🎵"Five thousand years in just sixteen seems pretty far. What with her chest, and blood, and age. I had thought you knew what the fuck to do. If I told my friends they'd just make fun of you. And I'd just laugh along because...I know damn well I'm not including your character in my campaign. Delilah, I can promise you. That, by the time we get through. My world will always, always be the same. And you're to blame" 🎵
"The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead" is a brilliant way to describe that kind of person and why trying to convince them of anything isn't worth the effort.
Yup there's a way to do the whole "I'm actually an adult who happens to look like a child" thing, it's just not worth doing and a story with that involved isn't something that desperately needs to be told.
I made a vampire that was turned when she was only 12 because without it, she would die. She became an astrologer for 400 years learning under a very kind scholar who helped her with her vampire hunger problems. While she was forever 12, she was really mature and kind and the party was fine with it. It actually helped us in a few situation with her being young looking. Nothing gross happened, no pedo npcs or anything. Everyone loved her. She's now a wizard apprentice to a god of time
@@FinchesFables definitely a zoomer. Too highschool fanfictiony to be a boomer and using millenial as if it holds the same weight as boomer is so zoomer of her.
"Cute magical girls" is a category of anime. Speaking as a Weeb (a HORROR Weeb), you were dealing with the dreaded "cutesy harem set in a magic school" variety.... Sorry about that...
@@falxblade1352 sorry to confuse you..I was referring to also wanting permission to use the :"wheel is turning but the hamster is dead" comment in my daily life. Also, I was clarifying for OP what KIND of "cute magical girls" Mary Sue was likely referring to...Sorry if any wires got crossed and I've accidentally responded to the wrong person. No offense intended or taken...we good?
The fact that the first DM felt AITA is just sad, Delilah was clearly in the wrong. No shame to the OP, just they shouldn't feel bad when saying no to that type of person
@@ubersneak The DM was timid yes, but Delilah was extremely toxic and uncompromising. Even if he had tried to strike a middle ground I think it's clear it would've only escalated the situation. Booting Delilah was the right choice for him and for his players.
@@JonEngstrom2001 She was an NPC for crying out loud, how much damage could she have done? If I had been a player at their table and found out they did that I'd be like "lighten up, give her a chance."
"Typical Millennial...always wanting to be in your safe space." Oh, so Delilah is possibly a CREEPY OLD PERSON at least 42 years old (I'm guessing quite a bit older) wanting to force a frisky 16yo-looking girl into OP's game. That implication, if true...yikes.
@@Your_Native_Mothman It used to be, but it's recently become something the newer generation says as well; millenials are getting the stick from both sides now and are the source of everyone's problems.
I'm a Millennial and I throw the word "Snowflake" around pretty liberally (I'm strictly non political and refer to many people on all sides of the political spectrum as being pedantic, vicious and oversensitive) and I'll tell ya right now DELILAH was the snowflake and possibly a lesbian pedophile. I'm pansexual and really open minded but gawt DAYUMM that's a mite bit way too far into Pedo Town for me.
just do as one of my dms did when he found out some guy wanted to play an underage character and borderline sexualize it. call that player a pedo and kick him out.
I would expect "creepy" is supposed to be about impression rather than law. And a 5000-year-old looking as a 16-year-old doesn't seem to be creepy either psychologically (because psychologically, 5000-years-old is clearly old enough) or physically (because a 16-year-old female body is essentially an adult body, which is partly reflected by there existing consent laws of the kind I mentioned before) to me. The creepiness only arises if you associate the inapplicable psychological argument (countries that don't approve of sex with 16-year-old disapprove of it because those people are taken to be _psychologically_ immature, which such eternally-young characters aren't) with the _label_ of "looking sixteen" (because the actual _look_ of "looking sixteen" is barely distinguishable from "looking eighteen").
Hey there Delilah, what's it like inside your bubble where your OC's the only one and she will never get in trouble as you do Because you want to make the world Bow down to you Hey there Delilah, don't you worry about the setting You're rewriting all the lore and more to make it just more fitting just for you A prima donna wannabe This is you Oh, why'd you come to me? (x4) Why'd you come to me? Hey there Delilah, you look pale as a white phantom And I hear you rage and whine, you're on a fully fledged bitch-tantrum as you do When I refused to screw the lore To play with you Hey there Delilah, look at you being all self righteous When you fail to get your way you sound like you've gone down with gastritis, yes you do Your fucking character can burn And so can you Oh, why'd you come to me? (x4) Why'd you come to me?
Sure sure you can address all your problems early. That's what I've always done when encountering a problem player. But then the problem is dealt with quickly and you aren't left with a great post to share with the D&D community about how everything went wrong.
The emissary just returned from the Council of Crabs. They agree with you and decreed that Crit Crab must do this voice more often or take a permanent -6 to all his future rolls.
Sorry, no. For the Warhammer campaign, either everyone gets to specialize, or nobody does. Using gender as a reason to specialize is cringe and unfair to everyone else.
that's what i was thinking, a chaplain has nothing complicated about it's role, and an inceptor is just a space marine with a jetpack, DM was being a big baby about it
@@raziel6304 the problem wasn't what the player in the second story wanted to play, it was that he wanted to have fun at the expense of everyone else and be a spotlight hog.
Exactly. Monk got to be a Sister of Battle because "I'm a girl" and upgraded to have self-healing (not in the lore of 40K). OP got to be a CAPTAIN of an ENTIRE COMPANY. That, I think, would have been the most OP character. I can see denying the Librarian for not wanting to deal with spells and junk, but a Chaplain? It's basically a guy with a mace that goes smashy smashy preachy preachy. Literally nothing special.
dont be sexist she was a woman you men always want to oppress women let her be herself and yes that means she must havve a hetter character than you men justtlike she is a better person than any men because men are sexiist
Pretty sure the first story was a boss fight. First she lures him in with lies and deceit, then she casts blindness on him (the awful text formatting), and she stands her ground when he begins to fight her. And just as the heroic DM is about to deal a killing blow, she releases a paralyzing shriek that stuns him and she is able to escape. She may have lost the battle, but the beast was allowed to escape and torment other DMs elsewhere.
Who wouldn't want Delilah in their campaign? Perfectly written, Well balanced, so lore friendly, and if you don't have a 5,000 year old 16 year old in your campaign then what kind of DM are you, really? It also makes so much sense to put a literal god right before your weaker BBEG character. I mean talk about the perfect challenge for the party, right? If you don't go out and find this character and add them to your campaign then just hang up your DM screen, sell your books and stop playing. P.S. Try not to slip on the sarcasm dripping off this post. Maintenance has been informed and will try to clean it up soon.
@@YukoHoon 15 Maintenance workers quit! We have had to call in a specialist. But they are fully booked till the 18th of November.... 2037.Till then HR have issued us with a single wet floor sign and some yellow and black tape.
@@stoicshield I know, right! Of course being a 5000 year old 16 year old, totally fade to blackable, but of course fading to black would only rob the players of the totally acceptable NSFW roleplay, would have to be done in full and explicit detail, no matter what the players say, it's the only way to really get the point across. The players will thank you in the end.
Delilah’s character could still be kept with only a couple minor changes: 1. Change the definite to “she thinks she is…” 2. Change stats and abilities to depower them down to being a reasonable bandit encounter, maybe with a small cult behind her of people who she’s tricked?
i think it ultimatly was less an issue with the character and more an issue with the player.. When a player comes in that hard with a character, especially a npc, that's red flags.. Especially when she went off about wanting her characters boobs to be explained in detail to the rest of the party, that's a big nope for most people. and typically with those types of people you don't want to give them even an inch or they will try (and most of the time actually get it) to take a mile.
I feel like the funniest ways of dealing with these Mary Sue "Chosen One"/ "Child of Destiny" characters is simply the reply of "They certainly THINK that's the case!"
Honestly I'd have said no the second I saw that original text file. I'm sorry she did WHAT to it? Nope, nuh uh, that flag is literally bleeding. I'M OUT.
For the 2nd story, I get the feeling the DM targeting Bard. Translating the 40k story to DnD, this is what happened: One player is going to be a custom barbarian, and the DM gives them a custom regeneration ability. Gets approved. The DM's DMPC is a Battlemaster fighter. Obviously approved. Last player asks to be a wizard. DM shoots that down for being too complex. Then player asks to be a Paladin. DM shoots that down as well. Finally, player asks to be an Aarakocra rogue. DM boots him from the call and game. Also, sleep is a wonderful spell. I see no issue with a player choosing to rely on it heavily. Especially in this situation, where DM is new and is having a hard time managing the rules. They should be grateful that the bard is keeping things simple, rather than flexing their deep spell list. It seems like the DM doesn't want Bard to play complicated classes, but also gets annoyed when the bard's playstyle is too simple/repetitive. Obviously trying to demand 18 cha sounds scummy to me, but the 40k bit made it seem like DM favors the Monk player a lot. Does the Monk have a bunch of 18's or absurd gear that makes her always steal the show in combat? Also, it's not like the Bard wants the 18 cha so that he can be the ultimate badass. His strategy is literally to spam Sleep, a support spell. DM seems to get pissy about bard "wasting his turns" when the sleep spell fails. Does DM give the martial characters a hard time when they miss all their attacks? I bet not. Also, I think DM is using incorrect rules for the sleep spell. Of course, normally Charisma has no effect on sleep, but It kinda sounds like DM was having the bard do attack rolls for it. (and mentions how he wasn't even going to make it on a 10)
Totally agree. The main think that struck me was that DM complains about being overwhelmed by the role while still giving it a try. Yet he/she still insists on having their own DMPC for some reason while shitting on any idea Bard has o.O Bard seems like kind of a clueless asshole, but so does DM.
Especialy nit letting bard use a inceptor a basic suport space marine thats nit op for 40k thats a base line While monk plays a super nun and even havibg a sister of battle means their be fightibg chaos and fighting chaos a sister of battle is stronger than a inceptor
@@demonic_myst4503 their argument for Monk being a Sister of Battle was.... strange. So because she is female, she gets only two choices? Two strong classes? Anyone else find that strange?
I definitely feel like the bard was in the wrong on a lot of stuff and was being spiteful but it definitely also felt like the dm was being a bit too ambitious on the 40k thing before being more experienced and knowing the lore and workings more.
So trying to understand the 40K story, were they playing a 40K system or a 40K home brew of another one? I get OP might have been uneasy about understanding the rules, but it sounds like the equivalent of starting a campaign and telling everyone they can only be a fighter, a regular no magic fighter, except one person got to pick a slightly magical fighter, but Rogue couldn’t pick an eldritch knight or even an echo knight. Please correct me if I misunderstood the story, otherwise I think Rogue did have a reason to get annoyed.
I think you've got more or less the right idea about the second story. It sounded pretty much like the DM said 'no magic classes' and let a character take a feat or something to get one spell or some cantrips. I've had DMs do that before and I like playing casters. The sensible thing to do is realise that the game they want to run isn't for you and not try to force the issue. The issue with the player was less that they got annoyed about not being able to play the class they wanted and more that it was a consistent pattern of behaviour across several games. They wanted to be the strongest character in the party all the time and couldn't share narrative space with the others. They couldn't let the DMs rulings pass without arguing them. And when the group tried to discuss this with them they repeatedly said they'd change then didn't. That kind of thing can be incredibly aggravating when you're around it a lot.
Same. One thing I think the OP messed up on is saying something subjective like "simple". What's simple to me might be confusing to someone else, and vice versa. If he'd said "no psychic powered characters" or "martial characters only" I'd get it. And yeah, his other mistake was to let one player have (arguably) special treatment and play a super powered warrior nun via convoluted character background bullsh!t and a limp excuse about character gender. If he was actually against complex characters he could have required her to play a female guardsman or zealot.
Ok, the DM in the second story was big problem in his own right. He openly admits to not understanding several 40k concepts and hides behind his inexperience but then why is he running a 40k homebrew at all? First of all, D&D is not at all designed for that. Second, there are already 40k RPGs out there he could have used. Third, Monk gets to have a self heal but everyone else just has to be a basic melee marine? Also, in 40k Chaplains and lieutenants are roughly equivalent in stature so letting bard be a chaplain when rogue gets to be a lieutenant would not have been a big deal at all. It doesn't justify Bard's repeated belligerent attitude, but a lot of the issues in this 40k homebrew were fueled by the DM seeming to just want to force Bard to be something generic and not let him be on par with the other players.
Seconded. We all start somewhere, but I would never run a game where I'm unfamiliar with the world and even less so the mechanics of the system. Even if you're trying to homebrew it in dnd, how hard wouldnt it have been to take a couple wizard spells and turn them into psychic powers for a libarian? Or a couple clerics spells into litanies for a chaplain. Or just like you said - use one of the 40k ttrpg system. I don't know when the story happens, but Deathwatch, for example, is a system from 12 years ago where the players are space marines. Bard was a dick, but the DM seems like wasnt willing to do some lite prep to accomodate all of their players.
Why would he run a 40k homebrew? Probably just because he thought it could be fun. Also, it seems like he IS using a 40k roleplaying system just trying to take their characters from their DnD session and swap them over as best he can. That may be a misunderstanding on my part though. I don't know enough about 40k to be able to say anything about him saying yes/no to character choices. I do think it seems like he may have singled out Bard though seeing as how Monk often felt the need to interject and straight up mute the DM so she could talk to Bard. All in all, it just looks to be a friend group that got themselves in over their heads trying to play a fun roleplaying game together, and in the end they couldn't get over the friction it caused. Had something similar happen to me before, and it's really sad to see people you thought were good friends tear those friendships apart over something meant to be fun.
Agreed like havibg a hissy fit over a inceptor a fucking suport class of the prinaris the bloody sister of battle is more op takk h their abilitu against chaos and monk ignorant ignored imperial gaurd would kf been the actual logical answer for a none op character
Besides, the guy with the jump pack could've just been an assault regular ass space marine, with a chainsword and bolter. No need for them to be primaris.
Guy tried 3 times to pick an "acceptable" class, and was shot down all 3 times. I'm a new DM myself; if my players want to play as something a little different I research it and learn how it works instead of going: "That's too hard for my little brain."
If the DM says to roll up this kind of PC and you don't like it, discuss it with them and if they won't bow to your obvious superiority, leave and deprive them of your presence.
I'm sorry but that second story grinds my gears. Dude played a support class; bard puts stuff to sleep and DM loses his shit? He wasn't screwing everything....just sleeping them? Wanted to be a player with healing spells but DMs GF got to, yet somehow he was childish? I'm sorry the DM is playing favorites here. That first story...I can't really think of anything the comments havent said already. Get that girl therapy. Stat.
Second group, not just the bard, sounded like they were not quite ready for the ttrpg experience. There's a lot of details missing from that story, but half of it sounded like the bard felt like he was being blown off by a dm who didn't care enough to even try to accommodate him. The childish tantrums and poorly conceived intervention was doomed to happen, it sounds like.
The bard. The dm is at fault. Not the player. Its not your place to tell players how to play there character. And the fact that hes upset the bard (whos chr should probably be the highest stat) isnt playing the way the dm wants them to raises loads of red flags
Just let bard move his scores around at that point so charisma uses the higher number. He probably didn't realize charisma was as important as it was until he started playing. The DM sounds like an aggressive micromanager. And I don't know anything about 40K, but if my DM told me to pick a new class 3 times I'd be pretty annoyed too.
If I told the players to pick this kind of class and you purposely picked a class that didn't meet that description 3 times, I'd be pretty annoyed too.
Well, psykers are... Complicated, they have some basic powers, but at the same time it needs micromanaging from the DM's part, with the warp nullification of some races, like Tyranids, or immunity like t'au Chaplains are morale boosters, that's more understandable to choose, but interceptor is the one I knew there was a problem on OP's part too, as they're literally just Marines with jetpacks, and they are mostly melee focused, I just don't get why he wouldn't let him choose interceptor
When I made my character for my current campaign, I worked with my DM for a week leading up to session zero to come up with my character's back story, goals, ect... Specifically so that my character wouldn't end up being your typical "Anime protag" type. The result? My character is realistic to the setting, has a great backstory that the DM can pull story elements from and, aside from my poor RP skills (thanks social awkwardness... Ya really come in handy...), he fits perfectly into the campaign.
"Wanted me to describe the breast movement" that's already creepy on it's own... but not enough, let's make her a teen. One of my art students to another: "are you telling me this character isn't allowed to have curves? then how will people know that she is a girl?" For context, he was asking advice on drawing kids and the subject was, according to him, 8 years old.
I cannot comprehend the thought process behind that. If she was 14 it would have at least made sense, but 8? If you're going to butcher the human anatomy like that at least give her dragon wings or something cool. Never this.
@@CoffeeMaus the 14 thing isn't necessarily accurate. I was at a buffet once sitting at my table. I saw a girl standing in line to get food. I couldn't see her face because of the sneeze guard. All I could see was her chest. She had at least DDs. When i finally saw her face i felt like a dirty old man (was in my early 20s) because she couldn't have been more than 12. Can't say if she had curvy hips or anything because i immediately stopped looking when i saw her face. Some kids (girls and boys) develop earlier. I, for example. had to start shaving at 11 & could have easily had a full mustache when i was 12.
I accidentally started playing my character as a bit of a Mary Sue, I realised my mistake and promptly yote him into a pack of yetis. Now I'm playing Tom seguerra
As you should. I mean to be fair closest thing I was getting out of my OC's FROM NOT EVER GOING to DnD mind you, was the fact almost all of them were undocumented desertion breakers from "organizations trying to help for the good of the people" to deserters of terrible lords. Some are just downright criminals and others are just mercy killers.
Okay, but can we talk about the phrase "His charisma was ALREADY a 15." That's hella low for a charisma based class. I'm not saying the DM should have changed it, I'm just sayin' that's really low for a main stat.
If they rolled stats and that's the best he got, that's the best he got. If he went standard array, it sounds like it's on Bard for not picking a race option to bring that up to a 16 or 17. I'd suggest going with non-save spells, but then, it is the bard.... How many of those do they have?
@@kristb2604 I didn't say it was unplayable, but by definition it's low for a main stat. To imply that it's high by adding in "already" is false. I'm not saying the DM should have increased it, but 15 is not high.
It kinda depends upon the power level of the game really, in some cases yes, a 15 would be low for the main stat, but in a low powered game 15 would be a high one.
To be fair, OP (judgeing by his own description of it) explained it terribly to that guy why one player can play SoB and he can't be whatever - since that faith healing and powers of something like chaplain might have been very similar looking over them. Not good move on that-guy's side, yet still there is some blame on OP
Am I missing something..... sleep is automatic, as long as the HP of the creature are reached and they aren't immune to magical sleep. It seems like they were rolling saving throws. Which means the Bard had a reason to be pissed off.
First OP just made the mistake of agreeing to let someone integrate their character as an NPC in their campaign when they didn't want to at all. Delilah clearly read what they gave her if they knew about the two kings and that the melty murder one was sealed away for thousands of years. Unless that was something she added to justify sexualizing a minor. Second story... Idk man. I get the feeling that OP just wanted to be rid of Bard by the time the 40k stuff happened.
I don't know, the guy wanting to play a chaplain doesn't sound like he's the cringe here. Letting the female play what she wants and get healing abilities on top of that yet constantly telling the guy to pick something else and when he does you get mad and hang up the call is cringe dude
How does a chaplain work compared to a sister of battle? They pointed out there's only like 2 classes specifically for girls, battle and silence, and Sisters of Silence are the stronger ones. A self heal alone isn't much to keep track of. I don't know how this game works, hell I don't even know specifically what game it IS. Just Warhammer isn't very specific. But if we're talking the most basic classes, sister of battle sounds like they'd deal with weapons and they basically have a fighter's second win ability. That's, nothing really. That doesn't give the DM ANY work. You can basically just say that character has a bit of extra health. Psychic powers and THE ABILITY TO FLY and whatever the fuck else Bard wanted to be "special" in a game where the DM SPECIFICALLY asks you NOT to be special and to just be as basic as possible is being an ass. Like maybe he doesn't know what the fuck sister of battle is either, and he thinks she's got this super amazing class so he wants one too, but they EXPLAINED to him why she can play that class and how it's a simple class aside from ONE snazzy ability. Assuming she's the only girl in their group, it makes sense when they're being super simple she'd choose the class that literally has sister in it. Like if I was gonna play a game of DnD and the DM was new and asked us to make really simple characters, I would NOT use my changeling shadow sorcerer because WOW is that character the opposite of simple! I'd be like, an evocation wizard or maybe a life cleric. Cause the DM, who without there is NO GAME, specifically asked us to keep it simple. If he doesn't understand what the DM means by "simple" then he could ask for a list of acceptable classes that the DM feels confident he can run. If none of those classes appeal, he can just choose to bow out of this game and come back when the DM feels more secure in running it. You know, like how NOT a cunt would act.
@@haku8135 That's a lot of paragraphs pertaining to a game you have no knowledge about. That's how you know people are doing mental gymnastics to spin something one way when it's not meant to. Bottom line here, the dm told the guy to pick another class, ANY other class. Was VERY clear about ANY OTHER CLASS. The guy did and the dm rage quit. DM is cringe here.
@@genseven4616 Bard also could've just not been a shitter and picked a simple class like originally asked instead of fighting for his molehill victory, but sure, we'll say DM is cringe for giving up on someone who doesn't listen to basic requests because his wording in a post recalling an event in a story format has semantics. I don't like to be rude, so I apologize, but I genuinely can't understand where you're coming from with this.
@@BigManDaichi well the dm could have also not been a shitter and let him pick the class he wanted since he let the girl pick the class she wanted. The guy also did as the DM asked and picked ANY other class. VERY CLEAR ON ANY OTHER CLASS and the dm raged. DM is cringe here.
Just remember, if anyone plays a character that looks underage, you can always have relations with those below 18 punishable by death and have none of the NPCs believe them about their "totally 5000 years old" age because that's the sort of bad excuse a dumb rebellious teen would make up to get away with tempting older men. "Oh, you're 5000 years old. Okay, prove it. Show me documents proving your age or run home to daddy, who must be very disappointed in your life choices."
even though the whole underage thing is relatively new. In history it was common for people to be considered adults when they were 15 and marriage material at 12 (eww). Its only in modern times where people think that's wrong.
@@Necrowolf81not really, even during Shakespeare's time a 14 year old was still considered a child, the whole '12 is marriage material' is more for erranged marriages between children of the upper-class, not actual 'marriage and sex' Hell, 2000 years ago we knew pedophiles were messed up people
Idk how to feel about bard's antics. Like yeah, I'd also be mad if I was trying to play a bard and got stuck with only a 15 in charisma, that's unplayable even at a roleplay-heavy table, but how did that happen?? Even with point buy or standard array, sure, the highest it gives is a 15, but then you put a racial bonus on it, so he should've been able to start with a 16 or 17, which would be pretty average and okay at low levels. Either he's stupid, or the DM was an asshole and didn't let him reassign his bonus to the relevant stat. Obviously bard is completely unreasonable about HOW he's trying to get his stats balanced, but I do wonder if maybe the DM isn't telling the whole story here.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, have you never even WATCHED DnD? At low levels, a 15 in charisma is, JUST fine. Like 17 is functionally identical to 16, so even mentioning it is redundant, but 16 isn't the BARE MINIMUM for a Bard. Bards at low levels, CAN HAVE LOW STATS. If you CANNOT play a bard with less than 16 charisma at level ONE, then your DM is dogshit at balancing his games, bring it up to him and help him fix it. What does the rogue who has 15 dex just fail EVERY dex check they make? What fantasy world are YOU living in where less than 16 just makes a build UNPLAYABLE? Even at a roleplay HEAVY table? What the ACTUAL fuck is wrong with your games? Anyway, moving on, he said the BIGGEST problem with Bard's.... well bard, is that ALL he'd do is put the enemies to sleep. The Sleep spell IS NOT EFFECTED BY ANY OF YOUR STATS. You roll dice to determine HP the spell effects. There's no attack rolls, there are no saving throws. Even if he was only casting charm person adding ONE to the save DC will not suddenly make him the best bard ever. An unlucky roll is an unlucky roll, having a plus 2 or a plus 3 to your FOUR isn't going to swing things massively in your direction. If every DC your DM sets just so happens to be ONE higher than every fucking roll your Bard makes, then I hate to break it to you, but your DM just hates you.
@@haku8135 I've been playing for like 5, maybe 6 years now? I like playing characters who are good at their thing for their class/ character concept. Bards need high charisma especially at roleplay-heavy tables because persuasion, deception, and performance are very important stats for them. If I'm playing a bard, I should have the highest charisma at the table (unless someone else is also a charisma caster). I've had the experience of having lower stats compared to the others at the table, and it sucks. Even if I'm making all the checks I really need to, not feeling like I'm good at the things my character is supposed to be good at kinda ruins the fantasy. Yeah, I know Sleep doesn't depend on your spellcasting ability modifier. Maybe that's why it was the only spell he wanted to use. Don't talk down to people when you don't know what their level of expertise is. I've been playing and DMing for years. I've seen people play low stat or poorly balanced characters and have fun, but I've also seen people get frustrated in that situation and been frustrated myself. That's why I can empathize with his frustration even if I don't condone his actions. Now, idk why you got so heated over trying to disprove my opinion on how I and others I know prefer to play, but whatever your reason is, cool off a little
@@lanfae9353 "I like playing characters who are good at their thing for their class/ character concept" So long as you don't use Charisma as your dump stat, and your DM isn't a twat, 15 is a great stat to start out with. Sure higher would be BETTER, it'd be BETTER to start with fucking 20, but that's not necessary to be playable. "Bards need high charisma especially at roleplay-heavy tables because persuasion, deception, and performance are very important stats for them" Ok i'm going to roll up a super quick and basic level 1 bard. One moment. Alright so I made my race Hill Dwarf to avoid ANY relevant bonuses. I made my Charisma 15, and my other stats are all lower than that. 10 HP, and my deception, persuasion and performance all have a plus FOUR, everything else is dogshit. At level ONE where the average for a DC should be 10, that means you're very unlikely to fail a check so long as you roll at least a SIX. So that's a pretty fucking high chance you won't fail. My spell save DC is a 12 which again for LEVEL ONE is pretty good. As soon as I hit level 4 I can boost my charisma up and I can even take a feat to boost it and get a second bonus as well. For the very start of the game though, this character is just fine. Unless your DM is shit of course, then nothing can save you. "If I'm playing a bard, I should have the highest charisma at the table (unless someone else is also a charisma caster)" Do you think 15 is a dump stat? That EVERYONE rolls fucking 16s and 15s and 17 and 18 for at least one stat? Bullshit, that's called being a cheater. It's very likely you'll be getting a 9 and a few 11s and shit like that. 15 and up is exciting because you can put it into your most used stat, while you think about where to use your other numbers based on how your character should be built. OBVIOUSLY you'll have the highest CHARISMA unless someone else uses fucking charisma. Why would the fucking wizard put THEIR best roll into Charisma? More often than not they'll make that a dump stat actually. Regardless, even if the barbarian put that 17 they rolled into charisma and their strength is like 13 that doesn't mean shit for YOU it just means THEY'LL be worse at swinging their great axe. They also won't have MAGIC to bolster their interactions like you will. "I've had the experience of having lower stats compared to the others at the table, and it sucks." Define "having lower stats" cause it sounds like you're being a major drama queen if you don't. "Even if I'm making all the checks I really need to, not feeling like I'm good at the things my character is supposed to be good at kinda ruins the fantasy."..... see? Now you're sounding like a MAJOR drama queen. "Oh boo hoo, I'm MAKING my charisma checks, but I'm not rolling 10 over the DC every tiiiiiime. Buff meeeeeeeeeee." No, I'm not going to buff you, because you're doing FINE. What's a plus ONE to your rolls going to fucking accomplish this early in the game? If you're missing checks by ONE all the time, it's not your character, your DM just hates you. "Don't talk down to people when you don't know what their level of expertise is" Doesn't matter how experienced a geologist you are if you open up by saying the earth's flat. "I've been playing and DMing for years" Based on our interaction so far, it sounds like you're bad at both. "I've seen people play low stat or poorly balanced characters and have fun, but I've also seen people get frustrated in that situation and been frustrated myself." FIFTEEN IS NOT A LOW FUCKING STAT FOR EARLY GAME! OH MY GODS, YOU ABSOLUTE BABY! "Now, idk why you got so heated over trying to disprove my opinion on how I and others I know prefer to play, but whatever your reason is, cool off a little" Because you're coming into a video about DnD where a player becomes a massive detriment to his team and keeps pestering the DM to buff his stats when his stats are FINE and your defense is LOW stats are hard to play....... HIS STATS! AREN'T! LOW! You are spreading NONSENSE based on your BAD dming and player experiences. I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but I don't want people spreading nonsense in DnD like any stat below 16 is basically worthless and once you cross the magical border of 16 suddenly all your skills are amazing cause now they have the PROPER amount of bonus points. That brings your average 6 to succeed to a FIVE to succeed. Whoopie, you are sooooo powerful. I'm genuinely terrified to see what kind of creatures you have your level 1 parties go up against. Fucking MIND FLAYERS?
@@haku8135 I'm late I will preface that. I also have been on a Pathfinder kick, and I will preface that THAT probably skews my perception of things with 5e (as it is a system where rolling a 30 can put you at a high chance of critically failing and eating some serious damage).
@@haku8135 but in pf2e, creature levels are balanced roughly by character power, assuming your character's main Stat is at 18(+4). When you're fighting on level, having instead a 16(+3) really isn't a significant detriment. Since level is the same, you aren't much weaker. However facing a party level +3 or +4 opponent can be downright TERRIFYING, even with an ability mod of +4, since they have a massive advantage in rolling over you. At a base 16(+3), if you aren't at least level 5 to raise that stat, you are in serious trouble.
Trying to make Delilah a more fitting character: 1. BBEG's daughter cant be because of BBEG personality, and love interest with the king isn't likely either. Make the new role someone that's enamored by the BB, and has this unconditional love and loyalty for a man "so great she can never be with" 2. instead of a completely overpowered character, make her a promising strong magic caster with spells that conveys power rather then simply squashing the party. give her a power complex, but leave her wide open against some common anti caster tactics (such like casting a silence spell on top of her then grappling her) It could be power level of a deadly encounter, but by her being so young and unexperienced in combat she offers the party an easy way out. Having her played a bit foolish might even allow her to be slightly overpowered.
im confused...he gave like 3 different options of characters...are they all too complicated? ive never played a 40k ttrpg but still...i dont know maybe im an asshole too but i feel like monk over reacted.
I feel for OP of the first story, I've dealt with allot of the cringy Naruto roleplayers when i first got into rping, and man those (and not all) people were a different breed of crazy
Didn't actually see how that had ANYTHING to do with Naruto specifically. Like weeb cringe, fine, but you know Naruto is AN anime, right? It's not like, a genre or anything. It's the particular one with the blonde guy in an orange jacket. Her name wasn't even Japanese, so even the Weeb part is contested. Sounded like edgelord cringe, not so much weeb cringe and definitely not Naruto. Naruto doesn't even have magical girls in it.
Ok I'll give the first story this much: the idea of a PC being the child of the BBEG and maybe becoming a suprise boss fight later in the campaign, in the right context that can really work. That being said... Everything and I mean... EVERYTHING ELSE is a deal breaker! Especially the graphic physical details of an underage character. And when the DM is being as paitent as expected, and trying to get you to understand why it's not going to happen you absolutely don't have a tantrum and call them a bigot or try the "Damn millenials" stuff. Massive red flags and I'm glad that individual had to leave! As for the tale of the toxic bard that just... It sucks all around, I agree with crab. In that situation it sucks to lose a friend but at the same time you don't need people like that as your friends because it's all about them and not about the people around them and that's not how a true friend works. I hope that group found a good replacement down the line and are having fun playing dnd.
I agree, that type of character can actually work but it has to be done right and make sense with the BBEGs backstory. The one described by that OP, it clearly wouldn't have made sense but if your BBEG is say a powerful wizard that turned to what he did because he lost his family and then he doesn't know one of his children survived then it may work Don't judge the 30 second backstory, I literally just made it up while typing this comment XD
@@safsren Honestly I like it, heck it'd be cool as a twist if the PC is an unknowing sleeper agent that the BBEG "activates" by saying a specific word or using a specific spell to trigger it. Ultimately it depends on the context and if you have been building up to something like that in the first place. Also being op right away is highly ridiculous you need to level up WITH the party not automatically be better than them otherwise there's no point in the party existing at all. I'm doing a twist villain in my current campaign as well but I'm putting in hints as to who it is and the reveal is meant to be a blow to the party. I don't automatically have a Mary Sue that's a huge huge HUGE red flag.
I was with you until you started talking about player mental health? If an rpg can hurt your mental health, you should be in therapy, not at a table. Sorry, but not really.
Sounds pretty straightforward. From what I understand the DM said "I'm new to this game (they ALL are) so can you just pick really simple classes?" and then this guy does the equivalent of going "Can I be a mystic?" which is a VERY complicated class, because another player got to be a FIGHTER. Then he's like "Ok ok fine. How about I can fly?" NOPE! FUUUUUUCK YOU. I say simple and you work your way down to FLYING? That's super broken! If you don't know what your DM means by simple, ask for a list of classes they're confident in running. If you don't want to play any of those classes, don't play in this game. Especially since it was a ONE SHOT. Like OHHHH my god I get it if it's like a full campaign, but a ONE SHOT? Shit, if I get to hang out with some friends and play DnD if it's as a ONE SHOT I'll accept literally everyone being FIGHTERS. Not even like eldritch knights and arcane archers and psi warriors, I'm talking BATTLE MASTER FIGHTERS ALL AROUND! For a full campaign, that's NOT acceptable, but for a fun one shot to help the players AND the DM get used to how the game works? Yeah, that sounds like fun. And that's the MOST restrictive, this guy is being CONSIDERABLY more generous.
@@insertedgynamehere THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING A ONE SHOT! He wants to gain experience, but he doesn't want to burn himself out tracking 30 different things in his FIRST FUCKING GAME. It's also THEIR first fucking game. Learning an RPG like this is a step by step process, and that guy was trying to skip to step 10.
@@haku8135 it's a damned chaplain. It cannot be that hard to make work. The only sticking point is that like two gene lines have special chaplains. That's it.
I can sympathize with both the DM and the Player is story #2. DM felt like they couldn’t handle too many in-game variables. There are lots of rules to remember and sometimes simplifying the game makes it a little easier to learn and run. Player wanted to play a character that they actually wanted to play, not just sit at a table and be told what to play. They wanted their character to feel personal. Now all of their friends are ganging up on them for it. Rather than arguing about how difficult it would be, they should have had a Session 0. The DM could get practice running the game and they could work with the player to see how well their chosen character works out. If it’s still difficult to run, then either the player makes a new character or leaves the group.
bard was right yho she could of been an imperial gaurd they treated bard unfairly had a hissy fit when he chose a basic space narine with a jump pack but bard git to play a super nun and ignore that the imperial gaurd is the only none op group
@@demonic_myst4503 Just remember that everybody in that group was 1) clearly young (they seem to all be approx highschool, college age) and 2) DnD virgins. It's not difficult to work with the DM and go off of what they understand FIRST, before diving into concepts they don't really get. It's not even really about whether they were right about the classes, but whether the DM even knew how they worked.
@@freyjablue. he didnt know how sisters of battle worked at all neiter did monk they described it wrong didnt use weapons that class would use or any their abilities then argued against a basic space marine a inceptor is just a space marine wkth a jump pack nothing special 40k isnt the same in how it works and they hombrewing it if he stoped for two secondws they could of made it work
@@freyjablue. she even more wrong than op and she seemed to have some research monk either lied or stoped after seing she waned that class females can be imperial gaurd vindicator assassins or eversor assassins all three are more reasonable than sisters of silence which u woluld never play in this situation and sisters of battle which are also not really right to play for what he sdtated his goals are
Yeah, no. It was a bit of a stretch for most of the time, and then came the "hurr durr I am an evulz right winger and I hate those millennials durrrrr!". As the saying goes: "Of all the things that didn't happen, this one didn't happen the most."
Just played my first ever game of DND today and I’ve gotta say even though I joined mid story with no idea what was going on I still had an absolute blast. My favorite part was when me as a Goliath fighter ran into a dark room basically blind, but I did have guidance from a ranger elf who had night vision. After I collided with a dwarf in a chair I proceeded to completely miss 2 swings which went right over the head of the dwarf both times. After my turn one of my companions stabbed the dwarf killing him instantly. My fighter then turned and swung twice at a mimic and missed both times. Immediately after my turn the elf shouts “swing down ya idiot”. Once it was my turn again I finally swung down and cleved the mimic right in two. My fighter stood there 7ft tall and flexing even though it was pitch black in the room.
Don't offer to run a 40k game if yoy can't handle a simple class like "The guys with jump packs." They're literally extremely common in the lore...🤷🏻♂️
I have already lost all hope for humanity that is why you must abandon human and evolve to crab because everything is already lost EDIT: I was right there is no hope
If you want to have a Mary-Sue OC that absolutely perfect and lovely and being the king of cringe then go for that if it makes you happy but trying to shove that character into a story that’s not yours and exspecting to suddenly become the main character and almost force people to get involved with your weird fetishes so you can watch it play out in real life...like no...like god no
I feel for the MC story. I had a group like that once. Great DM and great guys, but 3 of the 5 lived together and it became a bit of a problem that one of the three would be party leader or their actions would seem to be the only actions that influenced the world. Luckily it got brought up by a guest player in a respectful way and the DM started adding personal side-quests where each player got to feel special and influential in the world.
I get they are fresh to RPGs and everything, but if you want to run a game in a setting, maybe, just maybe, at least try to figure out beforehand what your players can be. Don't say pick something simple, give them a list of options. And WTF, the Chaplain is a normal Space Marine sergeant with a perk for preaching, worst case cenario he has a power to buff the party. But hey, Monk gets to play Wolverine, Bard must play an Imperial Guard AND must say so himself. Also I totally disagree on point c). Yes, your character can be the very best in his field, mabe not from the start, but I'm at the table to play a hero, not a middle aged clerk. EDIT: aaaaand after the TL;DR; OP is definitely to blame: he is basically doing the very same thing he accuses Bard of. How comes that he as DM can't be bothered to mediate things? Give him his f*cking 18 in CHA, it will make no difference a t all, he only uses one spell that doesn't care about CHA. And agian, you want to run a new campaign, but you can't be bothered to learn the settings role and the system you will be using? Yo're not a fresh DM, you are an embarassment
Been watching for the last few months and definitely feel like I have burned through so much, as someone who is still trying to get into D&D hearing the red flag things is just nice to know what to look out for. Definitely a full send kind of person so I am not deterred from wanting to find a group, but I like knowing the warning signs, so thanks Crab's for making these possible!
I don't actually mind Mary Sues that much, I think its part of growing up to create an OC who is super powerful and super cool and everybody loves, its normal to have power fantasies, but I do think trying to impose it on other people is an awful thing to do... Like, even writing fanfic is way better than putting them in an RPG, because people can choose not to read a fanfic, but at a table, forcing it on other people is pretty shit... Kudos to the first DM for not letting that happen...
Even as a conisiuer of all things magical girls and cutesy stuff hearing this person talk just hurts. You can still make a cute character and have them be of age or even be a boy. Kinda hate this weird unspoken rule in the anime community that you lose your charm as a woman past the age of 18.
It's a lot of people who don't know the history of Moe. It got started by a lot of of age Japanese woman who got together and thought "society tells us we can't be cutsey after a certain age but we want to be!" And that started a big fashion movement. A lot of people in the west don't know that though makes me really sad.
@@jaycraw6978 more than that. A lot of people here in the west don't care about the what the Japanase culture actually is. Instead just wanting the weird anime things that jump the ocean. Those people instead of considering why something was done just assume they have western culture. Then try to justify their bad takes with their made up idea of what is correct.
@@eminempreg actually almost the exact same!!!!! The book by Vladimir Nabokov really messed up the current idea of the fashion movement in the west. It's gotten a bit better in the cosplay community though, especially where I live. One of my friends is a big leader in the East coast group
You can still make a cute character and have them be under age. I made an Astral Self Monk character and she's a 10 year old girl. She has an interesting backstory and personality, and her monk subclass actually works with her diminutive size and strength to explain how she can punch things to death. She summons astral arms to fight, so it doesn't matter how weak her actual arms are. Even with that in mind, cause it's more fun, instead of just ending it at "Oh her astral arms punch really hard" I decided even her astral arms don't hit THAT hard, but they CAN move very fast. So each 1 point of damage I translate as a single punch, so if she deals like 14 damage she belts out 14 separate punches in like a second. Fun and unique, with just the right amount of anime. She's normally the more stoic, serious type, but she also has a more girly side that's super cute. This character isn't creepy at all, cause she's also NOT A MASSIVE SLUT! You know cause she's TEN. No, my massive slut is the busty earth genasi bard........ I swear it's just a coincidence that she's a bard.
8:14 it's so refreshing to see someone who reads reddit posts and openly curses, i kid you not i haven't been able to find a single channel that doesn't bleep it out or say something else instead. This is great!
Do you actually know how a sister of battle WORKS or do you just think the name sounds cool? I have no idea what that class is, but it sounds like, a fighter from DnD. Like they've got a self heal, they're "of battle" so I assume they're primarily brawlers. Sounds like a basic ass fighter. Meanwhile he's like "I want crazy psychic powers" then he's like "Ok I want a JET PACK THEN" If you don't think a jet pack is that complicated, the ability to FLY can BREAK a game unless you're REALLY attentive. New DMs REALLY struggle with flying characters unless they just, turn flying off in every area that's important. Which of course just means the players are having less fun. A character that can fly out of the gate is SUPER overpowered. In DnD there's a race called Aarakocra, they're bird people and of course, they can fly. They're considered a SUPER powerful race, EXCLUSIVELY because they can fly at level 1. That's it, their other abilities DON'T MATTER cause they can fly. They can't fly in heavy armor, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY CAN FLY. DMs should NEVER allow their players to make characters that can fly right off the bat unless they KNOW they're creative and hard working enough to compensate for it. This goes for even EXPERIENCED DMs, NEW DMs should just NEVER allow it for any reason. Players can learn the fly spell at level 5, they can FUCK OFF until then with flying and breaking the world. Either way, he should either have asked for a list of classes he feels comfortable running, or just dipped out of that game and asked to be called back when he felt more comfortable running more complex classes, because those are the ones most fun for him. That would've been FINE. Or how about this? HE should've asked if he could be a sister of battle too! He could even make a cool backstory in tandem with the other sister of battle. Now he gets the heal ability, which seriously just sounds like second wind, it's NOT that big a thing, and he also gets roleplay potential with another player. Like NOTHING about that post implied every character HAD to pick a different class. Actually by the sound of it he'd PREFER to have duplicate classes, cause that's one less class he needs to keep track of!
@@insertedgynamehere He's a NEW DM. Do you know what that means? It means he's taking the effort to learn a very complex system FULL of potentially hundreds of variables, and that's just classes. Becoming a dungeon master is a HUGE undertaking. It's REALLY hard and requires an IMMENSE amount of work and time investment. If you've got a new DM and he's telling you he's not very comfortable with the more complicated classes, DON'T PICK ONE OF THEM! Give him time to acclimate himself. The players aren't the only ones playing, the DM is a player too, and their fun is also important. VERY fucking important, because they're running the damn game.
@@haku8135 chaplains aren't any more complex than sisters of battle. It's blatant favouritism, letting one person have their special class, but not another.
The only criticism I have for the WH40K DM would be not giving the guy some options that he COULD have taken. Giving him a narrowed selection to choose from the ones the DM was familiar with probably would have solved the issue a lot sooner and with much less of a headache / an abruptly ended call.
Bard is clearly an asshole, but as someone who doesn't know anything about Warhammer, I don't really understand that part of the anecdote. To me, mostly a DnD player, it sounded like, "why are you letting him play a cleric, but I can't play a wizard." I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but that would sit weird with me, too.
Yeah. I've had that come up once or twice with DMs and I do find it weird. As a DM I don't really see the appeal of limiting players like that and as a player... I like casters. But the sensible response is always 'ok that game's not for me'.
It may be not worded quite right, but demi can fit, as you need a strong emotional bond to start feeling sexual attraction. Which you don't usually get unless you get to know someone. Granted, nothing was said about sexual attraction for that character, but does it need to be?
The first time I met my DM he told me "everything is on the table, except mentally controlling other players or NPCs, no distinction". I thought he was being over dramatic, "It's a world of fantasy and adventure" my innocent and positive mind thought. After finding this channel, I now see what he means. And just to be clear, he is a super cool DM and doesn't force a fetish to the story.
In my games, whenever someone misspells "rogue" as "rouge", the character they are currently playing gets a permanent stacking -1 penalty to their stealth skill checks i call it the "bright red is not good for your camouflage" penalty this story hurt to read
At least inceptors are extremely simple compared to chaplains or librarians. They just... Happen to have some of the best armor ever developed, and dual wield guns that individually can shred a whole company of guardsmen into powder, or melt a whole Rhino transport into goo.
Delilah (the character) really feels like the player took one look at Serana from Skyrim and Delilah Briarwood from Critical Role and said, "Fuck it, that'll work," before mushing them together on her character sheet.
CritCrab. Let me start by saying I enjoy your videos, narrations and commentary of these stories. I have only one real issue and it's more of a pet peeve than an issue. The word scimitar has 3 syllables not 2. (si-muh-tr) not (smiter). Many years ago when the first Diablo came out I had a friend who pronounced sabre as (sa-rah-bay) and since then it's bothered me to hear words mispronounced that much. Especially when the mispronunciation has fewer or morw syllables than the word is supposed to have. Sorry I don't intend to insult you and it's more my issue than yours and we all should strive to improove ourselves.
I want to make my own spin on the infamous dragon-loli character. One who is 1000+ years old, looks like a kid, and BEHAVES like a sweet old grandma. One who has tea parties with stuffed animals, that have actually become sentient by existing for so long (japanese yokai), and they talk about gardening, and their grandkids. Sometimes, she has exposition to share with the characters, presented as a shaggy-old-dog-story, supplying plenty of tea & crumpets the whole time through.
Id change the literal stuffed animals(feels a bit too childlike) for her comunicating with other old as fuck characters (maybe she uses stuffed animals as stand ins) but otherwise its a really good idea.
I’m gonna be honest, a chaplain would be pretty easy. Just let him use SoB abilities from what I assume the homebrew he drew up for the sister. He gets his self heal, he still ends up using a bolter and melee weapon (crozius). He just wanted a cool character concept so he could feel special, I’m sure there’s more context but that request alone wasn’t unreasonable.
I made a custom lineage character about a year ago, based around a Kamen Rider-theme, (human can turn into an insectoid monster), and asked it be included in a game as an NPC the party could meet in a on-off encounter.I had him named Kor- Ar or "Black" since he'd forgotten his original name and was given a new one by some elves. Pretty average stats for a level... 2 I think he was, neutral good and with a nomadic background. He was a little monotone (-1 Charisma), but kind and wanted to forge bonds with people. He loved meeting people and bonding over things. The party met up with him and at that point in the quest, the party were pretty close to the end. He asked them an interesting question. " What happens after you defeat this... enemy of yours? Do you all go your separate ways, forgetting the bonds you've made as friends? Or do you continue as one group until the next adventure comes around? " I like to think I tried to steer away from the "maximum Edgelord Chemical Romance" we get a lot of. Calm, quiet type, but means well and tries to be helpful. Not some demi-god, but useful when dealing with monsters.
one problem with this. 16 is in no way underage in the 1400s. as a matter of fact, that's the age of consent in most of the united states. (29 out of 50 states) also in britain. and it's either 16 or lower in most asian countries. i don't see any problem with sexualizing a character that is of age both in universe and out. i personally wouldn't go for anything under 18, but that doesn't change the fact that 16 is perfectly acceptable.
I think the first story can be boiled down to the millennial and safe space comments. How old was delilah? I'd be safe to assume she isn't a millennial, since she used the insult "typical millennial". So is she gen Z, or... too old? A 30 something wanting a 16 year old lolibaba screams that something is wrong.
The problem is, 30 something still fits in the millenial category...so it's more likely she was around 40. ( unless she, for some reason, doesn't consider herself a millenial)
Honestly, smells quite of "that happened" to me. Like it's a caricature of a bad player in the OP's eyes. I have my doubts on the veracity of this story.
@@Stungunwol I dunno, I used to work at a supermarket and bore witness to stuff stranger than that. Like the lady who complained about the in store lights being too bright to the point of harming her, a practically blind person who really shouldn’t be out by themselves because in order to see something properly they had to hold it so close that their face was practically touching it, and this half drunk dude that insisted on talking my ear off about how “brown people were trying to take over”. Compared to that, this Delilah person sounds practically pedestrian in terms of their actions and apparent life situation.
Been watching an old MirrorShades, and one player, you can tell, puts more effort into her "awkward character" and making anime references than she does actually paying attention and learning the rules. It's obnoxious. (Not to mention, her character is usually useless in any given situation- so far.) The DM (who is himself a cringy guy, in retrospect) is totally working with her. But, I feel that if this hadn't been a live streaming game, the DM and players wouldn't put up with it. They all laugh and move on ("Oh, your character is SO useless. How FUNNY!") In reality, I can feel the other players thinking, "Get your sh*t together. This is already a three-hour commitment." Also, the bad player's fanbase tells me that nobody can criticize her. Ever.
I think 2nd Post is at least at partly on OPs fault. I was a little confused as to whether they were modding 5e or The 40K RPG, but either way that's a lot of extra to take on when you're a new GM/player. Sounds like they should have kept it simple. Maybe just main book 5e until they get better handle of things
It always amazes me when there's players like the final story. My first dnd group had a player who wanted to minmax, and we were all first-timers so nobody complained. He started rules-lawyering and cutting off the DM before they had time to finish speaking, and basically dragged our party around without asking any of us for input. This only lasted one session before we all came together and called him out on it. He wasn't very good with picking up social cues or reading the room in general, but he at least TRIED to change. He was actually sorry, and promised to slow down and work WITH the party. He ended up being the smartest player, we honestly would have died several times if it weren't for his quick thinking. The dude was able to catch himself when he started to mess up and actively stepped down from the limelight to let other players get time to shine. He became a really good friend of mine, too. We've even collabed to make characters, since he's a numbers guy and I'm an artist. You're only an asshole if you refuse to change. Bard in the last story is absolutely an asshole, kudos to the friend group for sticking it out for so long, but it was definitely for the best that they killed that campaign and (hopefully) dropped that asshole as a friend.
Bard was right tho , op doesnt knkw shit about the 40k world A inceotor is a bsic space marine A sister of battle is a super nun cleric Nonk git a more op class
With the character concept story there is only one piece of it I could see working but only if you retool it. Her being the daughter of this BBEG God. It could only work if she was technically not his child and yet kind of is. Basically she is a child that was conceived and born by a cult that worships him and wanted to create a “child“ of his. They kind of did something similar and samurai jack, Aku, The big villain had a cult that worships him that he gave a piece of his power to to infuse on warrior women that were trained to specifically hunt down and kill Jack they were called the “daughters of Aku” and the funny thing is he completely forgot they existed. It actually takes him a good minute thinking about it before he remembers that there was ever a cult to begin with.
Honestly the first story strikes me as her not being creative enough in wanting to integrate her character because stats aside I could totally see that working. Unless the BBEG is immortal I could see the value of him having an heir to his throne and even if he is, creating a successor or second in command is valuable. With him obviously not interested in boning anyone, he could try to create one out of whatever magic system would permit him to make a person. Then making her both powerful and attractive(Obviously not underage, think more in the realm of early twenties), would be useful for persuasion and manipulation. Her eternal youth would follow naturally from her either being synthetic or created to stay beautiful to be useful longer. Her relationship to the regent would also make sense as an alliance with a character that lore wise would be this powerful is always useful but could clash with him obviously not loving her, and him maybe having someone else. Classic, protect the kingdom or stay true to your heart, sort of deal. All these elements are implementable. Delilah was just unwilling and uncreative.
🎵 "Hey there Delilah, what the hell is this NPC. She's 5000 years old, but you claim that she still looks sixteen, what the fuck?" 🎵
This deserves to be top comment. Beautiful.
I'm mad that I can't like this comment more than once.
🎵 “Are you insecure or what? Just what the fuck?”🎵
🎶 Oh, what'd you do to my NPC?
Oh, he'd never marry you.
Oh, what'd you do to my BBEG?
Oh, he'd never father you 🎶
🎵"Five thousand years in just sixteen seems pretty far. What with her chest, and blood, and age. I had thought you knew what the fuck to do. If I told my friends they'd just make fun of you. And I'd just laugh along because...I know damn well I'm not including your character in my campaign. Delilah, I can promise you. That, by the time we get through. My world will always, always be the same. And you're to blame" 🎵
*being dragged away by the FBI: "no...you don't understand...SHE'S TECHNICALLY 5000...."
HAH
“I swear officer I didn’t know she was 9 I thought she was 5000”
If its she young dont touch her then.
and how old are you sir?
@@13th_Ghostly_Grimm The reverse. I'm a toddler in the body of an antideluvian.
"The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead" is a brilliant way to describe that kind of person and why trying to convince them of anything isn't worth the effort.
The Wheel of Crime
It reminds me of “that rabbit hole is deep and all the rabbits are dead”
“Definitely creepy towards minors”
Great. It’s going to be one of those days
Yup there's a way to do the whole "I'm actually an adult who happens to look like a child" thing, it's just not worth doing and a story with that involved isn't something that desperately needs to be told.
@Vladimir Putin Yup.
Yeah it's going to be creepy.
*_" Lets do it bois. "_*
@@Nyghtking Yeah. It just adds an unneeded theme to the story that can legitimately ruin parts if not all of it.
@Vladimir Putin I didn't know Putin likes d&d. The more you know!
"The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead." This is gold and describes it perfectly.
I made a vampire that was turned when she was only 12 because without it, she would die. She became an astrologer for 400 years learning under a very kind scholar who helped her with her vampire hunger problems.
While she was forever 12, she was really mature and kind and the party was fine with it. It actually helped us in a few situation with her being young looking. Nothing gross happened, no pedo npcs or anything. Everyone loved her.
She's now a wizard apprentice to a god of time
That sounds awesome. I love that.
Yo that's cool-
Don't mind me stealing the ideas
The good ending
THIS
The intervention at the end probably would have gone better for the dude being confronted if his charisma had been higher.
He probably needed a higher Wisdom to understand what the hell was going on.
He probably could have found a *reasonable* way to raise his character's charisma if his actual charisma (or wisdom) had been higher.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake He didn't have Insight as a Proficiency
@@SomeOnlinePerson I would have given him an 18 charisma and had all the low CHA npcs (men &women) hitting on him.
@@randyranderson690 sic a mantisgirl on him, attempts to bite his head off after the fade to black.
Oh . . . my . . . gods . . . that character description was some Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way levels of crazy.
And if you have a problem with that then you're a bleeping prep! lol
fuk of prep1
Why do I hear whistling?
U prep.
What are you two doing you motherfuckers!?
DIdn't know CritCrab had the funds for a professional voice actor, surprised me when I heard beautiful Delilah's voice
That sounded straight out of a Monty Python skit lol
@@NanoMan737400 Are there any women here today?
That's the sponsorship money being put to good use
Okay... you had me going...
I heard Mickey Mouse.
When she made her millenial rant, maybe she should have looked in a mirror and added some cringe to that as she pretty much described herself.
Absolutely no self acknowledged
She's also a millennial if she's like, 40 or under.
@@FinchesFables definitely a zoomer. Too highschool fanfictiony to be a boomer and using millenial as if it holds the same weight as boomer is so zoomer of her.
@@leiderhosen7110 why do people use the word zoomer? It's technically Generation Z?
@@liamfaoisidheold I’m guessing because it sounds similar to “boomer” and starts with a “Z”.
'The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.'
Permission to use this phrase in my daily life sir crab sir?
Same!
"Cute magical girls" is a category of anime. Speaking as a Weeb (a HORROR Weeb), you were dealing with the dreaded "cutesy harem set in a magic school" variety.... Sorry about that...
@@daniellewillis2767 uh... what?
@@falxblade1352 sorry to confuse you..I was referring to also wanting permission to use the :"wheel is turning but the hamster is dead" comment in my daily life. Also, I was clarifying for OP what KIND of "cute magical girls" Mary Sue was likely referring to...Sorry if any wires got crossed and I've accidentally responded to the wrong person. No offense intended or taken...we good?
Crab didn’t make it up. You need no permission. Hell, I first read it in a joke book in like ‘01-‘02.
Brian gang, rise up and remember that being creepy towards minors is a huge red flag!
i am a proud member of brian gang
We love Brian gang
The fact that the first DM felt AITA is just sad, Delilah was clearly in the wrong. No shame to the OP, just they shouldn't feel bad when saying no to that type of person
Clearly she was not in the wrong. The DM was simply too much of a coward to put up a fight so he just booted her.
@@ubersneak please tell me you're joking
@@ubersneak The DM was timid yes, but Delilah was extremely toxic and uncompromising. Even if he had tried to strike a middle ground I think it's clear it would've only escalated the situation. Booting Delilah was the right choice for him and for his players.
@@ubersneak is that you Delilah?
@@JonEngstrom2001 She was an NPC for crying out loud, how much damage could she have done? If I had been a player at their table and found out they did that I'd be like "lighten up, give her a chance."
"Typical Millennial...always wanting to be in your safe space."
Oh, so Delilah is possibly a CREEPY OLD PERSON at least 42 years old (I'm guessing quite a bit older) wanting to force a frisky 16yo-looking girl into OP's game. That implication, if true...yikes.
No, she is a Zoomer.
@@LordThomasPassion idk it seems like the millennial complaining thing seems more like an older generation
@@Your_Native_Mothman It used to be, but it's recently become something the newer generation says as well; millenials are getting the stick from both sides now and are the source of everyone's problems.
It was clearly projection. Calling someone a bigot while being the most bigoted person in the room is a pretty good tell.
I'm a Millennial and I throw the word "Snowflake" around pretty liberally (I'm strictly non political and refer to many people on all sides of the political spectrum as being pedantic, vicious and oversensitive) and I'll tell ya right now
DELILAH was the snowflake and possibly a lesbian pedophile.
I'm pansexual and really open minded but gawt DAYUMM that's a mite bit way too far into Pedo Town for me.
She wanted a 23 year old HIT ON HER 16 YEAR OLD CHARACTER?? AND EXPLAIN HOW THE BREAST OF HER UNDERAGE LOOKING MARy SUE MOVE?!
C R E E P Y
Pretty sure she's the type of person would be very against an eighteen year old dating a 20 year old irl as well.
just do as one of my dms did when he found out some guy wanted to play an underage character and borderline sexualize it. call that player a pedo and kick him out.
I mean, 16-year-old is in consent age in a number of countries, and physical appearance in females is generally... adult by that time.
@@ДмитрийЗеленский-ж7х true but assuming it's America it's 18 over threre mostly
I would expect "creepy" is supposed to be about impression rather than law. And a 5000-year-old looking as a 16-year-old doesn't seem to be creepy either psychologically (because psychologically, 5000-years-old is clearly old enough) or physically (because a 16-year-old female body is essentially an adult body, which is partly reflected by there existing consent laws of the kind I mentioned before) to me. The creepiness only arises if you associate the inapplicable psychological argument (countries that don't approve of sex with 16-year-old disapprove of it because those people are taken to be _psychologically_ immature, which such eternally-young characters aren't) with the _label_ of "looking sixteen" (because the actual _look_ of "looking sixteen" is barely distinguishable from "looking eighteen").
Hey there Delilah, what's it like inside your bubble
where your OC's the only one and she will never get in trouble as you do
Because you want to make the world
Bow down to you
Hey there Delilah, don't you worry about the setting
You're rewriting all the lore and more to make it just more fitting just for you
A prima donna wannabe
This is you
Oh, why'd you come to me? (x4)
Why'd you come to me?
Hey there Delilah, you look pale as a white phantom
And I hear you rage and whine, you're on a fully fledged bitch-tantrum as you do
When I refused to screw the lore
To play with you
Hey there Delilah, look at you being all self righteous
When you fail to get your way you sound like you've gone down with gastritis, yes you do
Your fucking character can burn
And so can you
Oh, why'd you come to me? (x4)
Why'd you come to me?
Is this comment parodying a Beatles song? I don't know why, but I need to know what song it is.
Lmao nice parody
@@igorkopacynski8906 It's 'Hey There Delilah' by the Plain White Ts.
@@smartalec2001 Thanks for telling me the name of the song and reminding me of iCarly.
Someone should try singing this, it seems like it would sound good!
"This debate goes on for months." Don't drag this crap out! If there's a problem address it early so it can be fixed and the group can move on.
This is the hard, but often more mature option.
they didnt drag it out though, they said they kept addressing it and how what bard was doing, was selfish and narcissistic, but he just never got it
Sure sure you can address all your problems early. That's what I've always done when encountering a problem player. But then the problem is dealt with quickly and you aren't left with a great post to share with the D&D community about how everything went wrong.
Critcrab's "Delilah" voice needs to be used more often in stories. I cant get enough of it.
The emissary just returned from the Council of Crabs. They agree with you and decreed that Crit Crab must do this voice more often or take a permanent -6 to all his future rolls.
Sounds like Abridged Tea
No, please! It makes me cringe!
Sorry, no. For the Warhammer campaign, either everyone gets to specialize, or nobody does. Using gender as a reason to specialize is cringe and unfair to everyone else.
that's what i was thinking, a chaplain has nothing complicated about it's role, and an inceptor is just a space marine with a jetpack, DM was being a big baby about it
@@raziel6304 the problem wasn't what the player in the second story wanted to play, it was that he wanted to have fun at the expense of everyone else and be a spotlight hog.
Exactly. Monk got to be a Sister of Battle because "I'm a girl" and upgraded to have self-healing (not in the lore of 40K). OP got to be a CAPTAIN of an ENTIRE COMPANY. That, I think, would have been the most OP character. I can see denying the Librarian for not wanting to deal with spells and junk, but a Chaplain? It's basically a guy with a mace that goes smashy smashy preachy preachy. Literally nothing special.
@@Shotty_Gamerdoesn't the chaplain has a morale boost to the allies
dont be sexist she was a woman you men always want to oppress women let her be herself and yes that means she must havve a hetter character than you men justtlike she is a better person than any men because men are sexiist
Pretty sure the first story was a boss fight. First she lures him in with lies and deceit, then she casts blindness on him (the awful text formatting), and she stands her ground when he begins to fight her. And just as the heroic DM is about to deal a killing blow, she releases a paralyzing shriek that stuns him and she is able to escape.
She may have lost the battle, but the beast was allowed to escape and torment other DMs elsewhere.
Mary Sue, the DM torturer
Who wouldn't want Delilah in their campaign?
Perfectly written, Well balanced, so lore friendly, and if you don't have a 5,000 year old 16 year old in your campaign then what kind of DM are you, really? It also makes so much sense to put a literal god right before your weaker BBEG character. I mean talk about the perfect challenge for the party, right?
If you don't go out and find this character and add them to your campaign then just hang up your DM screen, sell your books and stop playing.
P.S.
Try not to slip on the sarcasm dripping off this post. Maintenance has been informed and will try to clean it up soon.
I don't think that floor's gonna be cleaned, mind you, the sarcasm was so acid it dug a hole on it.
@@YukoHoon 15 Maintenance workers quit! We have had to call in a specialist. But they are fully booked till the 18th of November.... 2037.Till then HR have issued us with a single wet floor sign and some yellow and black tape.
I mean, if she's 5000 y/o, of course she has to be max level with max stats. That's just plain common sense!!1!
@@stoicshield I know, right! Of course being a 5000 year old 16 year old, totally fade to blackable, but of course fading to black would only rob the players of the totally acceptable NSFW roleplay, would have to be done in full and explicit detail, no matter what the players say, it's the only way to really get the point across. The players will thank you in the end.
@@krampusklaws2238 Any idea on how we're gonna fix the goddamn hole until then? I was thinking a footbridge or a fence.
Delilah’s character could still be kept with only a couple minor changes:
1. Change the definite to “she thinks she is…”
2. Change stats and abilities to depower them down to being a reasonable bandit encounter, maybe with a small cult behind her of people who she’s tricked?
i think it ultimatly was less an issue with the character and more an issue with the player.. When a player comes in that hard with a character, especially a npc, that's red flags.. Especially when she went off about wanting her characters boobs to be explained in detail to the rest of the party, that's a big nope for most people. and typically with those types of people you don't want to give them even an inch or they will try (and most of the time actually get it) to take a mile.
I’m stealing that concept for my first game lol
I feel like the funniest ways of dealing with these Mary Sue "Chosen One"/ "Child of Destiny" characters is simply the reply of "They certainly THINK that's the case!"
I'm going to say as a living, breathing Delilah, we do not claim her 😂
That first story just made me so uncomfortable...I'm glad the DM put their foot down and said "NO."
Honestly I'd have said no the second I saw that original text file.
I'm sorry she did WHAT to it? Nope, nuh uh, that flag is literally bleeding. I'M OUT.
its nice to see people saying no, this storys always have the "i feel uncomfortable but allow it anyway"
For the 2nd story, I get the feeling the DM targeting Bard.
Translating the 40k story to DnD, this is what happened:
One player is going to be a custom barbarian, and the DM gives them a custom regeneration ability.
Gets approved.
The DM's DMPC is a Battlemaster fighter.
Obviously approved.
Last player asks to be a wizard.
DM shoots that down for being too complex.
Then player asks to be a Paladin.
DM shoots that down as well.
Finally, player asks to be an Aarakocra rogue.
DM boots him from the call and game.
Also, sleep is a wonderful spell. I see no issue with a player choosing to rely on it heavily. Especially in this situation, where DM is new and is having a hard time managing the rules. They should be grateful that the bard is keeping things simple, rather than flexing their deep spell list. It seems like the DM doesn't want Bard to play complicated classes, but also gets annoyed when the bard's playstyle is too simple/repetitive.
Obviously trying to demand 18 cha sounds scummy to me, but the 40k bit made it seem like DM favors the Monk player a lot. Does the Monk have a bunch of 18's or absurd gear that makes her always steal the show in combat? Also, it's not like the Bard wants the 18 cha so that he can be the ultimate badass. His strategy is literally to spam Sleep, a support spell.
DM seems to get pissy about bard "wasting his turns" when the sleep spell fails. Does DM give the martial characters a hard time when they miss all their attacks? I bet not.
Also, I think DM is using incorrect rules for the sleep spell. Of course, normally Charisma has no effect on sleep, but It kinda sounds like DM was having the bard do attack rolls for it. (and mentions how he wasn't even going to make it on a 10)
Yeah, it sounded more like a simple personality clash (DM is irritated by everything Bard does) than a one-sided fault, to me. You sum it up well.
Totally agree. The main think that struck me was that DM complains about being overwhelmed by the role while still giving it a try. Yet he/she still insists on having their own DMPC for some reason while shitting on any idea Bard has o.O
Bard seems like kind of a clueless asshole, but so does DM.
Especialy nit letting bard use a inceptor a basic suport space marine thats nit op for 40k thats a base line
While monk plays a super nun and even havibg a sister of battle means their be fightibg chaos and fighting chaos a sister of battle is stronger than a inceptor
@@demonic_myst4503 their argument for Monk being a Sister of Battle was.... strange. So because she is female, she gets only two choices? Two strong classes? Anyone else find that strange?
I definitely feel like the bard was in the wrong on a lot of stuff and was being spiteful but it definitely also felt like the dm was being a bit too ambitious on the 40k thing before being more experienced and knowing the lore and workings more.
So trying to understand the 40K story, were they playing a 40K system or a 40K home brew of another one? I get OP might have been uneasy about understanding the rules, but it sounds like the equivalent of starting a campaign and telling everyone they can only be a fighter, a regular no magic fighter, except one person got to pick a slightly magical fighter, but Rogue couldn’t pick an eldritch knight or even an echo knight.
Please correct me if I misunderstood the story, otherwise I think Rogue did have a reason to get annoyed.
Yeah, I feel like Im missing something too.
I think you've got more or less the right idea about the second story. It sounded pretty much like the DM said 'no magic classes' and let a character take a feat or something to get one spell or some cantrips. I've had DMs do that before and I like playing casters. The sensible thing to do is realise that the game they want to run isn't for you and not try to force the issue.
The issue with the player was less that they got annoyed about not being able to play the class they wanted and more that it was a consistent pattern of behaviour across several games. They wanted to be the strongest character in the party all the time and couldn't share narrative space with the others. They couldn't let the DMs rulings pass without arguing them. And when the group tried to discuss this with them they repeatedly said they'd change then didn't. That kind of thing can be incredibly aggravating when you're around it a lot.
Same. One thing I think the OP messed up on is saying something subjective like "simple". What's simple to me might be confusing to someone else, and vice versa. If he'd said "no psychic powered characters" or "martial characters only" I'd get it.
And yeah, his other mistake was to let one player have (arguably) special treatment and play a super powered warrior nun via convoluted character background bullsh!t and a limp excuse about character gender. If he was actually against complex characters he could have required her to play a female guardsman or zealot.
Ok, the DM in the second story was big problem in his own right. He openly admits to not understanding several 40k concepts and hides behind his inexperience but then why is he running a 40k homebrew at all? First of all, D&D is not at all designed for that. Second, there are already 40k RPGs out there he could have used. Third, Monk gets to have a self heal but everyone else just has to be a basic melee marine? Also, in 40k Chaplains and lieutenants are roughly equivalent in stature so letting bard be a chaplain when rogue gets to be a lieutenant would not have been a big deal at all. It doesn't justify Bard's repeated belligerent attitude, but a lot of the issues in this 40k homebrew were fueled by the DM seeming to just want to force Bard to be something generic and not let him be on par with the other players.
Seconded. We all start somewhere, but I would never run a game where I'm unfamiliar with the world and even less so the mechanics of the system. Even if you're trying to homebrew it in dnd, how hard wouldnt it have been to take a couple wizard spells and turn them into psychic powers for a libarian? Or a couple clerics spells into litanies for a chaplain. Or just like you said - use one of the 40k ttrpg system. I don't know when the story happens, but Deathwatch, for example, is a system from 12 years ago where the players are space marines. Bard was a dick, but the DM seems like wasnt willing to do some lite prep to accomodate all of their players.
Yes, this. All of this.
Why would he run a 40k homebrew? Probably just because he thought it could be fun. Also, it seems like he IS using a 40k roleplaying system just trying to take their characters from their DnD session and swap them over as best he can. That may be a misunderstanding on my part though.
I don't know enough about 40k to be able to say anything about him saying yes/no to character choices. I do think it seems like he may have singled out Bard though seeing as how Monk often felt the need to interject and straight up mute the DM so she could talk to Bard.
All in all, it just looks to be a friend group that got themselves in over their heads trying to play a fun roleplaying game together, and in the end they couldn't get over the friction it caused. Had something similar happen to me before, and it's really sad to see people you thought were good friends tear those friendships apart over something meant to be fun.
Agreed like havibg a hissy fit over a inceptor a fucking suport class of the prinaris the bloody sister of battle is more op takk h their abilitu against chaos and monk ignorant ignored imperial gaurd would kf been the actual logical answer for a none op character
Besides, the guy with the jump pack could've just been an assault regular ass space marine, with a chainsword and bolter. No need for them to be primaris.
Guy tried 3 times to pick an "acceptable" class, and was shot down all 3 times.
I'm a new DM myself; if my players want to play as something a little different I research it and learn how it works instead of going: "That's too hard for my little brain."
If the DM says to roll up this kind of PC and you don't like it, discuss it with them and if they won't bow to your obvious superiority, leave and deprive them of your presence.
Thing is Sleep isn't effected by Charisma so having an 18 would have done jack shit to the chance of it working
I'm sorry but that second story grinds my gears. Dude played a support class; bard puts stuff to sleep and DM loses his shit? He wasn't screwing everything....just sleeping them? Wanted to be a player with healing spells but DMs GF got to, yet somehow he was childish? I'm sorry the DM is playing favorites here.
That first story...I can't really think of anything the comments havent said already. Get that girl therapy. Stat.
Second group, not just the bard, sounded like they were not quite ready for the ttrpg experience. There's a lot of details missing from that story, but half of it sounded like the bard felt like he was being blown off by a dm who didn't care enough to even try to accommodate him. The childish tantrums and poorly conceived intervention was doomed to happen, it sounds like.
I love how you used a 'tee-hee I'm so girly and cute!' voice for her until she argued then you went all Batman, it really made me lol.
The bard. The dm is at fault. Not the player. Its not your place to tell players how to play there character. And the fact that hes upset the bard (whos chr should probably be the highest stat) isnt playing the way the dm wants them to raises loads of red flags
Just let bard move his scores around at that point so charisma uses the higher number. He probably didn't realize charisma was as important as it was until he started playing. The DM sounds like an aggressive micromanager.
And I don't know anything about 40K, but if my DM told me to pick a new class 3 times I'd be pretty annoyed too.
If I told the players to pick this kind of class and you purposely picked a class that didn't meet that description 3 times, I'd be pretty annoyed too.
Well, psykers are... Complicated, they have some basic powers, but at the same time it needs micromanaging from the DM's part, with the warp nullification of some races, like Tyranids, or immunity like t'au
Chaplains are morale boosters, that's more understandable to choose, but interceptor is the one I knew there was a problem on OP's part too, as they're literally just Marines with jetpacks, and they are mostly melee focused, I just don't get why he wouldn't let him choose interceptor
Damn, Delilah went from Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged Tea to Shadow the Hedgehog in an instant.
When I made my character for my current campaign, I worked with my DM for a week leading up to session zero to come up with my character's back story, goals, ect... Specifically so that my character wouldn't end up being your typical "Anime protag" type.
The result? My character is realistic to the setting, has a great backstory that the DM can pull story elements from and, aside from my poor RP skills (thanks social awkwardness... Ya really come in handy...), he fits perfectly into the campaign.
"Wanted me to describe the breast movement" that's already creepy on it's own... but not enough, let's make her a teen.
One of my art students to another: "are you telling me this character isn't allowed to have curves? then how will people know that she is a girl?"
For context, he was asking advice on drawing kids and the subject was, according to him, 8 years old.
That's a big, fuckin' yikes from me, dawg.
I cannot comprehend the thought process behind that. If she was 14 it would have at least made sense, but 8? If you're going to butcher the human anatomy like that at least give her dragon wings or something cool. Never this.
That is the reason why I am quite scared of certain people...
There is a difference in minor curves and just jiggly oversized watermelons being described on how they jiggle specifically, and under 18 too 😐😐😐
@@CoffeeMaus the 14 thing isn't necessarily accurate. I was at a buffet once sitting at my table. I saw a girl standing in line to get food. I couldn't see her face because of the sneeze guard. All I could see was her chest. She had at least DDs. When i finally saw her face i felt like a dirty old man (was in my early 20s) because she couldn't have been more than 12. Can't say if she had curvy hips or anything because i immediately stopped looking when i saw her face. Some kids (girls and boys) develop earlier. I, for example. had to start shaving at 11 & could have easily had a full mustache when i was 12.
I accidentally started playing my character as a bit of a Mary Sue, I realised my mistake and promptly yote him into a pack of yetis. Now I'm playing Tom seguerra
As you should. I mean to be fair closest thing I was getting out of my OC's FROM NOT EVER GOING to DnD mind you, was the fact almost all of them were undocumented desertion breakers from "organizations trying to help for the good of the people" to deserters of terrible lords. Some are just downright criminals and others are just mercy killers.
Okay, but can we talk about the phrase "His charisma was ALREADY a 15." That's hella low for a charisma based class. I'm not saying the DM should have changed it, I'm just sayin' that's really low for a main stat.
My charisma is 15 at lvl 7 sorcerer its fine. Its not great but its good enough for a fun game.
If they rolled stats and that's the best he got, that's the best he got. If he went standard array, it sounds like it's on Bard for not picking a race option to bring that up to a 16 or 17. I'd suggest going with non-save spells, but then, it is the bard.... How many of those do they have?
@@kristb2604 I didn't say it was unplayable, but by definition it's low for a main stat. To imply that it's high by adding in "already" is false. I'm not saying the DM should have increased it, but 15 is not high.
It kinda depends upon the power level of the game really, in some cases yes, a 15 would be low for the main stat, but in a low powered game 15 would be a high one.
@@MyAramil it's +2.
It's literally getting overshadowed by proficiency bonus by +3 bonus, which is not a good thing for your power coma.
How could the first story be even considered as AITA? Delilah was clearly in the wrong.
I noticed a lot of the AITA stories I hear are pretty obvious they aren't, rarely does the story actually make you ask if they really are
To be fair, OP (judgeing by his own description of it) explained it terribly to that guy why one player can play SoB and he can't be whatever - since that faith healing and powers of something like chaplain might have been very similar looking over them.
Not good move on that-guy's side, yet still there is some blame on OP
“Definitely creepy towards minors” You're forgetting fanfics... A ton of inuyasha, naruto and hunterxhunter bizarre and barelly legal stories
Am I missing something..... sleep is automatic, as long as the HP of the creature are reached and they aren't immune to magical sleep. It seems like they were rolling saving throws. Which means the Bard had a reason to be pissed off.
First OP just made the mistake of agreeing to let someone integrate their character as an NPC in their campaign when they didn't want to at all. Delilah clearly read what they gave her if they knew about the two kings and that the melty murder one was sealed away for thousands of years. Unless that was something she added to justify sexualizing a minor.
Second story... Idk man. I get the feeling that OP just wanted to be rid of Bard by the time the 40k stuff happened.
I don't know, the guy wanting to play a chaplain doesn't sound like he's the cringe here. Letting the female play what she wants and get healing abilities on top of that yet constantly telling the guy to pick something else and when he does you get mad and hang up the call is cringe dude
How does a chaplain work compared to a sister of battle? They pointed out there's only like 2 classes specifically for girls, battle and silence, and Sisters of Silence are the stronger ones.
A self heal alone isn't much to keep track of. I don't know how this game works, hell I don't even know specifically what game it IS. Just Warhammer isn't very specific.
But if we're talking the most basic classes, sister of battle sounds like they'd deal with weapons and they basically have a fighter's second win ability. That's, nothing really. That doesn't give the DM ANY work. You can basically just say that character has a bit of extra health.
Psychic powers and THE ABILITY TO FLY and whatever the fuck else Bard wanted to be "special" in a game where the DM SPECIFICALLY asks you NOT to be special and to just be as basic as possible is being an ass. Like maybe he doesn't know what the fuck sister of battle is either, and he thinks she's got this super amazing class so he wants one too, but they EXPLAINED to him why she can play that class and how it's a simple class aside from ONE snazzy ability. Assuming she's the only girl in their group, it makes sense when they're being super simple she'd choose the class that literally has sister in it.
Like if I was gonna play a game of DnD and the DM was new and asked us to make really simple characters, I would NOT use my changeling shadow sorcerer because WOW is that character the opposite of simple! I'd be like, an evocation wizard or maybe a life cleric. Cause the DM, who without there is NO GAME, specifically asked us to keep it simple. If he doesn't understand what the DM means by "simple" then he could ask for a list of acceptable classes that the DM feels confident he can run. If none of those classes appeal, he can just choose to bow out of this game and come back when the DM feels more secure in running it.
You know, like how NOT a cunt would act.
@@haku8135 That's a lot of paragraphs pertaining to a game you have no knowledge about. That's how you know people are doing mental gymnastics to spin something one way when it's not meant to.
Bottom line here, the dm told the guy to pick another class, ANY other class. Was VERY clear about ANY OTHER CLASS. The guy did and the dm rage quit. DM is cringe here.
@@genseven4616 Bard also could've just not been a shitter and picked a simple class like originally asked instead of fighting for his molehill victory, but sure, we'll say DM is cringe for giving up on someone who doesn't listen to basic requests because his wording in a post recalling an event in a story format has semantics.
I don't like to be rude, so I apologize, but I genuinely can't understand where you're coming from with this.
@@BigManDaichi
Gen Seven must be Bard.
@@BigManDaichi well the dm could have also not been a shitter and let him pick the class he wanted since he let the girl pick the class she wanted. The guy also did as the DM asked and picked ANY other class. VERY CLEAR ON ANY OTHER CLASS and the dm raged. DM is cringe here.
Just remember, if anyone plays a character that looks underage, you can always have relations with those below 18 punishable by death and have none of the NPCs believe them about their "totally 5000 years old" age because that's the sort of bad excuse a dumb rebellious teen would make up to get away with tempting older men. "Oh, you're 5000 years old. Okay, prove it. Show me documents proving your age or run home to daddy, who must be very disappointed in your life choices."
Alternately, because those people are "5,000 years old" you can punish them for trying to date clearly "underaged" people.
@@Temperans gigabrain
even though the whole underage thing is relatively new. In history it was common for people to be considered adults when they were 15 and marriage material at 12 (eww). Its only in modern times where people think that's wrong.
@@Necrowolf81not really, even during Shakespeare's time a 14 year old was still considered a child, the whole '12 is marriage material' is more for erranged marriages between children of the upper-class, not actual 'marriage and sex'
Hell, 2000 years ago we knew pedophiles were messed up people
Idk how to feel about bard's antics. Like yeah, I'd also be mad if I was trying to play a bard and got stuck with only a 15 in charisma, that's unplayable even at a roleplay-heavy table, but how did that happen?? Even with point buy or standard array, sure, the highest it gives is a 15, but then you put a racial bonus on it, so he should've been able to start with a 16 or 17, which would be pretty average and okay at low levels. Either he's stupid, or the DM was an asshole and didn't let him reassign his bonus to the relevant stat. Obviously bard is completely unreasonable about HOW he's trying to get his stats balanced, but I do wonder if maybe the DM isn't telling the whole story here.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, have you never even WATCHED DnD?
At low levels, a 15 in charisma is, JUST fine.
Like 17 is functionally identical to 16, so even mentioning it is redundant, but 16 isn't the BARE MINIMUM for a Bard. Bards at low levels, CAN HAVE LOW STATS. If you CANNOT play a bard with less than 16 charisma at level ONE, then your DM is dogshit at balancing his games, bring it up to him and help him fix it. What does the rogue who has 15 dex just fail EVERY dex check they make? What fantasy world are YOU living in where less than 16 just makes a build UNPLAYABLE?
Even at a roleplay HEAVY table? What the ACTUAL fuck is wrong with your games?
Anyway, moving on, he said the BIGGEST problem with Bard's.... well bard, is that ALL he'd do is put the enemies to sleep.
The Sleep spell IS NOT EFFECTED BY ANY OF YOUR STATS. You roll dice to determine HP the spell effects. There's no attack rolls, there are no saving throws. Even if he was only casting charm person adding ONE to the save DC will not suddenly make him the best bard ever. An unlucky roll is an unlucky roll, having a plus 2 or a plus 3 to your FOUR isn't going to swing things massively in your direction. If every DC your DM sets just so happens to be ONE higher than every fucking roll your Bard makes, then I hate to break it to you, but your DM just hates you.
@@haku8135 I've been playing for like 5, maybe 6 years now? I like playing characters who are good at their thing for their class/ character concept. Bards need high charisma especially at roleplay-heavy tables because persuasion, deception, and performance are very important stats for them. If I'm playing a bard, I should have the highest charisma at the table (unless someone else is also a charisma caster). I've had the experience of having lower stats compared to the others at the table, and it sucks. Even if I'm making all the checks I really need to, not feeling like I'm good at the things my character is supposed to be good at kinda ruins the fantasy.
Yeah, I know Sleep doesn't depend on your spellcasting ability modifier. Maybe that's why it was the only spell he wanted to use.
Don't talk down to people when you don't know what their level of expertise is. I've been playing and DMing for years. I've seen people play low stat or poorly balanced characters and have fun, but I've also seen people get frustrated in that situation and been frustrated myself. That's why I can empathize with his frustration even if I don't condone his actions. Now, idk why you got so heated over trying to disprove my opinion on how I and others I know prefer to play, but whatever your reason is, cool off a little
@@lanfae9353 "I like playing characters who are good at their thing for their class/ character concept" So long as you don't use Charisma as your dump stat, and your DM isn't a twat, 15 is a great stat to start out with. Sure higher would be BETTER, it'd be BETTER to start with fucking 20, but that's not necessary to be playable.
"Bards need high charisma especially at roleplay-heavy tables because persuasion, deception, and performance are very important stats for them" Ok i'm going to roll up a super quick and basic level 1 bard. One moment. Alright so I made my race Hill Dwarf to avoid ANY relevant bonuses. I made my Charisma 15, and my other stats are all lower than that. 10 HP, and my deception, persuasion and performance all have a plus FOUR, everything else is dogshit. At level ONE where the average for a DC should be 10, that means you're very unlikely to fail a check so long as you roll at least a SIX. So that's a pretty fucking high chance you won't fail.
My spell save DC is a 12 which again for LEVEL ONE is pretty good. As soon as I hit level 4 I can boost my charisma up and I can even take a feat to boost it and get a second bonus as well. For the very start of the game though, this character is just fine. Unless your DM is shit of course, then nothing can save you.
"If I'm playing a bard, I should have the highest charisma at the table (unless someone else is also a charisma caster)" Do you think 15 is a dump stat? That EVERYONE rolls fucking 16s and 15s and 17 and 18 for at least one stat? Bullshit, that's called being a cheater. It's very likely you'll be getting a 9 and a few 11s and shit like that. 15 and up is exciting because you can put it into your most used stat, while you think about where to use your other numbers based on how your character should be built. OBVIOUSLY you'll have the highest CHARISMA unless someone else uses fucking charisma. Why would the fucking wizard put THEIR best roll into Charisma? More often than not they'll make that a dump stat actually. Regardless, even if the barbarian put that 17 they rolled into charisma and their strength is like 13 that doesn't mean shit for YOU it just means THEY'LL be worse at swinging their great axe. They also won't have MAGIC to bolster their interactions like you will.
"I've had the experience of having lower stats compared to the others at the table, and it sucks." Define "having lower stats" cause it sounds like you're being a major drama queen if you don't.
"Even if I'm making all the checks I really need to, not feeling like I'm good at the things my character is supposed to be good at kinda ruins the fantasy."..... see? Now you're sounding like a MAJOR drama queen. "Oh boo hoo, I'm MAKING my charisma checks, but I'm not rolling 10 over the DC every tiiiiiime. Buff meeeeeeeeeee."
No, I'm not going to buff you, because you're doing FINE. What's a plus ONE to your rolls going to fucking accomplish this early in the game? If you're missing checks by ONE all the time, it's not your character, your DM just hates you.
"Don't talk down to people when you don't know what their level of expertise is" Doesn't matter how experienced a geologist you are if you open up by saying the earth's flat.
"I've been playing and DMing for years" Based on our interaction so far, it sounds like you're bad at both.
"I've seen people play low stat or poorly balanced characters and have fun, but I've also seen people get frustrated in that situation and been frustrated myself." FIFTEEN IS NOT A LOW FUCKING STAT FOR EARLY GAME! OH MY GODS, YOU ABSOLUTE BABY!
"Now, idk why you got so heated over trying to disprove my opinion on how I and others I know prefer to play, but whatever your reason is, cool off a little" Because you're coming into a video about DnD where a player becomes a massive detriment to his team and keeps pestering the DM to buff his stats when his stats are FINE and your defense is LOW stats are hard to play....... HIS STATS! AREN'T! LOW! You are spreading NONSENSE based on your BAD dming and player experiences. I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but I don't want people spreading nonsense in DnD like any stat below 16 is basically worthless and once you cross the magical border of 16 suddenly all your skills are amazing cause now they have the PROPER amount of bonus points. That brings your average 6 to succeed to a FIVE to succeed. Whoopie, you are sooooo powerful.
I'm genuinely terrified to see what kind of creatures you have your level 1 parties go up against. Fucking MIND FLAYERS?
@@haku8135 I'm late I will preface that.
I also have been on a Pathfinder kick, and I will preface that THAT probably skews my perception of things with 5e (as it is a system where rolling a 30 can put you at a high chance of critically failing and eating some serious damage).
@@haku8135 but in pf2e, creature levels are balanced roughly by character power, assuming your character's main Stat is at 18(+4).
When you're fighting on level, having instead a 16(+3) really isn't a significant detriment. Since level is the same, you aren't much weaker.
However facing a party level +3 or +4 opponent can be downright TERRIFYING, even with an ability mod of +4, since they have a massive advantage in rolling over you. At a base 16(+3), if you aren't at least level 5 to raise that stat, you are in serious trouble.
Some anime fans gotta learn not everyone wants to think about busty teenagers. Gotta have Chris Hansen on speed dial.
Don't call them anime fans... they're weebs its a different category anime fans just like the genre
I mean Pornhub statistics technically disagree with that statement.
Trying to make Delilah a more fitting character:
1. BBEG's daughter cant be because of BBEG personality, and love interest with the king isn't likely either. Make the new role someone that's enamored by the BB, and has this unconditional love and loyalty for a man "so great she can never be with"
2. instead of a completely overpowered character, make her a promising strong magic caster with spells that conveys power rather then simply squashing the party.
give her a power complex, but leave her wide open against some common anti caster tactics (such like casting a silence spell on top of her then grappling her)
It could be power level of a deadly encounter, but by her being so young and unexperienced in combat she offers the party an easy way out. Having her played a bit foolish might even allow her to be slightly overpowered.
im confused...he gave like 3 different options of characters...are they all too complicated? ive never played a 40k ttrpg but still...i dont know maybe im an asshole too but i feel like monk over reacted.
I feel for OP of the first story, I've dealt with allot of the cringy Naruto roleplayers when i first got into rping, and man those (and not all) people were a different breed of crazy
Didn't actually see how that had ANYTHING to do with Naruto specifically.
Like weeb cringe, fine, but you know Naruto is AN anime, right? It's not like, a genre or anything. It's the particular one with the blonde guy in an orange jacket.
Her name wasn't even Japanese, so even the Weeb part is contested. Sounded like edgelord cringe, not so much weeb cringe and definitely not Naruto. Naruto doesn't even have magical girls in it.
Ok I'll give the first story this much: the idea of a PC being the child of the BBEG and maybe becoming a suprise boss fight later in the campaign, in the right context that can really work.
That being said...
Everything and I mean... EVERYTHING ELSE is a deal breaker! Especially the graphic physical details of an underage character. And when the DM is being as paitent as expected, and trying to get you to understand why it's not going to happen you absolutely don't have a tantrum and call them a bigot or try the "Damn millenials" stuff. Massive red flags and I'm glad that individual had to leave!
As for the tale of the toxic bard that just... It sucks all around, I agree with crab. In that situation it sucks to lose a friend but at the same time you don't need people like that as your friends because it's all about them and not about the people around them and that's not how a true friend works. I hope that group found a good replacement down the line and are having fun playing dnd.
I agree, that type of character can actually work but it has to be done right and make sense with the BBEGs backstory. The one described by that OP, it clearly wouldn't have made sense but if your BBEG is say a powerful wizard that turned to what he did because he lost his family and then he doesn't know one of his children survived then it may work
Don't judge the 30 second backstory, I literally just made it up while typing this comment XD
@@safsren Honestly I like it, heck it'd be cool as a twist if the PC is an unknowing sleeper agent that the BBEG "activates" by saying a specific word or using a specific spell to trigger it. Ultimately it depends on the context and if you have been building up to something like that in the first place. Also being op right away is highly ridiculous you need to level up WITH the party not automatically be better than them otherwise there's no point in the party existing at all.
I'm doing a twist villain in my current campaign as well but I'm putting in hints as to who it is and the reveal is meant to be a blow to the party. I don't automatically have a Mary Sue that's a huge huge HUGE red flag.
I was with you until you started talking about player mental health? If an rpg can hurt your mental health, you should be in therapy, not at a table. Sorry, but not really.
Well it mostly consists of friends usually, it's not so simple
Really always feel like were only getting half the story. 40k one definitely had more going on in that groups dynamic
Sounds pretty straightforward.
From what I understand the DM said "I'm new to this game (they ALL are) so can you just pick really simple classes?"
and then this guy does the equivalent of going "Can I be a mystic?" which is a VERY complicated class, because another player got to be a FIGHTER.
Then he's like "Ok ok fine. How about I can fly?"
NOPE! FUUUUUUCK YOU. I say simple and you work your way down to FLYING? That's super broken! If you don't know what your DM means by simple, ask for a list of classes they're confident in running. If you don't want to play any of those classes, don't play in this game. Especially since it was a ONE SHOT. Like OHHHH my god I get it if it's like a full campaign, but a ONE SHOT?
Shit, if I get to hang out with some friends and play DnD if it's as a ONE SHOT I'll accept literally everyone being FIGHTERS. Not even like eldritch knights and arcane archers and psi warriors, I'm talking BATTLE MASTER FIGHTERS ALL AROUND! For a full campaign, that's NOT acceptable, but for a fun one shot to help the players AND the DM get used to how the game works? Yeah, that sounds like fun. And that's the MOST restrictive, this guy is being CONSIDERABLY more generous.
@@haku8135 or the dm could try to learn the system he's using so his players can have the character types they want
@@insertedgynamehere THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING
A ONE SHOT!
He wants to gain experience, but he doesn't want to burn himself out tracking 30 different things in his FIRST FUCKING GAME. It's also THEIR first fucking game. Learning an RPG like this is a step by step process, and that guy was trying to skip to step 10.
@@haku8135 it's a damned chaplain. It cannot be that hard to make work. The only sticking point is that like two gene lines have special chaplains. That's it.
@@insertedgynamehere Do you KNOW that or are you just guessing? Cause it sounds like you're just guessing.
I can sympathize with both the DM and the Player is story #2.
DM felt like they couldn’t handle too many in-game variables. There are lots of rules to remember and sometimes simplifying the game makes it a little easier to learn and run.
Player wanted to play a character that they actually wanted to play, not just sit at a table and be told what to play. They wanted their character to feel personal. Now all of their friends are ganging up on them for it.
Rather than arguing about how difficult it would be, they should have had a Session 0. The DM could get practice running the game and they could work with the player to see how well their chosen character works out. If it’s still difficult to run, then either the player makes a new character or leaves the group.
Poor Monk... I don't even know her but want to give her a hug. That response Bard gave? I would have strangled him in person. Not kidding.
bard was right yho she could of been an imperial gaurd they treated bard unfairly had a hissy fit when he chose a basic space narine with a jump pack but bard git to play a super nun and ignore that the imperial gaurd is the only none op group
@@demonic_myst4503 Just remember that everybody in that group was 1) clearly young (they seem to all be approx highschool, college age) and 2) DnD virgins. It's not difficult to work with the DM and go off of what they understand FIRST, before diving into concepts they don't really get. It's not even really about whether they were right about the classes, but whether the DM even knew how they worked.
@@freyjablue. he didnt know how sisters of battle worked at all neiter did monk they described it wrong didnt use weapons that class would use or any their abilities
then argued against a basic space marine
a inceptor is just a space marine wkth a jump pack nothing special 40k isnt the same in how it works and they hombrewing it if he stoped for two secondws they could of made it work
@@freyjablue.
she even more wrong than op and she seemed to have some research monk either lied or stoped after seing she waned that class
females can be
imperial gaurd
vindicator assassins
or eversor assassins
all three are more reasonable than sisters of silence which u woluld never play in this situation and sisters of battle which are also not really right to play for what he sdtated his goals are
The fact that Delilah wanted to change the world just to fit with her character's backstory should be enough of a red flag in my opinion
Yeah, no. It was a bit of a stretch for most of the time, and then came the "hurr durr I am an evulz right winger and I hate those millennials durrrrr!".
As the saying goes: "Of all the things that didn't happen, this one didn't happen the most."
I have no idea why some players want to introduce their world ideas into someone else's campaign. Make your own world 'hero'...
my guess is they just want somebody else (the dm) to do all the work for them
Just played my first ever game of DND today and I’ve gotta say even though I joined mid story with no idea what was going on I still had an absolute blast.
My favorite part was when me as a Goliath fighter ran into a dark room basically blind, but I did have guidance from a ranger elf who had night vision. After I collided with a dwarf in a chair I proceeded to completely miss 2 swings which went right over the head of the dwarf both times. After my turn one of my companions stabbed the dwarf killing him instantly. My fighter then turned and swung twice at a mimic and missed both times. Immediately after my turn the elf shouts “swing down ya idiot”. Once it was my turn again I finally swung down and cleved the mimic right in two. My fighter stood there 7ft tall and flexing even though it was pitch black in the room.
Don't offer to run a 40k game if yoy can't handle a simple class like "The guys with jump packs." They're literally extremely common in the lore...🤷🏻♂️
I have already lost all hope for humanity that is why you must abandon human and evolve to crab because everything is already lost
EDIT: I was right there is no hope
EVOLVE TO CRAB YES
That 40k one broke my brain, why are you trying to run it in DnD when Wrath and Glory and Dark Heresy exist and why not prep on the lore a bit?
If you want to have a Mary-Sue OC that absolutely perfect and lovely and being the king of cringe then go for that if it makes you happy but trying to shove that character into a story that’s not yours and exspecting to suddenly become the main character and almost force people to get involved with your weird fetishes so you can watch it play out in real life...like no...like god no
I feel for the MC story. I had a group like that once. Great DM and great guys, but 3 of the 5 lived together and it became a bit of a problem that one of the three would be party leader or their actions would seem to be the only actions that influenced the world. Luckily it got brought up by a guest player in a respectful way and the DM started adding personal side-quests where each player got to feel special and influential in the world.
Op in story two showed pure faviurtisn and ugnorance
I get they are fresh to RPGs and everything, but if you want to run a game in a setting, maybe, just maybe, at least try to figure out beforehand what your players can be. Don't say pick something simple, give them a list of options. And WTF, the Chaplain is a normal Space Marine sergeant with a perk for preaching, worst case cenario he has a power to buff the party. But hey, Monk gets to play Wolverine, Bard must play an Imperial Guard AND must say so himself. Also I totally disagree on point c). Yes, your character can be the very best in his field, mabe not from the start, but I'm at the table to play a hero, not a middle aged clerk. EDIT: aaaaand after the TL;DR; OP is definitely to blame: he is basically doing the very same thing he accuses Bard of. How comes that he as DM can't be bothered to mediate things? Give him his f*cking 18 in CHA, it will make no difference a t all, he only uses one spell that doesn't care about CHA. And agian, you want to run a new campaign, but you can't be bothered to learn the settings role and the system you will be using? Yo're not a fresh DM, you are an embarassment
Oh boi this is gonna be an interesting story
Been watching for the last few months and definitely feel like I have burned through so much, as someone who is still trying to get into D&D hearing the red flag things is just nice to know what to look out for. Definitely a full send kind of person so I am not deterred from wanting to find a group, but I like knowing the warning signs, so thanks Crab's for making these possible!
I don't actually mind Mary Sues that much, I think its part of growing up to create an OC who is super powerful and super cool and everybody loves, its normal to have power fantasies, but I do think trying to impose it on other people is an awful thing to do... Like, even writing fanfic is way better than putting them in an RPG, because people can choose not to read a fanfic, but at a table, forcing it on other people is pretty shit... Kudos to the first DM for not letting that happen...
Oh good lord the last time I was this early, critcrab had Skyrim gameplay in the background.
Even as a conisiuer of all things magical girls and cutesy stuff hearing this person talk just hurts.
You can still make a cute character and have them be of age or even be a boy. Kinda hate this weird unspoken rule in the anime community that you lose your charm as a woman past the age of 18.
It's a lot of people who don't know the history of Moe. It got started by a lot of of age Japanese woman who got together and thought "society tells us we can't be cutsey after a certain age but we want to be!" And that started a big fashion movement. A lot of people in the west don't know that though makes me really sad.
@@jaycraw6978 more than that. A lot of people here in the west don't care about the what the Japanase culture actually is. Instead just wanting the weird anime things that jump the ocean.
Those people instead of considering why something was done just assume they have western culture. Then try to justify their bad takes with their made up idea of what is correct.
@@jaycraw6978 sounds similar to the history behind Lolita (the fashion not the book).
@@eminempreg actually almost the exact same!!!!! The book by Vladimir Nabokov really messed up the current idea of the fashion movement in the west.
It's gotten a bit better in the cosplay community though, especially where I live. One of my friends is a big leader in the East coast group
You can still make a cute character and have them be under age.
I made an Astral Self Monk character and she's a 10 year old girl. She has an interesting backstory and personality, and her monk subclass actually works with her diminutive size and strength to explain how she can punch things to death. She summons astral arms to fight, so it doesn't matter how weak her actual arms are. Even with that in mind, cause it's more fun, instead of just ending it at "Oh her astral arms punch really hard" I decided even her astral arms don't hit THAT hard, but they CAN move very fast. So each 1 point of damage I translate as a single punch, so if she deals like 14 damage she belts out 14 separate punches in like a second. Fun and unique, with just the right amount of anime.
She's normally the more stoic, serious type, but she also has a more girly side that's super cute.
This character isn't creepy at all, cause she's also NOT A MASSIVE SLUT! You know cause she's TEN.
No, my massive slut is the busty earth genasi bard........ I swear it's just a coincidence that she's a bard.
8:14 it's so refreshing to see someone who reads reddit posts and openly curses, i kid you not i haven't been able to find a single channel that doesn't bleep it out or say something else instead. This is great!
Damm I kinda agree with that second guy because it's lame that she got to be a sister of battle cause that actually sounds cool but he's also a jerk
Do you actually know how a sister of battle WORKS or do you just think the name sounds cool?
I have no idea what that class is, but it sounds like, a fighter from DnD. Like they've got a self heal, they're "of battle" so I assume they're primarily brawlers. Sounds like a basic ass fighter.
Meanwhile he's like "I want crazy psychic powers" then he's like "Ok I want a JET PACK THEN"
If you don't think a jet pack is that complicated, the ability to FLY can BREAK a game unless you're REALLY attentive. New DMs REALLY struggle with flying characters unless they just, turn flying off in every area that's important. Which of course just means the players are having less fun. A character that can fly out of the gate is SUPER overpowered.
In DnD there's a race called Aarakocra, they're bird people and of course, they can fly. They're considered a SUPER powerful race, EXCLUSIVELY because they can fly at level 1. That's it, their other abilities DON'T MATTER cause they can fly. They can't fly in heavy armor, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY CAN FLY. DMs should NEVER allow their players to make characters that can fly right off the bat unless they KNOW they're creative and hard working enough to compensate for it. This goes for even EXPERIENCED DMs, NEW DMs should just NEVER allow it for any reason. Players can learn the fly spell at level 5, they can FUCK OFF until then with flying and breaking the world.
Either way, he should either have asked for a list of classes he feels comfortable running, or just dipped out of that game and asked to be called back when he felt more comfortable running more complex classes, because those are the ones most fun for him. That would've been FINE.
Or how about this? HE should've asked if he could be a sister of battle too! He could even make a cool backstory in tandem with the other sister of battle. Now he gets the heal ability, which seriously just sounds like second wind, it's NOT that big a thing, and he also gets roleplay potential with another player. Like NOTHING about that post implied every character HAD to pick a different class. Actually by the sound of it he'd PREFER to have duplicate classes, cause that's one less class he needs to keep track of!
@@haku8135 or the dm could let his players do things that are fun, and play characters that they want to play
@@insertedgynamehere He's a NEW DM. Do you know what that means?
It means he's taking the effort to learn a very complex system FULL of potentially hundreds of variables, and that's just classes. Becoming a dungeon master is a HUGE undertaking. It's REALLY hard and requires an IMMENSE amount of work and time investment.
If you've got a new DM and he's telling you he's not very comfortable with the more complicated classes, DON'T PICK ONE OF THEM! Give him time to acclimate himself. The players aren't the only ones playing, the DM is a player too, and their fun is also important. VERY fucking important, because they're running the damn game.
@@haku8135 chaplains aren't any more complex than sisters of battle. It's blatant favouritism, letting one person have their special class, but not another.
The only criticism I have for the WH40K DM would be not giving the guy some options that he COULD have taken. Giving him a narrowed selection to choose from the ones the DM was familiar with probably would have solved the issue a lot sooner and with much less of a headache / an abruptly ended call.
Ahh, I was hoping for a healthy dose of cringe today
Bard is clearly an asshole, but as someone who doesn't know anything about Warhammer, I don't really understand that part of the anecdote. To me, mostly a DnD player, it sounded like, "why are you letting him play a cleric, but I can't play a wizard." I'm sure it's more complicated than that, but that would sit weird with me, too.
Yeah. I've had that come up once or twice with DMs and I do find it weird. As a DM I don't really see the appeal of limiting players like that and as a player... I like casters. But the sensible response is always 'ok that game's not for me'.
That was pretty much it for the Librarian but the Chaplain would've been pretty much the same as the Sister of Battle just with heavier armour.
"He'd rather get to know someone before falling in love."
That's not what demisexual means. That's not remotely close to what demisexual means.
It may be not worded quite right, but demi can fit, as you need a strong emotional bond to start feeling sexual attraction. Which you don't usually get unless you get to know someone.
Granted, nothing was said about sexual attraction for that character, but does it need to be?
Story 2: did you know, undead and a few other things are immune to sleep?
The first time I met my DM he told me "everything is on the table, except mentally controlling other players or NPCs, no distinction". I thought he was being over dramatic, "It's a world of fantasy and adventure" my innocent and positive mind thought. After finding this channel, I now see what he means.
And just to be clear, he is a super cool DM and doesn't force a fetish to the story.
In my games, whenever someone misspells "rogue" as "rouge", the character they are currently playing gets a permanent stacking -1 penalty to their stealth skill checks
i call it the "bright red is not good for your camouflage" penalty
this story hurt to read
....thats kind of a dick move, mate
Yeah I see myself getting that penalty sometimes I randomly misspell simple random words I think it's cause of my dyslexia diagnosis
At least inceptors are extremely simple compared to chaplains or librarians. They just... Happen to have some of the best armor ever developed, and dual wield guns that individually can shred a whole company of guardsmen into powder, or melt a whole Rhino transport into goo.
Delilah (the character) really feels like the player took one look at Serana from Skyrim and Delilah Briarwood from Critical Role and said, "Fuck it, that'll work," before mushing them together on her character sheet.
CritCrab. Let me start by saying I enjoy your videos, narrations and commentary of these stories. I have only one real issue and it's more of a pet peeve than an issue. The word scimitar has 3 syllables not 2. (si-muh-tr) not (smiter). Many years ago when the first Diablo came out I had a friend who pronounced sabre as (sa-rah-bay) and since then it's bothered me to hear words mispronounced that much. Especially when the mispronunciation has fewer or morw syllables than the word is supposed to have. Sorry I don't intend to insult you and it's more my issue than yours and we all should strive to improove ourselves.
"The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead" 🤣
I want to make my own spin on the infamous dragon-loli character. One who is 1000+ years old, looks like a kid, and BEHAVES like a sweet old grandma. One who has tea parties with stuffed animals, that have actually become sentient by existing for so long (japanese yokai), and they talk about gardening, and their grandkids. Sometimes, she has exposition to share with the characters, presented as a shaggy-old-dog-story, supplying plenty of tea & crumpets the whole time through.
Id change the literal stuffed animals(feels a bit too childlike) for her comunicating with other old as fuck characters (maybe she uses stuffed animals as stand ins) but otherwise its a really good idea.
I’m gonna be honest, a chaplain would be pretty easy. Just let him use SoB abilities from what I assume the homebrew he drew up for the sister. He gets his self heal, he still ends up using a bolter and melee weapon (crozius). He just wanted a cool character concept so he could feel special, I’m sure there’s more context but that request alone wasn’t unreasonable.
I made a custom lineage character about a year ago, based around a Kamen Rider-theme, (human can turn into an insectoid monster), and asked it be included in a game as an NPC the party could meet in a on-off encounter.I had him named Kor- Ar or "Black" since he'd forgotten his original name and was given a new one by some elves.
Pretty average stats for a level... 2 I think he was, neutral good and with a nomadic background. He was a little monotone (-1 Charisma), but kind and wanted to forge bonds with people. He loved meeting people and bonding over things.
The party met up with him and at that point in the quest, the party were pretty close to the end. He asked them an interesting question. " What happens after you defeat this... enemy of yours? Do you all go your separate ways, forgetting the bonds you've made as friends? Or do you continue as one group until the next adventure comes around? "
I like to think I tried to steer away from the "maximum Edgelord Chemical Romance" we get a lot of. Calm, quiet type, but means well and tries to be helpful. Not some demi-god, but useful when dealing with monsters.
My god that Mary Sue is worse than my first cringe warrior cats character I made when I was like seven.
one problem with this. 16 is in no way underage in the 1400s. as a matter of fact, that's the age of consent in most of the united states. (29 out of 50 states) also in britain. and it's either 16 or lower in most asian countries. i don't see any problem with sexualizing a character that is of age both in universe and out. i personally wouldn't go for anything under 18, but that doesn't change the fact that 16 is perfectly acceptable.
Your "Delilah" is amazing, please use it more lol.
Crab, buddy, i love you but PLEASE could you cut it out with the "female" voice? These stories don't need more cringe.
I think the first story can be boiled down to the millennial and safe space comments. How old was delilah? I'd be safe to assume she isn't a millennial, since she used the insult "typical millennial". So is she gen Z, or... too old? A 30 something wanting a 16 year old lolibaba screams that something is wrong.
The problem is, 30 something still fits in the millenial category...so it's more likely she was around 40. ( unless she, for some reason, doesn't consider herself a millenial)
Honestly, smells quite of "that happened" to me. Like it's a caricature of a bad player in the OP's eyes. I have my doubts on the veracity of this story.
@@Stungunwol I dunno, I used to work at a supermarket and bore witness to stuff stranger than that. Like the lady who complained about the in store lights being too bright to the point of harming her, a practically blind person who really shouldn’t be out by themselves because in order to see something properly they had to hold it so close that their face was practically touching it, and this half drunk dude that insisted on talking my ear off about how “brown people were trying to take over”.
Compared to that, this Delilah person sounds practically pedestrian in terms of their actions and apparent life situation.
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I'm sorry but if you have to say " _technically_ ", you've gone wrong somewhere
Delilah "I can just be an npc"
Also Delilah "I'm actually the semi final boss"
I mean, bosses do fit the definition of NPC
He was in right till he blew up over inceptors their literaly a basic space marine with abit if equipment thats all
Been watching an old MirrorShades, and one player, you can tell, puts more effort into her "awkward character" and making anime references than she does actually paying attention and learning the rules. It's obnoxious. (Not to mention, her character is usually useless in any given situation- so far.) The DM (who is himself a cringy guy, in retrospect) is totally working with her. But, I feel that if this hadn't been a live streaming game, the DM and players wouldn't put up with it. They all laugh and move on ("Oh, your character is SO useless. How FUNNY!") In reality, I can feel the other players thinking, "Get your sh*t together. This is already a three-hour commitment."
Also, the bad player's fanbase tells me that nobody can criticize her. Ever.
I think 2nd Post is at least at partly on OPs fault. I was a little confused as to whether they were modding 5e or The 40K RPG, but either way that's a lot of extra to take on when you're a new GM/player. Sounds like they should have kept it simple. Maybe just main book 5e until they get better handle of things
It always amazes me when there's players like the final story. My first dnd group had a player who wanted to minmax, and we were all first-timers so nobody complained. He started rules-lawyering and cutting off the DM before they had time to finish speaking, and basically dragged our party around without asking any of us for input. This only lasted one session before we all came together and called him out on it. He wasn't very good with picking up social cues or reading the room in general, but he at least TRIED to change. He was actually sorry, and promised to slow down and work WITH the party. He ended up being the smartest player, we honestly would have died several times if it weren't for his quick thinking. The dude was able to catch himself when he started to mess up and actively stepped down from the limelight to let other players get time to shine. He became a really good friend of mine, too. We've even collabed to make characters, since he's a numbers guy and I'm an artist. You're only an asshole if you refuse to change. Bard in the last story is absolutely an asshole, kudos to the friend group for sticking it out for so long, but it was definitely for the best that they killed that campaign and (hopefully) dropped that asshole as a friend.
Bard was right tho , op doesnt knkw shit about the 40k world
A inceotor is a bsic space marine
A sister of battle is a super nun cleric
Nonk git a more op class
With the character concept story there is only one piece of it I could see working but only if you retool it.
Her being the daughter of this BBEG God.
It could only work if she was technically not his child and yet kind of is. Basically she is a child that was conceived and born by a cult that worships him and wanted to create a “child“ of his.
They kind of did something similar and samurai jack, Aku, The big villain had a cult that worships him that he gave a piece of his power to to infuse on warrior women that were trained to specifically hunt down and kill Jack they were called the “daughters of Aku” and the funny thing is he completely forgot they existed. It actually takes him a good minute thinking about it before he remembers that there was ever a cult to begin with.
Honestly the first story strikes me as her not being creative enough in wanting to integrate her character because stats aside I could totally see that working.
Unless the BBEG is immortal I could see the value of him having an heir to his throne and even if he is, creating a successor or second in command is valuable. With him obviously not interested in boning anyone, he could try to create one out of whatever magic system would permit him to make a person. Then making her both powerful and attractive(Obviously not underage, think more in the realm of early twenties), would be useful for persuasion and manipulation. Her eternal youth would follow naturally from her either being synthetic or created to stay beautiful to be useful longer. Her relationship to the regent would also make sense as an alliance with a character that lore wise would be this powerful is always useful but could clash with him obviously not loving her, and him maybe having someone else. Classic, protect the kingdom or stay true to your heart, sort of deal. All these elements are implementable. Delilah was just unwilling and uncreative.