Finally a fix has been developed for the 35xxh analogs.🎉 By no other than Gamma the creator of GammaOS. I hope this starts making its way into CFWs soon. x.com/TheGammaSqueeze/status/1820112844949496101 After testing the update with the fix and the Guli kit sticks I had in the video I do NOT recommend them. I found that they have 0 deadzone and will have stick drift. Some people have recommended the RGEEK Joycons but I have not tested them yet.
Thank you for actually documenting on video what the change is actually like. Disappointing but finally puts this issue to rest since no one who claimed swapping the sticks helped was willing to record it.
I replaced the gulikit on my 405v which suffer from same problem, the result is the same with more problem on right analog can't reach full range when press left. I think it's depend on the software as well. Gamma os don't have the analog calibration so I end up put the stock ones back in. PS. Thanks for informative video.
This really good to know. We need more videos like this. Now, I don’t know, but I thought once you put sticks into something that there would be some sort of calibration? And maybe not. So can we assume that the handheld isn’t reading right?
These sticks are supposed to be calibrated after install. However this device does not have a tool to do that. I would have expected a larger change even without calibration if it was just the sticks. So my vote is that it's something on the software/driver side.
I swapped sticks about 2 weeks ago honestly its a marginal improvement idk it depends if its worth 20 bucks to you and your time taking it apart etc. To me yeah i like the idea of future proofing my system with sticks with a less likelyhood to develop drift in the future.
Great video! Quick question, what camera and mic do you use to make these videos? Do you record footage then voiceover it, or talk live as you record? Thanks!
Thanks! I use my Pixel 8 phone to record the video. I use a Sure SM7B for the audio. I write a script then record the audio and video separately then edit them together. I'm still learning and experimenting but that is what I'm doing currently.
@@ROFLMAOwithExtraCheese Hard to know, but I think it's a software/driver issue. When connecting a Bluetooth controller it does not have the issues so my bet is a driver issue.
Many thanks for the super informative video! do you happen to have a Powkiddy RK2023 as well? do you know if those sticks suffer from cardinal snapping as well? Unfortunately NONE of the reviews i looked up (which must be all of them by now) tested this. I understand that for retro games not much precision is required, but i'd love to use the retro handheld for game streaming as well...
I was worried about the analog issues as I am a big fan of racing games. But the swap does not seem to be all to difficult at all (this seems to be much easier than compared to a DS). Still seems to be a well worth while purchase considering I got it for half price and this being the only necessary thing and turning out not being so necessary still makes it good.
The d-pad quality control is kinda all over the place. However, there is a lot of info out there of ways people recommend tweaking it. It would be better for them to just do better in the first place.
Awesome video and analysis! I thought it would be harder to replace the joystick, thanks to you, now I feel I can do it!. I just have the question about which model of GuliKit joystick will work? The ones that are made for switch?
@@ondrejkipila1072 its so weird, what would cause that? with various operation systems out there, it cant be software, with various sticks that clearly work differently in other hardware, it mostly should not be the sticks? so is there hardware on the board intercepting the signals forcing them into 8 direction conformity?
Hey can you do a video explaining how to properly set up the RG35XX H as a couch co-op console? I'm having a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to configure the HDMI aspect ratio and how to set up multiple controllers using either USB or Bluetooth Thank you very much for the quality content you put out
@@PhyrexTechs That would be awesome! I'm specially interested in connecting controllers via USB to avoid input lag, but most of my controllers seems to not be supported by the OS or the device seems unable to provide the correct power for the controller to work
Good news, Gamma the creator of GammaOS has fixed the issue and released the fix. CFW should start coming out with updates that include the fix. muOS should have it in the next update.
After testing it out for a bit, It has a bit of snapping but not nearly as bad as the 35XX-h. I am able to at lease get the input to be detected between the cardinal direction unlike the 35XX-h. However, it is not as good at the 405m. I have heard rumors of these hall effect sticks fixing this issue for the RG556. Looks like I will have to take them from the 35XX-H and put them in the 556 to test this out.
I just swapped my sticks and now the sticks don't work at all. I'm not sure if I broke the port or simply didn't plug them in all of the way because no matter how hard I tried they just wouldn't go in all the way, but either way I think I'm just gonna save for a bit and get the 405m.
If you want to check something make sure that the shiny part of the ribbon cable for the sticks are facing up. 405m has great sticks. I'm gonna be swapping the sticks on the RG556 at some point also.
With the fix of this issue having been developed and soon to be released in the next muOS and Knulli updates. I still think this is the best budget horizontal handheld at this price range. I have not been able to test the fix yet myself but I will as soon as I get my hands on it.
Which tool you used for the on 1:21? I've just got mine (I'll probably sell it, got the Trimui Smart Pro as well and will probably use it), and I'm not sure if it's just me being a newbie, but I think it's working better on my PSP thumbstick test.
It was the PPSSPP control debug overlay While running a PSP game open the PPSSPP Settings Then navigate to:Settings > Graphics > Debug Overlay > Control Debug
I think you are commenting on the effect of running the game using the Rice GFX plugin. It adds many visual artifacts to the game and looks much worse, but for the RG35XX-H, that is the only way to get a lag-free experience for many N64 games. I'm not a fan of the Rice GFX plugin's visual artifacts, which is why I normally stick with my RG405m for N64 games. But others use it to play N64 games on this handheld. There have been many questions and rumors about this device's analog stick issue, so I wanted to make this video to clarify some things. This was the best game I could think of to show the problem, visual artifacts aside.
I agree, for this device it's not that big of an issue with the games that most people will be playing, PS1 and lower. I have no issue with the analog sticks themselves, if they actually worked properly for games that need them. But this video shows that the analogs are not the problem, it's a software or driver issue with the device.
That is what I thought at first, but if that was the case then the input would either be on or off ( 0 or 100 ) but when I tested it you can see that it does read the inputs as analog but just with heavy snapping and sloppy input handling.
I dont get why youd get a 35xx h and then pay $20 for better sticks and the trouble of changing them when you could just get a better device for the price difference, like a retroid pocket 2s
RP2S is amazingly ugly. It is large and the small screen in such a large device looks ridiculous. But yes, it is of much higher quality and more convenient in terms of hardware...
Yeah... I feel the same way. At least with this one Gamma OS is in the works and they already have a analog stick fix for it working. github.com/TheGammaSqueeze/Bootloader_Unlock_Anbernic_T820/releases/tag/analog_fix Going to wait for the full release before making a video on it.
Finally a fix has been developed for the 35xxh analogs.🎉
By no other than Gamma the creator of GammaOS. I hope this starts making its way into CFWs soon.
x.com/TheGammaSqueeze/status/1820112844949496101
After testing the update with the fix and the Guli kit sticks I had in the video I do NOT recommend them.
I found that they have 0 deadzone and will have stick drift. Some people have recommended the RGEEK Joycons but I have not tested them yet.
haii may i know how to install into Stock OS ? thanks in advance
@@yudhashira370 it will most likely be included in os updates.
It's included in the New MuOS version :D
How about an update on this video
Fixed in official release 1.1.8. :-)
Thanks for testing this. You've probably saved loads of people time and money for minimal improvement over the stock ones. 👍🏻
Thank you for actually documenting on video what the change is actually like. Disappointing but finally puts this issue to rest since no one who claimed swapping the sticks helped was willing to record it.
Yeah, I was hoping it did work but glad I could get this information out there.
Anbernic told me to swap my left stick with the right stick two days ago :(
You can use the white foam cutout that came with the device to place on top of while disassembling.
Good idea! Thanks for the tip.
Excellent testing and analysis
Thanks, Glad you liked it!
I replaced the gulikit on my 405v which suffer from same problem, the result is the same with more problem on right analog can't reach full range when press left. I think it's depend on the software as well. Gamma os don't have the analog calibration so I end up put the stock ones back in. PS. Thanks for informative video.
Hey, thanks. Good to know!
Question: if you connect (bluetooth or otg) a controller to this device, do you have more natural reactions for the analogs?
Good question! I should have put that in the video. I just tested it with a 8Bitdo controller and the analogs worked perfectly.
@@PhyrexTechs Perfect, thanks for following up 😉👍
The hall sticks need to be calibrated to be able to work properly. Not sure if there's a way to do that in the stock frimaware though.
Yeah, I could not find a way to do this. If anyone learns of a way let me know.
gulikits are meant to be calibrated out of the box
This really good to know. We need more videos like this. Now, I don’t know, but I thought once you put sticks into something that there would be some sort of calibration? And maybe not. So can we assume that the handheld isn’t reading right?
These sticks are supposed to be calibrated after install. However this device does not have a tool to do that.
I would have expected a larger change even without calibration if it was just the sticks. So my vote is that it's something on the software/driver side.
I swapped sticks about 2 weeks ago honestly its a marginal improvement idk it depends if its worth 20 bucks to you and your time taking it apart etc. To me yeah i like the idea of future proofing my system with sticks with a less likelyhood to develop drift in the future.
Yeah, everyone is going to have to make the decision for themselves. Avoiding stick drift is a good reason to do it.
Anbernic told me to try swapping my sticks... Guess I'll try it
I love my 353P but it has Switch style analog sticks which will eventually breakdown… I wonder if the ones from the 353M could be migrated to the 353P
Thanks for your sacrifice.
Very informative video, thank you!
You're very welcome!
Great video! Quick question, what camera and mic do you use to make these videos? Do you record footage then voiceover it, or talk live as you record? Thanks!
Thanks! I use my Pixel 8 phone to record the video. I use a Sure SM7B for the audio. I write a script then record the audio and video separately then edit them together. I'm still learning and experimenting but that is what I'm doing currently.
Thank you for making this video!
My pleasure!
What a great video, hopefully there will be a patch to make the analog sticks true analog or we can find a hardwear replacement
Yeah, I hope so too.
Thanks for this video. I was wondering the same.
Glad to help!
@@PhyrexTechs Do you think that the sensitivity of the sticks is a software or hardware issue?
@@ROFLMAOwithExtraCheese Hard to know, but I think it's a software/driver issue. When connecting a Bluetooth controller it does not have the issues so my bet is a driver issue.
I have a strong feeling this is a software issue that Anbernic can fix in the firmware
Yeah, I have to agree with you and I hope they figure it out.
Many thanks for the super informative video! do you happen to have a Powkiddy RK2023 as well? do you know if those sticks suffer from cardinal snapping as well? Unfortunately NONE of the reviews i looked up (which must be all of them by now) tested this. I understand that for retro games not much precision is required, but i'd love to use the retro handheld for game streaming as well...
Thanks for watching but I'm sorry I can't help out with the RK2023 as I do not own one.
I was worried about the analog issues as I am a big fan of racing games. But the swap does not seem to be all to difficult at all (this seems to be much easier than compared to a DS). Still seems to be a well worth while purchase considering I got it for half price and this being the only necessary thing and turning out not being so necessary still makes it good.
What about the foam rings that goes under .
Yeah, good catch when I made the video I forgot about the dust covers. You will want to put those on to make sure dust does not get in the device.
The most prominent issue with anbernic devices in general is the d pad....
The d-pad quality control is kinda all over the place. However, there is a lot of info out there of ways people recommend tweaking it. It would be better for them to just do better in the first place.
Awesome video and analysis! I thought it would be harder to replace the joystick, thanks to you, now I feel I can do it!. I just have the question about which model of GuliKit joystick will work? The ones that are made for switch?
Yeah the ones for the switch work. Those are the ones I got.
now i'm really interested how a stick sourced right from an original joycon would handle.
I tried this, the original joycon sticks also have cardinal snapping.
Thanks for letting us know about that.
@@ondrejkipila1072 its so weird, what would cause that? with various operation systems out there, it cant be software, with various sticks that clearly work differently in other hardware, it mostly should not be the sticks?
so is there hardware on the board intercepting the signals forcing them into 8 direction conformity?
I think it might be some type of driver issue but I'm not sure.
Newbie question. What is the used of that right joystick? It seems like I cannot use it in the game.
For most games it will not be set automatically. You can set it to whatever you want in the retroarch settings.
@@PhyrexTechs got it thanks
will you eventually do a 405m full review?
I do plan to do a more in-depth 405m review.
Hey can you do a video explaining how to properly set up the RG35XX H as a couch co-op console?
I'm having a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to configure the HDMI aspect ratio and how to set up multiple controllers using either USB or Bluetooth
Thank you very much for the quality content you put out
Yeah, I can do that. Should be a quick video. I'll try to get to after I finish my current one.
@@PhyrexTechs
That would be awesome!
I'm specially interested in connecting controllers via USB to avoid input lag, but most of my controllers seems to not be supported by the OS or the device seems unable to provide the correct power for the controller to work
@@just_uguhave you tried using something like a magic ns or 8bitdo adapter on it?
Do the replacement sticks feel any less stiff? The stock sticks are a bit firm.
I would say slightly less stiff. Noticable but not a huge difference.
i remember a lot of people complain that gulikit sticks feel too lose, compared to original joycon sticks
The fact that the Improvement was so insignificant has me wonder if the problem even lies in the analog sticks themselves.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
It doesn't! The sticks are bog standard. It's a software issue.
@@CrazyRiverOtter you'd think someone would have resolved this issue by now if it was just software.
Good news, Gamma the creator of GammaOS has fixed the issue and released the fix. CFW should start coming out with updates that include the fix. muOS should have it in the next update.
Did you try to move 405m sticks to 35xxh?
I have not, but I don't think it would make much difference.
@@PhyrexTechs so it is not only stick issue it is also 35xxh board?
@@Stormmover It is either the board or a software/driver issue. Not sure which one.
does the RG556 have the same stick problems? only 8 directions in sticks?
After testing it out for a bit, It has a bit of snapping but not nearly as bad as the 35XX-h. I am able to at lease get the input to be detected between the cardinal direction unlike the 35XX-h. However, it is not as good at the 405m.
I have heard rumors of these hall effect sticks fixing this issue for the RG556. Looks like I will have to take them from the 35XX-H and put them in the 556 to test this out.
@@PhyrexTechs do you know if the RG353P/ps has the same problem too?
@@rorivers180I wonder the same for the RG353VS
I just swapped my sticks and now the sticks don't work at all. I'm not sure if I broke the port or simply didn't plug them in all of the way because no matter how hard I tried they just wouldn't go in all the way, but either way I think I'm just gonna save for a bit and get the 405m.
If you want to check something make sure that the shiny part of the ribbon cable for the sticks are facing up. 405m has great sticks. I'm gonna be swapping the sticks on the RG556 at some point also.
What budget horiz handheld does NOT suffer this issue?
With the fix of this issue having been developed and soon to be released in the next muOS and Knulli updates. I still think this is the best budget horizontal handheld at this price range. I have not been able to test the fix yet myself but I will as soon as I get my hands on it.
Sounds like the problem is in the software/firmware. I wonder if one of the CFWs can address this.
As of right now it is the same across all CFWs. Connected bluetooth controllers don't have any issues.
Which tool you used for the on 1:21? I've just got mine (I'll probably sell it, got the Trimui Smart Pro as well and will probably use it), and I'm not sure if it's just me being a newbie, but I think it's working better on my PSP thumbstick test.
It was the PPSSPP control debug overlay
While running a PSP game open the PPSSPP Settings
Then navigate to:Settings > Graphics > Debug Overlay > Control Debug
That n64 mario was horribly emulated. Isnt there better settings or a better emulator to pick?
I think you are commenting on the effect of running the game using the Rice GFX plugin. It adds many visual artifacts to the game and looks much worse, but for the RG35XX-H, that is the only way to get a lag-free experience for many N64 games. I'm not a fan of the Rice GFX plugin's visual artifacts, which is why I normally stick with my RG405m for N64 games. But others use it to play N64 games on this handheld.
There have been many questions and rumors about this device's analog stick issue, so I wanted to make this video to clarify some things. This was the best game I could think of to show the problem, visual artifacts aside.
Thanks
No problem!
I think switch joycon is enough for budget handheld, if you want better just get highend handheld imo.
I agree, for this device it's not that big of an issue with the games that most people will be playing, PS1 and lower.
I have no issue with the analog sticks themselves, if they actually worked properly for games that need them. But this video shows that the analogs are not the problem, it's a software or driver issue with the device.
@@PhyrexTechs btw thank you for letting us know 👍
Is this problem present in the R36S? I know the RG35XX-H has a lot of other better things, but this seems like a HUGE dealbreaker.
I think I broke mine by overcharging the battery, any advice on fixing it?
Hmm, What kind of issue are you having? Not turning on at all?
I replaced the original sticks with Hall effect sticks for the Switch…
I think the problem is that the analog stick is read as a d pad instead of reading the analog input
That is what I thought at first, but if that was the case then the input would either be on or off ( 0 or 100 ) but when I tested it you can see that it does read the inputs as analog but just with heavy snapping and sloppy input handling.
@@PhyrexTechs oh do the analog sticks work any better on cfw?
In street fighter 2 I can do Ken's fireball but trying to do the big uppercut is almost impossible using the sticks
I normally stick to the D-pad for fighting games so thanks for letting us know about that.
so annoying that the rg556 is almost a perfect device besides the joysticks
I agree. I now have heard mixed reports that replacing the joysticks fix these issues. I will have to try it out.
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I dont get why youd get a 35xx h and then pay $20 for better sticks and the trouble of changing them when you could just get a better device for the price difference, like a retroid pocket 2s
I agree! I saw more people posting about this and it kinda threw me for a loop.
i mean, you still come out about 25 bucks below a retroid 2s, dont you
That’s definitely true, the only reason I went with the 35xx-H was due to them having it on sale for $40 when I got mine
There are some really good deals out there for the 35XXH.
RP2S is amazingly ugly. It is large and the small screen in such a large device looks ridiculous. But yes, it is of much higher quality and more convenient in terms of hardware...
It's most likely a software issue
Yeah, software or a driver issue.
@@PhyrexTechsPlease keep us update if it changes simehow with the newer firmwares!
@@BornIntoThis20 Will do!
oh nooo, RG556 has the same issue with sticks than the RG35XXH! Shameful!
Yeah... I feel the same way. At least with this one Gamma OS is in the works and they already have a analog stick fix for it working.
github.com/TheGammaSqueeze/Bootloader_Unlock_Anbernic_T820/releases/tag/analog_fix
Going to wait for the full release before making a video on it.
@@PhyrexTechs that's pretty cool! Wish Anbernic fixed this for all their devices
@@nihiltube Yeah, I'm glad people like Gamma are around, but we should not have to rely on the community to fix things like this.