Nice review. My observations: 1) obviously too big a trailer for a 1500. People that say otherwise are wrong. 2) the 8L90 is a heavier duty transmission than the 10L80 per GM. It’s rated to handle more power and was meant as a replacement for the 6L90. It had its fair share of issues early on and I guess that scared GM away from putting it in the HDs. I wish they would have but oh well. 3) your transmission complaints about needing another gear are really a problem with the 2.7 engine actually. It just doesn’t have enough HP and that’s why you feel you’re running out of steam. The 10 speed wouldn’t help at all with this because the last several gears are very similar if not identical. What would help is more horsepower however. 4) point 3 is valid for the downshifts too. The 2.7 just doesn’t have enough displacement to give you much engine braking. I had this 8 speed in a truck for 12,000 miles and towed almost the same trailer in a lot worse grades (about half the elevation though) and grade shifting was good with a 5.3. Ultimately though like you said if you have a trailer like this, get an HD.
I disagree that the trailer was too big for a 1500, if you say otherwise, you are wrong. If it's within the GVWR, it's towable It needs a weight distribution hitch to stop swaying.
@@member57 well based off your logic the trailer is too big. It has a 9950 GVWR and that trucks max towing capacity is less than that. Also that trailer has over 1000 pounds of tongue weight, once again exceeding that trucks max rated tongue weight. But I would also say your logic is very flawed. Go ahead try towing a 28’ enclosed trailer with a 1500 at highway speeds and you will see. Weight distribution or not. Go watch JBs video where he pulled the 34’ bumper pull toy hauler with his 3500 SRW. He had a little sway. The reason is because you need a dually with a trailer that size. But I’m sure a max tow 1500 truck would be rated to tow the weight of that toy hauler.
@@matthewanderson9912 I tow a 25' dual axle 9k travel trailer with a 1500. With a weight distribution hitch it does just fine. My hitch weight capacity with the distribution setup is 1500#. I don't need a penis compensator to tow a trailer.
Considering that the trailer weighs nearly twice the weight of the truck and you were hauling a** for towing that much weight, I think the truck did just fine. As you mentioned, using a weight distribution hitch is a very good idea towing that much weight and would have helped with the swaying. You certainly pushed the truck by accelerating hard and driving pretty fast, which is not how most of us will ever tow, but the 2.7 seemed to do well despite being pushed.
Dont know why people hate the 2.7L engine on these trucks, its literally the most reliable engine GM has made since forever lol on paper and with this engine already being out for more then 7 years there a good track record with this engine. Its really the best of both worlds between power and daily use-ability. Good job GM for finally making a good engine. the only problem that i have and that i see Alot is the AFM system… which you can just code out or find an external way to disable that but yeah just change ur oil every 4k miles on this 2.7L engine and do ur maintenance and this thing should last as long as any other high mileage engine thats out there.
I got this truck in LT trim towing my travel trailer that's 4.5k lbs. About 5.5k 6k lbs loaded with a good blue ox weight distribution/sway bar set up. It's drives really good over here in az. got this truck because what I was towing was
I have the 22 gmc sierra elevation 2.7, tow my travel trailer loaded 6k pounds up very steep hills, and it has plenty of torque for towing on highway and up the steep grades maintaining 100km/hr, but it eats through gas on steep grades at about 3000rpms, have the equalizer hitch helps ALOT with sway, but i found on my decents the truck did a fine job, it only downshifted once on a 9% grade. Iverall truck does well considering its a 4 cylinder but could use that bump in HP
I bought a 6.2 in the trail boss. It will pull way more than the rest of truck. I get a lot of sag and sway when I load it close to 10k. I might get a 2500 next.
What is the tongue weight on that trailer? We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss 2.7 with a standard bed pulling a toy hauler fully loaded around 6500 lbs and are going to one about 8400 lbs. We have a WDH and are getting the Curt brake controller and thinking of adding airbags. It has had no problems pulling old toy hauler very pleased.
I pull a 34ft (bumper to hitch) 7k travel trailer with a RCSB 03 4x4 sierra. I'm within all ratings of the truck with a Hensley setup. Zero sway, zero movement.
Soft suspension is taking weight off the front tires so that is why it is swaying. LT tires vs. a P metric tire, a Pmetric will show 100% of the capacity on the side of the tire while a LT tire shows only 75% capacity, We pull a dump trailer and tractor around 9,000 lbs with our 2.7 with no problem. ONe thing we do see vs. a V8 is that you do not have the engine braking out of the 2.7. We prefer to tow with a 2.7 vs. our 5.3.
I have this exact truck but it's a 2022. I love it. I use it for work and it has been awesome. I haven't hooked up trailer yet. But the best things is it's not a ford
The reason it's dancing around is because the front end is missing the down froce because to much weight on the rear end ! You're videos are always great 😮
I have a 24 Silverado 2.7. I’m glad to know I can buy that 8500Lbs cabin cruiser and be able to get it to and from my house and the water, and in and out of the water easily. Won’t be going cross country though. 😂 thanks for the vid.
Bro, you've really got to do this exact same test on the 3.0L mini duromax engine. I know performance -wise, you would get similar results, but MPG is what we all want to know on the 3.0L diesel.
Why wouldn’t you have a weight distribution hitch? Maxing out any truck should that is safe practice. But it seems to be a good platform just need to be smart with it.
That's one thing Ram has going for it is the tow mirrors for the half ton are downsized from the HD ones and don't look that bad when folded in. I have them on my 1500 and are 100% better than the sport mirrors when towing my rv. Funny thing is this truck tows way stronger than my 03 5.3 GMC 3.73 gears. It struggled towing 6K cougar tt on flat ground. This truck would blow right past it especially in the hills.
I think for my use case, this truck is PERFECT. I will tow maybe a small trailer loaded with some lumber. Thats about it. Max speed in my area is 55 and all we have are small hills (west tennessee)
A very nice review. Regarding how the truck handled a huge problem is that you don’t have any WD or sway control in the hitch. Chevy requires WD for that much weight and prudence certainly would demand a solid sway control system. I think both of those would make a huge difference in the handling. I disagree with the pinned comment that the truck wouldn’t benefit from the 10 speed. Look at the huge improvement in performance the 6.6 in the GM HD got going from a 6 to a 10 speed transmission. I defiantly think this engine which makes more torque than the 5.3 would benefit from having the 10 speed allowing it to work its power band a little more efficiently. Going downhill yeah it’s just not a big enough engine to get much compression braking that’s a downside. If I was Chevy I’d be working hard to find some more power in this engine, looking at ways to improve engine braking, and mating it with the 10speed. All while continuing to make sure it’s a rock solid near indestructible example of reliability. My impression is that this engine is a very solid competitor in a half ton truck towing 1/2 ton appropriate size trailers. It should give you a payload advantage over the other engines and being a turbo it will continue to pull strong even at altitude. It’s going to return significantly better fuel economy than the V-8 and based on everything I’ve seen should be a very durable package. Chevy certainly seems to have worked hard to build durability into this engine. If you value economical operation over simple raw power then this may be the gas engine of choice in the GM 1/2 ton trucks.
I wouldn't get the 5.3 due to all the lifter issues. My brothers High Country with the 6.2L is pretty awesome, gets excellent MPG with lot's of power. I bought new 1500's in 91, 95, 98, 2001 with the 5.3l. Had to work hard towing a car hauler and weren't stabile. In 2015, I went to a GMC 2500 with the Duramax and that had nothing but engine and transmission problems. In 2014, I went to RAM 2500 with Cummins. Lot's of power, no issues except for recalls, super stable with great brakes. I wouldn't mind the Chev 1500 with the 4 cyl for none towing use.
Torque is the name of the game. The only engine in Chevy's lineup that will beat this 2.7 turbo 4 is their 6.6 v8 and the big duromax diesel. If chevy doesnt upgrade the torque on the 5.3 v8, they might as well scrap it.
They may scrap it. The verdict is still out. GM has invested BIG money in their next gen small block. So they have something coming perhaps the 5.3 replacement but whatever it is they’re being very hush hush about it.
@jew0182 A straight 6 3.5 or so twin turbo. A standard and a high output version I bet. You watch, I bet im close. If they do a straight 6 high output it will have crazy numbers im sure. Be a while b4 any of that happens.
I think the i4 needs two more cylinders in a row to make for a great truck engine like the Ford 300 and Jeep 4.0 but with twin turbos and direct injection
GM had an I-6 turbo in the works based on this engine, but they recently canceled the program. I think I understand why, since I also found out that they have a brand new V8 engine program they are working on to replace the current 5.3 and 6.2's.
That little 4cyl is damn impressive I literally just bought one with complete hesitation but now I personally think it outperforms every 5.3 I’ve owned and I’ve bought them since 1999 every two or three years I trade so I’ve had plenty hands down that little engine is beast
@@christopherwilson7698 Yeah. I have a 22LTD with the 5.3 and my transmission temps don't seem to get that high but I'm not seeing much of a difference.
What is the max tow weight for this truck to begin with? And for a 8600 lb trailer there should be at least 900 lb on the receiver and definitely be using a WDH, that’s probably why it feels like it’s wandering. Other truck manufacturers say on the receiver and in the manual to use a WDH with over a 5000 lb tow.
It really depends on what youre towing and how much. If you're going to use this truck with this configuration to tow a 6000 lb travel trailer 5x per year on flat roads at low elevation, you're good. Which I think will be most buyers who will be towing. Your test was definitely a bit "overkill" for this truck, which is great! We wanna see it under heavy load. Seeing this makes me comfortable knowing it can handle my personal needs.
Hello. I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4, 7,000lbs) about 3 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV? Thanks.
Do you think I would have a problem pulling a dry weight 6500 lb camper with a 2024 2.7 custom? I’m wanting to upgrade my camper tomorrow and that’s the weight of the one I want.
Nope not at all. I pull a 34’ travel trailer weighing 6700 lbs. I can tow it up to 75 mph. I don’t like to go any faster. I get no sway at all until a tractor trailer goes bye. Or if it windy out. I’m happy with it.
These 2.7 trucks are great for doing simple driving around town.. if you have a handy man/pool service business or pest control as most of those people don’t tow or haul heavy equipment around Possibly even a mobile detail business as the short box configuration can easily fit a decent size water tank and generator for your pressure washer and equipment But for towing it’s not ideal but one better service that differential at the appropriate intervals
Weight distribution hitch would help alot with the stability and sway. Other then that i meam its a tiny motor, as poweful as they are there are some limitations. Great video!
Nice 2.7 review…isn’t this engine in the new Colorado and Canyon? 2023 CANYON Denali or AT4 - they are really hard to find. Would be interested to to if you can find one
I never tow that fast. Bout 60 or 68 if the road is good. If i hit a grade ill bring it down to bout 60 or 55 even in the 1 ton diesel to save a lil fuel. 70 mph is to fast for campers/enclosed trailers. A flat load maybe.
You are right. The suspension is not the right one for towing. This could happen even if you have a bigger truck. The suspension is just too soft. Maybe another test using air helpers or replacing the rear stoppers?
I heard I. Video you put truck in trailer mode. Got to be honest I’ve had all 2500/1500 now with 1500 2.7. I never like the way Chevy engine ran on trailer mode. Pulling 6to7,000 pounds I never go trailer mode. Pulled fine 😁
8 speed for 4 cylinder is more than enough, that thing you're missing at the upper RPM's is an extra 2 or 4 cylinders. It's an impressive engine for what it is but ultimately 2.7 liter is a tiny engine to be towing that much with that good performance. Expecting it to pull like a 5.3 or 6.2 V8 isn't very realistic, even with turbos theres a limit to what you get get out of a 4-banger
The 5.3 isn't going to do any better on this weight. I towed 10k it ran outa steam quicker then I thought. Duramax diesel is needed for this kinda weight.
You should test the 3.0L Duramax I6 and the 6.2L V8, I mainly want to see the 3.0L Diesel with this exact trailer and load, but in a trim with normal set up suspension, so like an LT (LT is the minimum for the diesel engine), and maybe even max trailering pkg
You have the early 2022 which is a extention of 2021 and low on hp and torque, mid year they came out with the 22&1/2 with a high output motor. It has 330 hp and 420:torque this is more than the 5.3.
I hope that GM has a chance to look at this and address the need for a 10 speed and a Turbo version of the Max Tow Pkg as an option for the 2.7 Turbo considering that GM has touted this new Engine for towing.
Surprisingly good fuel economy! It would be interesting to see how much better that load would pull with an equalizer hitch, or other high-quality weight distribution/anti-sway hitch. I agree with you for sure though, no way I want to tow a 9,000 lb trailer of that length without an HD, or at least a standard bed 1500.
I agree GM should have their best transmission (10 speed) in all their trucks, But...I dont think the 10 speed uses all the higher gears while in Tow/Haul?
I think you have towed with a three-quarter ton or larger truck for such a long time it has made you paranoid. Millions of people tow five to nine thousand pound with they're half tons Everyday. Everything that you are describing is what we're used to you're just not used to it and I think it's freaking you out. Lol
Agreed, here in Scotland we only get mid sized trucks which can tow 3500kg (7800lb) with mechanical braking and we have some of the steepest windiest roads in Europe. Towing maxed out in a mid sized you do feel the sway but you just keep it bellow 60mph and use common sense. Also all pickups sold in Europe come with 2L I4 turbo diesel engines which I would take any day over that 2.7L.
I have certainly towed with both, and I far prefer an HD to tow with for a trailer this size/weight range as opposed to a half-ton with a short bed. Not that it can't be done safely (mostly) with a half-ton, but I have had far less white-knuckle time towing with an HD as compared to a half-ton.
Towing above 75% rated capacity is a lot more tiring. Anyone who is towing that much more than three or four times a year should move to a larger truck. It's worth it for the extra safety margin alone. Add in the fact that the HD truck will take the wear and tear a lot better than a half ton. Half tons are not sprung for comfortably towing more than 6,500 to 7,000 lbs.
I assume you have the stock Rancho shocks which are junk, even without a trailer. Install the Bilstein 5100's and all the suspension problems disappear. Too bad GM skimped on the shocks (and brakes).
It's not that it's a 4 cylinder that it only has so much acceleration on tap fully loaded - it's the HP. It can tow that max, that doesn't mean it's going to be the best for a 9k trailer. Anybody towing that much regularly is going to want an HD.
Likely the next upgrade to the 2.7L performance envelope by GM will be to increase the top end horsepower. GM likely focused on 430 ft lbs of torque at low end to prove to a doubting public that the turbo 2.7L inline 4 could even out-grunt the 5.3L V8. The 2.7L turbo already has considerably more low-end grunt than the 5.3L V8. All that needs to be done is to open up the top end towards 350-400HP. If GM increases the Inline 4's displacement to 3 L or 3.5 L, GM's inline 4 would eat Ford's 3.5L turbo V6 for lunch! And an inline 4 of 3.5 L would have bigger pistons than a 3.5L V6 and that would make for a faster torque rise for even better low-end grunt at lower RPM than the 3.5L V6. Plus the inline 4 of 3.5L would have a much tougher stouter bottom end than the weaker design V6. A 3.5 L inline 4 has the same bottom end, crankshaft strength and 5 main bearings of a 7.0 L V8, while a 3.5L V6 has the bottom end of a 1.75L 3 cylinder and only 4 main bearings. A inline 4 of 3.5L would be a much stronger engine design than a 3.5L V6 .
I’m a ford guy now but I’ve had a 98silvy, a 2011sierra 6.2 and a vette. If you think GM is gonna improve any further on this 2.7 you’re a more positive guy than most. For whatever reason, they are still trotting out the 5.3L. GM moves at their own pace, and I suppose after the bailout and the epa regulations they have to. Idk man. I don’t see them giving the 3.5eco a run for it’s money(especially not the high output 3.5) with the 2.7 at any point moving forward. I’d like to see it though! Competition is good for all of us truck drivers.
@@TheYoungjames22 You are probably correct in your GM assessment, which would be an absolute shame. This 2.7 L turbo 4 is a great platform to build on, if GM would just do it. On displacement alone increasing to a 3.5 L 4-cylinder would bump torque to around 560 ft lbs just for a start. I've driven the Ford Ranger 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo fairly extensively now, and that is an impressive engine and drive train at the stock levels of 270 HP and 310 ft lbs of torque using 86 octane fuel. Ford has a winner in that 2.3. for sure. The Ford upgrade to the 2.3, requires 90 octane use, but bumps the figures to around 330 HP and 360 ft lbs of torque, with the torque curve bumping up to high levels around 340+ ft lbs just off idle, making that 2.3 a genuine torque monster in its own right. Ford would be well advised to move away from the V6 turbos toward inline 4's of same displacement because the inline 4 is mechanically a much stouter engine at the same displacement as a V6.
If you are going to tow a 9,000 lbs trailer. You should buy a 2500. A few people out here can't drive a pickup truck without the trailer. I drive a semi and I never see a 3/4 ton truck pulling a trailer sitting in a ditch. 12:20 You are talking about something you don't understand. The 2.7 make more torque than the 5.3. The v8 is not going to pull better going up a hill. There is replacement for displacement, it's called boost.
This engine supposedly mimics the diesel. I guess that is true. While a diesel can haul SO much weight, they cannot always do it “fast”. Semis will pull 85k lbs up a mountain, but at 25mph. I have to think that is due to relatively low HP. HP is basically the rate/speed at which the work (torque) can be done. I doubt at 75 mph towing, this will do no better than my v8.
Judging by the way you're spinning the tires taking off gm must not be lying the about the 430 ft lb of torque between 1,500 and 4,000 RPMs and why does it need a downshift if you have that much torque in that power band it has 30 less foot pounds and the 6.2 at a lower RPM
I own one of these.. The problem with this setup is this is such a long stroke motor that it falls on its face above 4500RPM. They need to tune the trans to shift sooner with high and wide open throttle. When you back off the throttle to shift sooner it gets back in the boost and pulls much harder. Anything above 4500rpm is useless. It is designed to perform like a diesel.
Yep, I just towed a 6200 dry rv that’s probably close to 7200 loaded 500 miles and the truck def pulls so much better under those rpms, it just chugs along
Problem is thst people have wrong expectations. First did you see that semis acceleration from 0-60 in 10 seconds or what ever, or is that timing is really important in towing. Absolutely not. Semi's acceleration probably slower then this pickup, but more important they can both tow in own category. Second tow smart not over 60 mph , safety first. And yes you can tow 9000 pounds with 1/2 but then depends from trailer length too. More then 30ft you will need 3/4 pickup. That engine is working fine for ehat is designed just people trying to be smart and overload the vehicle like in this situation.
That trucks suspension and tires towing is kinda like, Can a wrench 🔧 be used as a hammer 🔨 ya But…the motor I ❤ I pulled 12,000lbs with my crew cab LT 4x4 thru Pennsylvania mountains without a problem at ALL your truck choice sucked not the engine or transmission that 4cyl Will out pull a 5.3 everyday in everyway anywhere hands down I should know I’ve owned 5 new 5.3 with 3:42/3:73 extended cab and crew cabs all brand new so please my friend your review was and is completely Bias.
I have owned this truck and powerplant for years. I have towed max a lot through hills and mountains. This engine hates ethanol fuel , so don't run it and is a totally different truck using premium. If you are towing with this engine, make sure to run it out of lower octane gas and fill it up with premium. Run it on premium for at least 100 miles before towing so it can learn and self tune. When you run premium and tow you get a lot more power out of the engine. It is good at adapting to the fuel you are running but you do lose a little mpg and power running lower grade fuel. Again, I would warn against running ethanol gas of any grade in this truck. I run a stripped down custom Silverado in the most basic pkg but have the double cab with 6.5 foot bed. Mine has the brake controller built in. It tows better than some of my older V8 s.
They have not sold well, peeps are opting for the eight cylinder. Vehicle has more plastic than ever. The oil pan is plastic with a turbo. You’re bound to have problems. Long term. Like to see 200k on this engine, to early to tell
I am sorry boys and girls, say what you want, the only 4 cylinder I will tow with a is 4BT. Love the technology and such, but time and history has proved that when you are stressing out a mechanical item, it will not last as long as a non-stressed item. Yeh, I know that I will hear that mine has 150,000 already with no problems, glad to hear that Bud.
Nice review. My observations:
1) obviously too big a trailer for a 1500. People that say otherwise are wrong.
2) the 8L90 is a heavier duty transmission than the 10L80 per GM. It’s rated to handle more power and was meant as a replacement for the 6L90. It had its fair share of issues early on and I guess that scared GM away from putting it in the HDs. I wish they would have but oh well.
3) your transmission complaints about needing another gear are really a problem with the 2.7 engine actually. It just doesn’t have enough HP and that’s why you feel you’re running out of steam. The 10 speed wouldn’t help at all with this because the last several gears are very similar if not identical. What would help is more horsepower however.
4) point 3 is valid for the downshifts too. The 2.7 just doesn’t have enough displacement to give you much engine braking. I had this 8 speed in a truck for 12,000 miles and towed almost the same trailer in a lot worse grades (about half the elevation though) and grade shifting was good with a 5.3.
Ultimately though like you said if you have a trailer like this, get an HD.
But he got good MPGS 😂
@@supporterofsanity lol. True facts.
I disagree that the trailer was too big for a 1500, if you say otherwise, you are wrong. If it's within the GVWR, it's towable It needs a weight distribution hitch to stop swaying.
@@member57 well based off your logic the trailer is too big. It has a 9950 GVWR and that trucks max towing capacity is less than that. Also that trailer has over 1000 pounds of tongue weight, once again exceeding that trucks max rated tongue weight.
But I would also say your logic is very flawed. Go ahead try towing a 28’ enclosed trailer with a 1500 at highway speeds and you will see. Weight distribution or not. Go watch JBs video where he pulled the 34’ bumper pull toy hauler with his 3500 SRW. He had a little sway. The reason is because you need a dually with a trailer that size. But I’m sure a max tow 1500 truck would be rated to tow the weight of that toy hauler.
@@matthewanderson9912
I tow a 25' dual axle 9k travel trailer with a 1500. With a weight distribution hitch it does just fine. My hitch weight capacity with the distribution setup is 1500#. I don't need a penis compensator to tow a trailer.
That's a 3/4 ton trailer. Not bad at all. The 2.7 did excellent for the parachute it had behind it. And a trail boss non the less. Very good!
Considering that the trailer weighs nearly twice the weight of the truck and you were hauling a** for towing that much weight, I think the truck did just fine. As you mentioned, using a weight distribution hitch is a very good idea towing that much weight and would have helped with the swaying. You certainly pushed the truck by accelerating hard and driving pretty fast, which is not how most of us will ever tow, but the 2.7 seemed to do well despite being pushed.
Hauling a 9k parachute it did great. We're just spoiled with ridiculous HP. No way I would haul max load without bars.
Man, I love your channel. This is the channel I turn to for everything towing and payload ratings.
9.1 MPG after those pulls with that much weight seems pretty awesome IMO. That's a BIG, non-aerodynamic trailer for that truck.
If you watched till the end his mpg was 11.4
If you’re doing something like that to economy is not a concern. This is a shit engine that won’t make it past 100k
@@halogod0298 There are many that already have. Thing is built like a tank. A small tank mind you…
@@halogod0298just past 120k half of it pulling 5k. No issues but nice try comment
Dont know why people hate the 2.7L engine on these trucks, its literally the most reliable engine GM has made since forever lol on paper and with this engine already being out for more then 7 years there a good track record with this engine. Its really the best of both worlds between power and daily use-ability. Good job GM for finally making a good engine. the only problem that i have and that i see Alot is the AFM system… which you can just code out or find an external way to disable that but yeah just change ur oil every 4k miles on this 2.7L engine and do ur maintenance and this thing should last as long as any other high mileage engine thats out there.
I got this truck in LT trim towing my travel trailer that's 4.5k lbs. About 5.5k 6k lbs loaded with a good blue ox weight distribution/sway bar set up. It's drives really good over here in az. got this truck because what I was towing was
I have the 22 gmc sierra elevation 2.7, tow my travel trailer loaded 6k pounds up very steep hills, and it has plenty of torque for towing on highway and up the steep grades maintaining 100km/hr, but it eats through gas on steep grades at about 3000rpms, have the equalizer hitch helps ALOT with sway, but i found on my decents the truck did a fine job, it only downshifted once on a 9% grade. Iverall truck does well considering its a 4 cylinder but could use that bump in HP
I bought a 6.2 in the trail boss. It will pull way more than the rest of truck. I get a lot of sag and sway when I load it close to 10k. I might get a 2500 next.
Wheelbase isn't a problem. Its the setup your using. No bars at 9k? In some states thats illegal.
What are these bars you speak of? I’ve never towed anything so a link to a picture would be nice.
What is the tongue weight on that trailer? We have a 2022 Custom Trail Boss 2.7 with a standard bed pulling a toy hauler fully loaded around 6500 lbs and are going to one about 8400 lbs. We have a WDH and are getting the Curt brake controller and thinking of adding airbags. It has had no problems pulling old toy hauler very pleased.
I pull a 34ft (bumper to hitch) 7k travel trailer with a RCSB 03 4x4 sierra. I'm within all ratings of the truck with a Hensley setup. Zero sway, zero movement.
Soft suspension is taking weight off the front tires so that is why it is swaying. LT tires vs. a P metric tire, a Pmetric will show 100% of the capacity on the side of the tire while a LT tire shows only 75% capacity, We pull a dump trailer and tractor around 9,000 lbs with our 2.7 with no problem. ONe thing we do see vs. a V8 is that you do not have the engine braking out of the 2.7. We prefer to tow with a 2.7 vs. our 5.3.
That's impressive for a 2.7 liter engine. You're talking 15k lbs up a grade. Respectable at the very least.
I have this exact truck but it's a 2022. I love it. I use it for work and it has been awesome. I haven't hooked up trailer yet. But the best things is it's not a ford
The reason it's dancing around is because the front end is missing the down froce because to much weight on the rear end ! You're videos are always great 😮
I have a 24 Silverado 2.7. I’m glad to know I can buy that 8500Lbs cabin cruiser and be able to get it to and from my house and the water, and in and out of the water easily. Won’t be going cross country though. 😂 thanks for the vid.
That truck should have included a weight distribution hitch to prevent the sway.
Bro, you've really got to do this exact same test on the 3.0L mini duromax engine. I know performance -wise, you would get similar results, but MPG is what we all want to know on the 3.0L diesel.
The updated 3.0 would probably be quite a bit better. It makes 495 lb ft
9k is more weight than I would drag behind a half ton.
Agree. Would rather be over-trucked than under-trucked. If I'm going to be towing ~5000lbs regularly, I want a heavier truck.
Yep. The engine can do all the work the truck is suited for
Why wouldn’t you have a weight distribution hitch? Maxing out any truck should that is safe practice. But it seems to be a good platform just need to be smart with it.
That's one thing Ram has going for it is the tow mirrors for the half ton are downsized from the HD ones and don't look that bad when folded in. I have them on my 1500 and are 100% better than the sport mirrors when towing my rv. Funny thing is this truck tows way stronger than my 03 5.3 GMC 3.73 gears. It struggled towing 6K cougar tt on flat ground. This truck would blow right past it especially in the hills.
I think for my use case, this truck is PERFECT. I will tow maybe a small trailer loaded with some lumber. Thats about it. Max speed in my area is 55 and all we have are small hills (west tennessee)
A very nice review.
Regarding how the truck handled a huge problem is that you don’t have any WD or sway control in the hitch. Chevy requires WD for that much weight and prudence certainly would demand a solid sway control system. I think both of those would make a huge difference in the handling.
I disagree with the pinned comment that the truck wouldn’t benefit from the 10 speed. Look at the huge improvement in performance the 6.6 in the GM HD got going from a 6 to a 10 speed transmission. I defiantly think this engine which makes more torque than the 5.3 would benefit from having the 10 speed allowing it to work its power band a little more efficiently.
Going downhill yeah it’s just not a big enough engine to get much compression braking that’s a downside.
If I was Chevy I’d be working hard to find some more power in this engine, looking at ways to improve engine braking, and mating it with the 10speed. All while continuing to make sure it’s a rock solid near indestructible example of reliability.
My impression is that this engine is a very solid competitor in a half ton truck towing 1/2 ton appropriate size trailers. It should give you a payload advantage over the other engines and being a turbo it will continue to pull strong even at altitude. It’s going to return significantly better fuel economy than the V-8 and based on everything I’ve seen should be a very durable package. Chevy certainly seems to have worked hard to build durability into this engine.
If you value economical operation over simple raw power then this may be the gas engine of choice in the GM 1/2 ton trucks.
I wouldn't get the 5.3 due to all the lifter issues. My brothers High Country with the 6.2L is pretty awesome, gets excellent MPG with lot's of power. I bought new 1500's in 91, 95, 98, 2001 with the 5.3l. Had to work hard towing a car hauler and weren't stabile. In 2015, I went to a GMC 2500 with the Duramax and that had nothing but engine and transmission problems. In 2014, I went to RAM 2500 with Cummins. Lot's of power, no issues except for recalls, super stable with great brakes. I wouldn't mind the Chev 1500 with the 4 cyl for none towing use.
The 6.2 engines have the exact same lifter issues not just the 5.3.
Torque is the name of the game. The only engine in Chevy's lineup that will beat this 2.7 turbo 4 is their 6.6 v8 and the big duromax diesel. If chevy doesnt upgrade the torque on the 5.3 v8, they might as well scrap it.
Sorry but the 3.0 Duramax has 305 hp and 495 lb/ft of torque. The prior LM2 version was still great at 277 and 460.
They may scrap it. The verdict is still out. GM has invested BIG money in their next gen small block. So they have something coming perhaps the 5.3 replacement but whatever it is they’re being very hush hush about it.
@jew0182 A straight 6 3.5 or so twin turbo. A standard and a high output version I bet. You watch, I bet im close. If they do a straight 6 high output it will have crazy numbers im sure. Be a while b4 any of that happens.
I think the i4 needs two more cylinders in a row to make for a great truck engine like the Ford 300 and Jeep 4.0 but with twin turbos and direct injection
So basically the Chrysler Hurricane I6.
@@SurelyYewJest that too but it's not on production yet I 🤔
GM had an I-6 turbo in the works based on this engine, but they recently canceled the program. I think I understand why, since I also found out that they have a brand new V8 engine program they are working on to replace the current 5.3 and 6.2's.
@@brandedmcgowan9414 Not in pickups but it's in the Wagoneer models.
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Nice video. It did better than I thought it would, honestly.
That little 4cyl is damn impressive I literally just bought one with complete hesitation but now I personally think it outperforms every 5.3 I’ve owned and I’ve bought them since 1999 every two or three years I trade so I’ve had plenty hands down that little engine is beast
@@christopherwilson7698 Yeah. I have a 22LTD with the 5.3 and my transmission temps don't seem to get that high but I'm not seeing much of a difference.
What was transmission temperature,an did you have a cooler?
What is the max tow weight for this truck to begin with? And for a 8600 lb trailer there should be at least 900 lb on the receiver and definitely be using a WDH, that’s probably why it feels like it’s wandering. Other truck manufacturers say on the receiver and in the manual to use a WDH with over a 5000 lb tow.
It really depends on what youre towing and how much. If you're going to use this truck with this configuration to tow a 6000 lb travel trailer 5x per year on flat roads at low elevation, you're good. Which I think will be most buyers who will be towing.
Your test was definitely a bit "overkill" for this truck, which is great! We wanna see it under heavy load. Seeing this makes me comfortable knowing it can handle my personal needs.
Hello. I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4, 7,000lbs) about 3 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV? Thanks.
I've towed a 4500lb dry weight trailer no problem. Just bought a 5500lb toy hauler trailer but yet to pick it up so curious on how it will be.
I’m at 6700 lbs. no issues. I think we’re going up to an 8700 travel trailer now.
Love your videos, thanks for making them
Do you think I would have a problem pulling a dry weight 6500 lb camper with a 2024 2.7 custom? I’m wanting to upgrade my camper tomorrow and that’s the weight of the one I want.
Nope not at all. I pull a 34’ travel trailer weighing 6700 lbs. I can tow it up to 75 mph. I don’t like to go any faster. I get no sway at all until a tractor trailer goes bye. Or if it windy out. I’m happy with it.
You're missing a Sway bar. That's why it's swaying. I tow max on mine without issues. I have 3.0 duramax on mine, plenty of power
These 2.7 trucks are great for doing simple driving around town.. if you have a handy man/pool service business or pest control as most of those people don’t tow or haul heavy equipment around
Possibly even a mobile detail business as the short box configuration can easily fit a decent size water tank and generator for your pressure washer and equipment
But for towing it’s not ideal but one better service that differential at the appropriate intervals
Weight distribution hitch would help alot with the stability and sway. Other then that i meam its a tiny motor, as poweful as they are there are some limitations. Great video!
Nice 2.7 review…isn’t this engine in the new Colorado and Canyon?
2023 CANYON Denali or AT4 - they are really hard to find. Would be interested to to if you can find one
People's expectations to tow anything at 80MPH all the time are getting ridiculous.
I never tow that fast. Bout 60 or 68 if the road is good. If i hit a grade ill bring it down to bout 60 or 55 even in the 1 ton diesel to save a lil fuel. 70 mph is to fast for campers/enclosed trailers. A flat load maybe.
You are right. The suspension is not the right one for towing. This could happen even if you have a bigger truck. The suspension is just too soft. Maybe another test using air helpers or replacing the rear stoppers?
Really want to see you test 5.3 with 10 speed
And pull the same exact load
I heard I. Video you put truck in trailer mode. Got to be honest I’ve had all 2500/1500 now with 1500 2.7. I never like the way Chevy engine ran on trailer mode. Pulling 6to7,000 pounds I never go trailer mode. Pulled fine 😁
Man you can hear it Working it butt off
8 speed for 4 cylinder is more than enough, that thing you're missing at the upper RPM's is an extra 2 or 4 cylinders. It's an impressive engine for what it is but ultimately 2.7 liter is a tiny engine to be towing that much with that good performance. Expecting it to pull like a 5.3 or 6.2 V8 isn't very realistic, even with turbos theres a limit to what you get get out of a 4-banger
They pull better than a 5.3.....
The 5.3 isn't going to do any better on this weight. I towed 10k it ran outa steam quicker then I thought. Duramax diesel is needed for this kinda weight.
@@clayster89still wouldn’t own one.
Seems like it would be a fantastic engine for the Colorado
Great Video, it was entertaining 👍👍
You need a Weight Distribution hitch and Sway control
You should test the 3.0L Duramax I6 and the 6.2L V8, I mainly want to see the 3.0L Diesel with this exact trailer and load, but in a trim with normal set up suspension, so like an LT (LT is the minimum for the diesel engine), and maybe even max trailering pkg
The 3.0 Duramax would probably approach twice the mileage of that 2.7 4 cylinder towing that load.
@@edwardpate6128 for sure
You have the early 2022 which is a extention of 2021 and low on hp and torque, mid year they came out with the 22&1/2 with a high output motor. It has 330 hp and 420:torque this is more than the 5.3.
Dam 212 temperature fluid dam that’s too hot
Sounds like a lot of tire squish in the back, 10 ply tires would help.. but there’s a trade-off in fuel consumption & ride.
Yeah, this engine deserves the 10 speed. Also maybe even a hybrid set up like the powerboost F-150 would work well with this 2.7 I-4.
Need to see the Ford 2.7 now for comparison.
thanks JB. could you do a video on all the differences between 3/4 ton and one ton on all the brands?
I think a weight distribution and sway control system would have helped a lot.
I read that gm revised the 8 speed for 2024
What if your just towing a trailer with a 4 seater canam? Or is it just best to get the 5.3 liter?
Wouldn't notice that much at all.
I hope that GM has a chance to look at this and address the need for a 10 speed and a Turbo version of the Max Tow Pkg as an option for the 2.7 Turbo considering that GM has touted this new Engine for towing.
Surprisingly good fuel economy! It would be interesting to see how much better that load would pull with an equalizer hitch, or other high-quality weight distribution/anti-sway hitch. I agree with you for sure though, no way I want to tow a 9,000 lb trailer of that length without an HD, or at least a standard bed 1500.
Nice 4 banger is amazing.
I agree GM should have their best transmission (10 speed) in all their trucks, But...I dont think the 10 speed uses all the higher gears while in Tow/Haul?
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If possible, please post more videos of the Silverado 1500 2.7l, 4-cylinder truck pulling an RV trailer.
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I think you have towed with a three-quarter ton or larger truck for such a long time it has made you paranoid. Millions of people tow five to nine thousand pound with they're half tons Everyday. Everything that you are describing is what we're used to you're just not used to it and I think it's freaking you out. Lol
Agreed, here in Scotland we only get mid sized trucks which can tow 3500kg (7800lb) with mechanical braking and we have some of the steepest windiest roads in Europe. Towing maxed out in a mid sized you do feel the sway but you just keep it bellow 60mph and use common sense. Also all pickups sold in Europe come with 2L I4 turbo diesel engines which I would take any day over that 2.7L.
I have certainly towed with both, and I far prefer an HD to tow with for a trailer this size/weight range as opposed to a half-ton with a short bed. Not that it can't be done safely (mostly) with a half-ton, but I have had far less white-knuckle time towing with an HD as compared to a half-ton.
Towing above 75% rated capacity is a lot more tiring. Anyone who is towing that much more than three or four times a year should move to a larger truck. It's worth it for the extra safety margin alone. Add in the fact that the HD truck will take the wear and tear a lot better than a half ton. Half tons are not sprung for comfortably towing more than 6,500 to 7,000 lbs.
How were the brakes with all that weight?
I assume you have the stock Rancho shocks which are junk, even without a trailer. Install the Bilstein 5100's and all the suspension problems disappear. Too bad GM skimped on the shocks (and brakes).
Any of these newer trucks are not going to let you get into the top gears while in tow mode because they are overdrive gears.
"No replacement for displacement"- Carol Shelby-
Great video keep them coming
It's not that it's a 4 cylinder that it only has so much acceleration on tap fully loaded - it's the HP. It can tow that max, that doesn't mean it's going to be the best for a 9k trailer. Anybody towing that much regularly is going to want an HD.
Titan does convex on both sides. They work pretty good.
I have a Trailboss with the longer wheelbase, I like the look of the shorter bed but needed the longer bed
The foot longer bed does not lengthen the wheelbase
@@nickanderson5825 there’s a 147 and 157, I have the 157 wheelbase
Good Video
Likely the next upgrade to the 2.7L performance envelope by GM will be to increase the top end horsepower. GM likely focused on 430 ft lbs of torque at low end to prove to a doubting public that the turbo 2.7L inline 4 could even out-grunt the 5.3L V8. The 2.7L turbo already has considerably more low-end grunt than the 5.3L V8. All that needs to be done is to open up the top end towards 350-400HP. If GM increases the Inline 4's displacement to 3 L or 3.5 L, GM's inline 4 would eat Ford's 3.5L turbo V6 for lunch! And an inline 4 of 3.5 L would have bigger pistons than a 3.5L V6 and that would make for a faster torque rise for even better low-end grunt at lower RPM than the 3.5L V6. Plus the inline 4 of 3.5L would have a much tougher stouter bottom end than the weaker design V6. A 3.5 L inline 4 has the same bottom end, crankshaft strength and 5 main bearings of a 7.0 L V8, while a 3.5L V6 has the bottom end of a 1.75L 3 cylinder and only 4 main bearings. A inline 4 of 3.5L would be a much stronger engine design than a 3.5L V6 .
I’m a ford guy now but I’ve had a 98silvy, a 2011sierra 6.2 and a vette. If you think GM is gonna improve any further on this 2.7 you’re a more positive guy than most. For whatever reason, they are still trotting out the 5.3L. GM moves at their own pace, and I suppose after the bailout and the epa regulations they have to. Idk man. I don’t see them giving the 3.5eco a run for it’s money(especially not the high output 3.5) with the 2.7 at any point moving forward. I’d like to see it though! Competition is good for all of us truck drivers.
@@TheYoungjames22 You are probably correct in your GM assessment, which would be an absolute shame. This 2.7 L turbo 4 is a great platform to build on, if GM would just do it. On displacement alone increasing to a 3.5 L 4-cylinder would bump torque to around 560 ft lbs just for a start. I've driven the Ford Ranger 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo fairly extensively now, and that is an impressive engine and drive train at the stock levels of 270 HP and 310 ft lbs of torque using 86 octane fuel. Ford has a winner in that 2.3. for sure. The Ford upgrade to the 2.3, requires 90 octane use, but bumps the figures to around 330 HP and 360 ft lbs of torque, with the torque curve bumping up to high levels around 340+ ft lbs just off idle, making that 2.3 a genuine torque monster in its own right. Ford would be well advised to move away from the V6 turbos toward inline 4's of same displacement because the inline 4 is mechanically a much stouter engine at the same displacement as a V6.
If you are going to tow a 9,000 lbs trailer. You should buy a 2500. A few people out here can't drive a pickup truck without the trailer. I drive a semi and I never see a 3/4 ton truck pulling a trailer sitting in a ditch.
12:20 You are talking about something you don't understand. The 2.7 make more torque than the 5.3. The v8 is not going to pull better going up a hill. There is replacement for displacement, it's called boost.
This engine supposedly mimics the diesel. I guess that is true. While a diesel can haul SO much weight, they cannot always do it “fast”. Semis will pull 85k lbs up a mountain, but at 25mph. I have to think that is due to relatively low HP. HP is basically the rate/speed at which the work (torque) can be done.
I doubt at 75 mph towing, this will do no better than my v8.
Judging by the way you're spinning the tires taking off gm must not be lying the about the 430 ft lb of torque between 1,500 and 4,000 RPMs and why does it need a downshift if you have that much torque in that power band it has 30 less foot pounds and the 6.2 at a lower RPM
Do it again when it has 100,000 miles on it.
Why? Honest question
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Well when you max out towing capacity on a truck you'll wear the truck quick.
I own one of these.. The problem with this setup is this is such a long stroke motor that it falls on its face above 4500RPM. They need to tune the trans to shift sooner with high and wide open throttle. When you back off the throttle to shift sooner it gets back in the boost and pulls much harder. Anything above 4500rpm is useless. It is designed to perform like a diesel.
Yep, I just towed a 6200 dry rv that’s probably close to 7200 loaded 500 miles and the truck def pulls so much better under those rpms, it just chugs along
Proper trailer brakes is a requirement when your trailer weighs more than the truck. It’s pushing you.
Chevy has yet to prove they can make a 4 cylinder that last and for the price I’ll pass.
People tow big things with pickups!? Thought coal-rolling was the main activity!
Problem is thst people have wrong expectations. First did you see that semis acceleration from 0-60 in 10 seconds or what ever, or is that timing is really important in towing. Absolutely not. Semi's acceleration probably slower then this pickup, but more important they can both tow in own category. Second tow smart not over 60 mph , safety first. And yes you can tow 9000 pounds with 1/2 but then depends from trailer length too. More then 30ft you will need 3/4 pickup. That engine is working fine for ehat is designed just people trying to be smart and overload the vehicle like in this situation.
The 2.7 did good.I get a 6.2L,3.0L are 6.6 for towing
A 6.2 is what I would use for towing.
For this trailer in the video id go 2500 duramax.
I would use the 3.0 Duramax in the 1/2 tone.
I be damn if I would be in the truck with out load levelers
That trucks suspension and tires towing is kinda like, Can a wrench 🔧 be used as a hammer 🔨 ya But…the motor I ❤ I pulled 12,000lbs with my crew cab LT 4x4 thru Pennsylvania mountains without a problem at ALL your truck choice sucked not the engine or transmission that 4cyl Will out pull a 5.3 everyday in everyway anywhere hands down I should know I’ve owned 5 new 5.3 with 3:42/3:73 extended cab and crew cabs all brand new so please my friend your review was and is completely Bias.
Need to use a weight distribution hitch...
Thanks for the truth....it's a 4 cil....6 L v8 works.
I have owned this truck and powerplant for years. I have towed max a lot through hills and mountains.
This engine hates ethanol fuel , so don't run it and is a totally different truck using premium.
If you are towing with this engine, make sure to run it out of lower octane gas and fill it up with premium. Run it on premium for at least 100 miles before towing so it can learn and self tune. When you run premium and tow you get a lot more power out of the engine.
It is good at adapting to the fuel you are running but you do lose a little mpg and power running lower grade fuel.
Again, I would warn against running ethanol gas of any grade in this truck.
I run a stripped down custom Silverado in the most basic pkg but have the double cab with 6.5 foot bed. Mine has the brake controller built in. It tows better than some of my older V8 s.
There's no replacement for displacement
Needs a little more top end. 350hp would be adequate
They have not sold well, peeps are opting for the eight cylinder. Vehicle has more plastic than ever. The oil pan is plastic with a turbo. You’re bound to have problems. Long term. Like to see 200k on this engine, to early to tell
9000 pounds is about max towing for that truck I definitely wouldn’t be towing that much with a half ton.
I am sorry boys and girls, say what you want, the only 4 cylinder I will tow with a is 4BT. Love the technology and such, but time and history has proved that when you are stressing out a mechanical item, it will not last as long as a non-stressed item. Yeh, I know that I will hear that mine has 150,000 already with no problems, glad to hear that Bud.
Putting too much power through too small an engine these days. It won't last.
Tell that to Ford, the 3.5 has been their towing engine for 12 years.
That poor 4 cyl is screaming for help lol
The power band is 3000-5600.
@@WDunkin ya and it’s screaming for help lol
@@WDunkin ya and it’s screaming for help lol
8:27 : meanwhile, engine was glowing hot at 250F. 😅
The wheelbase is not any longer with a longer bed..
If you got a crew cab with 6 1/2 it would be
9000 pounds is the limit for the 4 cyl
I have one 4 cylinder I would not use that for towing