It’s unfortunate. I know I was one of the more critical voices but I think the issues with their product I pointed out were very fixable and the hope was if they ironed them out, they could’ve offered a solid rifle on their hands. But it seems it was not to be.
@@The_Casual_Collector well PSA has massive QC issues and pioneer is out of business I am trying to decide between Riley defense and Zastava for the M77 because I want the rifle for a DMR and I have heard that with match ammo it can be sub MOA (5/8 of an inch) but also hear from others it’s 4 MOA so idk I need it to be reliably 2 MOA or better
Who will ever forget that old video of Brandon Herrera going there for their range day years ago. As I recall, more than half their rifles didn't function. LMAO
Dang, I hope that it's not true that they are going out. Mine has been quite nice and i haven't had any issues with the 300+ rounds I've put through my sporter so far.
Riley Defense is an American AK manufacturer. They have stepped up a lot and are using forged parts now and I own three of rifles. Not everything is perfect on them, but it's still very good quality on par with Zastava (Serbian) or Curgir (Romanian) made AK's.
Crazy. Was actually planning on buying one of the forged aks. I know people hate on pioneer and other cheap ak makers but i am not the type of person to shoot thousands of rounds. I shoot so sparingly, that the first gun i bought in 2019 doesnt even have 500 rounds through it. So a pioneer al wouldve been perfectly "fine" for me, especially considering 762 is not a cheap round anymore
I hope they come back under the Polish ownership, rebranded and make it known they now only sell the forged series AK. These are a great value and we all love our FORGED series Pioneers.
The owner, when he was at Shot Show was bragging about a military contract they got. Must not have worked out? With F.B Radom switching to focus on the Grot and finishing up government contracts for their Beryl looks like WBP is going to be looking good.
@@PeasantKing-od5lg aww man, I hate it for them. It's unfortunate they lost their jobs, I really think they were turning out some pretty nice products.
Head of the Us office or Poland office. I am on rotation right now in Eìk I plan on going by the Radom office in a couple weeks to see if I can speak to em.
I picked up a forged trunnion Primary Arms 556 Sporter on the 24th from Classic Firearms. $449, plus I paid $23 for CF lifetime warranty. I already have a forged Hellpup in 556 and it's perfect.
I'm not. The gun is perfect as far as I can see. It has the forged trunnion. All the rivets are perfect.Sight is not canted. I won't put thousands of rounds through it, as it's just one of many. II cant tell much difference between my Hellpup and my WBP Mini Jack. @@cercaz
I also sent a rifle in for repair. I asked for an update and was told everyone was fired 9/18/24. I’ve contacted the ATF and Port Orange police but haven’t heard back from either yet. Not sure how to proceed.
@@daveneal456 I am going to their office in Radom in a couple weeks (2) If they let me in or if anyone is still there I will figure it out brother. Shame man I was hoping to buy one when I got back from deployment.
I had no interest in their rifles or any AKM for that matter. They did import briefly a really nice Polish made side by side 12 gauge coach gun built on a 10 gauge frame with exposed hammers, Greener action, no manual safety and 18" barrels. They were high quality and built like a tank. Unfortunately they came and went off the market very quickly. The reviews were impressive. I really wanted one, but luck wasn't on my side.
Tbf, the VP in question personally posts to a Facebook group of Pioneer owners that has barely more than 100 followers… a channel with 2000 subscribers is, if anything, a much bigger audience. Pioneer’s US facility is about the size of two barns, so asking to speak to the VP isn’t exactly like trying to get an interview with Elon Musk.
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Yo fellas i will be in Radom in a couple weeks if they let me in to talk to them i will upload a video for everyone.
@RobertPoyadouxe sweet, thanks for the heads up, hopefully you'll have some info to share.
It’s unfortunate. I know I was one of the more critical voices but I think the issues with their product I pointed out were very fixable and the hope was if they ironed them out, they could’ve offered a solid rifle on their hands. But it seems it was not to be.
lol what if your video was the one that made the Polish owner fly over and fire everyone on the spot..
Riley Defense is made in North Carolina..... PSA in South Carolina..... That's two.... Just saying there is more than just Century.
Is Riley defense good quality though
@lutherpayne9957 very true.
@@TexasNationalist1836 I've heard since they switched to forged trunnions, like PSA and Pioneer, that they're pretty decent.
@@The_Casual_Collector well PSA has massive QC issues and pioneer is out of business I am trying to decide between Riley defense and Zastava for the M77 because I want the rifle for a DMR and I have heard that with match ammo it can be sub MOA (5/8 of an inch) but also hear from others it’s 4 MOA so idk I need it to be reliably 2 MOA or better
M77 nice choice. if you want a roller delay check out ptr heavy but reliable
oh no! not the reformed shambling corpse of I.O. closing shop! how terrible! :/
Ooh were they I.O?
Who will ever forget that old video of Brandon Herrera going there for their range day years ago. As I recall, more than half their rifles didn't function. LMAO
@@TheRange7 where can I find it?
Dang, I hope that it's not true that they are going out. Mine has been quite nice and i haven't had any issues with the 300+ rounds I've put through my sporter so far.
@@DesertMav yep, but it looks like it is...I guess we'll see what happens in the days ahead.
Riley Defense is an American AK manufacturer. They have stepped up a lot and are using forged parts now and I own three of rifles. Not everything is perfect on them, but it's still very good quality on par with Zastava (Serbian) or Curgir (Romanian) made AK's.
Agreed
Don’t compare Curgir to that Riley trash 😂
@@Nobody-rd9obRomanian AK's ain't that special
I am very impressed with Riley's forged AKs. Phenomenal build quality.
@@jasonanderson2403 they don’t blow up like American made AKs
Crazy. Was actually planning on buying one of the forged aks. I know people hate on pioneer and other cheap ak makers but i am not the type of person to shoot thousands of rounds. I shoot so sparingly, that the first gun i bought in 2019 doesnt even have 500 rounds through it. So a pioneer al wouldve been perfectly "fine" for me, especially considering 762 is not a cheap round anymore
@MrFlamethrower32 I agree, check Gun Zone deals, they may still have some.
I hope they come back under the Polish ownership, rebranded and make it known they now only sell the forged series AK. These are a great value and we all love our FORGED series Pioneers.
I heard from somewhere and I just can’t remember where last week or the week before that they were going under.
@@humpy936 interesting, that's more than I knew.
This would also explain why people have been getting guns from them with random groups of accessories lately.
@@farklestaxbaum4945 I think you might be on to something here.
The owner, when he was at Shot Show was bragging about a military contract they got. Must not have worked out? With F.B Radom switching to focus on the Grot and finishing up government contracts for their Beryl looks like WBP is going to be looking good.
could be that they are "closing" but secretly will be a new brand dedicated to military contracts...but I give that about a 1% chance
@Flatline74 interesting, thanks for sharing that. I'm hoping one day to attend Shot Show.
Dang shit quality aks that ride on calling their aks “Radom Poland” is closing cause every 15 rounds it jams? Sad!
I hope it's just reorganizing.
@traviscochran6280 yeah, me too, I hate it for everyone that list their jobs.
They've been done for a few weeks
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I talked to Brian Sullins (head of QC). This is for real unfortunately.
@@PeasantKing-od5lg aww man, I hate it for them. It's unfortunate they lost their jobs, I really think they were turning out some pretty nice products.
they have a QC department? lol
Head of the Us office or Poland office. I am on rotation right now in Eìk I plan on going by the Radom office in a couple weeks to see if I can speak to em.
Not a loss lol
We are losing ak manufacturers and importers at an alarming rate. It is a loss
@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath Not really. PA imported bad aks and made nothing of value.
Hey Casual looks real. Hope not.
@RUSTYSURPLUS yeah, we'll see what happens in the days ahead...
I picked up a forged trunnion Primary Arms 556 Sporter on the 24th from Classic Firearms. $449, plus I paid $23 for CF lifetime warranty. I already have a forged Hellpup in 556 and it's perfect.
I'm sorry for your loss
I'm not. The gun is perfect as far as I can see. It has the forged trunnion. All the rivets are perfect.Sight is not canted. I won't put thousands of rounds through it, as it's just one of many. II cant tell much difference between my Hellpup and my WBP Mini Jack. @@cercaz
@@sarge12212 nice!
I just purchased one on the 20th and hadn’t received an invoice or shipping number. I hope I didn’t get screwed.
Did you get screwed?
Their build quality isn't bad and improved, its more likely new owner has interest rate on leveraged equity vs profits issues.
I just got a pioneer arms not long ago, works great, have about only 300 rounds through it tho
What?! I just sent in a hellpup for repairs. Ive tried to get in touch but nothing any idea whats to come next, am i going to get my gun back?
I also sent a rifle in for repair. I asked for an update and was told everyone was fired 9/18/24. I’ve contacted the ATF and Port Orange police but haven’t heard back from either yet. Not sure how to proceed.
@@daveneal456 do let me know if you get informed how we should proceed with this problem. I would highly appreciate it
@@daveneal456 I am going to their office in Radom in a couple weeks (2) If they let me in or if anyone is still there I will figure it out brother. Shame man I was hoping to buy one when I got back from deployment.
@@modeloman7216 I will let you know boss
Dang that’s a bummer. They had a rocky start but they got it together and put out some awesome rifles for the price.
@@jasonhinds463 yep, exactly
Back to
Mc Donalds😅
Seems fishy
I had no interest in their rifles or any AKM for that matter. They did import briefly a really nice Polish made side by side 12 gauge coach gun built on a 10 gauge frame with exposed hammers, Greener action, no manual safety and 18" barrels. They were high quality and built like a tank. Unfortunately they came and went off the market very quickly. The reviews were impressive. I really wanted one, but luck wasn't on my side.
It gave Polish AKs a bad name. Pioneer gave Century cred their AKs were so lousy. Utter garbage. Good riddance!
You have 2,000 subscribers. Why would a CEO reach out to you, for anything?
Tbf, the VP in question personally posts to a Facebook group of Pioneer owners that has barely more than 100 followers… a channel with 2000 subscribers is, if anything, a much bigger audience. Pioneer’s US facility is about the size of two barns, so asking to speak to the VP isn’t exactly like trying to get an interview with Elon Musk.
@@hobofactory fair enough. Thanks for sharing supporting evidence; I was not aware
There’s a kid on here @GB outdoors with like 300 subs getting products from companies, like scopes, and air rifles lol, if you actually try you’d be surprised
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