I've been thinking I may have a schizoid personality for these last 3 months. I can pretend to be human around others but I feel like a robot wearing human skin. I can totally relate to not feeling human due to lack of emotion. Having constant apathy takes away a big part of being a human; there's nothing to look forward to, nothing to feel excited about and no one to be attached to. So you're just walking through life essentially dissociating. It feels 'bad' to not have 'good' feelings but the 'bad feeling' isn't strong enough to really bring notice let alone looking at your behavior as something needing change.
Can you also expand on how schizoid personality presents in women? And how does schizoid differ from Asperger’s, especially since some of the characteristics associated with Asperger’s overlap with pedantic and monotone delivery? Asperger’s also includes fixations on interests that can overlap with hyperfocus, like with ADHD. But for women with Asperger’s, some of their interests may include fixations on relationships (like fandoms, soap operas, or fictional characters), or non-relational interests like you had mentioned. Women are also taught to value and nurture social relationships to a greater degree than men, and some women with Asperger’s report “masking”, or forcing themselves to assimilate to more typical or socially-oriented interests to fit in or else other women (and men) may socially ostracize or punish them. However, as you had stated, the male characterization of schizoid is someone who outwardly expresses disinterest in relationships. So do schizoid women also present aggression and disinterest with relationships in the same way as males? Or do schizoid women present differently; do they also engage in masking behaviors as a defense mechanism [to hide their actual disinterest in relationships]? The TikTok examples of schizoid celebrities seem to mainly comprise of physicists, writers, artists, and scientists. But how much of the schizo personality type is actually attributed to the isolating nature of professions that require dedicating large chunks of time to a single activity? (Also, some academic research is collaborative. Einstein worked with other physicists and frequently corresponded with other scientists. And Stephen Hawking’s disability increasingly restricted his mobility, which may have attributed to his own social struggles).
I think that many women who are diagnosed with a disorder that presents apathy or anhedonia, mask in most social situations. In my experience as a women (that is really suspecting I have SPD), I act 'normal' around people because it feels like something i have to do in order to get through life that unfortunately requires social interaction. I show affection towards my family and friends but it's because i know it's what they want and expect. I don't have much interest in relationships which is why i haven't dated. But deep down i feel guilty for not being able to really care for others around me. I feel guilty that most of my affection is fake. There's probably a connection to the underlying/constant guilt and growing up with the expectations pushed onto women. As for interests, i've had interests in fictional people that i have never had towards a real person. I really love animals, to the extent that the love i feel for my cat is one of the most intense emotions I've felt. I believe that people with apathy disorders tend to lean towards fictional characters and animals instead of people, due to the unpredictability and possible threats other humans pose. With animals and fictional characters, they are predictable and safe. You don't feel vulnerable around them, free to express emotions without judgement, and therefore no threats. It's a safe space of sorts.
I have SzPD and am a woman. Dr. Kirk would answer your specific questions better as schizoid personality has so many different presentations and lacks research, but I wanted to offer to answer any questions in case you're interested in ancedotal experiences -- speaking to someone who was diagnosed at a young age (19) and has been in weekly therapy for 15+ years for SzPD. I think my perspective is somewhat unique as many schizoids don't seek out or attend therapy. I was only graced with it due to a comorbid PTSD diagnosis. Btw, you ask interesting questions.
@@lyla112_as someone diagnosed, I think your explanation makes sense and sounds similar to mine! The only difference is I don't feel any guilt for my inner personality style and never have, but I guess I never knew (until diagnosed) that most people didn't have the same experience thus had no reason to feel that way. Why do you think you feel that way? That's interesting. I view my style as just an alternative way of relating, although I'm realistic about the way it limits me attachment-wise and seek therapy to further my abilities. But not much emotion around it. I just want to say that being affectionate even when you don't feel like it for social reasons is somewhat normal (not to the level you describe, but that's okay too) and is actually a sign of social intelligence. So, I hope you don't feel too bad because you're just on one end of the spectrum there, you're still human!
@@nullusernamex thank you for the encouragement! The only constant feeling I experience is guilt. It's not intense, it just kind of passes through like a haze. This guilt and shame is of course connected to childhood lol. My father never gave my mother the affection she clearly deserved and wanted. And obviously she was very attached to her children, so when I grew to be not emotionally responsive she seemed to look at me differently and with concern. I feel bad for my mama as she just wants to be loved like she deserves. i think i thought i could fulfill the need my father actively avoided. Now the guilt is just something that resides in me but i know it helped me to have capacity for empathy. I for sure think that the guilt has saved me from becoming an angry and unstable person like daddy, so in a sense i am very thankful for the guilt.
The bit where Dr Honda talks about how schizoid PD can look like a lot of other things underlines the problems with the DSM. It tries to shoehorn traits into narrow, often arbitrary categories. The ICD system (which is used in most countries outside the USA) has abolished all of the old personality disorder categories and replaced them with a dimensional model that records all traits and their severity. The idea being that it gives a much more comprehensive diagnosis and avoids the reductive nature of the DSM.
I dont know if Ive ever seen this as an issue. I think if someone is diagnosing something they’ll research deeper into the issue instead of basing their opinions off of a few sentences. I thought the DSM was supposed to be vague general guidelines/symptoms
Very interesting. As an autistic, I identify with a lot of the characteristics in the fictional person, so I think I’m going to have to become a patron now 😅
Me too 😅 I’m neurodivergent, struggle with CPTSD, and naturally introverted so I’ve fallen in to a bit of a social slump since the pandemic. This diagnosis isn’t fitting for me, but it’s interesting to see a lot of similarities!
I’m curious about this as well. I have adhd and am currently undergoing neuropsych testing (at 38) to confirm/refute my old bipolar diagnosis, checking for autism and trauma conflicts. My father sounds EXACTLY like the first case. My brother is autistic, my other brother was shizoaffective but he did fit the profile for schizoid personality very well. He would not have seen a Dr for it, the schizoaffective after a psychotic, which lead to some trouble with the law (indecent exposure and breaking and entering at his university) and treatment was the condition to avoid criminal charges. My father absolutely would have NOT sought help. He wouldn’t seek help even for physical issues until he was half dead. He was never diagnosed, and absolutely never treated for ANY form of mental conditions. It’s a tossup between autism and schizoid. If it’s autism, then it runs in BOTH sides of my family (my mother’s uncle was autistic, and we have SEVERAL close cousins that are diagnosed with autism.
@@rachelann9362it's been well known for some time that there's often a link between autism and schizoid personality disorder, and that it may not be a personality disorder at all - just autism in some cases. There has also always been a lot of discussion about some of the Cluster A personality disorders, and whether they are simply describing elements of a spectrum towards schizophrenia (we know that schizophrenia and autism, together with bi polar and ADHD are caused by the same genetics, and are sometimes comorbid)
@@CPAndy-x5x and some of us autistics feel intense emotions , looking at a beautiful sunset or a rare bird can bring ntense happiness ,it must suck to never feel emotions.
I done a test 10 years ago that showed I had traits that indicated this disorder, I know that probably I'm somewhere in the spectrum but not problematic enough to be diagnosed... maybe 😅. Now I'm curious to see the deep dive.
I connect with that boy a lot , the way you describe his thoughts is really similar to mine , i got diagnosed with GAD when i was 16 was on med for 2 years , and now wanting to go back and get talk therapy instead
There has been discussion for a very long time, not only about how Schizoid PD may have overlap with autism, but also how Cluster A personalities in general may simply be describing parts of a spectrum with schizophrenia at its far end. We now know that the same genes cause austism, ADHD, bi polar and schizophrenia.
Regarding the client feeling he does not require therapy, Todd Grande says this disorder indeed does not necessarily involve suffering (contrary to Honda's choice of word). As such, classification as disorder, and the need for therapy are both mostly biased by culture. A silent monk is a culturally accepted stoic loner. In case his parents would endorse him and he later finds a job where lonerism is not considered antagonistic, a lifetime of schizoidism may indeed seem to not involve overt conscious suffering, as long as the protective layer over the underlying trauma is kept intact.
Hi Dr. Honda. Have you considered making a deep dive about Chris Chan? There's a lot of information about it online and he became a very strange and socially inept person for being terminally online.
He had a formal diagnosis of Autism and learning difficulties. He'd problems didn't stem from being online although being online and the treatment he received from people online certainly didn't help him.
I do really like this video, I am just not sure if you are right in that schizoid is suffering or is in denial, please let me explain. I think most who is schizoid, do not know they have it, but those who know, are feeling happy and calm, just as an introvert. It feels easy to live because you do not need contact, you do not get sad that often, and the emotional range can be very muted. Maybe should you think of a person with schizoid, as a person who feels great and is enjoying life, so logically is there no reason for seeking help. I assume you feel that your life is somewhat okay, you feel happy and is living as you like. Will you seek help to test if you have some strange disorders, or will you just say that you are okay with the way you are? Maybe even that you know this strange idea you have by never stepping on a white stripe on a crossing. I can understand if it is going to be a disorder (is a problem in the person's life) that a schizoid is going to seek help, but as long one is happy and is not causing any harm, then do I think it is just a personality. :-)
13 minutes in ...this is so much me... / previous me at therapy start.😅😅😅 It is a fictional character to which I am different.... ...but still comes close!! 😅😅
I have a diagnosis of Schizoaffective disorder which is a mix of Bipolar Affective Disorder and Schizophrenia. At age 14 I showed symptoms of A.D.H.D. I was a trainee pilot officer in the RAF then spent 5 years in the French Foreign Legion. I became a financial futures broker and travelled round the world. I have been to 4 Universities and my CV is the largest on Facebook. Bilingual and I got 100% of the questions right at an IQ test and think Psychiatrists should be locked up for peoples safety.
I've been thinking I may have a schizoid personality for these last 3 months.
I can pretend to be human around others but I feel like a robot wearing human skin. I can totally relate to not feeling human due to lack of emotion. Having constant apathy takes away a big part of being a human; there's nothing to look forward to, nothing to feel excited about and no one to be attached to. So you're just walking through life essentially dissociating. It feels 'bad' to not have 'good' feelings but the 'bad feeling' isn't strong enough to really bring notice let alone looking at your behavior as something needing change.
Can you also expand on how schizoid personality presents in women? And how does schizoid differ from Asperger’s, especially since some of the characteristics associated with Asperger’s overlap with pedantic and monotone delivery?
Asperger’s also includes fixations on interests that can overlap with hyperfocus, like with ADHD. But for women with Asperger’s, some of their interests may include fixations on relationships (like fandoms, soap operas, or fictional characters), or non-relational interests like you had mentioned. Women are also taught to value and nurture social relationships to a greater degree than men, and some women with Asperger’s report “masking”, or forcing themselves to assimilate to more typical or socially-oriented interests to fit in or else other women (and men) may socially ostracize or punish them. However, as you had stated, the male characterization of schizoid is someone who outwardly expresses disinterest in relationships. So do schizoid women also present aggression and disinterest with relationships in the same way as males? Or do schizoid women present differently; do they also engage in masking behaviors as a defense mechanism [to hide their actual disinterest in relationships]?
The TikTok examples of schizoid celebrities seem to mainly comprise of physicists, writers, artists, and scientists. But how much of the schizo personality type is actually attributed to the isolating nature of professions that require dedicating large chunks of time to a single activity?
(Also, some academic research is collaborative. Einstein worked with other physicists and frequently corresponded with other scientists. And Stephen Hawking’s disability increasingly restricted his mobility, which may have attributed to his own social struggles).
Very interesting questions idd
I think that many women who are diagnosed with a disorder that presents apathy or anhedonia, mask in most social situations. In my experience as a women (that is really suspecting I have SPD), I act 'normal' around people because it feels like something i have to do in order to get through life that unfortunately requires social interaction. I show affection towards my family and friends but it's because i know it's what they want and expect. I don't have much interest in relationships which is why i haven't dated. But deep down i feel guilty for not being able to really care for others around me. I feel guilty that most of my affection is fake. There's probably a connection to the underlying/constant guilt and growing up with the expectations pushed onto women.
As for interests, i've had interests in fictional people that i have never had towards a real person. I really love animals, to the extent that the love i feel for my cat is one of the most intense emotions I've felt. I believe that people with apathy disorders tend to lean towards fictional characters and animals instead of people, due to the unpredictability and possible threats other humans pose. With animals and fictional characters, they are predictable and safe. You don't feel vulnerable around them, free to express emotions without judgement, and therefore no threats. It's a safe space of sorts.
I have SzPD and am a woman. Dr. Kirk would answer your specific questions better as schizoid personality has so many different presentations and lacks research, but I wanted to offer to answer any questions in case you're interested in ancedotal experiences -- speaking to someone who was diagnosed at a young age (19) and has been in weekly therapy for 15+ years for SzPD. I think my perspective is somewhat unique as many schizoids don't seek out or attend therapy. I was only graced with it due to a comorbid PTSD diagnosis.
Btw, you ask interesting questions.
@@lyla112_as someone diagnosed, I think your explanation makes sense and sounds similar to mine! The only difference is I don't feel any guilt for my inner personality style and never have, but I guess I never knew (until diagnosed) that most people didn't have the same experience thus had no reason to feel that way. Why do you think you feel that way? That's interesting. I view my style as just an alternative way of relating, although I'm realistic about the way it limits me attachment-wise and seek therapy to further my abilities. But not much emotion around it.
I just want to say that being affectionate even when you don't feel like it for social reasons is somewhat normal (not to the level you describe, but that's okay too) and is actually a sign of social intelligence. So, I hope you don't feel too bad because you're just on one end of the spectrum there, you're still human!
@@nullusernamex thank you for the encouragement! The only constant feeling I experience is guilt. It's not intense, it just kind of passes through like a haze. This guilt and shame is of course connected to childhood lol. My father never gave my mother the affection she clearly deserved and wanted. And obviously she was very attached to her children, so when I grew to be not emotionally responsive she seemed to look at me differently and with concern. I feel bad for my mama as she just wants to be loved like she deserves. i think i thought i could fulfill the need my father actively avoided.
Now the guilt is just something that resides in me but i know it helped me to have capacity for empathy. I for sure think that the guilt has saved me from becoming an angry and unstable person like daddy, so in a sense i am very thankful for the guilt.
It sounded like you were describing “Average Redditor”, which is a character from the RUclips channel, Slappable Jerk.
The bit where Dr Honda talks about how schizoid PD can look like a lot of other things underlines the problems with the DSM. It tries to shoehorn traits into narrow, often arbitrary categories. The ICD system (which is used in most countries outside the USA) has abolished all of the old personality disorder categories and replaced them with a dimensional model that records all traits and their severity. The idea being that it gives a much more comprehensive diagnosis and avoids the reductive nature of the DSM.
I dont know if Ive ever seen this as an issue. I think if someone is diagnosing something they’ll research deeper into the issue instead of basing their opinions off of a few sentences. I thought the DSM was supposed to be vague general guidelines/symptoms
@@Sevse-nh3fiit's used like a Bible for some, it's a moral baseboard but for some. Though that's the problem with non inclusive models
Yess! So looking forward to this deep dive!
Very interesting. As an autistic, I identify with a lot of the characteristics in the fictional person, so I think I’m going to have to become a patron now 😅
Me too 😅 I’m neurodivergent, struggle with CPTSD, and naturally introverted so I’ve fallen in to a bit of a social slump since the pandemic. This diagnosis isn’t fitting for me, but it’s interesting to see a lot of similarities!
I’m curious about this as well. I have adhd and am currently undergoing neuropsych testing (at 38) to confirm/refute my old bipolar diagnosis, checking for autism and trauma conflicts.
My father sounds EXACTLY like the first case. My brother is autistic, my other brother was shizoaffective but he did fit the profile for schizoid personality very well. He would not have seen a Dr for it, the schizoaffective after a psychotic, which lead to some trouble with the law (indecent exposure and breaking and entering at his university) and treatment was the condition to avoid criminal charges.
My father absolutely would have NOT sought help. He wouldn’t seek help even for physical issues until he was half dead. He was never diagnosed, and absolutely never treated for ANY form of mental conditions. It’s a tossup between autism and schizoid. If it’s autism, then it runs in BOTH sides of my family (my mother’s uncle was autistic, and we have SEVERAL close cousins that are diagnosed with autism.
Spectrum people have intense hobbies and pursue interests.
@@rachelann9362it's been well known for some time that there's often a link between autism and schizoid personality disorder, and that it may not be a personality disorder at all - just autism in some cases. There has also always been a lot of discussion about some of the Cluster A personality disorders, and whether they are simply describing elements of a spectrum towards schizophrenia (we know that schizophrenia and autism, together with bi polar and ADHD are caused by the same genetics, and are sometimes comorbid)
@@CPAndy-x5x and some of us autistics feel intense emotions , looking at a beautiful sunset or a rare bird can bring ntense happiness ,it must suck to never feel emotions.
Every single thing you listed at the beginning is me lol!!
I can’t stand when people in a conversation don’t get what im getting at & I’m stuck remembering if I even told them about a part they’re missing 😂
I think your dp misrepresents you a little lol
It is so interesting !! thank you very much for posting this
I done a test 10 years ago that showed I had traits that indicated this disorder, I know that probably I'm somewhere in the spectrum but not problematic enough to be diagnosed... maybe 😅. Now I'm curious to see the deep dive.
I connect with that boy a lot , the way you describe his thoughts is really similar to mine , i got diagnosed with GAD when i was 16 was on med for 2 years , and now wanting to go back and get talk therapy instead
Scoring 0 - 40% : Schizoid Personality Disorder is Unlikely
Scoring 41 - 100% : Schizoid Personality Disorder is Likely
Your Total Score: 83.54%
Schizoid Personality Disorder is Likely
I will have to finish the video, I'm wondering if it's a test in the video, or I'll check description links
There has been discussion for a very long time, not only about how Schizoid PD may have overlap with autism, but also how Cluster A personalities in general may simply be describing parts of a spectrum with schizophrenia at its far end. We now know that the same genes cause austism, ADHD, bi polar and schizophrenia.
Regarding the client feeling he does not require therapy, Todd Grande says this disorder indeed does not necessarily involve suffering (contrary to Honda's choice of word). As such, classification as disorder, and the need for therapy are both mostly biased by culture. A silent monk is a culturally accepted stoic loner. In case his parents would endorse him and he later finds a job where lonerism is not considered antagonistic, a lifetime of schizoidism may indeed seem to not involve overt conscious suffering, as long as the protective layer over the underlying trauma is kept intact.
Hi Dr. Honda. Have you considered making a deep dive about Chris Chan? There's a lot of information about it online and he became a very strange and socially inept person for being terminally online.
He had a formal diagnosis of Autism and learning difficulties. He'd problems didn't stem from being online although being online and the treatment he received from people online certainly didn't help him.
I do really like this video, I am just not sure if you are right in that schizoid is suffering or is in denial, please let me explain.
I think most who is schizoid, do not know they have it, but those who know, are feeling happy and calm, just as an introvert.
It feels easy to live because you do not need contact, you do not get sad that often, and the emotional range can be very muted.
Maybe should you think of a person with schizoid, as a person who feels great and is enjoying life, so logically is there no reason for seeking help. I assume you feel that your life is somewhat okay, you feel happy and is living as you like. Will you seek help to test if you have some strange disorders, or will you just say that you are okay with the way you are? Maybe even that you know this strange idea you have by never stepping on a white stripe on a crossing.
I can understand if it is going to be a disorder (is a problem in the person's life) that a schizoid is going to seek help, but as long one is happy and is not causing any harm, then do I think it is just a personality. :-)
Every mental disorder nowadays is accepted. But why does everybody wants to „treat“ people with schizoid PD instead of leaving them as they are?
What resources would you direct a married schizoid to, who wants to be a better husband?
13 minutes in ...this is so much me... / previous me at therapy start.😅😅😅
It is a fictional character to which I am different.... ...but still comes close!! 😅😅
This is exactly like me except the anime and the fact that I really desire relationships (I just can never keep or develop them)
Very well explained.
4 minutes in ...sounds familiar...😅😅😅
I'm back
If youre still seeing that guy ask him if he values human life. He sounds a lot like and and i dont value human life.
The long-e ski really bugs me
Move your mouth to make an eeee sound, and say "ih", as in the word "this". Short greek iota.
Wow this is me.
Just consensus, (I think) lol. You crack me up Dr. Honda. Do you have ADHD I do, and your quirks are very familiar.
Great video thank you so much. It definitely looks like depression, sociopathy, narcissism, autism, adhd...
No
Lord….
I have a diagnosis of Schizoaffective disorder which is a mix of Bipolar Affective Disorder and Schizophrenia. At age 14 I showed symptoms of A.D.H.D. I was a trainee pilot officer in the RAF then spent 5 years in the French Foreign Legion. I became a financial futures broker and travelled round the world. I have been to 4 Universities and my CV is the largest on Facebook. Bilingual and I got 100% of the questions right at an IQ test and think Psychiatrists should be locked up for peoples safety.
Thank you for your comment!
Is this humor?
Stop saying we "suffer from schizoid personality disorder." I think you suffer from not having schizoid personality disorder 😅
Well crap
This is stupid BS.
why?
Articulate, insightful analysis in the comments from Mr Ima Fukwit. I learned a lot reading your thoughts here. Thank you.