This is the best content on this subject I've been able to find. I have no idea how you only have 700+ subscribers. All the info I got from people up in the thousands was all basically "buy my course" for half of the video. You got straight to the point and provided valuable information. This video is now almost 2 years old, so I hope you're still around.
If the value is there - why not! However, just be aware that betting exchanges with strong liquidity set the market price. ps - if you are using the exchanges, learn to negotiate your odds (ask for a bit more when possible) - Long-term profitable betting is about applying logic!
Thanks for the video. quick two questions from me 1. Are any sports more profitable than others (and also less likely to get you restricted)? 2. Is there anything that can be done to keep your accounts going for longer without getting restricted?
We covered the specifics (Get more out of winning accounts) in this video: ruclips.net/video/9KO5t_-sIN4/видео.html And, we wrote it in blog format here - betting-analyst.com/tutorials/betting-secrets-revealed-get-more-out-of-winning-accounts/ There are a bunch of factors, and you will be surprised by some!
You can sign up to a value betting software. Rebel betting give two weeks for free! Then you add the bookmakers you can get (in your country), and bet EV bets (expected value). It's a question of organisation, opening (funding) enough betting accounts (also making sure you are always logged-in), and then playing the numbers game. I am sure that in Africa you have an even better chance of beating the bookmakers because it's a leisure market, and they won't be as focused on pro gambling. At the end of the day, profitable betting is about getting into the right habit!
You are not wrong - its a game on its own finding ways to keep winning without getting stopped! This video might help: BETTING SECRETS REVEALED - GET MORE OUT OF WINNING ACCOUNTS (PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER SERIES) ruclips.net/video/9KO5t_-sIN4/видео.html
Best of two makes it easier to identify value odds, but it doesn't necessarily mean the odds need to be under 2.00. The more experienced a person is, the more options they will have. We are talking baby steps here, learn one thing before moving onto the next!
With soft books winning accounts will get limited and then stopped, it's really that simple. At that stage, you have to wise up a bit, use 3rd party accounts if you can get them! Baby steps, learn by doing, and see if you have the wisdom to extract winnings from the enemy!
Lower liquidity leagues/sports will make it difficult to evaluate true odds. I mentioned in the video that ''higher liquidity'' gives a sense of seriousness. You also need to think about getting your card marked by the bookmaker (losing the account), at the very low level it's not worth it!
What he is saying is you use Betfair to find the true price at that moment for a match. Then go to a soft bookmaker which is offering a bigger price for the same outcome and cherry pick that. Rinse and repeat!!
Kiril - thanks for your comments! Saying it's nothing new is relative?, in that it's an eye opener for many punters who are feeding the bookmaker. If you already know such, then you have clearly cracked it. If that's the case, you simply need to be more aggressive and add other areas to the extraction chain! This video was made for punters wanting to start the process - I'm not expecting Tony ''Lizard'' Bloom or Matty Benham to come along and say - thanks we learnt something new! The intention is simply to improve peoples betting techniques, get them in the thought process!
Thanks Brian - Yes it's a numbers game, and it doesn't stop there! Punters who have time and are willing to go through the motions can quickly turn betting into a 6 figure profit stream! I also think it's a question of what somebody wants out of gambling. If a person has an established business which is making them the money, they are unlikely to have the time. However, for those who want a change and are willing to ruffle a few feathers, this could be the answer! I see betting like this: Arbitrage - baby steps Value betting - We are now walking Pro betting - Into a jog Syndicate - Full sprint It's like in any business, know your place and look to improve!
Betting Analyst The reality is somewhat far from what you’re portraying as easy money. Picking selections for winning teams or 0.5goals prior to kick-off or in-play give low odds so if you loose 1 it will take anywhere between 6-8 winning bets to make up for 1 loss. You’re approach will not work as I have lost £100’s relying on your systems. Alex Ong, Bet Formula have the same strategies and simply do not work. You make money by sucking people into buying your systems. House always wins.. Always has and always will. Have a great xmas
Betting Analyst The reality is somewhat far from what you’re portraying as easy money. Picking selections for winning teams or 0.5goals prior to kick-off or in-play give low odds so if you loose 1 it will take anywhere between 6-8 winning bets to make up for 1 loss. You’re approach will not work as I have lost £100’s relying on your systems. Alex Ong, Bet Formula have the same strategies and simply do not work. You make money by sucking people into buying your systems. House always wins.. Always has and always will. Have a great xmas
Atif Hussain - By all means have your own opinion, but you are very wrong! The truth is many people make a living and more from betting, and just because you haven't doesn't mean others haven't. The actual challenge is getting the right betting accounts, having control of your emotions, and simply taking advantage when the opportunity is available. If the house always won pro gamblers wouldn't have betting accounts closed or limited. There would be no need for risk managers, or all the control measures. Professional betting can be likened to football, in that their are many different levels. Some are playing champions league, while others are in the 2nd division. We can only show people the way, whether someone takes it or not is another matter!
Betting Analyst We would appreciate a live working example of your system but certain your strike rate is less than 50% unless you can prove otherwise. What is your win/strike rate? Bet formula claimed to have a 90% strike rate but when I subscribed and paid for their recommended tips we all lost 100’s. Lee claims he can beat the bookies and cracked the pre-match and 0.5 FH and FT goals using bet ballers but unfortunately has got it all wrong with more losses than wins.
@@tottyhussain4237 - It's not about buying/selling tips. It's not about a proven system, nothing is being sold! This video is simply about applying logic, something everyone can do for themselves. You need to reverse engineer, work backwards. Learn to identify the value, and trust true odds. People can take the video like they see it. The fact is their are thousands of people making money from betting and they don't need to be Einstein to turn the corner! Betting at the level we do is another matter, because without ''buying-in'' 3rd party accounts we are limited to betting in Asia and the exchanges (dynamic odds). People who are used to losing have a clean slate with the betting companies, and like previously mentioned it's a luxury position which most can utilise! With regards to future video's, we simply respond to supply and demand. It simply depends on the number of views and interest, because ''paying-it-forward'' takes valuable time!
mousemaing81 it’s a bold claim as it is a bet/trade based on chance and despite his high strike rate his recommendations (tips) have proven at. 50/50 strike rate and I’m not happy as I’ve lost over £1200
Arbing is betting both sides of the coin with a guaranteed profit! Value betting is taking the value side of the bet without necessarily taking cover (arbing) and giving points back!
Your explanation of "value" makes no sense and is mathematically flawed. On the surface "value" betting seems to make sense but when you really study it, you'll find it doesn't stack up logically.
Big statement - do enlighten us? I would suggest what you are saying makes no sense, because if you are beating true odds the mathematics will stack in your favour!
@@BettingAnalyst your argument for value betting is always based on the example of tossing a coin and getting odds better than evens on either heads or tails. Now, if you bet at odds greater than evens on the same toss of the same coin over multiple tosses you could make a profit. The important point here is that you would be betting on the same event over and over. If you could only bet on a single toss of that coin, you wouldn't be guaranteed a profit even with odds greater than evens. It's the same with roulette. If you could get odds greater than 36/1 on any single number, you could make a profit long-term if you continually bet on the same number on the same roulette table. But if you only had one bet you wouldn't be guaranteed a profit even with odds great than 36/1. The reason why "value" doesn't make sense in the sporting world is that all sporting events are one-off events. The argument of "value" only makes sense and works when you can repeat the same bet at the same odds over and over. You cannot do this with sporting events. Each and every sporting event is a unique one-off event with different variables. So it's not like the repeated tossing of a coin.
@@bernarddickinson8882 - thanks for responding! On a one-off basis, we can agree nothing is guaranteed. however, we are obviously talking mass. In which case .... The only thing that matters is getting positive odds (higher than the real / 100% book price) which could include throwing a coin at anything above ''evens'', betting a casino number at odds higher than 36/1, or getting over odds on a sporting event. With regards to the latter, beating the 100% book line of Betfair, or the proportional (100%) book price of Pinnacle (sharp book) is a good starting point. I'm not getting into the additive method for calculating bigger odds, just something easy to understand that anyone can use (provided they have access to value lines). This is not rocket science, it's a method used to place hundreds, and sometimes thousands of bets per day. It goes without saying, the system can be refined to abstract higher even higher margins!
@@BettingAnalyst you've completely missed the point of my argument against value betting. You've ignored my point about sporting events being ONE-OFF EVENTS where Mass betting is NOT POSSIBLE. You can repeatedly bet on the flip of the same coin over and over until probability guarantees a profit but you can't repeat mass betting on sporting events because each sporting event is a ONE-OFF EVENT. If you only get one bet on the flip of a coin, you're not guaranteed a profit. And no one knows the true probability of any sporting event. There are too many variables. Using the example of coin tossing to prove "value" will always make a profit is mathematically flawed. If I am wrong please explain in detail why I am wrong without talking about mass betting which I have shown is not possible in sports betting.
@@bernarddickinson8882 - I have no idea how long you have been betting, or whether you have made 100's of thousands of bets as we have! However, having been involved in sports (Quantitative) modeling for the past 15 years, I can assure you (dynamic/sharp bookmaker) odds are highly efficient! You talk about an event being a one-off, and variables, but the part you are clearly not getting (or disagreeing) - MASS is the meal ticket! You are basically saying odds are not accurate, but they are if you know how to farm them correctly. Of course, there is a margin for error, but over the course of a season, it's minute. Simple method for identifying (finding) value - Open Betfair/Pinnacle and work back to the 100% book. ie 1.99 1.99 = 2.00 2.00 ------ If you can find (use odds portal) odds of 2.05, you have 5 cents juice, and it's not even important to challenge a 0.2% inaccuracy, because it can work for as well as against. Do that 10,000 times on different events, and you will have a profit margin of around 2.5% (half win/half lose) on total stakes - circa 25K profit from 100 stakes. These are just example odds, and it works same if you get 3.10 on a 2/1 shot (3.0), or 1.63 (on a 1.60). At bigger odds the formula changes Additive method - negative probabilities (favourite biased). ps - i am not saying you should be calling 2.01 a value bet (if true odds are 2.00), the bigger the discrepancy = the bigger the bet!! The biggest challenge with using Pinnacle/betfair to identify value (guide) is bookmakers limit accounts quickly. We get around this somewhat by betting on quicker markets such as in-play (takes longer to limit). We also hit bookmakers in places like Italy (leisure market - odds all over), meaning we pay for 3rd party betting accounts!
This is the best content on this subject I've been able to find. I have no idea how you only have 700+ subscribers. All the info I got from people up in the thousands was all basically "buy my course" for half of the video. You got straight to the point and provided valuable information. This video is now almost 2 years old, so I hope you're still around.
Thanks for the kind words - We have added a few since, and we are planning on adding another this week.
hi thanks for your excellent vid ! one quick question ? can we bet in exchange market if we see the actual value bet there ?
If the value is there - why not! However, just be aware that betting exchanges with strong liquidity set the market price. ps - if you are using the exchanges, learn to negotiate your odds (ask for a bit more when possible) - Long-term profitable betting is about applying logic!
Thanks for the video. quick two questions from me
1. Are any sports more profitable than others (and also less likely to get you restricted)?
2. Is there anything that can be done to keep your accounts going for longer without getting restricted?
We covered the specifics (Get more out of winning accounts) in this video: ruclips.net/video/9KO5t_-sIN4/видео.html
And, we wrote it in blog format here - betting-analyst.com/tutorials/betting-secrets-revealed-get-more-out-of-winning-accounts/
There are a bunch of factors, and you will be surprised by some!
Thank you for the video... here we don't have Betfair in our country.
You can sign up to a value betting software. Rebel betting give two weeks for free! Then you add the bookmakers you can get (in your country), and bet EV bets (expected value). It's a question of organisation, opening (funding) enough betting accounts (also making sure you are always logged-in), and then playing the numbers game. I am sure that in Africa you have an even better chance of beating the bookmakers because it's a leisure market, and they won't be as focused on pro gambling. At the end of the day, profitable betting is about getting into the right habit!
@@BettingAnalyst thank you...I will do just that.
I heard that bookies don't like winners and may limit Sharp bettors & arbers ...How to avoid being limited by bookies?
You are not wrong - its a game on its own finding ways to keep winning without getting stopped!
This video might help:
BETTING SECRETS REVEALED - GET MORE OUT OF WINNING ACCOUNTS (PROFESSIONAL GAMBLER SERIES)
ruclips.net/video/9KO5t_-sIN4/видео.html
Is it best to use this system on favourites with odds under 2 ?
Best of two makes it easier to identify value odds, but it doesn't necessarily mean the odds need to be under 2.00. The more experienced a person is, the more options they will have. We are talking baby steps here, learn one thing before moving onto the next!
Can value betting last forever whiteout getting accounts gubb?
With soft books winning accounts will get limited and then stopped, it's really that simple. At that stage, you have to wise up a bit, use 3rd party accounts if you can get them! Baby steps, learn by doing, and see if you have the wisdom to extract winnings from the enemy!
how about lower liquidity leagues or
bets?
Lower liquidity leagues/sports will make it difficult to evaluate true odds. I mentioned in the video that ''higher liquidity'' gives a sense of seriousness. You also need to think about getting your card marked by the bookmaker (losing the account), at the very low level it's not worth it!
Audio is not synchronised about 1/3 rd way through.
Thanks for the info - We are first and foremost Professional gamblers, anything we can do with video is a bonus!
I didn't get the strategy
What he is saying is you use Betfair to find the true price at that moment for a match. Then go to a soft bookmaker which is offering a bigger price for the same outcome and cherry pick that. Rinse and repeat!!
@@brianfalconer9499 thank you...but nothing new here
Kiril - thanks for your comments!
Saying it's nothing new is relative?, in that it's an eye opener for many punters who are feeding the bookmaker.
If you already know such, then you have clearly cracked it. If that's the case, you simply need to be more aggressive and add other areas to the extraction chain!
This video was made for punters wanting to start the process - I'm not expecting Tony ''Lizard'' Bloom or Matty Benham to come along and say - thanks we learnt something new!
The intention is simply to improve peoples betting techniques, get them in the thought process!
Thanks Brian - Yes it's a numbers game, and it doesn't stop there!
Punters who have time and are willing to go through the motions can quickly turn betting into a 6 figure profit stream!
I also think it's a question of what somebody wants out of gambling. If a person has an established business which is making them the money, they are unlikely to have the time. However, for those who want a change and are willing to ruffle a few feathers, this could be the answer!
I see betting like this:
Arbitrage - baby steps
Value betting - We are now walking
Pro betting - Into a jog
Syndicate - Full sprint
It's like in any business, know your place and look to improve!
Betting Analyst The reality is somewhat far from what you’re portraying as easy money. Picking selections for winning teams or 0.5goals prior to kick-off or in-play give low odds so if you loose 1 it will take anywhere between 6-8 winning bets to make up for 1 loss.
You’re approach will not work as I have lost £100’s relying on your systems. Alex Ong, Bet Formula have the same strategies and simply do not work. You make money by sucking people into buying your systems.
House always wins.. Always has and always will. Have a great xmas
Betting Analyst The reality is somewhat far from what you’re portraying as easy money. Picking selections for winning teams or 0.5goals prior to kick-off or in-play give low odds so if you loose 1 it will take anywhere between 6-8 winning bets to make up for 1 loss.
You’re approach will not work as I have lost £100’s relying on your systems. Alex Ong, Bet Formula have the same strategies and simply do not work. You make money by sucking people into buying your systems.
House always wins.. Always has and always will. Have a great xmas
Atif Hussain - By all means have your own opinion, but you are very wrong! The truth is many people make a living and more from betting, and just because you haven't doesn't mean others haven't. The actual challenge is getting the right betting accounts, having control of your emotions, and simply taking advantage when the opportunity is available. If the house always won pro gamblers wouldn't have betting accounts closed or limited. There would be no need for risk managers, or all the control measures. Professional betting can be likened to football, in that their are many different levels. Some are playing champions league, while others are in the 2nd division. We can only show people the way, whether someone takes it or not is another matter!
Betting Analyst We would appreciate a live working example of your system but certain your strike rate is less than 50% unless you can prove otherwise. What is your win/strike rate?
Bet formula claimed to have a 90% strike rate but when I subscribed and paid for their recommended tips we all lost 100’s. Lee claims he can beat the bookies and cracked the pre-match and 0.5 FH and FT goals using bet ballers but unfortunately has got it all wrong with more losses than wins.
@@tottyhussain4237 - It's not about buying/selling tips. It's not about a proven system, nothing is being sold! This video is simply about applying logic, something everyone can do for themselves. You need to reverse engineer, work backwards. Learn to identify the value, and trust true odds. People can take the video like they see it.
The fact is their are thousands of people making money from betting and they don't need to be Einstein to turn the corner!
Betting at the level we do is another matter, because without ''buying-in'' 3rd party accounts we are limited to betting in Asia and the exchanges (dynamic odds). People who are used to losing have a clean slate with the betting companies, and like previously mentioned it's a luxury position which most can utilise!
With regards to future video's, we simply respond to supply and demand. It simply depends on the number of views and interest, because ''paying-it-forward'' takes valuable time!
@@tottyhussain4237 Hi Atif, I also follow that Brt Formula guy, on his telegram channel. Isn't he making the thousands he claims?
mousemaing81 it’s a bold claim as it is a bet/trade based on chance and despite his high strike rate his recommendations (tips) have proven at. 50/50 strike rate and I’m not happy as I’ve lost over £1200
I just cheat its easier
isn't this just arbing?
Arbing is betting both sides of the coin with a guaranteed profit! Value betting is taking the value side of the bet without necessarily taking cover (arbing) and giving points back!
Your explanation of "value" makes no sense and is mathematically flawed. On the surface "value" betting seems to make sense but when you really study it, you'll find it doesn't stack up logically.
Big statement - do enlighten us? I would suggest what you are saying makes no sense, because if you are beating true odds the mathematics will stack in your favour!
@@BettingAnalyst your argument for value betting is always based on the example of tossing a coin and getting odds better than evens on either heads or tails. Now, if you bet at odds greater than evens on the same toss of the same coin over multiple tosses you could make a profit. The important point here is that you would be betting on the same event over and over. If you could only bet on a single toss of that coin, you wouldn't be guaranteed a profit even with odds greater than evens. It's the same with roulette. If you could get odds greater than 36/1 on any single number, you could make a profit long-term if you continually bet on the same number on the same roulette table. But if you only had one bet you wouldn't be guaranteed a profit even with odds great than 36/1.
The reason why "value" doesn't make sense in the sporting world is that all sporting events are one-off events. The argument of "value" only makes sense and works when you can repeat the same bet at the same odds over and over. You cannot do this with sporting events. Each and every sporting event is a unique one-off event with different variables. So it's not like the repeated tossing of a coin.
@@bernarddickinson8882 - thanks for responding!
On a one-off basis, we can agree nothing is guaranteed. however, we are obviously talking mass. In which case ....
The only thing that matters is getting positive odds (higher than the real / 100% book price) which could include throwing a coin at anything above ''evens'', betting a casino number at odds higher than 36/1, or getting over odds on a sporting event.
With regards to the latter, beating the 100% book line of Betfair, or the proportional (100%) book price of Pinnacle (sharp book) is a good starting point. I'm not getting into the additive method for calculating bigger odds, just something easy to understand that anyone can use (provided they have access to value lines). This is not rocket science, it's a method used to place hundreds, and sometimes thousands of bets per day. It goes without saying, the system can be refined to abstract higher even higher margins!
@@BettingAnalyst you've completely missed the point of my argument against value betting. You've ignored my point about sporting events being ONE-OFF EVENTS where Mass betting is NOT POSSIBLE.
You can repeatedly bet on the flip of the same coin over and over until probability guarantees a profit but you can't repeat mass betting on sporting events because each sporting event is a ONE-OFF EVENT.
If you only get one bet on the flip of a coin, you're not guaranteed a profit.
And no one knows the true probability of any sporting event. There are too many variables.
Using the example of coin tossing to prove "value" will always make a profit is mathematically flawed. If I am wrong please explain in detail why I am wrong without talking about mass betting which I have shown is not possible in sports betting.
@@bernarddickinson8882 - I have no idea how long you have been betting, or whether you have made 100's of thousands of bets as we have! However, having been involved in sports (Quantitative) modeling for the past 15 years, I can assure you (dynamic/sharp bookmaker) odds are highly efficient!
You talk about an event being a one-off, and variables, but the part you are clearly not getting (or disagreeing) - MASS is the meal ticket!
You are basically saying odds are not accurate, but they are if you know how to farm them correctly. Of course, there is a margin for error, but over the course of a season, it's minute.
Simple method for identifying (finding) value - Open Betfair/Pinnacle and work back to the 100% book. ie 1.99 1.99 = 2.00 2.00 ------ If you can find (use odds portal) odds of 2.05, you have 5 cents juice, and it's not even important to challenge a 0.2% inaccuracy, because it can work for as well as against. Do that 10,000 times on different events, and you will have a profit margin of around 2.5% (half win/half lose) on total stakes - circa 25K profit from 100 stakes. These are just example odds, and it works same if you get 3.10 on a 2/1 shot (3.0), or 1.63 (on a 1.60). At bigger odds the formula changes Additive method - negative probabilities (favourite biased).
ps - i am not saying you should be calling 2.01 a value bet (if true odds are 2.00), the bigger the discrepancy = the bigger the bet!!
The biggest challenge with using Pinnacle/betfair to identify value (guide) is bookmakers limit accounts quickly. We get around this somewhat by betting on quicker markets such as in-play (takes longer to limit). We also hit bookmakers in places like Italy (leisure market - odds all over), meaning we pay for 3rd party betting accounts!