Johan v. Felix: Venezuela's Best

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024

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  • @AndThatsBaseball
    @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +7

    Use code ATB for $20 off your first SeatGeek order. seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ATB

  • @leiinho1
    @leiinho1 Год назад +45

    As a Venezuelan, there's nothing better than a video talking about these two goats. They were my favorite pitchers growing up and one of the main reasons I got into baseball so early in my life.
    Thank you so much for this one :)

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +7

      These have to be the guys that every single Venezuelan pitcher looks up to now. They were so special to watch

  • @cosmoid
    @cosmoid Год назад +39

    I miss Felix 🥹
    Cant wait to see him inducted into the Mariners HOF in a couple weeks

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад +2

      He had a great career here.

    • @michealconnell7499
      @michealconnell7499 Год назад +3

      As a Braves fan I always liked Felix he was loyal. I was excited when we was going give him chance in 2020 but with Covid I respect his decision not to play.

    • @battle4truth701
      @battle4truth701 Год назад

      ​@@michealconnell7499 Can you only imagine!!!

  • @joshhalilej901
    @joshhalilej901 Год назад +19

    Getting recommended this video when I was literally at this game is too much lmao

  • @justinlast2lastharder749
    @justinlast2lastharder749 Год назад +112

    Felix definitely did the Impossible. He played almost his entire career in Seattle and didnt even attempt to self delete once

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад +25

      As they said in the last part of the Dorktown doc, unlike A-Rod, Griffey, Ichiro, and Randy, Felix stayed.
      Edgar Martinez of course also spent his whole career here, but he peaked at a later age (he was 32 in 95), and may not have made as much money if he went to free agency. But we’ll never know.

    • @battle4truth701
      @battle4truth701 Год назад +2

      ​@@fortynights1513Ichiro was traded though

    • @andygreeley5196
      @andygreeley5196 Год назад +4

      This is Kyle Seager erasure

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад +1

      @@andygreeley5196If they ever do a follow up, Seager deserves mention.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@battle4truth701He was.
      But did he request to be traded?

  • @fortynights1513
    @fortynights1513 Год назад +16

    Mariners fan here, and Felix was an excellent pitcher. His perfect game was an amazing thing to see in person (was there with my Dad), and he was no worse than the second or third best pitcher in the game for a half decade and change. It was unfortunate that he started to get hurt right when we got Nelson Cruz, and the lineup improved.
    With an average lineup in his prime, Felix probably retires as a 200 game winner.
    Santana similarly had an incredible peak, and it’s unfortunate that he went one and done on the Hall of Fame ballot. He might deserve to be in.
    What say you?

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад

      I could see myself voting for either of them, but I understand that they’re prob both gonna miss because they didn’t stick around the league into their thirties

    • @justinlast2lastharder749
      @justinlast2lastharder749 Год назад +1

      I think Felix gets in. The Perfect Game cemented it. I don't think it will be first ballot or unanimous...but he gets in because of it. That and a few impressive stats like 10 straight seasons of under 4 ERA. The King is the type of Pitcher Old Head types love. The type where in 10 years they can look smart talking about him because being in Seattle hurt his reputation amongst casuals.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@AndThatsBaseballThey are both essentially peak players without the longevity.
      Kind of like Dave Stieb if you’ve watched Jon Bois’ Dorktown documentary on him.
      From a Mariners fan, I’d argue that Johan Santana should get in if only one of them is to. Either way though, worst case scenario both deserved to be debated by the Baseball Writers, and Santana went one and done.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@justinlast2lastharder749Being in Seattle might have caused some to overlook him at times as he never pitched in the playoffs, and with how bad our lineup was from 2010-2014, his record wasn’t as good as it could have been.
      Regardless, Felix should get 5% of the vote if enough voters wish to go off peak performances.

    • @nickpeitchev7763
      @nickpeitchev7763 Год назад

      Felix makes it but not Johan

  • @3SailorMartin
    @3SailorMartin Год назад +19

    I'm glad Dave was still around to call his grand slam!!! We miss you, Dave!!!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +4

      I really wish I got to hear him call more games in my life. Even as a Yankees fan, his game 5 alds call gives me chills, might be the greatest call of all time.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад +3

      Niehaus was a great announcer. Dave Sims had a good call of the perfect game too.

  • @FriendlyNeighborhoodGentile
    @FriendlyNeighborhoodGentile Год назад +5

    Man Felix was special, it irks me to this day how atrocious the bats were during his prime.. even when he threw out the first pitch in the playoff game last year, we couldn’t score a run 😂

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +2

      Their 2010 offense is one of the worst lineups I’ve ever seen. Russel Branyan led the team with 15 hrs (he played 50 games)

  • @aaronstreitenberger6012
    @aaronstreitenberger6012 Год назад +8

    I remember going wild after that Regnal Slam. Felix in his prime was nigh unbeatable if you put up more than 1 run a game. The Ms lost a lot of games during that era.

  • @silmarian
    @silmarian Год назад +4

    I’ve been to fewer than 10 baseball games since 2000, so it’s weird to see 3 of them in one video (Twins playoffs and one of the Mariners v Twins games).

  • @benpeltola1364
    @benpeltola1364 Год назад +4

    without Jon Bois' coverage of this one in his history of the M's, I wouldn't really have an appreciation for how absurd it was when Daniel Camarena did it.

  • @nomorefielders
    @nomorefielders Год назад +3

    Great choice of photo for Felix’s cutout

  • @Snazzeo
    @Snazzeo 29 дней назад

    coming back to this and man, shea was a special place. I’m too young to have ever gone and it’s one of the biggest regrets of my life

  • @BensPitchingClips
    @BensPitchingClips Год назад +18

    I've had this take for a while. His stats career wise, and Kofaux, are so similar, its hypocritical to have one in the HOF and the other not.. ERA+ shows they were just as dominate for a similar amount of time, and way.. And looking at their careers, it just makes sense. This isnt me saying Sandy isnt a Hoffer, but Johan Santana had hall of fame chances, that were totally over looked because of his ERA.. Thanks for the video!

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +7

      If he won the 2005 Cy Young, I don't see how he wouldn't have made it. How can you leave off a guy who 3-peats the Cy Young?

    • @BensPitchingClips
      @BensPitchingClips Год назад +5

      @@AndThatsBaseball Same way they'll leave Bonds off, or Lofton off, or Stieb off.. Baseball voters are weird man

    • @Gemnist98
      @Gemnist98 Год назад +4

      @@AndThatsBaseball This, right here. Santana has the stats, but isn’t in because Big Sexy decided for once to not let us have nice things. Now we know how his wives feel.

    • @ahogg5960
      @ahogg5960 Год назад +3

      ​@@BensPitchingClipsWell, Bonds is arguably the easiest of the three to leave out, with the PEDs and the DV allegations.
      Lofton and Stieb should be Hall of Famers, as should Carlos Delgado (who I reckon got snubbed for not supporting the Iraq War at the time)

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@Gemnist98Colon had a solid year for himself, but Santana definitely should have won that Cy Young.
      Colon, along with Rick Porcello in 2016, are probably the last two times that Cy Young awards were handed off of older criteria and way of looking at it.

  • @JonathanSpringer
    @JonathanSpringer Год назад +3

    I actually went to that game. King Felix absolutely tomahawked that ball. Unbelievable.

  • @mikael.00
    @mikael.00 Год назад +2

    pokémon BW music makes this video even better than it already is, great work

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад

      Song is called “coronation day”

    • @FroyoMNS
      @FroyoMNS Год назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball Unova music continues to absolutely slap

    • @gaberobison680
      @gaberobison680 2 месяца назад

      @@FroyoMNSAlmost like hiring actual composers instead of keyboard wizards to do music is a good idea

  • @foundmp3689
    @foundmp3689 Год назад

    I don’t think anything can compare to how great it was watching Félix pitch from kings court at a kid. One of the most beautiful thing is baseball.

  • @RoyalPear
    @RoyalPear Год назад +3

    i gotta say dude, i always love your music choices

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +1

      Been using more and more video game music recently

  • @adamlarocca2557
    @adamlarocca2557 Год назад +1

    Yeh them in their prime was so fun to watch.

  • @coolbreeze4249
    @coolbreeze4249 Год назад +1

    Felix is the most underrated pitcher in the history of the game

  • @elyfel1183
    @elyfel1183 Год назад

    The Mets are blessed and cursed. lol.
    It was a treat to watch these two careers... hope they're doing well in retirement.
    ... and yes, both SHOULD be in the Hall.

  • @Guiltyconscience83
    @Guiltyconscience83 Год назад +1

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the only runs the mariners scored that game… someone should do a video and see if an ace or any pitcher has gotten worse run support over their career with one team as Felix. He should’ve been a 300 game winner, I forget what year, I’m pretty sure it was the year after he won the cy young (and should’ve won it again this year) but he shattered the record for consecutive quality starts of going 7 or more innings while giving up 2 or less runs. I think the record was 13 and he ended up getting something like 18-19.

  • @awesome123306
    @awesome123306 Год назад +1

    Before watching this. This has to be the grand slam 🤣 I was like 13 when this happened and it was amazing

  • @chreeess
    @chreeess Год назад +1

    😂😂😂 knew I recognized the game freak songs

  • @HeySalina
    @HeySalina Год назад +1

    Best beisbol RUclipsr tbh

  • @AREALLYBIGSPOON
    @AREALLYBIGSPOON Год назад +1

    beautiful video.

  • @NoUploadJustComment
    @NoUploadJustComment Год назад +1

    I remember it well.
    I was there.

  • @bubblerman
    @bubblerman Год назад +1

    Now this is cinema

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +1

      You know ball

    • @bubblerman
      @bubblerman Год назад +1

      @@AndThatsBaseball the sequence of Johan’s no-no was 🤌

  • @Brippy12345
    @Brippy12345 Год назад +1

    Love the Yankees plug

  • @TheSeattle6
    @TheSeattle6 2 месяца назад

    Cracked up laughing as soon as I realized the track for Felix’s perfect game was God of War

  • @misfortune6666
    @misfortune6666 5 месяцев назад

    8:02 describes Felix's entire career

  • @OH_MY_DOGGG
    @OH_MY_DOGGG Год назад

    Im upset about the Domingo German news but he probably doesnt deserve much sympathy.

  • @jamese4729
    @jamese4729 Год назад +1

    Johan would have won several more Cy Young awards if voters cared about anything other than pitcher wins in his prime...

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад +1

      2005 is such a ridiculous vote in retrospect

    • @jamese4729
      @jamese4729 Год назад

      @@AndThatsBaseball the only stat Colon beat Santana in was walks, where he walked two fewer batters in nine fewer innings. What a farce of an award that year... :(

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@jamese4729Not that it should have been a major factor, but Colon also led the league in pitching wins and had five more than Santana. Also, his team won 12 more total.
      Not that it makes sense for Colon to win it, but that’s probably what those going off of older criteria would cite.
      Side note: Was Colon even the best pitcher on Anaheim that year?

  • @SconnerStudios
    @SconnerStudios Год назад +7

    Felix will probably get snubbed in Hall voting like santana did, even though he should stay on the ballot. Santana probably had the best 10 year career a pitcher had since Sandy Koufax, and even though it didn't last long, he was hands-down the best pitcher in MLB for 3 years.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      A lot of older voters tend to look at raw, cumulative totals as opposed to peak performance, and as such, Santana probably wouldn’t occur to them.
      Though the case can be made that Santana belongs, and Felix is at least worthy of making 5% of the vote based on his peak.

    • @gaberobison680
      @gaberobison680 2 месяца назад

      Felix is a guaranteed Hall of Famer

  • @WhatHappenedtoBaseball
    @WhatHappenedtoBaseball Год назад +2

    Surely an American League pitcher won't hit one of the last grand slams in Shea Stadium...

  • @TheTEN24
    @TheTEN24 Год назад +3

    Loved watching both of these guys pitch. Johan was awesome for the Mets and even tho his no hitter wasn’t the best I’ve ever seen and had some controversy I’m so glad he delivered one for us. King Felix was just so dominant and he’s still my last perfect game and a legit Hall of Fame candidate

  • @4everinpanama
    @4everinpanama Год назад +2

    "How can you not be romantic about Baseball?"

  • @djsvarietychannel9664
    @djsvarietychannel9664 Год назад +2

    I thought this was gonna be about Santana's no hitter and then King felix's perfect game in 2012 lol

  • @AlbinDavidN
    @AlbinDavidN Год назад +2

    This video reminds me so much of my early childhood . MLB the show , on tv , these were by far two of the most dominant 05-06 era pitchers . What a time , I fell in love with the sport around that time . Thanks for the video great work

  • @Trillyana
    @Trillyana Год назад +1

    I was at that game
    ..........the 2-0 game the Yankees lost to Johan in the playoffs, not the grand slam game

  • @LordWafflestomp
    @LordWafflestomp Год назад +1

    Hearing the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Lake Trio Theme in a baseball video wasnt on my bingo card 😅

  • @54raynor
    @54raynor Год назад +3

    Yes, that was easily the highlight of Seattle’s 2008 season. Hell, it might have been the only highlight of Seattle’s 2008 season.

  • @gusmilonas4140
    @gusmilonas4140 Год назад +1

    I was there the grand slam

  • @matthicksxx
    @matthicksxx Год назад +1

    Wow. Great editing.

  • @PTFVBVB
    @PTFVBVB Год назад +1

    Just another casual ATB banger

  • @alcidesrios7222
    @alcidesrios7222 Год назад +1

    Background music sounds like Donkey Kong Country from SNES

  • @notreallyadog9646
    @notreallyadog9646 Год назад

    Title: MLB's Weirdest Grand Slam of All Time
    Video: Actually just a comparison of two pitchers' careers, and shows Grand Slam in passing for about ten seconds during last 90 seconds of video.

  • @hateusernames2
    @hateusernames2 9 месяцев назад

    The best Venezuelan pitchers
    Los mejores pitchers Venezolanos

  • @-linusthegoat-4825
    @-linusthegoat-4825 Год назад +1

    who’s here after the title was changed

  • @jeffarmfield2346
    @jeffarmfield2346 Год назад

    Also, absolutely LOVE the putter choice!! That's the exact putter I'd get if I got a scotty

  • @jeffnak5598
    @jeffnak5598 Год назад +1

    Felix really should have 2 Cy Young awards in his career. He got robbed, I believe it was in 2014. He had better stats than Kluber and it wasnt close. It felt like the usual popularity contest where the voters couldn't vote for a Mariner. The only excuse they had was Kluber's K's. Felix had a better ERA, ERA+, BB, WHIP, hits allowed, ect. How do you justify giving the other guy the Cy Young, what a joke. The same robbery happened to Verlander with porcello winning, even though Verlander was better.

    • @bmac4
      @bmac4 Год назад

      IMO that year's Cy Young should have gone to Zack Britton. I dont care he only pitched a third of Verlander's or Porcello's innings when he was nearly six times as effective in those innings as a reliever and pitching in high leverage situations all year. (And WAR doesn't tell the full story when that stat is already skewed significantly against relievers)
      Though among starters I'd still say Verlander got robbed by someone who recorded more wins in a weird vote overall.

    • @jeffnak5598
      @jeffnak5598 Год назад +1

      @@bmac4 I think relievers should have their own award. It feels odd to give a pitcher with 60 innings an award others with 200 innings are up for consideration for.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@jeffnak5598Ever heard of Rolaids relief man? And it’s later name?

    • @jeffnak5598
      @jeffnak5598 Год назад +1

      @fortynights1513 I have and I just think things should be completely separate. An innings minimum for Cy Young and a start max for relievers for their award.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@jeffnak5598I could get behind those restrictions

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb Год назад

    Back when baseball was good and not dominated by nerds who never played

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb Год назад

    I love the folks from Minnesota and I don’t want them to lose their team… but it’s amazing they still have a team with how poor they’ve been for decades. Those fans deserve so much more.

  • @ajhernandez27
    @ajhernandez27 Год назад

    Did they ever play a WBC together?

  • @fortynights1513
    @fortynights1513 Год назад

    What’s the music at 5:58 out of curiosity?

    • @AndThatsBaseball
      @AndThatsBaseball  Год назад

      Cello Suite - Bach
      Full music playlist is linked in the description

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 Год назад

      @@AndThatsBaseballMy bad. Will make sure to look there next time.
      Good for you for putting those in your descriptions, a lot of RUclips channels don’t.