I had more DPC issues with windows 11 than 10. Updated all drivers and checked all OS settings. Still no improvements. Went back to windows 10. Works as before on my area 51m.
I am going to agree with that. Win 11 has scheduler issues with new gen Intel, Microsoft is at fault. Win 10 worked better for me with 9900k, compared to 13900k and Win 11
I think this is overall still bad news... most people will not go below 512 samples for the buffer, and at that 512 range, win 11 performs WORSE than 10, right?
Win 11 has scheduler issues with new gen Intel, Microsoft is at fault. Win 10 worked better for me with 9900k, compared to 13900k and Win 11 I have more instability, and forced to run higher buffers.
I think windows 11 is the best way to go. On cubase 11 the audio is so clean and no pops compared to the one on windows 10. That's just me and so far I'm very happy with my windows 11 laptop running on powerful AMD cpu
lower is worse. I believe it's the number of notes played back (virtual instrument test) and instances of the testing plugin (DSP test) they can have up until the CPU passes out lol
I just want to know how to upgrade without having to reinstall EVERYTHING. I want to switch to Tiny11 because I only use Cubase on my studio computer, it hasn't got anything else installed. 5950x w/ 64GB RAM I'm thinking about changing my RAM because AMD can get better performance with tighter timings. Can anyone suggest any to go with my motherboard and this chip? It's a TUF Gaming X570
I checked recently to see if "Pros' were getting on with 11. I asked those of my Windows using colleagues who had updated to 11 whether things had improved and they reported that they had gone back to 10 because of instabilities with their music software systems on 11. I shall continue to hold off until it is no longer possible to run Win10. If things with Win11 haven't stabilised by then then I'll be looking to a different platform. Microsoft, please don't force me to go to Apple ... I DON'T WANNA !!! 😭
My guitar plugins (Neural dsp) sounds brighter almost ice pick ij windows 11 with more latency i m using a Audient ID4 card 5600x AMD cpu and Nvidia 2060 super GPU with 16 giga ram @3200 no idea why results sounds worse so i went back to windows 10 and all of a sudden all fixed no more ice pick guitar sound really weird phenomenon
How many milliseconds are giving you different buffer sizes on your audio cards? Mine is Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 2nd gen and it’s giving me 15ms roundtrip latency @128 samples 44100 khz, which is a lot. Almost 100ms @ 1024 samples. That is under win7 and win11. 14700k cpu ddr5. My 20-years old M-Audio delta 2496 is twice as fast as milliseconds - 7ms @128smp. Unfortunately it’s PCI.
Encouraging! I got my new Alienware m18 AMD Ryzen9 with windows 11 2 weeks ago and I’ve been pulling my hair out re-installing Reaper and all the same plugins that I had on my windows 10 machine ever since. I’m supposed to drag plugins from the downloads folder to my User Plugins location in Reaper, and that’s where things are difficult. Videos on windows 11 specific to Reaper are extremely limited. I would give someone my left kidney, or buy them coffee to teach me what I need to know… sound of grown man crying…
still recommend to move from Win10 to Win11 for audio nowdays ?(legion pro5 i7 11800H laptop, cubase13 pro) saw some comments that 11 drain battery fast, but maybe those were in the begining of win11
Hopefully windows 11 will finally sort out it's not very good audio side of things. Not gone to windows 11 yet. still on 10. Lots of audio problems with cubase 11 constantly crashing on my latest Scan PC. (this is not a PC problem). I see quite a few having this issue with cubase (latest update). Very frustrating at present. I seem to be spending 100% of my time with technical/software problems. I'm not convinced that 99.9% of my issues are with windows.
@@ScanProAudioTV I tend to agree with you on the plugin side. Although windows updates has thrown a few spanners in the works. I've just gone through all the plugins again and deleted a load more 32bit plugins from updates. (izotope are the worst for installing 64bit and 32bit into the same folder). Giving it all another run tomorrow. Also cubase isn't giving me any crash logs, it's just been shutting down. EDIT 04 12 2021 - 4TB Sabrent Roc 4 Plus PCIe4 (1 of 2) drive failure, just died. 6 month old build. Contacted Pete and Scan. Awaiting reply from either.
Please help me understand the difference between DSP and virtual instrument tests. I understand that things like EQ, compression, delay and reverb will all be DSP. I also understand that a Kontakt instrument will be a virtual instrument. However, where does that leave synths? Are they DSP or virtual instruments or a combination of both? Thanks for the great content!
The Instrument test is how it handles memory hungry instruments such as Kontakt or spitfire / Vienna libraries. Dependent on the type of synthesis, this will be split between the two, probably heavier on the DSP side.
The description is a bit confusing (and probably mixed up). In the video and the title you mention that Win 11 is faster, in the video description you say Win 10 is faster. ;)
@@ScanProAudioTV It's similar imo. Real time video processing where frame time pacing is similar to filling the audio buffer. But your right, definitely differences! Especially if it's just specific audio code improvements.
@@jc.1191 I think audio processing favors to put pressure on the CPU whereas gaming is GPU-bound. Unless we are talking integrated graphics, in that case ur right
For someone thinking of switching from Mac to Windows this is actually a bit worrying. Not pretending to be an expert on the matter, and zero intent to offend, but is Windows still ironing out the latency bugs in 2022.
Latency is not usually an issue in Windows given you use your audio interface's driver or an ASIO low-latency driver, which should always be the case for recording and mixing. Many years ago I switched from a good ol' MBP mid2012 to Win10, using Cubase, and I don't miss anything from macOS.
@@gastonpossel Great thanks. So a Focusrite Scarlett or Clarett or maybe an RME Babyface will do? I’m just waiting to see if the folks at Apple announce some kind of mid tier pro machine (which they currently don’t have) in the coming weeks or I am considering the exact same thing.
@@accentontheoff I have an old Focusrite Saffire USB 1.1 that works perfectly fine with my Asus Zenbook with a core i7. I usually mix orchestral parts with dozens of VSTi tracks. No issues there.
@@accentontheoff Well, I believe this could be the answer: macOS' native audio driver is inherently less laggy than Windows' included controllers (such as Direct Sound, Windows Audio or some random Realtek driver that comes with the machine). These generic drivers have to deal with any PC chipset they're put in front of, so they can't be optimized to perfection (unlike mac drivers which are paired to specific internal hardware, hence optimized). If you use one of these generic drivers in Windows for a DAW, real-time VST FXs, MIDI instrument or similar audio-critical application, it will need a higher buffer size for stability, hence more latency. But as I said, any professional audio application should be used with the interface's driver, bypassing generic driver issues altogether.
Agreed. I have nothing but audio problems that take forever to solve. Maybe it's because of my Computer which is a Dell XPS 8950 but it's an I7 with an Intel 12700k, 64 GB of ram!!!! and 3.6ghz to 5 ghz turbo i think. but my old piece of crap computer has zero sound issues compared to this computer that I paid 2 grand for, I kinda blame windows, maybe dell, maybe the Killer Network Adapter card too. I guess you don't always get what you pay for. They make things too complicated for simple tasks nowadays (at least in my case).
@@RandyBakkelund Yes way too complicated - I've had a PC since Windows 95 and the BSOD and there seems to be no attempt to make Home Editions at least simple to operate by the public. It's taken me 2 weeks to really get to know Win 11. In the end I decided as the Video and Audio drivers were the same I might as well install Win 10 again. No problems at all since then - and I found an amazing Virtual Desktop - even better than the one on Win 11 - called Dexpot, which is a free download. 😀
@@FunAllDayLong4353 I solved all my problems recently by disabling all Dell and Killer Networking things and Realtek, Maxxaudio, or even Nvidia HD audio. It was a pain in the ass but it all worked. And I switched from Cakewalk DAW to Reaper DAW for music recording, and now i have zero problems. So now I like Windows 11 so far, but only because i solved this myself.
What about the sound quality? IS the sound "bigger" or thinner on Windows 11? Regarding UAD Apollo interface, Not only drivers matter, but also OS. On Windows 7 the sound was amazing... I ended up with Win 10 because of new hardware limitations, for this time.
I'm on a Win10 3950x atm and I'm dying to get back to the Intel platform but w/ Raptor Lake around the corner I'm a bit torn on whether I should wait or not.
No need to upgrade to intel.. i did from 3950x and found bare minimum practical performance gains on large projects.. orchestral mostly... 12900 consumes too much heat and very little gain... go for new amd zen4.. my 4 cents
Most important question... Is the sound quality - thickness - from audio interface better in win 11 than in win 10? Here should be the case. I have UAD Apollo Twin USB, sound is clear buy there is no wide panorama (scene) of sound. Do you know what I mean? The thickness of the sound... If you use MAC the sound is amazing, Win 7 Quite good, WIN 10 Worse .. what about WIN 11? I tested almost all drivers from uad site... best is 9.14 so far... What is a situation in WIN 11? Im using DAWs: STUDIO ONE 5 and FL STUDIO 20
Not sure what happen with your system since with audio interface the audio quality output should be determined by that interface . And since possibly anomaly could be came from DAW you`ve used the last culprit should be compatibly between your driver interface and OS . My son usedApollo for his live performances and I didnt notice different when he switch betwees his MBP and Lenovo Yoga ( touchscreen and running win 10 )
@@morizanova Sorry but I have very good hearing and a music memory. I can do blind tests of sound comparison. In general it is noticable.... The same with guys that say that each DAW "sounds the same" is or an ignorance or lack of good hearing.
Windows has no affect on the sound being output by your audio interface. If you think you are hearing it, your ears are lying to you. Period. Doesn’t matter how good you think your hearing is. You are imagining things. And no, one of your DAWS doesn’t sound better than the other if all plugins and pan laws are set the same. Again, you are imagining things if you think they do.
So tell me that also drivers don't have any impact on sound quality? 😅 I have uad apollo twin and I have tested barely all updates of drivers to Choose the best. I have very good hearing memory, your statement is a nonsense. Period.
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What would be the best settings on a Win 11 PC for audio performance?
I had more DPC issues with windows 11 than 10. Updated all drivers and checked all OS settings. Still no improvements. Went back to windows 10. Works as before on my area 51m.
I am going to agree with that.
Win 11 has scheduler issues with new gen Intel, Microsoft is at fault.
Win 10 worked better for me with 9900k, compared to 13900k and Win 11
I think this is overall still bad news... most people will not go below 512 samples for the buffer, and at that 512 range, win 11 performs WORSE than 10, right?
Win 11 has scheduler issues with new gen Intel, Microsoft is at fault.
Win 10 worked better for me with 9900k, compared to 13900k and Win 11
I have more instability, and forced to run higher buffers.
I think windows 11 is the best way to go. On cubase 11 the audio is so clean and no pops compared to the one on windows 10. That's just me and so far I'm very happy with my windows 11 laptop running on powerful AMD cpu
Great channel, very useful, rationally presented and quantifiable data, finally sensible audio gear reviews on the web!
Nice video but what is on the Y-axis in the graphs? Is lower better or worse? :)
lower is worse. I believe it's the number of notes played back (virtual instrument test) and instances of the testing plugin (DSP test) they can have up until the CPU passes out lol
I just want to know how to upgrade without having to reinstall EVERYTHING.
I want to switch to Tiny11 because I only use Cubase on my studio computer, it hasn't got anything else installed.
5950x w/ 64GB RAM
I'm thinking about changing my RAM because AMD can get better performance with tighter timings.
Can anyone suggest any to go with my motherboard and this chip? It's a TUF Gaming X570
I checked recently to see if "Pros' were getting on with 11.
I asked those of my Windows using colleagues who had updated to 11 whether things had improved and they reported that they had gone back to 10 because of instabilities with their music software systems on 11.
I shall continue to hold off until it is no longer possible to run Win10.
If things with Win11 haven't stabilised by then then I'll be looking to a different platform.
Microsoft, please don't force me to go to Apple ... I DON'T WANNA !!! 😭
My guitar plugins (Neural dsp) sounds brighter almost ice pick ij windows 11 with more latency
i m using a Audient ID4 card 5600x AMD cpu and Nvidia 2060 super GPU with 16 giga ram @3200
no idea why results sounds worse so i went back to windows 10 and all of a sudden all fixed
no more ice pick guitar sound
really weird phenomenon
Operating system has nothing to do with how your guitar sounds. It's all about your setup.
@@milankotevski1663 yes it was my guitar electronics wiring causing ice pick sound from
Is AVB in windows 11 core audio like it is on Mac yet ? It’s a ieee standard and the hardware should support it by default. So does the OS yet ?
Good info, but in the graphics, what mean left number? More are best? less are best?? AMD run best than Intel on W11?? Thanks.
How many milliseconds are giving you different buffer sizes on your audio cards?
Mine is Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 2nd gen and it’s giving me 15ms roundtrip latency @128 samples 44100 khz, which is a lot. Almost 100ms @ 1024 samples. That is under win7 and win11. 14700k cpu ddr5.
My 20-years old M-Audio delta 2496 is twice as fast as milliseconds - 7ms @128smp. Unfortunately it’s PCI.
Encouraging! I got my new Alienware m18 AMD Ryzen9 with windows 11 2 weeks ago and I’ve been pulling my hair out re-installing Reaper and all the same plugins that I had on my windows 10 machine ever since. I’m supposed to drag plugins from the downloads folder to my User Plugins location in Reaper, and that’s where things are difficult. Videos on windows 11 specific to Reaper are extremely limited. I would give someone my left kidney, or buy them coffee to teach me what I need to know… sound of grown man crying…
still recommend to move from Win10 to Win11 for audio nowdays ?(legion pro5 i7 11800H laptop, cubase13 pro) saw some comments that 11 drain battery fast, but maybe those were in the begining of win11
This is some pro level audio recording. Glad I found a channel that could guide me with technical stuff. Keep up the great work man!
This might make sense. CPUs have gotten insane lately, so a recent CPU might have an advantage in Windows 11.
How to solve this DPC latency issues that are not solved by the usual tweaks. I'm at my wits end here.
Really happy with Win 11, i can finally produce on 96khertz without problems😁 that was not the case with Win 10
i dont have problem with 384khz
Hopefully windows 11 will finally sort out it's not very good audio side of things.
Not gone to windows 11 yet. still on 10. Lots of audio problems with cubase 11 constantly crashing on my latest Scan PC. (this is not a PC problem). I see quite a few having this issue with cubase (latest update). Very frustrating at present. I seem to be spending 100% of my time with technical/software problems. I'm not convinced that 99.9% of my issues are with windows.
Honestly, More likely to be plugins.
Try changing your preferred plugins for the next track and see if you can find the culprit
@@ScanProAudioTV I tend to agree with you on the plugin side. Although windows updates has thrown a few spanners in the works. I've just gone through all the plugins again and deleted a load more 32bit plugins from updates. (izotope are the worst for installing 64bit and 32bit into the same folder). Giving it all another run tomorrow. Also cubase isn't giving me any crash logs, it's just been shutting down.
EDIT 04 12 2021 - 4TB Sabrent Roc 4 Plus PCIe4 (1 of 2) drive failure, just died. 6 month old build. Contacted Pete and Scan. Awaiting reply from either.
Have you checked thermals, or if you are reaching your processors target clocks? Might also be a power delivery issue.
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Please help me understand the difference between DSP and virtual instrument tests. I understand that things like EQ, compression, delay and reverb will all be DSP. I also understand that a Kontakt instrument will be a virtual instrument. However, where does that leave synths? Are they DSP or virtual instruments or a combination of both?
Thanks for the great content!
The Instrument test is how it handles memory hungry instruments such as Kontakt or spitfire / Vienna libraries. Dependent on the type of synthesis, this will be split between the two, probably heavier on the DSP side.
@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks for the reply :)
@@ScanProAudioTV Does this apply to Virtual Instruments like Arturia V Collection or other synthesizers of that kind?
The description is a bit confusing (and probably mixed up). In the video and the title you mention that Win 11 is faster, in the video description you say Win 10 is faster. ;)
That's what you get when we write the description whilst eating a particularly tasty biscuit. numbers go backwards!
@@ScanProAudioTV I fully understand your priorities there ;)
@@ScanProAudioTV Which biscuit? :D
Nice!
That's surprising. I haven't heard of differences in gaming performance.
That’s because there aren’t really any.
This is low latency audio, two completely different things.
@@ScanProAudioTV It's similar imo. Real time video processing where frame time pacing is similar to filling the audio buffer. But your right, definitely differences! Especially if it's just specific audio code improvements.
@@jc.1191 I think audio processing favors to put pressure on the CPU whereas gaming is GPU-bound. Unless we are talking integrated graphics, in that case ur right
What about the 12900k?
Definitely better under 11 because of the thread scheduling. On windows 10 disabling e cores is advisable.
For someone thinking of switching from Mac to Windows this is actually a bit worrying. Not pretending to be an expert on the matter, and zero intent to offend, but is Windows still ironing out the latency bugs in 2022.
Latency is not usually an issue in Windows given you use your audio interface's driver or an ASIO low-latency driver, which should always be the case for recording and mixing. Many years ago I switched from a good ol' MBP mid2012 to Win10, using Cubase, and I don't miss anything from macOS.
@@gastonpossel Great thanks. So a Focusrite Scarlett or Clarett or maybe an RME Babyface will do? I’m just waiting to see if the folks at Apple announce some kind of mid tier pro machine (which they currently don’t have) in the coming weeks or I am considering the exact same thing.
@@accentontheoff I have an old Focusrite Saffire USB 1.1 that works perfectly fine with my Asus Zenbook with a core i7. I usually mix orchestral parts with dozens of VSTi tracks. No issues there.
@@gastonpossel Great, thanks, got it. Academic curiosity only: Then where did Windows get this bad rap for latency.
@@accentontheoff Well, I believe this could be the answer: macOS' native audio driver is inherently less laggy than Windows' included controllers (such as Direct Sound, Windows Audio or some random Realtek driver that comes with the machine). These generic drivers have to deal with any PC chipset they're put in front of, so they can't be optimized to perfection (unlike mac drivers which are paired to specific internal hardware, hence optimized). If you use one of these generic drivers in Windows for a DAW, real-time VST FXs, MIDI instrument or similar audio-critical application, it will need a higher buffer size for stability, hence more latency. But as I said, any professional audio application should be used with the interface's driver, bypassing generic driver issues altogether.
Strange.... I get slight audio distortion under Win 11 - still not fixed by Microsoft.
Agreed. I have nothing but audio problems that take forever to solve. Maybe it's because of my Computer which is a Dell XPS 8950 but it's an I7 with an Intel 12700k, 64 GB of ram!!!! and 3.6ghz to 5 ghz turbo i think. but my old piece of crap computer has zero sound issues compared to this computer that I paid 2 grand for, I kinda blame windows, maybe dell, maybe the Killer Network Adapter card too. I guess you don't always get what you pay for. They make things too complicated for simple tasks nowadays (at least in my case).
@@RandyBakkelund Yes way too complicated - I've had a PC since Windows 95 and the BSOD and there seems to be no attempt to make Home Editions at least simple to operate by the public. It's taken me 2 weeks to really get to know Win 11. In the end I decided as the Video and Audio drivers were the same I might as well install Win 10 again. No problems at all since then - and I found an amazing Virtual Desktop - even better than the one on Win 11 - called Dexpot, which is a free download. 😀
@@FunAllDayLong4353 I solved all my problems recently by disabling all Dell and Killer Networking things and Realtek, Maxxaudio, or even Nvidia HD audio. It was a pain in the ass but it all worked. And I switched from Cakewalk DAW to Reaper DAW for music recording, and now i have zero problems. So now I like Windows 11 so far, but only because i solved this myself.
Good to hear!
What about the sound quality? IS the sound "bigger" or thinner on Windows 11? Regarding UAD Apollo interface, Not only drivers matter, but also OS. On Windows 7 the sound was amazing... I ended up with Win 10 because of new hardware limitations, for this time.
Windows 11 hypes the low end too much for my taste. Windows 10 on the other hand, has scooped mids which I never really cared for.
I'm on a Win10 3950x atm and I'm dying to get back to the Intel platform but w/ Raptor Lake around the corner I'm a bit torn on whether I should wait or not.
Why?
No need to upgrade to intel.. i did from 3950x and found bare minimum practical performance gains on large projects.. orchestral mostly... 12900 consumes too much heat and very little gain... go for new amd zen4.. my 4 cents
lol dude wtf why do you want Intel, you're dying for some 300W cpu oven?
Why? XD. Intel's small.Big core structure adds latency, which is not good for audio production at low latencies.
Wait a bit if it works now. That is alot of threads, just a little weak on single thread speed. Fast single thread performance is essential for audio.
Most important question... Is the sound quality - thickness - from audio interface better in win 11 than in win 10? Here should be the case. I have UAD Apollo Twin USB, sound is clear buy there is no wide panorama (scene) of sound. Do you know what I mean? The thickness of the sound... If you use MAC the sound is amazing, Win 7 Quite good, WIN 10 Worse .. what about WIN 11? I tested almost all drivers from uad site... best is 9.14 so far... What is a situation in WIN 11? Im using DAWs: STUDIO ONE 5 and FL STUDIO 20
holy shit, if that's true UAD SUCKS
Not sure what happen with your system since with audio interface the audio quality output should be determined by that interface . And since possibly anomaly could be came from DAW you`ve used the last culprit should be compatibly between your driver interface and OS . My son usedApollo for his live performances and I didnt notice different when he switch betwees his MBP and Lenovo Yoga ( touchscreen and running win 10 )
@@morizanova Sorry but I have very good hearing and a music memory. I can do blind tests of sound comparison. In general it is noticable.... The same with guys that say that each DAW "sounds the same" is or an ignorance or lack of good hearing.
Windows has no affect on the sound being output by your audio interface. If you think you are hearing it, your ears are lying to you. Period. Doesn’t matter how good you think your hearing is. You are imagining things.
And no, one of your DAWS doesn’t sound better than the other if all plugins and pan laws are set the same. Again, you are imagining things if you think they do.
So tell me that also drivers don't have any impact on sound quality? 😅 I have uad apollo twin and I have tested barely all updates of drivers to Choose the best. I have very good hearing memory, your statement is a nonsense. Period.