@@harrybos4660 Beethoven had composed this ouverture in autumn of 1822 for the re-opening of the "Theater in der Josefstadt". For his occassion Beethoven was commissoned to write a festivity music, for wich for the most part he would simply recycle much of his previous stage music for August von Kotzebue's "The Ruines of Athens", op.113 from ten years before. Only the ouverture he would compose completely new. He also "conducted" the premiere at october, the third 1822, himself. The concert was a great success.
Beethoven was a great admirer of Handel. In this work I hear references to Utrecht te deum, Saul's funeral march, Water Music, etc. The use of trumpets and double fugue is very Handelian
This is a wonderful performance of this often-botched work. The orchestra is the Czech Philharmonic and the conductor is János Ferencsik. The recording is from 1962 I think - it appears on a recording of the 2nd Symphony from that year. The original label was Parliament.
Oh youll be surprise that there are some though not many, of Claudio's Beethoven symphonies are really good. Of course it is during his tenure as conductor for berliner philharmoniker.
You bet he is. One of B's favorite leisure activities was poring over a bound copy of Handel's works he was given. This is a magnificent piece much inspired by the dignity of Handel and B's love for the British. It's too bad it is so often so sloppily played. I heard a version by Karl Bohm and the Vienna Philharmonic that was tight, taut, and electrifying. The fugal sections and immense coda are very very hard to play right. This effort is one of the better!
In this overture Beethoven gave honour to Handel, but around the same time he was also working on an overture on the notes B-A-C-H, celebrating that admired composer also! On the basis of these sketches I wrote an overture trying to catch the spirit of these sketches: ruclips.net/video/2jF1CNsXj7c/видео.htmlsi=3AfsoyGgGudqTFQu , which may be interesting to you also ... those sketches I marked with yellow colour...
What?? You are saying that this work was composed in 1822, just 5 years before his death and that until 1822 or 1821, Beethoven had never studied the works of Bach or Handel?? Nonsense!! Go and read a decent biography of him. Just one example ( from wiki): "By 1793, he had established a reputation as an improviser in the salons of the nobility, often playing the preludes and fugues of J. S. Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier." This is when he was only 23 years old.
Maybe you should read it again and slowly. It was the first work Beethoven wrote *after studying the works* of J. S. Bach and Händel, and bears their influence. I corrected the date 1822 to 1802. As i recall the first sketches known of the symphony were in 1802, i made a mess of the years. Thank you for pointing it out.
Alexo1954 Okay so it is untrue. The whole description was cut and pasted from some place, years ago when i posted this video. When i get home from work today. I will delete the whole description. Will this be satisfactory to you ?
Don't delete it, just improve it. Our Lord Ludwig was a great admirer of both Bach and Handle, and unlike the vast majority of us, he could read their works in the form of the sheet music. Even before he was deaf, he could have done this. Like reading a novel or a play. No hard feelings intended. :-)
First of all, it would be nice to have information about the conductor and orchestra. That said, I will note that though we read that this shows the influence of Bach and especially his idol, Handel; and that it is a very late work, upon our listening to it, it could be said that the style is in Beethoven's ripest middle period manner, representing that pushed to the maximum of what it was capable of. The use of fugal and contrapuntal writing is hardly unique to this work; it appears in his works from all periods; in this case most obviously in the finale of his Quartet in C Major, Op. 59, No. 3. This could be said to be a further expansion of what appeared in that movement, but once again, this sort of writing for Beethoven was hardly unique in his writing. And he used this contrapuntal writing as it suited him; when he embarked on it in his works, he just as easily abandoned it, without the listener being any the wiser. This work is not in Beethoven's late period style. To get that in full bloom, we must visit his late quartets and late bagatelles, Op. 126, although premonitions of it can be heard in his two cello sonatas, Op. 102. The last five piano sonatas also more or less exhibit this tendency, and the contrapuntal writing as I just described it may be heard in these works.
@@franzl6153 Whatever of Bach's and Handel's works he heard certainly helped him, but stylistically, he was completely his own man, and this work could never conceivably be mistaken for the work of either of those composers. Nor could any of his earliest works be in any way mistaken for Haydn or Mozart. But these latter two had plenty of real imitators. To get such, we have to listen to the likes of Cimarosa, Sammartini and Brunetti, etc., etc. I would no more think of Bach or Handel in this work than in any other contrapuntal work from an earlier period of his, and please note: in the main allegro of this work it is not consistently fugal; much of it is homophonic.
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Keep in mind he was completely deaf by 1816. This masterpiece was written in 1822.
I call that a genius.
Imagination!
Those trumpets and bassoon section sounds so Handel!!!! Amazing!!! A deaf composer writing such masterpiece!! BEETHOVEN YOU RULE!!!
rhe trumpets ans bassoon sound like the great french revolution and Beethoven.
Completely agree. This work reminds me a lot of Handel
Does anybody yet knows when this piece was composed?
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@@harrybos4660
Beethoven had composed this ouverture in autumn of 1822
for the re-opening of the
"Theater in der Josefstadt".
For his occassion Beethoven was commissoned to write a festivity music, for wich for the most part he would simply recycle much of his previous stage music for August von Kotzebue's "The Ruines of Athens", op.113 from ten years before.
Only the ouverture he would compose completely new.
He also "conducted" the premiere at october, the third 1822, himself.
The concert was a great success.
Beethoven was a great admirer of Handel. In this work I hear references to Utrecht te deum, Saul's funeral march, Water Music, etc. The use of trumpets and double fugue is very Handelian
Polyfonie,Beethoven knew very well his skills.Fantastic.
Great overture!!! It sounds like a mix of Beethoven and Handel
Favoloso Beethoven,
Favolosa esecuzione.
One of the most majestic pieces by Beethoven
I used to bike to high school while blaring this through my headphones!
great music, and great paintings!
This is a wonderful performance of this often-botched work. The orchestra is the Czech Philharmonic and the conductor is János Ferencsik. The recording is from 1962 I think - it appears on a recording of the 2nd Symphony from that year. The original label was Parliament.
Oh, Ferencsik....yes. One of favourite conductors.
I think it's Abbado, the author of the video says so...
Rediscover the powerful spirit of Beethoven music, having not listen to this one before
Beethoven at his heroic best. Shows the influence of my idol, Handel.
Wow! quedó chulísimo ese barroco ahí.
Rises from magnificence to magnificence
The orchestra is in total sync
Amazing
Bellisima
Esplendida Obertura, las pinturas son fantásticas..¡¡
Love it... 💜
Oh youll be surprise that there are some though not many, of Claudio's Beethoven symphonies are really good. Of course it is during his tenure as conductor for berliner philharmoniker.
Therapist: romantic Handel isn't real he can't hurt you
Romantic Handel: 2:18
Lol
wonderful selection of paintings! Love it!
ktokarski Worst comment ever 😡
2:18 Händel is present in this work! :)
You bet he is. One of B's favorite leisure activities was poring over a bound copy of Handel's works he was given. This is a magnificent piece much inspired by the dignity of Handel and B's love for the British. It's too bad it is so often so sloppily played. I heard a version by Karl Bohm and the Vienna Philharmonic that was tight, taut, and electrifying. The fugal sections and immense coda are very very hard to play right. This effort is one of the better!
@@ultrametric9317 Handel was German
Fully agree
no . here is marching the french revolution
@@222mozart That was a distant memory by then
Fun Fact: This was played in 1949 when the first German parliament was constituted after WW2
that's why i came here
Shame putting Beethoven's music with German Parliament Or any politics or events
@@prof.jasonsaid2718 because Beethoven was famously apolitical.
*cough cough* Symphony 3 *cough cough* Egmont *cough cough*
@@prof.jasonsaid2718 Are you prejudiced against the founding of the Federal Republic of Germany in May of 1949?
@@halcasey3461 Federal republics or any republics don't interest me. Sorry.. Beethoven music do!
Música boa de escutar!
The beginning of pretty much any beethoven piece seems to really know how to bring out an orchestra's lack of ability to count.
And most listeners'.
That kind of intro was used by Handel in his Utrecth Te Deum. It sounds almost exactly the same. A composer much admired by Beethoven
So it is. Oddly enough i haven't managed to find any renditions of the symphonies by Claudio that i liked as much as the Overtures.
6:59.:).:)..
6.11 to 6.35.... we are not worthy...!
I think that is the Vienna Philharmonic and Karl Bohm
No, it's the Berliner with Abbado.
Is there any comparable piece of music, by any composer, with the stirring melody that starts at 2:18 of this piece by Beethoven?
Everyone is saying it sounds exactly like Handel
Try Vivaldi's Juditha Triumphans.
The firsts seconds of the intro sounds a lot like Utrecht te deum by Handel haha
My guess Its the Berlin Philharmoniker by Claudio Abbado
Yes, it is the Berliner with Abbado.
In this overture Beethoven gave honour to Handel, but around the same time he was also working on an overture on the notes B-A-C-H, celebrating that admired composer also! On the basis of these sketches I wrote an overture trying to catch the spirit of these sketches: ruclips.net/video/2jF1CNsXj7c/видео.htmlsi=3AfsoyGgGudqTFQu , which may be interesting to you also ... those sketches I marked with yellow colour...
@jawnps I think it's pretty obvious without any pior knowledge of it.
What?? You are saying that this work was composed in 1822, just 5 years before his death and that until 1822 or 1821, Beethoven had never studied the works of Bach or Handel??
Nonsense!!
Go and read a decent biography of him. Just one example ( from wiki):
"By 1793, he had established a reputation as an improviser in the salons of the nobility, often playing the preludes and fugues of J. S. Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier."
This is when he was only 23 years old.
Maybe you should read it again and slowly.
It was the first work Beethoven wrote *after studying the works* of J. S. Bach and Händel, and bears their influence.
I corrected the date 1822 to 1802. As i recall the first sketches known of the symphony were in 1802, i made a mess of the years.
Thank you for pointing it out.
According to you, Beethoven did not study Bach or Handel until he was over 50 years of age. This is simply utterly untrue.
Alexo1954 Okay so it is untrue. The whole description was cut and pasted from some place, years ago when i posted this video.
When i get home from work today. I will delete the whole description.
Will this be satisfactory to you ?
Don't delete it, just improve it. Our Lord Ludwig was a great admirer of both Bach and Handle, and unlike the vast majority of us, he could read their works in the form of the sheet music. Even before he was deaf, he could have done this. Like reading a novel or a play. No hard feelings intended. :-)
Bethoven's favorite composers were first Handel... And then Mozart. Not Bach
I have to keep signing in repeatedly to post a comment. Is this happening to others?
First of all, it would be nice to have information about the conductor and orchestra.
That said, I will note that though we read that this shows the influence of Bach and especially his idol, Handel; and that it is a very late work, upon our listening to it, it could be said that the style is in Beethoven's ripest middle period manner, representing that pushed to the maximum of what it was capable of.
The use of fugal and contrapuntal writing is hardly unique to this work; it appears in his works from all periods; in this case most obviously in the finale of his Quartet in C Major, Op. 59, No. 3. This could be said to be a further expansion of what appeared in that movement, but once again, this sort of writing for Beethoven was hardly unique in his writing.
And he used this contrapuntal writing as it suited him; when he embarked on it in his works, he just as easily abandoned it, without the listener being any the wiser.
This work is not in Beethoven's late period style. To get that in full bloom, we must visit his late quartets and late bagatelles, Op. 126, although premonitions of it can be heard in his two cello sonatas, Op. 102. The last five piano sonatas also more or less exhibit this tendency, and the contrapuntal writing as I just described it may be heard in these works.
I only hear a lot of influence from Handel, but nothing from Bach
@@franzl6153 Whatever of Bach's and Handel's works he heard certainly helped him, but stylistically, he was completely his own man, and this work could never conceivably be mistaken for the work of either of those composers. Nor could any of his earliest works be in any way mistaken for Haydn or Mozart. But these latter two had plenty of real imitators. To get such, we have to listen to the likes of Cimarosa, Sammartini and Brunetti, etc., etc.
I would no more think of Bach or Handel in this work than in any other contrapuntal work from an earlier period of his, and please note: in the main allegro of this work it is not consistently fugal; much of it is homophonic.
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@Vivaldiana1 Did you just think that yourself or did you already know that Beethoven was imitating Handel's style?
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Reactie toevoegen....
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Beethovens Weihe gruesst Händels Trauermarsch aus Saul.
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