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you say it's not a green screen by using a second green screen. prove its not a green screen by sitting on the couch! your "proof" is purely subjective. show us the proof! we need the proof Philly-cheese-cake!
What a bunch of BULLSHIT! This girl is DEAD. Will you media fuckers ( and of course I don't mean you Phil ) quit trying to politicalize it with racism? The REASON she is being covered in the news is she is well known in social media, the younger generations ( who will soon enough be running the world ) take to social media in droves, so statistically it's a news worthy story. Period.
It's totally true that missing POC are ignored by the media-- and it's vile. HOWEVER-- that's an odd opinion coming from Joy Reid, person with her own News show, who has had EVERY opportunity to highlight these cases. She IS the media. Also, Joy using Gabby as an example felt a bit distasteful being that her body was JUST found. This is an incredibly valid conversation BUT very poor timing/too-soon example.
Absolutely true. Using her as an example also felt weird being that she had a larger social media following than a normal person. Of course someone with more attention on them already ends up with more attention when they go missing.
I don't have a problem with the timing. In two weeks, hardly anyone will give two Fs that this young woman is dead if they even really care all that much now. It's a story to them. A thing to follow as entertainment/interest. Considering that many of us barely can get through a tiktok video, is there any real confidence that people will care enough about the POC story when the timing is "right"?
I definitely think that BIPOC and Indigenous missing person's cases get swept under the rug. However I feel like what makes the Gabby Petito case, "popular," is how unusual the whole thing is. Also their relationship and interactions are very public. The body cam footage paints a totally different relationship than what was seen online and anyone that's ever been through an abusive relationships could see all the red flags in that video. The police handling of the situation is awful and reminds me of the LAPD in the 70s. However, I want to ask MSNBC why they don't use their platform to bring awareness to BIPOC and Indigenous missing cases? I think it's hypocritical of them to even broadcast that news story without looking into what they do. I've found out about a lot of these cases by listening to Podcasts.
This is an amazing comment, you made so many good points, MSNBC pointing the finger, but have they actually done the work? Also Gabby from what I've seen, appears to be an influencer, that may have generated a lot of attention on the matter.
Great point! I also hear about a lot of BIPOC cases from podcasts. And not just those points about gabby but she had a fairly large social media platform and A lot of the reason some of these cases get big is like everyone thinks the boyfriend/husband did it and it adds a lot of clicks for people wanting to see the newest evidence against that person especially when they act like gabbys bf did. And comparing her to male BIPOC isnt really the same cause lets be honest no one really gives a shit when a dude goes missing,its not fair but it's true, I can think of like maybe two that were big and I cant even remember their names.
I'd fucking love that, he's just so emotionally exhausted that he half-asses the show from the couch. "What's, uh up you- oh never mind let's just jump into it I guess, so for the first story, like *yawns* we have covid news again i guess"
"True Crime" as a hobby has been exponentially rising over the last 10 years. Gabby's murder checks all the boxes for their 'entertainment.' I'm sure a documentary, mini series, and movie script are already being proofread in real time.
I got a notification from iHeartRadio this morning for a true crime podcast regarding Gabby Petito and her disappearance. I was like "what....? Already?"
It's a mystery. So people are gonna wanna try and figure it out. I'm one of many weirdos who like true crime stories, it helps me cope in a scary world, but even I dispise people making buck off a story that isn't even proven and/or closed.
I think the fact that it was obviously the bf was what got people to care because they felt there was something they could still do. The fact that they were influencers and that there was police footage made it possible for people to make content off of them (and this comes with ups and downs cause the case got a spotlight). In most cases, there's no where to start because they go missing and we have 0 info on them
I think the discussion about BIPOC missing persons cases getting less attention is an important discussion, but I personally feel like the Gabby Petito case has a ton of detail already made public, which is not typical of missing persons cases. There is released 911 audio, body cam footage of a chilling domestic dispute, a very public manhunt, and the couple had a pretty relevant social media presence (not just their life but pinpointing key areas of their location). It's hard not to want constant updates when we have SO much detail already known. I think there should be discussion not just about media coverage for missing persons cases with BIPOC individuals but police participation to provide details where the public can possibly help in the search.
Exactly, also she’s a social media public figure (influencer) ,so ofc her story is gonna get more media coverage ,even more than an average white woman missing case ,ppl can’t use their brain cells!
600,000 people go missing in the US every single year, like 1,500-1,600 a day. About 2 or 3 cases a year get the coverage that Gabby's case did. 99.999% of missing white women do not get that coverage. People dragging race ino anything they can is why people stop listening to any of it at a certain point.
She's a young cute white girl, that is all. There's an obvious pattern of this that is hard to ignore. Maybe you're young and haven't lived long enough to see the obvious. Our very own marina Joyce is a perfect example. Her drugged out azz wasn't even actually reported missing lol. All over the news in all states. That girl from the damn u.k lol.
She only had 1000 followers before she was killed. That doesn't make her an influencer. She is getting this much attention because she was an attractive young woman. If she had been a man, we would have never heard that they were missing.
It's just because the story gained traction all over the social media. What are the news stations gonna do, let a good story go to waste? Leave it all to reddit and Facebook? You need to understand how the media works. It has nothing to do with who she was, how attractive she was or her race. It's all about drama, which media thrives on!
Hey Phil can you please talk about Jelani Day? He’s an Illinois state university student who has been missing for almost a month. Obviously Gabbie had a social media presence and I won’t get into the difference in coverage but I think it would really help to spread the news to more people. I know his family is super crushed and really needs help, and it has really affected some of us at ISU to see a real missing person poster plastered all over the school and area.
And let’s face it, the fiancé angle also made people more curious. I think people want real life to be like the movies and unless something extra is involved in a case they don’t care
In this case, I thought the fascination with Gabby was because she was a vlogger, a sort of influencer or content creator. But in general, I do wonder how media outlets make their choices about which stories to cover, and which to ignore.
Anyone else who thinks different is dumb. It is because of her following and the domestic violence awareness leading up to it. If Nicki Minaj went missing you bet your ass that'll be dominating news headlines.
Yeah i think it's a mixture of both with this case. She's an influencer, the suspicious way Brian returned home and behaved during her disappearance and how he went into hiding, and add "missing white woman" phenomenon to it. I don't think you can compare her disappearance/homicide to that of those without a social media presence but I do wonder how much interest there would have been if she was a poc influencer.
Because pretty white women have the most value of any person. Not my opinion just facts. Don't feel bad when I find all the pretty white women they'll start looking for all the pretty black women. If your a missing dude you got to figure it out on your own. I could go missing for a month and nobody would give a fuck. To pretend like Society doesn't value some people more than others is naive
Sure, that particular syndrome is a problem, but as a person of color myself, I really don’t like the idea of lessening the importance of anyone who is missing to promote the importance of others, no matter what. Find a way to do it without disparaging others because all that does is create another “us versus them” situation. We don’t need more of those.
@@katek6306 Right? They are already sweeping us under the rug. Us talking about the issue isn't lessening their importance, them ignoring us is lessening ours.
@@jd0604 That might be anecdotal, i don't watch the news like that. But that's just right now.... What about before 2018? What about after the media is finished with its rampage? Also, you have to look at how the media is portraying the victim. How are they portraying the person? or are they just showing the slaughter like a modern day lynching? It's not just about who they're showing/covering it's how.
@@katek6306 the last white women missing case was only sensationalized in 2002 .... But wtb blm, and all the drug dealers getting killed by police.. This media outlets cover them and sentionalized them like as if their life depends on it
as a POC, I'll say this. If Joy truly cared about missing POC, she'd use her large platform to talk about these missing people... but she doesn't. Joy is a journalist. It's her job to tell us of these stories but all she's doing is complaining. She's being a hypocrite and making the rest of is seem like big cry babies because our stories haven't gotten the same traction as Gabby. It's not a competition. Just do your job, Joy.
Right? That makes more sense. Instead of using that moment to bring up the point, she could’ve followed through and spotlighted some cases on-going that need some attention since they may be running cold
Look at police brutality and the second ppl say "it happens to white ppl too why don't you report that" its such a selfish hill to die on and doesn't add anything.
Isn’t Joy Ried the…host of her show? Can’t she always be the change she wants to see in the world by reporting missing POC cases? Don’t get me wrong, everyone missing should be reported on the news be it local or nationwide- but isn’t she in control of her show? And if she’s not and CNN doesn’t want to help her to be than the problem is the networks themselves not the country itself.
Why would she actually want to help missing POC? That would take time away from shaming everyone for caring about finding a killer that's actively on the loose. She's totally right, everyone is a racist and we should all be focusing on random missing people, the vast majority of whom are found completely safe and have no evidence publicly viewable or prime suspects that people need to see the face of on a widespread level. Can't you see she has her priorities perfectly in check?
@@alexexcess7620 I agree joy comments are offensive considering I'm yet to see her use her large profile to discuss missing non white people. I'm a black woman and alot of non white media could discuss missing non white people anytime they want to. Notice joy never mentions that she actively discusses missing people.
Oh, so "colored" reporters should cover stories of the "colored" missing, while white reporters deal with the whites? I suppose Juju Chang and Miguel Almaguer have their niche too, then.....?
Joy Reid works under a white-owned news network. She's only a host who talks about topics she ALLOWED to talk about, that doesn't mean she's in charge of everything to even have the authority of discussing missing POC. A host just presents the show/ stories. And she gives commentary. Nothing about having full-control of topics to discuss. Mind you, I'm not even a fan of her and but it's pretty obvious what the optics are.
I think there is an element of “missing white woman syndrome” at play here, but I also think that there are other aspects of the story that make it attractive to the media; like their social media presence (vlogging their travels), the public facing side of their relationship vs. what was happening behind the scenes, the initial mystery of it and now the hunt for Brian Laundrie. It’s all rife for a fascinating story, one that people will tune in for.
True - - if there wasn't police footage of vlogging footage of Gabby... the would have made the news, but the coverage would have been regional or local. In general, coverage of missing white women does dominate the news more than other missing women. The media outlets ignore the pleas of other families yet deliberately go after specific women that helps them get clicks and shares.
Exactly it's a thriller/mystery for alot of people. What's effed up is that it's real life and someone is now actually dead. And I think the media as well as internet people need to understand a whole family is wrecked because of this
Regarding the Gabby Petito story, I'm admittedly surprised that it took this long for the Missing White Woman Syndrome to be brought up outside of social media. It was one of the first things that I thought of. This is not to say that I agree with it being used in every instance, but I knew it would come up; I just thought it would be brought up sooner.
I was wondering why this story was exploding. I looked into it and realised pretty quickly it was just because she was young and attractive and the circumstances were odd. Didnt realize MWWS was an actual term but i came to a similar conclusiob
There are lots of factors that contribute to Gabby generating so much interest. Obviously, her being white plays into it hugely. I am Maori, and a victim of DV and systemic racism from the police, so I totally appreciate how race is a major factor here. However, she is also beautiful, so pretty privilege comes into play. She has a big online media presence, which similar to the Shanann Watts case, gives the media a lot of information, videos and pictures, in order to create stories with. Lastly, the timing and the way that the Laundrie family have dealt with this... even finding the body(which was miraculous) so quickly, has helped keep the story going. It is a lot of things, not just her whiteness.
Didn’t this girl have a considerable following, I feel like that would give it some boost to be used as a story. I wish we would publicize the shit out of every missing person, it might do some actual good.
@@BlitzerXYZ Perhaps, but I bet you dollars to doughnuts that if Calebcity or Swoozie suddenly went missing in the same fashion the response from MSM would be somewhere between crickets and interviewing anyone they EVER had a negative interaction with plus speculation on whether they had a drug problem/criminal affiliations.
I heard about it through Inside Edition. Before that never heard of the girl or guy. When I watched the video I was just like, "another person goes missing and their spouse is the likely suspect," but what was different this time was that the guy said absolutely nothing, came back alone without his fiancé and lawyered up so quickly. If it wasn't for the guy acting so suspicious I don't think I would've given this story a second thought. I didn't even give this story a second thought until outlets kept covering it and I kept seeing videos on RUclips covering it.
I'm so invested in this case because working with DV victims, this hit too close to home. I've helped so many women and children narrowly escape a situation that would've escalated into this
Women...? There's a video of body cam footage of them being. Pulled over. Because she was beating him up causing the van to sway dangerously. He had scratches on his face and arms. Cops treated her like a queen and grilled him. He told them what happened and when they asked her about it she looked scared about getting in trouble and started crying. Cop let her off the hook smh. She looked like she was on something too.
@@THIZZAVELI that is not what the tipster said. He went on record and witnessed him hitting her. Also, brian took her phone and locked her out of HER OWN van and was going to abandon her. She jumped through the window to get back in and get her phone, both of which she has a right to. So he wouldn’t have been scratched if she didn’t have to do that to get her phone back and get in her own car. And yes, she was shook up. That happens when there is violence and she was anxious. Her friend said he was controlling and they had issues before and Gabby would stay at her friend’s house, shaken, and when Gabby would want to go out, he would steal her ID to stop her. If he was letting her beat him up, why is she the one who is dead?
Back when he had his “behind the scenes” channel, they always had whole videos where they set up the room, assemble lights/shelves etc. It was always a lot of work when they moved buildings. But I think that channel stopped back a year or two ago… at least, I never see it anymore. So not sure about the current background, but it never used to be.
This definitely has legs. My mom's cousin's daughter (Hispanic) went missing for a few days and they filed a report and asked the news to cover her, they declined because they didn't see it a pressing issue. The next day another missing person was covered on the same channel with a shorter missing period. You wanna guess the kind of person? Mmhmm.
we in europe hear, especially from americans, how progressive US is.... it really seems like fcking medieval racist mindset is way deeper there and everything is just pretending
@@chrischika7026 obviously white lives matter too, it’s just that when people usually say that it’s just cause Black Lives Matter is doing something. You rarely ever hear it in any other context.
These people are failing to remember that the only reason this case is getting so much coverage is because there is a viral video! Most news networks will always report online trends.
I agree completely. People online are obsessed with solving and following missing people and murder cases. I think that's the biggest issue here, not really the racial issue.
Gabby was an internet figure. That's why eyes are on her. If Gabby was black, eyes would be on her. It's a valid criticism but it doesn't apply to Gabby. It's a distraction and frankly disrespectful. "Simply asking questions" is the rhetoric that gets used all the time, and it's sickening.
Exactly. Also, she disappeared while her boyfriend came back home unbothered and then mysteriously also went missing. POC rights is a huge issue that needs to be raised in a lot of cases, but here I feel like it's so messed up to make it about this
From what I can tell, she had less than 1,000 followers at the time of her disappearance. So while she was beginning to build a base, I wouldn't call her an internet figure. Her disappearance is what caused her to amass such a large following. That being said, I think a lot of people started following the case because, as Anna Does Things stated, the way her boyfriend just showed up without her intrigued a lot of people. Also, I agree bringing up that POC cases do not get as much media attention does draw away from Gabby's case, but if that is the reasoning, it will never be talked about and therefore, never get publicly addressed. There is never a good time to talk about it, but it needs to be talked about.
@Sir Soma If you want more attention to be focused on POC, be more vocal and push for their deaths to be recognized. Don’t do it in the face of a another persons death. It’s not a competition.
Why is Brian Laundrie still just a "person of interest" and not a suspect? There's a body, there has been a crime. He was the last person to see her alive and has been witnessed being abusive towards her. What the hell are these cops doing?
I don't think there is much benefit from making any adjustments to his status at this time. Keep his guard down and make him feel his side of the story will be heard before any charges are filed.
Police often get farther in investigations when the subject of them feels more relaxed because he isn't a suspect yet. In interrogations, they are often more willing to talk if they are not under arrest and told the police just want basic info...but as the police ask questions and get the person to give details and timelines, they get details and contradictions they can use at trial to convict. Since Brian already seems to know he is going to be arrested and is a suspect, I think it's likely they will call him a suspect as soon as they get some evidence implicating him. Everything is circumstantial right now. But if they find a murder weapon with both their DNA on it or something... DNA results take time, though...could be weeks.
when he was talking about how he is lucky to not be "as famous" it made me remember in the old office a complete stranger walked into his office and tried to close the door with them both inside, because the camera was on Phil you can see the very understandable fear on his face when he realizes what is happening, nothing bad happened, but all it took was for that one person to be a little more unhinged for that to have been a very dangerous/deadly scene.
I think I remember that. Was that the same video where some random guy walked into the room while Phil was filming himself and Phil asked him if he was looking for someone? I never saw the guy’s face, but he sounded sketchy af! 😳
Well I do agree with Joy Reid about “missing white woman syndrome”, I do think that Gabby’s case can be distinguished, as she was known to thousands of people by virtue of her platform. So it was easier to blow up.
I think that there is defiantly a media focus on white women compared to POC but with this case its kind of unfair to use as an example when its a famous social media personality, anyone who is a famous social media personality is gonna get a lot of coverage, especially when the story has a 'true crime' feel to it with the husband being the suspected killer and then running away.
In this specific case I think the “missing white woman syndrome” backlash is unfair. I understand that in this case, this is essentially a celebrity (with 800K followers on Instagram) going missing. Obviously this was going to blow up. However, I think it’s fair that this case has sparked more conversations about what cases draw media attention or not.
She amassed that following after she disappeared. The fact everyone keeps noting how many followers she has NOW as if that was the case prior to what happened is awkward. Don't care if she has 1.9 million or 500, the gap is the media doesn't focus on missing WOC. It's like people are saying you have to be popular on social media to get attention if you go missing. She isn't a celebrity, either. She purposely left her suburban home and lived in a van as part of her IG narrative. Most of the comments on this video are people saying they don't know who she is and not many celebrities with millions of followers or money are like OMG Gabby... only the 400K followers she had at the time. Even her dad has over 200K followers now. Big jump from 1200.
@@AskMiko I’m not familiar with her following prior but 400K is huge. Again, I think it is fair and good that this case is starting a conversation about this matter - but this case was always going to blow up.
I feel like Gaby Petito's story is so big because of her fiance. If he didn't behave the way he did (so like a super guilty person) her disappearance would be treated as just one of many.
We don’t even hear the stories of missing women of colour. How do you know that their stories and the stories of the perpetrators aren’t as compelling? Because the media doesn’t cover it.
How many fiancés and husband's do this and act weirdly? A lot, and they aren't just white. Everyone here keeps making excuses for this specific case while ignoring the history of the missing white woman syndrome. It doesn't matter who her husband was, what they did for work or where they were traveling to, they aren't that unique in a country with tens of thousands of domestic homicides/missing person cases per year. Yet the ones who's cases blow up in national and often times international media are always about white women.
This case was chosen because they fit the image of a "normal" young couple, conventionally attractive, free spirited and innocent (even though we don't know them), and as a "proper" distraction from covid, Matt Gaets, failed Trump rallies, the Afghanistan withdrawal, Haiti immigration, and etc. Networks aren't stupid, they know what works and how to distract people when they need to. There's a reason why the majority of national news coverage on missing people tend to be young, blonde, non-brown eyed white women. They barely cover missing white men and rarely cover missing women of color, and there's like a 0% chance that they cover missing men of color. It's messed up, think about it.
Whenever Phil says "the most requested story" I imagine he spent the evening listening to Lindsay be like "Phil you HAVE to cover this! Listen to this..."
Whilst I don't dispute the existence of this "missing white woman syndrome", and am glad that despite the horror of this situation, it is able to spark this discussion, I would argue that this particular case is not necessarily a good example OF the problematic imbalance in coverage, given that she was a vlogger with an established audience, which would naturally bring more attention to the case from the outset since a creator's audience usually feels some kind of personal connection for the person on their screen. Thoughts with her family and friends
I 100% agree with you, if anyone with a following of almost 1 million people goes missing and is presumed dead there will be news on it because that's how our news cycle works
Honestly, I think cases like that blow up just because people are nosy. I mean, what is the newsworthiness of a missing persons case? Aside from any trends like "10th women in [city] abducted in one month" which warn citizens of any safety concerns, why do people care what happened to some random girl in Grant Teton? And I'm not saying her story wasn't worth hearing - it was, that's why obituaries exist, so people can hear someones story. So again, what is the newsworthiness? I think its just that, as a society, we're nosy. I think we do sensationalize it to a point, but also gawk at the fact that "oh this could happen to me or someone I know" but what makes that newsworthy? When writing a story, you need an actual story. I think (so don't quote me, I didn't look this up extensively before I wrote this and I'll admit to it) I've heard that a lot of those missing indigenous people cases have some sort of corruption going on behind the scenes where officials or police are involved, or sex trafficking where it's untraceable. The people essentially tell the news what they want to hear with clicks and views. If you're not captivated by a indigenous woman being captured because it has limited information because that info is in the hands of corrupt police trying to cover it up OR she's become a victim of sex trafficking which is virtually untraceable, that story isn't going to get as many clicks because it's lackluster, and it's going to tell the news outlet that people don't really care. So my point is: it's not just news outlets at fault here. If people want to see other cases blow up like Gabby's did, they need to show they care and are interested in more stories like this getting the spotlight they feel that they deserve. It's great that Gabby's case got further with how much traction it built online which resulted in how many people giving real and helpful tips after they could see names, faces, etc. If people want that for all cases, I think it's time people stop exclusively placing the blame on news outlets, saying "why don't they report on...". We have a civic duty to uphold too.
Very true. My hope is that Gabby’s case is a tragedy that makes more people aware of and care about missing persons cases, *especially* in American Indian communities where rates are astronomical. 🥲 The red handprint runners, Jordan Marie Daniel and Rosalie Fish, and editors and authors of “Deer Woman: An Anthology” need more allies. I just wish Gabby didn’t have to suffer and die to make people care. That hurts.
I asked my mom about this when I was young and JonBenet Ramsey was all over the news . I asked, " why do they keep showing her, but no on talks about the wall of missing girls at the Walmart entrance?" We lived in a mostly Hispanic area so almost all the girls were a poc.
You must've never watched the news because they show missing black kids every single night. The difference is the amount of details that the authorities are able to gather about those cases. A lot of "POC" do not want to give details to authorities so they aren't able to have much info. No sightings of these kids filling up their truck at a random gas station...because they're kids and don't do those things. These aren't kids, they're adults. I'm sorry your mother couldn't inform you on this and you've been left ignorant for all these years.
JonBenet Ramsay was murdered in her own home, but a ransom note was found that was written on paper from the mother's stationary on her desk. And that's just the start of it. The case is weird. There's lots of factors irrespective of race that made that case a media sensation. Same with the Petito case if we're honest.
@@satinsleeves Yeah, in this case, she was already famous and then people latched onto it cause they saw a weird case and wanted to see the guy get punished (even if we still have no clue what actually happened)
That would be awesome but the reason gabby had lots of coverage is she was some what famous online so the story spread alot faster because of her fans helping spread the news other wise it may have not blown up as much
The amount of exhaustion that would cause in the news cycle is unfathomable, it is just like how at first corona deaths were a huge deal and now thousands happened every day, the public does not have the ability to give so much to every case, the only reason this case is so huge has nothing to do with her being a white woman but rather a public figure, people exhaust me 😒
really, i mean what evidence is there that he killed her? being the last person to see someone (allegedly) doesn't make you the murderer. There's like half a dozen solid stories he could make up to explain his actions, that's assuming he isn't already innocent
@@mcbean1 there are alot of evidence The fact that he fled How he was seen abusing her How he was traveling with her before suddenly she died And prob more
@@thatdamncrow9197 1. He is not a suspect, you have the right to free movement, that legally cannot be held against you. 2. She was the abuser, the admitted to the police that she hit him at least twice, makes you think if she is happy to admit to that what else does she do to him. 3. What if he said: "I woke up in the middle of the night on X date, she was getting changed and told me she was leaving me, it was over, I've met someone, keep the van as a breakup/I'm sorry gift. She then left and got into a car that had pulled up, I couldn't see anything because it was night time, I never saw her again. I was so upset and embarrassed about the breakup I didn't want to talk about it. I didn't know she was dead until I heard it on the news." alternately, "We were sleeping in the van someone broke in and grabbed her, pulled her out of the van and killed her, I couldn't see the person very well because it was dark but he said if you tell anybody i'll kill you too. That's why I didn't talk and that's why I left for fear that person will hurt my family." There is no reason that my made up story isn't also 100% the truth. 4. Saying there probably is more evidence is not really good enough to say there is a lot of evidence. What you basically have is all circumstantial evidence and not very good evidence at that seeing as they were a couple, he doesn't need to explain why he was with her.
Although I think the criticism is 100% valid and true, Gabby Petito's case has gained so much traction partly because she was a person who had a lot of online presence. People have had the ability to "get to know her", empathize, and theorize.
It got media coverage because of what happened. They went on a trip that was well documented by gabby online, then he came back without gabby and immediately went missing. The van was found for evidence as well, parked off in the woods.
@@_sc300 what does that prove ? Also your numbers are incorrect as it's 230 000 poc who are REPORTED missing as of currently. Gabby, may she rest in peace, had maybe 1000 followers before this case. This case has highlighted so much about the media and criminal justice system. While they were searching for gabby about 10 other bodies were found, really let that magnitude sink in. These ppl were reported missing but no-one in the criminal/forensic investigation aswell as media community cared and not even enough to open up a new case with the same effort towards justice for these 10 bodies. They were simply labelled as "not gabby" and cast aside, It's beyond heartbreaking. It would be ignorant to deny that this isn't about looking the part or in other words being the right race and "perfect victim". They were Asian hate crimes happening all over the U.S. and Asian women were going missing at an astounding rate due to this corona outbreak. These poor ladies were not even given a single blip of attention from the networks plus no effort from the criminal justice system either. BIPOC and indigenous people are twice as likely to go missing... so where is the coverage for those people? The last thing I want to do is divide communities by race but that's what's happening. Minorities are being overlooked continuously with these type of things and any time it's mentioned people such as yourself brush it aside. When over the millions of missing people reports and even homocide cases, spanning from *years* have not had a single poc get the coverage/effort and attention white communities seem to get time and time again. I would have hoped you'd have deleted your comment by now
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With regards to the "missing white woman syndrome" case, as a white Australian I brought up a similar concern and distaste with our own media reporting as it pertains to reports of white Australian citizens being detained overseas and the lengths at which our government seem to go - publicly - in order to bring those people home, in stark contrast to the seemingly nonexistent reporting of non-white nationals being detained or held overseas under the same circumstances. A perfect example of this would be the Schapelle Corby case, where a white woman was detained and subsequently jailed in Indonesia for drug trafficking - she made national headlines repeatedly for years here, and I personally put a lot of it down to her ethnicity and the fact that her and some of her white family members had been party to drug-related incidents in the past. Given her initial arguments were typical of other 'young white tourists' to the area - she was unaware she was carrying the drugs, she'd met a charming local but didn't get their real name, etc etc. (Brokedown Palace, anyone?) - it is unknown what the statistics are of foreigners to Indonesia and other nations in that area that are tourist hot spots with strict anti-drug laws that are detained and/or charged and then imprisoned, and just what the demographic split is between white tourists and non-white tourists. It almost seems as if our white-dominated media networks, in a similar way to our patriarchally-dominated western societies, have biases and agendas in their structures of fearmongering and narrative-control...
I do think the Corby case was more important for casting light on the laws of Indonesia and what punishment could follow. A huge amount of the discussion around her case was the 'crime' she committed was considered extremely minor, yet the punishment was extreme and the place she was entering was rife with drugs anyway.
Something else that also might be relevant to this discussion is that (at least not in my memory) the non-white cases don't even make it to the news. So from my perspective its not as if I'm seeing a missing person's case about a white person and a person of colour and decided that one is more interesting than the other. I'm only seeing one side which makes me wonder if there is one level of the newsroom floor where these cases get removed or if they aren't considered by journalists in the first place.
In regards to gabby, I think the story took off because there was a huge bread trail to follow. People could get attach easier since a story and backstory was already there which made it super relatable. People even got to see her mannerisms on video. Wasn’t a normal missing person case. I also think it has to do with RUclips having more of an influence than people realize. Her being a “RUclipsr” made it click baitable.
@@wilbing8465 yep it was honestly a real life Netflix plot. That’s why it grabbed my interest. There’s only so much the media can report on where there’s simply no leads. The Bali Nine had some people of colour and that made huge headlines. It’s cause it was an interesting story.
You're just buying into the lie... the background has always been real, it's Phil who is digitally inserted into a static shot.. He hasn't been real since 2015...
@@axaaril well No need to ever celebrate anything you or your kids accomplishes, because there's a 99.9999% chance that it's already been done before. Sure makes life easy.
Police find out Brian beat his woman: “I sleep” Police find out Brian took her vehicle: “we don’t have time for that” Police find out Brian had unauthorized use of a bank card: “REAL SHIT; Arrest Warrant Issued!!!!”
While I agree that POC’s cases tend to be swept under the rug more often, there’s some extraneous factors that explain why Gabby Petito’s case is getting more attention aside from her being white. 1.) She has an Instagram with 800k followers who were following her road trip and disappearance in real time. Her fans were extremely worried when things began going wrong.Already explains why her case got more attention right off the bat compared to random strangers who weren’t documenting the last days of their lives to 100K+ people. • The unique situation of someone going missing while on a road trip with their fiancé intrigues people more than regular missing cases. Often missing cases are attributed to runaways, getting lost in the woods, possible kidnappings, etc. Gabby’s situation falls outside these common types, which results more interest. • Her boyfriend’s behavior and the police calls leading up to her death is extremely suspicious and invites people to act like internet detectives. Not many missing cases have this kind of info released to the public for sleuths to speculate on. The more info, the more interest.
Yes exactly. The media actually had very little to do with how much the story blew up from what I've seen. I feel like more of it had to do with social media posts and public intrigue as opposed to media biases.
The number of Instagram followers she has is a direct result of all the media attention she's since received. On the 14th she only had 13k followers on Instagram. With your second point, i'd bring up the case of Lauren Cho. She was also on a cross country trip from Jersey to California. The last person to see her was a male acquaintance. Her story is now only getting a lot of attention because people are asking why did Gabby's become this national story while Lauren's wasn't really even a blip on the radar.
1) Her IG account amassed a HUGE strong following after she went missing. I know she was popular, but people acting like she had national fame isn't true. She was living the "van girl" life as part of her IG presence. 2) Agree the footage of her traveling and the police cam footage then her disappearance makes the story more "clicks and shares" 3) In general, it cannot be denied that white missing women get more news coverage which is the point. How do we get the media to focus on missing women more often without the blonde hair, petite, blue eyed guise is the gap 4) Her BF is a predator which makes the story more sizzle worthy - even I agree that I'm following the case intensely 5) The media slant on focusing on some women nationally while others are barely mentioned has occurred for decades and Gabby shouldn't be the spotlight to show such bias. My hear hurts for her family and the warning signs were all over the police cam footage... we need to support more women getting into law enforcement to balance the attitude that whatever a man says is what's actually happening. She looked terrified and her BF did a lot of talking. I bet those officers are thinking twice about letting them go.
This is total true for POCs missing persons cases. As a true crime fan myself I often have to dig to get any updates, info or coverage when someone non-white goes missing or murdered.
The issue is'nt that Petito is getting too much attention, the issue is that everyone deserves the same attention. When men go missing, we hardly ever hear a thing
i agree to a point. i think the system fails to protect women in general and this certain case is just as important and proves that. no where on Beyoncé’s green earth should you take a cross country trip with someone, come back, then say i don’t know where that person is. after 10 days.
I actually think the reason Gabby's case is so viral is because it's not a simple missing case, the murderer was SO obvious. So there was a very clear leaf and suspicious behavior for people to report on and get upset about.
However a lot of poc have similar cases. Many poc particularly indigenous Americans have gone missing near highways in the thousands over the past few decades, many believed to be victims of serial killers or murder victims. Yet they still go uncovered by the media
Not the point but I guess that's the narrative we're going with as a country. Indigenous mother : "What about my daughter?" America : "Shhhh, don't be rude."
Phil I would like to see you do a small segment with missing person posters. So many of us watch you more than the traditional news, we could help SO MANY people get the platform they deserve
news stations are the ones giving us most of our info on her case and then they get upset when we only know the people they cover. If they opened up conversations, id like to think more attention would be paid to other cases
I've never seen a missing persons case not draw eyes. It's not the people watching that are there "fascinated" by a missing white woman. It's the media going "HEY LOOK, LOOK AT THIS" and then covering it nonstop like it's a breaking story that will change the nation.
Exactly. They can cover what they want, if they cared about the other cases then talk about it. Also Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony weren't top stories because the victims were white women. They were top stories because pretty women were involved AND it was a specific, targeted case. A single murder gets far more coverage than multiple murders in Chicago almost every weekend because "1 death is a tragedy, 1 million deaths is a statistic" (Joseph Stalin). Canada has a similar issue with Aboriginal women going missing and the tribes claim to want the government to bring closer attention to this and that the murders/disappearances are occurring because of discrimination but they're almost all exclusively occurring in tribal lands, meaning by other Aboriginals.
@@theoaure3774 “aboriginal” is derogatory, the Indigenous peoples who live in so called Canada prefer (ideally addressing them by their appropriate Tribe name) First Nation/Indigenous/Métis/Inuit.
I think Gabby's unfortunate situation is being talked about so much due to being involved in RUclips. Us viewers can be very passionate and caring to our favourite creators so it can happen. Then it gets more traction and so on. Not saying that all groups have an equal amount of news but I don't see this is a good example to show the unbalance.
People saying she's just "asking a question" about white woman syndrome are the same people who got mad when people were asking about other races during the BLM protests. And the same response can be used: this isn't the time to discuss other people or problems.
But you could still say “why are these RUclips creators (and TikTokers) so focused on Gabby Petito?” And “Would the creators be as interested if the missing person were BIPOC?” I think that saying people on RUclips are talking about it so everyone else is talking about it is TRUE, but doesn’t fully answer the question being asked.
I think it's a bit hard to compare this particular case with cases of POC going missing because the fact that Gabby had a following of fans (I think, I havent found much information outside of this case in particular) that are looking into the case as well. I don't deny that even nameless white girls have more effort put into them than those of color, but the only situation that I think could compare to this is when people were looking for Etika. I'm definitely open to be corrected on this.
Exactly, they garnered an Instagram and RUclips traction documenting their travel so when it appeared they fell out & that she had gone missing? You already have an already preexisting fan base there to generate interest and traction in the case.
Re: “Why are we talking about this story when [insert other horrible cases here]” - I don’t know, Media, you tell me. I knew nothing about this person a week ago and I’ve just been inundated with news coverage for a week now apropos of nothing about it. Yes, it’s a horrible occurrence, no one deserves this, but I personally don’t have any investment in the story to follow it. The only reason I know exactly what happened to her, who she was, and how her body was found, etc is because headlines have been pushed to me as notifications and Phil has talked about it two days running now. So, Joy Reid, please, why are you asking *me* this when you should be perhaps asking yourself? I’m guessing part of it is personal reflection in the story, seeing yourself in the victim: Joy Reid would be more invested if the victim in question was a person of color. I would be more invested if the victim was an openly gay individual. Most of the country is white, so most people care about Gabby. And I’m not saying this is morally right or anything, but that’s my best guess as to why this is. Honestly this whole conversation just feels weird to begin with.
It shouldn't matter if most Americans are white when most cases are non Caucasian. But regardless when the media covers only 30% of one race while half the cases of another is shocking imo
The media is a reflection of ourselves. They show what people are interested in. The reason the media covered this so much is because it was already becoming massively popular online, on tiktok and reddit. People were already very interested before the news blew it up.
Smo0thCriminal4 - it shouldn’t matter, no. But then race/ethnicity shouldn’t matter in general, and yet here we are, still dealing with the effects of centuries of it mattering to people...
On Blizzard, "they are in talks to settle in the millions..." Millions. Blizzard is a multi-fucking-BILLION dollar gaming company. They are number FIVE on the list of Highest Grossing Gaming Publishers. They on record make around 8.1 BILLION yearly as of just last year- all the while losing a player base for one of the most iconic MMO franchises in human history, they made an even higher net profit than when the game was gaining new players. Million dollar settlement. What a fucking toss.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Settling could shed billions from the company's market cap. Post-Enron and metoo, investors generally don't like to be associated with companies that could lead to them being shamed. This is why so many companies virtue signal as much as possible. They're trying to give the impression that they're "hip" and "progressive" and "on the right side of history" even if they're none of those things. Remember the Gillette ad bashing men? What did that do to their stock price? (Spoiler: It went up)
The workers of Blizzard have made the company millions if not billions , if the company isn't doing it's job then they deserve their money, that their work made.
@@cherriescrows1963 I'm really not. Blizzard is one of the best at exploiting their "employees" since, spoiler- a good chunk of their workforce is unpaid interns that they influenced to join their workforce because they'd be with the most amazing video game company ever; "Blizzard Entertainment" before telling them that even their own employees have to live at bare-minimum 3 to 4 a home because they aren't paid enough to live otherwise. Besides, even if they do settle- they have nothing keeping them to adherence to anything they are told to do. Massive companies can break just about any law if they have a good enough contract (which generally comes to over 30+ pages to ensure that most people won't read it) and people being brave enough to speak up on the issue. It took YEARS for people to step up, and from what I can tell it was only due to Blizzard being in such a poor light that they wouldn't have enough pull to just kill the movement ASAP with a few well places emails/calls from HR. Edit: I mixed up my settlements so had to reword my second paragraph. However, my point still stands that Blizzard isn't going to be forced into anything since the only people getting the money at Blizzard are at the very top- as the settlement I had originally referenced is literally only looking out for the board members and Investors.
Y'know, any time I see someone call a company 'too big to fail', I like to pull out a little known thing called the South Sea Trading Company. The English called it 'too big to fail' and yet when the bubble burst, everyone lost everything except for those at the tippity top. *Bubbles can, and DO burst. You are not immune to financial ruin based on a company's poor money management based on how it seems to be doing on the outside.*
what i don't get is how was it able to be a business when it can't make profit. Like i understand borrowing money to make another leap for the business. But.... wtf was going on here. Sounds like without it being able to borrow money it can't make money. which doesn't make any sense. Because what the fuck is it even selling to get the loans in the first place. After all why would they be given money if they aren't able to pay it back.
@@ALegitimateRUclipsr Evergrande owns several companies and made a bunch of investments on borrowed money that they probably were hoping for were going to pay off all of their debt. They kicked the can down the road and had too high expectations, now the company, the Chinese and the world will suffer the consequences. Constant borrowing, spending and deregulation has been a Chinese state policy for quite some time which they recently realized wasn't sustainable. The laws are more stringent now but it may be too late.
The one difference with Gabby is that she is an online person, aka she has a big following already. Not defending or saying there isn't such a thing as a missing white woman syndrome, I know there is. Just stating that in her case, that could be why it spread so much and so quickly.
Good comment, but the part about missing white woman syndrome is wrong. It's racists to even thing about it in those terms. It's funny how much poc are racist themselves xD
And more so I would say it was the way she dissapeared. If she had just one day not returned home, it wouldnt be that "interesting". But the fact that we know shes been with her boyfriend on a long trip, she suddenly stops responding and now we see the boyfriend return home in their van without her! Because we can all point our finger at the guy with a 90% certainty that he at the very least abandoned her but most likely murdered her, yet nothing can legally be done without concrete proof. Not to mention this guy has now dissapeared. Idk trying to compare this particular case to missing white woman syndrome is like wondering why the WNBA pulls less views than the NBA. People watch the other not because their sexist, but because they're more interested in it. People want to watch this case because it has more bizarre events compared to the average kidnapping, disappearance, or murder. And like you said that doesnt discount that white woman disappearance syndrome is still an issue for other reasons, I just dont think it's really comparable here.
Mmm I would also add an extra layer to that, that statistically it's also been conventionally attractive, young, white women as the top focus (the whole damsel in distress vibes). When the Gabby situation was really gaining momentum last week, there was already criticism against the media and law enforcement that there was nowhere near as much coverage or adequate help help/deeper investigation into the case of Crystal Turner/Beck and her wife Kylen Schulte.
#FindJelaniDay praying for his family. Hoping Jelani gets found soon. He's been missing from my campus, Illinois State University, for almost a month now. He deserves the same coverage Gabby got.
She didnt get the coverage because of her race. Its because she had an online presence, went missing during a road trip and then her BF returned without her and refused to speak to police. Its an interesting missing persons case thats it. I dont know why everything has to be turned into outrage and equality.
Gabby got attention because she had a “van life” community that pushed it hard. I heard about her story long before the media found it because I follow a lot of the van life Reddit channels. She had a slight following and cops bungled the case horribly. There’s plenty of white women who are currently missing that the media doesn’t care about.
I think the MWWS thing is misplaced. This story is getting coverage because she had a large following and theres a lot of evidence/footage of her. Kind of hard to write an article when you don't have any details. Just my two cents.
I think a large portion of why Gabby Petito going missing blowing up was due to how RV'ers come together as a community. I am in several RV forums and this story was spreading before any actual news announcements. It was blowing up on the RV reddit page, being shared on multiple facebook RV groups, and beginning to be shared by RV youtubers. Then the media took to it. Actually shocked myself how much it blew up nationwide. We tend to look out for each other. Especially with the boom of van life people and new RV-ers in general.
No it isnt because of RV'ers but you ar kinda onto it by saying it is because of what she did. It is because is it a combo of her being a white woman (cause yes I do believe that has a slight bearing on it) and mostly cause she was a decently popular youtuber. And that is the biggest thing that they are a youtubers
This is actually really interesting, I never knew this and I'm sure many others also didn't. I'm curious how much of an effect it had specifically on this case however, I can't help but agree to the evidence of lack of media coverage even despite this case.
She had fans, and the story of her death was interesting which is why it was reported on. It was for the ratings, the example Joy Reid gave wasn’t interesting, and the guy wasn’t “famous”. It has nothing to do with race but they have to make it have everything to do with race, again, for ratings.
But it's not just this case though? If you look at the numbers, you'd see that about 60% of all missing persons cases are bipoc, but they end up getting less than 30% of the news coverage overall. Makes no sense. And as we all know, news media puts pressure on cops to at least do something about it, otherwise they'd sweep every case under the rug...
I mean only around 13 to 18 percent of Texans support a no exceptions abortion ban (according to tribune), so I actually wouldnt be surprised if it took a bit for a Texas lawsuit to happen. Abbott is catering to a relatively small and dedicated group
Well, people are very diverse. There's definitely Texans that's would do any dirty, vile thing you can think of. Not saying anything about anything in the video, and while people ARE amazing, just saying people are definitely worse than you think.
im absolutely convinced the law is just a distraction from other more important things. Restrictive voting laws for example being passed amongst other things. Its a loud distraction and its working because many people feel so strongly about it.
@@soicancommentonvideo Spot on. Sad part is, self awareness doesn't really help. You can know you're being self destructive and be 100% aware of it, yet be helpless to stop your own behavior. Same thing in this case, but transferred from the individual to the group.
Evergrande: It's not just them. This is basically how the entire Chinese residential development industry works. Housing development is one of the major pillars of the unprecedented economic growth in China and it is entirely based on leveraged money and depends on constantly increasing growth. The entire industry will collapse as economic growth slows down. I worry that this is just the first signs of it. It's not a problem exclusive to China. This is how you can have American billionaires who consistently lose massive amounts on every new project, as long as they keep growth up they can cover the bills as they come due. Once growth stagnates, they collapse. It's just the American economy doesn't literally identify it's success with these schmucks as extensively as the Chinese economy does.
So I wanted to explain why your comment and lot of Phil's take on the Evergrande issue are somewhat overblown. I am not doing this to condescend but his points are extremely sensationalistic and reach very far. I say this as a huge long time fan but the stretches people are making here are not rooted in facts or reality. The comment you made on billionaires are losing "massive amounts on every new project", is simply not true on a mass scale. If this was true then every bank in the US would fail, considering large portions of their balance sheets consist of Commercial Real Estate, real estate developments or speculative lending. The 2008 failure is why Dodd-Frank created capital requirements, risk limits, and stricter underwriting laws for Real Estate loans. This is an extremely reduced explanation but the risk of evergrande defaulting is spread out across multiple firms and they reserve for exactly this type of issue. People are profiting off of scaring investors and market panic, and I just wanted to share that most of this is completely overblown. However, the contagion and fear is real and could cause real issues because people are acting off of emotions and not logic.
Okay, that helps me understand why some are linking this to the financial crisis the US went through with the banks and "too big to fail". I couldn't see a correlation with just one company, but given what you've said it makes more sense that it's the industry in China and Evergrande is just the one getting the attention.
As you said, its not just exclusive to China, America does this with TONS of things. Its partially why we end up in recessions. Its the foundation of capitalism, accrue debt in hopes for growth to pay back said debt and be bigger/more sustainable after the fact. This same model we actually apply to our cities, we expect growth and keep building suburbs (which are proven to not make money taxation wise due to insane maintience cost) in hopes that growth will continue, and new money and inflation will pay for the maintience of the older neighborhoods, its partially why cities like Detroit got completely destroyed when the population dropped because they didn't have new money coming in to maintain their older suburbs. Our cities aren't built efficiently like the rest of the world. America's economy is all one in the same, the only difference is, America doesn't have the balls to ever do anything to rich people/corporations, our tax laws and ability to accrue debt allow our country to be a haven for businesses, but its also the ONLY REASON our country is as rich as it is, therefore, we don't bite the hand that feeds us. China on the otherhand doesn't seem to care as much about growth but rather they're trying to prevent recessions by not allowing businesses to over leverage debt, which is smart IMO, but whether burning businesses will work or not, time will tell. As long as labor is cheap and trade is big, I don't see them having any issues.
@@laurel1018 I absolutely agree with you on everything you've said about the US banking system (I'm been a financial analyst for a long time), however, when it comes to looking at the Evergrande situation and how it may (or may not) correlate to the 2008 crisis, if what the original commenter said is true and this is symptomatic of what the entire Chinese industry is doing, then it's very possible that if those companies were allowed to fail it could cripple the Chinese economy. I don't know enough about the Chinese real estate industry to validate what was said but if it's true then China will have no choice but to prop Evergrande up and secure their financial standing.
The thing that tickles me about this is that the news is the major player in deciding what story gets coverage or not, and yet ... they blame their own inherent racial prefs on the viewers.
seriously Joy, do the legwork yourself and research some BIPOC missing person stories and put them into the public eye. You have your own show, you are the media; it's your job to highlight these things. Otherwise this isn't about the issue at hand, it's about using the issue to bash white people. Are we part of the problem or the solution? Let's be part of the solution.
How many news outlets are saying this tho? It seems like it's primarily one person, Joy Reid, discussing the issue and other outlets simply seem to be talking about Reid. Personally I don't think this is a case of white woman missing syndrome, like other people have stated there is an usually high amount of information about this case circulating, so of course people are going to be more invested. But I also think it's fair to point out about missing white people getting more coverage than POC. As far as who to blame, of course news outlets are solely responsible for what stories they cover, so they deserve much of the blame. But at the end of the day, they're a company. They don't act on morals, they act on profits. And if people tune in more often when a white person is missing than a person of color, they're going to lean in to that. In that sense, viewers do hold some responsibility
This caught my eye because it used to be known as "hot white chick in distress" syndrome back in the day when I was younger. The media's coverage of this case disgusts me.
My ability to trust was already put into question after finding out recently that not only have I been cheated on by my long term partner, but everyone I'm close to knew about it but didn't say anything, *but this shit just pushed me over the edge*
@@surelock3221 Welcome to reality. People literally don't care about your feelings. That's your business to take care of. Even your family aided in cucking you. Think about that. Think about how they defended your partner while knowing they were unfaithful. That's because YOU should of seen it coming. That's what being a man is like- every- day.
The reason Gabby has got so much media attention is that they were bloggers and RUclipsrs with a very large following. That meant by default that it was going to be thrust into the public eye more than most, on top of that was the peculiar nature of the disappearance with the boyfriend showing up and not telling anyone. It all comes together to capture the public attention and imagination and make the disappearance blow up.
They didn’t have a large following though. She had about 1000 Instagram followers when she went missing and they only had one video on their RUclips channel.
Lol. Large following? Your comment exposes how quickly people speak out of their ass with no basis in reality They had one video and less then 5k followers
Yes, you’re right. I was also thinking the same thing. Adding.. it’s F’ed up that some of the deaths got No coverage at all?! 1:53 don’t people want to know if there are murderers in their state/city? That’s messed up.
I live in Utah, and indigenous people go missing here all the time. It's never reported on the news as the majority of the news stations in Utah are Fox or KSL based both of which have been notoriously dismissive at best and hostile at worst, the only reason I know about it at all is that I work with charity groups who work on the Navajo reservation, and have family who are members of a local Blackfoot band. It's a constant, people go missing, a lot of times they supposedly just "wander out into the desert never to be seen again". This coupled with the fact that a lot of times indigenous communities are underserved medically and over policed makes it's more and more clear that the American genocide of indigenous groups never really ended, we just stopped talking about it.
That's terrible, and it sounds very similar to how many assumed violence against black people had ended before the BLM movement finally began to cast some light on the racist origins of the nation's police force. I'm glad that we are finally arriving at a place in history where we can begin to address the insurmountable amount of aggression and violence aimed towards members of the black, asian, and indigenous communities in the country. No more silence on the culture of minority violence out of fear for self-preservation, now is the most important time to have a voice
The Petito Case: When Phil first reported on her missing I remember my first gut instinct was “Oh- Oh he murdered her.” Like it was extremely clear that that poor lady had ended up dead somewhere and that her partner would be facing a trial soon. And that’s the thing, it’s because it’s a story you’ve heard a million times, told to you in detail with witnesses, suspects and all. But only when the victim is white. I cannot name a well-known African-American victim, nor a Native-American one. They are never talked about, the public is never warned of on the run suspects like this and it is never covered, neither in the news or later in true-crime (no matter if the crime is unsolved or not). It’s a horrible disservice to minorities when their bodies go unreported on, uncared for and disrespected, both in life and in death.
I totally agree! Ngl, as a user new to tiktok I was blown away by how quickly it blew up on there and am genuinely curious as to how much tiktok played a role In this blowing up
@@nixonwilliams-nixwilly-7408 It started on Reddit then blew up on TT. While I agree with this, that you rarely hear of missing minorites, I think this case was just a matter of people jumping on a band wagon when people started playing detective. Maybe a good thing to come out of that is that minority cases WILL get attention. A thought...I rarely see minority families pleading for help. Do you think it's because they fear working with authorities? Just a thought
@@JulieAnnPowell My friends on Facebook repost minority disappearances everyday. The families in these posts will rely on anyone if it gets their loved ones back. From what it sounds like, these cases have very little traction outside of their demographics to get the attention they deserve.
@@JulieAnnPowell oh okay, that actually makes even more sense! I also agree with your last statement; and it was the social media (like Reddit and tiktok) that made it easier to jump onto the wagon!
Agreed but if they’re not putting out warnings about people of color who are on the run wouldn’t that mean that they think white men are more dangerous than people of color who commit the same crimes?
The Gabby Petito case is extremely unique, both her and her boyfriend had nearly a million followers on instagram and now her boyfriend, who was nearly as much of a celebrity as she was, is on the run. Of course it’s getting more media coverage. I wish crimes against WOC were taken more seriously and trying to use the Gabby Petito case to talk about “Missing White Woman Syndrome” is bound to sabotage that conversation because of how unique the situation is.
It also feels like people are "punishing" Gabby in a way. Its not her fault her case is getting so much attention, but people seem to be directing their (understandable) frustration at her vs at the media. Feels wrong :(
They only have that many followers since the disappearance went super viral though. She had around 100k followers when I first heard of the case (and it was already viral) and he had ~70k.
Hahaha I left a comment complimenting that nice big artwork a month or 2 ago and said someone tell me I was an idiot to think you didn't use a green screen. Imagine the actual chroma keying effort that would be for WHAT
My heart breaks for GP’s family, but I did find it quite odd when I was scrolling RUclips that in almost every row of videos, there were some news video on GP’s case when this definitely (unfortunately) isn’t a breakout case. People go missing (unfortunately) all the time. I was thinking, “maybe it’s because she was an influencer” but even influencer deaths (white or black) hadn’t gotten THIS much coverage (it’s probably also because the suspected culprit is still on the run)
"but even influencer deaths" She had disappeared. They didn't know if she was dead or not. There was also a number of clues to where she could be. Police had contact with them not long before the disappearance. Not the same as random kid gone missing and no clues to their whereabouts.
She didn't even have that large of a following until after she missing. 🤷 RUclips channel blew up After the news started going crazy with it same as Instagram
@@sam90-o8t Because that wasn't the big deal about it. It was the footage before her disappearance and other odd behaviors noticed by the fiance. Not the same as a random kid "POC" that goes missing and there's nothing but someone saying "I last saw him when he left for school" and literally nothing else.
@@marksommers4179 How do you know it wasn't the same case for a POC if they don't give them the same attention? I don't remember the same attention for Leslie Palacios?
I just think, the day she's identified and declared deceased, seems pretty insensitive when bringing up "missing white woman syndrome." Topic needs to be discussed but the timing was horrible. People will just dismiss it.
Thing is. They do it on purpose.. They know that no1 will call em out on it. The second u say hold on, the timing of you mentioning MWPS was wrong and insensitive. Ull just get called a rasict.
@@SB-h8y1ds that's true. It's a horrible situation and I can't imagine how her parents feel. Hopefully this will be the Gappy Petito Effect and help highlight and locate people of all genders and races.
@@fwoqma didn't read my other point I see. Lol. The Gabby Petito case just hit me close cause I'm building my van currently to travel. But as a Mexican, I definitely see the point of "lost white woman syndrome."
She had a following, I dont think the media coverage is solely due to her being white and that her following contributed. However, the response to her case from law enforcement has been oddly quick compared to that of similar cases brought up where the victim was of color.
And nobody complains that the media only covers black people who are shot by police, even though it statistically happens more often to white people. If anything, the media is heavily biased toward people of color. Joy Reid is an idiot
I think it's also because it's a rather odd and unfortunately intriguing story. It's not your typical boyfriend kills girlfriend and goes on the run case. As has been stated by others, it's like watching a true crime episode in real time.
Her following was only 1000 people before she was killed. If she had been a man, we never would have heard about her. The only reason the nation is so focused on her case in particular is because she's an attractive young woman.
People like narratives, easier to digest. The all-American girl going missing is just classic. Ethnic people stories aren’t told enough to be classic. We need more of our stories told.
This is true, but I feel like we should have waited a bit before launching in with the "missing white woman" narrative. Her body's barely cold, and we're already making this about black and white? It just feels wrong to me. Its like when Kobe died. I know he was accused of rape, and we really should talk about that. But do we have to talk about that when he JUST died (at the time) and his family is still reeling from that?
ethnic people's stories, especially those of missing Indigenous people, are told so little but happen so often each case just becomes part of a statistic. No memorable names, no distinct stories, just numbers. It's really sad.
@@renaissauce9516 The fact that minority stories are so much harsher and sadder and more horrifying is also taken into consideration. Like what kind of News Media would want to cover Sheriff Gangs and how they kill minorites and rig evidence to make it look like a suicide or "dangerous situation."
@@luckyducky7819 Nah fuck that. Now is the perfect time to talk about this. She's dead. What's she gonna do? Come back to life and complain? While people are still fascinated in their own racist and/or sexist ways at this news (unless you're one of her fans), say it to their faces that you would NOT give a damn if Gabby was some indigenous / black / POC lady who's homeless and/or a drug abuser and/or just poor.
This weird turn to race when it comes to gabby petito just feels like two different issues. POC aren’t discussed and reported on in the news yes, but the whole reason we are following this story is because of her following on Instagram, she isn’t just a random white girl to a lot of people. It’s also incredibly rude and disrespectful to gabby’s family who is mourning the loss of their daughter as we speak. People need to stop Belittling other people’s pain because it doesn’t fit the narrative they like.
According to Social Blade, Gabby's following on Instagram on September 14th was just 13,511. Today it's 940k. Her following on Instagram is specifically because of this case rather than her being some social media celebrity prior to it.
Joy Reid is absolutely right. There were like 6000 missing or murdered indigenous women last year and I've never heard of any of them a single time, but Gabby is the only thing I've heard about for like a whole ass week. Not that we shouldn't care about Gabby, but we should put that same energy and effort into cases that aren't about a white girl with blonde hair and blue eyes.
I actually watched Joy doing this story yesterday and I have to say that I agree with her but imo she was occasionally borderline tone deaf and other times completely tone deaf. She has a right to her anger but it just came off really wrong. This girl was a social media influencer and there was a lot of video footage to use. She knows this. She's a reporter. She knows why this specific person is getting more attention.
@Hoenheim Elric …uh, why does that even matter? Do you think there are no people of color with significant followings? None? Like yeah I can’t name three black tictokers, I couldn’t name three white ones either
phil, to the stalker story: You dont need to be a huge mega star for that. ask the ladies on twitch. most of the bigger creators there had / have one, or multiple stalkers. Chocobars said, she believes she will die at her stalkers hands, and police still cant do anything. amouranth had the trash at her house lit on fire, which almost burned it down. others had people show up at their house uninvited and demand entry, or threaten them with sexual assault. hell, you know meg turney and gavin free, right? they had a guy show up at their house, armed and ready to kill them.There are tonns of stories like that. crazy will always find you. the Nr 1 tip that you hear for women streaming, is to close all DMs and to never make anyone feel closer to them, because thats how you invite crazy.
Hell does anyone remember that crazy journal of a guy creeping on and inventing and entire relationship between himself and a coworker he’d barely spoken to? After she moved away he attempted to kidnap her and his freaky journals were used as evidence. She’d just existed in the same office as him and that was enough.
@@Lillith-uj7tt Yup, I was for about 3 years, I was an mmo player, just a random in millions and someone decided they liked me enough for all that, but as soon as I turned them down it started
@@Lillith-uj7tt yes this. I didn't even have an actual following (less than 400 followers) on twitch and I got landed with a stalker I had to deal with for over 3 years.
I think the reason the Gabby Petito missing case has more eyes because they were influencers in the van life community. More eyes initially to boost the story to make it into the headline news
Ok but you just ignored the history of missing white woman syndrome. Like this happens all the time. And it's crazy because as a black woman, I didn't know about this term when I found out about gabby. Yet after the 2nd day of coverage, just on RUclips, I literally said to myself "why do these missing white women always take up so much time in the news," followed by all my thoughts on the hundreds of thousands of missing black and brown CHILDREN who never get this type of coverage. Yet once a year some token white woman dominates the news coverage for reasons like this.
@@dg2071 The only reason they cared about these people was that they were semi-famous and its a good story. Their race has 0 to do with why this story is headlines.
Right if it happened to a couple of a different race I’m almost 1000% sure it would gain the same traction it’s just silly to assume we only talk about it because she was white 😒😤
I don’t think Gabby missing person cases Is a race issue. It has to do because 1. she was an influencer 2. The strange Circumstances of the case 3. The boyfriend Weird behavior
It's so stupid that they completely left out the fact that she had 100k+ following. I promise you if a person of color with a huge following goes missing and the case was this odd it would get just as much attention. So stupid.
Gabby’s whiteness plays into how much attention her story received. BIPOC issues just simply don’t receive the same level at all and requires horrible circumstances to make them newsworthy in the way white folks automatically are prioritized.
300,000 pale ladies go missing, only one being showed. No progress for any woman. Sorry I dont know all their names or if they can organize via identity to focus the scope. Not to mention they stop tracking inter rac ial s ex crimes... so who know with that number.
She literally works in the media, if anyone has the power to start this change it's people in her position. Terrible moment to be starting this discussion, though, let the family grieve in peace.
Thank you for pointing out what should be the obvious. But people are too set in their beliefs to take a step back and realize that Joy Reid and others are hypocrites.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Her body was *just* found, I understand the intention and I'm not denying this is a problem but if you were a parent watching the news and you heard her statement you would find it offensive
This is not the first time that this has been brought up. The last time POC brought up this topic was when Natalie Holloway went missing from a school trip in Aruba. Also when it comes to pushing stories news agencies push what gets ratings. A missing black or indigenous person will/doesn't get the same attention.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Is it really? Who is the discussion ever for? She's talking to the viewers but she's literally on the network that's perpetuating the issue she's complaining about. We're not the ones she needs to be talking to, it's her bosses she should be taking to task. Naturally though addressing the problem internally wouldn't drive ratings, whereas having her generate controversy on air does. [insert "We're all trying to find the guy who did this!" meme]
I get the whole “missing white woman syndrome” thing, but didn’t this particular story blow up because of her nearly 1M followers? So had a huge audience which makes her a minor celebrity, so of course her case got a lot of attention. But I do understand the phenomenon you talked about. I do hear about stories about PoC going missing. I heard one just a week or so ago about a woman who had a large instagram following and she was tracked down and murdered by a stalker who then killed himself if I remember correctly. Really sad story, especially because she was young and she actually did a lot to hide her real identity from the internet.
No, because she has nearly 1 million followers because of this story. She only had 13k followers on the 14th. If her follower count were that massive from the start, then the "Missing White Woman Syndrome" argument obviously wouldn't hold water since it'd be obvious why the media were paying so much attention to her. But that's not the case. She was just starting out.
Yep, the media is gonna report on what gets them views and clicks- it either 1. is a pretty girl (Casey Anthony, Schapelle Corby, Amanda Knox, Laci Peterson) or 2. fits in a political narrative (George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor) or 3. a celebrity (Michael Jackson) 4. Encompasses all of those narratives (OJ Simpson) . The thing is Gabby's disappearance made INTERNATIONAL news with the vast majority of people having absolutely no idea who she was prior to her disappearance. As there is a saying, some disappearances create marches-protests and others are a just a footnote in a newspaper. She is a pretty white girl so people are going to subconsciously sympathise with her more.
The way I see it, is that the story had plenty of "interesting" things to it. Simply "going missing" is not enough. Being a "white woman" is not enough. It's the fact that there's things that could point to him being guilty. To their fight together and everything else. We have stuff to go on about with that story. When someone else goes missing, if they are just gone one day and nobody realized it... Well there's nothing to it. No juicy intel. It's "BORING", for lack of a better word.
@@cassandramaldonado1248 "[Insert person] has gone missing, they were last seen [Insert location] wearing [Insert clothing description]. If you have any information, please call [Insert #]" is "boring" news. This is a murder mystery/manhunt regarding a pseudo-celebrity that has enough detail attached to it to make news stations start frothing at the mouth.
You can't compare Gabby Petito with a random person. She was a social media influencer with thousand of followers. The only simmilar situation would be Ettika. Also the situation was bizzare. There are two people on a roadtrip and only one comes back and doesn't talk. This is different from the usual: "I don't know where he/she is"
@DOGE CHARGER It's not that the rest of the world can't do it if they wanted to, but rather it's extremely expensive with no major value in return. It's much cheaper, easier and sensible to just hop onto NASA's own space program.
@@jjbarajas5341 we are? Somebody might want to let the teachers, engineers, and manufacturing companies know. Oh, and the government. Although scientists (rightly) insist on using metric, the almost the entirety of the rest of the country - including the government - is still officially using metric. Except soda companies, which bravely sell soda in liter and 2-liter bottles. 😂
@@jahbern I think one of your sentences is a little wonky :p Yes, only a few things are very overtly metric; wine and soda bottles yes. But everything else is also metric underneath. Thanks to the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech), all US customary/imperial units have been defined in terms of SI units. NIST SP 330 and NIST SP 811 provide the basis, you can look them up on the NIST site. It really is just an imperial veneer with a metric heart, SI with weird intervals and other names.
I don’t argue against the Missing WWS thing but I feel like with nearly a million followers on IG, it doesn’t really apply to this specific case. So sad
As a black woman I definitely see and understand the WWS. But it honestly didn’t come off to me that way when the news first broke only because she already had a large social media following. She was documenting her travels and I feel like Americans like to follow stories like this. What with the suspicious fiancé fleeing It’s like watching a true crime show on Netflix in theory
Not to mention they were on a cross country trip at the time of the incident. This usually garners national attention since there is a need to spread awareness across multiple states.
Interesting about “missing white woman syndrome” but I personally think this case was so interesting and got so much attention for 2 reasons. 1) the tag line “two people go on a road trip and only one comes back” is extremely interesting and confusing. 2) social media (specifically TikTok) are so much more heavily used. I hope more cases are covered like this one however.
Agree… lots of white women go missing too and get no coverage… the reason this one has captured everyone is because it’s been an ongoing mystery that’s unfolded on social media… so many things about it are unusual.
Nope it pure sensationalism to distract from the real issues. Mainly the looming market crash that is now finally rearing its head. How much have you heard about Gabby verse the new market crash indicators signaled by the Chinese market just this past week until now?
@@Lianne-issa People are seemingly so focused on race nowadays to try and point out racism, that everything is racist regardless of context, outside influences, or even common sense. Only gets worse whenever police get involved
I wholeheartedly agree; the boyfriend coming back alone and the couple having a big Tiktok presence really made this whole case a talking point in almost every conversation (with coworkers, family friends, etc.). I think they're comparing apples and oranges because I don't think the missing situations were exactly the same.
This is the first I'm hearing of the Evergrande saga and when he first started talking about it, I thought this was going to be tied to the Ever Given boat from Evergreen Marine that got stuck in the Suez Canal and that THAT was why they were so much in debt. Nope, just bad financial practices.
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you say it's not a green screen by using a second green screen. prove its not a green screen by sitting on the couch! your "proof" is purely subjective. show us the proof! we need the proof Philly-cheese-cake!
I have the text line and wanna be a part of the polls but RUclips doesn't show me your community posts until a few days later :0
I saw the poll a few mins before you uploaded. One of the rare downsides of not living in the US is not being on your text line :(
I have the bell turned on but polls don't give me notifications, only videos. Have to catch them by luck in the normal feed
What a bunch of BULLSHIT! This girl is DEAD. Will you media fuckers ( and of course I don't mean you Phil ) quit trying to politicalize it with racism? The REASON she is being covered in the news is she is well known in social media, the younger generations ( who will soon enough be running the world ) take to social media in droves, so statistically it's a news worthy story. Period.
Wow Phil made it. He can afford 2 green screens.
I see, you got your daily dose of DeFranco also moga
Was legit just watching one of your videos before coming here. So weird.
Lol genshin users come to Phil for news too
Still poor. Once he gets Markiplier money he can afford 5 ovens
He's actually got 3.
How do we know there isn't a bigger green screen behind the smaller green screen?? Need answers Phil and throat punches.
nooooooo
@@PhilipDeFranco yessssssssss
#getphilabiggergreenscreen
Only thing that may convince me a coach intro.
@@PhilipDeFranco also Ssup!?
It's totally true that missing POC are ignored by the media-- and it's vile. HOWEVER-- that's an odd opinion coming from Joy Reid, person with her own News show, who has had EVERY opportunity to highlight these cases. She IS the media. Also, Joy using Gabby as an example felt a bit distasteful being that her body was JUST found. This is an incredibly valid conversation BUT very poor timing/too-soon example.
The parents just found that their daughter died. The question is fair but as you said, made in poor timing
This
Absolutely true. Using her as an example also felt weird being that she had a larger social media following than a normal person. Of course someone with more attention on them already ends up with more attention when they go missing.
Well said.
I don't have a problem with the timing. In two weeks, hardly anyone will give two Fs that this young woman is dead if they even really care all that much now.
It's a story to them. A thing to follow as entertainment/interest. Considering that many of us barely can get through a tiktok video, is there any real confidence that people will care enough about the POC story when the timing is "right"?
I definitely think that BIPOC and Indigenous missing person's cases get swept under the rug. However I feel like what makes the Gabby Petito case, "popular," is how unusual the whole thing is. Also their relationship and interactions are very public. The body cam footage paints a totally different relationship than what was seen online and anyone that's ever been through an abusive relationships could see all the red flags in that video. The police handling of the situation is awful and reminds me of the LAPD in the 70s.
However, I want to ask MSNBC why they don't use their platform to bring awareness to BIPOC and Indigenous missing cases? I think it's hypocritical of them to even broadcast that news story without looking into what they do. I've found out about a lot of these cases by listening to Podcasts.
This is an amazing comment, you made so many good points, MSNBC pointing the finger, but have they actually done the work? Also Gabby from what I've seen, appears to be an influencer, that may have generated a lot of attention on the matter.
Also I find out a lot about black women going missing from all the black women focused RUclips channels I watch. Sometimes it's too much 😩
You uh... might want to figure out what the I in BIPOC stands for and then look at your comment again.
Agreed. If it doesn't have the makings of a crime drama or documentary the media shelves it.
Great point! I also hear about a lot of BIPOC cases from podcasts. And not just those points about gabby but she had a fairly large social media platform and A lot of the reason some of these cases get big is like everyone thinks the boyfriend/husband did it and it adds a lot of clicks for people wanting to see the newest evidence against that person especially when they act like gabbys bf did. And comparing her to male BIPOC isnt really the same cause lets be honest no one really gives a shit when a dude goes missing,its not fair but it's true, I can think of like maybe two that were big and I cant even remember their names.
Phil we’re only ever going to believe you if you lay on the couch for an episode.
What if the greenscreen is just behind the couch? That wall is a lie!
@@Liquessen I only see one way to solve this, Phil, you'll have to get creative.
I'd fucking love that, he's just so emotionally exhausted that he half-asses the show from the couch.
"What's, uh up you- oh never mind let's just jump into it I guess, so for the first story, like *yawns* we have covid news again i guess"
THIS LMAO omg or maybe he can host mini podcasts on it 🥺
Philly D : After Dark
"True Crime" as a hobby has been exponentially rising over the last 10 years. Gabby's murder checks all the boxes for their 'entertainment.' I'm sure a documentary, mini series, and movie script are already being proofread in real time.
I got a notification from iHeartRadio this morning for a true crime podcast regarding Gabby Petito and her disappearance. I was like "what....? Already?"
It's a mystery. So people are gonna wanna try and figure it out. I'm one of many weirdos who like true crime stories, it helps me cope in a scary world, but even I dispise people making buck off a story that isn't even proven and/or closed.
@@Asheth That's so gross.
When you say checks all the boxes, you mean the "White Woman" box? Do you realize how you sound right now??!?! Your comment will be in my next video.
I think the fact that it was obviously the bf was what got people to care because they felt there was something they could still do. The fact that they were influencers and that there was police footage made it possible for people to make content off of them (and this comes with ups and downs cause the case got a spotlight). In most cases, there's no where to start because they go missing and we have 0 info on them
I think the discussion about BIPOC missing persons cases getting less attention is an important discussion, but I personally feel like the Gabby Petito case has a ton of detail already made public, which is not typical of missing persons cases. There is released 911 audio, body cam footage of a chilling domestic dispute, a very public manhunt, and the couple had a pretty relevant social media presence (not just their life but pinpointing key areas of their location). It's hard not to want constant updates when we have SO much detail already known. I think there should be discussion not just about media coverage for missing persons cases with BIPOC individuals but police participation to provide details where the public can possibly help in the search.
Wtf is a bipoc
Exactly, also she’s a social media public figure (influencer) ,so ofc her story is gonna get more media coverage ,even more than an average white woman missing case ,ppl can’t use their brain cells!
600,000 people go missing in the US every single year, like 1,500-1,600 a day. About 2 or 3 cases a year get the coverage that Gabby's case did. 99.999% of missing white women do not get that coverage. People dragging race ino anything they can is why people stop listening to any of it at a certain point.
@@frealish6622 black/indigenous/people if color….
@@frealish6622 Black, Indigenous and other People Of Color (BIPOC)
I think people were captivated because she was an influencer who was documenting her own last days.
But this isn't the first time something like this happened and with non influencers. 😕
She's a young cute white girl, that is all. There's an obvious pattern of this that is hard to ignore. Maybe you're young and haven't lived long enough to see the obvious. Our very own marina Joyce is a perfect example. Her drugged out azz wasn't even actually reported missing lol. All over the news in all states. That girl from the damn u.k lol.
She only had 1000 followers before she was killed. That doesn't make her an influencer. She is getting this much attention because she was an attractive young woman. If she had been a man, we would have never heard that they were missing.
@@greywolf7577 You don't know that.
It's just because the story gained traction all over the social media. What are the news stations gonna do, let a good story go to waste? Leave it all to reddit and Facebook? You need to understand how the media works. It has nothing to do with who she was, how attractive she was or her race. It's all about drama, which media thrives on!
Hey Phil can you please talk about Jelani Day? He’s an Illinois state university student who has been missing for almost a month. Obviously Gabbie had a social media presence and I won’t get into the difference in coverage but I think it would really help to spread the news to more people. I know his family is super crushed and really needs help, and it has really affected some of us at ISU to see a real missing person poster plastered all over the school and area.
I want Phil to see this. Hope he does talk about him. Sad this is the first time I'm hearing about Mr. Day.
Here’s some engagement to get this closer to the top!
Adding to the push.
Bump!
And let’s face it, the fiancé angle also made people more curious. I think people want real life to be like the movies and unless something extra is involved in a case they don’t care
I just love how Lindsey told him not to wear hoodies in summer and they can afford summer clothing and he's wearing a cute shirt today...
omg, I didn't think about that haha
Right?! That made me laugh so hard.
So happy to see the changes!
Now I’m just waiting for the nice skincare promotions
In this case, I thought the fascination with Gabby was because she was a vlogger, a sort of influencer or content creator. But in general, I do wonder how media outlets make their choices about which stories to cover, and which to ignore.
Anyone else who thinks different is dumb. It is because of her following and the domestic violence awareness leading up to it. If Nicki Minaj went missing you bet your ass that'll be dominating news headlines.
Yeah i think it's a mixture of both with this case. She's an influencer, the suspicious way Brian returned home and behaved during her disappearance and how he went into hiding, and add "missing white woman" phenomenon to it. I don't think you can compare her disappearance/homicide to that of those without a social media presence but I do wonder how much interest there would have been if she was a poc influencer.
Because pretty white women have the most value of any person. Not my opinion just facts. Don't feel bad when I find all the pretty white women they'll start looking for all the pretty black women. If your a missing dude you got to figure it out on your own. I could go missing for a month and nobody would give a fuck. To pretend like Society doesn't value some people more than others is naive
Pretending like that’s the only factor at play is ignoring the problem
She wasn't that big of an influencer until she went missing.
Sure, that particular syndrome is a problem, but as a person of color myself, I really don’t like the idea of lessening the importance of anyone who is missing to promote the importance of others, no matter what. Find a way to do it without disparaging others because all that does is create another “us versus them” situation. We don’t need more of those.
Thats not at all whats happening. Cases of white women are overly sensationalized and its detrimental to other missing peoples and their families.
@@katek6306 Right? They are already sweeping us under the rug. Us talking about the issue isn't lessening their importance, them ignoring us is lessening ours.
@@jd0604 That might be anecdotal, i don't watch the news like that. But that's just right now.... What about before 2018? What about after the media is finished with its rampage? Also, you have to look at how the media is portraying the victim. How are they portraying the person? or are they just showing the slaughter like a modern day lynching? It's not just about who they're showing/covering it's how.
@@katek6306 the last white women missing case was only sensationalized in 2002 .... But wtb blm, and all the drug dealers getting killed by police.. This media outlets cover them and sentionalized them like as if their life depends on it
@@kenyett7 who is “they”?
I can't believe this. Ever since Phil took down his green screen, the channel's never been the same
@@manuelalbertoca wut
as a POC, I'll say this. If Joy truly cared about missing POC, she'd use her large platform to talk about these missing people... but she doesn't. Joy is a journalist. It's her job to tell us of these stories but all she's doing is complaining. She's being a hypocrite and making the rest of is seem like big cry babies because our stories haven't gotten the same traction as Gabby. It's not a competition. Just do your job, Joy.
Yeah, I noticed that she never gave names of missing POC even in that speech.
Right? That makes more sense. Instead of using that moment to bring up the point, she could’ve followed through and spotlighted some cases on-going that need some attention since they may be running cold
Look at police brutality and the second ppl say "it happens to white ppl too why don't you report that" its such a selfish hill to die on and doesn't add anything.
Now that is a perspective I never thought of. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. :)
As a fellow POC I agree. Plus her taking the subject away comes off insensitive.
No throat punching, no "Sup", I can only assume this is a cry for help
Someone has kidnapped Phil and replaced him with this clone
I blame the lizard people.
He’s kidnapped and hidden behind the even bigger green screen in the background
Same 😬
Isn’t Joy Ried the…host of her show? Can’t she always be the change she wants to see in the world by reporting missing POC cases? Don’t get me wrong, everyone missing should be reported on the news be it local or nationwide- but isn’t she in control of her show? And if she’s not and CNN doesn’t want to help her to be than the problem is the networks themselves not the country itself.
Why would she actually want to help missing POC? That would take time away from shaming everyone for caring about finding a killer that's actively on the loose. She's totally right, everyone is a racist and we should all be focusing on random missing people, the vast majority of whom are found completely safe and have no evidence publicly viewable or prime suspects that people need to see the face of on a widespread level. Can't you see she has her priorities perfectly in check?
@@alexexcess7620 I agree joy comments are offensive considering I'm yet to see her use her large profile to discuss missing non white people. I'm a black woman and alot of non white media could discuss missing non white people anytime they want to. Notice joy never mentions that she actively discusses missing people.
Oh, so "colored" reporters should cover stories of the "colored" missing, while white reporters deal with the whites? I suppose Juju Chang and Miguel Almaguer have their niche too, then.....?
She should not throw stones in glass houses unless she want's to do more about it herself.
Joy Reid works under a white-owned news network. She's only a host who talks about topics she ALLOWED to talk about, that doesn't mean she's in charge of everything to even have the authority of discussing missing POC. A host just presents the show/ stories. And she gives commentary. Nothing about having full-control of topics to discuss. Mind you, I'm not even a fan of her and but it's pretty obvious what the optics are.
I think there is an element of “missing white woman syndrome” at play here, but I also think that there are other aspects of the story that make it attractive to the media; like their social media presence (vlogging their travels), the public facing side of their relationship vs. what was happening behind the scenes, the initial mystery of it and now the hunt for Brian Laundrie. It’s all rife for a fascinating story, one that people will tune in for.
True - - if there wasn't police footage of vlogging footage of Gabby... the would have made the news, but the coverage would have been regional or local. In general, coverage of missing white women does dominate the news more than other missing women. The media outlets ignore the pleas of other families yet deliberately go after specific women that helps them get clicks and shares.
agreed, it might have been less popular if it was someone of color, but I think it still would have been a nationwide story
Exactly it's a thriller/mystery for alot of people. What's effed up is that it's real life and someone is now actually dead. And I think the media as well as internet people need to understand a whole family is wrecked because of this
true
Cue dateline and 2020 special
Regarding the Gabby Petito story, I'm admittedly surprised that it took this long for the Missing White Woman Syndrome to be brought up outside of social media. It was one of the first things that I thought of. This is not to say that I agree with it being used in every instance, but I knew it would come up; I just thought it would be brought up sooner.
I was wondering why this story was exploding. I looked into it and realised pretty quickly it was just because she was young and attractive and the circumstances were odd.
Didnt realize MWWS was an actual term but i came to a similar conclusiob
@@rickymoen9482 sameeee. I didn't realize it was an actual term
@Clever name as a black woman (not from the us) it's pretty obvious
There are lots of factors that contribute to Gabby generating so much interest. Obviously, her being white plays into it hugely. I am Maori, and a victim of DV and systemic racism from the police, so I totally appreciate how race is a major factor here. However, she is also beautiful, so pretty privilege comes into play. She has a big online media presence, which similar to the Shanann Watts case, gives the media a lot of information, videos and pictures, in order to create stories with. Lastly, the timing and the way that the Laundrie family have dealt with this... even finding the body(which was miraculous) so quickly, has helped keep the story going. It is a lot of things, not just her whiteness.
@Clever name You spelled court jester wrong.
Didn’t this girl have a considerable following, I feel like that would give it some boost to be used as a story. I wish we would publicize the shit out of every missing person, it might do some actual good.
Yes this isn't a white person getting special attention this is a rich person getting special attention.
That's what I came down here to say.
I think she had less than 1,000 followers before her disappearance, but gained a massive amount of followers after her disappearance.
@@BlitzerXYZ Perhaps, but I bet you dollars to doughnuts that if Calebcity or Swoozie suddenly went missing in the same fashion the response from MSM would be somewhere between crickets and interviewing anyone they EVER had a negative interaction with plus speculation on whether they had a drug problem/criminal affiliations.
I heard about it through Inside Edition. Before that never heard of the girl or guy. When I watched the video I was just like, "another person goes missing and their spouse is the likely suspect," but what was different this time was that the guy said absolutely nothing, came back alone without his fiancé and lawyered up so quickly. If it wasn't for the guy acting so suspicious I don't think I would've given this story a second thought. I didn't even give this story a second thought until outlets kept covering it and I kept seeing videos on RUclips covering it.
I'm so invested in this case because working with DV victims, this hit too close to home. I've helped so many women and children narrowly escape a situation that would've escalated into this
I just wish the world also cared when men go missing. Petito deserves all the attention she's getting, but so does so many others
This entire comment was to virtue signal. Embarrassing
Women...? There's a video of body cam footage of them being. Pulled over. Because she was beating him up causing the van to sway dangerously. He had scratches on his face and arms. Cops treated her like a queen and grilled him. He told them what happened and when they asked her about it she looked scared about getting in trouble and started crying. Cop let her off the hook smh. She looked like she was on something too.
@@xposetruth5681 wow. What are you jealous for then?
@@THIZZAVELI that is not what the tipster said. He went on record and witnessed him hitting her. Also, brian took her phone and locked her out of HER OWN van and was going to abandon her. She jumped through the window to get back in and get her phone, both of which she has a right to. So he wouldn’t have been scratched if she didn’t have to do that to get her phone back and get in her own car. And yes, she was shook up. That happens when there is violence and she was anxious. Her friend said he was controlling and they had issues before and Gabby would stay at her friend’s house, shaken, and when Gabby would want to go out, he would steal her ID to stop her. If he was letting her beat him up, why is she the one who is dead?
I’m pissed that his green screen is hidden behind a bigger green screen…
THAT WHAT I'M SAYIN
Wait.. is it a green screen? Lol
@@dubyabalthazar4598 yes
@@dubyabalthazar4598 always has been.... 💥
Back when he had his “behind the scenes” channel, they always had whole videos where they set up the room, assemble lights/shelves etc. It was always a lot of work when they moved buildings. But I think that channel stopped back a year or two ago… at least, I never see it anymore. So not sure about the current background, but it never used to be.
This definitely has legs. My mom's cousin's daughter (Hispanic) went missing for a few days and they filed a report and asked the news to cover her, they declined because they didn't see it a pressing issue. The next day another missing person was covered on the same channel with a shorter missing period. You wanna guess the kind of person? Mmhmm.
Rich?
Ugh que madre 😑
I honestly can't tell if this is sarcastic or not
we in europe hear, especially from americans, how progressive US is.... it really seems like fcking medieval racist mindset is way deeper there and everything is just pretending
@@Zoltan1251 ok yes the US is racist against black people, but are you gonna pretend that europeans arent JUST as racist when it comes to roma people?
The way I took it, joy is saying that everyone deserves this kind of cavalry when they go missing, gabby included and I agree
I agree and felt the same way.
So whites lives matter is ok then . Because white people are brutalized by police too
@@chrischika7026 Yes! Yes they are!
@@chrischika7026 obviously white lives matter too, it’s just that when people usually say that it’s just cause Black Lives Matter is doing something. You rarely ever hear it in any other context.
@@chrischika7026 yeah dude what’s hard about that concept?
Thank you for bringing attention to missing indigenous people!
These people are failing to remember that the only reason this case is getting so much coverage is because there is a viral video!
Most news networks will always report online trends.
I agree completely. People online are obsessed with solving and following missing people and murder cases. I think that's the biggest issue here, not really the racial issue.
And that they were bloggers with hundreds of thousands of followers!?
have you considered the factors that goes into a kidnapping going viral
@@stfauth6031 they actually only had a couple hundred followers before she went missing. This story was blown up by the news, not her fanbase.
Excuses Excuses! She is literally like any other missing white girl case😒There would be no actual coverage if she were Hispanic or Asian etc…
Gabby was an internet figure. That's why eyes are on her. If Gabby was black, eyes would be on her. It's a valid criticism but it doesn't apply to Gabby. It's a distraction and frankly disrespectful. "Simply asking questions" is the rhetoric that gets used all the time, and it's sickening.
Exactly. Also, she disappeared while her boyfriend came back home unbothered and then mysteriously also went missing. POC rights is a huge issue that needs to be raised in a lot of cases, but here I feel like it's so messed up to make it about this
@Sir Soma Learn about respect. A family just lost a child.
From what I can tell, she had less than 1,000 followers at the time of her disappearance. So while she was beginning to build a base, I wouldn't call her an internet figure. Her disappearance is what caused her to amass such a large following. That being said, I think a lot of people started following the case because, as Anna Does Things stated, the way her boyfriend just showed up without her intrigued a lot of people. Also, I agree bringing up that POC cases do not get as much media attention does draw away from Gabby's case, but if that is the reasoning, it will never be talked about and therefore, never get publicly addressed. There is never a good time to talk about it, but it needs to be talked about.
@Sir Soma If you want more attention to be focused on POC, be more vocal and push for their deaths to be recognized. Don’t do it in the face of a another persons death. It’s not a competition.
Why is Brian Laundrie still just a "person of interest" and not a suspect? There's a body, there has been a crime. He was the last person to see her alive and has been witnessed being abusive towards her. What the hell are these cops doing?
My thoughts exactly.
I don't think there is much benefit from making any adjustments to his status at this time. Keep his guard down and make him feel his side of the story will be heard before any charges are filed.
@@therasilvi such a good point. he’s already shown he’s willing to flee, and changing his status at this point would only motivate him to run further
Legality. Until he's charged with something they have to describe it like that or else people can face lawsuits.
Police often get farther in investigations when the subject of them feels more relaxed because he isn't a suspect yet. In interrogations, they are often more willing to talk if they are not under arrest and told the police just want basic info...but as the police ask questions and get the person to give details and timelines, they get details and contradictions they can use at trial to convict.
Since Brian already seems to know he is going to be arrested and is a suspect, I think it's likely they will call him a suspect as soon as they get some evidence implicating him. Everything is circumstantial right now. But if they find a murder weapon with both their DNA on it or something... DNA results take time, though...could be weeks.
when he was talking about how he is lucky to not be "as famous" it made me remember in the old office a complete stranger walked into his office and tried to close the door with them both inside, because the camera was on Phil you can see the very understandable fear on his face when he realizes what is happening, nothing bad happened, but all it took was for that one person to be a little more unhinged for that to have been a very dangerous/deadly scene.
I think I remember that. Was that the same video where some random guy walked into the room while Phil was filming himself and Phil asked him if he was looking for someone? I never saw the guy’s face, but he sounded sketchy af! 😳
@Louise 22 y.o - check my vidéó The reason they’re covering it is because she and her (scumbag) boyfriend were very prominent RUclipsrs.
Well I do agree with Joy Reid about “missing white woman syndrome”, I do think that Gabby’s case can be distinguished, as she was known to thousands of people by virtue of her platform. So it was easier to blow up.
Didn't America have a year long riot because of the death of a black man
@@quolpmu1232 different circumstances.
@@quolpmu1232 black people* Thanks for the year I guess 😒
Exactly. Too many people look at every issue through the lens of race now…
@@quolpmu1232 he wasn’t missing
I think that there is defiantly a media focus on white women compared to POC but with this case its kind of unfair to use as an example when its a famous social media personality, anyone who is a famous social media personality is gonna get a lot of coverage, especially when the story has a 'true crime' feel to it with the husband being the suspected killer and then running away.
Absolutely. They were already famous.
1000 followers is famous now?
And famous poc's?
She wasn't famous...
@@thinkharder9332 When she went missing she only had 1000 followers. She has gained those followers due to the extensive coverage on her case.
In this specific case I think the “missing white woman syndrome” backlash is unfair. I understand that in this case, this is essentially a celebrity (with 800K followers on Instagram) going missing. Obviously this was going to blow up. However, I think it’s fair that this case has sparked more conversations about what cases draw media attention or not.
She amassed that following after she disappeared. The fact everyone keeps noting how many followers she has NOW as if that was the case prior to what happened is awkward. Don't care if she has 1.9 million or 500, the gap is the media doesn't focus on missing WOC. It's like people are saying you have to be popular on social media to get attention if you go missing. She isn't a celebrity, either. She purposely left her suburban home and lived in a van as part of her IG narrative. Most of the comments on this video are people saying they don't know who she is and not many celebrities with millions of followers or money are like OMG Gabby... only the 400K followers she had at the time. Even her dad has over 200K followers now. Big jump from 1200.
@@AskMiko I’m not familiar with her following prior but 400K is huge. Again, I think it is fair and good that this case is starting a conversation about this matter - but this case was always going to blow up.
@@IceIceEmily it was about 1k
I feel like Gaby Petito's story is so big because of her fiance. If he didn't behave the way he did (so like a super guilty person) her disappearance would be treated as just one of many.
True.
That's what I think too.
We don’t even hear the stories of missing women of colour. How do you know that their stories and the stories of the perpetrators aren’t as compelling? Because the media doesn’t cover it.
How many fiancés and husband's do this and act weirdly? A lot, and they aren't just white. Everyone here keeps making excuses for this specific case while ignoring the history of the missing white woman syndrome. It doesn't matter who her husband was, what they did for work or where they were traveling to, they aren't that unique in a country with tens of thousands of domestic homicides/missing person cases per year. Yet the ones who's cases blow up in national and often times international media are always about white women.
This case was chosen because they fit the image of a "normal" young couple, conventionally attractive, free spirited and innocent (even though we don't know them), and as a "proper" distraction from covid, Matt Gaets, failed Trump rallies, the Afghanistan withdrawal, Haiti immigration, and etc. Networks aren't stupid, they know what works and how to distract people when they need to. There's a reason why the majority of national news coverage on missing people tend to be young, blonde, non-brown eyed white women. They barely cover missing white men and rarely cover missing women of color, and there's like a 0% chance that they cover missing men of color. It's messed up, think about it.
Whenever Phil says "the most requested story" I imagine he spent the evening listening to Lindsay be like "Phil you HAVE to cover this! Listen to this..."
That’s a good question… 🤔 at least he listens… hopefully
The most requested story…(by my wife)
Whilst I don't dispute the existence of this "missing white woman syndrome", and am glad that despite the horror of this situation, it is able to spark this discussion, I would argue that this particular case is not necessarily a good example OF the problematic imbalance in coverage, given that she was a vlogger with an established audience, which would naturally bring more attention to the case from the outset since a creator's audience usually feels some kind of personal connection for the person on their screen. Thoughts with her family and friends
I 100% agree with you, if anyone with a following of almost 1 million people goes missing and is presumed dead there will be news on it because that's how our news cycle works
100%
Honestly, I think cases like that blow up just because people are nosy. I mean, what is the newsworthiness of a missing persons case? Aside from any trends like "10th women in [city] abducted in one month" which warn citizens of any safety concerns, why do people care what happened to some random girl in Grant Teton? And I'm not saying her story wasn't worth hearing - it was, that's why obituaries exist, so people can hear someones story. So again, what is the newsworthiness? I think its just that, as a society, we're nosy. I think we do sensationalize it to a point, but also gawk at the fact that "oh this could happen to me or someone I know" but what makes that newsworthy?
When writing a story, you need an actual story. I think (so don't quote me, I didn't look this up extensively before I wrote this and I'll admit to it) I've heard that a lot of those missing indigenous people cases have some sort of corruption going on behind the scenes where officials or police are involved, or sex trafficking where it's untraceable. The people essentially tell the news what they want to hear with clicks and views. If you're not captivated by a indigenous woman being captured because it has limited information because that info is in the hands of corrupt police trying to cover it up OR she's become a victim of sex trafficking which is virtually untraceable, that story isn't going to get as many clicks because it's lackluster, and it's going to tell the news outlet that people don't really care. So my point is: it's not just news outlets at fault here. If people want to see other cases blow up like Gabby's did, they need to show they care and are interested in more stories like this getting the spotlight they feel that they deserve.
It's great that Gabby's case got further with how much traction it built online which resulted in how many people giving real and helpful tips after they could see names, faces, etc. If people want that for all cases, I think it's time people stop exclusively placing the blame on news outlets, saying "why don't they report on...". We have a civic duty to uphold too.
Very true. My hope is that Gabby’s case is a tragedy that makes more people aware of and care about missing persons cases, *especially* in American Indian communities where rates are astronomical. 🥲 The red handprint runners, Jordan Marie Daniel and Rosalie Fish, and editors and authors of “Deer Woman: An Anthology” need more allies.
I just wish Gabby didn’t have to suffer and die to make people care. That hurts.
@@marc423 Especially when the boyfriend won't talk to police and is now missing. This story just draws people in.
I asked my mom about this when I was young and JonBenet Ramsey was all over the news . I asked, " why do they keep showing her, but no on talks about the wall of missing girls at the Walmart entrance?" We lived in a mostly Hispanic area so almost all the girls were a poc.
You must've never watched the news because they show missing black kids every single night. The difference is the amount of details that the authorities are able to gather about those cases. A lot of "POC" do not want to give details to authorities so they aren't able to have much info. No sightings of these kids filling up their truck at a random gas station...because they're kids and don't do those things. These aren't kids, they're adults. I'm sorry your mother couldn't inform you on this and you've been left ignorant for all these years.
I asked my mom how long it would take before poc shit on us for caring about gabby. Not long.
JonBenet Ramsay was murdered in her own home, but a ransom note was found that was written on paper from the mother's stationary on her desk. And that's just the start of it. The case is weird. There's lots of factors irrespective of race that made that case a media sensation. Same with the Petito case if we're honest.
@@jimduggan8962 lmao so only white adults appear on cameras 😂
@@satinsleeves Yeah, in this case, she was already famous and then people latched onto it cause they saw a weird case and wanted to see the guy get punished (even if we still have no clue what actually happened)
The fact people outside of Texas can sue seems incredibly broken. Like, if they're gonna let someone sue they should AT LEAST be a Texan resident.
I mean everything about that law seems incredibly broken 😂 this whole situation is just highlighting how ridiculous it is
New law patch just dropped, broken as hell, Blizzard fix your game already.
Yeah I agree the person should be a resident
Its not about getting Gabby’s case less coverage , it’s about getting every other case as much coverage as Gabby’s and even more
Not gonna happen till they are social media influences
Yeah but you know that probably won't happen
@@raquetdude sad but you're probably correct
That would be awesome but the reason gabby had lots of coverage is she was some what famous online so the story spread alot faster because of her fans helping spread the news other wise it may have not blown up as much
The amount of exhaustion that would cause in the news cycle is unfathomable, it is just like how at first corona deaths were a huge deal and now thousands happened every day, the public does not have the ability to give so much to every case, the only reason this case is so huge has nothing to do with her being a white woman but rather a public figure, people exhaust me 😒
I wonder if Brian knows there no statute of limitations for murder.
Just a thought. He can hide all he wants but the moment he's found....he's done.
really, i mean what evidence is there that he killed her? being the last person to see someone (allegedly) doesn't make you the murderer. There's like half a dozen solid stories he could make up to explain his actions, that's assuming he isn't already innocent
@@mcbean1 there are alot of evidence
The fact that he fled
How he was seen abusing her
How he was traveling with her before suddenly she died
And prob more
@@thatdamncrow9197 although I believe he is guilty, those are not pieces of evidence that he murdered her
@@mcbean1 why would he run if he didn't do it?
@@thatdamncrow9197
1. He is not a suspect, you have the right to free movement, that legally cannot be held against you.
2. She was the abuser, the admitted to the police that she hit him at least twice, makes you think if she is happy to admit to that what else does she do to him.
3. What if he said: "I woke up in the middle of the night on X date, she was getting changed and told me she was leaving me, it was over, I've met someone, keep the van as a breakup/I'm sorry gift. She then left and got into a car that had pulled up, I couldn't see anything because it was night time, I never saw her again. I was so upset and embarrassed about the breakup I didn't want to talk about it. I didn't know she was dead until I heard it on the news."
alternately, "We were sleeping in the van someone broke in and grabbed her, pulled her out of the van and killed her, I couldn't see the person very well because it was dark but he said if you tell anybody i'll kill you too. That's why I didn't talk and that's why I left for fear that person will hurt my family."
There is no reason that my made up story isn't also 100% the truth.
4. Saying there probably is more evidence is not really good enough to say there is a lot of evidence.
What you basically have is all circumstantial evidence and not very good evidence at that seeing as they were a couple, he doesn't need to explain why he was with her.
Although I think the criticism is 100% valid and true, Gabby Petito's case has gained so much traction partly because she was a person who had a lot of online presence. People have had the ability to "get to know her", empathize, and theorize.
I had assumed she was popular, then some woman on twitter said I was wrong, and called me an idiot for ASSuming.
It got media coverage because of what happened. They went on a trip that was well documented by gabby online, then he came back without gabby and immediately went missing. The van was found for evidence as well, parked off in the woods.
This case, sure, most cases, nah..... you gotta look at the numbers to understand why it's an issue :)
@@kenyett7 if you wanna talk about numbers, 329k white people are missing in the US right now and 181k people of color.
@@_sc300 Is that missing according to the cops or according to family?
@@_sc300 what does that prove ? Also your numbers are incorrect as it's 230 000 poc who are REPORTED missing as of currently.
Gabby, may she rest in peace, had maybe 1000 followers before this case. This case has highlighted so much about the media and criminal justice system. While they were searching for gabby about 10 other bodies were found, really let that magnitude sink in. These ppl were reported missing but no-one in the criminal/forensic investigation aswell as media community cared and not even enough to open up a new case with the same effort towards justice for these 10 bodies. They were simply labelled as "not gabby" and cast aside, It's beyond heartbreaking. It would be ignorant to deny that this isn't about looking the part or in other words being the right race and "perfect victim".
They were Asian hate crimes happening all over the U.S. and Asian women were going missing at an astounding rate due to this corona outbreak. These poor ladies were not even given a single blip of attention from the networks plus no effort from the criminal justice system either. BIPOC and indigenous people are twice as likely to go missing... so where is the coverage for those people? The last thing I want to do is divide communities by race but that's what's happening. Minorities are being overlooked continuously with these type of things and any time it's mentioned people such as yourself brush it aside. When over the millions of missing people reports and even homocide cases, spanning from *years* have not had a single poc get the coverage/effort and attention white communities seem to get time and time again. I would have hoped you'd have deleted your comment by now
Good on the doctor, he did the right thing despite the potential consequences. If you can and you believe in his stance please consider donating to his legal defense. His fight isn’t just his own, it’s for reproductive rights.
Is there a gofundme?
With regards to the "missing white woman syndrome" case, as a white Australian I brought up a similar concern and distaste with our own media reporting as it pertains to reports of white Australian citizens being detained overseas and the lengths at which our government seem to go - publicly - in order to bring those people home, in stark contrast to the seemingly nonexistent reporting of non-white nationals being detained or held overseas under the same circumstances.
A perfect example of this would be the Schapelle Corby case, where a white woman was detained and subsequently jailed in Indonesia for drug trafficking - she made national headlines repeatedly for years here, and I personally put a lot of it down to her ethnicity and the fact that her and some of her white family members had been party to drug-related incidents in the past. Given her initial arguments were typical of other 'young white tourists' to the area - she was unaware she was carrying the drugs, she'd met a charming local but didn't get their real name, etc etc. (Brokedown Palace, anyone?) - it is unknown what the statistics are of foreigners to Indonesia and other nations in that area that are tourist hot spots with strict anti-drug laws that are detained and/or charged and then imprisoned, and just what the demographic split is between white tourists and non-white tourists.
It almost seems as if our white-dominated media networks, in a similar way to our patriarchally-dominated western societies, have biases and agendas in their structures of fearmongering and narrative-control...
I do think the Corby case was more important for casting light on the laws of Indonesia and what punishment could follow. A huge amount of the discussion around her case was the 'crime' she committed was considered extremely minor, yet the punishment was extreme and the place she was entering was rife with drugs anyway.
Something else that also might be relevant to this discussion is that (at least not in my memory) the non-white cases don't even make it to the news. So from my perspective its not as if I'm seeing a missing person's case about a white person and a person of colour and decided that one is more interesting than the other. I'm only seeing one side which makes me wonder if there is one level of the newsroom floor where these cases get removed or if they aren't considered by journalists in the first place.
Is that so?
The media has been talking about cops shooting black people non-stop for a few years now.
In regards to gabby, I think the story took off because there was a huge bread trail to follow. People could get attach easier since a story and backstory was already there which made it super relatable. People even got to see her mannerisms on video. Wasn’t a normal missing person case.
I also think it has to do with RUclips having more of an influence than people realize. Her being a “RUclipsr” made it click baitable.
@@wilbing8465 yep it was honestly a real life Netflix plot. That’s why it grabbed my interest. There’s only so much the media can report on where there’s simply no leads.
The Bali Nine had some people of colour and that made huge headlines. It’s cause it was an interesting story.
Took a lot of bravery to show the background without the greenscreen, proud of you Phil!
@@axaaril So?
You're just buying into the lie... the background has always been real, it's Phil who is digitally inserted into a static shot..
He hasn't been real since 2015...
@@axaaril well No need to ever celebrate anything you or your kids accomplishes, because there's a 99.9999% chance that it's already been done before. Sure makes life easy.
@@axaaril nobody asked you fried hair.
@@axaaril in psychology what you just did is called projection, mening that you have developed a unhealthy relationship with me
Police find out Brian beat his woman: “I sleep”
Police find out Brian took her vehicle: “we don’t have time for that”
Police find out Brian had unauthorized use of a bank card: “REAL SHIT; Arrest Warrant Issued!!!!”
While I agree that POC’s cases tend to be swept under the rug more often, there’s some extraneous factors that explain why Gabby Petito’s case is getting more attention aside from her being white.
1.) She has an Instagram with 800k followers who were following her road trip and disappearance in real time. Her fans were extremely worried when things began going wrong.Already explains why her case got more attention right off the bat compared to random strangers who weren’t documenting the last days of their lives to 100K+ people.
• The unique situation of someone going missing while on a road trip with their fiancé intrigues people more than regular missing cases. Often missing cases are attributed to runaways, getting lost in the woods, possible kidnappings, etc. Gabby’s situation falls outside these common types, which results more interest.
• Her boyfriend’s behavior and the police calls leading up to her death is extremely suspicious and invites people to act like internet detectives. Not many missing cases have this kind of info released to the public for sleuths to speculate on. The more info, the more interest.
Yes exactly. The media actually had very little to do with how much the story blew up from what I've seen. I feel like more of it had to do with social media posts and public intrigue as opposed to media biases.
The number of Instagram followers she has is a direct result of all the media attention she's since received. On the 14th she only had 13k followers on Instagram.
With your second point, i'd bring up the case of Lauren Cho. She was also on a cross country trip from Jersey to California. The last person to see her was a male acquaintance. Her story is now only getting a lot of attention because people are asking why did Gabby's become this national story while Lauren's wasn't really even a blip on the radar.
She got 800K after she went missing. Before that, it was in the 4 digit area
Look up Mercedes Morr
1) Her IG account amassed a HUGE strong following after she went missing. I know she was popular, but people acting like she had national fame isn't true. She was living the "van girl" life as part of her IG presence.
2) Agree the footage of her traveling and the police cam footage then her disappearance makes the story more "clicks and shares"
3) In general, it cannot be denied that white missing women get more news coverage which is the point. How do we get the media to focus on missing women more often without the blonde hair, petite, blue eyed guise is the gap
4) Her BF is a predator which makes the story more sizzle worthy - even I agree that I'm following the case intensely
5) The media slant on focusing on some women nationally while others are barely mentioned has occurred for decades and Gabby shouldn't be the spotlight to show such bias. My hear hurts for her family and the warning signs were all over the police cam footage... we need to support more women getting into law enforcement to balance the attitude that whatever a man says is what's actually happening. She looked terrified and her BF did a lot of talking. I bet those officers are thinking twice about letting them go.
But seriously Phil congratulations on 15 years
This is total true for POCs missing persons cases. As a true crime fan myself I often have to dig to get any updates, info or coverage when someone non-white goes missing or murdered.
Have you checked out Kendall Rae? She covers all people.
I staunchly disagree. From my experience, it has been about even.
@@Fubbster statistics say otherwise though, your experience is subjective, the truth is separate
The issue is'nt that Petito is getting too much attention, the issue is that everyone deserves the same attention. When men go missing, we hardly ever hear a thing
i agree to a point. i think the system fails to protect women in general and this certain case is just as important and proves that. no where on Beyoncé’s green earth should you take a cross country trip with someone, come back, then say i don’t know where that person is. after 10 days.
I actually think the reason Gabby's case is so viral is because it's not a simple missing case, the murderer was SO obvious. So there was a very clear leaf and suspicious behavior for people to report on and get upset about.
Plus its got a great lead, esp with Brian being on the run, people reporting seeing look alikes or similar ppl helps find him faster!
However a lot of poc have similar cases. Many poc particularly indigenous Americans have gone missing near highways in the thousands over the past few decades, many believed to be victims of serial killers or murder victims. Yet they still go uncovered by the media
Not the point but I guess that's the narrative we're going with as a country.
Indigenous mother : "What about my daughter?"
America : "Shhhh, don't be rude."
Wait I don’t see anywhere online showing he was convicted of murder? Where did you find this was a murder?
No fhsts because she's white duh
Phil I would like to see you do a small segment with missing person posters. So many of us watch you more than the traditional news, we could help SO MANY people get the platform they deserve
THIS IS SUCH A FANTASTIC IDEA!!!
LOOOOVE THIS
@Nerdy Jeremy Same
This is a great idea!
Agreed
I need Phil to record the next episode while laying down on the couch, cant believe the set is real until he does
news stations are the ones giving us most of our info on her case and then they get upset when we only know the people they cover. If they opened up conversations, id like to think more attention would be paid to other cases
I've never seen a missing persons case not draw eyes. It's not the people watching that are there "fascinated" by a missing white woman. It's the media going "HEY LOOK, LOOK AT THIS" and then covering it nonstop like it's a breaking story that will change the nation.
Exactly. They can cover what they want, if they cared about the other cases then talk about it. Also Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony weren't top stories because the victims were white women. They were top stories because pretty women were involved AND it was a specific, targeted case. A single murder gets far more coverage than multiple murders in Chicago almost every weekend because "1 death is a tragedy, 1 million deaths is a statistic" (Joseph Stalin).
Canada has a similar issue with Aboriginal women going missing and the tribes claim to want the government to bring closer attention to this and that the murders/disappearances are occurring because of discrimination but they're almost all exclusively occurring in tribal lands, meaning by other Aboriginals.
@@theoaure3774 “aboriginal” is derogatory, the Indigenous peoples who live in so called Canada prefer (ideally addressing them by their appropriate Tribe name) First Nation/Indigenous/Métis/Inuit.
I think Gabby's unfortunate situation is being talked about so much due to being involved in RUclips. Us viewers can be very passionate and caring to our favourite creators so it can happen. Then it gets more traction and so on.
Not saying that all groups have an equal amount of news but I don't see this is a good example to show the unbalance.
People saying she's just "asking a question" about white woman syndrome are the same people who got mad when people were asking about other races during the BLM protests. And the same response can be used: this isn't the time to discuss other people or problems.
But you could still say “why are these RUclips creators (and TikTokers) so focused on Gabby Petito?” And “Would the creators be as interested if the missing person were BIPOC?”
I think that saying people on RUclips are talking about it so everyone else is talking about it is TRUE, but doesn’t fully answer the question being asked.
I think it's a bit hard to compare this particular case with cases of POC going missing because the fact that Gabby had a following of fans (I think, I havent found much information outside of this case in particular) that are looking into the case as well.
I don't deny that even nameless white girls have more effort put into them than those of color, but the only situation that I think could compare to this is when people were looking for Etika. I'm definitely open to be corrected on this.
Exactly, they garnered an Instagram and RUclips traction documenting their travel so when it appeared they fell out & that she had gone missing? You already have an already preexisting fan base there to generate interest and traction in the case.
@@shinigami052 yes, I agree there: now is not an appropriate time for such a question.
Thanks for helping with that comment.
Re: “Why are we talking about this story when [insert other horrible cases here]” - I don’t know, Media, you tell me. I knew nothing about this person a week ago and I’ve just been inundated with news coverage for a week now apropos of nothing about it. Yes, it’s a horrible occurrence, no one deserves this, but I personally don’t have any investment in the story to follow it. The only reason I know exactly what happened to her, who she was, and how her body was found, etc is because headlines have been pushed to me as notifications and Phil has talked about it two days running now. So, Joy Reid, please, why are you asking *me* this when you should be perhaps asking yourself?
I’m guessing part of it is personal reflection in the story, seeing yourself in the victim: Joy Reid would be more invested if the victim in question was a person of color. I would be more invested if the victim was an openly gay individual. Most of the country is white, so most people care about Gabby. And I’m not saying this is morally right or anything, but that’s my best guess as to why this is. Honestly this whole conversation just feels weird to begin with.
''I don't know, media, you tell me''
...greatest way to summerize this
It shouldn't matter if most Americans are white when most cases are non Caucasian. But regardless when the media covers only 30% of one race while half the cases of another is shocking imo
The media is a reflection of ourselves. They show what people are interested in. The reason the media covered this so much is because it was already becoming massively popular online, on tiktok and reddit. People were already very interested before the news blew it up.
Yeah lol. I've seen people on Twitter talking about it but to literally say it on the news is a bit ironic
Smo0thCriminal4 - it shouldn’t matter, no. But then race/ethnicity shouldn’t matter in general, and yet here we are, still dealing with the effects of centuries of it mattering to people...
This is why I can respect Phil DeFranco. He has the integrity to admit when he uses a green screen.
On Blizzard, "they are in talks to settle in the millions..." Millions. Blizzard is a multi-fucking-BILLION dollar gaming company. They are number FIVE on the list of Highest Grossing Gaming Publishers. They on record make around 8.1 BILLION yearly as of just last year- all the while losing a player base for one of the most iconic MMO franchises in human history, they made an even higher net profit than when the game was gaining new players.
Million dollar settlement. What a fucking toss.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Settling could shed billions from the company's market cap. Post-Enron and metoo, investors generally don't like to be associated with companies that could lead to them being shamed. This is why so many companies virtue signal as much as possible. They're trying to give the impression that they're "hip" and "progressive" and "on the right side of history" even if they're none of those things. Remember the Gillette ad bashing men? What did that do to their stock price? (Spoiler: It went up)
The workers of Blizzard have made the company millions if not billions , if the company isn't doing it's job then they deserve their money, that their work made.
@@cherriescrows1963 I'm really not. Blizzard is one of the best at exploiting their "employees" since, spoiler- a good chunk of their workforce is unpaid interns that they influenced to join their workforce because they'd be with the most amazing video game company ever; "Blizzard Entertainment" before telling them that even their own employees have to live at bare-minimum 3 to 4 a home because they aren't paid enough to live otherwise.
Besides, even if they do settle- they have nothing keeping them to adherence to anything they are told to do. Massive companies can break just about any law if they have a good enough contract (which generally comes to over 30+ pages to ensure that most people won't read it) and people being brave enough to speak up on the issue. It took YEARS for people to step up, and from what I can tell it was only due to Blizzard being in such a poor light that they wouldn't have enough pull to just kill the movement ASAP with a few well places emails/calls from HR.
Edit: I mixed up my settlements so had to reword my second paragraph. However, my point still stands that Blizzard isn't going to be forced into anything since the only people getting the money at Blizzard are at the very top- as the settlement I had originally referenced is literally only looking out for the board members and Investors.
Great intro. One of the best
oh Harleyyyy
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Great outro too. Was fun 🤣
The crossover i didn't know i needed...
JACK DANIELS
Y'know, any time I see someone call a company 'too big to fail', I like to pull out a little known thing called the South Sea Trading Company. The English called it 'too big to fail' and yet when the bubble burst, everyone lost everything except for those at the tippity top. *Bubbles can, and DO burst. You are not immune to financial ruin based on a company's poor money management based on how it seems to be doing on the outside.*
what i don't get is how was it able to be a business when it can't make profit. Like i understand borrowing money to make another leap for the business. But.... wtf was going on here. Sounds like without it being able to borrow money it can't make money. which doesn't make any sense. Because what the fuck is it even selling to get the loans in the first place. After all why would they be given money if they aren't able to pay it back.
@@ALegitimateRUclipsr your comment makes total sense and now I'm so fucking confused and intrigued lmao
I mean you don't need to be famous to get stalkers
Let's hope so, that the same fate falls upon wallstreet..
@@ALegitimateRUclipsr Evergrande owns several companies and made a bunch of investments on borrowed money that they probably were hoping for were going to pay off all of their debt. They kicked the can down the road and had too high expectations, now the company, the Chinese and the world will suffer the consequences. Constant borrowing, spending and deregulation has been a Chinese state policy for quite some time which they recently realized wasn't sustainable. The laws are more stringent now but it may be too late.
The one difference with Gabby is that she is an online person, aka she has a big following already. Not defending or saying there isn't such a thing as a missing white woman syndrome, I know there is. Just stating that in her case, that could be why it spread so much and so quickly.
Good comment, but the part about missing white woman syndrome is wrong. It's racists to even thing about it in those terms. It's funny how much poc are racist themselves xD
And more so I would say it was the way she dissapeared. If she had just one day not returned home, it wouldnt be that "interesting". But the fact that we know shes been with her boyfriend on a long trip, she suddenly stops responding and now we see the boyfriend return home in their van without her! Because we can all point our finger at the guy with a 90% certainty that he at the very least abandoned her but most likely murdered her, yet nothing can legally be done without concrete proof. Not to mention this guy has now dissapeared. Idk trying to compare this particular case to missing white woman syndrome is like wondering why the WNBA pulls less views than the NBA. People watch the other not because their sexist, but because they're more interested in it. People want to watch this case because it has more bizarre events compared to the average kidnapping, disappearance, or murder. And like you said that doesnt discount that white woman disappearance syndrome is still an issue for other reasons, I just dont think it's really comparable here.
Mmm I would also add an extra layer to that, that statistically it's also been conventionally attractive, young, white women as the top focus (the whole damsel in distress vibes). When the Gabby situation was really gaining momentum last week, there was already criticism against the media and law enforcement that there was nowhere near as much coverage or adequate help help/deeper investigation into the case of Crystal Turner/Beck and her wife Kylen Schulte.
I think Gabby having an large online audience played a part in getting media coverage.
#FindJelaniDay praying for his family. Hoping Jelani gets found soon. He's been missing from my campus, Illinois State University, for almost a month now. He deserves the same coverage Gabby got.
This is who I was thinking of. He's been missing and not getting anywhere near the attention in the news.
We need to keep telling his store and put pressure on the network to report on him.
Not a white girl tho...Sooo Dem folks don't care!!
She didnt get the coverage because of her race. Its because she had an online presence, went missing during a road trip and then her BF returned without her and refused to speak to police. Its an interesting missing persons case thats it. I dont know why everything has to be turned into outrage and equality.
Gabby got attention because she had a “van life” community that pushed it hard. I heard about her story long before the media found it because I follow a lot of the van life Reddit channels. She had a slight following and cops bungled the case horribly. There’s plenty of white women who are currently missing that the media doesn’t care about.
I think the MWWS thing is misplaced. This story is getting coverage because she had a large following and theres a lot of evidence/footage of her. Kind of hard to write an article when you don't have any details. Just my two cents.
I think a large portion of why Gabby Petito going missing blowing up was due to how RV'ers come together as a community. I am in several RV forums and this story was spreading before any actual news announcements. It was blowing up on the RV reddit page, being shared on multiple facebook RV groups, and beginning to be shared by RV youtubers. Then the media took to it. Actually shocked myself how much it blew up nationwide. We tend to look out for each other. Especially with the boom of van life people and new RV-ers in general.
No it isnt because of RV'ers but you ar kinda onto it by saying it is because of what she did. It is because is it a combo of her being a white woman (cause yes I do believe that has a slight bearing on it) and mostly cause she was a decently popular youtuber. And that is the biggest thing that they are a youtubers
This is actually really interesting, I never knew this and I'm sure many others also didn't. I'm curious how much of an effect it had specifically on this case however, I can't help but agree to the evidence of lack of media coverage even despite this case.
@@Direultimatum pretty young and white
It's because she was a pretty white girl who was a popular RUclipsr. Without those elements the story probably wouldn't have blown up.
What's RV?
She had fans, and the story of her death was interesting which is why it was reported on. It was for the ratings, the example Joy Reid gave wasn’t interesting, and the guy wasn’t “famous”. It has nothing to do with race but they have to make it have everything to do with race, again, for ratings.
But it's not just this case though? If you look at the numbers, you'd see that about 60% of all missing persons cases are bipoc, but they end up getting less than 30% of the news coverage overall. Makes no sense. And as we all know, news media puts pressure on cops to at least do something about it, otherwise they'd sweep every case under the rug...
It’s interesting how no Texan actually sued that guy, wonder if most Texans would ever use that rule legitimately, but maybe I’m sheltered
I mean only around 13 to 18 percent of Texans support a no exceptions abortion ban (according to tribune), so I actually wouldnt be surprised if it took a bit for a Texas lawsuit to happen. Abbott is catering to a relatively small and dedicated group
Well, people are very diverse. There's definitely Texans that's would do any dirty, vile thing you can think of.
Not saying anything about anything in the video, and while people ARE amazing, just saying people are definitely worse than you think.
I’m from Texas and that law is absolutely a violation of freedom, vile, and needs to be challenged. That’s pretty much how everyone I know feels.
im absolutely convinced the law is just a distraction from other more important things. Restrictive voting laws for example being passed amongst other things. Its a loud distraction and its working because many people feel so strongly about it.
@@soicancommentonvideo Spot on.
Sad part is, self awareness doesn't really help.
You can know you're being self destructive and be 100% aware of it, yet be helpless to stop your own behavior. Same thing in this case, but transferred from the individual to the group.
Evergrande: It's not just them. This is basically how the entire Chinese residential development industry works. Housing development is one of the major pillars of the unprecedented economic growth in China and it is entirely based on leveraged money and depends on constantly increasing growth. The entire industry will collapse as economic growth slows down. I worry that this is just the first signs of it.
It's not a problem exclusive to China. This is how you can have American billionaires who consistently lose massive amounts on every new project, as long as they keep growth up they can cover the bills as they come due. Once growth stagnates, they collapse. It's just the American economy doesn't literally identify it's success with these schmucks as extensively as the Chinese economy does.
I've been watching coverage of Evergrande on a few youtube channels. I do feel sorry for the Chinese people because they basically have no say.
So I wanted to explain why your comment and lot of Phil's take on the Evergrande issue are somewhat overblown. I am not doing this to condescend but his points are extremely sensationalistic and reach very far. I say this as a huge long time fan but the stretches people are making here are not rooted in facts or reality. The comment you made on billionaires are losing "massive amounts on every new project", is simply not true on a mass scale. If this was true then every bank in the US would fail, considering large portions of their balance sheets consist of Commercial Real Estate, real estate developments or speculative lending. The 2008 failure is why Dodd-Frank created capital requirements, risk limits, and stricter underwriting laws for Real Estate loans. This is an extremely reduced explanation but the risk of evergrande defaulting is spread out across multiple firms and they reserve for exactly this type of issue. People are profiting off of scaring investors and market panic, and I just wanted to share that most of this is completely overblown. However, the contagion and fear is real and could cause real issues because people are acting off of emotions and not logic.
Okay, that helps me understand why some are linking this to the financial crisis the US went through with the banks and "too big to fail". I couldn't see a correlation with just one company, but given what you've said it makes more sense that it's the industry in China and Evergrande is just the one getting the attention.
As you said, its not just exclusive to China, America does this with TONS of things.
Its partially why we end up in recessions.
Its the foundation of capitalism, accrue debt in hopes for growth to pay back said debt and be bigger/more sustainable after the fact.
This same model we actually apply to our cities, we expect growth and keep building suburbs (which are proven to not make money taxation wise due to insane maintience cost) in hopes that growth will continue, and new money and inflation will pay for the maintience of the older neighborhoods, its partially why cities like Detroit got completely destroyed when the population dropped because they didn't have new money coming in to maintain their older suburbs.
Our cities aren't built efficiently like the rest of the world.
America's economy is all one in the same, the only difference is, America doesn't have the balls to ever do anything to rich people/corporations, our tax laws and ability to accrue debt allow our country to be a haven for businesses, but its also the ONLY REASON our country is as rich as it is, therefore, we don't bite the hand that feeds us.
China on the otherhand doesn't seem to care as much about growth but rather they're trying to prevent recessions by not allowing businesses to over leverage debt, which is smart IMO, but whether burning businesses will work or not, time will tell.
As long as labor is cheap and trade is big, I don't see them having any issues.
@@laurel1018 I absolutely agree with you on everything you've said about the US banking system (I'm been a financial analyst for a long time), however, when it comes to looking at the Evergrande situation and how it may (or may not) correlate to the 2008 crisis, if what the original commenter said is true and this is symptomatic of what the entire Chinese industry is doing, then it's very possible that if those companies were allowed to fail it could cripple the Chinese economy.
I don't know enough about the Chinese real estate industry to validate what was said but if it's true then China will have no choice but to prop Evergrande up and secure their financial standing.
The thing that tickles me about this is that the news is the major player in deciding what story gets coverage or not, and yet ... they blame their own inherent racial prefs on the viewers.
Yep
seriously Joy, do the legwork yourself and research some BIPOC missing person stories and put them into the public eye. You have your own show, you are the media; it's your job to highlight these things. Otherwise this isn't about the issue at hand, it's about using the issue to bash white people. Are we part of the problem or the solution? Let's be part of the solution.
How many news outlets are saying this tho? It seems like it's primarily one person, Joy Reid, discussing the issue and other outlets simply seem to be talking about Reid.
Personally I don't think this is a case of white woman missing syndrome, like other people have stated there is an usually high amount of information about this case circulating, so of course people are going to be more invested. But I also think it's fair to point out about missing white people getting more coverage than POC.
As far as who to blame, of course news outlets are solely responsible for what stories they cover, so they deserve much of the blame. But at the end of the day, they're a company. They don't act on morals, they act on profits. And if people tune in more often when a white person is missing than a person of color, they're going to lean in to that. In that sense, viewers do hold some responsibility
Exactly, if they're so bothered then they should talk to their bosses, we have 0 to do with what they do or don't cover
This caught my eye because it used to be known as "hot white chick in distress" syndrome back in the day when I was younger. The media's coverage of this case disgusts me.
That is more accurate term because if Gabby was three hundred pounds she wouldn't be getting any airplay.
Exactly. If Gabbi was obese people won't care. But also the Media created this Frenzy and then lectures us about why that's bad.
It’s gonna be hard, but I believe that the path to forgiveness is possible. We love you Phil 🥺
Never Forgive, Never Forget.
My ability to trust was already put into question after finding out recently that not only have I been cheated on by my long term partner, but everyone I'm close to knew about it but didn't say anything, *but this shit just pushed me over the edge*
@@surelock3221 Welcome to reality. People literally don't care about your feelings. That's your business to take care of. Even your family aided in cucking you.
Think about that. Think about how they defended your partner while knowing they were unfaithful. That's because YOU should of seen it coming. That's what being a man is like- every- day.
@@ugandanknuckles3900 So what you're saying is I should take responsibility and murder them all (maybe even live stream the whole thing)?
@@surelock3221 separate yourself from them.
The reason Gabby has got so much media attention is that they were bloggers and RUclipsrs with a very large following. That meant by default that it was going to be thrust into the public eye more than most, on top of that was the peculiar nature of the disappearance with the boyfriend showing up and not telling anyone. It all comes together to capture the public attention and imagination and make the disappearance blow up.
They didn’t have a large following though. She had about 1000 Instagram followers when she went missing and they only had one video on their RUclips channel.
@@AliciaSnow exactly and now that it was thrusted into the public eye her following has been growing
Lol. Large following? Your comment exposes how quickly people speak out of their ass with no basis in reality
They had one video and less then 5k followers
Yes, you’re right. I was also thinking the same thing.
Adding.. it’s F’ed up that some of the deaths got No coverage at all?!
1:53 don’t people want to know if there are murderers in their state/city? That’s messed up.
I love Phil's shirt that he's wearing today.
It's really nice!
I’m wondering myself where he got it 😂
I live in Utah, and indigenous people go missing here all the time. It's never reported on the news as the majority of the news stations in Utah are Fox or KSL based both of which have been notoriously dismissive at best and hostile at worst, the only reason I know about it at all is that I work with charity groups who work on the Navajo reservation, and have family who are members of a local Blackfoot band. It's a constant, people go missing, a lot of times they supposedly just "wander out into the desert never to be seen again". This coupled with the fact that a lot of times indigenous communities are underserved medically and over policed makes it's more and more clear that the American genocide of indigenous groups never really ended, we just stopped talking about it.
That's terrible, and it sounds very similar to how many assumed violence against black people had ended before the BLM movement finally began to cast some light on the racist origins of the nation's police force. I'm glad that we are finally arriving at a place in history where we can begin to address the insurmountable amount of aggression and violence aimed towards members of the black, asian, and indigenous communities in the country. No more silence on the culture of minority violence out of fear for self-preservation, now is the most important time to have a voice
The Petito Case: When Phil first reported on her missing I remember my first gut instinct was “Oh- Oh he murdered her.” Like it was extremely clear that that poor lady had ended up dead somewhere and that her partner would be facing a trial soon. And that’s the thing, it’s because it’s a story you’ve heard a million times, told to you in detail with witnesses, suspects and all. But only when the victim is white. I cannot name a well-known African-American victim, nor a Native-American one. They are never talked about, the public is never warned of on the run suspects like this and it is never covered, neither in the news or later in true-crime (no matter if the crime is unsolved or not). It’s a horrible disservice to minorities when their bodies go unreported on, uncared for and disrespected, both in life and in death.
I totally agree! Ngl, as a user new to tiktok I was blown away by how quickly it blew up on there and am genuinely curious as to how much tiktok played a role In this blowing up
@@nixonwilliams-nixwilly-7408 It started on Reddit then blew up on TT. While I agree with this, that you rarely hear of missing minorites, I think this case was just a matter of people jumping on a band wagon when people started playing detective. Maybe a good thing to come out of that is that minority cases WILL get attention. A thought...I rarely see minority families pleading for help. Do you think it's because they fear working with authorities? Just a thought
@@JulieAnnPowell My friends on Facebook repost minority disappearances everyday. The families in these posts will rely on anyone if it gets their loved ones back. From what it sounds like, these cases have very little traction outside of their demographics to get the attention they deserve.
@@JulieAnnPowell oh okay, that actually makes even more sense! I also agree with your last statement; and it was the social media (like Reddit and tiktok) that made it easier to jump onto the wagon!
Agreed but if they’re not putting out warnings about people of color who are on the run wouldn’t that mean that they think white men are more dangerous than people of color who commit the same crimes?
Me:
"He didn't start by saying the thing!! SAY THE THING!!"
Phillip:
*Says the thing*
Me:
*Lights cigarette*
You know what’s up.
The Gabby Petito case is extremely unique, both her and her boyfriend had nearly a million followers on instagram and now her boyfriend, who was nearly as much of a celebrity as she was, is on the run. Of course it’s getting more media coverage.
I wish crimes against WOC were taken more seriously and trying to use the Gabby Petito case to talk about “Missing White Woman Syndrome” is bound to sabotage that conversation because of how unique the situation is.
It also feels like people are "punishing" Gabby in a way. Its not her fault her case is getting so much attention, but people seem to be directing their (understandable) frustration at her vs at the media. Feels wrong :(
They only have that many followers since the disappearance went super viral though. She had around 100k followers when I first heard of the case (and it was already viral) and he had ~70k.
It makes me sad that there are so many missing women. Our culture is sick.
Women go missing in all cultures. People are sick
Hahaha I left a comment complimenting that nice big artwork a month or 2 ago and said someone tell me I was an idiot to think you didn't use a green screen. Imagine the actual chroma keying effort that would be for WHAT
always nice to see you in the wild. Hope you're having a good day.
What
Evan out here appreciating the production value 👌👌
Who are you mad at?
My heart breaks for GP’s family, but I did find it quite odd when I was scrolling RUclips that in almost every row of videos, there were some news video on GP’s case when this definitely (unfortunately) isn’t a breakout case. People go missing (unfortunately) all the time. I was thinking, “maybe it’s because she was an influencer” but even influencer deaths (white or black) hadn’t gotten THIS much coverage (it’s probably also because the suspected culprit is still on the run)
"but even influencer deaths" She had disappeared. They didn't know if she was dead or not. There was also a number of clues to where she could be. Police had contact with them not long before the disappearance. Not the same as random kid gone missing and no clues to their whereabouts.
She didn't even have that large of a following until after she missing. 🤷 RUclips channel blew up After the news started going crazy with it same as Instagram
@@sam90-o8t Because that wasn't the big deal about it. It was the footage before her disappearance and other odd behaviors noticed by the fiance. Not the same as a random kid "POC" that goes missing and there's nothing but someone saying "I last saw him when he left for school" and literally nothing else.
I think it’s because that white dude who was her husband literally looks like a killer lmao
@@marksommers4179 How do you know it wasn't the same case for a POC if they don't give them the same attention? I don't remember the same attention for Leslie Palacios?
I just think, the day she's identified and declared deceased, seems pretty insensitive when bringing up "missing white woman syndrome." Topic needs to be discussed but the timing was horrible. People will just dismiss it.
Thing is. They do it on purpose.. They know that no1 will call em out on it. The second u say hold on, the timing of you mentioning MWPS was wrong and insensitive. Ull just get called a rasict.
@@SB-h8y1ds that's true. It's a horrible situation and I can't imagine how her parents feel. Hopefully this will be the Gappy Petito Effect and help highlight and locate people of all genders and races.
@@JonoGuapo4 lol that is a fantastically naive point of view. hey man, ignorance is bliss i guess.
@@fwoqma didn't read my other point I see. Lol. The Gabby Petito case just hit me close cause I'm building my van currently to travel. But as a Mexican, I definitely see the point of "lost white woman syndrome."
Democrats and race baiting… 🥱
She had a following, I dont think the media coverage is solely due to her being white and that her following contributed. However, the response to her case from law enforcement has been oddly quick compared to that of similar cases brought up where the victim was of color.
And nobody complains that the media only covers black people who are shot by police, even though it statistically happens more often to white people. If anything, the media is heavily biased toward people of color. Joy Reid is an idiot
I think it's also because it's a rather odd and unfortunately intriguing story. It's not your typical boyfriend kills girlfriend and goes on the run case. As has been stated by others, it's like watching a true crime episode in real time.
Her following was only 1000 people before she was killed. If she had been a man, we never would have heard about her. The only reason the nation is so focused on her case in particular is because she's an attractive young woman.
She didn’t have that following before she went missing…
Could you give a few examples of similar cases where the victim was of color and the police didn't do much about it?
I think Gabby is more covered because of her big following on social media and Instagram making it more in the public eye on those platforms
The story is focused on because our Border with Mexico is such a disaster, aka Distraction.
@@kelkil79 Yes, i'm sure the reason why Fox News is so obsessed with this story is because they want to distract people from the border.
@jay ann according to social blade she had 27k subscribers on there channel Nomadic statik in July so 👌
People like narratives, easier to digest. The all-American girl going missing is just classic. Ethnic people stories aren’t told enough to be classic. We need more of our stories told.
This is true, but I feel like we should have waited a bit before launching in with the "missing white woman" narrative. Her body's barely cold, and we're already making this about black and white? It just feels wrong to me. Its like when Kobe died. I know he was accused of rape, and we really should talk about that. But do we have to talk about that when he JUST died (at the time) and his family is still reeling from that?
ethnic people's stories, especially those of missing Indigenous people, are told so little but happen so often each case just becomes part of a statistic. No memorable names, no distinct stories, just numbers. It's really sad.
America doesn't care about people of color. Thats the simple truth
@@renaissauce9516 The fact that minority stories are so much harsher and sadder and more horrifying is also taken into consideration. Like what kind of News Media would want to cover Sheriff Gangs and how they kill minorites and rig evidence to make it look like a suicide or "dangerous situation."
@@luckyducky7819 Nah fuck that.
Now is the perfect time to talk about this. She's dead. What's she gonna do? Come back to life and complain? While people are still fascinated in their own racist and/or sexist ways at this news (unless you're one of her fans), say it to their faces that you would NOT give a damn if Gabby was some indigenous / black / POC lady who's homeless and/or a drug abuser and/or just poor.
This weird turn to race when it comes to gabby petito just feels like two different issues. POC aren’t discussed and reported on in the news yes, but the whole reason we are following this story is because of her following on Instagram, she isn’t just a random white girl to a lot of people. It’s also incredibly rude and disrespectful to gabby’s family who is mourning the loss of their daughter as we speak. People need to stop Belittling other people’s pain because it doesn’t fit the narrative they like.
According to Social Blade, Gabby's following on Instagram on September 14th was just 13,511. Today it's 940k. Her following on Instagram is specifically because of this case rather than her being some social media celebrity prior to it.
Joy Reid is absolutely right. There were like 6000 missing or murdered indigenous women last year and I've never heard of any of them a single time, but Gabby is the only thing I've heard about for like a whole ass week. Not that we shouldn't care about Gabby, but we should put that same energy and effort into cases that aren't about a white girl with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Why did I think the title “Doctor Who Violated Texas Law” was talking about the show?
Because you’re a nerd!
(source: I am also a nerd)
Omg same and I was really confused...
Omg me too 😂
I actually watched Joy doing this story yesterday and I have to say that I agree with her but imo she was occasionally borderline tone deaf and other times completely tone deaf.
She has a right to her anger but it just came off really wrong. This girl was a social media influencer and there was a lot of video footage to use. She knows this. She's a reporter. She knows why this specific person is getting more attention.
@Hoenheim Elric …uh, why does that even matter? Do you think there are no people of color with significant followings? None?
Like yeah I can’t name three black tictokers, I couldn’t name three white ones either
phil, to the stalker story: You dont need to be a huge mega star for that. ask the ladies on twitch. most of the bigger creators there had / have one, or multiple stalkers. Chocobars said, she believes she will die at her stalkers hands, and police still cant do anything. amouranth had the trash at her house lit on fire, which almost burned it down. others had people show up at their house uninvited and demand entry, or threaten them with sexual assault. hell, you know meg turney and gavin free, right? they had a guy show up at their house, armed and ready to kill them.There are tonns of stories like that. crazy will always find you. the Nr 1 tip that you hear for women streaming, is to close all DMs and to never make anyone feel closer to them, because thats how you invite crazy.
Hell even totally unknown women can have stalkers.
It is so common for female twitch streamers to have actual stalkers, even people with less than 1000 viewers.
Hell does anyone remember that crazy journal of a guy creeping on and inventing and entire relationship between himself and a coworker he’d barely spoken to? After she moved away he attempted to kidnap her and his freaky journals were used as evidence. She’d just existed in the same office as him and that was enough.
@@Lillith-uj7tt Yup, I was for about 3 years, I was an mmo player, just a random in millions and someone decided they liked me enough for all that, but as soon as I turned them down it started
@@Lillith-uj7tt yes this. I didn't even have an actual following (less than 400 followers) on twitch and I got landed with a stalker I had to deal with for over 3 years.
I think the reason the Gabby Petito missing case has more eyes because they were influencers in the van life community. More eyes initially to boost the story to make it into the headline news
Sure, but you are missing the bigger picture. Women of colour are consistently forgotten by the media, public and the police.
Ok but you just ignored the history of missing white woman syndrome. Like this happens all the time. And it's crazy because as a black woman, I didn't know about this term when I found out about gabby. Yet after the 2nd day of coverage, just on RUclips, I literally said to myself "why do these missing white women always take up so much time in the news," followed by all my thoughts on the hundreds of thousands of missing black and brown CHILDREN who never get this type of coverage. Yet once a year some token white woman dominates the news coverage for reasons like this.
@@dg2071 The only reason they cared about these people was that they were semi-famous and its a good story. Their race has 0 to do with why this story is headlines.
@@shayslay3416 Again, because the couple was popular on social media. This is the only factor that got this story any traction in the first place.
This case was just interesting because first off she was a vanlife influencer and second off her fiancé did it
You mean like most murders? In regards to the significant over who did it.
Right if it happened to a couple of a different race I’m almost 1000% sure it would gain the same traction it’s just silly to assume we only talk about it because she was white 😒😤
Someone clearly never listened to Dateline.
And it was so obvious from the beginning. The cops really messed up on this one.
Nah, that's to easy to solve. I bet there's a plot twist in this movie.
I don’t think Gabby missing person cases Is a race issue. It has to do because
1. she was an influencer
2. The strange Circumstances of the case
3. The boyfriend Weird behavior
It's so stupid that they completely left out the fact that she had 100k+ following. I promise you if a person of color with a huge following goes missing and the case was this odd it would get just as much attention. So stupid.
Gabby’s whiteness plays into how much attention her story received. BIPOC issues just simply don’t receive the same level at all and requires horrible circumstances to make them newsworthy in the way white folks automatically are prioritized.
The fact that there is a search for her is not a matter of race. The fact that she is getting this much media attention is the issue, imo.
4. The footage from the police of the couple's "altercation" which was later described by witnesses as Ryan hitting Gabby.
The issue involving missing Indigenous girls and women up here in Canada is even worse unfortunately
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300,000 pale ladies go missing, only one being showed. No progress for any woman. Sorry I dont know all their names or if they can organize via identity to focus the scope.
Not to mention they stop tracking inter rac ial s ex crimes... so who know with that number.
It’s a genocide within a genocide and our Federal government is 10000000000% complicit
She literally works in the media, if anyone has the power to start this change it's people in her position. Terrible moment to be starting this discussion, though, let the family grieve in peace.
I think this is a excellent time
Thank you for pointing out what should be the obvious.
But people are too set in their beliefs to take a step back and realize that Joy Reid and others are hypocrites.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Her body was *just* found, I understand the intention and I'm not denying this is a problem but if you were a parent watching the news and you heard her statement you would find it offensive
This is not the first time that this has been brought up. The last time POC brought up this topic was when Natalie Holloway went missing from a school trip in Aruba.
Also when it comes to pushing stories news agencies push what gets ratings. A missing black or indigenous person will/doesn't get the same attention.
@@thatbeaatcch9884 Is it really? Who is the discussion ever for? She's talking to the viewers but she's literally on the network that's perpetuating the issue she's complaining about. We're not the ones she needs to be talking to, it's her bosses she should be taking to task. Naturally though addressing the problem internally wouldn't drive ratings, whereas having her generate controversy on air does.
[insert "We're all trying to find the guy who did this!" meme]
I get the whole “missing white woman syndrome” thing, but didn’t this particular story blow up because of her nearly 1M followers? So had a huge audience which makes her a minor celebrity, so of course her case got a lot of attention. But I do understand the phenomenon you talked about.
I do hear about stories about PoC going missing. I heard one just a week or so ago about a woman who had a large instagram following and she was tracked down and murdered by a stalker who then killed himself if I remember correctly. Really sad story, especially because she was young and she actually did a lot to hide her real identity from the internet.
She gained most while missing, but she still had nearly 20k... still a lot
No, because she has nearly 1 million followers because of this story. She only had 13k followers on the 14th. If her follower count were that massive from the start, then the "Missing White Woman Syndrome" argument obviously wouldn't hold water since it'd be obvious why the media were paying so much attention to her. But that's not the case. She was just starting out.
Ohh I gotcha. My mistake. I’ve only seen a screenshot of her Instagram and I didn’t see it before she gained the followers.
Thanks for letting me know though!
Yep, the media is gonna report on what gets them views and clicks- it either 1. is a pretty girl (Casey Anthony, Schapelle Corby, Amanda Knox, Laci Peterson) or 2. fits in a political narrative (George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor) or 3. a celebrity (Michael Jackson) 4. Encompasses all of those narratives (OJ Simpson) . The thing is Gabby's disappearance made INTERNATIONAL news with the vast majority of people having absolutely no idea who she was prior to her disappearance. As there is a saying, some disappearances create marches-protests and others are a just a footnote in a newspaper. She is a pretty white girl so people are going to subconsciously sympathise with her more.
The way I see it, is that the story had plenty of "interesting" things to it. Simply "going missing" is not enough. Being a "white woman" is not enough. It's the fact that there's things that could point to him being guilty. To their fight together and everything else. We have stuff to go on about with that story. When someone else goes missing, if they are just gone one day and nobody realized it... Well there's nothing to it. No juicy intel. It's "BORING", for lack of a better word.
321 000 white people go missiong a year lol.
I see maybe 1 story a year
Yeah I do think it does happen just it's not happening in this specific case
also she had over 800k followers on ig and 100k on yt so its obviously going to have more coverage than someone with no online presence
How can you compare stories of other missing people or dismiss them as boring, if you never got to hear them?
@@cassandramaldonado1248 "[Insert person] has gone missing, they were last seen [Insert location] wearing [Insert clothing description]. If you have any information, please call [Insert #]" is "boring" news.
This is a murder mystery/manhunt regarding a pseudo-celebrity that has enough detail attached to it to make news stations start frothing at the mouth.
You can't compare Gabby Petito with a random person. She was a social media influencer with thousand of followers. The only simmilar situation would be Ettika.
Also the situation was bizzare. There are two people on a roadtrip and only one comes back and doesn't talk. This is different from the usual: "I don't know where he/she is"
Rest of the world: "Wanna measure stuff in metric? It's nice and simple?"
USA: "McNuggets! My favourite unit of measurement..."
The United States is already on metric. Since the early 90's.
@DOGE CHARGER It's not that the rest of the world can't do it if they wanted to, but rather it's extremely expensive with no major value in return. It's much cheaper, easier and sensible to just hop onto NASA's own space program.
@@jjbarajas5341 we are? Somebody might want to let the teachers, engineers, and manufacturing companies know. Oh, and the government.
Although scientists (rightly) insist on using metric, the almost the entirety of the rest of the country - including the government - is still officially using metric. Except soda companies, which bravely sell soda in liter and 2-liter bottles. 😂
@@jahbern I think one of your sentences is a little wonky :p
Yes, only a few things are very overtly metric; wine and soda bottles yes. But everything else is also metric underneath. Thanks to the NIST (National Institute of Standards and Tech), all US customary/imperial units have been defined in terms of SI units. NIST SP 330 and NIST SP 811 provide the basis, you can look them up on the NIST site. It really is just an imperial veneer with a metric heart, SI with weird intervals and other names.
I don’t argue against the Missing WWS thing but I feel like with nearly a million followers on IG, it doesn’t really apply to this specific case. So sad
Very valid point that isn’t being brought up at fucking all
I think it's just wrong to bring it up right now.. it's all still fresh and it comes across as insensitive.
@@g1u2y345 Exactly. I’m really getting “She’s white so we don’t care” vibes from people talking about it and that’s not right
As a black woman I definitely see and understand the WWS. But it honestly didn’t come off to me that way when the news first broke only because she already had a large social media following. She was documenting her travels and I feel like Americans like to follow stories like this. What with the suspicious fiancé fleeing It’s like watching a true crime show on Netflix in theory
Not to mention they were on a cross country trip at the time of the incident. This usually garners national attention since there is a need to spread awareness across multiple states.
Interesting about “missing white woman syndrome” but I personally think this case was so interesting and got so much attention for 2 reasons. 1) the tag line “two people go on a road trip and only one comes back” is extremely interesting and confusing. 2) social media (specifically TikTok) are so much more heavily used. I hope more cases are covered like this one however.
Agree… lots of white women go missing too and get no coverage… the reason this one has captured everyone is because it’s been an ongoing mystery that’s unfolded on social media… so many things about it are unusual.
Nope it pure sensationalism to distract from the real issues. Mainly the looming market crash that is now finally rearing its head. How much have you heard about Gabby verse the new market crash indicators signaled by the Chinese market just this past week until now?
@@Lianne-issa People are seemingly so focused on race nowadays to try and point out racism, that everything is racist regardless of context, outside influences, or even common sense. Only gets worse whenever police get involved
But only if they’re white women
I wholeheartedly agree; the boyfriend coming back alone and the couple having a big Tiktok presence really made this whole case a talking point in almost every conversation (with coworkers, family friends, etc.). I think they're comparing apples and oranges because I don't think the missing situations were exactly the same.
This is the first I'm hearing of the Evergrande saga and when he first started talking about it, I thought this was going to be tied to the Ever Given boat from Evergreen Marine that got stuck in the Suez Canal and that THAT was why they were so much in debt. Nope, just bad financial practices.