Intermit.Tech - I just found you and am very impressed by your candor, intelligence and ability to break it down so that I am able to understand it! Thanks for your videos on Chia which brought me to your channel. I have subscribed due to your nature to help people in complicated (to us) tasks and equipment. Thanks again and keep it up!!!!
Hey there, I've bought exactly the same RIG as yours, can you tell me or anyone else that uses similar rig, what parameters do you use to come to 40-50 plots per day? Do you combine queues and stagger, what do you do?
Hello! great technical content, loved it. I wanted to ask you this- first, Is 970 Evo Plus a good drive for plotting (sustained write speeds are similar to the 980 Pros but has lesser SLC cache) and second, can this whole rig for plotting be put in a small form factor case like an Ncase M1 since I need to move around from time to time. Thanks,
Hey! I can’t wait for the next video. I’m trying to optimize my setup! So far my build is: Asus Tuf x570 motherboard AMD ryzen 3900x 2 x 2TB Samsung evo m.2 64 gb 3600 trident ram Storage 8tb WD red pro 4tb WD red pro 14tb WD external (haven’t gotten in yet)
This guide was very helpful! A full Linux plotter setup guide would be awesome. I'm running a plotter on linux but have the feeling it's not setup properly.. I'm not normally a Linux user
I have the 5900X and I’m currently pushing around 15 plots with a Micron 6100 1.92 TB Sata SSD and the Samsung PM9A3 960GB NVMe SSD. Managed to get them both cheap but the 960GB capacity is quite limiting and so is the speed of the Micron SATA drive. More upgrades to come and can’t wait for your follow up video.
fantastic video with great technicals, ive got a 2tb m2 on order with 5 14tb drives coming as well, going to make a run to the local microcenter to build out the rest of the rig. if I can hit the 40 plots a day like you, I can be ready for those sweet pool profits when they go live.
I was able to score deal on Z9PE-D8 WS motherboard 2 E5 2697v2 Processors 64gig G.SKILL Sniper Series ddr3 2400 How many plots can this system do and what pci nvme do you recommend to use if I can use for temp storage to not bottleneck system thanks!!
Hi. Great info, thank you. Am I wrong in thinking that 5800x should also be able to plot 10-12 plots parallel (according to calculators online cores+threads /2) and at similar speed? Wonder if I could save almost couple hundred bucks here.. Best of luck!
Is it still worth getting into Chia mining? allot of the external drives are sold out in The Netherlands and even the internal ones are getting crazy expensive.
Happy birthday. Great explanation. I'm Brazilian and started with CHIA. The machine I'm assembling was with parts from Aliexpress. Xeon E5 2683 v4 processor. The clock is low, 2 Ghz, however, it has 16 nuclei and 32 Thredes. Do you believe that the Ryzen 9 5900x has a performance much higher or slightly above? I don't know what is better, clock or nuclei.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. I have all the hardware I need to build a plotting computer, along with some external drives. I intend to set up separate plotting and farming computers. Could you please help me learn which factors are most significant in the selection of a farming machine? All the articles and videos I've seen say a modest mini-computer is adequate, but I can't find any information about minimum recommended specifications. Do I need 4GB or 8GB of RAM? How fast do the RAM, processor, and internal drive need to be in the farming computer? Thanks again for this informative video. I've watched both of your Chia vids, and I've subscribed to your channel in anticipation of more.
Most important for a farmer is that it can reach the storage where you have stored your plots fast enough, or rather, without too much latency. It really doesn't need to do a lot of read/write, it just needs to complete fast enough. So either build a farmer with lots of internally connected disks, SAS connected JBOD shelves or even just using USB3 disks. And then if you have multiple computers and run into limitations like I did you can even spread out the disks to multiple hosts and then string them together over NFS or by running native harvesters on it.
@@IntermitTech Thank you. My tentative plan *was* to move "plotted" external drives from the plotting computer to a 10-port USB 3.0 hub connected to an Intel NUC5CPYH (Intel Celeron N3050) with 1x8GB DDR3L 1600MHz RAM, but I've received some feedback that I will need a more powerful processor to keep up with 10 drives.
mining USB Riser and convert any 16x PCI-e GPU to 1x any old $5-10 antique GPU will work fine Are you able to hot plug your GPU to your rig? or you shutdown every time?
do you think it is better to do farming using external or internal HDD ? I am worried about durability problems when using External HDD because it is not designed for 7 X 24 use. What do you think? please input from you.
Thanks for video so much I have similar setup really waiting for part 3 how to set up and stager and get over 24 plots per day do you have date when ypou will be releasing 40 to 50 plots per day please thank you
just invested in a 5600x setup but got the b550 for 2.5g ethernet which I thought will be handy, wondering if I should change to a x570 while I still have the chance. I'm limited to 6 parallel plottings due to the single 2tb nvme, thinking if I should move to 2 gen 4 then will the cpu becomes the bottle neck?
Nah, for a 5600x you're likely going to be fine. Once you scale down CPU horse power (and you have about half a of 5900x) the rest of the components can also be lower performance. Same for your SSD, first try and find out if storage is actually your bottleneck right now, then change up what is.
Great content and video you have there. Very helpful. Just wanted to know would I be able to run the OS windows through sata drive and connect it rather then occupying one nvme on the motherboard. And if I Do would it effect the speed and performance of the chia plotting ?
@@IntermitTech thanks a lot for getting back on that. Just wanted your input if it would effect the speed of the plotting if running the OS windows through sata ssd? Thanks
Helpful video. It would be great to have a Linux/Ubuntu setup guide for literal beginners. I use the Windows GUI currently but ideally want to try Linux or Ubuntu for faster plots. My plot and farming rig (eventually my workstation hence beefier RAM) im building by end of week is a 5800x, 2x 2TB M.2 Corsair MP600 NVMe, 64GB 3600 CL16 RAM and 84TB of storage. Am I right in saying I can max do 12 plots if timed right?
I'd say max 8 parallel plots, if that, you're storage is going to be the limiting factor, check my next video. ;) Other then that, it's perfect to become a 8 parallel plot rig!
@@IntermitTech Ye I actually just swapped the 5800x for a 5900x, should get me to 12 parallel. I initially had just 1x 2TB drive but got another just in case and having learnt a bit more about the plotting process should get 12 parallel on the 5900x with my setup! hard part is just getting more storage now, everythings sold out!
Could you please share your swarplotmanager configs? I build almost the same system and would like to know how to improve now the settings :-) And ehm... GREAT VIDEO! THUMB UP!
Thanks for the video.. need more clarity on how you got that 40-50 plots calculation.. how did you break down that calculation? 24threads assuming plotting is all you doing you can do 12 plots in parallel and also assuming you have a 4tb nvme m.2 you can safely do 12 plots aswell but with current prices it can easily blow the budget on those 2 alone. not unless you'll be using ssd sataIII is 32GB Ram sufficient to run all 12 plots parallel? if so what is the timing in between? sorry if its a dumb question calculation on my part as im trying to put together a rig aswell dedicated for plotting..
Ah, we'll you're going to need a lot more storage horse power to be able to achieve it (basically to make the CPU the bottleneck). Currently doing between 10 - 11 plots on the 5900x which all complete within 6 hours. 24 / 6 = 4 plots per 24Hrs but we're running let's say 11 that makes 44 plots in 24Hr. I'm still tuning to run 12 plots in parallel and that would bring me pretty close to the 50. We'll dive a bit more into it in future videos. :)
Would old second hand workstation do the job? Like a xenon E5-2670 with 32GB of ram for much less than consumer equipment… or even server rack and use pcie adapter if there isn’t any m.2 slot for the temp drive
Oh yeah for sure, you just need to design everything in balance really. Got a really fast CPU, get some fast storage too. The CPU's you mentioned are a lot lower speed but it's still an 8 core so it could probably do a decent amount of plots per day. Adding M2/NVMe drives using PCIe slots is easy, great plan!
@@IntermitTech i already ordered 3 1TB nvme with 1800TBW to plug in at 3000MB/s write… my concerns was really the processor speed even with the high number of thread…. Because I can get one for like 500$ so hypothetically I could buy 3 of those for the same price of a new setup like you proposed which is already in the cheap end. And I also take into consideration the HDD shortage coming and handling 50tb of storage versus 500tb isn’t the same game at all!
How much of a underperformance would the 3900x be? That's what i have, and was almost thinking of getting a threadripper for the higher core/thread count.
@@IntermitTech Ouch, that sucks. But since it's got a good amount of cores and threads, I'm sure it still allows for plotting at least 11 in parallel with decent turn around?
Dude, what a great video. Very informative straight to the point. Excited to see the new videos come out. Could you please go over the speed difference from different operating systems (if there is a difference) Either way, awesome video and you got your self a new long time sub!
If I compare my Ryzen 5950x box running Windows 10 and the 5900x running Linux that last one is much much faster, I feel you really shouldn't plot on Windows if you are even somewhat serious. You're also able to use a much more lean and tuned setup in Linux which helps a lot.
@@IntermitTech alright great, thank you for the response. I am comfortable with windows which is what I have been plotting on, but if I need to switch to Linux then I need to switch! Excited for the new videos thank you
Well, euhm, hardware is exactly in this video (and the next). Plotman configuration really isn't that special, but do check out some of the tips and tricks in my linked article!
Thanks so much for the info. Can you go into some detail regarding the CPU core count. is there a such thing as " a point of diminishing returns" been looking at 8 & 10 core cpu's. just wondering if I'm spending money in the wrong place.
If you have the rest of the system toatch up with it, core counts helps. But when cores grow, you also need more memory, SSD (space and performance) and a way to offload it fast enough to your farming sotrage
Literally ordered yesterday a rig pretty much like yours but a bit different build. Ryzen 5900x (my other system has 3900x too LOL), bequiet Dark Rock 4 cooler, 64 GB (2*32GB) G.Skill TridentZ NEO DDR4-3600 RAM, MSI MPG Gaming Edge WiFi X570, MSI GeForce GT 710 LP Passive 2 GB, 2x Corsair MP510 960 GB (3,7 PB TBW each!), Fractal Design Define 7 XL (can hold up to 18x 3,5 inch HDDs). Complete with 15x 12 TB drives for now.
@@maxmustermann194 did you find info on the endurance? I didn’t find any spec for that on the manufacturer website cause they look pretty good for the price
with a Rig of around 1400 to 1500 not including the cost of storage what is realistically the return output for this rig. How likely are you to pay this rig off and how quickly can this be done?
That will get more clear once pools are released, right now it all depends on all other factors too, you need a good amount of plots to be able to win quickly enough, but pools will average that out and you'll be able to calculate how much you can earn a day. That said, I believe it's still worth it and a 40 - 50 plot a day plotting rig will certainly help you "catch up".
By using the Gigabyte Aorus Pro x570 you save on expensive adapters, since this board supports bifurcation 4x4 for the gpu slot. So, any cheap pcie x16 card with 4 m.2 slots will do.
@@IntermitTech I thought you were using something like the asus pcie x16 with 4 m.2 slots. Anyways, ~$50 adapters with 4 m.2 slots should work at full bandwidth if the mobo supports 4x4 bifurcation.
cant get this in my country Zotac GT710 PCIe x1 can u suggest an alternative please? and also a amd ryzon 9 5900x are out of stock look like, can u suggest alternative please
Poh, well any videocard will do really, the PCIe x1 is just handy because it won't take up any of the big slots. If the 5900x can't be found, maybe a 3900x?
How many NVME SSDs will you be able to run un this machine? I'm still at a loss about how the plotting is set up. You have 2 NVME 1 TB SSDs (2x 980 Pro 1TB in Raid 0) on the motherboard, one Cheap for Ubuntu on a SATA I guess, and another 2x 1TB NVMEs (2x 980 Pro 1TB in R0) on the expansion PCI express card with the heatsink (2x Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD ) since you GPU uses PCI express 1, right?. Are these NVMEs in RAID 0? In this configuration I think that you can plot 12 plots at the same time and it shouldn't take more than 8 hours, x3 that's around 36 plots a day. Will the 32Gb of RAM be enough to run 12 plots in parallel? Once the plots are done how will you transfer them on an external drive? How can you minimize stage four transfer times? Can you do it fast enough so it wont create a bottleneck? Do you have 12 external USB drives connected to the rig? Sorry for the avalanche of questions but from all the videos and tutorials out there you are the only one who really knows what he is talking about.
Yup yup, check the next video, it will explain the NVMe setup a bit more. But yes running 4x 980Pro 1TB in R0 using MDADM and XFS (check my info article in the description). 32GB should be fine to run up to 12 staggered plots.
@@IntermitTech Thanks. :) I saw your new video and I'm thinking to buy the 970 instead of the 980. Will more than 32GB of ram help to maximize plotting?
How about getting 2 / 2tb patriot nvme’s for plotting / your thoughts having 4 on a pcie x4 expansion card for more parallel maybe double the plots per day ? . longevity of the drives are better than most , great video ! Can wait for the second part.
It's hard, but I do have a decent amount of plotting power currently. Still, even if you only win once a month, depending on your setup, that could still be worth it.
@Intermit.Tech Fantastic video with great technicals. I really appreciate your work, but I have a question. I made research on the internet and in the last days, everyone tells that the mining is over and mining chia is NOT working anymore. What's your opinion regarding this? it's worth it to invest in this? On chia calculator expected time keeps growing every day like crazy (now it's over two years!) I will really appreciate it if you can share your opinion! Thank you very much
I don't believe it's too late to start mining, especially if you already have parts of the hardware. But that's my opinion and expected price in the future, etc.
Hi, can you advise me on this components that I ordered, cpu ryzen 3900x, kingston hyperx fury 64 gb 3200 mhz, and ssd corsair force mp600 2x 2 tb, should I expect any hickups and can it plot 12 plots in paralel on this.
The SSDs are very mediocre for plotting (although I know they get advised elsewhere), you'll be able to run 2, maybe 3 at a time on those but performance won't be great. 3600Mhz memory would also have been a better match but the performance between 3200Mhz vs 3600Mhz isn't that much you need to change it.
The problem is ... when plotting at those speeds ... you will run out of storage fast, 4TB a day ? Even 8 TB hd's are hard to get your hands on these days.
Dam man, you must be putting in hours of research for us, appretiate it soo much! Im running a b550 board and looking into upgrading to a 570x because they are o;n sale everywhere. Do you know if those Sabrent PCIE x16,x8,x4 expansion nvme cards would do good for people with no many m.2 slots on their board?
I use them in both my dedicated plotters the Sabrent M2 to PCIe x4 little risers with cooling block, works great, even for Gen4 NVMe drives like my 980 Pro 1TB's.
@@IntermitTech Oh sweet, so i have a gigabyte auros b550 pro and only my top m.2 is gen 4, if i use the riser on my pci x16 gen 4 slot where i normally put my gpu, will that then power a gen 4 nvme to 4th gen speeds? sorry thats alot to ask ya lol if ya are not sure thats fine, thanks
@Intermit.Tech Hi! Explain me please such a thing: you recommend to use the x570 chipset instead of B550 motivating this the fact that x570 has PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 interface and this gives us two such extra fast slots (including one in a processor), but in the next video about NVMe SSD you recommend a Samsung 970 PRO model which needs only PCIe 3.0 x4 interface, so the PCIe 4.0 x4 isn't used for all it's speed with such an SSD and the B550 chipset is enough. So why do you recommend the x570 chipset?
Ah no, not with AMD. The ports are there if you use an APU but those are much lower speed so not really applicable here, thus extra GPU is needed. Although after installation you can pull it out if you want.
@@IntermitTech can you explain what this means to a noob, I have a 5900X planning to get the asrock phantom gaming, I will not be able to just attach a monitor to the hdmi port on the motherboard?
You only need GPU to install and setup, after that you can take it out. Computer will post fine without one. and it uses less power. SSH access over the network after that.
I don't really know, I do know that the AMD platform performs great and also has a lot less bandwidth and bus limitations then the counter part Intel often has.
@Intermit.Tech In fact, I decided to buy plot files at least like this at first :) I found a guy who makes one plot file for only $ 2 or only about 1.64€ :) I will make a plotter on my computer maybe later if at all because it is so really expensive. So now I’m just starting create to farm a computer and probably make it similar to yours! :) Or at least something like that :) And best to your video!! thanks! :)
Every Chia farmer is obsessed with how many plots they can do in the shortest time. Many to realise the tons of plots create can disappear in an instant when their 18tb fails. Chia farmers should consider building a storage space like a NAS that has multiple hdd failure redundancy. No point having 20x 18tb plots when each can fail with no backup. Plotting is the 1st phase. The next 12-13yrs of farming is as important.
While I do partially agree with you on the other hand if a disk fails, re-plotting the lost data is probably cheaper/more economic then having redundancy and thus less space available, especially if we where talking older drives anyway.
Undefined really, each plot you finish gets you a ticket in the rewards lottery basically. Once pooling is possible it'll be a lot easier to determine profit per day, etc.
Some Chinese pool already exist, I’ve seen people getting about between 0.03-0.035 Chia per day per Tb, but it was couples days ago and the network increases exponentially
It seems rare, this one might have it but it's very expensive, ASRock X570D4I-2T, another route for skipping out on external gfx card is intel, but meh.. intel... :)
Hey man, of what you talking about ? On this your rig can plot maximal 20-24 plots per day, where you find this number 40-50 daily ? Show me that magic. :)
Euhm, they've been doing 40-45 plots a day for over 2 weeks now, so those are the real numbers. They so about 6 hour plots with 12 in parallel, no issue. I'll show some proof in one of my next videos if really needed. :)
Well, it all depends, if the price of Chia keeps up and especially when pools are here, it might actually still be very profitable, but I'm not in it for a short gain but the long run, we'll see.
Intermit.Tech - I just found you and am very impressed by your candor, intelligence and ability to break it down so that I am able to understand it! Thanks for your videos on Chia which brought me to your channel. I have subscribed due to your nature to help people in complicated (to us) tasks and equipment. Thanks again and keep it up!!!!
Hey there, I've bought exactly the same RIG as yours, can you tell me or anyone else that uses similar rig, what parameters do you use to come to 40-50 plots per day? Do you combine queues and stagger, what do you do?
Config settings please! For 40-50 plots a day
YES! I spent whole weekend designing my setup :)
Yeah, once you dive into it, there is a lot to consider!
@@IntermitTech but tbh it's fun to design it if you are into hardware!
Hello! great technical content, loved it. I wanted to ask you this- first, Is 970 Evo Plus a good drive for plotting (sustained write speeds are similar to the 980 Pros but has lesser SLC cache) and second, can this whole rig for plotting be put in a small form factor case like an Ncase M1 since I need to move around from time to time. Thanks,
Hey! I can’t wait for the next video. I’m trying to optimize my setup! So far my build is:
Asus Tuf x570 motherboard
AMD ryzen 3900x
2 x 2TB Samsung evo m.2
64 gb 3600 trident ram
Storage
8tb WD red pro
4tb WD red pro
14tb WD external (haven’t gotten in yet)
evo is super bad
This guide was very helpful! A full Linux plotter setup guide would be awesome. I'm running a plotter on linux but have the feeling it's not setup properly.. I'm not normally a Linux user
I have the 5900X and I’m currently pushing around 15 plots with a Micron 6100 1.92 TB Sata SSD and the Samsung PM9A3 960GB NVMe SSD. Managed to get them both cheap but the 960GB capacity is quite limiting and so is the speed of the Micron SATA drive. More upgrades to come and can’t wait for your follow up video.
This is super helpful. Would you mind sharing your plotman settings?
This was good explanation video how to set up PC. But. Can I ask you to explain how you can make 50 plots a day with this set up?
fantastic video with great technicals, ive got a 2tb m2 on order with 5 14tb drives coming as well, going to make a run to the local microcenter to build out the rest of the rig. if I can hit the 40 plots a day like you, I can be ready for those sweet pool profits when they go live.
I was able to score deal on
Z9PE-D8 WS motherboard
2 E5 2697v2 Processors
64gig G.SKILL Sniper Series ddr3 2400
How many plots can this system do and what pci nvme do you recommend to use if I can use for temp storage to not bottleneck system thanks!!
Great video, valuable information. I am currently building a combined plotting/farming rig and your tips are appreciated!
Hi. Great info, thank you. Am I wrong in thinking that 5800x should also be able to plot 10-12 plots parallel (according to calculators online cores+threads /2) and at similar speed? Wonder if I could save almost couple hundred bucks here.. Best of luck!
It will not, it has 4 cores less and same clock speeds, so the math is simple. My 5900x is often loaded 80%+
Is it still worth getting into Chia mining? allot of the external drives are sold out in The Netherlands and even the internal ones are getting crazy expensive.
Happy birthday. Great explanation.
I'm Brazilian and started with CHIA.
The machine I'm assembling was with parts from Aliexpress.
Xeon E5 2683 v4 processor.
The clock is low, 2 Ghz, however, it has 16 nuclei and 32 Thredes.
Do you believe that the Ryzen 9 5900x has a performance much higher or slightly above?
I don't know what is better, clock or nuclei.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge.
I have all the hardware I need to build a plotting computer, along with some external drives. I intend to set up separate plotting and farming computers. Could you please help me learn which factors are most significant in the selection of a farming machine? All the articles and videos I've seen say a modest mini-computer is adequate, but I can't find any information about minimum recommended specifications. Do I need 4GB or 8GB of RAM? How fast do the RAM, processor, and internal drive need to be in the farming computer?
Thanks again for this informative video. I've watched both of your Chia vids, and I've subscribed to your channel in anticipation of more.
Most important for a farmer is that it can reach the storage where you have stored your plots fast enough, or rather, without too much latency. It really doesn't need to do a lot of read/write, it just needs to complete fast enough.
So either build a farmer with lots of internally connected disks, SAS connected JBOD shelves or even just using USB3 disks. And then if you have multiple computers and run into limitations like I did you can even spread out the disks to multiple hosts and then string them together over NFS or by running native harvesters on it.
@@IntermitTech Thank you. My tentative plan *was* to move "plotted" external drives from the plotting computer to a 10-port USB 3.0 hub connected to an Intel NUC5CPYH (Intel Celeron N3050) with 1x8GB DDR3L 1600MHz RAM, but I've received some feedback that I will need a more powerful processor to keep up with 10 drives.
Poh, a N3050 really isn't that powerful, depends if we're talking full node or pure farmer I guess. Try it out?
I've opted for an Intel NUC7i5BNH (Intel Core i5-7260U). That should do it!
Which is the best to plot chia (Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS or Asrock X570 PRO4 or ASRock X570M Pro4) ?
They'll all perform basically the same, just pick which has the PCIe and/or SATA layout you need.
mining USB Riser and convert any 16x PCI-e GPU to 1x
any old $5-10 antique GPU will work fine
Are you able to hot plug your GPU to your rig? or you shutdown every time?
No no, don't hot-plug PCIe, shutdown first.
@@IntermitTech I guess that was the case, its already weard enough that we can hot-plug SATA drives (enabled via bios)
hi, how many coin did you get? in your system
do you think it is better to do farming using external or internal HDD ?
I am worried about durability problems when using External HDD because it is not designed for 7 X 24 use.
What do you think? please input from you.
I believe it will be fine external, although I might move over everything to internal for the long run.
Thanks for video so much I have similar setup really waiting for part 3 how to set up and stager and get over 24 plots per day do you have date when ypou will be releasing 40 to 50 plots per day please thank you
just invested in a 5600x setup but got the b550 for 2.5g ethernet which I thought will be handy, wondering if I should change to a x570 while I still have the chance. I'm limited to 6 parallel plottings due to the single 2tb nvme, thinking if I should move to 2 gen 4 then will the cpu becomes the bottle neck?
Nah, for a 5600x you're likely going to be fine. Once you scale down CPU horse power (and you have about half a of 5900x) the rest of the components can also be lower performance. Same for your SSD, first try and find out if storage is actually your bottleneck right now, then change up what is.
Great content and video you have there. Very helpful. Just wanted to know would I be able to run the OS windows through sata drive and connect it rather then occupying one nvme on the motherboard. And if I Do would it effect the speed and performance of the chia plotting ?
I have a small SATA SSD for my Linux install on all boxes as advised in my hardware guide video.
@@IntermitTech thanks a lot for getting back on that. Just wanted your input if it would effect the speed of the plotting if running the OS windows through sata ssd? Thanks
SATA SSD for OS is no issue, windows will slow it down yee
Any alternatives to the Zotac? It's not stocked in the UK, so I'm not sure how else I can get a video-out with this setup?
Well anything will do really, the zotac is nice since it's PCIe x1.
Helpful video. It would be great to have a Linux/Ubuntu setup guide for literal beginners. I use the Windows GUI currently but ideally want to try Linux or Ubuntu for faster plots.
My plot and farming rig (eventually my workstation hence beefier RAM) im building by end of week is a 5800x, 2x 2TB M.2 Corsair MP600 NVMe, 64GB 3600 CL16 RAM and 84TB of storage. Am I right in saying I can max do 12 plots if timed right?
I'd say max 8 parallel plots, if that, you're storage is going to be the limiting factor, check my next video. ;)
Other then that, it's perfect to become a 8 parallel plot rig!
@@IntermitTech Ye I actually just swapped the 5800x for a 5900x, should get me to 12 parallel. I initially had just 1x 2TB drive but got another just in case and having learnt a bit more about the plotting process should get 12 parallel on the 5900x with my setup!
hard part is just getting more storage now, everythings sold out!
Could you please share your swarplotmanager configs?
I build almost the same system and would like to know how to improve now the settings :-)
And ehm... GREAT VIDEO! THUMB UP!
Thanks for the video.. need more clarity on how you got that 40-50 plots calculation.. how did you break down that calculation? 24threads assuming plotting is all you doing you can do 12 plots in parallel and also assuming you have a 4tb nvme m.2 you can safely do 12 plots aswell but with current prices it can easily blow the budget on those 2 alone. not unless you'll be using ssd sataIII is 32GB Ram sufficient to run all 12 plots parallel? if so what is the timing in between? sorry if its a dumb question calculation on my part as im trying to put together a rig aswell dedicated for plotting..
Ah, we'll you're going to need a lot more storage horse power to be able to achieve it (basically to make the CPU the bottleneck). Currently doing between 10 - 11 plots on the 5900x which all complete within 6 hours. 24 / 6 = 4 plots per 24Hrs but we're running let's say 11 that makes 44 plots in 24Hr. I'm still tuning to run 12 plots in parallel and that would bring me pretty close to the 50.
We'll dive a bit more into it in future videos. :)
@@IntermitTech looking forward to it and great tips on video's they're helpful.
Would old second hand workstation do the job? Like a xenon E5-2670 with 32GB of ram for much less than consumer equipment… or even server rack and use pcie adapter if there isn’t any m.2 slot for the temp drive
Oh yeah for sure, you just need to design everything in balance really. Got a really fast CPU, get some fast storage too. The CPU's you mentioned are a lot lower speed but it's still an 8 core so it could probably do a decent amount of plots per day. Adding M2/NVMe drives using PCIe slots is easy, great plan!
@@IntermitTech i already ordered 3 1TB nvme with 1800TBW to plug in at 3000MB/s write… my concerns was really the processor speed even with the high number of thread…. Because I can get one for like 500$ so hypothetically I could buy 3 of those for the same price of a new setup like you proposed which is already in the cheap end. And I also take into consideration the HDD shortage coming and handling 50tb of storage versus 500tb isn’t the same game at all!
I think those boxes could do fine, in the end they might not be too far away from each other in total speed for the setup basically.
How much of a underperformance would the 3900x be? That's what i have, and was almost thinking of getting a threadripper for the higher core/thread count.
Not that much, the 5900x will do a plot in like 5:30 and a 3900x in more like 6:30 to 7 hours.
@@IntermitTech Ouch, that sucks. But since it's got a good amount of cores and threads, I'm sure it still allows for plotting at least 11 in parallel with decent turn around?
Oh yeah, I have a 3900x box running too
Dude, what a great video. Very informative straight to the point. Excited to see the new videos come out. Could you please go over the speed difference from different operating systems (if there is a difference)
Either way, awesome video and you got your self a new long time sub!
If I compare my Ryzen 5950x box running Windows 10 and the 5900x running Linux that last one is much much faster, I feel you really shouldn't plot on Windows if you are even somewhat serious. You're also able to use a much more lean and tuned setup in Linux which helps a lot.
@@IntermitTech alright great, thank you for the response. I am comfortable with windows which is what I have been plotting on, but if I need to switch to Linux then I need to switch! Excited for the new videos thank you
what would be the benefits of buying nvme 1tb vs 2 tb? and why people recommend minimum of 2tb?
Because they don't get how much IO they need, or how storage works at all. ;)
2x1TB cost the same, has the same TBW, but double the performance.
great video thank you!How many plots in parallel do you make and how do stagger it?
Generally max 12, and runs between 10 and 12 at the same time. Stagger is either from 1:4 or 4 in phase 1.
Can you please mention on what settings and hardware you re using to run 11 plots in parallel as well as what is average time?
Thanks in advance 😁
Well, euhm, hardware is exactly in this video (and the next). Plotman configuration really isn't that special, but do check out some of the tips and tricks in my linked article!
@@IntermitTech i did try, i m not able to create more than 28 on this rig. Can you please help. I am using swar chia plotter.
@@kushagraagrawal1201 Hey there, did you find a way to get more than 28 plots per day on this rig? I have the same one.
Thanks so much for the info. Can you go into some detail regarding the CPU core count. is there a such thing as " a point of diminishing returns" been looking at 8 & 10 core cpu's. just wondering if I'm spending money in the wrong place.
If you have the rest of the system toatch up with it, core counts helps. But when cores grow, you also need more memory, SSD (space and performance) and a way to offload it fast enough to your farming sotrage
Literally ordered yesterday a rig pretty much like yours but a bit different build. Ryzen 5900x (my other system has 3900x too LOL), bequiet Dark Rock 4 cooler, 64 GB (2*32GB) G.Skill TridentZ NEO DDR4-3600 RAM, MSI MPG Gaming Edge WiFi X570, MSI GeForce GT 710 LP Passive 2 GB, 2x Corsair MP510 960 GB (3,7 PB TBW each!), Fractal Design Define 7 XL (can hold up to 18x 3,5 inch HDDs). Complete with 15x 12 TB drives for now.
edit: 2000GB PNY XLR8 CS3030 are the SSDs I ended up with, not the Corsair ones.
@@maxmustermann194 did you find info on the endurance? I didn’t find any spec for that on the manufacturer website cause they look pretty good for the price
@@trucha1785 3.7 PB for 2 TB drives! they seem sold out here already.
@@maxmustermann194 i actually got one just in case and Its in suppose to arrive like tomorrow
@@trucha1785 nice, they are already hard to get supply will suck soon
Nice video
With all due respect, you really reminded me of Julian from TPB. Thanks for all this great info!
very good video. lots of info
with a Rig of around 1400 to 1500 not including the cost of storage what is realistically the return output for this rig. How likely are you to pay this rig off and how quickly can this be done?
That will get more clear once pools are released, right now it all depends on all other factors too, you need a good amount of plots to be able to win quickly enough, but pools will average that out and you'll be able to calculate how much you can earn a day.
That said, I believe it's still worth it and a 40 - 50 plot a day plotting rig will certainly help you "catch up".
@@IntermitTech Thanks for the info, I appreciate the reply! Def going to look more into this crypto as it seems promising!
By using the Gigabyte Aorus Pro x570 you save on expensive adapters, since this board supports bifurcation 4x4 for the gpu slot. So, any cheap pcie x16 card with 4 m.2 slots will do.
What expensive adapters? That PCIe x16 adapter is way more expensive then those little one's I use. ;)
@@IntermitTech I thought you were using something like the asus pcie x16 with 4 m.2 slots. Anyways, ~$50 adapters with 4 m.2 slots should work at full bandwidth if the mobo supports 4x4 bifurcation.
Ah no, I just used 2x 15$ adapter which include heatsink and all that, works perfectly!
cant get this in my country Zotac GT710 PCIe x1 can u suggest an alternative please? and also a amd ryzon 9 5900x are out of stock look like, can u suggest alternative please
Poh, well any videocard will do really, the PCIe x1 is just handy because it won't take up any of the big slots. If the 5900x can't be found, maybe a 3900x?
Is it not pronunced Chi like tea as its Chia ☘ as in the type of tea leaf
How many NVME SSDs will you be able to run un this machine? I'm still at a loss about how the plotting is set up. You have 2 NVME 1 TB SSDs (2x 980 Pro 1TB in Raid 0) on the motherboard, one Cheap for Ubuntu on a SATA I guess, and another 2x 1TB NVMEs (2x 980 Pro 1TB in R0) on the expansion PCI express card with the heatsink (2x Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD ) since you GPU uses PCI express 1, right?. Are these NVMEs in RAID 0? In this configuration I think that you can plot 12 plots at the same time and it shouldn't take more than 8 hours, x3 that's around 36 plots a day. Will the 32Gb of RAM be enough to run 12 plots in parallel? Once the plots are done how will you transfer them on an external drive? How can you minimize stage four transfer times? Can you do it fast enough so it wont create a bottleneck? Do you have 12 external USB drives connected to the rig? Sorry for the avalanche of questions but from all the videos and tutorials out there you are the only one who really knows what he is talking about.
Yup yup, check the next video, it will explain the NVMe setup a bit more. But yes running 4x 980Pro 1TB in R0 using MDADM and XFS (check my info article in the description). 32GB should be fine to run up to 12 staggered plots.
@@IntermitTech Thanks. :) I saw your new video and I'm thinking to buy the 970 instead of the 980. Will more than 32GB of ram help to maximize plotting?
Depends on the CPU
@@IntermitTech 5900x
Great video. The only question I have is about the plotting drive. M2 or U2 drive? Which is better?
Either, they are the same, just different form factor.
@@IntermitTech I understand U2 last longer compared to M2? Or doesn't matter as long they are good quality drives?
U2 or M2 is just an interface/form factor, nothing more.
Can I instead ryzen 9 5900x use ryzen 7 3700x or ryzen 9 3900x/3950x
Sure, the CPU will be a bit slower, the 3900x by a good 10-15%
Any thoughts of or has anyone tried the Inland Premium 1TB x 4 in a raid 0?
How about getting 2 / 2tb patriot nvme’s for plotting / your thoughts having 4 on a pcie x4 expansion card for more parallel maybe double the plots per day ? . longevity of the drives are better than most , great video ! Can wait for the second part.
With the toital network space growing so much everyday how is it possible to keep up? My estimated time to win never goes down.
It's hard, but I do have a decent amount of plotting power currently. Still, even if you only win once a month, depending on your setup, that could still be worth it.
I am getting the following your setup and the pcpartpicker website says the bios might need updating on the x570 when u combine it with vermeer CPU's
Yes, that is correct, if you get an x570 board with a BIOS from prior the 5000 series release you'll need a quick flash using a 3000 series CPU.
@@IntermitTech i dont have a spare 3x series laying around, cant update that bios can i?
@@Spaceboi. If your board has bios flashback you can update without cpu. Otherwise a cheap A10 am4 processor is your best bet.
@Intermit.Tech Fantastic video with great technicals. I really appreciate your work, but I have a question. I made research on the internet and in the last days, everyone tells that the mining is over and mining chia is NOT working anymore. What's your opinion regarding this? it's worth it to invest in this? On chia calculator expected time keeps growing every day like crazy (now it's over two years!) I will really appreciate it if you can share your opinion! Thank you very much
I don't believe it's too late to start mining, especially if you already have parts of the hardware. But that's my opinion and expected price in the future, etc.
Hi, can you advise me on this components that I ordered, cpu ryzen 3900x, kingston hyperx fury 64 gb 3200 mhz, and ssd corsair force mp600 2x 2 tb, should I expect any hickups and can it plot 12 plots in paralel on this.
The SSDs are very mediocre for plotting (although I know they get advised elsewhere), you'll be able to run 2, maybe 3 at a time on those but performance won't be great.
3600Mhz memory would also have been a better match but the performance between 3200Mhz vs 3600Mhz isn't that much you need to change it.
@@IntermitTech Thank you for the answers 👌
thanks for you build! Just wanna know 32g ram and 64 ram may be different?
For doing up to 12 plots you are going to be fine with 32GB, no need to spend extra on 64GB!
@@IntermitTech How should we setup the parallel plotting to make it work on 32GB?
The problem is ... when plotting at those speeds ... you will run out of storage fast, 4TB a day ? Even 8 TB hd's are hard to get your hands on these days.
Ah yeah, I have 4 external USB3 drives connected per plotter which take the local ingest.
Dam man, you must be putting in hours of research for us, appretiate it soo much! Im running a b550 board and looking into upgrading to a 570x because they are o;n sale everywhere. Do you know if those Sabrent PCIE x16,x8,x4 expansion nvme cards would do good for people with no many m.2 slots on their board?
I use them in both my dedicated plotters the Sabrent M2 to PCIe x4 little risers with cooling block, works great, even for Gen4 NVMe drives like my 980 Pro 1TB's.
@@IntermitTech Oh sweet, so i have a gigabyte auros b550 pro and only my top m.2 is gen 4, if i use the riser on my pci x16 gen 4 slot where i normally put my gpu, will that then power a gen 4 nvme to 4th gen speeds? sorry thats alot to ask ya lol if ya are not sure thats fine, thanks
Yeah, that's fully correct!
@Intermit.Tech Hi! Explain me please such a thing: you recommend to use the x570 chipset instead of B550 motivating this the fact that x570 has PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 interface and this gives us two such extra fast slots (including one in a processor), but in the next video about NVMe SSD you recommend a Samsung 970 PRO model which needs only PCIe 3.0 x4 interface, so the PCIe 4.0 x4 isn't used for all it's speed with such an SSD and the B550 chipset is enough. So why do you recommend the x570 chipset?
You still have the extra bandwidth to the chipset also for SATA drives or USB connected items.
Why the GPU at all?
HDMI on the motherboard right?
Ah no, not with AMD. The ports are there if you use an APU but those are much lower speed so not really applicable here, thus extra GPU is needed. Although after installation you can pull it out if you want.
@@IntermitTech Thanks for the answer 🙂👍
@@IntermitTech can you explain what this means to a noob, I have a 5900X planning to get the asrock phantom gaming, I will not be able to just attach a monitor to the hdmi port on the motherboard?
This is correct, that CPU has no GPU inside.
You only need GPU to install and setup, after that you can take it out. Computer will post fine without one. and it uses less power. SSH access over the network after that.
For sure, I do that with my main server too, but those x1 GPUs do make it easy to just stick it in a free slot!
I real like your channel. You know your stuff:)
What you think about use the Ryzan 9 3900X instead of 5900X? Too pricey for me :(
It'll work fine, as said, I have both. Plots will take 1 to 1,5 hours longer.
I wonder how would a 10900k do vs 5900x on chia plotting?
I don't really know, I do know that the AMD platform performs great and also has a lot less bandwidth and bus limitations then the counter part Intel often has.
whats your off loading method to get that 5tb a day?
4 locally connected USB3 drives
@Intermit.Tech In fact, I decided to buy plot files at least like this at first :) I found a guy who makes one plot file for only $ 2 or only about 1.64€ :) I will make a plotter on my computer maybe later if at all because it is so really expensive. So now I’m just starting create to farm a computer and probably make it similar to yours! :) Or at least something like that :) And best to your video!! thanks! :)
@@GraafG You can contact him at this email address. I placed an order from this address: tylerscully@gmail.com
Hi, could you tell how many plots you get on 3900x comparing to 5900x?
I'm seeing about 10 less per day
Every Chia farmer is obsessed with how many plots they can do in the shortest time.
Many to realise the tons of plots create can disappear in an instant when their 18tb fails.
Chia farmers should consider building a storage space like a NAS that has multiple hdd failure redundancy.
No point having 20x 18tb plots when each can fail with no backup.
Plotting is the 1st phase. The next 12-13yrs of farming is as important.
While I do partially agree with you on the other hand if a disk fails, re-plotting the lost data is probably cheaper/more economic then having redundancy and thus less space available, especially if we where talking older drives anyway.
@@IntermitTech I like to use the 12TB not to big and not to small and best value for buxs atm
I will pay you .25 chia for the settings to get 40-50 plots a day on 5900x. I also need help optimizing 5950x.
Hahaah no need, no brilliant settings, but do check out the article link in the description, there I do share some more tips & tricks!
what are the rewards per tb?
Undefined really, each plot you finish gets you a ticket in the rewards lottery basically. Once pooling is possible it'll be a lot easier to determine profit per day, etc.
Some Chinese pool already exist, I’ve seen people getting about between 0.03-0.035 Chia per day per Tb, but it was couples days ago and the network increases exponentially
@@trucha1785 That is not a pool. That is handing the keys to your wallet over to a third party. Do not use it for security reasons.
@@cracklingice wanted to know the reward… not if it’s a good idea to do it…
Hmm should be some x570 mb with built in gfx output no? that way you should save some money nad less components to deal with :)
It seems rare, this one might have it but it's very expensive, ASRock X570D4I-2T, another route for skipping out on external gfx card is intel, but meh.. intel... :)
There are not, the ports are there when using an APU but those wouldn't have even close to the same CPU performance.
Yeah, very expensive and missing the PCIe lanes/slots we're going to use for storage later on. ;)
Hey man, of what you talking about ? On this your rig can plot maximal 20-24 plots per day, where you find this number 40-50 daily ? Show me that magic. :)
Euhm, they've been doing 40-45 plots a day for over 2 weeks now, so those are the real numbers. They so about 6 hour plots with 12 in parallel, no issue. I'll show some proof in one of my next videos if really needed. :)
@@IntermitTech ok tell me basicly for what i can do max 11 plots over 12 hours praralel ? With same Hardware :) Windows 10 chia gui use
@@IntermitTech or its only clickbite?
The difficulty of the network has grown so fast this isn't going to be feasible for long, if at all now
Well, it all depends, if the price of Chia keeps up and especially when pools are here, it might actually still be very profitable, but I'm not in it for a short gain but the long run, we'll see.
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