Hey man this was my old gun. I live in Cookeville TN. Then traded it to a guy down near Murfreesboro. I can provide pics to prove it ! lol I actually ordered the rings off eBay to match it at the time I had it . There’s a certain ammo it loves feel free to reach out to me if you need any info it’s a tack driver . Wish I never traded it!! Lol
The 260Rem is the old 6.5-08 wildcat developed by Ken Waters in the 1950s when the 308Win was released. Also a Jim Carmichael wildcat known as the 6.5 Panther. Same case capacity as the 6.5Creedmore, so relode data is essentially interchangeable. Remington's initial production 260Rem did have a 1/8" twist but recalled them after having excessive pressure with their new factory ammo. They switched to a 1/9" twist, which limits the 260Rem to a max of 140gr hunting style bullet, not HP-BT target bullet. Max weight target bullet is ~130gr. Shot my first two deer with my 260Rem Model Seven. Still one of my favorite rifles along with a Savage Model 10 Predator which Savage uses a 1/8" twist, which is not SAAMI spec but better for current high BC target bullets. SAAMI chamber specs for the Creedmore are better designed for accuracy than the 260Rem but your results may vary.
I have a 260 in a ruger m77 mkll that was my first rifle that my parents bought me for deer hunting. Awesome rifle and cartridge especially for low recoil. I will say 140gr soft points will get the job done on deer but in my experience did not produce a blood trail. Switched to 120gr nosler ballistic tips loaded by federal and never looked back. They hit hard and produce a big blood trail. Still one of my favorite rifles after all these years!
I used 140gr Remington Core-Lokts (just factory ammo) in my .260Rem and it worked great... plenty of blood but didn't really have to worry about it. I never had one run out of sight with standard behind the shoulder shots.
Jim Carmichael of outdoor life developed the 260 rem as a wildcat and built a Remington "model 7" equivalent as a light mountain rifle. I love the .260 Remington! It shoots great, isn't a barrel burner like the .264 win mag, and like Carmichaels actual intended reason was to put it in a light rifle for mountan hunting. He said he loved long bullet's with high ballistic coefficients for long stable flight in a weight just enough to take mountain goat or mule deer.
Remington has been terrible about marketing their new cartridges. Not only on the .260, but also the fantastic .300 AR that should be a top choice for that platform
@jefferyshoults5000 so very true. Remington execs were terribly short sighted. If a new product was not an immediate success they dropped it like an ex-wife and moved on to something else. Terrible business plan and helps explain the bankruptcy
I bought a rem 700 in 260 the year it came out was hunting with a browning abolt in 25/06 before that after i got the 260 i never went back to the 25/06 . I still hunt with that 700 in 260 with 120gr nosler bt at 2850 fps it is the best deer round i have ever used out to 300 yards and will shoot half inch groups all day long at 100 yards.
My favorite whitetail rig is a Savage M11 sporter weight in a Boyd's lightweight thumbhole stock (pillared & glass bedded) in .260 Rem with a Leupold VX5-HD 3-15x, 44mm. I love it and the whitetails don't. Accurate, doesn't destroy more meat than necessary, mild report and recoil (I can call my own shots on longer coyote shots), and light to carry. I wanted a 7-08 but there were zero available at the time (this region had just opened up for rifle hunting of big/medium game). I shoot a 130 gr Swift Scirocco II (G1 at 0.571) at 2,860 fps and it is lethal on whitetail. Had Leupold machine me an elevation turret specifically for that load. All I need and then some. Note that Ken Waters wildcatted the 0.263" Express in 1953 (necking up .243 Winchester) and published it in Handloader Magazine. That is identical to the 6.5-08 A-Square and the later .260 Rem. Jim Charmaichel was a late arrival but had the media and somehow got the credit. At least Waters was smart enough to use 1:8" twist (as is my Savage).
My wife has a 260 Remington she has taken several deer with it. I have taken one deer and two bear with her 260. One of those two bear was my second biggest dressing out at 267 lbs. I would take the 260 over the 6.5 cm any day of the week. Forgot to mention my wife's rifle is a Remington Mountain Rifle nice and light to tote around the woods.
I keep saying the gun manufacturers are just reinventing the wheel to sell guns instead of making ammo for what we already have. I'm not saying I will never by another gun by any means but it will be second hand unless it's a caliber that has already been established for many years. Great video wtw
I inherited a .260 Rem that belonged to a close friend who passed away. It's a Cooper and is an absolute tack driver. I took it to Montana last September and used it on Pronghorn. I used a 130gr Berger that my friend hand loaded. At 458yds the exit wound was massive. It's a great caliber and I'm a huge fan of the .264's. I think I have 9 in various calibers.
I love the 260 Remington. I got one when it first came out in a Remington model 700 Mountain rifle. A few years ago I bought a Savage Model 11 trophy 260 and it is a tack driver.
The 260 remingtons that are made know come with a 1:8 twist in the barrel an that's what you want. To shoot heavier bullets. I have two 260 remingttons and I love them.
The Boers in Africa used to shoot 159 grain 6.5x55 swedish monolithic solids at 2500fps and literally drill holes in cape buffalo horn bosses. I remember Jim Carmichael commenting on it 40 years ago.
Awesome! Was always wondering why the 260 wasn't more popular. I was curious about it myself, but just don't see enough availability in rifles chambered in it and ammo stock. Looking forward to your future videos on it.
I’ve always opted for calibers where ammo is easy to find on store shelves after you realized you left yours at home. The Savage Model 110 is now the longest continuous production sporting rifle in the US.
The 260 Remington is an excellent cartridge. The issue is the same one that the 244 Remington had - namely, too slow a twist to utilize the longer/heavier bullets that the 243 Winchester could. The 6.5 CM has a faster twist and can use longer heavier bullets than the 260. If you plan to stick with 145 grain or lighter bullets, the 260 Remington is a sweet shooting cartridge.
260 is awesome!!! I had a Sako in it and loved it! It performs fantastic and I think is better than the creedmore or as good for sure! I had a bunch of that Remington premier ammo for it and it was the most accurate I had for it!!! It was amazing! 260 is flat ass awesome! Next get a 6.5x55 Swede!!!! They are even better!!!!
You will most likely fall in love with the .260 Rem. I have the same Savage you bought but in lefty configuration. Older gun I picked up used off Gunbroker. Based on the serial number it was new in 2013. I handload the 100 grain Hornady ELDM over IMR 4064 to 3100 fps. It can easily be pushed faster but I’ve found a sweet spot at 3100. Makes a nice plinking round for prairie dogs at 300-500 yards. I haven’t tried further distance because the town I hunt in the rolling Nebraska hills doesn’t provide further shots. With the heavier gun and somewhat mild load I get to watch the impact and splody in the scope. I like to be different, the 260 Rem was doing what the 6.5 Creed does before the 6.5 Creed was around. No disrespect to the creed fans. I just like to be able to do the same thing 100 other guys are doing, but with my own twist.
Both are good cartridges and an average person could not tell any difference when shooting similar loads. The big difference is that 6.5 creed rifles and ammo are readily available, 260 Rem are harder to find.
Remington finally got the .260 right. Unfortunately it was just before ther bankruptcy. They brought out the Remington 700 PCR line chambered in .260, 6.5 CM and the .308. I was fortunate to buy a new one in 2020 in the .260. I linked a photo to the rifle in a earlier comment but the youtube gremlins deleted my post. Oh well! It has a 1:8 twist heavy barrel in a precision chassis. This setup will lead the 6.5 CM to whatever distance they'll travel. The Hornady ELDM is the most accurate I've shot. It is sub half MOA. Great video WTW! I love my .260 Rem 700.
I really trusted the weaver bases and mounts. The weaver rings didn’t faze me in terms of symmetry as I was persistent enough to tighten the rings in such a way as the reticule was square. I found with an untapered screwdriver blade the screws lasted longer than other mounts with Allen screws. I only know 6.5*55 Swedish. I liked it more than .270winchester in terms of recoil. I think the Swedish round has a wider case than .308.
Remington made a mistake with the 260 Remington. Twist rate was to slow. You want results try the original 6.5 cartridge 6.5×55 Swedish Mauser with modern loading and rifles will BLOW your mind. 75gr to 160gr Projectiles. 130yrs old cartridge that still holds its own.
I had the exact same gun as you but in left hand, it was a really nice gun. Mine had a 24" barrel and a 1 in 8 twist. The magazine lets you seat out to 3.00". I replaced it with a Tikka 260 Rem that is also really accurate too. With the 1 in 8 twist and a magazine longer than 2.8" it does everything the Creedmoor does with a tiny bit more speed. I've had a 260 since they came out in 1997 and it's never failed me. I couldn't believe it when Hornady came out with the 6.5 Creedmoor but their ego always seems to get the best of them. Take an existing round and "improve" it is their M.O. people that had 260's knew that the Creedmoor really didn't do anything different. You can load the exact same bullets in that savage of yours. Hornady's most recent rip off is their knock off of the 8.6 Blackout, the 338 ARC. Shaking my head again......
Adam! Yay! that's what I'm talkin about :-) I have looked and it is frustrating that Remington does not chamber for so many of their good old cartridges. Happy for you. Can't wait to see it in action.. Be well, Tom ( I guess maybe some fine old auto loader might go with it) 1.5/2.0 groups ehh?
The only advantage the 6.5 Creedmoor has on the 260 is twist rate and longer neck. In the 260 the longer high bc bullets go down into the body further, but this is offset by it having more space. The 260 usually has a 1:10" or 1:9.5" barrel but there are 1:8"s out there. A couple of years ago I got one in a Remington 700 Magpul with 1:8". It has a threaded barrel also so have Tollivers keep an eye out for one. With the same bullet in each gun the 260 beats the Creedmoor every time and keeps pace with the 6.5x55 as well. This is the same problem the 243 has but you can also get 1:8" barrels for them. Especially in the AR 10 platform.
A couple years ago when the 6.5 creedmore was supposed to be better than everything else out there, I bought a 260 remington. excellent whitetail cartridge
Also the beauty of the Savage is the ability to swap barrels. So you can have a 1:8" barrel made for it. I recommend Blackhole Weaponry, their barrel design reduces pressure and friction which increases velocity. I have them on my 6x45 and my 25-45 Sharp's, both with 1:8" barrels. I like having multiple calibers from the same family so that I can share brass from popular ones to less popular.
Have you ever had a 6.5 Magnum? I had one many years ago in a Remington 600. It was a great little rifle. Light weight, beautiful laminated stock, dog leg bolt handle and a vent rib. It was deadly accurate using 120 gr. "boolots". I ended up trading it and over the years I've dislocated my hip at least a dozen times , over the years, kicking myself in the backside for doing it. I took several whitetails with it and it did it's job extremely well. A really good used one today will set you back $1500 or more. Lots more than the $120 I paid for it new. Gotta go now. After talking about it, I feel another butt kick comin" on.
I have 3 260 Remington rifles, love all of them, model 70 308 rebarreled to 260 with a Douglas barrel, great shooter, model 16 weather warrior Savage, and a 24 inch ar in 260. The Needmore is old news. Nosler partition 125gr at 3000 fps
The other issue limiting the 260Rem popularity is the Remington short action magazine problem; max cartridge length is about 2.780"-2.80". Ruger and Savage are closeer to 3". With the longer bullets for long range being more popular, the longer bullets must be seated weel past the neck-shoulder junction, displacing powder space. And we still have the 9" twist issue, too. The Creedmoor is a shorter case, so bullets don't have to be seated as deeply into the powder space as the 260. Longer magazines and faster twist barrels would have prevented the Creedmoor from being needed.
The biggest problem it's a short action. It can't do high bc bullets, to seat them they are back inside the case to far. No Free bore. along came the creedmore or the 47mm Lapua. solved thre problem. What with half inch more action length was the 6.5 by 55. over 100 year earlier. who's trying to reinvent the wheel
That’s a great caliber the 260 REM. I really like that Savage rifle you got at Tolivars too. Looking forward to your next video on it. I have 2 6.5 CM’s. Wasn’t even thinking about the 260 REM when I bought my 6.5’s. It’s starting to get forgotten. Shame too.
Great video love watching all of them. Have to say 243 in my book I have had one for ever and they are more available. I guess I am to old school and not welling to change something that works for me. Keep up the phenomenally awesome videos.
Had a .260 in a Ruger m77 around 1990, had trigger worked on....Great accuracy after trigger 1/2 moa. Used for white tail, muley out west, one Elk. Great cartridge in my opinion. My daughter has it...will be going to a third generation soon as a grandchild has adopted it. The .260 and the Swedish Mauser ( very similar) are my two favorite cartridges...Great accuracy, little recoil.
According to Wikipedia the .260 Remington was introduced in 1997. Was your M77 a custom built rifle for the wildcat .260 before Remington commercially developed the round?
Hey Adam, how about a fun speculative video which Remington cartridge gets the fancy steel treatment next if the 7mm BC is a success? This 6.5-08 would be high on my list as a starting point. 20k more pressure, a bit shortened case for the fancy heavy bullets and a 1:8 twist would make this a 6.5 PRC killer without going fat
I think the creedmoor's advantage is more in the way the rifles are chambered, allowing the creedmoor bullets to be seated way further out than the 260Rem. So if you just look at the two cartridges the 260 is better, but as a whole system the Creedmoor is better.
600 target shooters needed less power than the 260 and so they went to the 250AI with a. 264 bullet and called it the Creedmoor. Hunting with a Creedmoor is like putting a Punisher and Daredevil sticker in the window of your lifted Tacoma mall crawler at the same time.
Hootie you can buy replacement barrels for Savage and get one any length threaded or not threaded whatever cartridge you want whatever twist rate you want. Savage are relatively easy to change barrels on you do have to know what you're doing and the right tools.
I have a .260Rem in a TC Encore Pro Hunter. I ordered a custom 24" barrel with 1:8" twist (the standard is 1:9" which doesn't do as well with the longer bullets... 140gr+) and it is a tack driver. I eventually switched over to 6.5CM, though, because ammo is much cheaper and easier to find. They're pretty much the same thing, ballistically, and a 1:8" twist barrel is the standard for the 6.5CM so you don't have to worry about custom barrels.
260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5CM, They are doing the same thing. As stated in the video, most people are not trying to shoot a deer at 1000yds. I read one time, the average distance in America for engaging a deer is under 200yds. Given the geography and vegetation constraints where you hunt, your actual distance to game may vary. I have a 6.5x55. It is a very accurate rifle. It is boringly effective. Low recoil, does not go crazy fast, just puts meat in the freezer, over and over again. If you cannot find reloading brass, if you have 308 brass, you are in business because the 260 was a wildcat cartridge from the 308. One decent rifle in this cartridge might be a one-time purchase for an entire lifelong deer rifle. The 6.5 bullets for reloading are not going away, so that is a plus. I have almost stopped shooting my 30-06 rifles because an old shoulder injury to my shooting shoulder pains me these days due to getting older. (it happens, live long enough, you get old). The 260 is pleasant to shoot! I had one but it went to a nephew some years ago. He still uses it, loves it.
Always wanted me a 260. I've been a 270 guy since 1996. Love it. I saw several deer walk away from 6.5 creed this year it's not ideal for deer hunting.
Not sure how much truth there is to this comment. 6.5 creedmoor is perfect for deer. Maybe sharpen your bench rest skills. Pretty deadly here in Michigan
The twist rate was the downfall of the 260 Remington which is still one of my favorites most of the twist rates were made to shoot the lighter bullets I would say start off with 120 grain and work your way up.
How do they compare to the .264 win mag? I've got a soft spot for the 264 win mag since it was my 1st deer rifle. I packed the freezer with that gun. Keep up the great work and God bless America 🇺🇸.
6.5 Creedmoor allows high BC bullets to be used in a short action or AR-10 length action. That was not possible (at least with the longest nosed bullets) with the 260 Remington. 6.5 Creed started off as a niche target round for that reason.
If you're hunting, 260 will do everything you want to do in most cases. A lot of shooters can't even shoot past 500 yards accurately anyway. If they can even shoot accurately at that range.
@ I agree. The second part of my comment was if they could even get that far referencing the 500 yards. But most hunting is actually shots taken at less than 300. In the western US, there may be some longer shots possible, but most people don’t put in the time required to make those shots or consider the extreme details involved in recovering the animal after taking such a shot. Even if it’s a perfect shot, mild rolling Hills start to add up, and if you’re in foothills or mountains, it gets pretty rough even at 300 yards sometimes.
Great cartridge who-tee-who. The 260-Rem is a fanomanal cartridge. I have a lot of good memories with the 260-Rem. I took my first deer with my Dad's 260-Rem back in the 80s. The 6.5x55 Swiss is another good one. I am waiting for my new 26-in outlier barrel to arrive for my 260-Rem . In my opinion, the 260-Rem kicks the 6.5 CM out the door . People tend to forget that any bullet you can shoot in the 6.5-CM, you can shoot in the 260-Rem. The only difference between them is case/cartridge and powder capacity. People are always getting caught up in all the Hype with big companies pushing their products. The main reason the 6.5-CM blew up was because ELR shooters were using it in matches. Then Horndy had the bright idea to push it to the general public. Because they knew that ELR shooter's would help push it. I am not saying the 6.5-CM is not a good cartridge. I am just saying that there are better cartridges out their thats been around for a long time. I am considering building a 260-Rem-AI or Ackley improved . Not only does it make the 260-Rem way more efficient, but it also gives you 10x the brass life and better velocity. You will pick up a minimum of 200+fps when you Ackley improve your cartridge. From my personal experience with all the cartridges we have converted to Ackley improved. It makes a dramatic difference in the efficiency when you put a 35-40°sholder on your cartridge . I am looking forward to seeing more with your new 260-Rem. Until then, God bless you and your family.God bless America 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
Before the 6.5CM got popular lots of LR shooters shot the 260Rem, it was popular. When Ruger introduced the M77 FTW (24" barrel) about 8 years ago, the first year they chambered it in both 6.5CM and 260Rem. A year later I got a smokin' deal on the M77 FTW in 260 because it hadn't sold, I got it for less than half price. The 260 holds about a grain more powder but longer bullets have to be seated deeper in the case so there is actually very little difference. Nosler loads some great ammo in 260, I love their 120g E-tip lead-free for hunting and the 130g Reduced Drag Factor (RDF) for longer ranges. And BTW, the 260Rem is the 308 case necked down, there is the .243, then 260Rem, then 7mm/08 then 308 all in the same case. I own both the 260 and 6.5CM and the 260 has the cool factor.
I love mine it is a laser beam you know some of the deer have actually gone 20 yards with the whereas with the 308 you know I don't know if it's just luck of the draw it seems like the 308 dropped some in their tracks. But I found that the best bullets which are hard to find the corelokt does awesome but you can't always find what you want so I have gone to the trophy grade nosler partition which is a bad mama jama. It definitely does pass through his where a lot of times with the corelokts I would find them on the far side under the skin and not get a total pass through but I wish they still made the fusion in this bullet but they discontinued it. Please keep pushing this round because if you make it more popular maybe the bullets will go down in price they've gone out of the roof and hard to find. Hornady also has doing the superformance in like 129 grain and they're fine too but there's you know they'll group three together and then have one complete fly away I'm really going to have to do some more testing on that but it seems like that's what the deal with that bullet. I'm shooting out of a Ruger m77 compact which is a 16 1/2 inch barrel awesome Mountain rifle I carry it in my hand like a pistol. Shoot straight and doesn't have the really the harmonic whip very accurate but I'd like to know how much velocity I'm losing using that short barrel.
It’s surprising that there was never a commercially available .257 based on the .308. I’ve read about the .25 Souper, or some such wildcat cartridge. Maybe it’s too close ballistically to the 6mm/.243 and the 7mm-08, as well as the .260 Remington.
I have a newer Savage 110 Predator in .260 Rem and love it. It shoots same hole groups all day long. I haven’t taken a deer with it yet, but maybe next year…..
Another great cartridge that never caught on. Every one I know that owns a .260 absolutely loves it. Even Ron Spomer’s wife prefers the .260 over other cartridges
Glad to see you got a .260 Rem. I know you ate going to like it. I own 3 bing bangs lin .260 Rem. It is my favorite cartridge. I am looking forward to your tests. I believe that at one time the military was contemplating replacing the .308 with the .260. Don't know for sure.
Had a 260 and was so hard to find ammo. I regret selling it every single day. I actually loved that boolot slinger. Supposedly 6.5 reclines slightly less than 260. I now have an awesome Savage 6.5 but I still wish I had that 260 back. Very interested to see how this one groups for you and if you do the drop comparison spreadsheet. Thank you for your videos.
Had 260 Remmy many years ago and loved it, the only advantage I see with the cm is the throat allowing bullet to sit out further. Apart from that identical ❤
I think 260 is basically a 6.5 necked down 308. Before the Creedmore (yea great marketing) a lot of long range shooters went to 260 but had to have the right twist for the heavier bullets, similar story to 243 vs 6 CM. The 6.5x47 was another that came out when CM did but did not have the marketing backup.
I remember when the 260 came out. The 7mm cartridges were in vogue, the 270 Win was still popular and there weren't a whole lot of bullet choices here in the States for 6.5's. Truth be told, the long for caliber bullets in the 6.5 were designed for penetration, not aerodynamics. It just so happens they have both.
I got a Remington 260 magpull hunter that i love its a real tacdriver with 140g matchkings and 140 amax and sst"s great with h414 and superformance get another mueller 5×25 dot reticle
I am lacing up all the holes in my shoes too, except maybe the top ones sometimes. We don't all need a 600nitro and .22colibri sitting around. I always felt it a strength to not have ammo compatibility in a collection. People don't want to borrow and thieves have no interest.
So many cartridges within a +- 200 fps difference, some wildcats didn't work out, others are perfect for what you're hunting. My 25-06. Is perfect for me. Elk, mule deer, antelope out to 400 yards. And yes its a wildcat! If all i did was shoot paper I'd probably play with more wildcats. Out of all my rifles, the 25-06 is my freezer filler. However,,, i really like sneaking into range of my target animal with my old savage 99 open sights with an octagon barrel! Now thats hunting!
I had an old supervisor from way back that told me he shot a 260. I remember dividing into the charted information on the round and was very impressed.
The .260 Remington was originally intended to be a hunting cartridge. Remington did advertise it as a short action .270 win if I recall. The 6.5 Creedmoor, which was originally intended to be a competition cartridge. In my opinion, Hornady has a better marketing team than Remington. Both cartridges have similar performance. The issue with Remington was how it was marketed. Since it was advertised as a hunting cartridge, they manufactured their barrels with a 1 and 9" which was designed for hunting bullets as opposed to high bc heavy for caliber bullets for 6.5 Creedmoor, typically has a 1 and 8" twist. Remington is notorious for poor marketing strategies. 6mm Remington vs. .243 Win is an excellent example. The same applies with their .260 Rem vs 6.5 Creedmoor. Supposedly, Remington initially offered the 260 Rem with a 1 and 8" twist, but they had issues with pressure? From my understanding, it didn't meet SAAMI specs? That's what I read in a forum. I'm not sure the validity of that. Of course, with gun forums... In my opinion, you can safely use a 1 and 8" with the .260. If you have said twist rate on a .260 and run a 143gr Eld-x it's going to do the exact same thing as a Creedmoor. The parent case for the .260 is .308 Win and the parent case for 6.5 cm is the .30 TC. The thing with the .260 if you want the high bc bullets you need that faster twist rate more than likely you will need to reload. Whereas the Creedmoor, it's plug and play. Also, with the .260 Rem, I think it was too ahead of its time. Americans were and still are to a degree a .30 nation, before sportsmen and competitors discovered the merits of 6.5's.
If the bullets are basically the same shape and are the same weight it means the 6.5 is made of lighter material because the only way it can have a higher bc is if it's longer, it has to have a higher sectional density.
If your handloading Adam new hornady load data for 260 Remington: 100 grain eld-vt 260 52.6 grains of superformance powder gets 3400 fps coal 2.775. If it shoots well that would be a nasty predator round.
140 vs 140, the creedmoor passes the 260 from those box numbers for everything by 100 yards. A bc difference of .2 is huge and probably needs a couple hundred fps difference to catch up to the higher one at hunting distances. Nothing wrong with traditional style cartridges, but any time medium to large game is involved, a modern version of said legacy cartridge will always do better. Though it may slight. Varmints? Go crazy with papas 243 and 22-250
Anothe 6.5 I have never seen you shoot I have never seen you shoot is a 6.5X55 I know Winchester made a model 70 in that Caliber and something tells me Ruger made one in a Model 77 , its an older caliber and a very good one too
Adam, i love your channel and you have inspired my rifle purchases over the past 6 months, wish i had a Tolliver's ! :} i am so interested as a bench mark, as to how many rifles you keep around, my wifey thinks I'm nuts with my collection
Been shooting the .260 Rem since before it was SAMMI approved. I built mine on a Rem 700 short action and regretted it from the start. Should have built it on the long action to give space for longer bullets. Mine now wears a 1-8 twist Schneider barrel and is very accurate but handicapped with the short action. I mostly shoot Hornady Superformance 129 gr SST at 2930 fps on the box or a copy that I load with the SST. With my barrel length I am getting 2980 fps or so. Hell of a deer killer. Results similar to .270 Win with a lot less recoil.
260 Rem, back then I just couldn’t make sense of it over my 270 Win at the time. And yes, most of us don’t shoot past 500 yards. I’ve surely never hunted past 300 here in the southeast. I did eventually buy a 6.5 CM and a 28 Nosler for plinking steel out to a mile.
Most reinventing of calibers is for selling "new" bing bangs. Its like having a a ford lariat and they came out with a king ranch. There is a difference but not by much.
Hello! I watch your channel often but have never seen the 325wsm . I have this cartridge in my Winchester high wall 28" barrel. I think you could do a show comparison with the 338wm and 300wm . Hope you can get to this one day. Thank you. love the channel!!!
I got a Remington model 7 ss in 260 Rem at 18, come on tough times around 28 and pawned it off. One of my biggest regrets. I could shoot ragged holes with handloads from 100 to 140 gr. It was a deer getter for sure. Does it shoot as flat and far as the 6.5 creed or other rounds made to handle sleeker bullets? No. Was still sub 0.5 moa? With careful handloads, absolutely.
Hahaha out shooting this Sunday with a new AR10 I built made me think of you and your quest to shoot everything… it’s chambered in .375 Raptor. Mean little guy. Have a good one!
Hornady happened to the 260 Remington. That’s what Hornady does; takes a good product and does not really improve anything, but markets it well and you got a 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 PRC, 7PRC, 6 ARC , 338ARC 22ARC, get the picture.
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Hey man this was my old gun. I live in Cookeville TN. Then traded it to a guy down near Murfreesboro. I can provide pics to prove it ! lol I actually ordered the rings off eBay to match it at the time I had it . There’s a certain ammo it loves feel free to reach out to me if you need any info it’s a tack driver . Wish I never traded it!! Lol
Small world. Pretty sure that guy said he never even shot it
Hey that’s my old rig 😅small world indeed.
The 260Rem is the old 6.5-08 wildcat developed by Ken Waters in the 1950s when the 308Win was released. Also a Jim Carmichael wildcat known as the 6.5 Panther. Same case capacity as the 6.5Creedmore, so relode data is essentially interchangeable. Remington's initial production 260Rem did have a 1/8" twist but recalled them after having excessive pressure with their new factory ammo. They switched to a 1/9" twist, which limits the 260Rem to a max of 140gr hunting style bullet, not HP-BT target bullet. Max weight target bullet is ~130gr. Shot my first two deer with my 260Rem Model Seven. Still one of my favorite rifles along with a Savage Model 10 Predator which Savage uses a 1/8" twist, which is not SAAMI spec but better for current high BC target bullets. SAAMI chamber specs for the Creedmore are better designed for accuracy than the 260Rem but your results may vary.
@@MarkW-k8p Thanks for a lot of spec information. Info is great!
I have a 260 in a ruger m77 mkll that was my first rifle that my parents bought me for deer hunting. Awesome rifle and cartridge especially for low recoil. I will say 140gr soft points will get the job done on deer but in my experience did not produce a blood trail. Switched to 120gr nosler ballistic tips loaded by federal and never looked back. They hit hard and produce a big blood trail. Still one of my favorite rifles after all these years!
I used 140gr Remington Core-Lokts (just factory ammo) in my .260Rem and it worked great... plenty of blood but didn't really have to worry about it. I never had one run out of sight with standard behind the shoulder shots.
Jim Carmichael of outdoor life developed the 260 rem as a wildcat and built a Remington "model 7" equivalent as a light mountain rifle.
I love the .260 Remington! It shoots great, isn't a barrel burner like the .264 win mag, and like Carmichaels actual intended reason was to put it in a light rifle for mountan hunting. He said he loved long bullet's with high ballistic coefficients for long stable flight in a weight just enough to take mountain goat or mule deer.
I have the model 7 stainless and it's what I trained my kids on
The biggest problem with the 260 was marketing. It never got the push that the 6.5’s received and still receive.
they are all marketing, so you spend more, and some fall for it more than others
Remington has been terrible about marketing their new cartridges. Not only on the .260, but also the fantastic .300 AR that should be a top choice for that platform
@jefferyshoults5000 so very true. Remington execs were terribly short sighted. If a new product was not an immediate success they dropped it like an ex-wife and moved on to something else. Terrible business plan and helps explain the bankruptcy
I bought a rem 700 in 260 the year it came out was hunting with a browning abolt in 25/06 before that after i got the 260 i never went back to the 25/06 . I still hunt with that 700 in 260 with 120gr nosler bt at 2850 fps it is the best deer round i have ever used out to 300 yards and will shoot half inch groups all day long at 100 yards.
My favorite whitetail rig is a Savage M11 sporter weight in a Boyd's lightweight thumbhole stock (pillared & glass bedded) in .260 Rem with a Leupold VX5-HD 3-15x, 44mm. I love it and the whitetails don't. Accurate, doesn't destroy more meat than necessary, mild report and recoil (I can call my own shots on longer coyote shots), and light to carry. I wanted a 7-08 but there were zero available at the time (this region had just opened up for rifle hunting of big/medium game). I shoot a 130 gr Swift Scirocco II (G1 at 0.571) at 2,860 fps and it is lethal on whitetail. Had Leupold machine me an elevation turret specifically for that load. All I need and then some. Note that Ken Waters wildcatted the 0.263" Express in 1953 (necking up .243 Winchester) and published it in Handloader Magazine. That is identical to the 6.5-08 A-Square and the later .260 Rem. Jim Charmaichel was a late arrival but had the media and somehow got the credit. At least Waters was smart enough to use 1:8" twist (as is my Savage).
My wife has a 260 Remington she has taken several deer with it. I have taken one deer and two bear with her 260. One of those two bear was my second biggest dressing out at 267 lbs. I would take the 260 over the 6.5 cm any day of the week. Forgot to mention my wife's rifle is a Remington Mountain Rifle nice and light to tote around the woods.
I keep saying the gun manufacturers are just reinventing the wheel to sell guns instead of making ammo for what we already have. I'm not saying I will never by another gun by any means but it will be second hand unless it's a caliber that has already been established for many years. Great video wtw
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I had a Remington Model 7 in .260 and it caught many deer out to around 300 yards. That’s one rifle I wish I would’ve kept around.
I inherited a .260 Rem that belonged to a close friend who passed away. It's a Cooper and is an absolute tack driver. I took it to Montana last September and used it on Pronghorn. I used a 130gr Berger that my friend hand loaded. At 458yds the exit wound was massive. It's a great caliber and I'm a huge fan of the .264's. I think I have 9 in various calibers.
I love the 260 Remington. I got one when it first came out in a Remington model 700 Mountain rifle. A few years ago I bought a Savage Model 11 trophy 260 and it is a tack driver.
I have two 260s in Ruger M77 Compacts. Absolutely love that caliber and has been my go too deer rifle for close to 20 years. Awesome cartridge.
The twist rate is what pushed the 260 remington to the back of the bus. For what it is though, does just fine for hunting medium game
Remington not learning from their mistakes. Same as the 6mm Remington.
The 260 remingtons that are made know come with a 1:8 twist in the barrel an that's what you want. To shoot heavier bullets. I have two 260 remingttons and I love them.
The Boers in Africa used to shoot 159 grain 6.5x55 swedish monolithic solids at 2500fps and literally drill holes in cape buffalo horn bosses. I remember Jim Carmichael commenting on it 40 years ago.
Spot on there Bob, 6.5 X 55 is a great round as is the 7 X 57.
@@Abbonorvall love my 7x57
I have a Winchester model 70 Featherweight in 6.5 x 55 Swedish. I load 140 grain Nosler Partition to 2800 fps. It is an awesome rifle.
Awesome! Was always wondering why the 260 wasn't more popular. I was curious about it myself, but just don't see enough availability in rifles chambered in it and ammo stock. Looking forward to your future videos on it.
I’ve always opted for calibers where ammo is easy to find on store shelves after you realized you left yours at home. The Savage Model 110 is now the longest continuous production sporting rifle in the US.
The 260 Remington is an excellent cartridge. The issue is the same one that the 244 Remington had - namely, too slow a twist to utilize the longer/heavier bullets that the 243 Winchester could. The 6.5 CM has a faster twist and can use longer heavier bullets than the 260. If you plan to stick with 145 grain or lighter bullets, the 260 Remington is a sweet shooting cartridge.
Spot on.
A great explanation of your new rifle, I am looking forward to seeing you and that down at the range.
260 is awesome!!! I had a Sako in it and loved it! It performs fantastic and I think is better than the creedmore or as good for sure! I had a bunch of that Remington premier ammo for it and it was the most accurate I had for it!!! It was amazing! 260 is flat ass awesome! Next get a 6.5x55 Swede!!!! They are even better!!!!
You will most likely fall in love with the .260 Rem. I have the same Savage you bought but in lefty configuration. Older gun I picked up used off Gunbroker. Based on the serial number it was new in 2013. I handload the 100 grain Hornady ELDM over IMR 4064 to 3100 fps. It can easily be pushed faster but I’ve found a sweet spot at 3100. Makes a nice plinking round for prairie dogs at 300-500 yards. I haven’t tried further distance because the town I hunt in the rolling Nebraska hills doesn’t provide further shots. With the heavier gun and somewhat mild load I get to watch the impact and splody in the scope. I like to be different, the 260 Rem was doing what the 6.5 Creed does before the 6.5 Creed was around. No disrespect to the creed fans. I just like to be able to do the same thing 100 other guys are doing, but with my own twist.
Both are good cartridges and an average person could not tell any difference when shooting similar loads. The big difference is that 6.5 creed rifles and ammo are readily available, 260 Rem are harder to find.
Remington finally got the .260 right. Unfortunately it was just before ther bankruptcy. They brought out the Remington 700 PCR line chambered in .260, 6.5 CM and the .308. I was fortunate to buy a new one in 2020 in the .260. I linked a photo to the rifle in a earlier comment but the youtube gremlins deleted my post. Oh well! It has a 1:8 twist heavy barrel in a precision chassis. This setup will lead the 6.5 CM to whatever distance they'll travel. The Hornady ELDM is the most accurate I've shot. It is sub half MOA. Great video WTW! I love my .260 Rem 700.
Yeah YT doesn't normally allow links in comments. Weird
I really trusted the weaver bases and mounts. The weaver rings didn’t faze me in terms of symmetry as I was persistent enough to tighten the rings in such a way as the reticule was square. I found with an untapered screwdriver blade the screws lasted longer than other mounts with Allen screws. I only know 6.5*55 Swedish. I liked it more than .270winchester in terms of recoil. I think the Swedish round has a wider case than .308.
The 284 is another oldie but goodie.
Remington made a mistake with the 260 Remington. Twist rate was to slow. You want results try the original 6.5 cartridge 6.5×55 Swedish Mauser with modern loading and rifles will BLOW your mind. 75gr to 160gr
Projectiles. 130yrs old cartridge that still holds its own.
You think remington would learn their lesson😅 the .243 took the 6mm rem due to twist rate as well with the 6.5 creedmoor vs. the 260rem.
I had the exact same gun as you but in left hand, it was a really nice gun. Mine had a 24" barrel and a 1 in 8 twist. The magazine lets you seat out to 3.00". I replaced it with a Tikka 260 Rem that is also really accurate too. With the 1 in 8 twist and a magazine longer than 2.8" it does everything the Creedmoor does with a tiny bit more speed. I've had a 260 since they came out in 1997 and it's never failed me. I couldn't believe it when Hornady came out with the 6.5 Creedmoor but their ego always seems to get the best of them. Take an existing round and "improve" it is their M.O. people that had 260's knew that the Creedmoor really didn't do anything different. You can load the exact same bullets in that savage of yours. Hornady's most recent rip off is their knock off of the 8.6 Blackout, the 338 ARC. Shaking my head again......
Adam! Yay! that's what I'm talkin about :-) I have looked and it is frustrating that Remington does not chamber for so many of their good old cartridges. Happy for you. Can't wait to see it in action.. Be well, Tom ( I guess maybe some fine old auto loader might go with it) 1.5/2.0 groups ehh?
The only advantage the 6.5 Creedmoor has on the 260 is twist rate and longer neck. In the 260 the longer high bc bullets go down into the body further, but this is offset by it having more space. The 260 usually has a 1:10" or 1:9.5" barrel but there are 1:8"s out there. A couple of years ago I got one in a Remington 700 Magpul with 1:8". It has a threaded barrel also so have Tollivers keep an eye out for one. With the same bullet in each gun the 260 beats the Creedmoor every time and keeps pace with the 6.5x55 as well. This is the same problem the 243 has but you can also get 1:8" barrels for them. Especially in the AR 10 platform.
A couple years ago when the 6.5 creedmore was supposed to be better than everything else out there, I bought a 260 remington. excellent whitetail cartridge
Yes it is
Also the beauty of the Savage is the ability to swap barrels. So you can have a 1:8" barrel made for it. I recommend Blackhole Weaponry, their barrel design reduces pressure and friction which increases velocity. I have them on my 6x45 and my 25-45 Sharp's, both with 1:8" barrels. I like having multiple calibers from the same family so that I can share brass from popular ones to less popular.
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Have you ever had a 6.5 Magnum? I had one many years ago in a Remington 600. It was a great little rifle. Light weight, beautiful laminated stock, dog leg bolt handle and a vent rib. It was deadly accurate using 120 gr. "boolots". I ended up trading it and over the years I've dislocated my hip at least a dozen times , over the years, kicking myself in the backside for doing it. I took several whitetails with it and it did it's job extremely well. A really good used one today will set you back $1500 or more. Lots more than the $120 I paid for it new. Gotta go now. After talking about it, I feel another butt kick comin" on.
Nope
.264 is also used in 6.5 Grendel (one of my favorites), another high-BC cartridge. I love that little monster, lol! 😎👍
I have 3 260 Remington rifles, love all of them, model 70 308 rebarreled to 260 with a Douglas barrel, great shooter, model 16 weather warrior Savage, and a 24 inch ar in 260. The Needmore is old news. Nosler partition 125gr at 3000 fps
The other issue limiting the 260Rem popularity is the Remington short action magazine problem; max cartridge length is about 2.780"-2.80". Ruger and Savage are closeer to 3". With the longer bullets for long range being more popular, the longer bullets must be seated weel past the neck-shoulder junction, displacing powder space. And we still have the 9" twist issue, too. The Creedmoor is a shorter case, so bullets don't have to be seated as deeply into the powder space as the 260. Longer magazines and faster twist barrels would have prevented the Creedmoor from being needed.
I have a Savage LRH in .260. Phenomenal gun and cartridge. The LRH has a 1 in 8" twist. Kicks butt on the Needsmore.
The biggest problem it's a short action. It can't do high bc bullets, to seat them they are back inside the case to far. No Free bore. along came the creedmore or the 47mm Lapua. solved thre problem. What with half inch more action length was the 6.5 by 55. over 100 year earlier. who's trying to reinvent the wheel
That’s a great caliber the 260 REM. I really like that Savage rifle you got at Tolivars too. Looking forward to your next video on it. I have 2 6.5 CM’s. Wasn’t even thinking about the 260 REM when I bought my 6.5’s. It’s starting to get forgotten. Shame too.
Great video love watching all of them. Have to say 243 in my book I have had one for ever and they are more available. I guess I am to old school and not welling to change something that works for me. Keep up the phenomenally awesome videos.
Had a .260 in a Ruger m77 around 1990, had trigger worked on....Great accuracy after trigger 1/2 moa. Used for white tail, muley out west, one Elk. Great cartridge in my opinion. My daughter has it...will be going to a third generation soon as a grandchild has adopted it. The .260 and the Swedish Mauser ( very similar) are my two favorite cartridges...Great accuracy, little recoil.
According to Wikipedia the .260 Remington was introduced in 1997. Was your M77 a custom built rifle for the wildcat .260 before Remington commercially developed the round?
Hey Adam, how about a fun speculative video which Remington cartridge gets the fancy steel treatment next if the 7mm BC is a success? This 6.5-08 would be high on my list as a starting point. 20k more pressure, a bit shortened case for the fancy heavy bullets and a 1:8 twist would make this a 6.5 PRC killer without going fat
I have a Browning A bolt in the 260 rem. Bought new 20 years ago. Made my longest deer kills with it. Love it
I think the creedmoor's advantage is more in the way the rifles are chambered, allowing the creedmoor bullets to be seated way further out than the 260Rem. So if you just look at the two cartridges the 260 is better, but as a whole system the Creedmoor is better.
Very rare cartridge over here in Australia.
Great find, glad you picked it up!
Looking forward to seeing the next videos on this .260!
600 target shooters needed less power than the 260 and so they went to the 250AI with a. 264 bullet and called it the Creedmoor. Hunting with a Creedmoor is like putting a Punisher and Daredevil sticker in the window of your lifted Tacoma mall crawler at the same time.
Hootie you can buy replacement barrels for Savage and get one any length threaded or not threaded whatever cartridge you want whatever twist rate you want. Savage are relatively easy to change barrels on you do have to know what you're doing and the right tools.
I have a .260Rem in a TC Encore Pro Hunter. I ordered a custom 24" barrel with 1:8" twist (the standard is 1:9" which doesn't do as well with the longer bullets... 140gr+) and it is a tack driver. I eventually switched over to 6.5CM, though, because ammo is much cheaper and easier to find. They're pretty much the same thing, ballistically, and a 1:8" twist barrel is the standard for the 6.5CM so you don't have to worry about custom barrels.
260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5CM, They are doing the same thing. As stated in the video, most people are not trying to shoot a deer at 1000yds. I read one time, the average distance in America for engaging a deer is under 200yds. Given the geography and vegetation constraints where you hunt, your actual distance to game may vary. I have a 6.5x55. It is a very accurate rifle. It is boringly effective. Low recoil, does not go crazy fast, just puts meat in the freezer, over and over again. If you cannot find reloading brass, if you have 308 brass, you are in business because the 260 was a wildcat cartridge from the 308. One decent rifle in this cartridge might be a one-time purchase for an entire lifelong deer rifle. The 6.5 bullets for reloading are not going away, so that is a plus. I have almost stopped shooting my 30-06 rifles because an old shoulder injury to my shooting shoulder pains me these days due to getting older. (it happens, live long enough, you get old). The 260 is pleasant to shoot! I had one but it went to a nephew some years ago. He still uses it, loves it.
Always wanted me a 260. I've been a 270 guy since 1996. Love it. I saw several deer walk away from 6.5 creed this year it's not ideal for deer hunting.
Ballistically they’re nearly identical. Bullet choice and shot placement is key when shooting smaller and slower cartridges.
Not sure how much truth there is to this comment. 6.5 creedmoor is perfect for deer. Maybe sharpen your bench rest skills. Pretty deadly here in Michigan
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The twist rate was the downfall of the 260 Remington which is still one of my favorites most of the twist rates were made to shoot the lighter bullets I would say start off with 120 grain and work your way up.
How do they compare to the .264 win mag? I've got a soft spot for the 264 win mag since it was my 1st deer rifle. I packed the freezer with that gun.
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264 win mag is better. More boogie
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6.5 Creedmoor allows high BC bullets to be used in a short action or AR-10 length action. That was not possible (at least with the longest nosed bullets) with the 260 Remington. 6.5 Creed started off as a niche target round for that reason.
Old mate down at ya local gun store probly loves it when you walk in.. 😂😂😂
If you're hunting, 260 will do everything you want to do in most cases. A lot of shooters can't even shoot past 500 yards accurately anyway. If they can even shoot accurately at that range.
I'd change that to 350 yards IMHO.
@ I agree. The second part of my comment was if they could even get that far referencing the 500 yards. But most hunting is actually shots taken at less than 300. In the western US, there may be some longer shots possible, but most people don’t put in the time required to make those shots or consider the extreme details involved in recovering the animal after taking such a shot. Even if it’s a perfect shot, mild rolling Hills start to add up, and if you’re in foothills or mountains, it gets pretty rough even at 300 yards sometimes.
I have a bolt action and an apf ar10 in 260 rem. You will love it. Great content and keep up the fantastic job you do.
Great cartridge who-tee-who. The 260-Rem is a fanomanal cartridge. I have a lot of good memories with the 260-Rem. I took my first deer with my Dad's 260-Rem back in the 80s. The 6.5x55 Swiss is another good one. I am waiting for my new 26-in outlier barrel to arrive for my 260-Rem . In my opinion, the 260-Rem kicks the 6.5 CM out the door . People tend to forget that any bullet you can shoot in the 6.5-CM, you can shoot in the 260-Rem. The only difference between them is case/cartridge and powder capacity. People are always getting caught up in all the Hype with big companies pushing their products. The main reason the 6.5-CM blew up was because ELR shooters were using it in matches. Then Horndy had the bright idea to push it to the general public. Because they knew that ELR shooter's would help push it. I am not saying the 6.5-CM is not a good cartridge. I am just saying that there are better cartridges out their thats been around for a long time. I am considering building a 260-Rem-AI or Ackley improved . Not only does it make the 260-Rem way more efficient, but it also gives you 10x the brass life and better velocity. You will pick up a minimum of 200+fps when you Ackley improve your cartridge. From my personal experience with all the cartridges we have converted to Ackley improved. It makes a dramatic difference in the efficiency when you put a 35-40°sholder on your cartridge . I am looking forward to seeing more with your new 260-Rem. Until then, God bless you and your family.God bless America 🇺🇸🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱 🇺🇲🇨🇱🇺🇲🇨🇱.
It’s also phenomenal. 😉 j/k bro
260 didn't come out until 97 so you couldn't have taken a deer in the 80's
@donaldsiaczka9494 check out my response to you . I posted it with my first post
@@azmaximus5050I should have pre read before I posted. Thanks for pointing it out . God bless.
Before the 6.5CM got popular lots of LR shooters shot the 260Rem, it was popular. When Ruger introduced the M77 FTW (24" barrel) about 8 years ago, the first year they chambered it in both 6.5CM and 260Rem. A year later I got a smokin' deal on the M77 FTW in 260 because it hadn't sold, I got it for less than half price. The 260 holds about a grain more powder but longer bullets have to be seated deeper in the case so there is actually very little difference. Nosler loads some great ammo in 260, I love their 120g E-tip lead-free for hunting and the 130g Reduced Drag Factor (RDF) for longer ranges. And BTW, the 260Rem is the 308 case necked down, there is the .243, then 260Rem, then 7mm/08 then 308 all in the same case. I own both the 260 and 6.5CM and the 260 has the cool factor.
The .358 Winchester is also based on that same parent cartridge, the .308. 👍🏼
I love mine it is a laser beam you know some of the deer have actually gone 20 yards with the whereas with the 308 you know I don't know if it's just luck of the draw it seems like the 308 dropped some in their tracks. But I found that the best bullets which are hard to find the corelokt does awesome but you can't always find what you want so I have gone to the trophy grade nosler partition which is a bad mama jama. It definitely does pass through his where a lot of times with the corelokts I would find them on the far side under the skin and not get a total pass through but I wish they still made the fusion in this bullet but they discontinued it. Please keep pushing this round because if you make it more popular maybe the bullets will go down in price they've gone out of the roof and hard to find. Hornady also has doing the superformance in like 129 grain and they're fine too but there's you know they'll group three together and then have one complete fly away I'm really going to have to do some more testing on that but it seems like that's what the deal with that bullet. I'm shooting out of a Ruger m77 compact which is a 16 1/2 inch barrel awesome Mountain rifle I carry it in my hand like a pistol. Shoot straight and doesn't have the really the harmonic whip very accurate but I'd like to know how much velocity I'm losing using that short barrel.
Any of the cartridges created out of a .308 case have all proven to be phenomenal !!!!!
It’s surprising that there was never a commercially available .257 based on the .308. I’ve read about the .25 Souper, or some such wildcat cartridge. Maybe it’s too close ballistically to the 6mm/.243 and the 7mm-08, as well as the .260 Remington.
I have a newer Savage 110 Predator in .260 Rem and love it. It shoots same hole groups all day long. I haven’t taken a deer with it yet, but maybe next year…..
Awesome
Awesome cartridge have had one for over 20yrs you will enjoy it by the way I own a Winchester xpr 300wsm you once owned I got it at tolivers.
Awesome!!! That 300wsm is great. I have a video taking it to 1,000 yards
Another great cartridge that never caught on. Every one I know that owns a .260 absolutely loves it. Even Ron Spomer’s wife prefers the .260 over other cartridges
Glad to see you got a .260 Rem. I know you ate going to like it. I own 3 bing bangs lin .260 Rem. It is my favorite cartridge. I am looking forward to your tests. I believe that at one time the military was contemplating replacing the .308 with the .260. Don't know for sure.
When I bought my Remington model seven around 2000 I wanted a 260 but could wait and bought the 308 off the shelf. Should have ordered one and waited.
A barrel swap lets you change cartriges. There are aftermarket barrel nut remington barrels.
My first deer rifle is/was a 260. It’s the 6.5 creedmoor before the 6.5 creedmoor. It’s just a 308 case necked down to a 0.264 bullet.
Good stuff!
Nice rifle!
Im digging my Savage B22 Precision.
Accu-Trigger is not bad at all!
Had a 260 and was so hard to find ammo. I regret selling it every single day. I actually loved that boolot slinger. Supposedly 6.5 reclines slightly less than 260. I now have an awesome Savage 6.5 but I still wish I had that 260 back. Very interested to see how this one groups for you and if you do the drop comparison spreadsheet. Thank you for your videos.
Had 260 Remmy many years ago and loved it, the only advantage I see with the cm is the throat allowing bullet to sit out further. Apart from that identical ❤
While you're at it. Compare it to the 6.5 Swede in a similar bullet.
Thanks for the video. I look forward to shooting videos of the 260.
Thanks for watching
The 260 is awesome, you will love it mate, cheers Yogi ✌️
I think 260 is basically a 6.5 necked down 308. Before the Creedmore (yea great marketing) a lot of long range shooters went to 260 but had to have the right twist for the heavier bullets, similar story to 243 vs 6 CM. The 6.5x47 was another that came out when CM did but did not have the marketing backup.
I had a savage 260rem 111, with the wood stock.
It preferred the 120-130gr bullets, especially the Nosler brand
I remember when the 260 came out.
The 7mm cartridges were in vogue, the 270 Win was still popular and there weren't a whole lot of bullet choices here in the States for 6.5's. Truth be told, the long for caliber bullets in the 6.5 were designed for penetration, not aerodynamics. It just so happens they have both.
I've had a 260 ruger american for probably 6 or 7 years now it's my deer getting rifle I absolutely love it
I got a Remington 260 magpull hunter that i love its a real tacdriver with 140g matchkings and 140 amax and sst"s great with h414 and superformance get another mueller 5×25 dot reticle
I am lacing up all the holes in my shoes too, except maybe the top ones sometimes. We don't all need a 600nitro and .22colibri sitting around.
I always felt it a strength to not have ammo compatibility in a collection. People don't want to borrow and thieves have no interest.
Unfortunately many thieves are scum bags who will steal anything that might be of some value.
I'm old school it be that 260 hands down
So many cartridges within a +- 200 fps difference, some wildcats didn't work out, others are perfect for what you're hunting. My 25-06. Is perfect for me. Elk, mule deer, antelope out to 400 yards. And yes its a wildcat! If all i did was shoot paper I'd probably play with more wildcats. Out of all my rifles, the 25-06 is my freezer filler. However,,, i really like sneaking into range of my target animal with my old savage 99 open sights with an octagon barrel! Now thats hunting!
Basically the same cartridge the 6.5x55 is even older
I had an old supervisor from way back that told me he shot a 260. I remember dividing into the charted information on the round and was very impressed.
The .260 Remington was originally intended to be a hunting cartridge. Remington did advertise it as a short action .270 win if I recall. The 6.5 Creedmoor, which was originally intended to be a competition cartridge. In my opinion, Hornady has a better marketing team than Remington. Both cartridges have similar performance. The issue with Remington was how it was marketed. Since it was advertised as a hunting cartridge, they manufactured their barrels with a 1 and 9" which was designed for hunting bullets as opposed to high bc heavy for caliber bullets for 6.5 Creedmoor, typically has a 1 and 8" twist. Remington is notorious for poor marketing strategies. 6mm Remington vs. .243 Win is an excellent example. The same applies with their .260 Rem vs 6.5 Creedmoor. Supposedly, Remington initially offered the 260 Rem with a 1 and 8" twist, but they had issues with pressure? From my understanding, it didn't meet SAAMI specs? That's what I read in a forum. I'm not sure the validity of that. Of course, with gun forums... In my opinion, you can safely use a 1 and 8" with the .260. If you have said twist rate on a .260 and run a 143gr Eld-x it's going to do the exact same thing as a Creedmoor. The parent case for the .260 is .308 Win and the parent case for 6.5 cm is the .30 TC. The thing with the .260 if you want the high bc bullets you need that faster twist rate more than likely you will need to reload. Whereas the Creedmoor, it's plug and play. Also, with the .260 Rem, I think it was too ahead of its time. Americans were and still are to a degree a .30 nation, before sportsmen and competitors discovered the merits of 6.5's.
If the bullets are basically the same shape and are the same weight it means the 6.5 is made of lighter material because the only way it can have a higher bc is if it's longer, it has to have a higher sectional density.
If your handloading Adam new hornady load data for 260 Remington: 100 grain eld-vt 260
52.6 grains of superformance powder gets 3400 fps coal 2.775.
If it shoots well that would be a nasty predator round.
140 vs 140, the creedmoor passes the 260 from those box numbers for everything by 100 yards. A bc difference of .2 is huge and probably needs a couple hundred fps difference to catch up to the higher one at hunting distances. Nothing wrong with traditional style cartridges, but any time medium to large game is involved, a modern version of said legacy cartridge will always do better. Though it may slight. Varmints? Go crazy with papas 243 and 22-250
Anothe 6.5 I have never seen you shoot I have never seen you shoot is a 6.5X55 I know Winchester made a model 70 in that Caliber and something tells me Ruger made one in a Model 77 , its an older caliber and a very good one too
The power of marketing or lack thereof explains a lot
Adam, i love your channel and you have inspired my rifle purchases over the past 6 months, wish i had a Tolliver's ! :} i am so interested as a bench mark, as to how many rifles you keep around, my wifey thinks I'm nuts with my collection
Been shooting the .260 Rem since before it was SAMMI approved. I built mine on a Rem 700 short action and regretted it from the start. Should have built it on the long action to give space for longer bullets. Mine now wears a 1-8 twist Schneider barrel and is very accurate but handicapped with the short action. I mostly shoot Hornady Superformance 129 gr SST at 2930 fps on the box or a copy that I load with the SST. With my barrel length I am getting 2980 fps or so. Hell of a deer killer. Results similar to .270 Win with a lot less recoil.
Awesome
260 Rem, back then I just couldn’t make sense of it over my 270 Win at the time. And yes, most of us don’t shoot past 500 yards. I’ve surely never hunted past 300 here in the southeast.
I did eventually buy a 6.5 CM and a 28 Nosler for plinking steel out to a mile.
Most reinventing of calibers is for selling "new" bing bangs. Its like having a a ford lariat and they came out with a king ranch. There is a difference but not by much.
Hello! I watch your channel often but have never seen the 325wsm . I have this cartridge in my Winchester high wall 28" barrel. I think you could do a show comparison with the 338wm and 300wm . Hope you can get to this one day. Thank you. love the channel!!!
I need a 325. Actually almost bought one the other day
I got a Remington model 7 ss in 260 Rem at 18, come on tough times around 28 and pawned it off. One of my biggest regrets. I could shoot ragged holes with handloads from 100 to 140 gr. It was a deer getter for sure. Does it shoot as flat and far as the 6.5 creed or other rounds made to handle sleeker bullets? No. Was still sub 0.5 moa? With careful handloads, absolutely.
Hahaha out shooting this Sunday with a new AR10 I built made me think of you and your quest to shoot everything… it’s chambered in .375 Raptor. Mean little guy. Have a good one!
That's a good one. Expensive tho
I would definitely go with the .260 Remington before I would ever get a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Hornady happened to the 260 Remington. That’s what Hornady does; takes a good product and does not really improve anything, but markets it well and you got a 6.5 Creedmore, 6.5 PRC, 7PRC, 6 ARC , 338ARC 22ARC, get the picture.