For those of you who don't know: Scandinavia[b] (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.
@@lzh4950 I thought so too but wikipedia says otherwise. It didnt help the finnish that sweden used to occupy them ie no Finland. Then again I come from Ireland and geography says we're part of the "British Isles" and the England used to occupy us as well (still hold a piece)
@@stephendoherty8291 A small part of Finland is part of the Scandinavian mountain range but our culture and ancestors are quite different which makes the difference. Most Scandinavians point to the mountain range as the thing that determines countries in "Scandinavia" but that would rule out the Danish. On the other hand going by culture and ancestors then Iceland should be a part of "Scandinavia". This leads to it being confusing even to Scandinavians themselves, especially when terms like Finno-Scandinavia etc. start flying around.
@@castor3020The correct term for the Scandinavian countries PLUS Finland, Iceland, Greenland and Faroe Islands is The Nordic Countries. And politically these contries are comparable and have very much the same goals about equality, welfare, etc. So discussing this issue in a Scandinavian context more than a Nordic context is probably more a question of keeping down duration, and not saying the same thing too many times.
If you lose money and gain a car, what value was added? It seems like it's just a sales tax? I'm interested in how that works. We don't have VAT in the US
@@nathanfife2890 the VAT is technically paid by the producer. They add value to materials to create a car. The added value is taxed. This increases the price, so it is passed down to the consumer. I believe thats how it works, but im not quite sure
@@nathanfife2890 The tax is mostly passed on to the consumer, but the business will also obsorb some of it. this explains it well: ruclips.net/video/6ajIe-5fC4M/видео.html
@@tieman3790 If the ICE car in US cots 50k, whit 0% Sales Tax. You must add 40*1.25=50K Then you need to add about 30K more in Norway and Denmark in other Taxes. Car price about 80K. Sales Tax are Peanuts. In NO and DK, a normal Salary is about 69K US.
In Finland we have 3 issues with EV's price, range and winter. Here places are very far apart so we need lots of range and our cold winters don't help with that. My father in law who has an electric Kona gets asked stupid questions like will it start in the cold.
@@fredrikvonaxelson The 2021 models many have extended range models that goes over 600km. That is already decent. Yeah, it still is pretty short in Lapland when you have only 10 major cities within 600km radius in three countries. Luckily the finnish western border is well developed regarding EV charging because the most popular winterholidaydestinations that pulls 50-100k people every week is there. Swedish Lapland is way less densely populated with EV chargingstations, i'm not sure how norwegian side is, propably better than sweden or finland.
@@SergeyPRKL isnt the range much lower in the cold because batteries dont like cold? Hope the car batteries dont act like phone batteries in the cold and completely run out of power suddenly and stop working 😂
I live in the far northern Sweden, and I've seen more Teslas than i first anticipated. But they are not very common outside the urban areas. Meaning, Luleå (nicknamed the capital of the Norrbotten) as a small city with a population of around 80k, Teslas have become very common. But in the smaller cities, like Älvsbyn that's only 50minutes away from Luleå, Teslas become rare. And villages like Jokkmokk does not really have Teslas. This is because distances, the huge need for reliability and the base need for a vehicle exponentially increases outside the more urban areas. There are 250k people living in Norrbotten, but only about half live in cities. The rest need to drive long distances for common things like work, chopping and relatives. Teslas are reliable in a mechanical sense, and even electrical. But the battery charging stations does not exist outside our garage (they do exist but they are few). In the winter, the battery capacity is suffering and the cars are not spacey enough for the common populous in Norrbotten. Volvo V70 and XC70, is the by far most common car in Norrbotten. It starts in -30°C, survivable gas milage, good road clearance for the snow and terrain, strong enough engine, spacey, awesome safety (very very common with animals on the road here), every mechanic know everything about the cars, and so on... So far, there are no real alternatives for the Volvo up here for the commoner outside the few cities. They are too cheap to buy, repair, service and drive with too many benefits and their reputation of a indestructible workhorse is too great.
I was surprised how many Teslas I started seeing in my 8000 person town in the mountains of Colorado. I'm near a bigger city, which is part of why, but people do often go long distances to hike, bike or ski, and do many times need to go on a forest service road to get to a trailhead or home. (I used a Chevy Volt on many such roads, surprisingly effectively despite the low clearance, but if it didn't have a backup generator, I'd probably have felt wary about range.). The charging network is indeed a big thing for adoption outside the cities, and needs to be as ubiquitous as gasoline fueling stations for adoption to be practical in rural areas, especially cold places where getting stuck for long can be dangerous.
Americans and Europeans used to make good cars, but also utter unreliable garbage. Then the Japanese and Koreans came, and all had to up their game or go out of business. Yeah, i'm looking at you.. FIAT.
Quality - yes. But reliability definetely no. A lot of European cars are overengineered and quite often start to require expensive repairs in a couple of years after warranty period or even earlier. While American cars are usually simpler in design and more robust.
I’m not sure how out of reach the Tesla is, it seems perception is leading behavior, not facts. There are many cost savings to EVs. Also many Danes have less need for cars so they value it less.
85% is just the beginning. if the car is one more than $33 000 you pay 150% tax (which was lowered from 180% some year ago). and on top of that we pay 25% VAT. So no wonder Tesla's are popular in Denmark. No if they only had a real backseat suitable for 3 grownup children... oddly enough, VERY few cars have that.
@@MortenVindingSvendse This reminds me of what my dad says about a time from before my birth when India was socialist & protectionist, things had similar rates + 2 year waiting period for cars. Now we are sort of capitalists & we pay around 12-14% as registration fee + 18-28% GST. Anyways the Indian gov is pushing big time for EVs here too, so they might become relatively cheaper (Teslas will still be expensive, but other brands are becoming quite affordable like Tata Nexon at $20k while Tesla will be priced at $83k+ here)
As a Norwegian I am impressed that you know so much about our tax situation. And it was really a surprise that we are so different regarding implementation. But as it is a growing demand in the public to keep tax exempts, the politicians in Norway are looking at alternatives. And the most likely ( ; from a surveillance point the ultimate nightmare) and beloved by economists is road taxes.
Norway is like Canada (I live in Canada). We need very high taxes for our roads since we have very big countries with rough terrain, and we have a little population to pay for it. If we didn't have high taxes, Canada and Norway would become 3rd world countries after a decade
@@PG-3462 yeah no kidding, some roads can still be hot garbage in northern Norway even with our high taxes just due to prioritisation, it is very important
@@taily89 It's mostly a matter of population size. For example, when I go to the USA, they have very good roads, and that's because there are hundreds of millions of taxpayers to pay for it, while in Canada we only have a few million taxpayers... Winter is also very bad for roads, which isn't helping us to have good roads
That's pretty interesting honestly. I always hear how Europeans think I their car brands are better but the moment they get brought to American they just cant compete with Americans and especially Japanese brands. My family has owned a few cars and by far the worst car we owned was a Volvo. It was the worst financial mistake we ever did. It was used but so has every car where have owned. It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond. We only buy Toyota now. In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem. This is why the best selling cars in America are always Japanese and American and never Europeans.
@@baronvonjo1929 As a norwegian who have owned plenty of cars I would like to tell you why we do Baron. The german cars for example have higher manufacturing and production cost because they use better materials and better educated labor than the americans. I hear you say we "think" they are better, and that when they get brought to America they just cant compete, in what way do you mean our cars can't compete? I'm not anti electric cars but let me just use Tesla for an example. Teslas have PU leather seats (artificial leather) and tons of plastic inside of them and they have faults like doors that don't line up, that annoys any european (anyone for that matter). My Bmw x5 e45 has leather interior with carbon parts, that's the whole inside including the seats, dashboard and steering wheel. It has alcantara headlining etc. "It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond." "We only buy Toyota now." Kind of contradicting, wouldn't you say? When you say "can't compete" I think you misunderstand, we pay for comfort, that's why we indeed say european cars are better. Toyota has long living cheap cars, of course its more of a "bang for your buck", but it's also "plastic fantastic". We don't want that, plus that's not american, so what are you really intending to say? If you mean can't compete money wise, it makes sense because our cars cost more, but we also make more money. You also say "In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem." Of course we have problems with our cars too, no car has zero faults. But you can't really compare a 2015 Cadillac XTS to a 2005 Bmw 7-series if you know what I mean. It's not just our old cars that has problems. With more expensive cars comes more complex engines and more equipment, all which adds up to more problems when it gets older, we know our cars, that why we are prepared for problems, maybe you just are suprised it's not perfect? In 2007 I bought a 2005 Chrysler 300C 5,7 Hemi 340 bhp, I've never had so much work done on a car ever. A lot of electrical issues and severe misfiring after only 30000 km. I'm not saying all American cars are shit, maybe I was unlucky you know. But I've owned 3 American cars, a corvette, a camaro and the 300c I just mentioned. All cars that needed a lot of work done, the camaro I even bought new. Not to say I haven't had issues with other europeans cars, but in my own experience I've had a lot less problems with the 3 Bmws I have owned, all of which I bought used (all between 30k km - 55k km old). ruclips.net/video/JhdRv3KNHXA/видео.html ^A not so uncommon quote here in Europe, made by Matt LeBlanc.
@@krow4382 Well dang you've given me a lot to respond too. So when I say they cant compete I mean just look at the sales and look how many European brands have tried to make a foothold in NA and the had to pull out. I'm referring to all European brands here. And again in terms of competition even VW a main stream brand struggles to become as big of a player in our market because all European brands have earned a reputation for poor quality. Though for some reason the luxury brands from Europe have this weird aura that makes people who cam afford them buy them and then get rid of th after a few years. I'm not anti EV either so yeah I agree Tesla has quality issues and I wouldn't buy one. Apologies for this but I meant across the pond as across the Atlantic to Europe. That's the way I've always heard it. Not across the Pacific to Asia. So no I wasn't trying to contradict myself there. I dont really understand "comfort" from European cars that a Toyota or Lexus cant provide. My 4Runner is a base model yet has good plastics good build quality and leather and has all the comforts I want. And if I wanted even crazier comforts I could get a Lexus GX. Or just anything else. I specifically buy Toyota because it isn't American as the American brands just cant compete. I mean cant compete in terms of engineering and easy of living and the demands Americans want from a vehicle. Literally I love cars and look at them constantly and it's just astonishing how little European cars are around after 10 years. I'm serious they just fall apart and people get rid of them. I can go to a junk yard and just find a bunch of them together that are all relatively young. I cant really speak for a Cadillac XTS. But so what if the cars are more expensive? Tell me why they have to be more complicated to fix? What possible benefit is it from a consumer stand point to have to deal with needless complication when the manufacturer could literally build it like a normal car? For example BMW I hear how much plastic is used in their engines that will break down over time. This doesn't sound superior quality it sounds like cheaper materials to save in costs. And why cant Europeans with facilities in America simply make good products here? Let's take VW for example. You can see the presence they have in Europe. Peopel must love them. And I assume good quality. Yet they camt bring that quality here and their reputation here shows it. They are a mainstream brand so surely they dont need all that complex tech right? Sorry to hear about your problems qi th your cars but I would have told you not to buy them to begin with. If it ain't a Toyota, Honda, Acura, or Lexus I cant recomend it. I'm sure there are many good cars from other brands out there. Seriously there must be. But I dont got the bank account and mental will to worry about it breaking on me.
@@baronvonjo1929 Yeah that’s true, european brands have never gotten a good foothold in the states. And over the pond was meant ironic just because it’s not American :) But it makes sense, we all love out countries and regions ahah
Yes, and taking away this benefit, and go back to 120% tax on cars again, will be a political career subside. The gene is out off the bottle and can not be put back (just the adding of 250dollar in annually tax, from 2021, make a big cryout (a 10k increase, be not be survivable for most politician. "Greta" culture is strong here.
@@terjesorhaug143 Yup. I know it's not the same there, but here in the U.S. the "breaks" are causing problems. Similarly there is huge pushback against changes but they're going to happen eventually. The two big ones are 1. Electric cars don't use gas. Hybrids and efficient cars use a lot less gas. Gas tax pays for roads. Gas tax revenue is plummeting. Now the politicians want to tax mileage. Guess how many ways THAT is not popular. 2. Home solar doesn't just reduce costs. Utilities "buy" your excess solar power during the day and credit that against what you use at night. So people with home solar basically don't pay for electricity. It's costing the utilities more and more, but they still have to maintain all the plant and infrastructure. So they want to charge for just being connected to the grid. Also not popular.
Government: We'll give you huge breaks for buying electric. People: Buy electric Government: We're losing money. No more breaks. People: Buy cars without brakes. Government: We're losing even more money through healthcare now! No more healthcare. People: Wake up and realize they're living in the USA.
I can say that there's another problem with bev's, atleast here in Sweden. And that is charging stations, ev's usually can't go as far as petrol cars, and with how sparse charging stations are in rural Sweden it's a bit difficult to travel long distances with them.
In both Sweden and Finland that (long distances) plus the cold winters are two factors that will make it hard for EVs to become competetive. Most families need at least one long-range car, and so the dependence on petrol and diesel cars is hard to get away from.
It’s why I chose a gas car this time around honestly. I wouldn’t be able to charge the thing anywhere, and am too far away from anything for it to be helpful any time soon. That being said I hope in 7 or so years it gets more reasonable, the availability on pumps can only expand
@@solkvist8668 yeah, my dads commute to work is over 2 hours long, from Stockholm to Finspång, and he got a Volvo V60 T8. Which is a hybrid. He just doesn't trust that EVs will reliably make it, atleast after a few years of use. There are also almost no charging stations along that commute...
@@ihak707 I can tell you that there's no problem in driving a Standard Range Tesla between Stockholm and Åre for example. And then it's -5 to -20 degrees outside.
@@donnerstal well I can tell you that our family friends won't go to our house in Vemdalen in a long range model x because the charging stations are just placed in a way that they'd have to go the long way round I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's a big deal and you kinda have to plan your trip by where there are charging stations, which is a big inconvenience
Greetings from Sweden! This explanation is right on the point. The price of a Tesla m3 is about 100,000kr too high to hit mainstream market. If the Berlin factory can produce high quality m3 with the new battery it might be the sweet spot for us Scandinavians...(and a m3 estate please !!)
Man in serbia average salary is 350e-400e i saw tesla only once and that was some tourist i bet you can count teslas in serbia on your both hands fingers
Hmm... transportation fees are not the reason for Tesla to build factories in Europe - tariffs are. The import of tariff for cars manufactured in the US is 10%.
Thank you for this informative video. I'm from Brazil, and in 2018 I saved enough money to go the largest Auto Expo in Latin America, the São Paulo International Motor Show. After years of watching RUclips videos about the Renault Zoe, I finally had the opportunity to see it, to go inside it, to touch it... It was like a dream come true. I didn't get to drive it, but that's okay. It was a good feeling to taste the future that won't happen here for at least the next 10 or 15 years, possibly more. It is always a pleasure to see that some part of the world is doing something to at least try to resolve some part of the environmental crisis we're in. Maybe I'll succeed someday in saving enough money to visit Scandinavia, Mr. Bahl, and see, with my own eyes, what you guys have accomplished so far. Keep leading in the right direction, Scandinavia. The rest of the world is watching and waiting for more of your success stories.
@@NoMoYOUsernames I sincerely doubt that. Question isn't the price of the vehicle. Question is that the roads aren't made for these cars. They won't last a year on these roads. Question is the electric infrastructure. We have constant blackouts even now when we don't need to charge the vehicles. Also electricity is expensive here. Third is that what do you use these cars for? Going to supermarket? Because there is no way you can get anywhere further with these cars. The overall infrastructure in Brazil isn't made to make your life easier. It's very basic and maintenance is non existent. Before we can even dream of having huge amounts of these Duracell cars we need to improve the infrastructure about 500%
@@NoMoYOUsernames you have the electricity price all wrong. There is missing taxes and other fees. I'd say that 1kWh would be something like 3,5 reais. Also what do you know of our terrain? If normal cars won't last how would Duracell cars last.
@@NoMoYOUsernames colombian here. I think the Brazilian guy has a point. Driving through the andes mountains with altitudes of 3000m above the sea level and down and back up gain in a 100km distance makes me think that the need for petrol trucks and cars to properly distribute stuff throughout the country will be longer than 10yrs. Maybe not 50. The infrastructure grid not only on roads but electric is great as is the generation. Furthermore, the current methods of electric generation may not be as green as has been suggested and nuclear may be a better alternative. Which will also take more time and higher investments on infrastructure.
@@karibordi2082 Electric cars and infrastructure is not going to be the answer in every part of the world, It makes sense in Europe, Asia, Australia, USA, Canada, UK but in other parts it will be other technologies that will be the driving force. Hybrid ICE Cars (Cars that drive part Electric part gasoline) Hydrogen Cars, Bio Fuel driven cars. Electric is not the only technology that can help in reducing carbon emissions. Its going to need to be adopted to what is most practical in a specific region and environment and that can happen sooner rather then later, but it is much up to the governments to make it cheaper than other options, give tax breaks and remove burdens on companies when building out infrastructure, its a collaboration effort between private and public sector. Some infrastructure must be in place and it mist be cheaper before people will buy into it. It can happen and frankly it must happen in some form to reduce emissions and it needs to start long before 2050. Change takes time and therefore it must start long before the goals that are set.
Great channel. As a Swede living in the US since many many years it’s nice to find someone who has a good grasp of the American society hence the ability to compare to the Scandinavian societies. Subscribed.
One of the big problems is the down-payment required when doing a private lease in Sweden. When I bought my Model X almost 2 years ago, the lease company recommended by Tesla - DNB - demanded I cough up 30% instead fo 20% up front. Not many people have 350,000:- lying around, and if they do, they often have other plans for it. So not a good scenario. I think a lot of Teslas in Sweden are purchased via whichever employer they have (some offer this as a tax perk - you pay the monthly lease gross from your salary). Others have them as company cars. After owning the car for 6 months, you get 60,000:- back from the governing body responsible for transport. Nice, but it still doesn’t offset the initial huuuuge cost. Interestingly, a company lease requires no down-payment. Then of course there’s the insurance costs... I’m in my 50s, zarro claims, and my insurance is a whopping 13,000:- each year. So, the issues are - the initial lease outlay, the insurance, and the MOMS (VAT) at 25%. And of course the consideration for charging the car - many people live in apartments - superchargers are not common enough, other EV charging companies need to get together and have a common method for accounting costs - because right now it’s insanely complicated, and most car parks - even in the cities, do not have public chargers. So if you can’t charge your car where you live, you are less likely to buy one.
I'm Swedish and my grandfather was Icelandic. My wife is Same Finish. My neighbor is Norwegian and my youngest sisters husband is Danish. -I like to run my car on Icelandic Vulcanol.
"important for the perception of the build quality" .. buddy, have you ever seen or been in a tesla? While teslas are the better EVs they are shit built cars. They do not need to improve the perception, the need to improve the actual build quality. Having a service network that make it any kind of possible getting spare parts are also a huge hurdle. Kind regards, Sweden
Tesla is only 10 years old. They are still learning how to manufacture cars in large volume. VW, Toyota, GM make 10 million cars a year (each of them). They have been mass- manufacturing for many decades and know how to do this. Tesla almost managed to make 500,000 cars in 2020 and naive investors took it as a major achievement. But Tesla did show that there is money to be made in selling expensive, short-range vehicles and the big boys re-tooled production lines and will soon be delivering as many EVs as buyers want to buy.
Selling spare parts to the public would cut into their profit. Tesla is not a car builder, it's a means of generating profit. They go to extreme lengths to shake cash out of the pocket of their clients.
There is a big difference in quality between Tesla in North America and here in Europe. For the S & X, only gliders are imported from the US and final assembly is done in Tilburg, NL where a lot of issues get corrected. There is also better QA on the europe-bound cars, I've picked up over a dozen Model S and Model 3, some for a friend who has a rental company and one for myself with only minor issues, less serious than I've seen with other brands like BMW. You can bet with my own Model 3 I went over every millimetre and I found no issues bar a paint drip in a non-visible area on the bottom of a rear door. It was also a year after launch before the first Model 3 came to europe and a lot of the production/QA issues were resolved by then. I've seen far more issues on North American Teslas, and I also wouldn't by a first-year production car from any brand.
@@rok1475 The biggest issue there is with what batteries? None of the OEMs bar Tesla have enough supply to even meet current demand. Geely/Volvo has a shot if Northvolt gets off the ground... but they have no factory built yet and the mines in the area to supply the Northvolt factory are also still in the planning stages.
A lot of Swedish EVs ended up in Norway. They were heavily subsidized in Sweden so Swedes bought them, drove them for a while and then sold them to Norwegians. And I think the Danes still remember the Ellert, that's why they don't like EV's. 😉😁
Even in finland volvo is high quality car and volvos keep their value quite well is because it is nordic car even tho we know it is swedish but we can set that aside with cars
If they want to see Tesla above Volvo do something with the design.... this is also a key thing about Volvo! Interiors are made with passion and a feel, tesla is a slap of a display with a horrible looking interior, and the exterior hasn't improved but gotten worse
That's what I was thinking. I'm also not the biggest fan of the exterior design. Volvo looks way better imo. This futuristic stuff isn't doing it for me. The same goes with other brands like VW.
To be fair to Swedes the perceived difference in quality between a Volvo and a Tesla is firmly based in reality. If I park my Model 3 next to a V60 it looks like it has been assembled by children using nothing but hammers.
Lol! A bit of an overexaggeration but I like the analogy! Yes the Tesla is not known for high quality but for innovation and ability to grow as a company by minimizing procedures and getting to the bottom line.
I do not agree here: 1) To 23 0% VAT 2) Tesla has 30% of all car sale in Norway 3) Volvo is Chinese 4) 4860 battery price falling. After 23, will a EV cost 20% less, and VAT will only make it 0% difference again 5) This Winter EV production price will fall below ICE p-price 6 ) Denmark removed all support, from one day to the next 7) We have a big second hand marked, a used Model S for 70% discount 8) Strong support in Norway 9) Super strong and available Charging 10) Cost of buying is one thing, the operating cost, is significantly lower 11) In NO and SE the electrick power price is about 6 to 8 EuroCent pr KwH (or 15 to 20% off gassoline).
True but if you want to go further than where a Ristet med det hele can take you, then with public transit being really bad value and unreliable and the matter of the industry here, getting around greenly is still rather hard.
@@drdewott9154 rent a car. I do not see the sense to own the car now. I leave my city just several times a year mostly using train or blablacar. If you travel every weekend it makes sense to buy a car.
@@2mek99 owning a car is pretty much a must if you don't live in CPH. Here in Jutland the public transportation is horrible, especially if you are outside of Aalborg or Aarhus. While a bike and public transportation can get you many places (often super delayed and really slowly), it just isn't viable as the only form of transportation for most people outside of those cities
@@dackzy404 What are you talking about, I have lived in Jutland my entire life and don't have a drivers license, I've been able to get basically everywhere I need with my bike and public transport. It's not to say that the public transport is amazing and it really needs to be expanded but it is sufficient, though most of the time the bike is faster.
@@dackzy404 Denmark is utterly flat, gets hardly any snow and is a tiny country - according to google maps you can bike it north-south in 20h. You can get a trailer for carrying stuff, and an electric bike if you find it too tiring. Why on Earth wouldn't you take the bike?!
Great video, although I'd take a few other things in consideration as well. Even compared to Germany, the charging infrastructure is pretty poor in Danmark. The big gap between conservative rual areas, like most of Jylland, compared to Copenhagen us also important. In Copenhagen, many don't need cars because of the excellent public transport and cycling network, so people who would consider EVs don't need cars at all. In Germany, the border region with Danmark in particular, cars are needed to get around and becoming green is important to many. So EVs are popular for German standards, many villages and towns already invested in solar and wind energy, so they have money and are open to EVs, charging infrastructure exists.
Poor no, expensive yes. www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ Yes it is not so many that in Norway and Sweden. But Denmark is a small, flat, and 99% snow/ice free Century, so they do not need so many charger`s (and there is a great culture difference, when the Dane`s as everything very close by there home, in most cases (5 to 15min will cover most needs), in Norway, you have maybe 400km to public office`s and specialized services, i f you live outside the mayor city's eras.
@@terjesorhaug143 Your very right, I'm comparing two very similar parts of Denmark and Germany, the border region I'm quite familiar with. There aren't many differences between amount and distance of services, but EVs are a lot more popular in the German part. I'd guess due to the popularity of renewable energy, so people are more open about EVs.
10:00 comparing averages is not the best way to make this point. The influence of high-earners and high-net worth individuals skews what regular people are actually able to do. You should be comparing median values. This will tell you what half of the citizens are capable of, rather than what half of the money is capable of.
Hehe, I think you will get very mixed experiences on that. I will never go back to VW after all the trouble I have had with my transporter work van and my 2016 passat. Recalls, waiting for months to get an appoinment, messing the car up even more at the shop etc.. With Tesla, so far, It has been a breeze! Get a loaner straight away, fix the car over the air, comes home to you, easy to get a hold of through the app etc..
As a Finn I totally expected that Finland would be in this video but when I heard Oliver was from Denmark I knew it was just real Scandinavia in this video. Most of these Scandi videos that I watch come from people outside of Scandinavia or Nordics so they just lump us all together.
Scandinavia (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The majority national languages of these three belong to the Scandinavian dialect continuum, and are mutually intelligible North Germanic languages.
Tesla is a luxury brand, hence the price. It's like saying here's Rolls Royce's problem in South America: they failed to build a model that the middle class can afford.
Diffrence is there are hundreds of clocks and therefore this specific brand stands out. As of now the ev tech is still not the most wildly used. It doesnt make sense to convince people to buy a luxurious brand of something people hasent still opened eyes for. Idk my opinion
Luxury? Mate. Tesla is at Citroen's level maximum. You want luxury? Buy an S class. A lexus. A 7 series. Even a fucking bmw 3 series is better in every way.
@@gui18bif The newer models arent as bad as the old ones. The interior may be simple but its not "cheap" and their infotainment system is easily one of the best. Their build quality is still pretty bad, but it has improved a lot. The biggest flaw they have is probably their chassis, which is utter garbage. Overall they lack, but in the EV market they definetly are a luxury brand.
Sure it is, the problem is that if Tesla stays a luxury brand they will go bankrupt. Currently due to a bubble they're the highest valued car company in the world, if they do not address that and actually reach the kind of market share that this valuation should equate to the bubble will collapse and when an investor bubble collapses the value will fall down way below what it started at. You can call it a luxury brand as much as you want but that doesn't negate the inherent economics at play here that Tesla needs to appeal to the average driver in order to stay afloat. Luxury car brands rarely stay independent and are never that successful, there's a reason why Volkswagen is the true number one in the car making business, luxury cars are simply a too limited market to keep a company competitive in the car market and that's why they usually are brought up by the large manufacturers who them make it and turned into a flagship. Not exploiting a promising market simply because you're a "luxury brand" is just stupid.
In France you can see a few Teslas but they are not common you see more Porsches or Jaguars in the same price range. They are as numerous as Maseratis which are way more expensive.
Yup, i see that is the biggest challenge too. And the range of the battery. Electric cars need to have those two factors improved to be more successful.
@@Zivilin On the other hand, Denmark is the easiest country to fix that problem, since the distances are much shorter between towns and cities than in Norway and Sweden. In Norway it's common that the minimal accepted range is driving Bergen - Oslo with only needing one 15 min stop to recharge. The drive is about 470km and currently takes about 7 hours. There's no motorway between the two largest cities in Norway yet.
Norwegian here, don't own Tesla, but Norway is a big customer of Tesla cars and there is no workshop to fix them in Scandinavia. Regular mechanics won't touch the computer parts and it also ruins the Tesla warranty from what I've heard. People who bought a new Tesla and had a problem with the battery or the car, had to send it to UK to fix and wait months while they were given a non-Tesla car in the meantime, a bit of a letdown for those looking forward to driving their new Tesla. This is not so bad, since warranty usually covers this for a few years. If you bought used or the warranty doesn't cover anymore, insurance can be tricky depending on what it is and rarely cover shipping costs; then it quickly gets expensive. They should consider having at least one Tesla autoshop to fix and sell cars in every country that has many customers if they plan on keeping them and creating new ones, but that's just my opinion
Hi, Swede here. At this point I would probably buy a Polestar 2 rather than a Tesla just because it's based on tech from Volvo so you are definitely correct. The biggest issue however is still price (+ charging availability, especially of you live in an apartment like I do)
My problem with the Polestar is simply that it costs more than a Model 3, and you get less performance and (more importantly) range. The Model 3 is so hard to beat in terms of raw specs. I've driven a Polestar 2 though, and it's a beautiful car.
@@logitech4873 in Norway the price is the same for a Tesla 3 and Polestar 2. I bought Polestar due to issues with paint quality and build quality on the Tesla.
Yeah... the typical counterargument is that if Norway did not extract and sell fossil fuels, others still would, and it would be worse if your and my petrodollars went to places like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Russia, etc., which do not give a damn about basic human rights, let alone climate change mitigation. There certainly is validity in this, but the "noblesse oblige" overtones do feel like BS.
@@NoMoYOUsernames long term oil income will be reduced one way or the other. They have so much hydro electric power to be shared among a small population that fossil fuels don’t make sense locally. But if this wasn’t the case they would not be as electrified as they are.
@@rok1475 I think it’s better to be clean in your own country and export oil to the world than it would be to be dirty in your own country and export the oil! Of course the oil exporter must bear some responsibility for the harm his product causes but it is the customer who chooses to persist in consuming and polluting when there are perfectly viable alternatives available! Perhaps Ironically it is in part due to the demand for EV’s from Scandinavia that Tesla has established it’s European operation, bringing down costs for its European customers and applying pressure to the established manufacturers to provide their own quality EV’s. Sometimes it feels as though you come under more criticism for taking a meaningful step in the right direction than for having not bothered in the first place!
The number one reason for EVs and Tesla's initial rise in Norway was affordable "luxury" vehicles. Like it or not, the upper-middle class are the trendsetters in society and have more political capital to sway regulators in an EV favourable way. They also have an economy to overcome the pitfalls and quirks associated with early bird adopters of new technology. As well as funding boundary-pushing R&D that will eventually make its way to the cheaper EV variants. Trying to discourage the "luxury" EV segment and encourage the "low-price" segment will just reinforce the stereotype of EVs being shitty/boring cars for hippies (e.g. Th!nk, buddy-electric, nissan leaf). Ultimately slowing progress towards an all-electric society. It's more like "Scandinavia's EV Paradox" than "Tesla's Scandinavia Problem".
Is not the Norwegian fund investing in Tesla stocks and as such is in the interest of them for Tesla to succeed? & they what to help them with the domestic market ...
if we're talking about the low price game, there is already an "EV" that sold for $980 on alibaba. Of course it's extremely strip down and only have 30 mile of ranges and very slow. It's pretty easy to go cheap if the manufacturer is willing to sacrifice a lot of quality. It's a lot easier to make a qualified product cheaper than it is to make a cheap product to have more quality. Since the former has higher margin to allow for more R&D to reduce cost, but the latter is already so bare bone and have such razor thin margin that there won't be enough profit to devote to R&D unless it's selling at extremely high volume.
Not really, quality usually comes from experience not R&D, though it really depends on what we mean when we say quality. Do we mean it in the sense of nice to have features and high performance? Or do we mean high build quality and functional and thoughtful layout? The former does come from money yes but the latter just comes from experience and mass production. Teslas are kinda infamous for having problems with build quality but having very techy features but Volkswagen is known for good reliable design and they can put their decades of experience in designing cars for the average person to use and make a car that is comfortable and fit for that person. Not only that but mass production allows you to use better tooling, have better quality assurance, use better materials and so on because of economies of scale.
no, price is not Tesla's problem in Norway (TOP1 in 2020 will be etron!), the starting price of ID.3 is lower but it is the starting price and you can only put a bike on ID.3 + Superchargers are a huge advantage. The only problem Tesla has in Norway is lack of supply, and it is so obvious in December again, as always in the end of a quarter. Volkswagen has a huge, loyal customer base, Toyota being another example - no other explanation why Norwegians buy RAV4 now, with its terrible electric drive train.
How? Yes it has sold many cars this year. But 423 this month against Tesla whit almost 3 000 cars (I guess 400/3 000 at the end of dismember). Do not forget that other then the Korean`s and Chinese, do not have any significant battery production. So they can get high sales in small markets , but it stops there. Lack of supply? teslastats.no/ it locks like Tesla will have about 30% of the total car sale in Norway this mount, 30% a lack of supply? Loyal customer`s? Tesla has by fare the most loyal Norwegian customers in Norway, Then Volvo and Mercedes. I see some but not many RAW 4 on the roads. The important here is that EV, will represent about 70% of ALL new car sales i this mounth in Norway ( elbilstatistikk.no/ ). and that 90% of the country has extremely good charging options (I live in the suburbs, and i got maybe 1 500 plugs to charge on, whitin 15minuts drive)
Very important to understand that after a strong EV sale for 6 years, Norway has developed a strong second hand EV marked. About 15% of all used that is for sale now, are a EV (and about 1/8 cars are EV in Norway now).
Not many people buy Tesla's anymore. If your favourite brand is BMW, Mercedes, VW, Volvo etc And if you want an EV, you couldn't buy an EV from any of those brands, but you can now. And so people are buying those brands now and couldn't care about Tesla, looking at sale stats show that. The other thing is Tesla spends months to build anything they only build 5,000 cars a month, and the cars fall apart, big time fans don't talk about that much. Only richrebuilds has said anything and he's been banned from Tesla for it.
EVs are becoming very popular in Denmark. In December 2021 more than half of the new cars sold had an electric motor. Half of the electric cars are pure electric, the other half are plug in hybrids. And there is also a big import of used (almost new ) electric cars from Germany. The car taxes in Denmark are hefty so they are quite important!
As a Norwegian with family who has alot of EV. My uncle owns 2 Model S and was one of the first to get his first Model S in Norway. And sister + cousin who both went for the new Nissan Leaf. Electric cars are inteiguing. And its definatly the right move. However they come with some problem. Charging them, while norway has alot of infrastructure to charge EV. It is not the infrastructure I am about. maybe it is how the electric grid in Norway is designed but Lightening have devestating effects on vehicles that are undergoing charging. So you gotta be aware and make sure to disable the charge during a thunderstorm. Both my neighbour with a Model X and my sister have had their batteries fried by a thunderstorm. Now the second problem is the rubber problem. EV due to alot of torque+weight eats through cheap tyres like no tomorrow. You gotta buy the more expensive premium tires if you want them to hold for several seasons. And then you have the third problem. Resellability. EV has a dramatic value loss on resale. While conventional cars tends to keep their value higher than EV's when buying a used one. And most people in Norway do buy decond hand cars and the marked is huge for second hand vehicles. And then there is the final problem for EV, but you also see them in newer conventional cars. The eletrical wiring just dosnt hold up. My close friend who is a Vehicle Electrician and does this for his living, says the wiring and all eletric vehicles and majority of modern cars are so shoddy they rot very easily. Consider the climate in norway especially with rough terrain puttibg alot of Ice Snow Rain Salt and vibration. Alot of wiring gets eaten up and starts making errors, and having to fix that wiring is expensive as hell. Sad thing is it could have been easily prevented if they used a better grade cape around the wiring, or even just redesigning how the wiring goes thru the car. The first Nissan leaf was notoriously bad as wiring went along the bottom of the car near the canals leading to cars that got dented canals due to speedbumps or whatnot. Would immidiatly start to corrode the entire section, which could lead to some serious faults
@@baronvonjo1929 The libertarian, conservative and nationalistic(?) party all want the fee halved or removed. Sadly the center paties and left leaning parties all want it to stay the same although i wouldn't put it past the ex-communist party to want an increase.
The best option in Scandinavia is a bicycle and public transportation. 🤣 I'm living in Norway, and cars prices are insane. They are 2 times larger than prices in Germany. And on top of everything, road tolls. There are cameras all over the city, and you are charged from 3-6 euros for 1.5 hours depending on the zone you are driving (it is like 50-30% cheaper for EV). So, you are paying more money to go from home to working place by car than with public transportation. My girl and I thought to purchase a new car. But when we put everything on paper, it is like 600 euros a month for a car, plus equaty of 10.000 euros that you pay. Way too much money for something that loses value over time. So, we agreed to invest that money in something that can generate income after some time, rather than investing in buying a car.
Interesting video, well made but i need to talk about one thing that annoys me a lot in the comment, but also online in general: Tesla is a competitive company not a non-profit organization, all the talks about "Tesla is happy that others offer e-cars", "Elon wants to build a greener future", that's all just marketing-blabla and it is crazy how many people are believing that the quotes are more. Tesla is a company listed on stock exchanges, what counts is market-share and sales, Elon Musk as a business man not a philanthropist, even tho him portraying himself as such might very well be part of his business-plan at this point. In Europe Tesla is losing ground at a pretty fast pace and that is a problem for Tesla, what Elon said on twitter a few years ago is irrelevant. The emotional attachment many people have to Tesla as a Brand and Elon Musk as a Person is pretty fascinating, but it prevents them from seeing the writing on the wall.
@@NoMoYOUsernames You are actually right about my cynicism, i tend to be cynical sometimes that is true. But in my opinion it is not really such a terrible thing i like to be rather cynical than naive and delusional, but that is besides my point. About what a philanthropist is, this is what Wikipedia says: Philanthropy consists of "private initiatives, for the public good, focusing on quality of life". Philanthropy contrasts with business initiatives, which are private initiatives for private good, focusing on material gain, and with government endeavors, which are public initiatives for public good, e.g., focusing on provision of public services.[1] A person who practices philanthropy is a philanthropist. A good Businessman is a bad philanthropist and vice versa, Elon Musk is a good businessman. He can practice philanthropy in fields outside of the fields he does business in, sponsoring musicians, saving wildlife, you know the things rich people do. Right now more and more of the traditional manufactures are getting serious about EVs, as a consequence Tesla's market share is shrinking, (btw i am not saying Tesla will fail completely, they have still a technological advantage in some fields...they just loose their status of uncontested EV-King that they had since the launch of the model S) VW Group and Renault expanding their EV lineup and selling more EVs than Tesla makes philanthropy Elon happy, but for Tesla CEO Mr. Musk it is not good news, that is the contradiction.
Thanks for the video. From what I can see in this video, buying and registering a second-hand Teslas will be close to the new price today in a few years.
Find it strange how Norway somehow manages to give the impression they're green, while exporting huge amounts of oil. Like a drug dealer who doesn't sample their own product
We are also considered the most peaceful country in the world. Although we are exporting a lot of military equipments (defence systems), mainly missile and weapon systems, and ammuniton. We are a small country with 5million inhabitants. In 2012 were 7th largest weapon exporter. It's a paradox.
There is no registration fee for cars in Sweden, there is VAT only (25%). There are however some direct subsidies for electric cars which are nowhere near the fee levels in the other scandinavian countries, I think the max level now is SEK 60000. There is also some annual tax system (bonus/malus?) the first three years which I think costs something like 5000-10000 for an ordinary non electric car
@@johansvideor would mean he needed to include the situation in iceland and finland aswell, which would take alot more effort when he can get the same point across using only the 3 scandinavian nations.
Scandinavia includes different countries depending on who you ask. The minimum is Sweden and Norway. Most also include Denmark. And in some contexts Finland and Iceland are also included.
@@BaldurNorddahl Finland and Iceland are not in Scandinavia. The only context would be "historical" as both nations belonged, for a time being, to the Kalmar Union (Nor-Swe-Den). Iceland has linguistic ties while Finland has not.
It is a common mistake to use the name Scandinavia (which is about a mountain ridge) when you mean the Nordics or Nordic countries that share a common historical, cultural and in many ways legal area and pretty much similar market. It doesn't make any sense to leave out Finland from this video.
It all depends on where the electricity comes from. Here in Belgium, most electricity comes from burning gas and our old nuclear reactors will soon be shut down without replacement. In such an environment, electric cars don't make that much sense, and pushing them with tax breaks are a waste of government money.
Not correct. When regulators see that people want clean energy vehicles charged from sustainable generation, they will have to organize that. From large central battery systems to V to G to SMNR, new clean gen will arrive, and vehicles should be ready.
Not correct: 1) And EV run from Coal, it reduces the CO2 footprint by 50%, from gasoline. 2) Germany whent from about 10% renewable in 2010, to 55% (first 6 mounts) in 2020. And this development is happening slower, but in most EU country now. In Norway one EV 35g CO2 and a gasoline car 205g. On EU energy mix 129g, but this is falling fast.
It was proven that even if you charge in countries with energy mostly produced by fossils liste australia for example, it's still better to get the EV. This is only from a CO2 perspective, obviously the air pollution produced by an combustion engine in the middle of a city is a major issue in terms of citizen health, while you can produce energy with fossils while at least keeping the pollution further away from humans. As energy storage solutions become cheaper and solar is getting cheaper too, we will see a rapid increase in renewables and guess what, your EV will still drive in 2-3 years and with the energy mix getting better and better your car will actually be better for the environment in a couple of years, while a gas car would still pollute the air and the environment just as much in 3 years. I agree that we should rather invest more money into pushing for more renewable energy, but I don't think we aren't able to do both at the same time, and as I said as the energy mix gets better, so does the EV. As mentioned by the other guy, just in the last 10 years germany managed to get their shares of renewables from only ~15% up to more than 50% in 2020, and this was with a conservative Party (CDU) leading the country. The change was pushed by society, and the green party in Germany is gaining popularity a lot as old people with little interest in the future of the planet are dieing while the next generation is turning 18 and is allowed to vote, thus putting more pressure on those legacy partys to make change happen. I assume 70-80% clean energy is possible in germany until 2030, possibly even more and Europe as a whole might just hit 40-50%
electrical power plants are much more efficient than car combustion engines. And Electrical Engines are also really efficient. So you still save CO2 with a bad energy mix.
@@rdmz135 I'm sorry, but I think their goal is profit. 25k cars will make volume but probably not profit. Tesla cannot make profit with their current cars except by means of selling the EV credits to other car makers.
I think it will go over well. Even weather people like smaller, cheaper cars as commuters. You'd be surprised how many people don't actually care about the status symbol of their higher priced model 3 and just buy it because they see it as the only option
In baltics the avg monthly wage is 1100 euros. And a standard tesla model 3 costs FROM 46 215 eur. Also our country has no subsidies on electric vehicles so good luck
Don't forget lack of charging infrastructure. Tesla's superchargers in baltic countries have been marked on map as "opening soon" for at least 5 years now. If I travel from Tallinn in a Tesla, nearest supercharger would be in Poland 1000km away. Charging stations from other companies have been appearing lately, but still nowhere near enough to make EVs more than expensive toys for driving in city.
EV market penetration is tiny at the moment but growing fast. Still in the early adopter stage due to price but will be mainstream in the next few years as it goes down. Sure most people might not have an EV for another decade but the metric we're looking at should be new car purchases, not total ownership.
It's around 70% in these counties. But in Australia where you need to sell 5,000 ice cars to sell 1 EV. And there's nothing tax-wise etc. It's easier to sell an ev in these countries
There is a big difference between Danmark and Norway compared to Sweden. Sweden does not have the crazy high tax to start with on normal petrol vehicles. This makes subsidies less effective for electrical vehicles. It’s almost impossible to own a decent vehicle in Denmark or Norway, which is absolutely crazy. Almost everyone owns a Audi A6, BMW 5-Series or Volvo XC60/90 in the suburbs around Stockholm. These cars are almost considered luxury in the neighbor countries.
Strange, i like the VW Id3 more than the Tesla 3. I might be in a minority but for me a hatchback is a must. I also dislike the Tesla’s interior upholstery and general plastic look. Even worse the Renault Zoe look positively like a luxury gem compared to the Tesla 3
I honestly do think the Zoe is a neat small EV that is no slouch on range (400 km WTLP, in practice 20 % less as with any EV). It's not bad for the price. It is among the cheapest VWs What I dislike about VW is that while Renault were developing, seriously, the future small EV, VW were still cheating with their SW in dieselcars. I will pass on the VW solely on the grounds of that. I too like the ID3 tbh, it does look like a nice attempt. But VW cheated to fool the public into believing diesels were safe for public health, and should have had consequences (since it had next to no legal consequences for them in Europe).
Interesting insights into wholly different economies. So often when we in the States talk about economic systems it is without understanding... myself included.
@Nathan Waitinas Be happy 😆 Scandinavia is the place in the world where buying luxury cars or frankly cars of any good quality is more expensive and it’s mostly down to just fees and heavy taxes on new vehicles. Thats why its a really big second hand market here. Which is actually good reuse is always good i think, but sometimes you want a new car and then you have to shell out a lot more than the car is actually worth on the free market, and that is a hard to accept for many. But not much to do about because most political parties here agree to tax those commodities very high.
@@luffirton I mean most of us want those taxes, I don't really feel like subsidizing the purchase of new cars for other people when I don't even drive myself. I'd be a lot happier if we had higher taxes and put that money into expanding and lowering the price of public transit.
When tesla get their 25 k car, it Will be sold like crazy in scandanavia. I Mean it would likely cost 32-35 k in denmark but that is still the cheapest Electric cars out.
The believe that geographical/infrastructure differences also come to play a huge role here. Assuming a majority of trips for Danes actually stay within the boarder of Denmark range become much less of a problem than e.g. Sweden. This gives other brands with shorter max range and lower price an competitive edge.
Norweigans buy Teslas because they are rich and because they feel guilty about their oil production. Swedes and Danes will buy Teslas once you have model 3s made in Giga Berlin costing Eur 30-35K (its currently 50% higher than that).
No oil guilt here. You are aware that the tarmac you drive or use your bicycle on is made of oil, yes? The plastic inside the Tesla is made of... you guessed right, oil. The question is how to use less of it and get it without too much pollution and release of greenhouse gasses. From 2025 it's not allowed to sell fossil cars in Norway, so it just makes sense to buy electric as long as the incentives are there.
@@ritz5606 It will still be allowed to sell new ICE cars in Norway after 2025. The EØS-agreement makes it very hard to make it illegal to sell them. But the taxation will be so high compared to an EV, hardly any one will buy ICE cars.
@@eivmel Technically you are right, but inside EU the most eager countries wishes it welcome, and I am pretty sure EU will adapt to a more progressive line within 2025. Will will have to wait and see. Until then the taxation will take care of it in Norway. Myself I'm driving my Leaf with great pleasure )
For me the problem is the price for charching. A home charcher is too expensive. Well a Tesla too but that can be said for All BEVs. Take a Opel Mokka, nice small car with a price of 300.000 DKR. A simular gas version Will be 150.000 DKR so half price.
I would say that Swedes too have gone towards saying Volvo Villa Vovve (in Swedish) ironcally nowadays. The 2020/2021 update is probably Tesla Villa Vovve or BMW/Audi Villa Vovve.
Oliver, you framed the problem as Tesla's. It isn't. Not really. Tesla can ship cars where it makes the most sense to ship them. Demand worldwide far exceeds supply. If demand in Denmark, Sweden and Norway falters, they ship somewhere else. They can sell what they make. Countries with strong incentives are naturally countries where demand is strengthened. Reduced incentives shifts demand downward. But the world isn't following any unified trend. There always seem to be countries where Tesla can sell cars. But Tesla does acknowledge that its prices are too high, and they do want to reduce them. They've had that goal from the start of the company. And they are starting to get traction on their desire to lower prices. Progress has been slow, but it will continue. Tesla now has a plan to produce a $25K car (US price) by 2023. That might slip by a year or two, but a budget compact is coming - and it won't be a city car with limited range or utility. This car will have all of the features found in more expensive models. We can expect less performance, less cargo capacity, etc. But the range, efficiency (cost per mile), safety, connectivity and path to autonomy will be good. At least, that's Tesla's intention. Roadrunner will enable price reductions across the entire product line. Batteries will be cheaper, weight will be reduced, efficiency will be increased again, ranges will be better. The full impact of Roadrunner is still a few years out, but it's coming. In short, Tesla is doing what they can to make their cars better and more affordable. But Tesla can't control the regulatory or tax regimes. All they can do is ship where there is demand. Another point: Tesla's BEV competitors are mostly offering BEVs at higher price points than Tesla for cars that offer less value. VW is the exception! But I don't think Tesla is worried about losing demand to VW. At this point, production is the constraint for both companies, not demand. Changing the subject: Volvo is, of course, popular in Sweden. Yep! But Volvo doesn't offer any electric vehicles through its dealerships. Polestar is a separate brand, and it is manufactured in China, not Sweden. How will Swedes regard Polestar? I don't know. But I do know that Model 3 has a price/value ratio that is more than a match for Polestar's offerings.
I think you either did not watch the video in its entirety or you missed pretty much all of my points. As the points you make is the exact same I make in my video.
Except for a few things where you mention the value for money which I also addressed in the video. I disagree that value for money is the most vital factor as you can see in the video. People will not buy a product they do not have the means for, it's that simple. And regarding Volvo, they do have an electric vehicle, which is also shown in the video. It's the Volvo XC40 Recharge.
@@OBFYT I watched it to the end. I raised points you did not address - such as Tesla's plans for making its product offerings more affordable. You did frame the problem as Tesla's. I say again, Tesla doesn't have a problem with demand. They can ship to where demand is. If demand dries up in Denmark, Sweden and Norway, that's a problem for those countries' ambitions to adopt BEVs, but it is not a problem for Tesla. You mentioned Sweden's love for Volvo, but did not mention that Volvo sells no BEVs through its dealerships, nor that Polestar, to whom Volvo is connected, doesn't manufacture any cars in Sweden. Why so defensive? This is just a conversation, each contributing points of interest, to be digested and appreciated.
@@OBFYT I do not argue that the price/value ratio is all-important. Initial price remains vital to uptake among consumers. The XC40 isn't a purpose-built BEV, is it? It's a modified ICEV. I suppose technically it *is* a BEV, but it offers few of the advantages of a BEV designed from the ground up. I tend not to give such cars much notice. That's a bias, I suppose.
It's considerate that you leave such long comments and replies on my videos, and I appreciate that. But I must say it is clear you missed my points completely. I did mention Tesla's plans to make more affordable vehicles. And yes I framed the problem as being Tesla's, but also their competitors. And I also framed it as being their Scandinavia problem, not their international problem? I know Tesla has demand elsewhere, that is not the point. The point is if regulators remove or change subsidies in Scandinavia then Tesla AND their competitors will lose demand, that is the premise, that was the point, and that was what you missed. Swedes love Volvo's, no doubt, that is objectively a fact. You somehow missed my mentioning of the Volvo XC40 Recharge in my previous comment, so I will mention it again. Volvo has an electric car under their own brand, The Volvo XC40 Recharge. And now to your comment on me being defensive. I put so much time and effort into these videos, and this video was really interesting and fun to make. So when people misinterpret my points and/or completely miss the premise of the video, I want to take the time to clarify. And if I come off as defensive, then I apologize but I value my work just as much as I value Constructive Criticism. Although I find it annoying when people comment on a point that I did not make.
The thing that a lot of people don't realize is that although Scandinavia and all the Nordic countries in general are some of the most highest income countries they are also the ones with some of the highest taxes especially when it comes to luxury goods. They all have at least 24% VAT on everything on top of whatever import and additional tax is added which ends up accumulating into at least 8% of each countries entire GDP every year. While the income is more standardized and a bit higher than other countries a lot of it is taxed or used up with living expenses which are also higher than most countries with all Nordic countries being in the top 20 most expensive countries to live in. All this leaves not as much as you'd think for luxury spending. Taxes aren't seen as a bad thing here as it means we're almost always safe and don't have to worry should an emergency happen. Our schools, hospitals, public spaces and roads are always being maintained and improved by those same taxes allowing almost everyone to live and average life or at least start on the same line and if that's the case a few taxes don't matter all the much.
@@SuperDirk1965 you obviously arent into cars, we car enthousiast dont just see cars as transportation, we see them as fast mechanical pieces of art with great heritage, we buy them for their looks, heritage, performance and driving experience. That couple of days we get to use all performance at a track event, car showor even using the german autobahn makes all dayswe cant use them perfectly. Also denmark has lots and lots of b roads with little obstructions and traffic that can give great driving experience. But you probably will never get that.also performance cars influence the entire car market as all tech they can afford to create and use will eventually make it to cheap economie cars. So the onky reason normal cars are this good is because of performance oriented car brands such as Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren,Lamborghini, Buggati and even the swedish brand Koenigsegg
@@the911collection I am into cars. I'm just not seeing them as more as what they are. They're transportation devices. Nothing more nothing less. I'm a qualified mechanic, have been for over 30 years.
Very informative and interesting video! The main issue with Tesla (with most EV's in general) can be summarized in one word: Price. Like you said, they are simply too expensive for the average person. I don't care how little they cost to maintain or how you don't have to fuel up the car with petrol or diesel, the price to purchase is too high for most people. Greetings from Sweden!
The average new car price in USA is now $47,000 and a used car is $30,000. The price of a car *at all* is getting out of the range of affordability for most people.
Tesla has no problem with the demand for their cars, it's much higher then what they can produce. Scandinavia is a tiny market. We Scandinavians have to realize that our impact is smaller than we think. I'm buying a Cybertruck, but I actually care more about Tesla sales in the big countries than here, since that will have a much larger impact. If the people here are irrationally buying inferior Polestar EV's instead of Tesla's, then I don't care that much since they're EV's anyway. *Any EV* is better than a gas car.
This has absolutly no basis in facts. Norway has about 5% of all bought teslas. And thats not counting Sweden and Denmark (Didnt look up their statistics, but we can assume they together are another 5%) Ignoring selling to scandinavia would thus cause them to lose 10% of their revenue, accounting for about 2.1 billion dollars less, yearly. Futhermore, given 53% of all teslas are sold in the US (2019), JUST Norway, is about 10% of the cars sold outside the US, and scandinavia a total of 20%
I don't understand why they put the Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin. The environment is so important to them that they build an EV factory... in the middle of a forest that has to be cut down to make room for said factory. Why not build it near Hamburg? Instead of being a landlocked city, Hamburg features the second largest port in Europe, and since overland transport is way more expensive than using ships, cutting down that overland distance should be significant. Hamburg and its surroundings are mostly flat and not forested, but rather agricultural land, so maybe you could even avoid cutting down part of a forest near a major metro area.
A somewhat similar situation here in the Netherlands, although it is slightly better than in Scandinavia, because it is a carbon tax that makes EVs attractive for private owners, less subsidies. All there is on the subsidy side is a €4,000 subsidy for EVs under €45,000, as a long as the money that is reserved for it lasts. The tax incentives are better for corporate owned cars, so most Teslas here are lease cars. This carbon tax has brackets, like income tax. So it is €1 per g CO2/km for the first 86g CO2/km, but €432 per g CO2/km for everything above 172g CO2/km. The result of this is that the price of a car explodes when you get a bigger engine. E.g. the BMW 3-series starts at €43,377, but for the M3 the starting price is €124,376. That makes the choice between an M3 and a Tesla Model 3 Performance pretty easy... So the EV option is extremely attractive for sporty luxury cars like Tesla makes now, but less for 'normal' cars, which have much lower carbon tax and where the cost of the battery is a much larger percentage of the price. This does mean that Tesla and EVs in general have the image problem that they are seen as a susidised toys for rich people, while 'normal' people have to pay the full amount for their Renault Clio of VW Polo. In the densely populated Netherlands Tesla also loses its supercharger network advantage over other EV brands. Local utilities are building fast chargers everywhere.
@4:53 The barrier is not MUCH lower but slightly lower. Looking at the two vehicles side by side, the value proposition is MUCH higher on the Tesla side.
I will. Still figuring everything out didn't expect to get so many views on my videos this early. But thank you for giving me constructive criticism it will only help me make them better.
Interesting video, thanks. i wish more Americans understood the climate issue better. I admire the Scandinavians for taking the lead on this issue. Not only are Scandinavians ahead on this front they also lead the way in terms of balance between business, government & social responsibility.
@@paulmcgreevy3011 Fortunately folks like yourself are not winning the argument. There are enough intelligent people recognizing reality and making changes. Change can be scary but sometimes it is needed.
Batteries die in the cold...my work has fully electric scissor lifts that last all day in normal conditions but if you use them in a meat freezer will only last 45 minutes untill fully drained
@@NoMoYOUsernames ty, this actually answered my question unlike some people that just compared the car to a scissor lift...I know there's way more technology in the car, my question was about battery life...ty
Battery life seems to be very good in Norway. There are a lot of EVs, and a lot of cold days. The lifespand of the batteries are much better then expected. The heat are worse for the batteries.
There should be no VAT on EVs instead like in Virginia, Tax should be charge on yearly bases on vehicles current value. By that the new buyer is not paying whole tax at purchase.
To be clear, what i think the danish should do; put identic taxes on all cars the more they pollute, the more taxes they get All cars must than pay for their cost to society. ICE cars will loose the subsidies they have today- be more expensive and their sales will decline👍🇳🇴
Yeah, so put a cost on pollution rather than the vehicles themselves? It could work in the long-term ownership of the vehicles. But it doesn't change the most vital factor, up-front cost, which is what matters most right now for electric vehicles as they are more expensive to manufacture.
@@OBFYT thats a good idea Put taxes on car based on how much they pollute, use some of this money to remove vat on zero emission veichles- that model have been effectful in Norway And tell the public: fuel taxes will rise by 10% a year going forward
Bjorn’s idea doesn’t’ the hold water, if you want to accelerate the transition to renewable energy and bring down the number of ICE car. The polluter pays argument isn’t really hardly enforced. And if you leave up to the auto industry they cheat.
@@SmalLevi74 There are a bunch of countries that have registration fees for the cars based on gram CO2/km. The Netherlands is really insane here, a Mercedes Diesel SUV costs like 40000€ registration fee. Many countries also start adjusting the yearly license plate fee to CO2/km, as well as adding a CO2 tax to every liter of fuel bought.
I guess it would depend on how those taxes impact the car’s final price. Here in Spain we have a 21% tax for all cars but what changes is the tax for adding your number plate, that depends on the emissions sticker of the car. ECO and 0 emissions stickers don’t pay that tax, but it’s not really a decisive factor over the final price. A progressive VAT would definitely work better to encourage electrification. That and a proper charging network of course.
Netherlands is a place where I can spot lots of Tesla around . I would like to know if they have the same numbers per inhabitants for ev as in Scandinavian countries
Volvo's electric car range / Polestar will be made in Chengdu, China. By Volvo's Chinese parent company Geely. So I suspect many Swedish buyers may move to Volkswagen. I don't think Geely plans to produce any long range electric vehicles in Sweden...😢😢
Oh but you're wrong, i live in Stockholm and recently i have seen so many polestars. Swedes still consider Volvo to be swedish and we remain loyal. A polestar is basically an electric Volvo and they have a big market in sweden.
@@akirathorson885 We have the same problem here. The new Landrover Defender. Will be made in Poland. Rather depressing. We need to start manufacturing electric vehicles at home...
Honestly, it's not fossil fuel cars that are the biggest problem; it's cars in general. Get your public transportation and cycling going and you'll see that you solve all problems easily.
and income tax brackets in Denmark are 50, 60, and 70%. Make $100K in Denmark? Take home = $30K, LESS 21% (VAT) sales tax and less all the other taxes.
My sister told me that on her recent trip to Sweden she saw a new car dealership with five cars for sale. This contrasts markedly with car dealerships in my community, each one having acres of new cars. And my community is just a small part of an obscure western state.
For those of you who don't know:
Scandinavia[b] (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.
I'm not from Europe & I previously thought the whole northernmost part of Europe was Scandinavia, including Finland
@@lzh4950 I thought so too but wikipedia says otherwise. It didnt help the finnish that sweden used to occupy them ie no Finland. Then again I come from Ireland and geography says we're part of the "British Isles" and the England used to occupy us as well (still hold a piece)
@@stephendoherty8291 A small part of Finland is part of the Scandinavian mountain range but our culture and ancestors are quite different which makes the difference. Most Scandinavians point to the mountain range as the thing that determines countries in "Scandinavia" but that would rule out the Danish. On the other hand going by culture and ancestors then Iceland should be a part of "Scandinavia". This leads to it being confusing even to Scandinavians themselves, especially when terms like Finno-Scandinavia etc. start flying around.
@@castor3020The correct term for the Scandinavian countries PLUS Finland, Iceland, Greenland and Faroe Islands is The Nordic Countries. And politically these contries are comparable and have very much the same goals about equality, welfare, etc. So discussing this issue in a Scandinavian context more than a Nordic context is probably more a question of keeping down duration, and not saying the same thing too many times.
I subscribed today after watching many videos
0% VAT on EV’s was just extended to 2023 in Norway
If you lose money and gain a car, what value was added? It seems like it's just a sales tax? I'm interested in how that works. We don't have VAT in the US
@@nathanfife2890 the VAT is technically paid by the producer. They add value to materials to create a car. The added value is taxed. This increases the price, so it is passed down to the consumer. I believe thats how it works, but im not quite sure
@@nathanfife2890 The tax is mostly passed on to the consumer, but the business will also obsorb some of it. this explains it well: ruclips.net/video/6ajIe-5fC4M/видео.html
@@nathanfife2890 You do have Sales Tax in some Stats. Yes just a Tax.
@@tieman3790 If the ICE car in US cots 50k, whit 0% Sales Tax. You must add 40*1.25=50K Then you need to add about 30K more in Norway and Denmark in other Taxes. Car price about 80K. Sales Tax are Peanuts. In NO and DK, a normal Salary is about 69K US.
Wow... didn't know "villa, Volvo, vovve" was a saying in Denmark as well!
I could smell this guy's Danish accent from a mile away
@@jens1567 I think he’s Swedish
@@robin212 because of Lund in his name?
@@Jokkkkke no, because he said vovve, not vovse
He says he's from Denmark like 30 times? Seen the video?
In Finland we have 3 issues with EV's price, range and winter. Here places are very far apart so we need lots of range and our cold winters don't help with that. My father in law who has an electric Kona gets asked stupid questions like will it start in the cold.
Same here in northern Sweden. Electric cars simply don’t have the range required in the winter yet.
@@fredrikvonaxelson The 2021 models many have extended range models that goes over 600km. That is already decent. Yeah, it still is pretty short in Lapland when you have only 10 major cities within 600km radius in three countries. Luckily the finnish western border is well developed regarding EV charging because the most popular winterholidaydestinations that pulls 50-100k people every week is there. Swedish Lapland is way less densely populated with EV chargingstations, i'm not sure how norwegian side is, propably better than sweden or finland.
@@SergeyPRKL isnt the range much lower in the cold because batteries dont like cold? Hope the car batteries dont act like phone batteries in the cold and completely run out of power suddenly and stop working 😂
you ^^ have Uf0 xD
But will it start in the cold tho
I live in the far northern Sweden, and I've seen more Teslas than i first anticipated. But they are not very common outside the urban areas. Meaning, Luleå (nicknamed the capital of the Norrbotten) as a small city with a population of around 80k, Teslas have become very common. But in the smaller cities, like Älvsbyn that's only 50minutes away from Luleå, Teslas become rare. And villages like Jokkmokk does not really have Teslas.
This is because distances, the huge need for reliability and the base need for a vehicle exponentially increases outside the more urban areas.
There are 250k people living in Norrbotten, but only about half live in cities. The rest need to drive long distances for common things like work, chopping and relatives.
Teslas are reliable in a mechanical sense, and even electrical. But the battery charging stations does not exist outside our garage (they do exist but they are few). In the winter, the battery capacity is suffering and the cars are not spacey enough for the common populous in Norrbotten.
Volvo V70 and XC70, is the by far most common car in Norrbotten. It starts in -30°C, survivable gas milage, good road clearance for the snow and terrain, strong enough engine, spacey, awesome safety (very very common with animals on the road here), every mechanic know everything about the cars, and so on...
So far, there are no real alternatives for the Volvo up here for the commoner outside the few cities. They are too cheap to buy, repair, service and drive with too many benefits and their reputation of a indestructible workhorse is too great.
I Älvsbyn kör alla EPA istället.
I was surprised how many Teslas I started seeing in my 8000 person town in the mountains of Colorado. I'm near a bigger city, which is part of why, but people do often go long distances to hike, bike or ski, and do many times need to go on a forest service road to get to a trailhead or home. (I used a Chevy Volt on many such roads, surprisingly effectively despite the low clearance, but if it didn't have a backup generator, I'd probably have felt wary about range.). The charging network is indeed a big thing for adoption outside the cities, and needs to be as ubiquitous as gasoline fueling stations for adoption to be practical in rural areas, especially cold places where getting stuck for long can be dangerous.
I haven’t seen a single Tesla in irl
Ps I live in Karesuando
Im so fucking poor holy shit, I drive my volvo from 2002
5:10 as an American, I too believe European cars are of higher quality and reliablity than American cars
There are plenty of shit cars made in Europe too.
Yeah bringing Tesla’s factories in Europe does not change the fact that people think that American cars are really shitty
American build quality might be inferior, but a Mustang motor is a lot more durable than any AMG
Americans and Europeans used to make good cars, but also utter unreliable garbage. Then the Japanese and Koreans came, and all had to up their game or go out of business. Yeah, i'm looking at you.. FIAT.
Quality - yes. But reliability definetely no. A lot of European cars are overengineered and quite often start to require expensive repairs in a couple of years after warranty period or even earlier. While American cars are usually simpler in design and more robust.
If a Telsa is too expensive for Danes imagine what it's like for the rest of Europe...
I’m not sure how out of reach the Tesla is, it seems perception is leading behavior, not facts. There are many cost savings to EVs. Also many Danes have less need for cars so they value it less.
A Tesla is like 90 - 100k USD in Denmark due to taxes.
@blacknester I love Croatia, a beautiful Slavic county.
Cars are much more expensive in Denmark than in the rest of Europe
@blacknester You don't pay any tax compared to the Scandinavian tax of 72%...
85% registration fee. I almost spilled my coffee all over myself.
85% is just the beginning. if the car is one more than $33 000 you pay 150% tax (which was lowered from 180% some year ago). and on top of that we pay 25% VAT.
So no wonder Tesla's are popular in Denmark.
No if they only had a real backseat suitable for 3 grownup children... oddly enough, VERY few cars have that.
@@MortenVindingSvendse This reminds me of what my dad says about a time from before my birth when India was socialist & protectionist, things had similar rates + 2 year waiting period for cars. Now we are sort of capitalists & we pay around 12-14% as registration fee + 18-28% GST. Anyways the Indian gov is pushing big time for EVs here too, so they might become relatively cheaper (Teslas will still be expensive, but other brands are becoming quite affordable like Tata Nexon at $20k while Tesla will be priced at $83k+ here)
Suddenly the $50.75 registration fee here in Texas seems quite reasonable.
@@pranavkumar1818 my father also told me about how the business world changed after we became capitalist.
No one has seen that level of shift ever.
Not the coffe!😭
As a Norwegian I am impressed that you know so much about our tax situation. And it was really a surprise that we are so different regarding implementation. But as it is a growing demand in the public to keep tax exempts, the politicians in Norway are looking at alternatives. And the most likely ( ; from a surveillance point the ultimate nightmare) and beloved by economists is road taxes.
What politician would not be happy with a new tax?
Already mumbling about that here in the States
Norway is like Canada (I live in Canada). We need very high taxes for our roads since we have very big countries with rough terrain, and we have a little population to pay for it. If we didn't have high taxes, Canada and Norway would become 3rd world countries after a decade
@@PG-3462 yeah no kidding, some roads can still be hot garbage in northern Norway even with our high taxes just due to prioritisation, it is very important
@@taily89 It's mostly a matter of population size. For example, when I go to the USA, they have very good roads, and that's because there are hundreds of millions of taxpayers to pay for it, while in Canada we only have a few million taxpayers... Winter is also very bad for roads, which isn't helping us to have good roads
"People in Sweden perceives American cars as poorly made" we do because they are ...
As someone who has a few American cars, you are not wrong, and Tesla is especially known to be poorly built
That's pretty interesting honestly. I always hear how Europeans think I their car brands are better but the moment they get brought to American they just cant compete with Americans and especially Japanese brands.
My family has owned a few cars and by far the worst car we owned was a Volvo. It was the worst financial mistake we ever did. It was used but so has every car where have owned. It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond.
We only buy Toyota now.
In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem.
This is why the best selling cars in America are always Japanese and American and never Europeans.
@@baronvonjo1929 As a norwegian who have owned plenty of cars I would like to tell you why we do Baron. The german cars for example have higher manufacturing and production cost because they use better materials and better educated labor than the americans. I hear you say we "think" they are better, and that when they get brought to America they just cant compete, in what way do you mean our cars can't compete?
I'm not anti electric cars but let me just use Tesla for an example. Teslas have PU leather seats (artificial leather) and tons of plastic inside of them and they have faults like doors that don't line up, that annoys any european (anyone for that matter). My Bmw x5 e45 has leather interior with carbon parts, that's the whole inside including the seats, dashboard and steering wheel. It has alcantara headlining etc.
"It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond."
"We only buy Toyota now."
Kind of contradicting, wouldn't you say?
When you say "can't compete" I think you misunderstand, we pay for comfort, that's why we indeed say european cars are better. Toyota has long living cheap cars, of course its more of a "bang for your buck", but it's also "plastic fantastic". We don't want that, plus that's not american, so what are you really intending to say?
If you mean can't compete money wise, it makes sense because our cars cost more, but we also make more money.
You also say "In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem." Of course we have problems with our cars too, no car has zero faults. But you can't really compare a 2015 Cadillac XTS to a 2005 Bmw 7-series if you know what I mean. It's not just our old cars that has problems. With more expensive cars comes more complex engines and more equipment, all which adds up to more problems when it gets older, we know our cars, that why we are prepared for problems, maybe you just are suprised it's not perfect?
In 2007 I bought a 2005 Chrysler 300C 5,7 Hemi 340 bhp, I've never had so much work done on a car ever. A lot of electrical issues and severe misfiring after only 30000 km. I'm not saying all American cars are shit, maybe I was unlucky you know. But I've owned 3 American cars, a corvette, a camaro and the 300c I just mentioned. All cars that needed a lot of work done, the camaro I even bought new. Not to say I haven't had issues with other europeans cars, but in my own experience I've had a lot less problems with the 3 Bmws I have owned, all of which I bought used (all between 30k km - 55k km old).
ruclips.net/video/JhdRv3KNHXA/видео.html
^A not so uncommon quote here in Europe, made by Matt LeBlanc.
@@krow4382 Well dang you've given me a lot to respond too.
So when I say they cant compete I mean just look at the sales and look how many European brands have tried to make a foothold in NA and the had to pull out. I'm referring to all European brands here.
And again in terms of competition even VW a main stream brand struggles to become as big of a player in our market because all European brands have earned a reputation for poor quality.
Though for some reason the luxury brands from Europe have this weird aura that makes people who cam afford them buy them and then get rid of th after a few years.
I'm not anti EV either so yeah I agree Tesla has quality issues and I wouldn't buy one.
Apologies for this but I meant across the pond as across the Atlantic to Europe. That's the way I've always heard it. Not across the Pacific to Asia. So no I wasn't trying to contradict myself there.
I dont really understand "comfort" from European cars that a Toyota or Lexus cant provide. My 4Runner is a base model yet has good plastics good build quality and leather and has all the comforts I want. And if I wanted even crazier comforts I could get a Lexus GX. Or just anything else.
I specifically buy Toyota because it isn't American as the American brands just cant compete.
I mean cant compete in terms of engineering and easy of living and the demands Americans want from a vehicle. Literally I love cars and look at them constantly and it's just astonishing how little European cars are around after 10 years. I'm serious they just fall apart and people get rid of them. I can go to a junk yard and just find a bunch of them together that are all relatively young.
I cant really speak for a Cadillac XTS. But so what if the cars are more expensive? Tell me why they have to be more complicated to fix? What possible benefit is it from a consumer stand point to have to deal with needless complication when the manufacturer could literally build it like a normal car?
For example BMW I hear how much plastic is used in their engines that will break down over time. This doesn't sound superior quality it sounds like cheaper materials to save in costs.
And why cant Europeans with facilities in America simply make good products here?
Let's take VW for example. You can see the presence they have in Europe. Peopel must love them. And I assume good quality.
Yet they camt bring that quality here and their reputation here shows it.
They are a mainstream brand so surely they dont need all that complex tech right?
Sorry to hear about your problems qi th your cars but I would have told you not to buy them to begin with.
If it ain't a Toyota, Honda, Acura, or Lexus I cant recomend it.
I'm sure there are many good cars from other brands out there. Seriously there must be.
But I dont got the bank account and mental will to worry about it breaking on me.
@@baronvonjo1929 Yeah that’s true, european brands have never gotten a good foothold in the states. And over the pond was meant ironic just because it’s not American :) But it makes sense, we all love out countries and regions ahah
in poland any car made after 2015/16 is considered "a luxury only millionaires can actually afford"
Oof, millionaires?
In Latvia almost any car made after 2012 is kind of a luxury
In Somalia any car made efter 1899 considered a luxury vehicle
Government: We'll give you huge breaks for buying electric.
People: Buy electric
Government: We're losing money. No more breaks.
Yes, and taking away this benefit, and go back to 120% tax on cars again, will be a political career subside. The gene is out off the bottle and can not be put back (just the adding of 250dollar in annually tax, from 2021, make a big cryout (a 10k increase, be not be survivable for most politician. "Greta" culture is strong here.
@@terjesorhaug143 Yup. I know it's not the same there, but here in the U.S. the "breaks" are causing problems. Similarly there is huge pushback against changes but they're going to happen eventually. The two big ones are
1. Electric cars don't use gas. Hybrids and efficient cars use a lot less gas. Gas tax pays for roads. Gas tax revenue is plummeting. Now the politicians want to tax mileage. Guess how many ways THAT is not popular.
2. Home solar doesn't just reduce costs. Utilities "buy" your excess solar power during the day and credit that against what you use at night. So people with home solar basically don't pay for electricity. It's costing the utilities more and more, but they still have to maintain all the plant and infrastructure. So they want to charge for just being connected to the grid. Also not popular.
Well, once EV sales have been kickstarted, those subsidies can be better used elsewhere.
Government: We'll give you huge breaks for buying electric.
People: Buy electric
Government: We're losing money. No more breaks.
People: Buy cars without brakes.
Government: We're losing even more money through healthcare now! No more healthcare.
People: Wake up and realize they're living in the USA.
You can't expect society to keep on subsidizing Tesla's profit margin. Now it's Tesla's turn to do something for society.
I can say that there's another problem with bev's, atleast here in Sweden. And that is charging stations, ev's usually can't go as far as petrol cars, and with how sparse charging stations are in rural Sweden it's a bit difficult to travel long distances with them.
In both Sweden and Finland that (long distances) plus the cold winters are two factors that will make it hard for EVs to become competetive. Most families need at least one long-range car, and so the dependence on petrol and diesel cars is hard to get away from.
It’s why I chose a gas car this time around honestly. I wouldn’t be able to charge the thing anywhere, and am too far away from anything for it to be helpful any time soon.
That being said I hope in 7 or so years it gets more reasonable, the availability on pumps can only expand
@@solkvist8668 yeah, my dads commute to work is over 2 hours long, from Stockholm to Finspång, and he got a Volvo V60 T8. Which is a hybrid.
He just doesn't trust that EVs will reliably make it, atleast after a few years of use. There are also almost no charging stations along that commute...
@@ihak707 I can tell you that there's no problem in driving a Standard Range Tesla between Stockholm and Åre for example. And then it's -5 to -20 degrees outside.
@@donnerstal well I can tell you that our family friends won't go to our house in Vemdalen in a long range model x because the charging stations are just placed in a way that they'd have to go the long way round
I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's a big deal and you kinda have to plan your trip by where there are charging stations, which is a big inconvenience
Greetings from Sweden! This explanation is right on the point.
The price of a Tesla m3 is about 100,000kr too high to hit mainstream market.
If the Berlin factory can produce high quality m3 with the new battery it might be the sweet spot for us Scandinavians...(and a m3 estate please !!)
Yes and in Norway a Model 3 do cost 399kkr and a Volvo S60 cost 570KKR. Here you need to be mad, not to buy an EV. All EV prices will fall much, fast.
No estate for you buy a volvo or saab. 😀
Tesla can't do cheap cars as they are probably kidding money on each sale now
Maybe this will be the aim of the cheaper Tesla coming out? I can definitely see it being built and sold in EU and China first.
@@anydaynow01 build quality on that is gonna be dogshit lmao
For being a brand perceived as premium, tesla has loads of annoying faults. Really takes a hit on the feel of quality.
Yeah there no where near premium on some points
if its too expensive for you guys than imagine how expensive it it for people living in east europe or balkans.
Im curious though, have you seen teslas or any ev in that region?
@@cryisfree510 I saw some Renault Zoe
@@cryisfree510 yeah I have seen multiple teslas in Greece, as well as the volvo electric Suv and a few bmw i8
Man in serbia average salary is 350e-400e i saw tesla only once and that was some tourist i bet you can count teslas in serbia on your both hands fingers
@@cryisfree510 i saw teslas maybe 3 times in Zagreb.
Hmm... transportation fees are not the reason for Tesla to build factories in Europe - tariffs are. The import of tariff for cars manufactured in the US is 10%.
Also you need to 'slightly' alter the design when exporting, bit different regulations.
Wrong.
"I can, as a dane, confirm they are different"
*brings up the Peace Treaty of Roskilde 1658*
Oh no! what the danes done to you may.
Thank you for this informative video. I'm from Brazil, and in 2018 I saved enough money to go the
largest Auto Expo in Latin America, the São Paulo International Motor Show. After years of watching RUclips
videos about the Renault Zoe, I finally had the opportunity to see it, to go inside it, to touch it...
It was like a dream come true. I didn't get to drive it, but that's okay. It was a good feeling to taste
the future that won't happen here for at least the next 10 or 15 years, possibly more.
It is always a pleasure to see that some part of the world is doing something to at least try to resolve
some part of the environmental crisis we're in.
Maybe I'll succeed someday in saving enough money to visit Scandinavia, Mr. Bahl, and see, with my own
eyes, what you guys have accomplished so far.
Keep leading in the right direction, Scandinavia. The rest of the world is watching and waiting
for more of your success stories.
You can easily say that it'll take at least 50 years before we have infrastructure in Brazil for these Duracell cars
@@NoMoYOUsernames I sincerely doubt that. Question isn't the price of the vehicle. Question is that the roads aren't made for these cars. They won't last a year on these roads. Question is the electric infrastructure. We have constant blackouts even now when we don't need to charge the vehicles. Also electricity is expensive here. Third is that what do you use these cars for? Going to supermarket? Because there is no way you can get anywhere further with these cars. The overall infrastructure in Brazil isn't made to make your life easier. It's very basic and maintenance is non existent. Before we can even dream of having huge amounts of these Duracell cars we need to improve the infrastructure about 500%
@@NoMoYOUsernames you have the electricity price all wrong. There is missing taxes and other fees. I'd say that 1kWh would be something like 3,5 reais.
Also what do you know of our terrain? If normal cars won't last how would Duracell cars last.
@@NoMoYOUsernames colombian here. I think the Brazilian guy has a point. Driving through the andes mountains with altitudes of 3000m above the sea level and down and back up gain in a 100km distance makes me think that the need for petrol trucks and cars to properly distribute stuff throughout the country will be longer than 10yrs. Maybe not 50. The infrastructure grid not only on roads but electric is great as is the generation. Furthermore, the current methods of electric generation may not be as green as has been suggested and nuclear may be a better alternative. Which will also take more time and higher investments on infrastructure.
@@karibordi2082 Electric cars and infrastructure is not going to be the answer in every part of the world, It makes sense in Europe, Asia, Australia, USA, Canada, UK but in other parts it will be other technologies that will be the driving force. Hybrid ICE Cars (Cars that drive part Electric part gasoline) Hydrogen Cars, Bio Fuel driven cars. Electric is not the only technology that can help in reducing carbon emissions. Its going to need to be adopted to what is most practical in a specific region and environment and that can happen sooner rather then later, but it is much up to the governments to make it cheaper than other options, give tax breaks and remove burdens on companies when building out infrastructure, its a collaboration effort between private and public sector. Some infrastructure must be in place and it mist be cheaper before people will buy into it. It can happen and frankly it must happen in some form to reduce emissions and it needs to start long before 2050. Change takes time and therefore it must start long before the goals that are set.
Great channel. As a Swede living in the US since many many years it’s nice to find someone who has a good grasp of the American society hence the ability to compare to the Scandinavian societies. Subscribed.
What do you mean?
One of the big problems is the down-payment required when doing a private lease in Sweden. When I bought my Model X almost 2 years ago, the lease company recommended by Tesla - DNB - demanded I cough up 30% instead fo 20% up front. Not many people have 350,000:- lying around, and if they do, they often have other plans for it. So not a good scenario. I think a lot of Teslas in Sweden are purchased via whichever employer they have (some offer this as a tax perk - you pay the monthly lease gross from your salary). Others have them as company cars. After owning the car for 6 months, you get 60,000:- back from the governing body responsible for transport. Nice, but it still doesn’t offset the initial huuuuge cost. Interestingly, a company lease requires no down-payment. Then of course there’s the insurance costs... I’m in my 50s, zarro claims, and my insurance is a whopping 13,000:- each year. So, the issues are - the initial lease outlay, the insurance, and the MOMS (VAT) at 25%. And of course the consideration for charging the car - many people live in apartments - superchargers are not common enough, other EV charging companies need to get together and have a common method for accounting costs - because right now it’s insanely complicated, and most car parks - even in the cities, do not have public chargers. So if you can’t charge your car where you live, you are less likely to buy one.
I'm Swedish and my grandfather was Icelandic. My wife is Same Finish. My neighbor is Norwegian and my youngest sisters husband is Danish.
-I like to run my car on Icelandic Vulcanol.
its good stuff
Ztoritz Z: You are practically the the United Nations in that family!!!
That's great!
How do you get that fuel? I have never seen it around Stockholm, I only know Koenigsegg talks about it.... you don't happened to ....?
"important for the perception of the build quality" .. buddy, have you ever seen or been in a tesla? While teslas are the better EVs they are shit built cars. They do not need to improve the perception, the need to improve the actual build quality. Having a service network that make it any kind of possible getting spare parts are also a huge hurdle.
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Perception is everything, as every politician is well aware.
Tesla is only 10 years old. They are still learning how to manufacture cars in large volume. VW, Toyota, GM make 10 million cars a year (each of them). They have been mass- manufacturing for many decades and know how to do this. Tesla almost managed to make 500,000 cars in 2020 and naive investors took it as a major achievement.
But Tesla did show that there is money to be made in selling expensive, short-range vehicles and the big boys re-tooled production lines and will soon be delivering as many EVs as buyers want to buy.
Selling spare parts to the public would cut into their profit. Tesla is not a car builder, it's a means of generating profit. They go to extreme lengths to shake cash out of the pocket of their clients.
There is a big difference in quality between Tesla in North America and here in Europe. For the S & X, only gliders are imported from the US and final assembly is done in Tilburg, NL where a lot of issues get corrected. There is also better QA on the europe-bound cars, I've picked up over a dozen Model S and Model 3, some for a friend who has a rental company and one for myself with only minor issues, less serious than I've seen with other brands like BMW. You can bet with my own Model 3 I went over every millimetre and I found no issues bar a paint drip in a non-visible area on the bottom of a rear door. It was also a year after launch before the first Model 3 came to europe and a lot of the production/QA issues were resolved by then.
I've seen far more issues on North American Teslas, and I also wouldn't by a first-year production car from any brand.
@@rok1475 The biggest issue there is with what batteries? None of the OEMs bar Tesla have enough supply to even meet current demand. Geely/Volvo has a shot if Northvolt gets off the ground... but they have no factory built yet and the mines in the area to supply the Northvolt factory are also still in the planning stages.
A lot of Swedish EVs ended up in Norway. They were heavily subsidized in Sweden so Swedes bought them, drove them for a while and then sold them to Norwegians.
And I think the Danes still remember the Ellert, that's why they don't like EV's. 😉😁
Actually after the new rules from three years ago decreased that problem substantially.
Even in finland volvo is high quality car and volvos keep their value quite well is because it is nordic car even tho we know it is swedish but we can set that aside with cars
I't nice to know that the car will start in -25. Politeful volvos.
@@emrikronsten an EV doesn’t need to “start” though 😊
@@niXta123 I know but they are out of my budget for at least 10 more years :) Volvos are from $500 and spare parts are dirt cheap.
@@emrikronsten
Yea, if your budget is $500 and your time is free, you can’t go wrong that way, economy wise.
In belgium people prefer the audi, bmw, mercedes and Volkswagen. Volvo is not that popular here
If they want to see Tesla above Volvo do something with the design.... this is also a key thing about Volvo! Interiors are made with passion and a feel, tesla is a slap of a display with a horrible looking interior, and the exterior hasn't improved but gotten worse
That's what I was thinking. I'm also not the biggest fan of the exterior design. Volvo looks way better imo. This futuristic stuff isn't doing it for me. The same goes with other brands like VW.
@@fnnpc746 jep. There is no passion in it at all.
@@Conceptcreator tesla is just 10 years ahead in design :) volvo will get there
@@pyrokugleis haha no they are not
@@Conceptcreator ok you are right volvo wont get there :)
To be fair to Swedes the perceived difference in quality between a Volvo and a Tesla is firmly based in reality. If I park my Model 3 next to a V60 it looks like it has been assembled by children using nothing but hammers.
You're either exaggerating ridiculously or have no idea what you speak about.
Lol! A bit of an overexaggeration but I like the analogy! Yes the Tesla is not known for high quality but for innovation and ability to grow as a company by minimizing procedures and getting to the bottom line.
The newer Volvos actually look amazing. They are getting crazy expensive though
@@lengould9262 I think you should test one out it’s lovely but the build quality is terrible
@@sinphus Perhaps some people don't care about only panel gaps?
An interesting take on EVs and Tesla in particular in Scandinavia. Thanks.
I do not agree here: 1) To 23 0% VAT 2) Tesla has 30% of all car sale in Norway 3) Volvo is Chinese 4) 4860 battery price falling. After 23, will a EV cost 20% less, and VAT will only make it 0% difference again 5) This Winter EV production price will fall below ICE p-price 6 ) Denmark removed all support, from one day to the next 7) We have a big second hand marked, a used Model S for 70% discount 8) Strong support in Norway 9) Super strong and available Charging 10) Cost of buying is one thing, the operating cost, is significantly lower 11) In NO and SE the electrick power price is about 6 to 8 EuroCent pr KwH (or 15 to 20% off gassoline).
In Denmark you have bicycles. You can always buy electric bicycles :-)
True but if you want to go further than where a Ristet med det hele can take you, then with public transit being really bad value and unreliable and the matter of the industry here, getting around greenly is still rather hard.
@@drdewott9154 rent a car. I do not see the sense to own the car now.
I leave my city just several times a year mostly using train or blablacar.
If you travel every weekend it makes sense to buy a car.
@@2mek99 owning a car is pretty much a must if you don't live in CPH. Here in Jutland the public transportation is horrible, especially if you are outside of Aalborg or Aarhus. While a bike and public transportation can get you many places (often super delayed and really slowly), it just isn't viable as the only form of transportation for most people outside of those cities
@@dackzy404 What are you talking about, I have lived in Jutland my entire life and don't have a drivers license, I've been able to get basically everywhere I need with my bike and public transport. It's not to say that the public transport is amazing and it really needs to be expanded but it is sufficient, though most of the time the bike is faster.
@@dackzy404 Denmark is utterly flat, gets hardly any snow and is a tiny country - according to google maps you can bike it north-south in 20h. You can get a trailer for carrying stuff, and an electric bike if you find it too tiring. Why on Earth wouldn't you take the bike?!
Great video, although I'd take a few other things in consideration as well. Even compared to Germany, the charging infrastructure is pretty poor in Danmark. The big gap between conservative rual areas, like most of Jylland, compared to Copenhagen us also important. In Copenhagen, many don't need cars because of the excellent public transport and cycling network, so people who would consider EVs don't need cars at all.
In Germany, the border region with Danmark in particular, cars are needed to get around and becoming green is important to many. So EVs are popular for German standards, many villages and towns already invested in solar and wind energy, so they have money and are open to EVs, charging infrastructure exists.
Poor no, expensive yes. www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ Yes it is not so many that in Norway and Sweden. But Denmark is a small, flat, and 99% snow/ice free Century, so they do not need so many charger`s (and there is a great culture difference, when the Dane`s as everything very close by there home, in most cases (5 to 15min will cover most needs), in Norway, you have maybe 400km to public office`s and specialized services, i f you live outside the mayor city's eras.
@@terjesorhaug143 Your very right, I'm comparing two very similar parts of Denmark and Germany, the border region I'm quite familiar with. There aren't many differences between amount and distance of services, but EVs are a lot more popular in the German part. I'd guess due to the popularity of renewable energy, so people are more open about EVs.
I choked on my coffee when you said 150% VAT
150% registration fee... there is still a 25% VAT on top of the price of the automobile.
Just guess one of the reasons why you do not see american cars, especially pickups in Denmark.
@@nielsdebakker3283 Saw a 2020 Dodge Ram 1500 near Odense the other day... So SOME U.S. pickups are out there. Not a lot though.
@@danishghostrider Same here in Finland, but not many! Paying ~€100 000 for a pickup truck is not very appealing
@@Speed_7545 Technically we do have lots of pickup trucks, the ones based on vans (Citröen Jumper, Fiat Ducato, Ford Transit etc.)
10:00 comparing averages is not the best way to make this point. The influence of high-earners and high-net worth individuals skews what regular people are actually able to do. You should be comparing median values. This will tell you what half of the citizens are capable of, rather than what half of the money is capable of.
4:29 The Id.4 has better ride comfort(better suspension+dampeners and better sound insulation). Telsa treats their customers worse than VW.
I’ve never had VW come home to me when I wasn’t home and repair my car.
Im sure they’d laugh if I suggested it. I’m glad I goat a Tesla instead.
Hehe, I think you will get very mixed experiences on that. I will never go back to VW after all the trouble I have had with my transporter work van and my 2016 passat. Recalls, waiting for months to get an appoinment, messing the car up even more at the shop etc.. With Tesla, so far, It has been a breeze! Get a loaner straight away, fix the car over the air, comes home to you, easy to get a hold of through the app etc..
Finland and Iceland would like to have a word with you.
You mean the countries that are Not part of Scandinavia?
@@OBFYT Yes, those ones ... our northern brethren, widely regarded as scandinavian.
@@klauskaan6320 They may be widely regarded as scandinavian - that just doesn't make it true - they are Nordic countries.
As a Finn I totally expected that Finland would be in this video but when I heard Oliver was from Denmark I knew it was just real Scandinavia in this video.
Most of these Scandi videos that I watch come from people outside of Scandinavia or Nordics so they just lump us all together.
Scandinavia (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The majority national languages of these three belong to the Scandinavian dialect continuum, and are mutually intelligible North Germanic languages.
The world: Tesla's are so expensive
Romanians: What is that Tesla?
Pretty much the entirety of eastern europe
Esti roman or you chat shit
Well, soon will be EV Duster from Dacia , or was it Sandero.. So why you need tesla ? :)
It is funny, cus as a Norwegian waching this i was thinking "wow i did not realise teslas where that cheap"
@@Equix586 nordic moment
Tesla is a luxury brand, hence the price. It's like saying here's Rolls Royce's problem in South America: they failed to build a model that the middle class can afford.
Diffrence is there are hundreds of clocks and therefore this specific brand stands out. As of now the ev tech is still not the most wildly used. It doesnt make sense to convince people to buy a luxurious brand of something people hasent still opened eyes for. Idk my opinion
Luxury? Mate. Tesla is at Citroen's level maximum.
You want luxury? Buy an S class. A lexus. A 7 series. Even a fucking bmw 3 series is better in every way.
@@gui18bif The newer models arent as bad as the old ones. The interior may be simple but its not "cheap" and their infotainment system is easily one of the best. Their build quality is still pretty bad, but it has improved a lot. The biggest flaw they have is probably their chassis, which is utter garbage.
Overall they lack, but in the EV market they definetly are a luxury brand.
Sure it is, the problem is that if Tesla stays a luxury brand they will go bankrupt. Currently due to a bubble they're the highest valued car company in the world, if they do not address that and actually reach the kind of market share that this valuation should equate to the bubble will collapse and when an investor bubble collapses the value will fall down way below what it started at. You can call it a luxury brand as much as you want but that doesn't negate the inherent economics at play here that Tesla needs to appeal to the average driver in order to stay afloat. Luxury car brands rarely stay independent and are never that successful, there's a reason why Volkswagen is the true number one in the car making business, luxury cars are simply a too limited market to keep a company competitive in the car market and that's why they usually are brought up by the large manufacturers who them make it and turned into a flagship.
Not exploiting a promising market simply because you're a "luxury brand" is just stupid.
It’ll come. Electric cars are ridiculously easy to produce. They’ll become cheaper, way cheaper than today’s cars.
I think I have seen more Teslas in denmark in one week than I have seen in Germany my whole life🤣🤣
So true!!!
In France you can see a few Teslas but they are not common you see more Porsches or Jaguars in the same price range. They are as numerous as Maseratis which are way more expensive.
Personally, I see the bigger challenge in Denmark, outside the larger municipalities, to be the lack of charging stations.
Yup, i see that is the biggest challenge too. And the range of the battery. Electric cars need to have those two factors improved to be more successful.
@@Zivilin On the other hand, Denmark is the easiest country to fix that problem, since the distances are much shorter between towns and cities than in Norway and Sweden. In Norway it's common that the minimal accepted range is driving Bergen - Oslo with only needing one 15 min stop to recharge. The drive is about 470km and currently takes about 7 hours. There's no motorway between the two largest cities in Norway yet.
@@user-nk5es9iy8i "Easiest" doesn't mean it is easy to solve however.
Norwegian here, don't own Tesla, but Norway is a big customer of Tesla cars and there is no workshop to fix them in Scandinavia.
Regular mechanics won't touch the computer parts and it also ruins the Tesla warranty from what I've heard.
People who bought a new Tesla and had a problem with the battery or the car, had to send it to UK to fix and wait months while they were given a non-Tesla car in the meantime, a bit of a letdown for those looking forward to driving their new Tesla. This is not so bad, since warranty usually covers this for a few years. If you bought used or the warranty doesn't cover anymore, insurance can be tricky depending on what it is and rarely cover shipping costs; then it quickly gets expensive. They should consider having at least one Tesla autoshop to fix and sell cars in every country that has many customers if they plan on keeping them and creating new ones, but that's just my opinion
No VAT on EV's is a classic reverse Robin Hood
Hi, Swede here. At this point I would probably buy a Polestar 2 rather than a Tesla just because it's based on tech from Volvo so you are definitely correct. The biggest issue however is still price (+ charging availability, especially of you live in an apartment like I do)
My problem with the Polestar is simply that it costs more than a Model 3, and you get less performance and (more importantly) range.
The Model 3 is so hard to beat in terms of raw specs.
I've driven a Polestar 2 though, and it's a beautiful car.
@@logitech4873 in Norway the price is the same for a Tesla 3 and Polestar 2. I bought Polestar due to issues with paint quality and build quality on the Tesla.
@@Joasoze How has your experience been with the Polestar so far?
Often forgotten: Norway is one of the top 10 oil production countries in the world. No wonder they have so much money. The clean look has a downside.
Yeah... the typical counterargument is that if Norway did not extract and sell fossil fuels, others still would, and it would be worse if your and my petrodollars went to places like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Russia, etc., which do not give a damn about basic human rights, let alone climate change mitigation. There certainly is validity in this, but the "noblesse oblige" overtones do feel like BS.
@@NoMoYOUsernames long term oil income will be reduced one way or the other. They have so much hydro electric power to be shared among a small population that fossil fuels don’t make sense locally. But if this wasn’t the case they would not be as electrified as they are.
@@rok1475 is it better to be a hypocrite or an unashamed polluter?
@@NoMoYOUsernames it just makes me think of the things britan could have done with north sea oil under different leadership!
@@rok1475 I think it’s better to be clean in your own country and export oil to the world than it would be to be dirty in your own country and export the oil! Of course the oil exporter must bear some responsibility for the harm his product causes but it is the customer who chooses to persist in consuming and polluting when there are perfectly viable alternatives available! Perhaps Ironically it is in part due to the demand for EV’s from Scandinavia that Tesla has established it’s European operation, bringing down costs for its European customers and applying pressure to the established manufacturers to provide their own quality EV’s.
Sometimes it feels as though you come under more criticism for taking a meaningful step in the right direction than for having not bothered in the first place!
The number one reason for EVs and Tesla's initial rise in Norway was affordable "luxury" vehicles. Like it or not, the upper-middle class are the trendsetters in society and have more political capital to sway regulators in an EV favourable way. They also have an economy to overcome the pitfalls and quirks associated with early bird adopters of new technology. As well as funding boundary-pushing R&D that will eventually make its way to the cheaper EV variants.
Trying to discourage the "luxury" EV segment and encourage the "low-price" segment will just reinforce the stereotype of EVs being shitty/boring cars for hippies (e.g. Th!nk, buddy-electric, nissan leaf). Ultimately slowing progress towards an all-electric society. It's more like "Scandinavia's EV Paradox" than "Tesla's Scandinavia Problem".
All cars will not be electric.Niether will big HGVs
Is not the Norwegian fund investing in Tesla stocks and as such is in the interest of them for Tesla to succeed? & they what to help them with the domestic market ...
if we're talking about the low price game, there is already an "EV" that sold for $980 on alibaba. Of course it's extremely strip down and only have 30 mile of ranges and very slow. It's pretty easy to go cheap if the manufacturer is willing to sacrifice a lot of quality. It's a lot easier to make a qualified product cheaper than it is to make a cheap product to have more quality. Since the former has higher margin to allow for more R&D to reduce cost, but the latter is already so bare bone and have such razor thin margin that there won't be enough profit to devote to R&D unless it's selling at extremely high volume.
or it's also easy if you can steal from Tesla like Xpeng :D
That "thing" sold with $980 cannot be considered a car.
Not really, quality usually comes from experience not R&D, though it really depends on what we mean when we say quality. Do we mean it in the sense of nice to have features and high performance? Or do we mean high build quality and functional and thoughtful layout? The former does come from money yes but the latter just comes from experience and mass production. Teslas are kinda infamous for having problems with build quality but having very techy features but Volkswagen is known for good reliable design and they can put their decades of experience in designing cars for the average person to use and make a car that is comfortable and fit for that person. Not only that but mass production allows you to use better tooling, have better quality assurance, use better materials and so on because of economies of scale.
I enjoy the fact that you are pointing out that economics and convenience are the most important elements.
no, price is not Tesla's problem in Norway (TOP1 in 2020 will be etron!), the starting price of ID.3 is lower but it is the starting price and you can only put a bike on ID.3 + Superchargers are a huge advantage. The only problem Tesla has in Norway is lack of supply, and it is so obvious in December again, as always in the end of a quarter. Volkswagen has a huge, loyal customer base, Toyota being another example - no other explanation why Norwegians buy RAV4 now, with its terrible electric drive train.
The real problem for the rest is when FSD hits Tesla. He did hint at this. Robotaxi's will decimate the global vehicle market.
This. When Giga Berlin finally goes online, Norway in particular should see a big surge in Tesla sales.
How? Yes it has sold many cars this year. But 423 this month against Tesla whit almost 3 000 cars (I guess 400/3 000 at the end of dismember). Do not forget that other then the Korean`s and Chinese, do not have any significant battery production. So they can get high sales in small markets , but it stops there. Lack of supply? teslastats.no/ it locks like Tesla will have about 30% of the total car sale in Norway this mount, 30% a lack of supply? Loyal customer`s? Tesla has by fare the most loyal Norwegian customers in Norway, Then Volvo and Mercedes. I see some but not many RAW 4 on the roads. The important here is that EV, will represent about 70% of ALL new car sales i this mounth in Norway ( elbilstatistikk.no/ ). and that 90% of the country has extremely good charging options (I live in the suburbs, and i got maybe 1 500 plugs to charge on, whitin 15minuts drive)
Very important to understand that after a strong EV sale for 6 years, Norway has developed a strong second hand EV marked. About 15% of all used that is for sale now, are a EV (and about 1/8 cars are EV in Norway now).
Not many people buy Tesla's anymore.
If your favourite brand is BMW, Mercedes, VW, Volvo etc
And if you want an EV, you couldn't buy an EV from any of those brands, but you can now.
And so people are buying those brands now and couldn't care about Tesla, looking at sale stats show that.
The other thing is Tesla spends months to build anything they only build 5,000 cars a month, and the cars fall apart, big time fans don't talk about that much.
Only richrebuilds has said anything and he's been banned from Tesla for it.
EVs are becoming very popular in Denmark. In December 2021 more than half of the new cars sold had an electric motor. Half of the electric cars are pure electric, the other half are plug in hybrids. And there is also a big import of used (almost new ) electric cars from Germany. The car taxes in Denmark are hefty so they are quite important!
Its the same here in The Netherlands, loads of subsides, high income, high taxes.
Same in Belgium. Even higher tax i think. But the good thing in Belgium is the free car and free fuel for car given by employer.
As a Norwegian with family who has alot of EV.
My uncle owns 2 Model S and was one of the first to get his first Model S in Norway.
And sister + cousin who both went for the new Nissan Leaf.
Electric cars are inteiguing. And its definatly the right move.
However they come with some problem.
Charging them, while norway has alot of infrastructure to charge EV. It is not the infrastructure I am about. maybe it is how the electric grid in Norway is designed but Lightening have devestating effects on vehicles that are undergoing charging.
So you gotta be aware and make sure to disable the charge during a thunderstorm.
Both my neighbour with a Model X and my sister have had their batteries fried by a thunderstorm.
Now the second problem is the rubber problem.
EV due to alot of torque+weight eats through cheap tyres like no tomorrow.
You gotta buy the more expensive premium tires if you want them to hold for several seasons.
And then you have the third problem.
Resellability. EV has a dramatic value loss on resale. While conventional cars tends to keep their value higher than EV's when buying a used one.
And most people in Norway do buy decond hand cars and the marked is huge for second hand vehicles.
And then there is the final problem for EV, but you also see them in newer conventional cars.
The eletrical wiring just dosnt hold up.
My close friend who is a Vehicle Electrician and does this for his living, says the wiring and all eletric vehicles and majority of modern cars are so shoddy they rot very easily.
Consider the climate in norway especially with rough terrain puttibg alot of Ice Snow Rain Salt and vibration.
Alot of wiring gets eaten up and starts making errors, and having to fix that wiring is expensive as hell.
Sad thing is it could have been easily prevented if they used a better grade cape around the wiring, or even just redesigning how the wiring goes thru the car.
The first Nissan leaf was notoriously bad as wiring went along the bottom of the car near the canals leading to cars that got dented canals due to speedbumps or whatnot. Would immidiatly start to corrode the entire section, which could lead to some serious faults
I can't fathom paying 85% tax on anything. That's absolutely crazy.
How do you survive in a country like that. I already think I'm taxed to much. That's just extortion.
@@baronvonjo1929 The libertarian, conservative and nationalistic(?) party all want the fee halved or removed. Sadly the center paties and left leaning parties all want it to stay the same although i wouldn't put it past the ex-communist party to want an increase.
@potsmoker54 public transit is not an option in almost all of the US
The most difficult thing for each of us -- is to understand why other people make the decisions they make, and why they do what they do!
Great video!
Hälsningar från Sverige ! 🇸🇪
The best option in Scandinavia is a bicycle and public transportation. 🤣 I'm living in Norway, and cars prices are insane. They are 2 times larger than prices in Germany. And on top of everything, road tolls. There are cameras all over the city, and you are charged from 3-6 euros for 1.5 hours depending on the zone you are driving (it is like 50-30% cheaper for EV). So, you are paying more money to go from home to working place by car than with public transportation.
My girl and I thought to purchase a new car. But when we put everything on paper, it is like 600 euros a month for a car, plus equaty of 10.000 euros that you pay. Way too much money for something that loses value over time. So, we agreed to invest that money in something that can generate income after some time, rather than investing in buying a car.
Interesting video, well made but i need to talk about one thing that annoys me a lot in the comment, but also online in general:
Tesla is a competitive company not a non-profit organization, all the talks about
"Tesla is happy that others offer e-cars", "Elon wants to build a greener future", that's all just marketing-blabla and it is crazy how many people are believing that the quotes are more.
Tesla is a company listed on stock exchanges, what counts is market-share and sales, Elon Musk as a business man not a philanthropist, even tho him portraying himself as such might very well be part of his business-plan at this point.
In Europe Tesla is losing ground at a pretty fast pace and that is a problem for Tesla, what Elon said on twitter a few years ago is irrelevant. The emotional attachment many people have to Tesla as a Brand and Elon Musk as a Person is pretty fascinating, but it prevents them from seeing the writing on the wall.
@@NoMoYOUsernames You are actually right about my cynicism, i tend to be cynical sometimes that is true. But in my opinion it is not really such a terrible thing i like to be rather cynical than naive and delusional, but that is besides my point.
About what a philanthropist is, this is what Wikipedia says:
Philanthropy consists of "private initiatives, for the public good, focusing on quality of life". Philanthropy contrasts with business initiatives, which are private initiatives for private good, focusing on material gain, and with government endeavors, which are public initiatives for public good, e.g., focusing on provision of public services.[1] A person who practices philanthropy is a philanthropist.
A good Businessman is a bad philanthropist and vice versa, Elon Musk is a good businessman.
He can practice philanthropy in fields outside of the fields he does business in, sponsoring musicians, saving wildlife, you know the things rich people do.
Right now more and more of the traditional manufactures are getting serious about EVs, as a consequence Tesla's market share is shrinking, (btw i am not saying Tesla will fail completely, they have still a technological advantage in some fields...they just loose their status of uncontested EV-King that they had since the launch of the model S)
VW Group and Renault expanding their EV lineup and selling more EVs than Tesla makes philanthropy Elon happy, but for Tesla CEO Mr. Musk it is not good news, that is the contradiction.
TzarCoal 101 now just imagine if private good and public good could align... crazy right?
Thanks for the video. From what I can see in this video, buying and registering a second-hand Teslas will be close to the new price today in a few years.
What makes model 3 too expensive in U.S. is the car insurance still, until tesla makes there own.
They are!
I live in the Czech Republic and we got nothing for electric cars. The only thing we got is that you don’t have to pay for highways and that’s it
Find it strange how Norway somehow manages to give the impression they're green, while exporting huge amounts of oil. Like a drug dealer who doesn't sample their own product
We are also considered the most peaceful country in the world. Although we are exporting a lot of military equipments (defence systems), mainly missile and weapon systems, and ammuniton. We are a small country with 5million inhabitants. In 2012 were 7th largest weapon exporter. It's a paradox.
There is no registration fee for cars in Sweden, there is VAT only (25%). There are however some direct subsidies for electric cars which are nowhere near the fee levels in the other scandinavian countries, I think the max level now is SEK 60000. There is also some annual tax system (bonus/malus?) the first three years which I think costs something like 5000-10000 for an ordinary non electric car
Pretty much everything said here applies to Finland too.
The video could easily have been called "Tesla's Nordic Problem"
@@bleskiven Yes, very ignorant to limit the video to the geographic Scandinavia. Nordics or Nordic countries is a much better name.
@@johansvideor would mean he needed to include the situation in iceland and finland aswell, which would take alot more effort when he can get the same point across using only the 3 scandinavian nations.
Never knew Finland isn't part of 'Scandanavia'. Today I learned!
Nordic countries and Scandinavian countries are not two words for the same content..
Neither is old Finland
Scandinavia includes different countries depending on who you ask. The minimum is Sweden and Norway. Most also include Denmark. And in some contexts Finland and Iceland are also included.
@@BaldurNorddahl Finland and Iceland are not in Scandinavia. The only context would be "historical" as both nations belonged, for a time being, to the Kalmar Union (Nor-Swe-Den). Iceland has linguistic ties while Finland has not.
It is a common mistake to use the name Scandinavia (which is about a mountain ridge) when you mean the Nordics or Nordic countries that share a common historical, cultural and in many ways legal area and pretty much similar market. It doesn't make any sense to leave out Finland from this video.
It all depends on where the electricity comes from. Here in Belgium, most electricity comes from burning gas and our old nuclear reactors will soon be shut down without replacement. In such an environment, electric cars don't make that much sense, and pushing them with tax breaks are a waste of government money.
Not correct. When regulators see that people want clean energy vehicles charged from sustainable generation, they will have to organize that. From large central battery systems to V to G to SMNR, new clean gen will arrive, and vehicles should be ready.
Not correct: 1) And EV run from Coal, it reduces the CO2 footprint by 50%, from gasoline. 2) Germany whent from about 10% renewable in 2010, to 55% (first 6 mounts) in 2020. And this development is happening slower, but in most EU country now. In Norway one EV 35g CO2 and a gasoline car 205g. On EU energy mix 129g, but this is falling fast.
It was proven that even if you charge in countries with energy mostly produced by fossils liste australia for example, it's still better to get the EV. This is only from a CO2 perspective, obviously the air pollution produced by an combustion engine in the middle of a city is a major issue in terms of citizen health, while you can produce energy with fossils while at least keeping the pollution further away from humans. As energy storage solutions become cheaper and solar is getting cheaper too, we will see a rapid increase in renewables and guess what, your EV will still drive in 2-3 years and with the energy mix getting better and better your car will actually be better for the environment in a couple of years, while a gas car would still pollute the air and the environment just as much in 3 years.
I agree that we should rather invest more money into pushing for more renewable energy, but I don't think we aren't able to do both at the same time, and as I said as the energy mix gets better, so does the EV.
As mentioned by the other guy, just in the last 10 years germany managed to get their shares of renewables from only ~15% up to more than 50% in 2020, and this was with a conservative Party (CDU) leading the country. The change was pushed by society, and the green party in Germany is gaining popularity a lot as old people with little interest in the future of the planet are dieing while the next generation is turning 18 and is allowed to vote, thus putting more pressure on those legacy partys to make change happen. I assume 70-80% clean energy is possible in germany until 2030, possibly even more and Europe as a whole might just hit 40-50%
@@LunnarisLP Germany has the highest CO2 emissions in Europe since they ditched nuclear power.
electrical power plants are much more efficient than car combustion engines. And Electrical Engines are also really efficient. So you still save CO2 with a bad energy mix.
So ironic, since Norway is the biggest oil producer and is funded by oil.
This is the first video of yours I've seen. Well-edited and written. How will the $25,000 Tesla go over? It'll probably be available by 2023.
It will sell very much. Yes many Norwegian has a high salary, but many do not, and they have smaller cars.
Still trying to get the roadster on the road, and test was the first model so over 15 years now.
@@zagan1 the roadster is just an attention grabber for the company. The 25k car is their real goal.
@@rdmz135 I'm sorry, but I think their goal is profit. 25k cars will make volume but probably not profit. Tesla cannot make profit with their current cars except by means of selling the EV credits to other car makers.
I think it will go over well. Even weather people like smaller, cheaper cars as commuters. You'd be surprised how many people don't actually care about the status symbol of their higher priced model 3 and just buy it because they see it as the only option
In baltics the avg monthly wage is 1100 euros. And a standard tesla model 3 costs FROM 46 215 eur. Also our country has no subsidies on electric vehicles so good luck
Don't forget lack of charging infrastructure. Tesla's superchargers in baltic countries have been marked on map as "opening soon" for at least 5 years now. If I travel from Tallinn in a Tesla, nearest supercharger would be in Poland 1000km away. Charging stations from other companies have been appearing lately, but still nowhere near enough to make EVs more than expensive toys for driving in city.
EV market penetration is tiny at the moment but growing fast. Still in the early adopter stage due to price but will be mainstream in the next few years as it goes down. Sure most people might not have an EV for another decade but the metric we're looking at should be new car purchases, not total ownership.
It's around 70% in these counties.
But in Australia where you need to sell 5,000 ice cars to sell 1 EV. And there's nothing tax-wise etc.
It's easier to sell an ev in these countries
There is a big difference between Danmark and Norway compared to Sweden.
Sweden does not have the crazy high tax to start with on normal petrol vehicles.
This makes subsidies less effective for electrical vehicles.
It’s almost impossible to own a decent vehicle in Denmark or Norway, which is absolutely crazy.
Almost everyone owns a Audi A6, BMW 5-Series or Volvo XC60/90 in the suburbs around Stockholm.
These cars are almost considered luxury in the neighbor countries.
Strange, i like the VW Id3 more than the Tesla 3. I might be in a minority but for me a hatchback is a must. I also dislike the Tesla’s interior upholstery and general plastic look. Even worse the Renault Zoe look positively like a luxury gem compared to the Tesla 3
I honestly do think the Zoe is a neat small EV that is no slouch on range (400 km WTLP, in practice 20 % less as with any EV). It's not bad for the price. It is among the cheapest VWs What I dislike about VW is that while Renault were developing, seriously, the future small EV, VW were still cheating with their SW in dieselcars.
I will pass on the VW solely on the grounds of that. I too like the ID3 tbh, it does look like a nice attempt. But VW cheated to fool the public into believing diesels were safe for public health, and should have had consequences (since it had next to no legal consequences for them in Europe).
holy shit, I recognize the place in the clip at 12:39! It's Stortorget in Helsingborg, Sweden, filmed from Kärnan!
Interesting insights into wholly different economies. So often when we in the States talk about economic systems it is without understanding... myself included.
Great video! The $55 registration fee here in Ohio doesn’t sound so bad now 😬
@Nathan Waitinas Be happy 😆 Scandinavia is the place in the world where buying luxury cars or frankly cars of any good quality is more expensive and it’s mostly down to just fees and heavy taxes on new vehicles. Thats why its a really big second hand market here. Which is actually good reuse is always good i think, but sometimes you want a new car and then you have to shell out a lot more than the car is actually worth on the free market, and that is a hard to accept for many. But not much to do about because most political parties here agree to tax those commodities very high.
@@luffirton I mean most of us want those taxes, I don't really feel like subsidizing the purchase of new cars for other people when I don't even drive myself. I'd be a lot happier if we had higher taxes and put that money into expanding and lowering the price of public transit.
When tesla get their 25 k car, it Will be sold like crazy in scandanavia. I Mean it would likely cost 32-35 k in denmark but that is still the cheapest Electric cars out.
When the prices drop under 5k, they will sell in Finland.
The believe that geographical/infrastructure differences also come to play a huge role here. Assuming a majority of trips for Danes actually stay within the boarder of Denmark range become much less of a problem than e.g. Sweden. This gives other brands with shorter max range and lower price an competitive edge.
Norweigans buy Teslas because they are rich and because they feel guilty about their oil production. Swedes and Danes will buy Teslas once you have model 3s made in Giga Berlin costing Eur 30-35K (its currently 50% higher than that).
25% VAT will still be in Europe even though Giga berlin is built, sadly.
No, we buy Teslas because of tax incentives.
No oil guilt here. You are aware that the tarmac you drive or use your bicycle on is made of oil, yes? The plastic inside the Tesla is made of... you guessed right, oil. The question is how to use less of it and get it without too much pollution and release of greenhouse gasses. From 2025 it's not allowed to sell fossil cars in Norway, so it just makes sense to buy electric as long as the incentives are there.
@@ritz5606 It will still be allowed to sell new ICE cars in Norway after 2025. The EØS-agreement makes it very hard to make it illegal to sell them. But the taxation will be so high compared to an EV, hardly any one will buy ICE cars.
@@eivmel Technically you are right, but inside EU the most eager countries wishes it welcome, and I am pretty sure EU will adapt to a more progressive line within 2025. Will will have to wait and see. Until then the taxation will take care of it in Norway. Myself I'm driving my Leaf with great pleasure )
For me the problem is the price for charching. A home charcher is too expensive. Well a Tesla too but that can be said for All BEVs. Take a Opel Mokka, nice small car with a price of 300.000 DKR. A simular gas version Will be 150.000 DKR so half price.
I get the swedes, I like vulva too!
I would say that Swedes too have gone towards saying Volvo Villa Vovve (in Swedish) ironcally nowadays. The 2020/2021 update is probably Tesla Villa Vovve or BMW/Audi Villa Vovve.
Oliver, you framed the problem as Tesla's.
It isn't. Not really.
Tesla can ship cars where it makes the most sense to ship them. Demand worldwide far exceeds supply. If demand in Denmark, Sweden and Norway falters, they ship somewhere else. They can sell what they make.
Countries with strong incentives are naturally countries where demand is strengthened. Reduced incentives shifts demand downward. But the world isn't following any unified trend. There always seem to be countries where Tesla can sell cars.
But Tesla does acknowledge that its prices are too high, and they do want to reduce them. They've had that goal from the start of the company. And they are starting to get traction on their desire to lower prices. Progress has been slow, but it will continue.
Tesla now has a plan to produce a $25K car (US price) by 2023. That might slip by a year or two, but a budget compact is coming - and it won't be a city car with limited range or utility. This car will have all of the features found in more expensive models. We can expect less performance, less cargo capacity, etc. But the range, efficiency (cost per mile), safety, connectivity and path to autonomy will be good. At least, that's Tesla's intention.
Roadrunner will enable price reductions across the entire product line. Batteries will be cheaper, weight will be reduced, efficiency will be increased again, ranges will be better. The full impact of Roadrunner is still a few years out, but it's coming.
In short, Tesla is doing what they can to make their cars better and more affordable. But Tesla can't control the regulatory or tax regimes. All they can do is ship where there is demand.
Another point: Tesla's BEV competitors are mostly offering BEVs at higher price points than Tesla for cars that offer less value. VW is the exception! But I don't think Tesla is worried about losing demand to VW. At this point, production is the constraint for both companies, not demand.
Changing the subject: Volvo is, of course, popular in Sweden. Yep! But Volvo doesn't offer any electric vehicles through its dealerships. Polestar is a separate brand, and it is manufactured in China, not Sweden. How will Swedes regard Polestar? I don't know. But I do know that Model 3 has a price/value ratio that is more than a match for Polestar's offerings.
I think you either did not watch the video in its entirety or you missed pretty much all of my points. As the points you make is the exact same I make in my video.
Except for a few things where you mention the value for money which I also addressed in the video. I disagree that value for money is the most vital factor as you can see in the video. People will not buy a product they do not have the means for, it's that simple. And regarding Volvo, they do have an electric vehicle, which is also shown in the video. It's the Volvo XC40 Recharge.
@@OBFYT I watched it to the end.
I raised points you did not address - such as Tesla's plans for making its product offerings more affordable.
You did frame the problem as Tesla's. I say again, Tesla doesn't have a problem with demand. They can ship to where demand is. If demand dries up in Denmark, Sweden and Norway, that's a problem for those countries' ambitions to adopt BEVs, but it is not a problem for Tesla.
You mentioned Sweden's love for Volvo, but did not mention that Volvo sells no BEVs through its dealerships, nor that Polestar, to whom Volvo is connected, doesn't manufacture any cars in Sweden.
Why so defensive? This is just a conversation, each contributing points of interest, to be digested and appreciated.
@@OBFYT I do not argue that the price/value ratio is all-important. Initial price remains vital to uptake among consumers.
The XC40 isn't a purpose-built BEV, is it? It's a modified ICEV. I suppose technically it *is* a BEV, but it offers few of the advantages of a BEV designed from the ground up. I tend not to give such cars much notice.
That's a bias, I suppose.
It's considerate that you leave such long comments and replies on my videos, and I appreciate that. But I must say it is clear you missed my points completely. I did mention Tesla's plans to make more affordable vehicles. And yes I framed the problem as being Tesla's, but also their competitors. And I also framed it as being their Scandinavia problem, not their international problem? I know Tesla has demand elsewhere, that is not the point. The point is if regulators remove or change subsidies in Scandinavia then Tesla AND their competitors will lose demand, that is the premise, that was the point, and that was what you missed. Swedes love Volvo's, no doubt, that is objectively a fact. You somehow missed my mentioning of the Volvo XC40 Recharge in my previous comment, so I will mention it again. Volvo has an electric car under their own brand, The Volvo XC40 Recharge. And now to your comment on me being defensive. I put so much time and effort into these videos, and this video was really interesting and fun to make. So when people misinterpret my points and/or completely miss the premise of the video, I want to take the time to clarify. And if I come off as defensive, then I apologize but I value my work just as much as I value Constructive Criticism. Although I find it annoying when people comment on a point that I did not make.
The thing that a lot of people don't realize is that although Scandinavia and all the Nordic countries in general are some of the most highest income countries they are also the ones with some of the highest taxes especially when it comes to luxury goods. They all have at least 24% VAT on everything on top of whatever import and additional tax is added which ends up accumulating into at least 8% of each countries entire GDP every year. While the income is more standardized and a bit higher than other countries a lot of it is taxed or used up with living expenses which are also higher than most countries with all Nordic countries being in the top 20 most expensive countries to live in. All this leaves not as much as you'd think for luxury spending. Taxes aren't seen as a bad thing here as it means we're almost always safe and don't have to worry should an emergency happen. Our schools, hospitals, public spaces and roads are always being maintained and improved by those same taxes allowing almost everyone to live and average life or at least start on the same line and if that's the case a few taxes don't matter all the much.
So it seems like Denmark gov is just against any type of performance car 🤣
And they are right. What's the use of a performance car in ordinary traffic with traffic jams and speed limits?
Even though they have their own hypercar company, zenvo
@@SuperDirk1965 you obviously arent into cars, we car enthousiast dont just see cars as transportation, we see them as fast mechanical pieces of art with great heritage, we buy them for their looks, heritage, performance and driving experience. That couple of days we get to use all performance at a track event, car showor even using the german autobahn makes all dayswe cant use them perfectly. Also denmark has lots and lots of b roads with little obstructions and traffic that can give great driving experience. But you probably will never get that.also performance cars influence the entire car market as all tech they can afford to create and use will eventually make it to cheap economie cars. So the onky reason normal cars are this good is because of performance oriented car brands such as Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren,Lamborghini, Buggati and even the swedish brand Koenigsegg
@@the911collection I am into cars. I'm just not seeing them as more as what they are. They're transportation devices. Nothing more nothing less. I'm a qualified mechanic, have been for over 30 years.
@@SuperDirk1965 So driving a Lada and a Rolls Royce is the same thing for you. Personally I'd take the Rolls, Bentley, Porsche etc.
Very informative and interesting video!
The main issue with Tesla (with most EV's in general) can be summarized in one word: Price.
Like you said, they are simply too expensive for the average person.
I don't care how little they cost to maintain or how you don't have to fuel up the car with petrol or diesel, the price to purchase is too high for most people.
Greetings from Sweden!
The average new car price in USA is now $47,000 and a used car is $30,000. The price of a car *at all* is getting out of the range of affordability for most people.
Tesla has no problem with the demand for their cars, it's much higher then what they can produce. Scandinavia is a tiny market.
We Scandinavians have to realize that our impact is smaller than we think. I'm buying a Cybertruck, but I actually care more about Tesla sales in the big countries than here, since that will have a much larger impact. If the people here are irrationally buying inferior Polestar EV's instead of Tesla's, then I don't care that much since they're EV's anyway. *Any EV* is better than a gas car.
This has absolutly no basis in facts. Norway has about 5% of all bought teslas. And thats not counting Sweden and Denmark (Didnt look up their statistics, but we can assume they together are another 5%)
Ignoring selling to scandinavia would thus cause them to lose 10% of their revenue, accounting for about 2.1 billion dollars less, yearly.
Futhermore, given 53% of all teslas are sold in the US (2019), JUST Norway, is about 10% of the cars sold outside the US, and scandinavia a total of 20%
If a Cybertruck will ever arrive here ;)
I don't understand why they put the Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin. The environment is so important to them that they build an EV factory... in the middle of a forest that has to be cut down to make room for said factory. Why not build it near Hamburg? Instead of being a landlocked city, Hamburg features the second largest port in Europe, and since overland transport is way more expensive than using ships, cutting down that overland distance should be significant. Hamburg and its surroundings are mostly flat and not forested, but rather agricultural land, so maybe you could even avoid cutting down part of a forest near a major metro area.
Glad I found you and your channel! Good work!
A somewhat similar situation here in the Netherlands, although it is slightly better than in Scandinavia, because it is a carbon tax that makes EVs attractive for private owners, less subsidies. All there is on the subsidy side is a €4,000 subsidy for EVs under €45,000, as a long as the money that is reserved for it lasts. The tax incentives are better for corporate owned cars, so most Teslas here are lease cars.
This carbon tax has brackets, like income tax. So it is €1 per g CO2/km for the first 86g CO2/km, but €432 per g CO2/km for everything above 172g CO2/km. The result of this is that the price of a car explodes when you get a bigger engine. E.g. the BMW 3-series starts at €43,377, but for the M3 the starting price is €124,376. That makes the choice between an M3 and a Tesla Model 3 Performance pretty easy...
So the EV option is extremely attractive for sporty luxury cars like Tesla makes now, but less for 'normal' cars, which have much lower carbon tax and where the cost of the battery is a much larger percentage of the price. This does mean that Tesla and EVs in general have the image problem that they are seen as a susidised toys for rich people, while 'normal' people have to pay the full amount for their Renault Clio of VW Polo.
In the densely populated Netherlands Tesla also loses its supercharger network advantage over other EV brands. Local utilities are building fast chargers everywhere.
I guess people must have plenty of money to buy electric vehicles. My budget is closer to a Citroen Ami.
I can’t even buy a car. I am in Namibia XD
@4:53 The barrier is not MUCH lower but slightly lower. Looking at the two vehicles side by side, the value proposition is MUCH higher on the Tesla side.
I had to really turn up the volume of my headset: I advise to increase the recording volume. Whivh makes commercials sound Really loud!
I will. Still figuring everything out didn't expect to get so many views on my videos this early. But thank you for giving me constructive criticism it will only help me make them better.
Interesting video, thanks. i wish more Americans understood the climate issue better. I admire the Scandinavians for taking the lead on this issue. Not only are Scandinavians ahead on this front they also lead the way in terms of balance between business, government & social responsibility.
Maybe it’s you that doesn’t understand the climate issue?
@@paulmcgreevy3011 Fortunately folks like yourself are not winning the argument. There are enough intelligent people recognizing reality and making changes. Change can be scary but sometimes it is needed.
@@RawandCookedVegan .....unfortunately some folks think only their opinion matters.
Batteries die in the cold...my work has fully electric scissor lifts that last all day in normal conditions but if you use them in a meat freezer will only last 45 minutes untill fully drained
@@honesty_-no9he it isn't about the scissor lift, it's about batteries in general
@@NoMoYOUsernames ty, this actually answered my question unlike some people that just compared the car to a scissor lift...I know there's way more technology in the car, my question was about battery life...ty
Battery life seems to be very good in Norway. There are a lot of EVs, and a lot of cold days. The lifespand of the batteries are much better then expected. The heat are worse for the batteries.
I like that the saying has “vovve” in it. Vovve is the key to the best life.
Denmark is so damn expensive , wow !
socialism lol
I think I prefer paying 40k for a car I don't need compared to paying 200k because I broke my arm.
There should be no VAT on EVs instead like in Virginia, Tax should be charge on yearly bases on vehicles current value. By that the new buyer is not paying whole tax at purchase.
To be clear, what i think the danish should do; put identic taxes on all cars the more they pollute, the more taxes they get
All cars must than pay for their cost to society. ICE cars will loose the subsidies they have today- be more expensive and their sales will decline👍🇳🇴
Yeah, so put a cost on pollution rather than the vehicles themselves? It could work in the long-term ownership of the vehicles. But it doesn't change the most vital factor, up-front cost, which is what matters most right now for electric vehicles as they are more expensive to manufacture.
@@OBFYT thats a good idea
Put taxes on car based on how much they pollute, use some of this money to remove vat on zero emission veichles- that model have been effectful in Norway
And tell the public: fuel taxes will rise by 10% a year going forward
Bjorn’s idea doesn’t’ the hold water, if you want to accelerate the transition to renewable energy and bring down the number of ICE car. The polluter pays argument isn’t really hardly enforced. And if you leave up to the auto industry they cheat.
@@SmalLevi74 There are a bunch of countries that have registration fees for the cars based on gram CO2/km. The Netherlands is really insane here, a Mercedes Diesel SUV costs like 40000€ registration fee. Many countries also start adjusting the yearly license plate fee to CO2/km, as well as adding a CO2 tax to every liter of fuel bought.
I guess it would depend on how those taxes impact the car’s final price. Here in Spain we have a 21% tax for all cars but what changes is the tax for adding your number plate, that depends on the emissions sticker of the car. ECO and 0 emissions stickers don’t pay that tax, but it’s not really a decisive factor over the final price. A progressive VAT would definitely work better to encourage electrification. That and a proper charging network of course.
Netherlands is a place where I can spot lots of Tesla around . I would like to know if they have the same numbers per inhabitants for ev as in Scandinavian countries
Yes Tesla sale in Netherlands is almost same as Norway, maybe higher.
Volvo's electric car range / Polestar will be made in Chengdu, China. By Volvo's Chinese parent company Geely. So I suspect many Swedish buyers may move to Volkswagen. I don't think Geely plans to produce any long range electric vehicles in Sweden...😢😢
Also, Swedes complain that Volvos are old man's cars that live so long you can't get rid of them! :-)
Oh but you're wrong, i live in Stockholm and recently i have seen so many polestars. Swedes still consider Volvo to be swedish and we remain loyal. A polestar is basically an electric Volvo and they have a big market in sweden.
@@akirathorson885 We have the same problem here. The new Landrover Defender. Will be made in Poland. Rather depressing. We need to start manufacturing electric vehicles at home...
Honestly, it's not fossil fuel cars that are the biggest problem; it's cars in general. Get your public transportation and cycling going and you'll see that you solve all problems easily.
Registering a car here in Texas: $50.75
and income tax brackets in Denmark are 50, 60, and 70%. Make $100K in Denmark? Take home = $30K, LESS 21% (VAT) sales tax and less all the other taxes.
@@urbanstuff9950 goddamn thats some pretty steep tax levels. you cant be poor in scandinavia apparently
@@glock4455 Very few are. That's why this kinda works in a way.
My sister told me that on her recent trip to Sweden she saw a new car dealership with five cars for sale. This contrasts markedly with car dealerships in my community, each one having acres of new cars. And my community is just a small part of an obscure western state.
They generally have more than that here, I mean not like hundreds but there's usually a couple dozen on display.
You forgot to mention Polestar, the Volvo brand of EV as a competitor to Tesla. 😁
Great car, wish the range was competitive with the model 3