Removing Fuel Tank Rust With A Chain And Vinegar AMAZING RESULTS!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Continuing on the Honda CB750 chopper project I am removing the fuel tank rust using a chain and vinegar with amazing results! This tank was really bad with lots of old varnished fuel in the tank that turned into a flaky crud that was clinging to the bare metal sections within the tank. I started out using some chain to break up the larger chunks and get us 75% of the way there. I eventually had to use drywall screws to get the last stubborn areas of the varnish off but that worked great.
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Tank cleaned, no leaks and preserved the paint. That’s a big win.
Was a total success 🤘
As an older rider I have to find a less athletic method . The shaking chain method works great for those with the power of youth. What works for me is to jack up the rear of any car, truck, tractor or other vehicle and bungee the tank to the wheel, start the engine, and while in bottom gear just let the tank roll over and over for a half hour at a time until the chain or whatever medium I’m using has done its job the let it roll with the vinegar in it until it has done its job. Even leaving the chain in along with the vinegar will work too.
The last tank I did had pin holes along the bottom along the pinch weld. Removed the paint in that area, used a blunt punch to create divots into the pinholes, the filled the divots with JB WELD ORIGINAL, it seals perfectly! Never have had issues with the jb weld ORIGINAL method. THE CLEAR 2 part epoxy not so much. I Don’t recommend it.
All the best 🤠.
The red cx tank I showed before that I stripped developed holes as well. Needed a liner
Be nice if you have a cement mixer... wrap the tank towels
@@edjay395 I want to build one for tanks but just a lot of projects going on. It will happen eventually
@@BrickHouseBuilds
many years ago I used some old brass keys for a BMW motorcycle tank and shook vigorously with vinegar - suddenly a key tip poked through the bottom of my tank! From that day forward, I only use vinegar and fairly light rounded chain, no sharp anything, - I often rinse and use Ospho to prevent flashing and then add two stroke mix as you did. I have never failed yet to bring back a tank from near rusty death -nice vid!
Oh man that would suck! I have had some very thin tanks that developed holes
Bought a ‘99 Ducati 900SS long ago. Previous owner poured tank liner in tank without removing *anything*, including the mesh prefilter and the fuel pump. The bike ran great until it warmed up. The guy he sold to took it to local Ducati dealership who said it needed an ECU! He sold bike to me without telling me any of this. Learned about bike after providing Duc shop the VIN. Sued him even after I signed “As-Is” statement. Why? Because he did not disclose condition. Long story longer … guy didn’t show up to court, I testified, default judgement to me and then, “It is clear to me that the seller did not represent the item accurately. Therefore, I am doubling judgment in plaintiff’s favor.” All this headache because someone installed tank liner solution incorrectly. So who is to blame?!? Italians, of course! 😂😂😂
Thanks for detailed how to. Birds knew the storm was coming. Mean golf ball hail beat up your nice blue truck. Dang
@BrickHouseBuilds a process I use for restorations.. soak with a strong caustic solution seems to soft the oxide bond but main focus to remove water resisting oils.. the acid I use is Oxalic.. it's used by dry cleaners & wood workers to remove metallic stains in clothes & wood g available from paint & woodwork suppliers & commercial cleaning suppliers.. it doesn't seem to harm them.. at all.. & I've not had any adverse effects handling the solution with bare hands other than it stings cuts.. Oxalic acid doesn't attack the inlaying bare steel either.. at least for a few days soaking dependent on strength I would think.. I've found an enhancing visual effect by scrubbing items with a stainless steel wire brush or stainless pot mit/scouring pad.. in the solution.. there seems to be a molecular exchange that deposits I think chromium to the base steel.. it brightens it quite noticeably with a minute or so right in front of your eyes.. AFTER.. the rust/oxide has been dissolved.. the solution goes green & remains effective for further jobs for several uses & a yellow partical sediment settles in the solution.. I drain off the usable green solution for further use & discard the yellow sediment.. until it starts turning brown at which point its lost all effect.. I sometimes finish with a phosphoric acid stainless wire brush scrub.. seems a little less susceptible to rerusting tools etc.. lookup phosphatising steel (gunsmithing).. cheers 🇳🇿🇳🇿 NZ 👌👍
I'd rather find the weak spot like you did than riding down the road with a tank full of gas that starts dripping
The 1979 CB750 I restored had a gas tank full of rust. I used chains and solvent to clean out the heavy rust and flakes. Then I used Ospho to neutralize all the rust. Lastly cleaned it out with some gasoline to flush. It came out good. Ospho is amazing stuff. It turns iron oxide into iron phosphate which is inert. The rust was gone and never came back.
I had to restore a tank from a vintage Vespa we shipped from Italy. I dumped in about two pounds of screws, nuts and bolts. Then I wrapped the tank in several moving blankets and put in the the clothes dryer with no heat. After a couple of hours it was polished clean.
I converted a cheap concrete mixer to agitate bits of chain and soapy water in the tank, I loved watching it with a beer in hand 😊
Yeah a concrete mixer is on thr list for sure
A cunning plan Baldrick, ordering a storm so we watch until the end. Spoiler alert , we would have watched until the end anyway.🤣
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Nice job. I always put about 50ml of blue smoke oil in a full tank before a long ride. Wouldn't foul the plugs but did put a soot coating in the mufflers. Stopped worrying about rotting out with rust.
I am doing my Kawasaki VN2000 fuel injected bike. I am going to try Evaporust first, then possibly the toilet bowl cleaner method. This looks really gentle to the paint, though, and I will need to check this out. Loved the chain, I have used a bucket of various sized garbage nuts and a carton of BB's before. Never thought of drywall screws!
Seriously helpeful video mate ....I would say when the tank pressured up due to the baking soda was a great free pressure test for leaks. Again ,superb vid......Thank you from the UK.
Haha definitely a good leak test! Glad you enjoyed
This was really explained well BJ 👍🏻 I remember restoring my buddy’s 77 KZ1000 and that tank had so much rust inside 😳 I used pea gravel to knock around the innards with some kind of rust removing liquid I bought, it was a long time ago. Took me forever 😂 You have this down to a science. See you next week 👋🏻
Well done. The Drywall screws work great.
That they do
I've had great results with vinegar and a pack of BBs. Evaporust works great without the flash rust but more expensive.
Yeah that's why I love electrolysis as it works every bit as good, as fast, very safe, and much cheaper
The vinegar works wonders I fill my tank full of vinegar and let it sit for a day or so, but first tossed some nuts and bolts in and shook it like the jailhouse rock. Poured out the vinegar and fill with water and baking soda, clean as new should have filmed it
I feel for you. We had a bad hail storm back in '98. They were the size of baseballs. Busted every window out of my truck and totalled it out. I had two payments left. 😂
That suuuuucks!!
@@BrickHouseBuilds yeah but I ended up buying it back from the insurance company and driving the crap out of it. So it wasn't too bad. Didn't worry about scratches and dings after that 😂
Looks like you guys are going to get more of the same tomorrow. Might want to park the Maverick in the shop.
Thank you. This is the 4th video I watched about cleaning a gas tank. Only 2 mention neutralizing the vinegar. Looks like I have to start over on my 1985 Yamaha. I will find some muscle for the shaking, though.
Perfect timing! Now moving on from the Nighthawk ~ (not started yet). So yea. The 01 600 Bandit is well ~ yuck! Petcock needs a rebuild. I think you have another electrolysis video but this is very user friendly. Thanks again! Perfect for me right now. Oh yea. Someone says "Ospho?" Not so much about the 'clothes dryer' method. Whoo wee. Thanks again, and again, and again.
Very nice I plan on using the vinegar trick on CBR. See you have one in the background @15:36. Mine is exactly the same, old owner neglected it and I've been trying to get her road worthy before I actually get to enjoy it. But good job on vids and explaining things.
Thank ya!
Nice job my friend .we put vinegar on are chips in the UK.
That you do lol
Great video another tank saved
They use mayonnaise elsewhere (try it, it's not bad) but that stuff sucks for rust removal.
Love vinegar....my mother is Scottish 😁
On my Suzuki T 350 2 stroke my tank was like yours I cleaned it with muriatic acid . Then I put RED Tank is a gum that sticks inside the tank. Another 50 years without any problems.😎
I cleaned out a rusty zx6rr fuel tank last year, I used vinegar and pea gravel, kept shaking it for about 12 hours, it turned out really clean.
That would be a really good surface finish
I start with soap and water and blast and flush the tank. Then vinegar soak filled to the brim. Then a couple different wire wheel on an extention. Finally evaporust with large washers and shake for a day. Drain and rinse again. Then alcohol and a blow dryer to eliminate water. End result is like new. Takes 1.5 days to 2 days. Electrolysis also works, but if you are not negligent you can save the paint with the first method.
@@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez I normally use electrolysis and have a good video on that method too
I've used a couple pounds of pea gravel and pickling vinegar with good results.
Yes I have a video on how to do that as well
Fantastic result with the tank, in regards to the storm when you knew it was approaching why didn't you rush inside and grab whatever blankets & donna's you could to protect your vehicle from possible hail damage as I do being uninsured for hail here in Sydney Australia!
Maybe a thought for next time!
Because I didn't know it was going to hail until you see that clip where I rushed out to find it hailing. Normally If I know in advance I get my vehicles parked inside or covered up.
I’d done that, and after I cleaned it out I treated it with Kreem Fuel Tank Liner. I first got a gallon of mercuric acid from a swimming pool dealer. This was to remove the rust. You still get rust flashing when it dries out. Then you treat it with Kreem.
Yeah I'm not a fan of either of those methods personally. I've seen too many failed kreem and red kote liners. I avoid muriatic acid when possible
cheap ball bearings or hex nuts (cleaned of galvanizing in vinegar) also work great for cleaning up the inside of a tank. You can use them with the vinegar to make less steps. Tank looks great!
Hi BJ pretty good result with the tank ,worked really well man I felt for the truck at the end hope it didn’t cause too much damage I’d build a carport after that lol save a bit of damage then again if a tornado struck would it have been worth it take care and enjoy your week great video as always mate 🔧🔧🔧👌👍🏍️🏍️❤️
Chain is smooth and rounded, not the best choice.
A jar full of bolts works best because of all the sharp edges and threads. They are also smaller and will get in crevices better.
Make sure to use steel bolts only because sometimes the last couple of bolts are harder to get out and you use a magnet on a stick to fish them out.
Best I could find in the moment
Vinegar, a brass chain with very small links, gets into all the tiny crevices better.
that tank is sick
Original tank saved 👌.
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Nice job on the tank BJ 👍🏼.
Nice storm, too. Ive found a couple of old army blankets spread out on the roof and hood prevent hail damage, unless the stones get stupidly big!
Yeah I just had no warning about hail otherwise I would have taken my normal precautions
Exactly what E10 does to every fuel system if left for a while
Nasty stuff for sure
Try Apple Cider Vinegar, its much stronger than white vinegar, doesnt harm the paint and is only a few bob more expensive. I also used a kilo of steel gunshot from a gunshop. It's smaller that tech screws and easily removed with a magnet. My result was perfectly rust free base metal and the gunshot was so small it got deep into the seam welds. Of course i had to use baking soda immediately just as you did to stop the flash rust.
It's now been 21 years since I did my ZL1000 tank and it's still like new today.
This is 30% concentrate vinegar. Stronger than those others
You should try the vinegar along with about 15 , 3/8" coarse thread steel bolts , the bolts have enough weight and sharp edges to scrape anything loose on the surface , your screw method is similar but the weight of the bolts is what really gets the job done , dry it out with a heat gun and the result is like new steel , have your tank sealing coating ready to go , but dont wait to coat the inside or you will get the flash rust on the fresh surface.
I'm my last one everyone said try drywall screws and not to use a heat gun lol. I know there are 10,000,000 ways to skin a cat. This worked great. Maybe I'll make another video in the future of another method to go with my other ones
Your method certainly worked, & also with it pressurising that much you know you have no leaks
That was definitely not intentional lol 😅
@@BrickHouseBuilds but handy to remember lol
I also had a issue with a chain in my tank. Where i come from we call it kidney stone. Anyway great video as always!
That hail brought back a bad memory of my 2 month old '83 Firebird getting pelted while I watched from the window.
Thats brutal!
Great job there my friend
Great video . Not advisable to use the chain in a tank with a sending unit inside unless you remove the unit .
Definitely.
Throw some blankets over the roof and hood, helps a lot...😮
Didn't know we were getting hail until it hit. I'm not getting my noggin out there with golf balls coming down either!
I would've thrown a couple old quilts on the truck hood and roof. With my hard hat of course
Didn't know it was going to hail until it was already coming down
So the next video is about "How to remove dings created by a hail storm" :)
🤣🤣🤣 step 1 - take it to a professional
I used small pebbles from sea and vinegar and works
I've actually made another video using fish tank gravel too
This reminds me of the time I used to live in California for 7 years, and it only hailed ONCE out of the whole time I lived there, then it flooded once right after. Lol
We get hail but this time there was no warning for it unfortunately
Very good video BJ, we didn't get any hail up my way. I pray that you didn't have too much damage.
Just some dings but still waiting on a roof inspection
Right when I'm de-rusting my tank... talk about good timing !
Im on it like that!
Omg the storm 😮 is your truck insured against this kind of damage ??
@@joachimboussoumah9994 it's insured luckily. I'm working on getting estimates and such
That was some wicked weather. Good video! I have a KBS coatings tank sealer kit I'm about to use on an 89 GSXR1100.
Be sure to prep it to perfection
I'd rather spend the money on Evapo-Rust, fill the tank and set it somewhere for a couple of days followed by a rinse. It's a lot less labor but cost more to do in chemicals.
Evaporust is expensive and not the best use for this. It needs a mechanical stripping method to break the varnish away. Electrolysis for rust removal is far cheaper, works just as fast, and is just as safe
I use alcohol to neutralize the vinegar. Works very well.
I wouldn't think that was possible lol
Helpful video BJ!! Sorry about the Mav😭😭
Cool video. Poor truck. Another quality how to mister!
Thanks Paul!
That worked awesome, the tank looks great! As for the hail, I think I would have tore the comforter off my bed and threw it over the hood and roof! Lol hopefully it didn’t ding her up on ya.
Yeah just had no warning!
Nice tank
Thank ya
You touch up the small areas of rust with Phosphoric Acid, which is the active ingredient of Jenolite.
Get a gallon of 99.9% Phosphoric Acid, as it is relatively cheap.
You can either use the acid neat for heavy rust or dilute it to 50% or 33% concentration with tap water.
Brush it on with an acid brush (Nylon brushes tend to dissolve slowly, but will last for a few jobs).
Let the acid dry out and it will convert the rust to a black ferrous phosphate layer, which can then be abraded of with a wire brush.
Can't wire brush the inside of the tank though
@@BrickHouseBuilds You can wire brush the inside of the filler neck and cap, which were still left rusty after the vinegar treatment. The rest of than can only be cleaned as you did it - with loose screws.
Some moving blankets on the truck might save some damage from the hail
Had I known it was going to hail I would have done that
Hello B.J. You made a cracking job of that! I wondered if the dark persistent marking under the filler cap could have been overspray from the previous painting? I have had similar markings previously myself. I love that paint job, I smell the 1970’s!
Cool! Cheers Kevin.
I always used a bunch of nuts and bolts, chain is a better idea it’s easier to get back out.
I wonder if some brake cleaner would have helped break down that varnish...hmmm. That vinegar and baking soda may be a dent removal helper. Hmmm again. I have removed some dents with compressed air.
Take a small concrètemixer,ciné-parc and Sand.Fix the Tank with a rubbermat and Belts on the Drum and let it Turn.During that Turn the Position of the Drum and later neutralisé it again with bakingsoda.It‘s like new!
I don't have a concrete mixer.
@@BrickHouseBuilds I also like to take steelwires with o Rings ( don’t Touch Inside of the Tank ,an old Batterie charger ( the new Ines don’t work),mix water with Natrium bicarbonate and start électrolysais.Important are thé eures inside .I use rubbertube Pièces so the wire doesn’t Touch the Tank.Works perfect and the „old“ Charger clean it during one Night!
I actually have a full video on how to do electrolysis on my channel. It's likely you have seen it as since I posted it many people have started doing that process.
Maybe build a carport for your next video. 😆
You can use hydrochloric acid diluted as well. Just neutralize it when done. It will clean it even without the chain. How rust is removed in heavy industry. You can buy it at any big box store.
Yup, I have some but I don't like how dangerous it is. The fumes alone rust things nearby
Vinegar
Then rinse using distilled water only with a mix of baking soda
Sure no rust will remain then full tank a gas on your tank
citric acid and water has always worked wonder for me
Never put water in your metal fuel tank. Putting water in the tank is instant Rust. And yes gasoline does eat up metal turns Rust. You think about inside of the tank is , Bair metal. When tank is new it has a Glossy look to it when look Down inside when that Glossy look start looking Dull take right then and start cleaning it. If it's oily Little scale rust use kerosene 2 or 3 times get the Varnish out of the tank use a small piece Of chain. If it's a old tank with Rust Do the same thing. Ones you've got the tank back shiny use some Lacquer thinner 2 or 3 times too get the oily residue out. Lacquer thinner will dry out fast then tank some Good old Marvin's Mystery oil take and pour like a half a cup too a cup full depending on tank size put it in Roll it around, shake it some. Then Let it Set for 20 too 30. Minutes shake and rolled around again take pour that out. And Then pour a little bit back in it. Then use the vinegar. When you get the vinegar out, pour you a bit more the Marvin Mystery oil. back in it shake it around and roll it some Marvin's mystery helps with the varnishing stuff in the gas. Get that stuff out and it also Coats and protects the metal.
Did you watch the video?
@@BrickHouseBuilds O my God what I say what did we do before the Internet. Trial-and-error common sense. Could be before you was born.
great video bro someone just game me a quad for free with a rusted tank on it and this looks like itll definitly help
@Catalyst512 hopefully it helps! I have two other videos on removing rust from tanks so definitely check those out
I've used river sand and petrol.
So normal fuel from a questionable station?! 😅
I would have counted the screws to be sure. But good outcome.
Thanks for watching
rad. i was wondering how to plug an oval on my tank to do this - been using silicone plugs on tanks with circular petcock holes - nice to see your solution 🙏
Yup just a simple plate with two holes and silicone!
Cool vid. I like evaporust better than vinegar but the chain is a great idea. I have several tanks to do. Thanks for posting.
Citric acid and vinegar
What is the last liquid you put into gas tank? After you put into the last time baking soda, that comes in a little can
Some 2 stroke mix
Acetone will cut that varnish quickly.
It's more expensive but I prefer using evaporust over vinegar.
I still prefer electrolysis
Used a similiar method before works good
Thanks for your video
Glad you enjoyed!
Good job👏🏻
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After you get cleaned out the dryer for 2448 hours and then pour some pr15 in there gasoline coating it will make it rock hard on the inside and you never have a problem out again
@charlesranscheart6738 I've had poor luck with POR15. I prefer caswell epoxy. I've made videos on that actually.
It’s a lot of work there. You could try baking soda powder , use one cup of powder and put 3rd cup of hot water in then put stainless steel foil in wrap like a golf ball x 3 balls of shining foil in it. Leave it for 1 hour in it.
How will it mechanically remove the varnish?
Good result is good! And guess what: I hate to do that job, maaan that's a time consuming and very annoying !
I wonder if the molasses trick would work
This works though
The baking soda and vinegar which gives off CO2 gas has me wondering if this technique could be used to remove big dents from the tank from the internal pressure... I would think this could potentially pop those back out.
No, that would be silly in my opinion. You can't control the pressure of this. The tank would likely split before a dent was popped out. If you did resort to trying pressure, you would seal it off and used regulated air pressure to work up.
Nice job
Thank ya
Nice job! Just need a some 'elbow grease.'
Exactly
Old timers used to use wood bleach, oxalic acid to do stuff like this
I'd replace the rubber seal on the fuel tank cap. It looks a bit sad. Just saves any fuel from evaporating.
Definitely bad but the mission of rust removal was the first goal
@@BrickHouseBuilds fair enough. One step at a time. Greetings from Australia. CB Honda's in Australia are now selling for insane prices and are getting very had to get.
Sorry about your nice new truck, looks like you need a carport.
Weather happens. Can't have a carport or expand my garage due to zoning stuff either
Great job! I had a thought; the pressure build up from the baking soda and water could you do something like that to pop out dents from a tank? Or would that be too unstable/unpredictable? Take care, and Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
To me that's too unstable as you have no control.
You should have left the vinegar at least a day for better results , but i prefer electrolysis which im currently doing to my tank
I prefer electrolysis as well and have made a video on that. There was no need to leave the vinegar in for longer though
Strap, the tank to the front of a cement mixer and switch in cement mixer. Go away and have a nice cold drink, read a little or catch up on emails etc. and you'll have a de-rusted tank.
As mentioned, don't have a concrete mixer
9:33 I often complain that my fuel tank is too small, here's a free and easy way to make it bigger lol
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Always put the baking soda into a solution before you introduce it to the inside of the tank.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20
@@BrickHouseBuilds Sorry...I meant no offense !
@user-go8sg1ml9u no worries. I'm always learning and I think I was in a hurry on this one so made some goof ups
I need that turbo button when i clean a tank.That was an baaad tank. Geist Wulf Cycle Werks
How did the Maverick make out in the hail?
Luckily only two minor dings on the hood, 6-8 on the roof and nothing else. Covered by insurance so just going through the process
Great job - Now you just need to get rid of that horrendous crap on the OUTSIDE of the tank!
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Always haters
Where did you purchase 30% vinegar.
@@copperhead5216 home depot I believe
Out of curiosity, is it possible to use evaporust for the tank?
It is but I see no point as it's expensive. My electrolysis method is far cheaper and just as effective/fast and safe. This is between the two options cost wise but is more aggressive with more steps
I am in process of cleaning my fuel tank right now using your method, but i did not have that much vinegar ( the tank is about 18L), so i mixed vinegar with water in about 60:40 proportion ( 60 being vinegar). I am planning to let the mixture sit in the tank for few days. Is it bad if i mixed vinegar with water? It will still have the power to remove the rust?
I've never tried it mixed with water. You may need to do some research on that
how was it now? is the rust keep coming back?
Fine now. The rust was stopped here. When tanks sit exposed for decades is when they rust.
i use vinegar and fill the tank let it set 2 days works great than used caswell to seal it HAPPY WRENCHEN
There was no need to have it sit that long though. I was fighting varnish more than rust