APTERA Has Proven To Be Inept
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Prototypes going all over the place while the empty warehouse is getting nothing that is visible and lots of promises. It's time the gullible disciples woke up to the idiocy that is Aptera's silly planned road to production. I, for one, still say they are going to fold because they never intended otherwise.
As always - intelligent comments welcome, but your ad hominem won't be blocked if you want to keep that nonsense up.
Change the title to ‘Grumpy Old Man Upset He Won’t Get His Aptera Before Seemingly Imminent Death’ 🤣
I’d say that it’s crazy that you hit publish on such a low effort video but given how much your straining to get a basic sentence out, I’m guessing this took hours 💀
I would rather change the title to "Id10t5, please don't watch!" Save your guesses for comments on AOC, the cretin will love them.
Latest update. August is when they will have an Aptera driving around. So, it's happening!
Other things:
1. Testing fine tuned everything. All suspension has been signed off on. Suppliers are just waiting for the order. As for the 16 Pi ones, they need low volume ones and looks like Spain and Italy is where they will get them from. In the end, PROGRESS!
2. Firmware and software needs to be developed. Seems that it can't be done unless the bink is in house. So, great progress is being made in that arena now.
3. Looks like everything else is done. So, Aptera is really far along. Two more updates coming soon and maybe they will show us the bink driving around!
I see AOC has another interview. I will record as I watch - just in case.
Already read this stuff in 2019.
@@vic321344 If I had a dollar for every time I have heard 40 miles per day of solar and another for hearing 1,000 mile range I would be able to afford a Cadillac Lyric.
@@aussieideasman8498 - 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range.1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range. 1000 mile range.
I just added $15.01 AUD to your account.
@@billsmith5960 I figure $10. I wasn't counting on USD. They are selling the Lyric here in Aus.
This video was all over the place. You used contractions without explanation, you used ad hominem attacks, while saying no-one else could. You don't provide reasons why what they say was BS.
Perhaps everything they said was BS. This video doesn't demonstrate that.
If you want to explain why certain parts of the video were factually based, that would be great.
Saying "they are inept" doesn't make it so, unless you can coherently show how they are inept.
Perhaps you have a point. Make a video that demonstrates that, this video isn't it.
Seems like a hate club to me.
He's mad because they don't tell him every problem or explain every decision.
"This video was all over the place." I haven't noticed you saying this on any of the many pro-Aptera videos that are all over the place. You are being very particular.
"You used contractions without explanation," What contradictions? You have not explained any, lol.
"you used ad hominem attacks, while saying no-one else could." If you had watched my video about ad hominem, you wouldn't have made yourself a f001. If you call someone with an IQ of 30 a m0r0n you are not using ad hominem, but if their IQ is 90 you are. Have a think - I fear your IQ is on the lower end of my example. Check the nonsense someone has said before I call them out for what they really are.
"You don't provide reasons why what they say was BS." Then I am unproven, but not necessarily untrue. I have about 130 other videos that provide most of the reasons. I do them as a whole, rather than individual.
"Perhaps everything they said was BS. This video doesn't demonstrate that." It was to demonstrate being inept, as per the title.
"If you want to explain why certain parts of the video were factually based, that would be great." I don't want to. Been done.
"Saying "they are inept" doesn't make it so," Doesn't make it a lie, either.
"unless you can coherently show how they are inept." You missed the coherent content. They make a crappy mule with a radiator that is unrepresentative of what people want to buy (are you getting no doors, windows and a radiator up front?); they suspension test it two years ago and say it's done; they switch what you will be getting to CF SMC; they sent silly mule to Italy near the CF SMC factory and get a random road test company to test that same suspension on the even more irrelevant mule; They spent upward of $45k to do it; and they retire the silly trike with no report on what that random tester did. I fear you have stared out the window at school much too often. The problem is all yours, and it's Beta that's all over the place, lol.
"Perhaps you have a point." So you can't say I am pointless. It's a big maybe you're selling to the gullible.
"Make a video that demonstrates that, this video isn't it." This video did what I intended, and I can't cater for those who can't comprehend. Stupid is as stupid does.
@@ghz24 I take almost no notice of people who begin with "seems like" - they can't make up their mind. And I laugh at people who reference hate. You have done both in a single sentence, and I don't know if I am the mad one or GTrain is. You couldn't be more vague. But I commented because I missed the opportunity to correct GTrain on his statement: "you used ad hominem attacks, while saying no-one else could." I never said no-one else could. In fact, if you read in my video explanation I wrote "As always - intelligent comments welcome, but your ad hominem won't be blocked if you want to keep that nonsense up." The GTrain is so thick he sees that as me saying nobody can use ad hominem. It's a rare person who confuses can from can't - really at the bottom end of the gene pool.
@@aussieideasman8498 Wall of text. Didn't read. If you can't make your point concisely, it isn't worth reading.
@@ghz24 Yep. Very biased.
YT allows people to say what they want.
It's been confirmed by superfan #5. Aptera will not need the interior or air conditioning for crash testing. So, crash testing will be in July or August. Even though the IIHS buys cars off the lot to crash test, Aptera will not have to worry as they are an autocycle and they have only tested one autocycle to date and it was not a crash test. So, if you look up Polaris Slingshot rollover, you'll see.
You can definitely keep knocking Aptera, but I am no longer worried about it. I expect to get my Aptera next year. Anyone knows that any new vehicle or tech almost always misses milestones. As they get closer to real production, the ability to meet milestones improves. Aptera is getting to the point where they will start hitting their milestones or miss by just a little. I have worked in R&D and I know how it works. Aptera knows it is death for a new start to have major issues in their first production vehicle. This has happened to a number of nascent vehicle startups we have heard of. I give Aptera credit to doing everything to make sure they do not fail in their first vehicle in production.
The jury is still out.
Everyone is waiting for a fully integrated, completed Delta to go out and show what it can do.
In November/December updates they said “PI’s completed in the first few months of next year”, and “crash data by mid-year”.
They claimed the Accelerator Program provided sufficient funds to complete the PI’s, though not get them to production.
So, from November to now, 6 months and ‘25 in 7 months.
Great that you have faith, but Aptera really, really needs to get it done for you now.
Consider all of the elements that need to come together into a vehicle that you would be proud to own. Consider, where they are with PI’s and especially the status of their Carlsbad facility.
It’s up to them to put a completed product in front of you that speaks for itself
So you have ruled out the double Ponzi - good for you. All are welcome to follow your thinking. I am not here to make people think the way I think - just here to provide alternatives for individual consideration with no strings attached. Power to you.
You have to remember, unrealistic timelines are required to get crowdfunding and investment. Think about it, in 2019 if Aptera said,
"We will go into production in 2025 but need to raise way more than we think we need to today. The vehicle you see will not be anything like this. We will go through multiple iterations and then before pre production, will change the frame and body completely. So please give us money and reservations on a product that's not the same as you see here and might be ready in six years."
How well do you think that would fly? Instead all they did was follow the crowdfunding playbook. Keep peoples hopes up by claiming that production is around the corner year after year. Then use that crowdfunding to completely redesign the vehicle and spend it on R&D.
After that, then you will be spending lots more because all of those suppliers sure don't want to get burned by yet another startup. So, they will require lots of cash up front and they won't be giving you any discount on those parts either. Aptera is not like GM where they can squeeze you on the price of those parts.
Let's not forget, with all of the big changes Aptera has made to their vehicle, anyone thinking that there won;t be more, is kidding themselves. That's why we test. To get it as good as possible and then go to production.
I fully expected these changes and am not surprised. I agree saying it will be a long process wouldn't work. I invested with my eyes wide open. I invested a little early on and only increased my investment amount much later. I was actually very happy that Aptera made the prototype. My background is Physics and Math and I have worked both production and R&D and I realized Aptera was actually doing what I would do. The costs they proposed to get to production make sense. Much of the money will go to purchase automated manufacturing machines and they will have a minimal production crew compared to other car manufacturers.
@@robinpettit7827 The Delta design "completed" 12/22 would typically have been done following extensive testing of mules built prior to that. While the BinC was being tooled, so would, at least, all other subsytems in prototype/preproduction form been collected such that the PI's 1-3 would be assembled and completed now.
Aptera will be listed as failure in Wikipedia some time off in the future because the crowdfunders did not realize that a strong, savvy, experienced, focussed, product development and manufacturing group was not in place from the onset.
In short, the Blind have been leading the Random and entropy is the order of the day. There has never been a skilled development/manufacturing team in place. The crowdfunder error was the belief the world would fund all of this while they figured it out.
Chris Anthony is totally overwhelmed as the reality of what they're trying to do is just setting in. Many of the things he discusses as the latest "discovery" (like the need for short and long term manufacturing paths/practices, drafts on cast parts, etc.) are actually things that would have been standard practice for skilled people over a year ago.
Just so you know, Aptera is in Berlin right now at Desertfest. There are videos on it.
I hope to watch new videos, but there are so many comments to respond to first. Have I created a monster?
Conned by two vids of a grunge group. By the name on the wall they looked like they are called 'Apiera' but then I saw the T stroke was way down. I first thought it was an all-girl band, but on closer inspection there are two of each. Oh well, no new video for me today.
@@aussieideasman8498only yourself!
What personality, what wisdom, what production.
This man knows inept like the back of his hand.
I know silly sarcasm too.
I don't think they are inept. I think their actions make them appear inept because they are not actually trying to get a vehicle to market in volume. What they are trying to do is keep this phase they are in going as long as possible and therefore make as much money as possible from 'investors' without actually moving forward at all.
You think along the same lines as I do. I made the video from the perspective that they were genuine about getting to production, but that was not how I have seen it all along - it was for the benefit of the duped; I allowed for their general perspective. The time-wasting you see is deliberate in my opinion because I believe they knew the silly trike was never fit for purpose before they made their first one in 2006-7, and before the first Alpha again in 2019-20. It's why on both occasions they only claimed stuff and never proved it, and why they have taken years to not make it to production on both occasions. It makes sense to me, but I am not hampered by irrational thinking. Of course, I make it clear that I am just thinking out loud with no professional input. Let everyone make up their own minds.
@@aussieideasman8498 I think you're approaching it in the right way if you intend to raise doubts in the minds of the deluded Aptera fans. They are likely more willing to see the owners as merely incompetent as opposed to actively evil. Either way they are going to end up losing their investment. The important thing is to stop people being conned out of any more money.
@@bluetoad2668 Not to stop anyone, but to give them information they are not getting elsewhere and allow them their choices.
Hey, I love watching your videos, they are really good. When you did voice overs with your own voice commentary , I could listen to your video at home and in the car. With the visual commentary I need to be watching the screen the whole time. Just some feedback. RUclips for me is like listening to radio and I would watch the screen only when it is relevant to. Thanks for the videos
I will try to mix up the formats, but I lean towards using text because I have a lazy streak and it's simpler to get to the upload. If Aptera get to having something meaty happen I will try to do more visual in response, but this is a time of jack-all happening. Chris A. might be hyping things up with all his "amazings" and other palaverings, but really times are boring. It's a drag watching all those Hypeno and Electric Vouch videos just looking for something new.
I took prefer the commentary 👍
I "watch" over half of RUclips with the screen face down. Much prefer audio commentary but respect the extra production work.
@@FunWithCars716 I've had 70 years of preferring to be lazy. I will try to break the habit.
@@artsmith103 I watch mine on a 14 inch OLED laptop, and sometimes on my 85 inch TV.
I get that there isn't enough material to work with on the latest AOC video, but the fact that the Steve took exception to Aptera being compared to Elio shows that it bothers him. Maybe his conscience is bothering him a little bit.
Don't worry Aussie man, in 20 years you'll be able to buy a finished one and then review it in person.
In 20 years I'll either be in nappies or six feet under.
Appreciate you doing this video, and I think it’s possibly a template for a Master Series on your part.
Specifically, perhaps by expanding and showing, step by step, all of the promises made over time, and highlighting how much of other people’s money was consumed supporting this, a few just might get why “others” are saying “Open your eyes people!”.
For months I have been asking myself, how many delays in demonstrating the progress they insisted they were going to make, have to surface, before people realize they’ve simply been sucked in?
How bad does it have to get?
The disparity, right now, today, between where they are, and all that would REALLY have to take place to deliver a quality product that you would be happy to own, is stunning.
On the good news front, I honestly think Steve @ AOC is starting to get it. His “I thought you built a prototype of the finished design and tested it” comment was a very, very positive development in my eyes.
I've been telling AOC his recent improving perspective is a good trend.
@artsmith103 Glad you’re doing it. Steve has a tough job now.
He keeps getting fed unfulfilled promises to run up the flagpole.
When fan fades to fraud you gotta take a second look at where you stand.
@@artsmith103 In a video a few days ago, I commented something similar. I felt AOC/Steve was beginning to ask the right questions. Hopefully he will bring these questions to the next interview the CEOs give him. Either get with it and build these vehicles or drop the whole thing. The Aptera trike has a certain wow factor that I like, but I simply don't trust them to actually build it.
I often remember seeing things way back and spend ten minutes searching then give up. The cretin is torn between honesty and greed. That's an improvement.
@@aussieideasman8498 I don't think it's greed for AOC and the fanboys. I think they feel they are celebrities in the save the world global warming fraud.
Aptera's May update was very sparse in details and lacking completely in pictures of progress. What fans love to deny is that Aptera has not even shown the AGV units to any of them on any tour with suspicion they were all returned. It was silly they had to focus on a few new employees after being called out for firing so many and being down to 31 at years end. Their Glassdoor reviews are very negative by those departing engineers. Finally the icing on the cake was AOC pointing out Steve Fambro's wife of course still has her job at Aptera.
Apparently AOC has another set of interview with Chris coming out soon so it will be fun to see what he now claims is happening
That wasn't the May update; it was the delayed April update. They are up for May's in a week and it will be silly for them to claim they are too busy for a second month in a row, especially when they raved about all the progress they have made. Will have to get the next visitor to hunt out the AGV's. There should be 50 by now, lol. By the look of Mrs F. it would be a brave man to sack her, lol.
Maybe the AGV's are in higbay. Since one of the ex employees took the key to the forklift, they will need to get a locksmith out to get it back up and running. That's the excuse I'd use for anyone touring the -warehouse- factory.
@@billsmith5960 There seems to be a lot going on that I miss because I only look at YT.
@@billsmith5960 You won't find the AGVs. Aptera fitted pontoons to them to retrieve the Aptera trikes they turned into boats off the coast of California. Audra mistook the wiring for rope and did a poor job tying them to the docks because the wiring is missing the connectors. Sadly both the floating Aptera bodies and AGVs are lost forever. The forklift stopped working because they needed the battery out of it as a prop for the most recent video. Now they can't figure out how to get it back in. This will push back production for at least another year, but you can check out their next investment opportunity.
@@billsmith5960 You won't find the AGVs. Aptera fitted pontoons to them to retrieve the Aptera trikes they turned into boats off the coast of California. Audra mistook the wiring for rope and did a poor job tying them to the docks because the wiring is missing the connectors. Sadly both the floating Aptera bodies and AGVs are lost forever. The forklift stopped working because they needed the battery out of it as a prop for the most recent video. Now they can't figure out how to get it back in. This will push back production for at least another year, but you can check out their next investment opportunity.
Only a minute in and it feels like I've been here for hours. Write a script next time, good lord.
I've said a million times - don't exaggerate. Feels like up to ten minutes and I might have believed you aren't lying.
@@Torrent.Amador At least I had it to begin with. If you think I have forgotten reasons why Aptera will succeed you are welcome to list them instead of asking silly questions or making baseless comments. I still eat your kind for breakfast.
@@aussieideasman8498 lmfao how old even are you? You look at least 80, and you behave like a 14 year old
@@Torrent.Amador I'm an ugly 70. So how familiar are you with playing with 14 year-old's?
@@aussieideasman8498 dude it's been 4 days can you stop spamming my comment?
Here's a fun fact. West Coast Shipping can put a car in a shipping container in California, load it on a ship, and have it in Italy for about 2500 USD. They can do air freight for less than 10,000 USD. So I don't know why Aptera is saying it costs them 45,000 USD. Sure, double it for the return home, but still that is less than half what they claimed. I don't know what they pay these firms to test their prototypes, so maybe that is where the rest of the money went.
Here's a thought - Aptera finds someone to do it for $5k and invoice them for $45k, then they split the 40 under the table and each has a big brown paper bag. Just a thought, but one I have had since I first heard of them.
@@aussieideasman8498 You could be right. I can't help but think that Google was once a partner with them until they parted ways the first time. This time Google and seemingly all other tech companies don't want to have anything to do with this new version of Aptera. It could be due to questionable practices and ethics.
I will say the same about Aptera as I did about Elio. They could have by now built a kit version of this car without the solar. It could have been similar to the beta trike, sold the kit to DIY people like me, and grow the business to include a complete refined version with the solar and all the fancy options.
Aussie, you could be right. I can't help but think that Google was once a partner with them until they parted ways the first time. This time Google and seemingly all other tech companies don't want to have anything to do with this new version of Aptera. It could be due to questionable practices and ethics.
I will say the same about Aptera as I did about Elio. They could have by now built a kit version of this car without the solar. It could have been similar to the beta trike, sold the kit to DIY people like me, and grow the business to include a complete refined version with the solar and all the fancy options.
@@JoeBManco The backing of Google was all they needed first time around - IF the silly trike worked. The government loans they chased and couldn't get were chickenfeed compared to Google's petty cash. Google discovered the skin cooling was a crock after the X-Prize overheating debacle and Aptera couldn't prove that it would ever be viable. It was only natural that Google would cut their losses and never go back. Other companies know this, so when AM re-started they went for crowdfunding. They just couldn't tell the gullible public that no big company would touch them again - always hinting that one was just around the corner.
$45K is correct for airfreight. I know this as when we have sent racecars to Europe for a race, it's done via airfreight. The bill is about what was quoted.
Thing is, Aptera had a post up that it sat in customs for three weeks. Steve said it was CBP was closed on weekends. So two different stories from Aptera. One was finally pulled. In the end, there was no way it sat for three weeks in customs. Any freight forwarder knows how the system works for getting a car from point A to B via air. Plus what the timeline is.
I suspect they waited right until the end to do this and Steve was banking on everything working 100% perfect without any room for error. Thus why it was late. Then I feel that Chris and Steve disagreed on sending it as there's no reason why Chris was complaining about spending $45K. Either he was expecting that the Gamma be sent via ship for $5K and that never happened due to reasons, thus the last minute bill inflated another $40K.
So, no transparency. Just confusion yet the fans suck it up as it's all a positive.
I honestly didn’t expect, when I first started watching this a year ago, that people could possibly accept such a low level of performance and still defend whatever Aptera does as admirable.
I’ve never actually seen a cult up close before, so it’s been a unique experience for me. People have been convinced to hand over their objectivity in exchange for Aptera telling them what to think.
I guess a lot of it comes from ignorance. If you haven’t actually conceived a product, developed it, set up the manufacture, produced it, supported it, generated revenue on a sustained basis, then you’re open to being led down a path of accepting someone else’s version of what that must be like.
So little was done correctly over the past year, so much opportunity lost, that it’s going to get really ugly now.
One of the most astounding things has been the energy spent by many distinguishing between Aptera 1 and Aptera 2. Aptera 1 didn’t actually happen/count but if it did, what was learned was that the founders should not lose control. How do fans not get a) That they lost control because they weren’t viable the first time either, and b) Now that they have control they still don’t know what to do with it?
The new finance company they were desperate to hire is going to conflict with the old scam. I think the fan boys will get thrown under the bus. Play time is over.
Doing a quick search for Roush and Aptera brings up a social media post and other articles about how Roush is expediting the testing and development of Aptera in August 2021. So, in March 2022, Aptera was ready to fill the factory with tooling and get those trikes out to the public. I would be curious to know how those customers are getting along with their two-year-old Aptera trikes. Oh wait, the factory is still empty. In today's Aptera Owner's Club video, he took exception to Aptera being compared to Elio Motors. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, but if it smells kind of cheesy, it is.
The latest vid from AOC was so poor it didn't give me anything to speak of. No video will be made from that. At least this one allowed me to compare the past and remind fanboys that they have been lied to often enough that they should not believe a word the snake oil salesmen are saying more recently. Danisi is more likely just another overseas stunt where money can be lost to brown paper bags. When was the last time they contracted with an American supplier?
@@aussieideasman8498craptera lol
The fun with Elio is that they reached the 25k mark in reservations in 18 months, Aptera needed 19 months, and Elio crossed the 50k mark in 36 months and Aptera has yet to do so in 41 months. Many of Elio motors reservations were not refundable and higher than $100, up to $1000.
@@andromedach - It took Elio 52 months to get to the magic number of 65K (that was when they were going to stop taking reservations). 57K of them were non refundable and the rest were. That breaks down to $26M in non refundable and $2M in refundable. 21K of them signed a commit to buy (so when Elio came out with anything, you had to buy it).
I looked at it as it was not enough interest in the product because Elio was planning on 250K units per year. The superfans believed that once the Elio hit the streets, the sales would skyrocket.
Same battle cry for Arcimoto. Now that company is auctioning off all of their equipment, shut down and even no phone service or email. All existing owners (about 1K) are left with bricked FUV's and nobody to service them or get parts. Even though they rented them out and they were on the street, the sales never came. Since the CEO was an idiot and went on a spending spree for things not related to the FUV, that didn't help the situation.
The SOLO was to take off too once it hit the streets. Yet it didn't and that whole scenario is a debacle. Good thing is the company bought back most of them and they now are into contract manufacturing. So at least something happened.
Will Aptera be the hit of the century when they are on the road. History shows it won't Maybe this time it'll be different.
Aptera pulled an Elio. Elio, the prototypes were tube frame and SMC bodies. Pre production prototypes became unibody and steel bodies. All of that happened during and right after the IPO. A major shift.
Just like what Aptera is doing now. Major shift in the chassis and body right when they were going through the accelerator program.
Look at us all being chatterboxes over here @ Troll Central!
I can't believe over 1.2k views and 147 comments.
@aussieideasman8498
I think the next step in the evolution will be a methodical, serious, and objective review of the pivotal 6/6 Aptera Overview.
Aptera has a shot if they can lay out definitive, logical, acheivable milestones and go actually click them off.
The whole “wiring harness” thing that went dark is/was ridiculous. They heavily and openly set the expectation of the drivable PI.2 for April. Currently, no one has a clue where anything stands.
My point is that we/you have attracted enough attention wherein “potshots taken” are no more required than the blind parroting of claims by the fans.
Art Smith and I recently attracted the attention of a GullWing… fan. Instead of addressing any of our keypoints the fan just went into insult mode. Absolutely did not address our concerns. Not one.
I remain up for our collective overview of Aptera but I caution that we’re to the point where we don’t want to be petty.
We want to take the topic, state our opinion, lay out the foundation for the opinion, and invite the fans, if they want, to make their counterpoints.
Just my thought of the day and totally open to any response anyone cares to offer. Especially you as it’s your site!
@@bobhellman8676 - I do receive my monthly check from the big 3 for trolling. It's something many really need to get into. I was looking into being a paid shill but that didn't pay as much. I go for the money.
Gullwingfan is a really good person. Very intelligent and good with conversation. One liner insults just get to the point and no need to waste bandwidth on staying on subject. It's just like the ambassador. Follows me around and deflects because he can't respond to the original conversation. So, I believe that Aptera encourages this behavior and does give these people kickbacks in the form of being an ambassador or just allowing them to talk to the CEO. It's an incentive.
I could be wrong but I might as well go into their world of conspiracies and thus, use their own thought process against them.
@@bobhellman8676 I did not get many of these comments in my notifications. I have just decided to review all comments by most recent and I discover a lot. YT is a mystery to me. I'm all for detailed reviews of their prototypes, but no review can be done of an Aptera because none exists yet. I'm all for saying something is silly as long as it's silly, and don't like people saying it when a statement makes sense. It is proper that way, and no other. To use PC overboard is just interference. Nobody has a level head these days. I would rather ignore PC altogether than block a person for a well deserved insult.
@@billsmith5960 This also missed my notifications. BTW - who's Gullwingfan?
Aptera videos started showing up in my YT feed. Then I see fundraising pitches. Why would any investor want to go in on a new EV mfgr when market is saturated and China is delivering massive numbers if them. Investment scam, clearly.
You'll never convince the fanboys.
@@aussieideasman8498 Never gonna. Never gonna try. The value of Aptera: testing scam recognition abilities. (This was like an introductory one for those who might be interested in detecting -- not hard.)
Ahh the Munro cult again.
Since Corey left Munro isn't believable. The Tesla spam from Munro is unbelievable lately, so this non manufacturer is at another level entirely.
When Arcimoto went belly despite a more developed product, Aptera was on borrowed time again.
It was the old footage of theirs that mentioned Munro. If you watch anything recent you won't find them dropping his name.
Don’t know if you guys caught this, but Drew from Tailosive EV is now working with Telo trucks.
And I think this is a beautiful thing.
I commented, when he did his first Telo video, that he should pay attention to what they are doing and saying because it is such a sharp contrast to the Aptera debacle.
I cheered when he actually pointed out that a) Telo is all about testing their mule, and, get ready for it, b) that the Telo’s width is ideal for fitting a parking space!
So this is good.
I believe Telo is going to, with what they’re doing, embarrass the crap out of Aptera. I honestly think they are going to follow through on an extremely useful contribution while Aptera continues to sink on their 2Wide also-ran.
When Drew swallowed/launched on that “Viable @ 6,000 units/year” Aptera hyperclaim, he deserved a smack.
BUT, the boy is actually on track now. All good.
I like the Telo because it just makes logical sense.
Of course the monster 3C battery pack and the 500 hp is what really sold me, but we’ll just not bring that up again.
I say Telo ships and Aptera never does.
I'm sure he'll put his motormouth to good use, lol. I may be a troll, but he's an internet whore as far as I can tell.
Telo is not made of CF, no hub motors, no skin cooling, not efficient. So, Aptera is the way to go. If Telo just made it look like the Aptera, wait..... If Telo would give up and take all of their resources and give it to Aptera, that would be the best idea.
@aussieideasman8498
Hey, ho’s are people too!
A number people said they didn’t know about Telo until Drew’s first video, and that once they did, they reserved one.
From my perspective, I think it’s great. Anticipating that there will now be a lot of play by play on the development.
The first video offered a little dissertation by one of the founders on why they are able to substitute the short nose for a typical long nose/engine configuration and still meet the frontal crash requirement. Cool was that the founder has more technical aptitude in his little finger than CA in his complete existence.
Telo asked Drew to join them.
As much as you want to tell him to “take a breath” at times, I think it will be really good.
If you plot the curve of Telo, they make it. If you plot the curve of Aptera, they don’t.
@billsmith5960 It pains me to hear you say that in a fun way.
I did speculate what Telo could do if they had the budget Aptera’s pissed away.
And some people said Telo should turn to Aptera for help as “they are so much further along [NOT]. And some said they should seek out Munro [NOPE], and some said Aptera will make it and Telo won’t [Because they’ve done so well thus far?].
Fortunately, the Telo guys likely have held up Aptera as the guiding light of what not to do.
@@billsmith5960 Still being sarcastic.
Forget about suspension. They have way more problems with the heat exchange system. That thing just keep on overheating. It did again in Abu Dhabi (where it was supposed to impress some rich arabs for more funding)
I reckon they did the suspension video just to take minds off the heat system. It's interesting you say it overheated in Abu D because Steve said they did "tons of laps in the hot day without a problem", not paraphrasing exactly. Perhaps sitting waiting to cool is not a problem to them, lol? Or maybe Steve just lied? Do you have evidence there was an overheating situation?
Aptera has lots of problems. The "to do" list is long. It all now depends what they want to tackle first.
@@billsmith5960 Facial disguises and fake passports?
@@aussieideasman8498 - That's easy. Just get a private jet and fly to Venezuela. Problem solved.
@@billsmith5960now I see where you hang out and why you are a double talker! You are a pathetic FAKE Bill Smith! If that's your real name!
The various news about suspension testing rang absurd to me as well. Aptera is clearly much farther away from actual production than its fans think. Probably years, at best. But why anyone would buy one instead of a Nissan Leaf for less is hard to imagine. And in a few years there will be lots of real EV's that are cheaper, while Aptera will be raising its price because it isn't building any vehicles, just videos.
Your view is probably the most prominent, but fanboys like to think they are the greater in number and try all the dirty tricks to make it look that way.
Great summary of the empty Aptera promises over the years.
Thank, and welcome back.
I was watching the very silly latest vid from Hillbilly Bill at Free Power when I read this comment. Since he blocks me, I figured I would respond here.
@richardryley3660
5 hours ago (edited)
[I'm hoping that there are no plans to "discard" Beta.] I'm hoping they don't, so that the authorities can properly test them for false advertising, but I fear it will be cannibalized for parts; they are always short of them.
[It will probably be put up for display at Aptera HQ along with Gamma and the Alphas and we customers won't see it again.] Not likely, since HQ will be leased to someone else after a fire sale auction.
[But it will be retained for its historical value.] Seen any 2e's around? Try to find the one from the X-Prize?
[Back in March, when Aptera announced that Beta would be going to Italy for testing, I was a bit confused.] So you should be.
[Like you, I had assumed Beta had been thoroughly tested,] No need to assume - they SAID it was.
[and CPC was designing the PI suspension.] CPC don't design anyone's suspensions. I have never heard they would do it for Delta's.
[It appeared from Steve's words] Steve who? - the snake oil salesman or the cretin?
[that CPC was finalizing the details of the suspension,] Too little too late for that. They have wasted 3 years.
[in terms of bearings and rod length,] What bearings go into suspensions? I know of none. Rod lengths are arbitrary. Try a few and pick one in a day.
[and wanted to do real world testing.] They have had about 1,000 days, and they aren't testing it when it's in Italy - Danisi is.
[I didn't think Beta would be useful because It doesn't have the PI suspension.] Not when you can't buy a Beta, so you are dead right.
[With this update it's a bit clearer, and I probably misunderstood.] Tell us what made it clearer?
[Chris mentions "frequency slip" and harsh deceleration.] Can be tested in the carpark, or at least Chuckwalla.
[Frequency slip appears to refer to the motors,] Then it's not suspension.
[and how vibration of the suspension can cause loss of power going into the motors.] All suspensions vibrate - an inescapable function of the roads and speeds. Anyhow, power goes in from the battery and the suspension is external to that system. Your kitchen appliances vibrate, as do most power tools, and they don't affect their motors drawing power.
[Or coming out of the motors, for regenerative braking.] Then Beta needs regen to test that - It doesn't have it. Nothing clarified yet.
[Notice how the initial testing of Beta focused on the eventual crash testing,] No; because I wouldn't call running into a kerb crash testing. What else did you see them do?
[testing the characteristics of the body against the simulation.] It wasn't anything to do with the body which was half built anyhow. It was all a crock and you were conned by two faked comparison graphs.
[The suspension testing was a separate part of the test,] Not when they claim it was suspension tested; then other tests are separate to it but even they mentioned none.
[mostly under rapid acceleration,] Results are the same for deceleration. A shock absorber doesn't know which way it's driving, lol.
[or vibration] If this was done, no need for an Italian repeat over two years later.
[or curb collision.] Ditto, but I reckon they accidentally hit something and passed it off as a successful kerb collision test.
[This is just speculation, but I think CPC pointed out some missed details in the testing,] CPC only make body parts, and knew nothing nor cared about the suspension. Nor did they get test details from Chuckwalla.
[mainly the reaction of the suspension to rapid deceleration.] Acceleration is faster than deceleration, so that's the one to test.
[None of the tests in Italy were about the body,] Nobody claimed they were.
[they were just testing the suspension of Beta.] And it wasn't CPC, but some random, when Roush had a presence in Italy. It is just as senseless as what I put in my video.
[Chris does not say that the suspension in Italy is ready, but he doesn't say it isn't ready either.] That's how he rolls. He talks but says nothing.
[All he says is they are waiting for it to arrive in CA so they can put it in PI1.] Taking Beta to Italy is not waiting for it to come to CA - they just had no reason for it to leave. PI.1 is not getting suspension; PI.2 is supposed to, but we'll see?
[It may still need to be tested in PI2,] It shouldn't. That would be retrograde in the process.
[but it can be delivered on its final form for inclusion in PI1.] There are to be 16 PI's and only one Beta to cannibalize - what are you talking about?
[I interpret this as meaning that either PI2 has been built in Italy] CPC is slow to send over any more parts than for PI.1 so don't go thinking they have built the model that some say will be for presentation work in the US. That's a stretch - they wouldn't know how to start.
[and they are satisfied with the final design,] They are always satisfied with designs but never come up with anything other than half-baked fake prototypes.
[or they foresee no problems with the suspension during validation in Italy] You really shouldn't interpret at all.
3 years to builda go -kart bahahaha
Worse than that if you count the 2006-2011 Aptera.
They knocked it up in a few months - it was a further two years to test the suspension. Go figure?
I have a comment in my notifications from a Joe B Manco that says he gets deleted by YT. It doesn't show up here, so I thought I would let others know. YT does have strange goings on with their system. I have never blocked anyone - I would have to learn how if I ever wanted to.
A lot of good points about Aptera's ever-shifting story on the suspension parts. Watching updates over the years, that struck me as something they changed their story on too many times. If they wanted to steal the money though, they're doing a fairly bad job of it. They paid millions to get the tooling done for the body. Maybe there's kickbacks from some of these vendors. If they haven't shipped any by this time next year, it might be time for investors to admit defeat.
It has been used as a reason for AM to be genuine, but I don't buy it because they know they have to spend money to make money. While they say it was millions for the CF smc parts tooling, I say it was maybe a third of that and two-thirds has found its way into brown paper bags, while the take was in the tens of millions for doing it.
A crook thinks everybody is a crook! Shame on you for being a crook!
@@gmv0553 Shame on you for being a f001.
Honestly, I didn't understand the nature of your criticism here.. Are you saying it's pretty much a scam operation? I thought the project would just come to a screeching halt at the manufacturing phase, but it seems like it's very far away even from that. Which is a shame, the prototypes look cool af
You really need to see results on a full-on Delta vehicle or 3 before there’s any clarity as to what they’ve really got.
The ball’s always been in their court to convert talk to results.
The nature of my criticism here is that what they did with Beta indicates they are inept. I have over 130 videos that go further in saying my opinion is they are scamming for a second time. I formed the opinion that Aptera version one was a clever and successful Ponzi scheme. I am pretty unique in thinking this but we all think differently. Nobody has to agree with me. I deal in facts and never call my opinions facts.
They are not yet at the manufacturing phase because making what they have made is too little to make a vehicle. Nor do they have plant equipment or supplies. Those are facts.
APTERA!!
Seriously mate....you need a hobby. Or a purpose. Aptera is destined for success and production whatever you post or postulate. Gardening? Origami? China painting?
I agree. Aptera is fully funded and production starts in February 2025. It's a fact. So, just wait until that date and then come back to tell him how he wasted his time on a product that is guaranteed to be a success.
It's not about me. Seriously.
@@aussieideasman8498 - That person is just a driveby superfan. I doubt you will see any more of that poster. It's because they can only throw insults.
@@billsmith5960 I have just read the comments on AOC's latest and they talk about me in some. There's some panic setting in, lol.
@@aussieideasman8498 - It is interesting. It shows that they actually watch your videos. This latest one has them questioning Aptera.
Hope your healing quickly Aussie! The fanboys as you call them are grasping at straws. No one has mentioned why they are testing suspension on Beta and not with the BINC as the data will be different. Body flex and vibration will be inherently different. It's just wasted time and money for show.
I agree, the beta lacks the solar panels, glass, doors, and component placement that will be in the production intent prototypes. Assuming they tested anything at all, the results would be nearly useless.
The Beta’s best feature was the front weight stack option.
If you’re doing a moose test with a 3-wheeler, that is indeed the ticket.
The Delta LeadNose should be the followup.
Every day is painful around the shoulder and ribs. It's not quick healing by any means. I will go for scans next week to see what's going on. Monitoring Aptera keeps me sane as I sit around a lot.
@@JoeBManco Those CPC doors may be light, but not when the glass; the steel bar; the hinges; the window motor and the lining are all added. And for the rest; what about the solar; the hatch; the aircon; and most importantly the hundreds of kilo's that are not in the 45 kWh battery, since theirs would be about ten?
@@bobhellman8676 The weight stack was a gimmick to fool the gullible. What they had was a weighted nose to compensate for the battery being further back in the trunk rather than under the seats, which without it would have had the tail spinning out too soon.
History has proven that electric vehicles with either hub motors, three wheels or solar cells on the roof are doomed to failure. Aptera is thus thrice doomed.
But they did a survey, lol.
@@aussieideasman8498 I forgot to add one more prophesier of doom: Surface cooling. My late father was a fan of large single cylinder stationary engines, with huge flywheels and a 12 gallon water tank for cooling. The tank used surface cooling. Worked about as well as you would expect.........
I feel bad for Bruce. All the energy he’s put into supporting and defending Aptera in his own inimitable way, and he’s never going to get his vehicle, he just doesn’t know it yet.
It honestly makes me hope I am wrong about Aptera, but a lifetime of doing this work the right way tells me I’m not, unfortunately.
You could be like the FUV people. They finally made it to production and now they are out of luck with something that nobody will want. Then many are bricked. It's like spending $25K for something that is worth about $10K after 2 years.
@@billsmith5960 That sort of loss is normal depreciation in the new car business.
My wife’s’18 Dual Motor Model 3 is likely only worth 1/3 what we paid for it.
Good thing she keeps things forever.
@@bobhellman8676 - The FUV's are plummeting in price. Company is done and parts that go bad (i.e. the board charger) and ones that wear out (i.e. the brakes) are becoming very scarce. People figured it out and are dumping them.
The latest is a 2022 with only 1700 miles on the clock. Went for $9900. They only sold around 1K of them so it's not like there's a big market for someone to pick up the slack for parts and repair. One guy found a place to make the brake rotors. He needed to place an order of 1000 for them to want to make the rotor. Thus, I suspect he doesn't have the money to buy 1000 brake rotors up front.
@billsmth5960
Aptera is well on their way to designing the next orphan.
But they have to ship something first.