Voidstrike 2nd blessing should be "Transfer Peril", "Quell 2-5% of your Peril on Weak Spot Hit": with that perk you can non-stop hammer hordes as long as you hit some headshots because "weakspot hit" count multiple times based on how many weak spots you hit with the same projectile (IMHO with that combo you can easily bump it to S tier). About Purgatus being S tier... I'm not sure about it: maybe I was unlucky, but all the psykers I met using that staff struggled against hordes because they can stagger it, but they can't kill it... I've tried it, but found it lacking. EDIT: correct some engRish
indeed, voidstrike with transfer peril can drop 10-15% of peril with a single smite, combine it with faster charge rate and bigger blast radius and you have a deadly cc weapon. Purgatus requires constant spamm of basic attack in order to stagger mobs, which will hit you anyway while of fire. With voidstrike you can engane distant targets and control in cqb. Enemy either dead or on their asses, in both cases they do not close distance and do not attack you. Purgatus is just too limit, and flamer of a zealot outperforms purgatus in every way possible.
I've noticed people use voidstrike's explosion effect on the ground instead of using it like a linear headshot machine. It's a monster of a weapon and should be S tier. It's falloff point is it's left click ability damage, it's pretty low.
Purgatus is easy S tier, but with right build. I can kill horde with it, including big elites. True is it takes few seconds, but they will all die.. Stagger is also great. Only problem for me as psyker are ranged shooters, that's pain in the ass for sure :D
@@punkypony5165 because crit chance is irrelevant most of the time. If we check stats for staffs, crit chance and crit damage are kinda meh. Hence we deal with hordes mostly so i prefer transfer peril and + damage on 2nd and 3rd strikes.
With 150 hrs on just the psyker this isn't a bad list but it's really leaving out all the little tricks. I really feel most of your stuff should be dropped by one tier (since C tier should be avg) Dagger is great being paired with purgatous. Move fast and bleed what doesn't burn. Force sword 100% in S tier. Honestly I've cleared T5 without pulling out my ranged weapon because of how strong this is (crucian roulette cheese strat). Clasp is 3m aoe stagger (push is 2m). Clasp allows you to walk through hordes with 0 issues on damnation. You can even stagger lock the horde to prevent additional spawns making some encounters jokes. Anyone who uses FS knows light heavy is the main combo. Then you can the run soulfire on crit blessing and use an empty crucian roulette autogun to get 100% soulfire crits. Such a versatile weapon. If you have the space and atk timing you can even tank the demonhost with FS. You don't talk about animation cancels with surge and voidstrike. Really makes these weapons much stronger and cast much faster. My thoughts: S: force sword, surge A: dueling blade, purgatus, voidstrike B: Dagger, axes with brutal momentum, other dueling blade, C: axes, other swords,recon lasgun (vld/vlla) D: trauma, chainsword, other guns
This, and the infinite (with the minus peril on weak spot hit boon) very quick spam (with animation cancel) rocket launcher void strike …. then tier list miss some big (broken) combo but it is hard to master all classes
@@cyberlau13 With the surge staff you can weapon swap or sprint to cancel the lightning animation to instantly do the dmg and skip the long animation. Then there is the most broken bug in the game for infinite peril allowing you to completely ignore the overload animation. But that completely breaks the game so I don't want to say how that's done.
@_ Thank you. I've done a lot of testing and have used/attempted every weapon in T4s. I've found prioritizing impact/stagger values has led to more runs succeding than anything else (at least with psyker).
Great feedback though I stand by my selections I do agree on pretty much every point you've brought up. I am aware of global interactions between weapons like crucian roulette but I've left them out because I'm not sure they're intentional and also there is no definitive way to test them. I mean by this we don't have weapon buff indications or accurate ways to test damage output. as for animation cancelling on surge staff makes sense for quicking chain CC but for the voidstrike I think the damage fall off for not fully charging is too high of a trade off. Thanks again, I love thoughtful comments like this!
you can also use any force staff with warp nexus if you dont want to go gun psyker, though it doesnt get you the max crit rate (id prefer flame staff since stacks faster from crits and works well synergy wise). From the testing that ive done, every single crit blessing affects melee, you just need to be able to have its requirements met while in melee
Lighting staff is just offt I love that weapon. I don't get massive kill tallys but I'm able constantly stun shit an completely help my team. The range able to actually touch gunners in cover is huge. I run a full sword staff build im on high peril for a long time an use the 5% toughness to boost per 10% perils so freaking good.
if you playing support-cc-style lightning staff - i found a different build to be more effective: lvl 5: Replenish 30% Toughness over 5 seconds on gaining Warp Charge (synergizes with lvl 15 talent) lvl 10: +6% Peril Resistance per Warp Charge (synergizes with lvl 25 talent, giving up to 36% peril resistance) lvl 15: Whenever you or an ally in Coherency kills an enemy, you have 4% chance to gain a Warp Charge. (you dont pop brains, so you need to get charges somehow) lvl 20: Take between 10% and 33% reduced Toughness damage from ranged attacks based on Peril (you dont use sword, so this is the only talent, that gives you consistent benefits) lvl 25: You can store up to 6 Warp Charges (synergizes with lvl 30 talent, reducing it's cd by 75%) lvl 30: Using Unleash the Warp removes all souls and reduces the cooldown by 12.5% for each Warp Charge removed. In addition, any time you would generate a Warp Charge, you now instead generate 2 Warp Charges (makes your F ability always be available. Cannot confirm if it works with lvl 5 talent tho) the way these talent work with each other is insane. And you can zap enemies all day
I think the surge staff deserves to be noted as a fantastic counter to ranged mobs in addition to the superb cc you noted. This is due to the staff's excellent damage against flak armor, which most ranged mobs use.
Strongly stand by the value of deflector. It takes time to learn when to best use it, but it can be used to close gaps against ranged enemies, block shotgunners, used in tandem with infinite dodges to safely maneuver out in the open, and yes also redirect fire from teammates which can be useful in certain situations. It's especially useful when using the purgatus staff, as you have an effective way to defend yourself from shooters while you close the distance.
gotta love that Surge staff CCing and killing those gunner blobs. I really appreciate the range enabling your team to close the gap or shoot them while they twitch.
A point on tact axe. (brutal momentum still necessary) I entirely disagree with you that tact is weak against horde. The issue is because you are using tact mk5 which only has diagonal lights (which do NOT do enough damage in T4/5) Mk8 and mk2 are kings of horde control. Use push attack > heavy for mk8 (you get 2 diagonal swings which couple well with BM blessing) All 3 attacks (push attack, both heavies) are ALL diagonal for mk2 (my preferred tact axe). You can even control the entire horde with H>H combo alone. Both also do decent stunning crushers on heavy headshot. Force sword is currently the only weapon in the game with near infinite RANGED blocking (shield for ogryn is the only other one but stamina don't recover while taking damage, but peril auto quells). Also it's the easiest weapon in the game to get a ONE shot on mutant with the warp charged heavy swing (and easily one shots every armored mob bar crusher). Because of this, its the best weapon to pair with purg staff. Also you mentioned "vertical swings" of the force sword, you're sort of using it's combo wrong. L > H are two horizontal swings. Add a block to reset and you have L > H > block cancel combo which is effectively a horde clearing weapon. So again I disagree on that point. Overall good rankings for most other weapons. I am currently making a video on horde control with a few of the most common weapons. I'm done with mk5 combat axe and mk8 tact axe. My potato PC requires praying to the machine spirit within for it to record successfully, so it's difficult to record more. You can take a look when its done, so I don't look like "I'm talking out of my arse" when it comes to my points above on tact and force sword horde control mechanics.
I didn't notice that sweep limits u were talking about for chainsword... For hordes u use heavy loop it goes through high density hordes with ease, or am i wrong?
Id argue the force sword isnt meant to be a horde clearer, it is meant to deal with anything foolish enough to past your staff. You can still deal with groups if you do your part but yeah not meant for hordes its more for single target. Also i love deflector it has saved me from getting knocked over by suprise gunners more times than i can remember
Who cares that it meant to be, use light-heavy-cancel and it becomes horde clearer anyway. Dude who made this video barelly knows that he is talking about, i doubt he ever tested anything and i doubt even more that he ever beated damnation
Agree, with that pattern heavy is an horizontal swipe. And this "melee - ranged" combined tier list doesn't really make sense, as some melee / range combination are more effective than others. So a particular range / melee weapon is going to be in a tier relative to the other weapon equipped, and or the play style, focus or versatily you are after.
While I agree staves are probably the better option I don’t think all guns fall into F tier. Options like the MG12 lasgun, mk7 recon lasgun and mk1 infantry autogun are all solid B tier picks on Psyker. Psyker brings value to the team through the inherent elite damage bonus, team CDR with Psykinetic’s aura and arguably the best reviver with kinetic deflection. Additionally, brain burst can help make tough opponents like the bulwark much easier to deal with. I don’t disagree that you would probably deal more damage as a vet. Or even be less fragile. But I think gun psyker is a viable choice and not straight F tier. What I do think sucks is without full crafting right now some weapons are only good IF you get high base stats, decent perks and the right blessing. Tier lists are kind of hard when you say “this weapon is great if the stars align and you get this load out”.
Warp sword lets you aggro all the shooters onto you, as shooters focus the first target, and dont change until you break line of sight. The peril block feat lets youdo it forever. Its one of the best ways to get out of a shooter hoard.
The block push can hold back a horde as well if spammed and cancelled before you do the follow up push, great if you get rushed during reloads or quelling
Quell blessing on Force Sword is mandatory. It's an incredibly good weapon. I leveled psyker with 4/5 duelling swords. For different builds and playstyles both Force Sword and Duelling Swords are possibly S.
The only thing I would say regarding the deflector on the Force Sword is that you can use it more than just for standing in the open and look cool - example, there was a group of 4 ranged, I walked up to them with the Deflector Blessing, knocked them back, breathed fire and they where dead much faster than I could pop them. So when combined with movement it is actually better than you give it credit for but I agree with the rest Psyker wise
I dont think a kantreal las gun should be listed as F on any character, it is the foundation of all weapon's to exist in this game. It is consistant on basically any character, you can say it isn't S tier like it is on veteran but this is a bit excessive. Gunslinger builds do exist for psyker so I dont really see why claim that it is F tier (F tier should imply that it is useless, it is not).
I'd put the Blaze Force Sword in S+ myself. The Saber has the mobility advantage and Kinetic Deflection synergy, but Blaze Force with Deflector has saved MANY runs where I was able to revive the whole team in the middle of a Horde without taking damage or being interrupted.
I intend to test that mix for myself but my only ones with Deflector are very early/ low roll weapons so far. I don't mind experimenting with other things though... ...in Malice.
@@OffToBattle Its very worth. I have a 456 Dueling Sword with perfect stats on it, and I find myself running a 425 Force Sword with Deflector more often just because of the survivability. Nothing more satisfying than being able to clutch revive your whole team by Deflecting every attack on you and then force pushing everything back.
I disagree with trauma staff. If you roll a God tier version of it like mine, 375 stat line, 505 overall, the rending and cast speed blessing. It does what all the other staves do. Ccs better than lightning cuz knocking an enemy to the ground lasts longer than the short stun of surge. It also does more more damage than surge. You don't need to spam it lol, 2 or 3 blasts per mob is all u need and with 80% quell speed I can nearly spam it especially in hordes because it kills a bunch per blast which lowers ur peril. So yes it has more dmg, aoe, and cc than fire staff and again all of this applies to Void. You don't need to spam it, your roll as a psyker using a staff is aoe/cc/kill mobs and it's does all.of that in one blast. Also when you knock enemies down if they don't die, you can quell all the way down by the time they get back up and just chain cc them more than surge could especially with surge having a 6 target limit
I remember that comment you received about not playing enough! It's a shame you had to respond to that. I'm happy with your tier list and yes, the assault chainsword is a cool idea but struggles in higher difficulty combat, and I've tried making the force sword work, but it's not perfect, something experience taught me! Take care, hope to see you out in the field someday.
With the coming of the class update, a lot of things have changed. Namely, the guns are good now since there's a whole skill that works with them now, where each gun falls individually is up to debate though, but I'd say the laspistol, shredder pistol and recon lasrifles are pretty good while the gun with least synergy would be the stub revolver(notably, the damage bonuses of gun psycher do make the stubby a boss shredder, but the damage boosts are wasted on most of it's shots otherwise). Surge staff is also significantly stronger now.
I've actually found that the MkV dueling sword is my favorite. You may already be aware, but the combo between the heavy and special attack makes for a super fast combo that does a ton of quick damage to a pressuring elite. I main the force sword because of all of its utility, but the MkV is a close second IMHO
Deflector is an excellent closing tool. I use it to close the distance with shooters to suppress them with purgatus so the team can follow in. With enough block eff you can make 20-30m through open ground getting blasted.
I’ve heard a lot of opinions about blessings for the Purgatus Staff. Do Warp Flurry and Nexus increase raw damage? I have seen the suppression one on kill recommended too, as well as focused channeling so you never get interrupted. What do you think?
One weapon I'd like to add would be the Recon Lasgun, preferably the Mk.VII. It's a great choice for dealing with hordes while leveling up, before you can get hold of a staff with decent stats, especially since it has decent range combined with it's high rate of fire.
Very awesome run down. But I hard disagree with Surge staff being A and not S tier. One thing I hate about the the Purgatus staff is the extreme short range on everything, and I would place it A tier for that reason.
Trauma Staff is actually S tier if you roll BiS that has max quell speed, charge time and blast radius and for heresy or lower - goes down to A tier at Damnation unfortunately because of the second blast needed to kill groups. The ability to control/ aim a huge stagger and on elites if your screen is full of horde units is huge. The issue with surge staff is you cannot pick who to stunlock - and if you're in a situation where your staggering walkers instead of the bulwark, reapers or Crusher approaching in the backing winding up their strike, you and your team are in for a bad time if they lack horde clear. The staff is definatly D tier if you have terrible stat's on it - but don't discount it as only D tier- it proportionally increases in usefulness the higher you can max our Quellspeed> charge time> blast radius >damage >warp resistance. It's literlly an infinite veteran grenade button
I’d have to agree with pretty much all of what you said. Though I think some weapons like chainsword could have been moved down a tier to make it a bit less top heavy. “If everyone is super, no one will be.” Having a bit more evenly spaced weapons I think makes sense and imo a lot of the cata swords are not A tier. Staff ranks I agree with 100%. Force sword I agree with you about poor normal damage output and attack pattern, but the dodge and push make it excellent defensively and with the charged attack for close elite kills, it’s just my fav. But A seems suitable so no complaints
With deflector I think Force sword belongs beside the duellist in S tier Also with the recent rebalances all staffs are around A tier especially so you aren't hoovering up ammo on the rest of your team.
I agree with 95% of the analysis. I'm around 250 hours with psyker with mostly dueling sword. I think the mk5 is the best one due to the heavy attack spam and dodge range paired with surge for any difficulty
Thanks man, apprieicate the kind feedback. Where'd you have the MK1 Too, and what you running on it? I certain there is sleeper builds out there and I'm super keen to try them out!
@Dalkora I would put it at A tier. I have one that has 495 total power and it has tier 3 Raking Fire (25% damage increase if shooting in the back.) And tier 3 Terrifying Barage (garbage suppression mechanic doesn't seem to do much half the time). Talents would be: +Toughness on elite kill +20% reload if ammo remains +Grenade regen on elite kill +Deadshot or 30% reload on elite kill.(They both have their own merits. Deadshot kills stuff faster but can leave you vulnerable to melee attacks because it eats up stamina.) +75 % Damage reduction while ulted +Using ult refills 60% Toughness and reloads gun. Give it a try and see what you think. Its Usually run two tougness curious and 1 HP The Agripinaa can melt specials pretty fast and if you take deadshot it can conserve some ammo because you do a tiny bit more damage overall.
I second the mk1 infantry gun being great. It’s good at long range with semi automatic tapping and good at close range with full auto hip fire. Like a nice mix between the braced and headhunter variants. But it does actual damage, unlike the headhunter guns. Only part of the gun that’s a bit of a letdown is the blessing options. It doesn’t get access to crucian roulette like other autogun variants.
Agripinaa MK1 gets a provisional 3rd vote from me aswell. Provisional on the fact that I don't have the same play time (130hrs) and mostly run on heresy combined with not having a good roll yet on my Veteran to really test it out. However on my Zealot I have a good roll and it one shots (head) snipers across the map with its single fire (like laser beam accuracy) and is good either bursting/two shot or even spraying in to groups (mostly fun but sometimes usefull if ammo isn't an issue). From the meat grinder on damnation it needs two rounds to take out a sniper which is actually quite doable and the same for most other similar ranged threats (quick bust on the tougher ones but they are normally close enough to make that an option). This is on a Zealot with a good ish roll at purple quality. Nothing I have on my Zealot comes close to its ability to mow down small groups (except flamer ofc) or out shoot the squads veteran on counter sniper duty/assist with gunner groups. Currently farming for a great roll on my Veteran to see if it works as well as it appears. At the moment on heresy my zealot with MK1 is probably better at the shooty boy role than my Veteran with any loadout. IF a god role can one tap snipers (or similar HP enemys) on Damnation then its the GOAT crazy OP needs nerf (please dont) ultimate weapon S+ tier all the way. If it can't then maybe its only A/B tier
tbh dueling sword is a really great melee weapon. it makes endless fun to play with. but i permanently have in mind. there are 3 other idiots like me. so the force sword with deflector is a safe way to go cuse you really can hold a horde if needed or rezz relativly safe in a horde if someone fails. in terms of dmg and fun. definitly duelling sword :D
Warp sword isnt played for damage. Its played for surgical utility. Best push mechanic in the game (also pairs with brain burst passive, with deflector you can nullify shooter gangs by walking up to them (without vet with volley fire shooter variant), and its warp attack is really meant for certain specials like mutants and elites. I would agree on this tier list if its based on solo play, but for all cases warp sword is more of a team weapon. In fact i would say psker is best played as some type of supporting member that augments a teams horde, staggering, or tanking abilities, less so than straight up damage clear for which other classes like veteran and preacher or more well known for. Its abilities are stacked for killing elites, but not other things. Most players dont realize this because elite hordes dont even appear until heresy and on. If playing solo, void + sabre is the best, but it falls short to what other classes can do.
Surge Staff is so good it should be S+, no weapon can compare to it. And I don't see how dueling swords are better than the knife, can someone shine some light?
honestly for me im still only at psyker 9 and have only played for like 18 hours over the last like day and a half of me owning the game but mind you i was infamy 25 in payday 2 so i know the horde shooter metas and for me, im loving having the force sword backup to use its chagered stab to kill elites too close but also will switch to the fame lvl 11 force sword with the sweep perhaps for its aoe slash special which i feel likely would do better in general for being a good 'FUCK OFF' type weapon especially when paired with a quick force blast to help deal with the peril and let ya take some risks and 100% WILL be using the fame lvl 11 staff because i realized already that aoe control is what is needed most out of your main dmg dealer since that is what psyker is as a base when you think about it as the vetern is there for high single target dmg at range, the zelot can pull high single target dmg at close range or high group dmg at close range but i have seen so far mostly pulling the single target which means when a horde rolls around, without a ogryn to take the brunt of the dmg and their ridiculous survivability and horde clearing skills your basically dead. its in light of that that while the surge staff i would say is proly the best when playing with a coordinated team that can make full use of its CC to cover elites without having to have other team members divert their focus and perhaps risk splitting off to handle it but when solo queing or when without a good aoe dmg dealer, soul fire staff 100%
Definitely agree with the list (especially with the fix for the Chainsword). But what I found hilarious is while watching I kept thinking "man if this list compared each weapon to some of the other class specific weapons half of these would end up in C or D tier." It's kinda sad. And in general I think the Chainsword is just kinda bad. Its main problem is not being an Eviscerator. When you do all the tier lists for other classes, do you intend on making one for all the weapons in the game overall? It wouldn't be super informative for playing the game in general, but it'd be interesting to see the overall balance.
Dueling sword and las pistol is the most fun you can have as a Psyker (while being as dashing and classy as possible)... But unfortunately you're generally better going either force sword (with deflection) and las, or Dueling Sword and staff. :( And why would you be "standing out in the open blocking" with the sword? Just over-run the shooter while they uselessly shower your with their pea-shooter then knock them on their posterior. It's way faster than switching to burst mode, locking on, and sitting in cover while it charges.
Pretty much the same I'd rank them. I do love the void staff, it's so much fun, but find myself going surge/purge most of the time to complement the team.
Force Sword is not tier A, nor tier S. It belongs absolutely, exclusively to the S++ tier. With the "Kinetic Deflection" talent and "Deflector" blessing, you can safely revive allies surrounded by a horde and under fire from machine gunners and shooters without taking any damage at all. Need to tell how important it is at the 5th level of difficulty? In addition, this sword's push attack has the longest range in the game, making it a 100% defense against dogs. Combined with the surge staff, the psyker with this sword turns into an ultimate support character and protects against 70% of the threats that threaten the team. Dogs, Mutants, Bombers, Snipers, Tik-Tokers are no problem for the psyker and he can also control melee elites. His only weakness is the fight against the horde. He cannot quickly exterminate the horde, but he can stand almost indefinitely when surrounded by it.
I can see why some people really like the Surge Staff, but I dont find the CC valuable at all when other options can just outright DPS enemies down or do both. And the fact the lightning only hits 4 enemies makes it feel too weak for me.
i still feel the shock staff is the best XD haha yes it doesn't kill as many as fire, but the support. i have run 4s that felt like 1s with that staff.. the lvl of support it brings 🥰the fact it has a m1 ranged option for firefight only matches were only gunners spawn, to making sure we don't go down a guy because lag showed its ugly head when a dog or trapper ran by. are just the toppers of why its the staff for me. ^^
While I am a Force Sword fan I'd like to say for the Dueling Swords the MK IV is better in every way than MK II (MK V is not even worth mentioning). I have all 3 of them with 379/380 Base Modifiers with similiar stat allocations. The MK II and the MK IV share the same Light Attack pattern HOWEVER the MK II Heavy1 is much weaker than the MK IV in all aspects (against infested/unarmored MK II deals 126 dmg, the MK IV deals 180). The Heavy2 is the same for the MK IV, a direct thrust from the opposite side BUT the MK II Heavy2 is the diagonal slash from left to right with slightly less damage than MK IV Heavy2. Against Unarmored/Infested: - MK II Heavy1 126 // MK II Heavy2 180 - MK IV Heavy(s) 180 Against Flak Armour: - MK II Heavy1 95 // MK II Heavy2 114 - MK IV Heavy(s) 136 I made a few screenshots so you can compare it yourself: imgur.com/gallery/LiWgJfT PS: There is no Kinetic Deflector blessing for any weapon other than the Force Sword (prove me wrong)
Bad list right off the bat bc he judged all guns equally. The recon lasguns have a really good build on psyker with infernus blessing, the chance to brainburst and the bonus damage to non warp attacks talents. This combination melts anything without carapace armor, especially bosses.
Wait, I thought Purgatus staff's burn isn't considered Soublaze? I could be wrong, but it doesn't work with your tier 30 talent Ascendant Blaze and it doesn't give you toughness from the tier 5 talent Warp Absorption? I've witnessed both these things not working in game.
Force sword is S for me, only because im playing psyker to use force weapons, not normal weapons. I cant bring myself to use anything else as a psyker. They need to make a crowd control version of the force sword. More psyker weapons in general.
Try Crucian Roulette on a gun, empty the mag, equip the combat blade and have kinetic deflection. Spam push attacks on the combat blade and you have S tier DPS while being able to block without your stamina. If you want a video for what this looks like Vs Dmanation enemies: ruclips.net/video/jCehR1JU1Eg/видео.html
honestly i feel like the force sword is a B. its damage and special attack dont justify the loss of passive quell speed, plus its horde control is extremely weak. The force push is great tho so might make it worth occasionally
I would have put surge also in S tier, it is as good as the purgatus staff IMO, though in different ways. I would also put voidstrike in B tier, I don't think its that amazing. It is versatile but its not really that good. In a tight hallway its great, but long range, its not that easy to snipe/aim with. Its CC isn't that great either. People are big fans of it though so I do respect it a bit.
Try using the animation cancel on the voidstrike staff. Hold doen RMB quickly alternate tapping LMB and quell. This turns the voidstrike into a machine gun.
It's a headshot machine and you can stagger enemies from range, voidstrike should be S tier. Only bad part is low left mouse button damage. You can charge to about 40-50% and stagger ogryns. I also use it to stagger bursters from range, can also easily headshot them twice and blow them up before they're close.
When i use the conbat knife, it seems to have a higher passive venting then other non force weapons. Also the combat knife actually has decent aoe. I use it to hoard clear often. Just light attach.
I appreciate that you owned those noobs by showing off hours and weapons, which doesn't confer expertise. Met tons of people who play this game far more than me who don't know how to play certain classes or weapons effectively. Also, the penances just require your teammates to let you blow yourself up as a psyker or stand up their ass as an Ogryn. None of them really confer skill as much as finding the correct way to cheese them. Good tier list though
On Malice, you almost feel like you can solo with just a voidstrike staff, but you are right, it feels balanced to me on Heresy. By that I mean if there is a other Psyker with flame or lightning, I can contribute well. If there is lightning, I am on hordes and if flame I am on shooters. A couple of things about the flame staff: the left click burst you can do will stagger a charging dog more easily than a push. The other thing is I tend to take a deflector force sword if I use the flame staff because standing there getting shot at is sometimes pretty useful and if I mess up and get surprised in the open by a bunch of shooters beyond flame range I have an option. Force sword can also push attack and then special attack to handle ragers or tanks. I think the A rating is fair overall, but I would give it S paired with with flame and B otherwise. The trauma staff is almost certainly bugged. It has a peril resistance stat that does literally nothing. That 50 peril on a fully charged attack looks like the base amount and it is not being reduced. With that said, even if it was working properly, it is of dubious utility. Scattering enemies around can do more harm than good. I would honestly prefer it to suck up enemies and dump them in one spot for an oggy to then launch a grenade at.
a point to consider with purgatus staff it is the ONLY staff that has interaction with the lvl 30 feat that allows you to earn a warp charge on soulblaze death it makes it incredibly easy to reach max warp charges (6 even) which allows to fire it very often for incredible damage with minimal peril management due to the bonuses coupled with the CC and ability to deal with hordes, that's why it's my go-to weapon for damnation now, melts & CC mooks like no other (with unlimited ammo at that), which allows teammates real breathing space
uuhhhh purgatus has a max burn stack number, just like zealot flamer , what makes you state otherwise? burn stat clearly states burn stack numbers bro?
I didn't get into detail you're right, but when I said limitlessly I mean to say that Pysker can stack multiple soulblaze sources for unlimited stacking, IE if you're running acendant blaze + kinetic overload you can easily hit 24+ stacks, but you're on the money the staff caps at 16, Though soulblaze can go for infinite and im sure there are very creative ways to build it up to some insane numbers. That's what I was thinking anwyays.
I think the problem is that most of the soulblaze feats are bad. With the exception of AB. Applying soulblaze with force sword possibly being the only exception. Burn does more damage than soulblaze which I think makes it superior in most scenarios.
I understand I’m probably playing the class wrong doing this, but I love the heavy las pistol on psyker. It just feels good to use when I’m at max peril and can’t use my ability. Plus style points are always nice
I don't know what this guy is talking about. The warp stacks affect guns too and being able to take out specials that need to die quickly is always good.
Ive bought like 4 or 5 Grey Combat Axes and upgraded them to blue and I just cant get Brutal Momentum for the life of me. I got Brutal Momentum on a tactical axe which is nice but would really like to try out combat axe. Please RNG gods lol
5:38 If you stand in the open. Against, let's say, 7-8 shooters. With trinkets on +3 stamina, rolls on block efficiency and talent on getting peril instead wasting stamine while blocking. You can pretty much have infinite block. Why is it helpful? Well, brain-popping a single shooter takes about 3-4s. Taking into account time spend lowering peril, targeting shooters and maybe recovering some lost toughness (considering you playing on damnation and those bastards hurt like truck). It will take you around 1 minute to kill all 7-8 shooters. Point is. It's better for veteran to take care of the shooters. Not you. Brain popping some regular shooters is more waste of time, than standing in open and soaking their shots. While your teammates can safely kill them. Next point is: if you playing with friend and someone got down in the open and bunch of shooters peppering him - you can protect you teammate, that get's up fallen friend. Next point is: you not an ogryn with slab shield. You can move while having shield up. And if you move close to shooters - they switch to melee. It's faster to hold shield, walk towards shooters and just stab them to death untill they die. Yes, i prefer Illisi over other force swords. But deflection is a really good blessing to have. And saves you in many situations
Mk 2 Rapier has 8% dodge distance, Mk 5 Rapier has 15% dodge distance. And the Mk 2 is better because one of the heavy attacks is a stab? For me if I wanted to kill with my weapon I would not pick the Rapier, but it is the weapon I always use because it is perfect for defence. And that makes the Mk 5 way better then Mk 2 no contest.
Agree with you. I recently swapped to it from my force sword. It's much better than the sword in melee. Anything gets past my staff dies even with armour
I mean, honestly if youre gonna do a tier list, that says "every weapon" should probably actually talk about all the guns considering that some of them are far more usable than others due to the psyker playstyle, hours arent impressive, going the mile to dole out the information you say youre giving out, is impressive.
Blaze sword is S teir. Not being able to quell while forced into melee and not having the aoe stagger when surrounded can result in going down a lot in damnation. It's almost required to have imo. Also it's special is OP
Melee doesn't need quell or force sword push...if it did every other class would die. You can just do what every other class does in melee: attack/block/push/dodge with good timing. It is a good weapon, just not "required"
@Ef Five you spam your staff and max out your peril and now you are suddenly surrounded. You have to keep out your melee but man you wish you could quickly peril without having to pull out your staff and lose your block momentarily. It's these scenarios that determine if you go down in damnation.
You should update this list. At least half of these are inaccurate now and you i feel like you ignore half of the tricks or common situation skills of some of these weapons. like how you can easy kill ragers with the devil claws deflect skill. Or how you can literally become the tank of the group against bosses and monstrosities with the force swords deflector blessing. or the chain sword with bleed can literally melt and stunlock any elite/special. and now that we have new subclasses guns aren't always F tier. or how smite and assail can change the effectiveness of other weapons. Etc. Etc.
I prefer Mk IV Saber to II. When you're using Purgatus staff, you don't really need that much of an edge that II has in horde control over IV. IV has very nice combos to hit head (heavy, light light), and it has better mobility, both in sprint and dodge distance.
I can't not use the sword its so fucking strong with the force push solo hold hordes I agree it's trash at actually damage but as a defensive hold the line weapon it does ok force push an bang heavy 2 cleaves 3 or 4 guys
dude, try to rate on a bell curve, because you just stacked everything into A and B, which isn't a tier list at all, its still just a pile of weapons. Also, I disagree with the MK2 being S. Simply because its not very good for most players to use. I've tried and I don't see the value, it doesn't work like Saltzspyre to me, my point isn't that it sucks, just that S tier should really be effective in everyone's hands and not just limited to learning a certain style of play that you have gotten good at. I think the MK2, for me sucks, and I think lots of players would agree, which places it A at the highest possible level. Just my opinion.
Why? Well it's true that staffs are the psicke main range weapon but, I feel they are in general really under performing in damaging single targets in range, actually they are pretty bad if you want to clear groups of enemies, specially under level 30 and trying to accomplish the contracts they feel bad, nice CC areas but way less dps. Also teaming with a sniper would grant the passive ammo aura too. I think is a good option to be a shooting psyquic, headaploding elites while still being able to take down assaulting mobs with bullets otherwise I'm just kind of a support suicide bomb xD, that's my point. And I hate staffs, I wish I could perform as good as the firewitch on vermintide xD
@@gtifighter hmm. i stopped after 3rd lvl30 and 18hrs, just seems everyone in my friends list started playing less and less. there's nothing to do, missions are dictated randomly and loot is awful
@@bertvsrobWell at some point, people have enough from a game, especially after they already played hundreds of hours in a short timespan, most people occasionally come back or play with friends, which is what I usually do with most if not all multiplayer games. And awful loot? good. It's not a looter shooter, never was, and wasn't ever advertised as such, so that's what everyone expected. Vermintide wasn't either, by the way. and not being able to choose the mission? really? I mean there are many things to criticise about the game: the bugs/occasional crashes, the cash shop, the currently rather limited crafting system, the low variety in class-specific weapons, the balancing of certain weapons, the lack of classes that Vermintide 2 had, the missing storyline etc... but having to choose one of multiple missions that randomly rotate? never felt any issue with that really, not back in Call of Duty times where you would join a random lobby and play on a random map with random people, nor in Darktide, where you can select at least one from several random missions and play with random people if you so choose. I don't know, just sounds like an absolute non-issue to me.
@@bertvsrob It's not finished at all. Should've been released as early access, because we're going to be waiting at least a year to get the functionality they promised. 2-3 years for full content like they said they would introduce on their discord. But plenty of time to buy cosmetics, they have them all ready to roll out!
@@Sercer25 they made damn sure to have the moneymaking aspects of the game at 100%, which is disgusting if you ask me. fuck the cosmetics, used to have to earn them in vermintide2
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"All of the guns go into F" I couldnt agree more
Voidstrike 2nd blessing should be "Transfer Peril", "Quell 2-5% of your Peril on Weak Spot Hit": with that perk you can non-stop hammer hordes as long as you hit some headshots because "weakspot hit" count multiple times based on how many weak spots you hit with the same projectile (IMHO with that combo you can easily bump it to S tier).
About Purgatus being S tier... I'm not sure about it: maybe I was unlucky, but all the psykers I met using that staff struggled against hordes because they can stagger it, but they can't kill it... I've tried it, but found it lacking.
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indeed, voidstrike with transfer peril can drop 10-15% of peril with a single smite, combine it with faster charge rate and bigger blast radius and you have a deadly cc weapon. Purgatus requires constant spamm of basic attack in order to stagger mobs, which will hit you anyway while of fire. With voidstrike you can engane distant targets and control in cqb. Enemy either dead or on their asses, in both cases they do not close distance and do not attack you.
Purgatus is just too limit, and flamer of a zealot outperforms purgatus in every way possible.
I've noticed people use voidstrike's explosion effect on the ground instead of using it like a linear headshot machine. It's a monster of a weapon and should be S tier. It's falloff point is it's left click ability damage, it's pretty low.
Purgatus is easy S tier, but with right build. I can kill horde with it, including big elites. True is it takes few seconds, but they will all die.. Stagger is also great. Only problem for me as psyker are ranged shooters, that's pain in the ass for sure :D
Yeah I love the transfer peril perk on Voidstrike its just way better than that crit chance one he suggested.
@@punkypony5165 because crit chance is irrelevant most of the time. If we check stats for staffs, crit chance and crit damage are kinda meh. Hence we deal with hordes mostly so i prefer transfer peril and + damage on 2nd and 3rd strikes.
With 150 hrs on just the psyker this isn't a bad list but it's really leaving out all the little tricks.
I really feel most of your stuff should be dropped by one tier (since C tier should be avg)
Dagger is great being paired with purgatous. Move fast and bleed what doesn't burn.
Force sword 100% in S tier. Honestly I've cleared T5 without pulling out my ranged weapon because of how strong this is (crucian roulette cheese strat). Clasp is 3m aoe stagger (push is 2m). Clasp allows you to walk through hordes with 0 issues on damnation. You can even stagger lock the horde to prevent additional spawns making some encounters jokes. Anyone who uses FS knows light heavy is the main combo. Then you can the run soulfire on crit blessing and use an empty crucian roulette autogun to get 100% soulfire crits. Such a versatile weapon. If you have the space and atk timing you can even tank the demonhost with FS.
You don't talk about animation cancels with surge and voidstrike. Really makes these weapons much stronger and cast much faster.
My thoughts:
S: force sword, surge
A: dueling blade, purgatus, voidstrike
B: Dagger, axes with brutal momentum, other dueling blade,
C: axes, other swords,recon lasgun (vld/vlla)
D: trauma, chainsword, other guns
This, and the infinite (with the minus peril on weak spot hit boon) very quick spam (with animation cancel) rocket launcher void strike …. then tier list miss some big (broken) combo but it is hard to master all classes
@@cyberlau13 With the surge staff you can weapon swap or sprint to cancel the lightning animation to instantly do the dmg and skip the long animation. Then there is the most broken bug in the game for infinite peril allowing you to completely ignore the overload animation. But that completely breaks the game so I don't want to say how that's done.
@_ Thank you. I've done a lot of testing and have used/attempted every weapon in T4s. I've found prioritizing impact/stagger values has led to more runs succeding than anything else (at least with psyker).
Great feedback though I stand by my selections I do agree on pretty much every point you've brought up. I am aware of global interactions between weapons like crucian roulette but I've left them out because I'm not sure they're intentional and also there is no definitive way to test them. I mean by this we don't have weapon buff indications or accurate ways to test damage output.
as for animation cancelling on surge staff makes sense for quicking chain CC but for the voidstrike I think the damage fall off for not fully charging is too high of a trade off.
Thanks again, I love thoughtful comments like this!
you can also use any force staff with warp nexus if you dont want to go gun psyker, though it doesnt get you the max crit rate (id prefer flame staff since stacks faster from crits and works well synergy wise). From the testing that ive done, every single crit blessing affects melee, you just need to be able to have its requirements met while in melee
Lighting staff is just offt I love that weapon. I don't get massive kill tallys but I'm able constantly stun shit an completely help my team. The range able to actually touch gunners in cover is huge. I run a full sword staff build im on high peril for a long time an use the 5% toughness to boost per 10% perils so freaking good.
if you playing support-cc-style lightning staff - i found a different build to be more effective:
lvl 5: Replenish 30% Toughness over 5 seconds on gaining Warp Charge (synergizes with lvl 15 talent)
lvl 10: +6% Peril Resistance per Warp Charge (synergizes with lvl 25 talent, giving up to 36% peril resistance)
lvl 15: Whenever you or an ally in Coherency kills an enemy, you have 4% chance to gain a Warp Charge. (you dont pop brains, so you need to get charges somehow)
lvl 20: Take between 10% and 33% reduced Toughness damage from ranged attacks based on Peril (you dont use sword, so this is the only talent, that gives you consistent benefits)
lvl 25: You can store up to 6 Warp Charges (synergizes with lvl 30 talent, reducing it's cd by 75%)
lvl 30: Using Unleash the Warp removes all souls and reduces the cooldown by 12.5% for each Warp Charge removed. In addition, any time you would generate a Warp Charge, you now instead generate 2 Warp Charges (makes your F ability always be available. Cannot confirm if it works with lvl 5 talent tho)
the way these talent work with each other is insane. And you can zap enemies all day
I use deflector to walk towards a ton of gunners so they'll melee, saved a ton of games where there's no ammo or veterans.
I think the surge staff deserves to be noted as a fantastic counter to ranged mobs in addition to the superb cc you noted. This is due to the staff's excellent damage against flak armor, which most ranged mobs use.
Strongly stand by the value of deflector. It takes time to learn when to best use it, but it can be used to close gaps against ranged enemies, block shotgunners, used in tandem with infinite dodges to safely maneuver out in the open, and yes also redirect fire from teammates which can be useful in certain situations. It's especially useful when using the purgatus staff, as you have an effective way to defend yourself from shooters while you close the distance.
gotta love that Surge staff CCing and killing those gunner blobs. I really appreciate the range enabling your team to close the gap or shoot them while they twitch.
A point on tact axe. (brutal momentum still necessary) I entirely disagree with you that tact is weak against horde. The issue is because you are using tact mk5 which only has diagonal lights (which do NOT do enough damage in T4/5)
Mk8 and mk2 are kings of horde control.
Use push attack > heavy for mk8 (you get 2 diagonal swings which couple well with BM blessing)
All 3 attacks (push attack, both heavies) are ALL diagonal for mk2 (my preferred tact axe). You can even control the entire horde with H>H combo alone.
Both also do decent stunning crushers on heavy headshot.
Force sword is currently the only weapon in the game with near infinite RANGED blocking (shield for ogryn is the only other one but stamina don't recover while taking damage, but peril auto quells). Also it's the easiest weapon in the game to get a ONE shot on mutant with the warp charged heavy swing (and easily one shots every armored mob bar crusher). Because of this, its the best weapon to pair with purg staff. Also you mentioned "vertical swings" of the force sword, you're sort of using it's combo wrong. L > H are two horizontal swings. Add a block to reset and you have L > H > block cancel combo which is effectively a horde clearing weapon. So again I disagree on that point.
Overall good rankings for most other weapons.
I am currently making a video on horde control with a few of the most common weapons. I'm done with mk5 combat axe and mk8 tact axe. My potato PC requires praying to the machine spirit within for it to record successfully, so it's difficult to record more. You can take a look when its done, so I don't look like "I'm talking out of my arse" when it comes to my points above on tact and force sword horde control mechanics.
Made an oopsie boys.. The Assualt Chainsword was supposed be C tier not B :
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I didn't notice that sweep limits u were talking about for chainsword... For hordes u use heavy loop it goes through high density hordes with ease, or am i wrong?
Id argue the force sword isnt meant to be a horde clearer, it is meant to deal with anything foolish enough to past your staff. You can still deal with groups if you do your part but yeah not meant for hordes its more for single target. Also i love deflector it has saved me from getting knocked over by suprise gunners more times than i can remember
Who cares that it meant to be, use light-heavy-cancel and it becomes horde clearer anyway. Dude who made this video barelly knows that he is talking about, i doubt he ever tested anything and i doubt even more that he ever beated damnation
Agree, with that pattern heavy is an horizontal swipe. And this "melee - ranged" combined tier list doesn't really make sense, as some melee / range combination are more effective than others. So a particular range / melee weapon is going to be in a tier relative to the other weapon equipped, and or the play style, focus or versatily you are after.
While I agree staves are probably the better option I don’t think all guns fall into F tier. Options like the MG12 lasgun, mk7 recon lasgun and mk1 infantry autogun are all solid B tier picks on Psyker. Psyker brings value to the team through the inherent elite damage bonus, team CDR with Psykinetic’s aura and arguably the best reviver with kinetic deflection. Additionally, brain burst can help make tough opponents like the bulwark much easier to deal with.
I don’t disagree that you would probably deal more damage as a vet. Or even be less fragile. But I think gun psyker is a viable choice and not straight F tier.
What I do think sucks is without full crafting right now some weapons are only good IF you get high base stats, decent perks and the right blessing. Tier lists are kind of hard when you say “this weapon is great if the stars align and you get this load out”.
Warp sword lets you aggro all the shooters onto you, as shooters focus the first target, and dont change until you break line of sight.
The peril block feat lets youdo it forever.
Its one of the best ways to get out of a shooter hoard.
The block push can hold back a horde as well if spammed and cancelled before you do the follow up push, great if you get rushed during reloads or quelling
Quell blessing on Force Sword is mandatory. It's an incredibly good weapon. I leveled psyker with 4/5 duelling swords. For different builds and playstyles both Force Sword and Duelling Swords are possibly S.
The only thing I would say regarding the deflector on the Force Sword is that you can use it more than just for standing in the open and look cool - example, there was a group of 4 ranged, I walked up to them with the Deflector Blessing, knocked them back, breathed fire and they where dead much faster than I could pop them. So when combined with movement it is actually better than you give it credit for but I agree with the rest Psyker wise
I dont think a kantreal las gun should be listed as F on any character, it is the foundation of all weapon's to exist in this game. It is consistant on basically any character, you can say it isn't S tier like it is on veteran but this is a bit excessive. Gunslinger builds do exist for psyker so I dont really see why claim that it is F tier (F tier should imply that it is useless, it is not).
I'd put the Blaze Force Sword in S+ myself.
The Saber has the mobility advantage and Kinetic Deflection synergy, but Blaze Force with Deflector has saved MANY runs where I was able to revive the whole team in the middle of a Horde without taking damage or being interrupted.
I intend to test that mix for myself but my only ones with Deflector are very early/ low roll weapons so far. I don't mind experimenting with other things though... ...in Malice.
@@OffToBattle Its very worth. I have a 456 Dueling Sword with perfect stats on it, and I find myself running a 425 Force Sword with Deflector more often just because of the survivability. Nothing more satisfying than being able to clutch revive your whole team by Deflecting every attack on you and then force pushing everything back.
I disagree with trauma staff. If you roll a God tier version of it like mine, 375 stat line, 505 overall, the rending and cast speed blessing. It does what all the other staves do. Ccs better than lightning cuz knocking an enemy to the ground lasts longer than the short stun of surge. It also does more more damage than surge. You don't need to spam it lol, 2 or 3 blasts per mob is all u need and with 80% quell speed I can nearly spam it especially in hordes because it kills a bunch per blast which lowers ur peril. So yes it has more dmg, aoe, and cc than fire staff and again all of this applies to Void. You don't need to spam it, your roll as a psyker using a staff is aoe/cc/kill mobs and it's does all.of that in one blast. Also when you knock enemies down if they don't die, you can quell all the way down by the time they get back up and just chain cc them more than surge could especially with surge having a 6 target limit
I remember that comment you received about not playing enough! It's a shame you had to respond to that. I'm happy with your tier list and yes, the assault chainsword is a cool idea but struggles in higher difficulty combat, and I've tried making the force sword work, but it's not perfect, something experience taught me! Take care, hope to see you out in the field someday.
Honestly I'm convinced the Assault Chainsword is kinda trash for every class.
@@derkaiser9881 It could be a lot better.
@@OffToBattle 100%. Though funnily enough its main problem right now is how it compares to the Eviscerator.
With the coming of the class update, a lot of things have changed. Namely, the guns are good now since there's a whole skill that works with them now, where each gun falls individually is up to debate though, but I'd say the laspistol, shredder pistol and recon lasrifles are pretty good while the gun with least synergy would be the stub revolver(notably, the damage bonuses of gun psycher do make the stubby a boss shredder, but the damage boosts are wasted on most of it's shots otherwise). Surge staff is also significantly stronger now.
I've actually found that the MkV dueling sword is my favorite. You may already be aware, but the combo between the heavy and special attack makes for a super fast combo that does a ton of quick damage to a pressuring elite. I main the force sword because of all of its utility, but the MkV is a close second IMHO
Deflector is an excellent closing tool. I use it to close the distance with shooters to suppress them with purgatus so the team can follow in. With enough block eff you can make 20-30m through open ground getting blasted.
I’ve heard a lot of opinions about blessings for the Purgatus Staff. Do Warp Flurry and Nexus increase raw damage? I have seen the suppression one on kill recommended too, as well as focused channeling so you never get interrupted. What do you think?
One weapon I'd like to add would be the Recon Lasgun, preferably the Mk.VII. It's a great choice for dealing with hordes while leveling up, before you can get hold of a staff with decent stats, especially since it has decent range combined with it's high rate of fire.
Very awesome run down. But I hard disagree with Surge staff being A and not S tier. One thing I hate about the the Purgatus staff is the extreme short range on everything, and I would place it A tier for that reason.
Id love to hear about what perks you recommend on each weapon as well as the blessings.
He did say that
@@bengonzalez5215 I must have missed it. I saw him talk about the blessings but I guess I missed the perks. I’ll watch again.
Trauma Staff is actually S tier if you roll BiS that has max quell speed, charge time and blast radius and for heresy or lower - goes down to A tier at Damnation unfortunately because of the second blast needed to kill groups.
The ability to control/ aim a huge stagger and on elites if your screen is full of horde units is huge.
The issue with surge staff is you cannot pick who to stunlock - and if you're in a situation where your staggering walkers instead of the bulwark, reapers or Crusher approaching in the backing winding up their strike, you and your team are in for a bad time if they lack horde clear.
The staff is definatly D tier if you have terrible stat's on it - but don't discount it as only D tier- it proportionally increases in usefulness the higher you can max our Quellspeed> charge time> blast radius >damage >warp resistance. It's literlly an infinite veteran grenade button
FINALLY PURGATUS GETS IT ROSES LFG! Ty for also letting ppl know you can stagger big boys with it as most ppl ignore that or claim it can’t 🙏🏻
I’d have to agree with pretty much all of what you said. Though I think some weapons like chainsword could have been moved down a tier to make it a bit less top heavy. “If everyone is super, no one will be.” Having a bit more evenly spaced weapons I think makes sense and imo a lot of the cata swords are not A tier. Staff ranks I agree with 100%. Force sword I agree with you about poor normal damage output and attack pattern, but the dodge and push make it excellent defensively and with the charged attack for close elite kills, it’s just my fav. But A seems suitable so no complaints
I thought you could tag more mobs with the surge staff by sweeping around so you can play freeze tag with more folks. Is that wrong?
Blaze Force V Sword is almost nothing but cleave..
With deflector I think Force sword belongs beside the duellist in S tier Also with the recent rebalances all staffs are around A tier especially so you aren't hoovering up ammo on the rest of your team.
I agree with 95% of the analysis. I'm around 250 hours with psyker with mostly dueling sword. I think the mk5 is the best one due to the heavy attack spam and dodge range paired with surge for any difficulty
I have a little over 200 hours on Veteran and I thought you did a great job with the tier list.
Only really had 1 gun I disagreed on(Agripinaa mk 1)
Thanks man, apprieicate the kind feedback. Where'd you have the MK1 Too, and what you running on it? I certain there is sleeper builds out there and I'm super keen to try them out!
@Dalkora I would put it at A tier. I have one that has 495 total power and it has tier 3 Raking Fire (25% damage increase if shooting in the back.) And tier 3 Terrifying Barage (garbage suppression mechanic doesn't seem to do much half the time).
Talents would be:
+Toughness on elite kill
+20% reload if ammo remains
+Grenade regen on elite kill
+Deadshot or 30% reload on elite kill.(They both have their own merits. Deadshot kills stuff faster but can leave you vulnerable to melee attacks because it eats up stamina.)
+75 % Damage reduction while ulted
+Using ult refills 60% Toughness and reloads gun.
Give it a try and see what you think.
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Usually run two tougness curious and 1 HP
The Agripinaa can melt specials pretty fast and if you take deadshot it can conserve some ammo because you do a tiny bit more damage overall.
I second the mk1 infantry gun being great. It’s good at long range with semi automatic tapping and good at close range with full auto hip fire. Like a nice mix between the braced and headhunter variants. But it does actual damage, unlike the headhunter guns. Only part of the gun that’s a bit of a letdown is the blessing options. It doesn’t get access to crucian roulette like other autogun variants.
Agripinaa MK1 gets a provisional 3rd vote from me aswell. Provisional on the fact that I don't have the same play time (130hrs) and mostly run on heresy combined with not having a good roll yet on my Veteran to really test it out. However on my Zealot I have a good roll and it one shots (head) snipers across the map with its single fire (like laser beam accuracy) and is good either bursting/two shot or even spraying in to groups (mostly fun but sometimes usefull if ammo isn't an issue).
From the meat grinder on damnation it needs two rounds to take out a sniper which is actually quite doable and the same for most other similar ranged threats (quick bust on the tougher ones but they are normally close enough to make that an option).
This is on a Zealot with a good ish roll at purple quality. Nothing I have on my Zealot comes close to its ability to mow down small groups (except flamer ofc) or out shoot the squads veteran on counter sniper duty/assist with gunner groups.
Currently farming for a great roll on my Veteran to see if it works as well as it appears. At the moment on heresy my zealot with MK1 is probably better at the shooty boy role than my Veteran with any loadout.
IF a god role can one tap snipers (or similar HP enemys) on Damnation then its the GOAT crazy OP needs nerf (please dont) ultimate weapon S+ tier all the way. If it can't then maybe its only A/B tier
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tbh dueling sword is a really great melee weapon. it makes endless fun to play with. but i permanently have in mind. there are 3 other idiots like me. so the force sword with deflector is a safe way to go cuse you really can hold a horde if needed or rezz relativly safe in a horde if someone fails. in terms of dmg and fun. definitly duelling sword :D
Warp sword isnt played for damage. Its played for surgical utility. Best push mechanic in the game (also pairs with brain burst passive, with deflector you can nullify shooter gangs by walking up to them (without vet with volley fire shooter variant), and its warp attack is really meant for certain specials like mutants and elites. I would agree on this tier list if its based on solo play, but for all cases warp sword is more of a team weapon. In fact i would say psker is best played as some type of supporting member that augments a teams horde, staggering, or tanking abilities, less so than straight up damage clear for which other classes like veteran and preacher or more well known for. Its abilities are stacked for killing elites, but not other things. Most players dont realize this because elite hordes dont even appear until heresy and on.
If playing solo, void + sabre is the best, but it falls short to what other classes can do.
Surge Staff is so good it should be S+, no weapon can compare to it. And I don't see how dueling swords are better than the knife, can someone shine some light?
honestly for me im still only at psyker 9 and have only played for like 18 hours over the last like day and a half of me owning the game but mind you i was infamy 25 in payday 2 so i know the horde shooter metas and for me, im loving having the force sword backup to use its chagered stab to kill elites too close but also will switch to the fame lvl 11 force sword with the sweep perhaps for its aoe slash special which i feel likely would do better in general for being a good 'FUCK OFF' type weapon especially when paired with a quick force blast to help deal with the peril and let ya take some risks and 100% WILL be using the fame lvl 11 staff because i realized already that aoe control is what is needed most out of your main dmg dealer since that is what psyker is as a base when you think about it as the vetern is there for high single target dmg at range, the zelot can pull high single target dmg at close range or high group dmg at close range but i have seen so far mostly pulling the single target which means when a horde rolls around, without a ogryn to take the brunt of the dmg and their ridiculous survivability and horde clearing skills your basically dead. its in light of that that while the surge staff i would say is proly the best when playing with a coordinated team that can make full use of its CC to cover elites without having to have other team members divert their focus and perhaps risk splitting off to handle it but when solo queing or when without a good aoe dmg dealer, soul fire staff 100%
Definitely agree with the list (especially with the fix for the Chainsword). But what I found hilarious is while watching I kept thinking "man if this list compared each weapon to some of the other class specific weapons half of these would end up in C or D tier." It's kinda sad. And in general I think the Chainsword is just kinda bad. Its main problem is not being an Eviscerator.
When you do all the tier lists for other classes, do you intend on making one for all the weapons in the game overall? It wouldn't be super informative for playing the game in general, but it'd be interesting to see the overall balance.
I feel like the dueling sword doesn’t have a cleave and is hard to clear hordes with? Better against a few enemies or one?
Dueling sword and las pistol is the most fun you can have as a Psyker (while being as dashing and classy as possible)... But unfortunately you're generally better going either force sword (with deflection) and las, or Dueling Sword and staff. :(
And why would you be "standing out in the open blocking" with the sword? Just over-run the shooter while they uselessly shower your with their pea-shooter then knock them on their posterior. It's way faster than switching to burst mode, locking on, and sitting in cover while it charges.
Pretty much the same I'd rank them. I do love the void staff, it's so much fun, but find myself going surge/purge most of the time to complement the team.
Force Sword is not tier A, nor tier S.
It belongs absolutely, exclusively to the S++ tier.
With the "Kinetic Deflection" talent and "Deflector" blessing, you can safely revive allies surrounded by a horde and under fire from machine gunners and shooters without taking any damage at all. Need to tell how important it is at the 5th level of difficulty?
In addition, this sword's push attack has the longest range in the game, making it a 100% defense against dogs.
Combined with the surge staff, the psyker with this sword turns into an ultimate support character and protects against 70% of the threats that threaten the team. Dogs, Mutants, Bombers, Snipers, Tik-Tokers are no problem for the psyker and he can also control melee elites.
His only weakness is the fight against the horde. He cannot quickly exterminate the horde, but he can stand almost indefinitely when surrounded by it.
I'm LVL 22 psycyer. I love the Sabre. It's great for when you got tons of low rank mobs coming st you.
I can see why some people really like the Surge Staff, but I dont find the CC valuable at all when other options can just outright DPS enemies down or do both. And the fact the lightning only hits 4 enemies makes it feel too weak for me.
i still feel the shock staff is the best XD haha yes it doesn't kill as many as fire, but the support. i have run 4s that felt like 1s with that staff.. the lvl of support it brings 🥰the fact it has a m1 ranged option for firefight only matches were only gunners spawn, to making sure we don't go down a guy because lag showed its ugly head when a dog or trapper ran by. are just the toppers of why its the staff for me. ^^
While I am a Force Sword fan I'd like to say for the Dueling Swords the MK IV is better in every way than MK II (MK V is not even worth mentioning).
I have all 3 of them with 379/380 Base Modifiers with similiar stat allocations.
The MK II and the MK IV share the same Light Attack pattern HOWEVER the MK II Heavy1 is much weaker than the MK IV in all aspects (against infested/unarmored MK II deals 126 dmg, the MK IV deals 180). The Heavy2 is the same for the MK IV, a direct thrust from the opposite side BUT the MK II Heavy2 is the diagonal slash from left to right with slightly less damage than MK IV Heavy2.
Against Unarmored/Infested:
- MK II Heavy1 126 // MK II Heavy2 180
- MK IV Heavy(s) 180
Against Flak Armour:
- MK II Heavy1 95 // MK II Heavy2 114
- MK IV Heavy(s) 136
I made a few screenshots so you can compare it yourself:
imgur.com/gallery/LiWgJfT
PS: There is no Kinetic Deflector blessing for any weapon other than the Force Sword (prove me wrong)
You didn't say which blessings would be best for the last staff
It's just your everyday RUclips comment Andys. Surprised you even felt the need to address them^^
Can someone explain brutal momentum? Do exist already any good list of perks and blessings with description? I didn't found
Thx
Ignore enemy hit box after weakpoint kill
@@ericsilva9036 but what exactly it does?
Like crusher hitbox become small and soft as pox walker?
@@GroBoiD7777 you attacks go through enemies easier so you can hit more with each swing
Bad list right off the bat bc he judged all guns equally.
The recon lasguns have a really good build on psyker with infernus blessing, the chance to brainburst and the bonus damage to non warp attacks talents.
This combination melts anything without carapace armor, especially bosses.
Wait, I thought Purgatus staff's burn isn't considered Soublaze?
I could be wrong, but it doesn't work with your tier 30 talent Ascendant Blaze and it doesn't give you toughness from the tier 5 talent Warp Absorption? I've witnessed both these things not working in game.
it definitely does work, they just need to die to the soulblaze on them not the flame coming out of the staff (for some reason).
@@communisticus191 I'll give it another shot.
Force sword is S for me, only because im playing psyker to use force weapons, not normal weapons. I cant bring myself to use anything else as a psyker. They need to make a crowd control version of the force sword. More psyker weapons in general.
But what about Kinetic Flayer with Recon Lasgun and Combat Knife? Sure it’s RNG but it’s hilarious and can work wonders if luck favours you.
Does soulblaze still stack infinitely?
Try Crucian Roulette on a gun, empty the mag, equip the combat blade and have kinetic deflection. Spam push attacks on the combat blade and you have S tier DPS while being able to block without your stamina.
If you want a video for what this looks like Vs Dmanation enemies: ruclips.net/video/jCehR1JU1Eg/видео.html
honestly i feel like the force sword is a B. its damage and special attack dont justify the loss of passive quell speed, plus its horde control is extremely weak. The force push is great tho so might make it worth occasionally
I would have put surge also in S tier, it is as good as the purgatus staff IMO, though in different ways.
I would also put voidstrike in B tier, I don't think its that amazing. It is versatile but its not really that good. In a tight hallway its great, but long range, its not that easy to snipe/aim with. Its CC isn't that great either. People are big fans of it though so I do respect it a bit.
Try using the animation cancel on the voidstrike staff. Hold doen RMB quickly alternate tapping LMB and quell. This turns the voidstrike into a machine gun.
Voidstrike is a def A. It's dps/artillery is not to be underestimated in a coordinated group.
It's a headshot machine and you can stagger enemies from range, voidstrike should be S tier. Only bad part is low left mouse button damage.
You can charge to about 40-50% and stagger ogryns. I also use it to stagger bursters from range, can also easily headshot them twice and blow them up before they're close.
Gonna have to try the Dueling sword now. 😅
I find myself using staves for cc and, so, favor melee weapons that can deal with hard targets, myself.
When i use the conbat knife, it seems to have a higher passive venting then other non force weapons.
Also the combat knife actually has decent aoe. I use it to hoard clear often. Just light attach.
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I appreciate that you owned those noobs by showing off hours and weapons, which doesn't confer expertise. Met tons of people who play this game far more than me who don't know how to play certain classes or weapons effectively. Also, the penances just require your teammates to let you blow yourself up as a psyker or stand up their ass as an Ogryn. None of them really confer skill as much as finding the correct way to cheese them. Good tier list though
Surge staff is S tier if you aren’t a shitter
On Malice, you almost feel like you can solo with just a voidstrike staff, but you are right, it feels balanced to me on Heresy. By that I mean if there is a other Psyker with flame or lightning, I can contribute well. If there is lightning, I am on hordes and if flame I am on shooters. A couple of things about the flame staff: the left click burst you can do will stagger a charging dog more easily than a push. The other thing is I tend to take a deflector force sword if I use the flame staff because standing there getting shot at is sometimes pretty useful and if I mess up and get surprised in the open by a bunch of shooters beyond flame range I have an option.
Force sword can also push attack and then special attack to handle ragers or tanks. I think the A rating is fair overall, but I would give it S paired with with flame and B otherwise.
The trauma staff is almost certainly bugged. It has a peril resistance stat that does literally nothing. That 50 peril on a fully charged attack looks like the base amount and it is not being reduced. With that said, even if it was working properly, it is of dubious utility. Scattering enemies around can do more harm than good. I would honestly prefer it to suck up enemies and dump them in one spot for an oggy to then launch a grenade at.
a point to consider with purgatus staff
it is the ONLY staff that has interaction with the lvl 30 feat that allows you to earn a warp charge on soulblaze death
it makes it incredibly easy to reach max warp charges (6 even) which allows to fire it very often for incredible damage with minimal peril management due to the bonuses
coupled with the CC and ability to deal with hordes, that's why it's my go-to weapon for damnation now, melts & CC mooks like no other (with unlimited ammo at that), which allows teammates real breathing space
uuhhhh purgatus has a max burn stack number, just like zealot flamer , what makes you state otherwise? burn stat clearly states burn stack numbers bro?
I didn't get into detail you're right, but when I said limitlessly I mean to say that Pysker can stack multiple soulblaze sources for unlimited stacking, IE if you're running acendant blaze + kinetic overload you can easily hit 24+ stacks, but you're on the money the staff caps at 16, Though soulblaze can go for infinite and im sure there are very creative ways to build it up to some insane numbers. That's what I was thinking anwyays.
I think the problem is that most of the soulblaze feats are bad. With the exception of AB. Applying soulblaze with force sword possibly being the only exception. Burn does more damage than soulblaze which I think makes it superior in most scenarios.
I understand I’m probably playing the class wrong doing this, but I love the heavy las pistol on psyker. It just feels good to use when I’m at max peril and can’t use my ability. Plus style points are always nice
I don't know what this guy is talking about. The warp stacks affect guns too and being able to take out specials that need to die quickly is always good.
Ive bought like 4 or 5 Grey Combat Axes and upgraded them to blue and I just cant get Brutal Momentum for the life of me.
I got Brutal Momentum on a tactical axe which is nice but would really like to try out combat axe. Please RNG gods lol
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If you stand in the open. Against, let's say, 7-8 shooters. With trinkets on +3 stamina, rolls on block efficiency and talent on getting peril instead wasting stamine while blocking. You can pretty much have infinite block.
Why is it helpful? Well, brain-popping a single shooter takes about 3-4s. Taking into account time spend lowering peril, targeting shooters and maybe recovering some lost toughness (considering you playing on damnation and those bastards hurt like truck). It will take you around 1 minute to kill all 7-8 shooters.
Point is. It's better for veteran to take care of the shooters. Not you. Brain popping some regular shooters is more waste of time, than standing in open and soaking their shots. While your teammates can safely kill them.
Next point is: if you playing with friend and someone got down in the open and bunch of shooters peppering him - you can protect you teammate, that get's up fallen friend.
Next point is: you not an ogryn with slab shield. You can move while having shield up. And if you move close to shooters - they switch to melee. It's faster to hold shield, walk towards shooters and just stab them to death untill they die.
Yes, i prefer Illisi over other force swords. But deflection is a really good blessing to have. And saves you in many situations
Mk 2 Rapier has 8% dodge distance, Mk 5 Rapier has 15% dodge distance. And the Mk 2 is better because one of the heavy attacks is a stab? For me if I wanted to kill with my weapon I would not pick the Rapier, but it is the weapon I always use because it is perfect for defence. And that makes the Mk 5 way better then Mk 2 no contest.
Antax MK 5 should be S tier, with brutal momentum it is actually insane.
Agree with you. I recently swapped to it from my force sword. It's much better than the sword in melee. Anything gets past my staff dies even with armour
What Rez you play at?
Now if I could only get the game to roll me a decent force sword/force staff that'd be great!
I’m not positive but I might be that poor Ogryn Blor that you murdered at the beginning :(
I mean, honestly if youre gonna do a tier list, that says "every weapon" should probably actually talk about all the guns considering that some of them are far more usable than others due to the psyker playstyle, hours arent impressive, going the mile to dole out the information you say youre giving out, is impressive.
I am sad that some of these don’t allow quell
Blaze sword is S teir. Not being able to quell while forced into melee and not having the aoe stagger when surrounded can result in going down a lot in damnation. It's almost required to have imo.
Also it's special is OP
I didn't even know the special attack was as good as it was until recently when I dropped a Bulwark with a special + light attack on Hersey.
The special heavy atk is very strong. One shot mutants on heresy
Melee doesn't need quell or force sword push...if it did every other class would die. You can just do what every other class does in melee: attack/block/push/dodge with good timing.
It is a good weapon, just not "required"
@Ef Five you spam your staff and max out your peril and now you are suddenly surrounded. You have to keep out your melee but man you wish you could quickly peril without having to pull out your staff and lose your block momentarily. It's these scenarios that determine if you go down in damnation.
but the pistol was s tier in the tumbnail ?
If only I didn't hate the look of dueling swords.. I want to be a space wizard not a pirate
Can't wait for zealot to hear how bad the hammer is!
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Hell yeah
Surge staff Is either bugged , undertuned or just bad.
You should update this list. At least half of these are inaccurate now and you i feel like you ignore half of the tricks or common situation skills of some of these weapons. like how you can easy kill ragers with the devil claws deflect skill. Or how you can literally become the tank of the group against bosses and monstrosities with the force swords deflector blessing. or the chain sword with bleed can literally melt and stunlock any elite/special. and now that we have new subclasses guns aren't always F tier. or how smite and assail can change the effectiveness of other weapons. Etc. Etc.
I prefer Mk IV Saber to II. When you're using Purgatus staff, you don't really need that much of an edge that II has in horde control over IV. IV has very nice combos to hit head (heavy, light light), and it has better mobility, both in sprint and dodge distance.
Deflector is good because of reviving
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I can't not use the sword its so fucking strong with the force push solo hold hordes I agree it's trash at actually damage but as a defensive hold the line weapon it does ok force push an bang heavy 2 cleaves 3 or 4 guys
Purgestaff is just boring to use. Surge and force staff is S tier according to me.
dude, try to rate on a bell curve, because you just stacked everything into A and B, which isn't a tier list at all, its still just a pile of weapons. Also, I disagree with the MK2 being S. Simply because its not very good for most players to use. I've tried and I don't see the value, it doesn't work like Saltzspyre to me, my point isn't that it sucks, just that S tier should really be effective in everyone's hands and not just limited to learning a certain style of play that you have gotten good at. I think the MK2, for me sucks, and I think lots of players would agree, which places it A at the highest possible level. Just my opinion.
Why man does not understand it, oh well. Hoard cleaning staff an S tier, oh boy.
Disagree Force is S %100
Voidstrike is op with the qlitch
Surge staff should be S tier
No gun tier, dislike
It's The Psyker though, why would you use guns?
Why? Well it's true that staffs are the psicke main range weapon but, I feel they are in general really under performing in damaging single targets in range, actually they are pretty bad if you want to clear groups of enemies, specially under level 30 and trying to accomplish the contracts they feel bad, nice CC areas but way less dps. Also teaming with a sniper would grant the passive ammo aura too. I think is a good option to be a shooting psyquic, headaploding elites while still being able to take down assaulting mobs with bullets otherwise I'm just kind of a support suicide bomb xD, that's my point. And I hate staffs, I wish I could perform as good as the firewitch on vermintide xD
are people still playing this?
yes, it's a lot of fun. I just reached level 30 with my second class and just shy of 100 hours playtime (unlike some youtubers, I do have a life, lol)
@@gtifighter hmm. i stopped after 3rd lvl30 and 18hrs, just seems everyone in my friends list started playing less and less. there's nothing to do, missions are dictated randomly and loot is awful
@@bertvsrobWell at some point, people have enough from a game, especially after they already played hundreds of hours in a short timespan, most people occasionally come back or play with friends, which is what I usually do with most if not all multiplayer games. And awful loot? good. It's not a looter shooter, never was, and wasn't ever advertised as such, so that's what everyone expected. Vermintide wasn't either, by the way.
and not being able to choose the mission? really? I mean there are many things to criticise about the game: the bugs/occasional crashes, the cash shop, the currently rather limited crafting system, the low variety in class-specific weapons, the balancing of certain weapons, the lack of classes that Vermintide 2 had, the missing storyline etc... but having to choose one of multiple missions that randomly rotate? never felt any issue with that really, not back in Call of Duty times where you would join a random lobby and play on a random map with random people, nor in Darktide, where you can select at least one from several random missions and play with random people if you so choose. I don't know, just sounds like an absolute non-issue to me.
@@bertvsrob It's not finished at all. Should've been released as early access, because we're going to be waiting at least a year to get the functionality they promised. 2-3 years for full content like they said they would introduce on their discord. But plenty of time to buy cosmetics, they have them all ready to roll out!
@@Sercer25 they made damn sure to have the moneymaking aspects of the game at 100%, which is disgusting if you ask me. fuck the cosmetics, used to have to earn them in vermintide2
What is the floating crystals weapon