@@bones6978 Camber will kill tires if its excessive, it'll reduce the grip and make the inside take the brunt of the wear even through corners which is not what you want.
Chad W it's universally known that an N/A motor has access to it's rpm all the time, while turbos have to spool up to a certain rpm and boost sweet spot. On top of that,N/A motors are less likely to fail than a turbocharged motor, you can run all motor cars all day without a problem. Sure the turbo gets more power, but in the long run N/A is the more efficient and reliable circuit racing choice.
How are they more efficient? They usually lave a lower compression ratio, added weight, long intake piping if they use an inter-cooler and a big exhaust restriction. The only way cars can become more efficient with a turbo is by downsizing the engine or it's diesel.
its looks like the top fuel civic had a massive amount of negative camber in the front, i wonder if that was contributing to the tire wear , or even if that was causing the car to lose grip instead of the tires wearing out.. it looked like the espirit civic also had a high amount of negative camber but not as much as the top fuel. the n/a cars didnt have near as much camber up front. btw thankyou very much for all these videos miroshi!!! very glad i found your channel!
Yes you can, he just did. Hell, a select few number of people have even managed to drift FWD cars. By no means are they good for, or designed for either of those two things, but if you have enough forward movement and drive and manage to throw the weight transfer and inertia, it's inevitable that the car will go sideways.
Why are people so fed up with the specifics, powerslide or not who cares, he tapped the brake to move weight forward, the rear went off and the car went into oversteer. Everything else is useless chat.
#1 is crazy fast. I'd be hardcore racing this everywhere. #2 is LOUD and nice!!! #3 sounds crazy. I love #3!!! #4 is a bit quieter. I would be having this as a daily car if I could.
For a Honda made products nothing is shittty on there n1 parts. What n1 pump are you reffering to I didnt think Honda made a n1 pump for the b-series. The n1 crank pulley is lighter helping the crank spin freely while still providing dampening.
My mates EP3 used to flick off vtec occasionally on hard cornering no idea why as I have never seen another EP3 do this... Then again never seen anyone who has the balls to drive ther EP3 like my mate did. Scary a hell 😰😰
+Gabriel Lopez N/A stands for naturally aspirated, which means the car isnt booted by a turbo, turbos generate more tire wear, more potential failures and with that a huge loss of power, this means N/A engines are mostly more reliable and economic/cheaper aswell. If you put in a turbo you need to adjust many things or the turbo is worthless under the hood, its more pricier aswell. The Power a N/A Engine creates is constantly and more balanced at lower, mid and High rpms, the turbo gives the most Power in the higher segment of rpms and is lass balanced, hope that helped.
to all the amaricans out there who say "fwd dont need rear wing" look at the crx, the only car with a wing also the only car that doesn't swing its ass like a happy dog.
i'm guessing you never tried lol. i've done it yes, it will correct you but being that far sideways and full throttle it will fling you so hard idk if human hands/arms are even fast enough to straighten the wheel back. When I tried, I was like a loose skateboard going crazy down hill.
Why did they put a thick cylinder plate between the headgasket? This is oldschool and 90' ...today stock b16 and b18 with stock headgasket + can handle over 400whp. Are they not up to date in japan?
"Tire wear is severe." Maybe if more than 1/8 of it was in contact with the road, you'd get more than two miles out of them. _THAT_ much camber is _NOT_ beneficial in any way. No car with a half decent suspension is going to transfer that much weight to the point that the contact patch is level. Under no circumstances does even a track prepped road car need to run more than 2.5-to-3° of negative camber. _ESPECIALLY_ up front in a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE car!
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Unless you have a chipped ecu then it wont work realy silly actualy
This is merely toys for them and god level of controlling that lost control Spoon EK is freaking insane!....bow down to the Drift King!
"Tire wear is bad" "is this the weakness of turbo powered cars??"
Nah I think its that -6 degrees camber lmao
Camber doesn't kill tyres, toe does.
@@bones6978 excessive camber will wear tires faster.
@@bones6978 Camber will kill tires if its excessive, it'll reduce the grip and make the inside take the brunt of the wear even through corners which is not what you want.
@@bones6978 camber kills a lot of tires lol I work at a tire center 😂
looks like crx would have won if it didnt start breaking down
Yeah, them breaks were fucking scary
that vtec sound on the spoon.. Hnnnnnng
I love how the carbed 2.0 liter took off on the others. It takes a lot of skill to tune carbs that well
Best channel to watch some good old Honda's race
3 honda civics with spoon engines lol
Dont forget the motech exhaust and sumi tires lol
and the T66 turbos
All that before it was cool!
And NOS
Lol
N/A all day every day!
angelo haka maximizing the full potential of an engine 👍🏼🏁
How is naturally aspirated maximizing the engine when a turbo can add power and be more efficient?
Chad W it's universally known that an N/A motor has access to it's rpm all the time, while turbos have to spool up to a certain rpm and boost sweet spot. On top of that,N/A motors are less likely to fail than a turbocharged motor, you can run all motor cars all day without a problem. Sure the turbo gets more power, but in the long run N/A is the more efficient and reliable circuit racing choice.
Na is more reliable at times cause they produce less power. And a turbo engine when tuned the same is more efficient
How are they more efficient?
They usually lave a lower compression ratio, added weight, long intake piping if they use an inter-cooler and a big exhaust restriction.
The only way cars can become more efficient with a turbo is by downsizing the engine or it's diesel.
the shifting on those foot cams. amazing.
Pushed the CRX too hard, driver was faster than the car
its looks like the top fuel civic had a massive amount of negative camber in the front, i wonder if that was contributing to the tire wear , or even if that was causing the car to lose grip instead of the tires wearing out.. it looked like the espirit civic also had a high amount of negative camber but not as much as the top fuel. the n/a cars didnt have near as much camber up front. btw thankyou very much for all these videos miroshi!!! very glad i found your channel!
always wanted to see a comparison like this
2:27 spot the drift king... lol
it's actaully a powerslide but whatever
Clippy He's saying that because the driver is Keiichi Tsuchiya. Also you can't powerslide an FF car lmao
Yes you can, he just did. Hell, a select few number of people have even managed to drift FWD cars. By no means are they good for, or designed for either of those two things, but if you have enough forward movement and drive and manage to throw the weight transfer and inertia, it's inevitable that the car will go sideways.
"Scandinavian Flick!"
Why are people so fed up with the specifics, powerslide or not who cares, he tapped the brake to move weight forward, the rear went off and the car went into oversteer. Everything else is useless chat.
Greatly appreciate it miroshi!!! Cant wait for the next video!! Thanks!
Top fuel always on point with there tuning
Thanks miroshi awesome video keep doing a great job
The funny thing about this race is the SS Work CRX only use a FCR Carburetor and still can compete with Turbo and ITB Civic lol..Hail to the Carby!
SS works FTW
#1 is crazy fast. I'd be hardcore racing this everywhere.
#2 is LOUD and nice!!!
#3 sounds crazy. I love #3!!!
#4 is a bit quieter. I would be having this as a daily car if I could.
Как же хорош этот Сивик! Великолепен хоть в стоке, хоть в любом тюнинге!
That -camber on the top fuel civic though! Who says crazy -camber is only for silly stance lol
I'm not seeing any car here with ridiculous camber like how most Honda drivers have now days.
***** I was being sarcastic
whenever I see insane camber on a car I immediately die inside
Anyway its a Track car so if its efective i may let it pass, you see on driftcars but on a daily car ..
Pretty sure he was complaining about tire wear lol
now this is way more interesting than nascar
ah the infamous n1 crank pulley on the 1.8l spoon civic spotted @0:28 nice
For a Honda made products nothing is shittty on there n1 parts. What n1 pump are you reffering to I didnt think Honda made a n1 pump for the b-series. The n1 crank pulley is lighter helping the crank spin freely while still providing dampening.
I love this auto... Miroshi... Is my dream auto
aahhahahaha aaaa-aaaaa chappy at the end xD these are so good, they are just so natural and into it!
CRX had them all the way until the brakes begin to fade away. If his brakes were bigger those turbos would had no chance
5:49 it sounded like the VTEC went back to the small cam lobe for a second.
My mates EP3 used to flick off vtec occasionally on hard cornering no idea why as I have never seen another EP3 do this... Then again never seen anyone who has the balls to drive ther EP3 like my mate did. Scary a hell 😰😰
@@bobbobertson8410 oil starvation ;)
Turbo 4ever. In this or after life !
Lovin these vidz
+Gabriel Lopez
N/A stands for naturally aspirated, which means the car isnt booted by a turbo, turbos generate more tire wear, more potential failures and with that a huge loss of power, this means N/A engines are mostly more reliable and economic/cheaper aswell. If you put in a turbo you need to adjust many things or the turbo is worthless under the hood, its more pricier aswell. The Power a N/A Engine creates is constantly and more balanced at lower, mid and High rpms, the turbo gives the most Power in the higher segment of rpms and is lass balanced, hope that helped.
twin sequential turbos is the answer to your argument.
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Edit: 6:22 NANI!?
My dream car is: a Civic EK with 1.8 Turbo, stripped interior, with Spoon everything.
the naturally aspirated didn't have his brake bled probably because he kept locking up the left front wheel even when turning right.
Sounds better than F1 today.
Great video
That was amazing. Intense.
to all the amaricans out there who say "fwd dont need rear wing" look at the crx, the only car with a wing also the only car that doesn't swing its ass like a happy dog.
3:33 dori dori on 3 wheels hahaha
Noticed that too, the swaybar seems pretty stiff
@@oliviersavard8676 I might be wrong but these stiffer setups work quite well on track
Spoon for me... the coolest
EF? vs EK? Where's the EG? Even video games forget the eg hatch and how legendary the car is... 😪
In Japan they didnt have the eg hatch. Only the coupe and they 4 dr
? the japanese had the EG6. you can find videos of tuned EG6 on this channel, spoon has covered them before.
Mike Swanson eg6 is jdm Civic sir II hatchback
@@mikeswanson7029 you got it way wrong friend
EG is older and I believe a bit lighter but not as rigid as the EK
I love how the carbureted CRX dusts them all at the beginning lol
This pleases my VTEC
6:25
Vtec:hello da
Vtec Turbo:nani?!
Vtec:bye :D
That gear ratio on the spoon civic
The Civic DoriDori was driving is sick doing 3 wheelies turns
3:04 holy shit look at the camber on the front wheel 😂 i thought it was broken for a second lol mental
Tsukuba looks perfect for these cars. Just did a bunch of laps in GT6 w/ ek9. Same wheels i think. lol.
Great video, thank you!
Blue crx, love it!
8:36
Me every time with a girl.
Can never get the stick in gear before the motor blows.
can't you just apply full throttle to fling the fwd car back in a straight line when its oversteering?
i'm guessing you never tried lol. i've done it yes, it will correct you but being that far sideways and full throttle it will fling you so hard idk if human hands/arms are even fast enough to straighten the wheel back. When I tried, I was like a loose skateboard going crazy down hill.
yes, the motor makes the car go straight back
yeah if you have a 140 HP car, if you floor it while losing control when you have a turbo you'll lose traction
yeah but to much and if wheel spin, this will make the car still go in the direction of its current inertia
Why did they put a thick cylinder plate between the headgasket? This is oldschool and 90' ...today stock b16 and b18 with stock headgasket + can handle over 400whp. Are they not up to date in japan?
This is a 90s video lol
Good video
Aerodynamics for the win.
Wow what a race
This HV seems more exciting than normal heheh do you think the footage is slightly accelerated (Fast Forward)?
k24hybrid clearly not, it would shake a whole lot more and it would be obvious
@@ej22_gc86 nice! 😉
They use 330 mm steering wheels?
That was entertaining!😂
Why they change it to carburetor system ? Any advantages ?
Same question here
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Turbo cars when they see a straight
“I am speed” xD
What shows is this ??
Homeboy saved it fucking amazingly.
N/A.... all day.... 👍
"Tire wear is severe."
Maybe if more than 1/8 of it was in contact with the road, you'd get more than two miles out of them. _THAT_ much camber is _NOT_ beneficial in any way. No car with a half decent suspension is going to transfer that much weight to the point that the contact patch is level. Under no circumstances does even a track prepped road car need to run more than 2.5-to-3° of negative camber. _ESPECIALLY_ up front in a FRONT WHEEL DRIVE car!
Someone know why the new type of Honda " 2017 " are made with Turbo and not with Turbo + vtec ? An Ingenior problem ?
Mithra Charon only the new type r is a good Honda the 1.5T is rubbish
It's only vtec in the exhaust side anyway. Might as well have a D16 :p
They are made with VTEC but they use reverse VTEC to help the turbo with spooling up
But really it's just for cost reasons. If you can get the required emissions and performance without vtec there's no point having it.
Who said front wheel can't drift 🚗💨
2:30
That was snap oversteer, a drift is when power is sent to the rear wheels, this was a slide
These guys are just having fun lol
Time attack crx don't f off. Type R civic came for em tho. Raw azz race.
That CR-X would have won if it had some racing stripes on.
CRX!
VTECは上まで回すときの音がたまんないよな〜☺
on 7:08 was he double shifting??
He was having trouble getting into gears
SPOON!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking amazing race!!!!
Crx is a weapon
NA for life
Crx definitely need better short shifter
N/A = atmo?
means for Naturally Aspirated yes Ca sent le français XD
not surprised with the turbo complaining of tires. with the fronts doing all the work it makes sense loads going to be worse
EK’s are so cute looking
I now understand why that chinese turbo company called themselves SSworks in the beginning.
what on earth is an FCR carb?
+Terry Low individual throttle body (itb) made by FCR is what i believe they are referring to @1:12
+Terry Low Keihin bike carbs
What's n/a?
+Gabriel Lopez Naturally Aspirated. No turbo.
Shimmering Death NA means Naturally Aspirated or All Motor (Non Turbo) all bolt ons just fine tuned
True Japanese videos...reminds me of the old karate movies...lol
are they saying the crx has a b16b bored or stroked to 2000cc or are they saying it has 2000cc injectors?
+redshift_QCrx7 bored or stroked to 2000cc
use fcr carburetor..
CRX would have Won if not miss the shift soo thats the best civic to me ;)
Darko Hugo not that, the crx was having brake issues which contributed way more than the shifting issues it was having
@@KBoogiie 1 year later, now i got CRX Vtec and Dc2 Type R
If the race was any longer the the turbo would start to over heat and lose power...then the NA would of taken them....
turbo
+1 shingo points
Looks like the crx woulda won if he didn't have a failing left rear brake line in the car.
Tsukimonogatari
Dam that sucks, he went from 1st to 4th at the last minute
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Awaits silly comment that v8s would win in this
+1
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NA is fun but turbo is more fun...turbo is the future and NA is past...NA has their moment but nowdays its turbo time ehehe
kairi jefri I like both
gurjinder singh i once driving NA...truly im miss tu drive NA again ehehe...but start driving turbo its addicted ahaha
I would want rwd car for turbo setup like in this video too much power is a lot of wheel spin NA done right is really good !
gurjinder singh yes RWD are very good in term of accelerate
kairi jefri sr20det in a s13 chassis would be my perfect track turbo car I don't like turbo on fwd car at all
La mayor ofensa que le podes hacer a un Honda es ponerle un turbo