@@em2attic Well, I learned something new today. Any reason you don’t see them more in automotive? Any diesel I search for doesn’t have the wrist pin inline with the oil rings. But it’s awesome to see people push the boundaries with ideas like this!
@RB30LJ i recently saw this being done by another aftermarket piston manufacturer i cant remember which one though but i would assume its less common in automotive due to the fact that its cheaper to use 1 piece pistons especially being that petrol engines dont create as much heat, pressure, and tq as diesel engines.
@Desert_Rogue_Tanker Yup, I just googled it after seeing this video. " the HKS 3.0L rb26 crate engine for sale " Bunch of links on top. Incredible prices , they have a cheaper $60K something option lol
I’m probably in the minority but I feel underwhelmed by the car. Just a lot of off the shelf stuff aside from the engine and the gimmicky wing (seems more like an air brake than drs). The engine and piston design is neat but I wish they’d debut their full Advanced Heritage RB motor in this flagship with the variable exhaust vcam concept and all the other components they hinted at years ago.
Thay motor is on an engine dyno and designed for fuel efficiency, not power. If HKS build a car, ofcourse they use their own parts. The car isn't for everyone. It's impossible to be for everyone.
Everyone going stroker kit, meanwhile I'd rather go for a destroked RB, something that basically no one does. Smaller bore allows for thicker cylinder walls, while shorter stroke allows for longer conrods, smoother operation and potentially higher rpm's.
There is zero real world reason to de-stroke. Also you can't "un bore" a block so not sure where you're going to get thicker cylinder walls. Only RD28 has 85mm bore which will requiring boring to 85.5mm anyway. When a 3.2 can rev to 11,000, what possible reason do you have to go lower capacity?
@MotiveVideo Woah, 11k rpm in a 3.2L? That I didn't know! I had seen them going for 9k...9500 rpm...had no idea some were already tackling 11k. Cool! For the cylinder walls, would adding new sleeves to the block allow to use smaller bore pistons? In any case, my main objective with a destroked RB would be to reduce piston speed at those same 10-11...12k rpm. Lower piston speed, longer conrods to improve the rod/length ratio and allow it to maintain those rpm's more safely while also making the engine even smoother. Most people go "why?", I go "why not?". Even if no one had done it, for whatever reason [financial, technical, etc.], I like the trying different ideas when it comes to these projects. 🙂👍🏻
Tomei had a crate engine ages ago… Step 3 were very very rare HKS engines 20 years ago funny how they are now building them again How much is the engine?
Be better to make a whole new motor, keep the factory stroke and go oversquare to 3.5L or bigger. Much easier to get the power reliably with the shorter stroke and higher rpm. Yeah its not the original, but knowing the price will be crazy, its gotta be better than the other RB motors that are available today.
@clonecaptian correct, that's why (if you read my comment) you'll see I said make a whole new motor. Shorter stroke and oversquare, much better for reliability. If you went to a 3.5 or etc, 1000hp would be much easier to make and be reliable. The RB was well ahead of its time, but the r35 knew it needed to go with more displacement to keep up with the competition in the price range it was in.
@@MotiveVideo same problem, longer stroke = lower rpm potential and higher stress. Overhaul and start again. Make a true, modern RB36 capable of 10,000rpm +. Make it oversquare, 75mm stroke to allow much higher rpm. These cars will only be used as track cars. Make em wild!
With longer rods won’t they get a higher piston speed and therefore not be able to rev the engine (the iconic RB sound won’t be the same??) I think the path that Australian builders have gone is more successful than this Especially the likes of Herman and his development of his new cast iron blocks removing all the problems from the factory blocks Knowing Japanese culture, I think they’re just overly keen to use all Japanese products rather than using Whats best And then developing new complex components just for the sake of it that don’t actually turn out to be so successful And as the other guy said I think this is an underwhelming build a black car that’s just been wrapped white with some gimmick stuck on it Personally, I don’t feel a car is a new build if it’s just wrapped It certainly not complete
I think they went with SHORTER rods, to have more stroke, hence the 2 piece piston design. Remember, Andrew said there isn't enough space to go for a substantial stroke.
Yeah the 3 litre rotating assembly variants designed by HKS and OS Giken both rely on longer rod lengths to achieve that capacity but in turn results in a limited albeit still 9k rpm. Seems the Japanese want nothing to do with the actual rb30 block but I guess that makes sense because it wasn’t really available in their market. Would love to see some of their advanced heritage stuff start to make it’s way out but unfortunately I think other companies will be offering products such as dual variable cam rb26 heads before they release theirs at this stage.
@ That the Japanese want nothing to do with the Rb 30 shows there pigheadedness Remember with Aussie innovation and feedback to them the r32 would be a slow unreliable thing Australia race teams and the general car culture fatuity (drag racers) and street cars developed these Rb motors to the iconic level they now have !
@ very much agreed. The Australia innovation to the RB series now outweighs that of what the Japanese have achieved in my opinion. The Japanese are very self centred around Japanese made only components and have basically refused to use any Australian RB components in their builds. Look I have a lot of respect for them and still think they have some incredible stuff but they also tend to make copies or rebrands just to put their name on. Like their turbos for examples are literally just Garrett rebrands as mentioned in the video with very little differences and certainly wouldn’t be any more efficient, which begs the question, why would you even buy one?… oh wait just so you have that name on your turbo. Personally I think the best gtr/rb build can really only be achieved using the best picked newest innovative and technology leading components irrespective of where they come from.
@@michaelb5330 You hit the nail on the head with the 'pigheadedness' - Unfortunately this is true. I live in Japan, and they class anything related to foreigners as inferior. This is due to their past cultural upbringing.. they HATE change haha - Thats why you still need cash at most places in Tokyo. The other thing is that I wouldnt trust an RB block at 87mm.. certainly not for 750hp, maybe 3-400 max(depending on tune of course).
I would take a nitto 3.2 over that engine spec any day. Disappointing really, not much good coming out of Japan. You australian guys have this market hence why I built my car with 90% aussie parts.
Completely agree. Higher displacement is better which is why 3.0 or 3.2 will always be better which is why the 2jz was so popular and easily tuned on stock engine
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This video is giving me early Motive DVD and Ignition DVD vibes and I’m loving it.
Haha so true !
extremely cool, glad HKS are still in it.
That piston design is wild!!
Not that different to old trucks
@ I’ve never seen any piston that screwed together. What trucks used a 2-piece piston?
@@RB30LJ common in the diesel world.
@@em2attic Well, I learned something new today. Any reason you don’t see them more in automotive? Any diesel I search for doesn’t have the wrist pin inline with the oil rings. But it’s awesome to see people push the boundaries with ideas like this!
@RB30LJ i recently saw this being done by another aftermarket piston manufacturer i cant remember which one though but i would assume its less common in automotive due to the fact that its cheaper to use 1 piece pistons especially being that petrol engines dont create as much heat, pressure, and tq as diesel engines.
If i got a dollar everytime HKS was said, i could buy one of these engines.
Piston is brilliant
This car is amazing!
DRINKING GAME: Take a drink every time Andrew Hawkins metions "HKS".... :-) Great vid guys!
0:55 Legendary clip! Damn, still getting 9000rpm out of it...
I personally love that the Vcam system is back aswell as the aweomse piston design interested in learning more.
HKS makes a big break kit for the GTR. Interesting they went with endless
Amazing car except that front splitter, just looks out of place on the car.
Matches the wing and is functional.
Would love to have that engine in mine!
You have to drink every time you hear ‘hks’!
I wonder how many times ‘HKS’ was said. Hehe. Nice vid Hawkins as always
I don’t think you said HKS enough in this vid. I think I know where you can get a better 3.0l package though….
Drink every time you hear Andrew say HKS 😂
As soon as i hear hks fcon pro ecu i stop hearing the sales pitch.
Very frustrating to tune and diagnose ecus.
$75,000 USD or about $105,000 CAD for that crate motor. A transmission on this engines level will run another $30-40,000 USD.
Are you serious!?😮
@Desert_Rogue_Tanker Yup, I just googled it after seeing this video. " the HKS 3.0L rb26 crate engine for sale " Bunch of links on top.
Incredible prices , they have a cheaper $60K something option lol
hks pricing has been a scam for years now they love bleeding their customers dry
I’m probably in the minority but I feel underwhelmed by the car. Just a lot of off the shelf stuff aside from the engine and the gimmicky wing (seems more like an air brake than drs). The engine and piston design is neat but I wish they’d debut their full Advanced Heritage RB motor in this flagship with the variable exhaust vcam concept and all the other components they hinted at years ago.
Not a minority. Just not a sheep.
Thay motor is on an engine dyno and designed for fuel efficiency, not power.
If HKS build a car, ofcourse they use their own parts. The car isn't for everyone. It's impossible to be for everyone.
900hp eco mode?!? Damn!
People talk as if they could even afford one
Same. It's not a new idea either.
How much for the crate motor ? 70k AUD?
70k AUD would be too cheap. Its around 76k USD.
According to upgarage USA 119k USD, I think Croydon, matouks and other company's should advertise there crate engines
Wow! Never, ever would have thought a car built by HKS would have sooo many HKS parts on it... 😒
Really liked this at tas but the paint/powercoating on the fuse box and tank in the front corner was terrible
Everyone going stroker kit, meanwhile I'd rather go for a destroked RB, something that basically no one does.
Smaller bore allows for thicker cylinder walls, while shorter stroke allows for longer conrods, smoother operation and potentially higher rpm's.
There is zero real world reason to de-stroke. Also you can't "un bore" a block so not sure where you're going to get thicker cylinder walls. Only RD28 has 85mm bore which will requiring boring to 85.5mm anyway. When a 3.2 can rev to 11,000, what possible reason do you have to go lower capacity?
@MotiveVideo Woah, 11k rpm in a 3.2L? That I didn't know! I had seen them going for 9k...9500 rpm...had no idea some were already tackling 11k. Cool!
For the cylinder walls, would adding new sleeves to the block allow to use smaller bore pistons?
In any case, my main objective with a destroked RB would be to reduce piston speed at those same 10-11...12k rpm.
Lower piston speed, longer conrods to improve the rod/length ratio and allow it to maintain those rpm's more safely while also making the engine even smoother.
Most people go "why?", I go "why not?". Even if no one had done it, for whatever reason [financial, technical, etc.], I like the trying different ideas when it comes to these projects. 🙂👍🏻
step pro vcam ****
Damn x5
Tomei had a crate engine ages ago…
Step 3 were very very rare HKS engines 20 years ago funny how they are now building them again
How much is the engine?
Be better to make a whole new motor, keep the factory stroke and go oversquare to 3.5L or bigger.
Much easier to get the power reliably with the shorter stroke and higher rpm.
Yeah its not the original, but knowing the price will be crazy, its gotta be better than the other RB motors that are available today.
You aren't getting to 3.5 in an rb without a stroker kit
@clonecaptian correct, that's why (if you read my comment) you'll see I said make a whole new motor.
Shorter stroke and oversquare, much better for reliability.
If you went to a 3.5 or etc, 1000hp would be much easier to make and be reliable.
The RB was well ahead of its time, but the r35 knew it needed to go with more displacement to keep up with the competition in the price range it was in.
@ Already done. B30 billet block can be bored to 89.5mm which combined with a Nitto 3.4L stroker crank becomes a 3.6L.
@@MotiveVideo same problem, longer stroke = lower rpm potential and higher stress.
Overhaul and start again.
Make a true, modern RB36 capable of 10,000rpm +.
Make it oversquare, 75mm stroke to allow much higher rpm.
These cars will only be used as track cars.
Make em wild!
Good video, Andrew. Nice to see, but not for me. I'll stick with my TRUE RB26/30 R33.
Is this GTR really going for $600k? That seems unreasonable.
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With longer rods won’t they get a higher piston speed and therefore not be able to rev the engine (the iconic RB sound won’t be the same??)
I think the path that Australian builders have gone is more successful than this
Especially the likes of Herman and his development of his new cast iron blocks removing all the problems from the factory blocks
Knowing Japanese culture, I think they’re just overly keen to use all Japanese products rather than using Whats best
And then developing new complex components just for the sake of it that don’t actually turn out to be so successful
And as the other guy said I think this is an underwhelming build a black car that’s just been wrapped white with some gimmick stuck on it
Personally, I don’t feel a car is a new build if it’s just wrapped
It certainly not complete
I think they went with SHORTER rods, to have more stroke, hence the 2 piece piston design. Remember, Andrew said there isn't enough space to go for a substantial stroke.
Yeah the 3 litre rotating assembly variants designed by HKS and OS Giken both rely on longer rod lengths to achieve that capacity but in turn results in a limited albeit still 9k rpm. Seems the Japanese want nothing to do with the actual rb30 block but I guess that makes sense because it wasn’t really available in their market. Would love to see some of their advanced heritage stuff start to make it’s way out but unfortunately I think other companies will be offering products such as dual variable cam rb26 heads before they release theirs at this stage.
@
That the Japanese want nothing to do with the Rb 30 shows there pigheadedness
Remember with Aussie innovation and feedback to them the r32 would be a slow unreliable thing
Australia race teams and the general car culture fatuity (drag racers) and street cars developed these Rb motors to the iconic level they now have !
@ very much agreed. The Australia innovation to the RB series now outweighs that of what the Japanese have achieved in my opinion. The Japanese are very self centred around Japanese made only components and have basically refused to use any Australian RB components in their builds. Look I have a lot of respect for them and still think they have some incredible stuff but they also tend to make copies or rebrands just to put their name on. Like their turbos for examples are literally just Garrett rebrands as mentioned in the video with very little differences and certainly wouldn’t be any more efficient, which begs the question, why would you even buy one?… oh wait just so you have that name on your turbo. Personally I think the best gtr/rb build can really only be achieved using the best picked newest innovative and technology leading components irrespective of where they come from.
@@michaelb5330 You hit the nail on the head with the 'pigheadedness' - Unfortunately this is true. I live in Japan, and they class anything related to foreigners as inferior. This is due to their past cultural upbringing.. they HATE change haha - Thats why you still need cash at most places in Tokyo.
The other thing is that I wouldnt trust an RB block at 87mm.. certainly not for 750hp, maybe 3-400 max(depending on tune of course).
Meh. Pass.
They should have done a lot better than that. Mines making 1150 whp and it needs more. 750 would not be too impressive to drive.
Ours makes 1200hp. BUt not every build is about horsepower. Majortiy of owners want 600-800 for a street car.
outside of drag racing, 900 is plenty enough
1150whp and still running 11s, yeah no wonder you feel like it's not fast enough you can't put the power down lol
I would take a nitto 3.2 over that engine spec any day. Disappointing really, not much good coming out of Japan. You australian guys have this market hence why I built my car with 90% aussie parts.
Completely agree. Higher displacement is better which is why 3.0 or 3.2 will always be better which is why the 2jz was so popular and easily tuned on stock engine
@chrisshepherd6345 rb26/30 rb26/rd28 can go as high as 3.6L nowadays
I'm sporting nitto 3.2 but nitto now do a 3.3
@ I’m a big nitto fan OZ engines are at the top of their game
@chrisshepherd6345 we also we make billet engines for alot of the top 2jz an k20 / 4g63s in USA (:
@@jjsorenavki7005 I think you guys have mastered 2j and LS engines tbh. Rb is definitely aussie guys
It's wrapped eww
Waste of time and money in my opinion. Just go out and buy Nitto, job done. HKS fanboys 🍌
Who built this car lol
ugh. HKS? !
Could the voice-over be aimed at grown-ups for the next video plz.
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That's a fuckin engine not a motor jfc