Probably most of us who originally subscribed, liked that you filmed your progress. It wasn't that you were creating content. Clickbait like this one, have turned me off. Content yes, conclusion no. "you have been doing it wrong, this is the best way". Until something changes, like off grid and propane,to electric. It's a free format, do what you will. But it isn't a must watch any longer, it's comedy.. And I'll watch occasionally.
You don’t seem to understand what these collectors are designed to collect. Hint, small particulint is not it and you proved it. These are made to take out larger particles. So much work, so much waste of food.
Exactly this. These devices are designed to mitigate *some* fine dust, but their main job is to separate larger particulate like wood chips and planer shavings. They’re not designed to be efficient with fine dust, they’re just too big and crudely designed to deal with stuff like flour. This is a really poor demonstration to actually determine the effectiveness and “should you buy it” rating.
There used to be a time when looked forward to new videos every day. That was about when you guys did the foundation, walls and timber frame. Haven’t seen a video in almost a year.
Keep in mind that the items you were testing are to collect large wood shavings, not necessarily fine particulates like flour. That is because the larger particles can clog the intake of the vacuum and rob it of incoming air. I know it has happened to me while using my thickness planer. I was actually surprised they trapped as much flour as they did. Which probably means the vacuums got all the ultrafine flour particles. Also, yes flour can combust, just look for silo's exploding on the internet, they all had a grain of some type and it was the fine particles that caused the explosion (same with sawdust). The first big flour explosion took out an 8 story building. I would invest in a spark arrester for the hoses where the charge is building.
I thought the reason for the added separators was to cull out the larger pieces. seems you started out with ALL FINES thus defeating the purpose of the unit. Did you really need 3 new vacuums or would it have been the same if you used 1 vacuum and 3 new filters? A little more cost conscious.
Not sure what is happening with this great site but all indications are that they are just taking advantage of a billing opportunity with RUclips or one of the products. Site in the past has had great content and very interesting. Would be nice to get back and finish the house. If he prides himself of his knowledge he is aware OSB chipboard does not have a long life expectancy in the weather. If it gets to the point of delaminating he will find out what problems really are.
flour dust is highly explosive. If you see a grain elevator, each bin is a potential huge stick of dynamite. Don't worry the major cause of these fires are static discharge.
this was probably the most non-scientific testing that I have seen. If you want to avoid a main clogged filter, use disposable dust bags inside of the vacuums. You may want to repeat the test and not fill each dust collector to full capacity. You are seeing overflow 'dust' going to the vacuum. Those results may be more realistic with the proper use of each product.
My understanding is that cyclone dust collection is meant to separate the bigger heavier bits of wood shavings and allow them to drop in the bucket and the finer dust, like flour, would pass through so I’m not entirely sure you conducted a proper test.
I thought the idea of these cyclones is that they collect the larger chips and allow the fine dust to go to the vac. It seems like these are collecting the fine flour dust in the cyclone. And yes, flour dust is explosive.
I purchased a Dustopper prior to watching this video. Before I used it, I changed the filter on my Rigid shop vacuum and cleaned it out. This is hooked up to my table saw and proceeded to cut some scrap lumber. After about 25 cuts to a 2x4, I took the top off of the vacuum. Nothing in there. I removed the Dustopper from the 5 gallon bucket and there is a nice pile of sawdust. It works like a charm!
This feels wrong on so many levels. First: waste of food. Second: risking dust explosion. Third: product placement / unmarked advertising? Not sure about the last one.
Sorry - if you were trying to show that the cyclone separators were efficient at keeping your filters clean from sawdust in a woodworking environment, this was a total fail. Flour does not equal to saw chops nor saw dust.
Do not know why you chose to use flour. Flour will a here or stick to anyting. It's always been very hard to clean up. But these machines weren't meant for cooking flour. You're not working in a bakery. The machines you're working on are mostly used for work shops. I don't feel as though your experiment proved anything. Could you explain why you chose to use the flour.
Buys expensive dust extractor takes it out side and blows filter out with compressed air and no dust mask. Might as well just skip the stage of buying the extractor
Jessie, flour is very explosive, the grain silos don`t explode for no reason, static electricity sets it off. To do this experiment, run a ground wire to the vacum hose hose and earth ground, that way static electricity charges don`t build up.
I'm pretty sure these devices are designed more for wood dust not the finer powder. I use a Duststopper on a Rigid vacuum to collect dust from my chop and table saws and it filters out probably 99%. It's the $40 I've spent.
Recommendations: 1) start with an amount of material that is uniform and less than the capacity of the buckets. 2) use a material that is representative of the use case. 3) use a scale to measure the amount of material that winds up in the bucket. I think you'll find that they're all very effective for material that isn't a fine powder. I expect that only those who sand a lot of drywall and a few other less common things would have the same issues you had. If you'd stuck to sawdust and typical shop detritus, you'd have found all three to work well. In my experience, the things that matter on these are price, size and tippiness. The Dust Deputy loses out of hand because of the height, in my criteria. I rigged a frame to mount my bucket above my Rigid vacuum. The DD just makes it ridiculously tippy. The Dust Right's bucket is too big and the hose connections make the hoses stick up. The Dustopper is relatively inexpensive and works well when mounted atop a vacuum. If you don't move them around and you have the space, any of the three will work great. I have a Dustopper under the workbench behind my table saw. The Dust Deputy and Dust Right wouldn't fit down there but might for your use case. There may be a performance difference between the three, but if there is, it's not enough to matter. I have a big Dust Deputy on my dust collector, and I occasionally have to empty the small overflow bag, but not enough for it to be a problem. In the years I've owned Dustoppers, I can only recall one occasion when I checked the vac and saw enough dust to even consider emptying the vac (about a handful). I have not bought a filter for my rigids since starting to use the Dustoppers.
But why???? Next time you feel like wasting time and alot of Money.... just write me a check. I'll happily waste your money on something more video worthy
I think it's official, they have jumped the shark. You didn't test anything. You don't follow the instructions then talk down about the product. He does this all the time. Blames the tool or company cause he doesn't read or know how to use something.
Remember the beautiful inspirational post and beam they visited prior to raising their timber frame? Whatever happened to that plan? I think they're done. They should just subcontract out the rest of the build. It's beginning to look like gypsies live there.
@@sherizaahd i think the chalk is inedible..thats what makes it so wasteful. Thats why i suggest to reuse the 1st batch, so the 2nd and 3rd batch is not needed..i dont know if he bought the flours thats already expired though, but it seems new to me
Don't ignore your youtube friends. Won't be the same without them. House sideing idea stucco with rock paste. It is fireproof. Do you know where to get rocks?
Flour is lighter than most shop dusts and when the bucket is half full you will start getting more bypass.Flour probably was not the best media to use.
Yep, particle size is important and flour is much finer than typical sawdust. Also, it would have been nice to compare what percentage made it through, not just how the filters look. What a waste this was.
Well I guess the fun of watching the house build and progress is over, we are reduced to no progress and flour so you will loose me as a subscriber and guess many previous followers think the same.
Surely there must be a better way of wasting time and money !!! Obviously you've got a surplus of both !! Looks like RUclips is paying you way too much for this garbage content.
I'm not having the feeling that all is well here, anymore. Maybe the next video will be the design and construction of an overbuilt cat box..............
Sorry Jessie, But you couldn't have picked a more explosive substances. History has shown that flour mills have literally blown up from static electricity from the flour and the dust in the air being the fuel. That's also why grain storage towers sometime explode.
Jesse, be cautious fine flower powder is flammable and the static you had built up could become an issue, anti static hoses could help. In general I recently splurged on a Top of the line Makita vacuum with an H rated filter (for asbestos applications and other extremely dangerous substances) it came with a fabric bag they are pretty cheap and we vacuumed 4000sq feet after grinding the anhidrite screed, works great, no problems with filters clogging or dust on the exhaust. I can recommend it ;)
All that work and expenses and it's an apple and oranges test. Flour particles are super fine and stay airborne a lot longer. These cost affordable dust collecting systems are designed more for like saw dust or other dust that have heavier particles. Even then, they are only designed to collect the heavy particles of wood dust for easy dumping, while your main source has the hepa filters to catch the finer stuff.
Flour is VERY Explosive and you have way too much time on your hands. Maybe you could get back to the building and finishing your home, instead of playing games and spending money.
Doesn’t make sense if you have a 5gal bucket why would you vacuum up 30 or more lbs of flour which is more than the bucket can hold. Wish you would have done a test with about 10 or 15 lbs of flour. Maybe redo the test with less.
Take it from a licensed pyrotechnician, Pretty much any fine particle substance is explosive. We use cremora to make giant fireballs and I've heard of grain mills exploding all the time.
I have the Dust Deputy and used it while ripping a bunch of oak to make trim. When I noticed it, the bucket was about 3/4 full and there was almost no sawdust in the vacuum. You need to redo this test with sawdust, not flour.
Guys, it looks like the kindest advice below is getting you both back to house building. It seems like a fair suggestion, since that’s how this wonderful thing all began. Still massively supporting you all from Edgewood.
I personally never pick up large amounts of dust with a vacuum, I always use a dust pan and brush , then finish off with a vacuum or a damp cloth depending on accessibility.
Did you give up on the house build?
Remember when these two were building a house? That part was fun. I wish those days were back...
So many projects unfinished.
I've seen postings that say Jesse has fallen off the roof trying to fix a leak? Are these spoof or is it true?
when do you expect to wrap and side the house?
In the past I would look forward to watching your vids but lately they are a waste of time ! What is going on with you guys ?
What they’ll this got to do with HOUSE BUILD
Keeping your indoor shop clean while building your house?
Probably most of us who originally subscribed, liked that you filmed your progress.
It wasn't that you were creating content.
Clickbait like this one, have turned me off. Content yes, conclusion no. "you have been doing it wrong, this is the best way". Until something changes, like off grid and propane,to electric.
It's a free format, do what you will.
But it isn't a must watch any longer, it's comedy.. And I'll watch occasionally.
What the heck is going on with you guys, the last few videos have been very questionable and why has the home build stopped.
Dr Gunsmith absolutely
Hope your insurance is up to date .Flour suspended in air plus static electricity is a perfect recipe for an explosion
between this and the epoxy video the amount of misinformation is astounding.
You don’t seem to understand what these collectors are designed to collect. Hint, small particulint is not it and you proved it. These are made to take out larger particles. So much work, so much waste of food.
Exactly this. These devices are designed to mitigate *some* fine dust, but their main job is to separate larger particulate like wood chips and planer shavings. They’re not designed to be efficient with fine dust, they’re just too big and crudely designed to deal with stuff like flour. This is a really poor demonstration to actually determine the effectiveness and “should you buy it” rating.
Are you ever gonna put siding on your house?
Thought I'd laugh my bag off
Yes, projected time line: Oct. 17, 2029.
When are u going back to work on the house by
i miss house building videos
Next vid should be on waterproof toasters....
There used to be a time when looked forward to new videos every day. That was about when you guys did the foundation, walls and timber frame.
Haven’t seen a video in almost a year.
+1 - You're gonna start losing us with useless content like this...
@@92804dv Theres the door...
You do realise that flower is highly flammable when it's dispersed in the air. And also that static is perfect way to light it.
Is that why Mario eats one so he can shoot fireballs?
typo :P - flour would be correct ;)@@remyllebeau77
@@Bungee75 :D
Interesting video, how about one on house wrap next? What happens to a SIP if the outside OSB goes bad?
Keep in mind that the items you were testing are to collect large wood shavings, not necessarily fine particulates like flour. That is because the larger particles can clog the intake of the vacuum and rob it of incoming air. I know it has happened to me while using my thickness planer. I was actually surprised they trapped as much flour as they did. Which probably means the vacuums got all the ultrafine flour particles. Also, yes flour can combust, just look for silo's exploding on the internet, they all had a grain of some type and it was the fine particles that caused the explosion (same with sawdust). The first big flour explosion took out an 8 story building. I would invest in a spark arrester for the hoses where the charge is building.
What happened to the build vids. Y'all taking the year off?
I thought the reason for the added separators was to cull out the larger pieces. seems you started out with ALL FINES thus defeating the purpose of the unit. Did you really need 3 new vacuums or would it have been the same if you used 1 vacuum and 3 new filters? A little more cost conscious.
I guess that each new vac will get dedicated to a specific wood-working machine,
when they set up a shop-space that is not their basement.
Actually flour is explosive, and it's a serious problem in big plants. 70% of powdery materials used in industry are flammable-explosive.
You beat me by 15 seconds! Lol...
PLEASE don't do this again guys!
Very dangerous!
Jess makes the comment about hoping flour not being explosive... YES!!!! It is.....
Not sure what is happening with this great site but all indications are that they are just taking advantage of a billing opportunity with RUclips or one of the products. Site in the past has had great content and very interesting. Would be nice to get back and finish the house. If he prides himself of his knowledge he is aware OSB chipboard does not have a long life expectancy in the weather. If it gets to the point of delaminating he will find out what problems really are.
25 videos on building garage cabinets, it is about making a lot of money not about the work
Hey, just curious - are there going to be any more videos about house construction and homesteading?
flour dust is highly explosive. If you see a grain elevator, each bin is a potential huge stick of dynamite. Don't worry the major cause of these fires are static discharge.
what a waste of everyones time
Just build your house.
My guess is, that you don't have a kid
Flour is maybe more explosive than dynamite.🧨 There is a reason why people mix it with water and other ingredients to make or bake it solid.😱
Will someone please explain to me the relevancy of this video?
this was probably the most non-scientific testing that I have seen. If you want to avoid a main clogged filter, use disposable dust bags inside of the vacuums. You may want to repeat the test and not fill each dust collector to full capacity. You are seeing overflow 'dust' going to the vacuum. Those results may be more realistic with the proper use of each product.
Jesse you've got to much time on your hands
And money apparently.
How hard is it to get the electrical pulled? Wasting time demonstrating why dust collectors exist.
My understanding is that cyclone dust collection is meant to separate the bigger heavier bits of wood shavings and allow them to drop in the bucket and the finer dust, like flour, would pass through so I’m not entirely sure you conducted a proper test.
Looks like a waste of money if you can't prove the basic concept.
I thought the idea of these cyclones is that they collect the larger chips and allow the fine dust to go to the vac. It seems like these are collecting the fine flour dust in the cyclone. And yes, flour dust is explosive.
What was the point, and what did you prove?
Sorry to see such a waste of time and energy as well as flour. I wonder if your intent is to actually reduce your following?
Mike Caffery I guess so
Nothing but junk videos anymore
agree 100%
yeah do agree I like all their videos
Are you still kicking dirt on the empire's shoe Billy Martin? Lol
I purchased a Dustopper prior to watching this video. Before I used it, I changed the filter on my Rigid shop vacuum and cleaned it out. This is hooked up to my table saw and proceeded to cut some scrap lumber. After about 25 cuts to a 2x4, I took the top off of the vacuum. Nothing in there. I removed the Dustopper from the 5 gallon bucket and there is a nice pile of sawdust. It works like a charm!
This feels wrong on so many levels. First: waste of food. Second: risking dust explosion. Third: product placement / unmarked advertising? Not sure about the last one.
YES flour is very explosive.
Did you read any of the instruction manuals? I know that one of them says not to fill the bucket or the cyclone doesn't work.
Sorry - if you were trying to show that the cyclone separators were efficient at keeping your filters clean from sawdust in a woodworking environment, this was a total fail. Flour does not equal to saw chops nor saw dust.
Do not know why you chose to use flour. Flour will a here or stick to anyting. It's always been very hard to clean up. But these machines weren't meant for cooking flour. You're not working in a bakery. The machines you're working on are mostly used for work shops. I don't feel as though your experiment proved anything. Could you explain why you chose to use the flour.
They're used to clean up drywall dust, which is probably close to the same particle size as flour.
Buys expensive dust extractor takes it out side and blows filter out with compressed air and no dust mask. Might as well just skip the stage of buying the extractor
Jessie, flour is very explosive, the grain silos don`t explode for no reason, static electricity sets it off. To do this experiment, run a ground wire to the vacum hose hose and earth ground, that way static electricity charges don`t build up.
Work on your house.. What did I watch?
questions: How much money was spent on this? Why do things like this before wrapping and siding the house?
Dude The house is of SIP construction You have to fish absolutely all of the electrical before you can do that. Your first video?
@@flyingmonkey3315 Thats BS. But if true it should have been done first thing.
What a waste of flour (and my time)
Yes it is EXPLOSIVE.
I guess he never read or heard about explosions at granaries.... live and learn.... or not
I think he's bored and has money to waste.
Absolutely shameful waste
Yea, probably about $700 wrapped up in this "experiment". Where is the value in that?
you don't know yet what he's doing with it so how can you tell its waste?
@@eagle1de227 Flour is food to most of us, & Jesse's just made that possible food, non-useable, that is wasted food..
@@tigerspook1 they didn't throw it away yet. So just wait what they come up with before you say it's wasted.
That was really a waste of money and my time, you didn't prove anything.
Move on then
E Spears that reply was a waste of time too. So happy I have so much extra
@@garybensel6680 pretty sure he's trying to keep his indoor shop clean
Looked like a waist of time and money.
You have way too much time on your hands, get back to building something usefull
Total nonsense!!!
Flour is much lighter than saw dust, don’t expect it to work like it would with saw dust. The test is flawed from the start.
Flour is a lot lighter than sawdust and also finer. Flour is very explosive when in suspension with air. Keep safe.
I'm pretty sure these devices are designed more for wood dust not the finer powder. I use a Duststopper on a Rigid vacuum to collect dust from my chop and table saws and it filters out probably 99%. It's the $40 I've spent.
Flour is VERY explosive!
Let do anything else but work on our house...
Wow so much waste of flour
you don't know yet what he's doing with it after the test. So you cannot tell its wasted...
@@eagle1de227 well with the colored chalk its pretty inedible
@@richardleprince2115 lets see what they'll come up with
You need to clean the vac filters out and try the comparison again using saw dust NOT FLOUR!
Sorry, gotta join the naysayers here. Wasting food is just wrong.
Recommendations: 1) start with an amount of material that is uniform and less than the capacity of the buckets. 2) use a material that is representative of the use case. 3) use a scale to measure the amount of material that winds up in the bucket.
I think you'll find that they're all very effective for material that isn't a fine powder. I expect that only those who sand a lot of drywall and a few other less common things would have the same issues you had. If you'd stuck to sawdust and typical shop detritus, you'd have found all three to work well. In my experience, the things that matter on these are price, size and tippiness. The Dust Deputy loses out of hand because of the height, in my criteria. I rigged a frame to mount my bucket above my Rigid vacuum. The DD just makes it ridiculously tippy. The Dust Right's bucket is too big and the hose connections make the hoses stick up. The Dustopper is relatively inexpensive and works well when mounted atop a vacuum. If you don't move them around and you have the space, any of the three will work great. I have a Dustopper under the workbench behind my table saw. The Dust Deputy and Dust Right wouldn't fit down there but might for your use case.
There may be a performance difference between the three, but if there is, it's not enough to matter. I have a big Dust Deputy on my dust collector, and I occasionally have to empty the small overflow bag, but not enough for it to be a problem. In the years I've owned Dustoppers, I can only recall one occasion when I checked the vac and saw enough dust to even consider emptying the vac (about a handful). I have not bought a filter for my rigids since starting to use the Dustoppers.
Did you find out how explosive flour is?
Yup, its very explosive! Even more than saw dust.
dust flowing through a plastic pipe is asking to blow the roof off
creamer is better. woomph let there be fire.
But why???? Next time you feel like wasting time and alot of Money.... just write me a check. I'll happily waste your money on something more video worthy
Where was your "control"...a vacuum with NO dust cyclone? Oh...by the way, flour dust is explosively flammable with direct flame exposure.
I think it's official, they have jumped the shark. You didn't test anything. You don't follow the instructions then talk down about the product. He does this all the time. Blames the tool or company cause he doesn't read or know how to use something.
Remember the beautiful inspirational post and beam they visited prior to raising their timber frame? Whatever happened to that plan? I think they're done. They should just subcontract out the rest of the build. It's beginning to look like gypsies live there.
the fine dust that came through. also, why waste so much flour when you could dump the 1st one and use it again? bake cookie, not waste it please
@@sherizaahd i think the chalk is inedible..thats what makes it so wasteful. Thats why i suggest to reuse the 1st batch, so the 2nd and 3rd batch is not needed..i dont know if he bought the flours thats already expired though, but it seems new to me
Don't ignore your youtube friends. Won't be the same without them.
House sideing idea stucco with rock paste. It is fireproof. Do you know where to get rocks?
Yes flour is explosive. Try blowing some off of your hand toward a lit match
The outside of your house isn't finished. FAIL !
Flour is lighter than most shop dusts and when the bucket is half full you will start getting more bypass.Flour probably was not the best media to use.
Yep, particle size is important and flour is much finer than typical sawdust. Also, it would have been nice to compare what percentage made it through, not just how the filters look. What a waste this was.
Well I guess the fun of watching the house build and progress is over, we are reduced to no progress and flour so you will loose me as a subscriber and guess many previous followers think the same.
I hate to tell you BOOM. Flour and air mix is highly explosive. All flour mills have specialist anti-static equipment.
Andy Sikorski and grain elevators.
@@MikeZMonroe Thanks, I dident know that it was the same for grain.
This is a Darwin Award application video! Luckily you didn't win.
What a waist of food. :(
Surely there must be a better way of wasting time and money !!! Obviously you've got a surplus of both !! Looks like RUclips is paying you way too much for this garbage content.
Jessie, fine dust is very explosive in flour or cement factories
Check out lycopodium powder experiments.
Don't waste food people around the world starving?
Flour is explosive when airborne and can be pretty dangerous in large quantities in a dust cloud.
Flour is very combustible ! Several grain bins have exploded over the years from dust and wheat chaff accumulation !
You got lucky !
Note to Jesse: Always clean vacuum filters facing downwind, not upwind.
I'm not having the feeling that all is well here, anymore. Maybe the next video will be the design and construction of an overbuilt cat box..............
Probably divided in a series of 10+ videos
@@Niak2307 I wish he did a video on how far 10lt of fuel in his plane before running out !
Dust and static is actually kinda dangerous btw.
Sorry Jessie, But you couldn't have picked a more explosive substances. History has shown that flour mills have literally blown up from static electricity from the flour and the dust in the air being the fuel. That's also why grain storage towers sometime explode.
Yes, and barn fires are spectacular because the dust in them explodes!
Jesse, be cautious fine flower powder is flammable and the static you had built up could become an issue, anti static hoses could help. In general I recently splurged on a Top of the line Makita vacuum with an H rated filter (for asbestos applications and other extremely dangerous substances) it came with a fabric bag they are pretty cheap and we vacuumed 4000sq feet after grinding the anhidrite screed, works great, no problems with filters clogging or dust on the exhaust. I can recommend it ;)
Remember that, while you're downstairs, playing Mr Wizard & creating a flash- over/explosive hazard...you've got your FAMILY upstairs.
nobody living there
All that work and expenses and it's an apple and oranges test. Flour particles are super fine and stay airborne a lot longer. These cost affordable dust collecting systems are designed more for like saw dust or other dust that have heavier particles. Even then, they are only designed to collect the heavy particles of wood dust for easy dumping, while your main source has the hepa filters to catch the finer stuff.
Flour is VERY Explosive and you have way too much time on your hands. Maybe you could get back to the building and finishing your home, instead of playing games and spending money.
All 3 were overfilled. Pointless test to me ??
Doesn’t make sense if you have a 5gal bucket why would you vacuum up 30 or more lbs of flour which is more than the bucket can hold. Wish you would have done a test with about 10 or 15 lbs of flour. Maybe redo the test with less.
Take it from a licensed pyrotechnician, Pretty much any fine particle substance is explosive. We use cremora to make giant fireballs and I've heard of grain mills exploding all the time.
I have the Dust Deputy and used it while ripping a bunch of oak to make trim. When I noticed it, the bucket was about 3/4 full and there was almost no sawdust in the vacuum.
You need to redo this test with sawdust, not flour.
Congratulations! You just lost another subscriber. Have fun waiting another Month for video everybody....
Bye..
Yes flour is very explosive!
Old Guy, true, anything is explosive with enough heat/pressure
Guys, it looks like the kindest advice below is getting you both back to house building. It seems like a fair suggestion, since that’s how this wonderful thing all began. Still massively supporting you all from Edgewood.
Flour dust can be extremely explosive. Mills have blown up catastrophically on several occasions.
I personally never pick up large amounts of dust with a vacuum, I always use a dust pan and brush , then finish off with a vacuum or a damp cloth depending on accessibility.