The 4th not the 3rd but yeah he just abandoned him and gave him barely enough for rent and cup ramen and it's obvious why he did it his wife was killed by the 9 tails like almost everyone else he saw naruto as the demon fox that killed his wife not the son of his successor or a child of the leaf
Except Naruto being Minato’s son is a retcon. Naruto started out as Kyuubi sealed in human form. So if you use that metric Hiruzen wasn’t a bad guy until Kishimoto retconned Naruto’s origin with no regard to how it damages the begining plot.
@@robertivey7644 No, he's still shit as a leader. Donzo and Orichimaru can test to that, putting all the weight he did on Itachi tests to it, too. Naruto is just the homie and, despite his pranking issues, was a good kid so that's the point that bothered me the most. I should have said the major issue with Hiruzen instead.
@@robertivey7644naruto being minato's son was not a retcon. The in the original draft of naruto, naruto was the son of kurama. But befor it was published, the editors disnt like the original story, so kishimoto rewrote it into the naruto we know. In order for it to be a retcon, it had to be established first.
Yea he had a lot of challenges but he pretty much caused those challenges. Danzo was a walking red flag but he chose to let him do his thing for way too long and that caused or contributed to all the other problems. He also looked the other way on orochimaru and let him escape only for him to come back and become the biggest problem doesn’t matter if he was his student kakashi and the 4th were willing to kill their students with much less hesitation. The third was a passive perv that let the village run unmanaged. Of course different groups like danzo oro and the uchiha were all fighting for power that’s what happens when there is a power vacuum at the top.
Facts. The problems with the Uchiha came to a boiling point when they fucked Fugaku out of the Hokage position due to racism and gave it to Minato. A decision that Minato himself was strongly against. Minato even said himself he didn't deserve the title, that it should've been Fugaku in the position.
@@BulldozerTheDon nah minato definitely deserved it, he was just being humble. But that wasn’t the boiling point. It would have been fine eventually if they didn’t keep fucking with the uchiha after.
@@BulldozerTheDon I don't believe that Minato ever said that it should've been Fugaku. There were 2 candidates that could be chosen, Orochimaru and Minato. Ultimately, Minato became the Hokage. I don't think there is a reason besides "He's an Uchiha" that Fugaku should've become the Hokage. Orochimaru was older and had much more experience, Minato was younger, much stronger, and liked by a majority of the village. Fugaku is just a less experienced Orochimaru, or a much weaker, slightly more experienced Minato.
Minato, after learning of Obitos identity as the person that destroyed half of the village, killed his wife, almost killed his kid, and caused his own death hesitated killing Obito. Hiruzen was in the same situation, but he wasn't in a fight where the world was at stake, so he let Orochimaru go. (Orochimaru was basically Hiruzens 3rd Child) Danzo isn't nearly as bad as you think he is.
@@Xyro-- minato hesitated for a moment when he first found out but that’s not the same as letting him go he still resolved to killing him. The whole thing about being hokage is that village comes first minato didn’t have to die when obito attacked but he sacrificed himself and basically cursed his son just so that he would have the power to protect the village in the future, Naruto was willing to kill Boruto at one point. Hashirama kept giving madara chances when he would attack him or his clan but killed him the fist time he attacked the village. All hokage put the village first except the third. The thing about danzo is that he is selfish and puts himself above the village then pretends what he does is for the greater good as an excuse even though it’s not, he’s basically the opposite of what a hokage should be and he was borderline openly rebellious against the third but hiruzen kept letting him get away with it. Letting someone who openly defies you can only lead to them getting bolder and worse, so maybe danzo wasn’t so bad at first but hiruzen kept letting him get more and more out of control until it was too late, he finally reigned him in after the uchiha massacre but there were plenty of chances and signs before that. He didn’t even punish him either just started to watch him closely and took some autonomy away from him, as soon as hiruzen died danzo went right back to his bullshit because hiruzen never officially removed him from power and it almost got tsunade killed and the leave ostracized by the other villages.
It was too late to save the Uchiha. There is NOTHING he could have said to change their minds about the damage and stigma they had already over their lives
people talk about keeping the 3rds son poor but lets remember Naruto was a rascal so maybe it was his way as giving Naruto a lesson not to take things for granted and to respect everyone instead of graffitiing the noble leaders of the village he lives in💀
He was a rascal because the third fucked up. He let the village abuse, neglect, and shun an innocent child. Kept him living in destitution and never gave him any real support. How the hell you expect a child who was never given love, guidance, or even a shred of kindness to act. If Naruto became a villain and wanted to destroy the leaf he would have been completely justified in doing so.
He knew Naruto was the 3rds son but kept him broke
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The 4th not the 3rd but yeah he just abandoned him and gave him barely enough for rent and cup ramen and it's obvious why he did it his wife was killed by the 9 tails like almost everyone else he saw naruto as the demon fox that killed his wife not the son of his successor or a child of the leaf
I'm only really upset with his lack of holding up his promise for Naruto's proper upkeep. He could have been WAY better there
Except Naruto being Minato’s son is a retcon. Naruto started out as Kyuubi sealed in human form. So if you use that metric Hiruzen wasn’t a bad guy until Kishimoto retconned Naruto’s origin with no regard to how it damages the begining plot.
@@robertivey7644 No, he's still shit as a leader. Donzo and Orichimaru can test to that, putting all the weight he did on Itachi tests to it, too. Naruto is just the homie and, despite his pranking issues, was a good kid so that's the point that bothered me the most. I should have said the major issue with Hiruzen instead.
@@robertivey7644naruto being minato's son was not a retcon. The in the original draft of naruto, naruto was the son of kurama. But befor it was published, the editors disnt like the original story, so kishimoto rewrote it into the naruto we know. In order for it to be a retcon, it had to be established first.
@@swordmaster8362 It’s established in the first chapter.
Yea he had a lot of challenges but he pretty much caused those challenges. Danzo was a walking red flag but he chose to let him do his thing for way too long and that caused or contributed to all the other problems. He also looked the other way on orochimaru and let him escape only for him to come back and become the biggest problem doesn’t matter if he was his student kakashi and the 4th were willing to kill their students with much less hesitation. The third was a passive perv that let the village run unmanaged. Of course different groups like danzo oro and the uchiha were all fighting for power that’s what happens when there is a power vacuum at the top.
Facts. The problems with the Uchiha came to a boiling point when they fucked Fugaku out of the Hokage position due to racism and gave it to Minato. A decision that Minato himself was strongly against. Minato even said himself he didn't deserve the title, that it should've been Fugaku in the position.
@@BulldozerTheDon nah minato definitely deserved it, he was just being humble. But that wasn’t the boiling point. It would have been fine eventually if they didn’t keep fucking with the uchiha after.
@@BulldozerTheDon I don't believe that Minato ever said that it should've been Fugaku. There were 2 candidates that could be chosen, Orochimaru and Minato. Ultimately, Minato became the Hokage. I don't think there is a reason besides "He's an Uchiha" that Fugaku should've become the Hokage. Orochimaru was older and had much more experience, Minato was younger, much stronger, and liked by a majority of the village. Fugaku is just a less experienced Orochimaru, or a much weaker, slightly more experienced Minato.
Minato, after learning of Obitos identity as the person that destroyed half of the village, killed his wife, almost killed his kid, and caused his own death hesitated killing Obito. Hiruzen was in the same situation, but he wasn't in a fight where the world was at stake, so he let Orochimaru go. (Orochimaru was basically Hiruzens 3rd Child) Danzo isn't nearly as bad as you think he is.
@@Xyro-- minato hesitated for a moment when he first found out but that’s not the same as letting him go he still resolved to killing him. The whole thing about being hokage is that village comes first minato didn’t have to die when obito attacked but he sacrificed himself and basically cursed his son just so that he would have the power to protect the village in the future, Naruto was willing to kill Boruto at one point. Hashirama kept giving madara chances when he would attack him or his clan but killed him the fist time he attacked the village. All hokage put the village first except the third. The thing about danzo is that he is selfish and puts himself above the village then pretends what he does is for the greater good as an excuse even though it’s not, he’s basically the opposite of what a hokage should be and he was borderline openly rebellious against the third but hiruzen kept letting him get away with it. Letting someone who openly defies you can only lead to them getting bolder and worse, so maybe danzo wasn’t so bad at first but hiruzen kept letting him get more and more out of control until it was too late, he finally reigned him in after the uchiha massacre but there were plenty of chances and signs before that. He didn’t even punish him either just started to watch him closely and took some autonomy away from him, as soon as hiruzen died danzo went right back to his bullshit because hiruzen never officially removed him from power and it almost got tsunade killed and the leave ostracized by the other villages.
Yeah... now that i think about. With the cards he had at hand, i think he made the best options. He had to relay mostly on kakashi and Itachi.
He also had to rely on Hiruzen which he didn’t know was giving bad information at the time.
Tell me why I thought “ ZATCH BELL “ was in the Naruto Universe 😂
It was too late to save the Uchiha.
There is NOTHING he could have said to change their minds about the damage and stigma they had already over their lives
…. Pretty sure a lot of his problems would’ve been solved if he dealt with Danzo
That is true, but Danzo is a master manipulator
people talk about keeping the 3rds son poor but lets remember Naruto was a rascal so maybe it was his way as giving Naruto a lesson not to take things for granted and to respect everyone instead of graffitiing the noble leaders of the village he lives in💀
He was a rascal because the third fucked up. He let the village abuse, neglect, and shun an innocent child. Kept him living in destitution and never gave him any real support. How the hell you expect a child who was never given love, guidance, or even a shred of kindness to act. If Naruto became a villain and wanted to destroy the leaf he would have been completely justified in doing so.
@@BulldozerTheDon yeah he literally abandoned him and barely gave him enough money to live that doesn't build character that causes trauma
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