How about a little perspective? While I can agree with Fawaz Gerges on the US' involvement to bring Mossadegh out of power. I also agree with @Ducatipunk 's comments about how Mossadegh wasn't precisely the progressive democratic leader that Fawaz Gerges paints him to be. Fawaz Gerges' perspective is clear form the beginning when he calls MI 6, M16. A lapsus mente? Perhaps. But it's certainly suggestive. It's also suggestive, that even though MI 6 is mentioned, there is little, if any imagery offered in this video to represent the UK's involvement. I agree with Fawaz Gerges that binary propositions of alignment are problematic. But I find it curious how Russia, the other side of that binary proposition, isn't mentioned at all in this video. Especially, when we're setting off from a premise in the 1950s AND petroleum companies were nationalized. Especially, when contemporary Russian identity is so entrenched, at the time, in being anti-capitalist, and later this morphed into being anti-west. Even today, Putin's rhetoric is based on Russian identity being "Anti". The truth is power is ugly because for superpowers (plural) to become more powerful, power must be taken from other countries. However, we as a civilization, haven't learned a different coexistence than within power structures. As far as I can tell, the #1 motivation for other countries to complain about those most powerful, is nothing more than desire for more power themselves. It's not like Iran is not an EXTREMELY powerful country today. In fact, it is more powerful than most. Depending on the metrics, it ranks between 14th and 34th place out of 195 countries. As for the Middle East / West Asia, Saudi Arabia and the UAE rank in the top 10 most powerful countries in the world. Well over a decade ago, we entered another cold war. Perhaps the US comes out on top, perhaps China will. Still, even if the US loses its position as the 1st superpower, another superpower will emerge to fill the vacuum and alignments will be roughly the same.
Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy. The 'Arsenal of Democracy' produces 40 percent of the world's weapons. It is a very profitable business model in which other countries buy these weapons to fight each other. The key is maximizing profits without shedding US blood by inducing conflicts between and within countries outside the USA. One client is eager to spend AUD 368 billion to buy a few high-quality used nuclear-powered submarines. This business model's critical components are NATO, QUAD, ANZUS, Five Eyes, AUKUS, and MCC (Mutual Cross-Service Agreement). Since WWII, the United States has started 201 wars, overthrew 36 foreign leaders, killed or attempted to kill 50, dropped bombs in 30 countries, and interfered in 86 foreign elections. To make the world safe for democracy, the US has caused the deaths of tens of millions of people in its conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. The CIA was involved in covert operations that resulted in mass killings of communists in over 22 countries, 500,000 to 2,000,000 Indonesian civilians disappeared in 1965-1966.
U.S. Intervened in Chile yet today Chile is South Americas most prosperous, free and stable Democratic societies. In fact Freedom House gives Chile a score of 94 out 100 for political rights and civil liberties, a HIGHER score than U.S.A with a score of 83 out of 100. Same story in South Korea, a Military Dictatorship until 1987 now matches the U.S. in Civil liberties and political rights. The answer to question “why is Middle East at war” is better found in the cultural shortcomings of the Muslim world.
@@CarterSimon777 IRAN had enormous strategic Military Importance to the U.S. . Iran had over 1000 miles of border with the Soviet Union and was what was standing between U.S.S.R and the oil rich Persian Gulf region.
Wrong analysis. Some countries simply don't matter. A country like UAE is so small to even matter. However countries like Iran can be a regional hegemon. It's full of oil, gas, and natural resources. Young educated population and so on. A global super power won't treat these countries the same. UAE or Chile can never be a threat and never make progress beyond a certain bar. However countries like China with its population or as vast as Russia can cause serious problems for US. You have to analyse geopolitical through their lens.
@@dubu4016 No one mentioned UAE! We are talking about the events of 1953 in Iran and their wrong characterization as a C.I.A coup. South Korea’s Economic prowess is a direct challenge to U.S. corporations market share. On the other hand Iran, a nation which sits on top of world’s largest combined oil & gas reserves, has to import refined petroleum products for domestic consumption. Under the corruption and mismanagement of the Islamic Republic, Iran can only be a regional nuisance but never a challenge to the super power status.
The things we do to maintain an empire!! The US is no different than other nations that once held the prestigious and coveted position of “top dog” in international affairs. That kind of power requires a firm and often violent hand to maintain its supremacy. I wonder if global affairs is doomed to be conducted through these means.
FACT#3 Mossadegh illegally and in a blatant violation of Iranian constitution dissolved the Majlis (parliament) . According to the 1906 Iranian Constitution and many precedents, in times when the Parliament is not in session, the Shah has the sole authority to dismiss and appoint the prime minister and consultation with Majlis is not required. Shah issued a lawful and constitutional order to dismiss Mossadegh. Mossadegh’s rejection of Shahs lawful constitutional dismissal order was in fact the real coup. As the military was under command of Mossadegh and he ordered the Royal Guard to be disarmed and dissolved.
I agree with you on this point. But I also agree with Fawaz Gerges on the US' involvement to bring Mossadegh out of power. I think both are not mutually exclusive. Fawaz Gerges' perspective is clear form the beginning when he calls MI 6, M16. A lapsus mente? Perhaps. But it's certainly suggestive. I agree that binary propositions of alignment are problematic. But I find it curious how Russia, the other side of that binary proposition, isn't mentioned at all in this video. Especially, when we're setting off from a premise in the 1950s AND petroleum companies were nationalized. Especially, when contemporary Russian identity is so entrenched in being anti-capitalist, at the time, and later this morphed into being anti-west. Even today, Putin's rhetoric is based on Russian identity being "Anti". The truth is power is ugly because for superpowers to be more powerful, power must be taken from other countries. However, we as a civilization, haven't learned a different coexistence than within power structure. As far as I can tell, the #1 motivation for other countries to complain about those most powerful, is nothing more than desire for more power themselves. It's not like Iran is not an EXTREMELY powerful country today. In fact, it is more powerful than most. Depending on the metrics, it ranks between 14th and 34th place out of 195 countries. As for the Middle East / West Asia, Saudi Arabia and the UAE rank in the top 10 most powerful countries in the world. Well over a decade ago, we entered another cold war. Perhaps the US comes out on top, perhaps China will. Still, even if the US loses its position as the 1st superpower, another superpower will emerge to fill the vacuum.
@@Anil18834 Involvement is different than a “ COUP” which this was NOT. In fact U.S. saw Mossadegh’s nationalism as a bulwark against communism and a favorable view of him. When Mossadegh visited the U.S. in 1951 he needed medical attention and he was hospitalized in the Presidential suite at Walter Reed Hospital in D.C. The British government had recognized as of October of 1952 the principle of Iranian oil nationalization. And 5 different proposal were given to Mossadegh, even his own advisors told him to accept the 5th proposal which was in the Interest of Iran and met every criteria of the nationalization law. Mossadegh began his premiership with a large coalition but it was his power grab that turned many in his coalition against him. Even members of National Front had turned against him. U.S. declassified confidential documents in 2017 that clearly show the CIA,nor the headquarters nor the station in Tehran, had any clue about the events of August 19th 1953. This was not a “coup” by any stretch of imagination. It was a constitutional lawful action by the Shah. Fawaz Georges is either ignorant or lying to further his agenda.
It isn't "Em sixteen" it is "Em eye six". During the Great War, British Military Intelligence was divided into numbered departments (MI1 to MI19). The names MI5 and MI6 stuck around after the war and were used for the Security Service and Secret Intelligence Service. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(United_Kingdom)#Sections
West Asia is at war today, because the so-called champion of democracy and the United Kingdom illegally removed in 1953 the Iranian democratically elected leader that so many people compared to Gandhi? Now it makes perfect sense why the United States (US) and its allies are unconditionally supporting the artificial colonial settler regime of Israel in its genocide against the indigenous people of Palestine. Now it makes perfect sense why 38 million Americans live in poverty and 60% live from paycheck to paycheck, as 9 of the 10 richest men in the world are US citizens. Now it makes perfect sense why the US wanted to kill Julian Assange for providing the world with evidence that proves that the US is unquestionably the world’s biggest threat to peace. And, now it also makes perfect sense why the US has consistently refused to comply with 42 United Nations’ resolutions demanding that it immediately return Puerto Rico’s sovereignty to the Puerto Ricans. “Make America Great Again” means the Doomsday Clock striking midnight!
This is great powers politics. If you are a hegemon like the United states you want to be in this position forever. It's in your interest to grow economically while others stagnate. That's why you create conflicts in the Middle East. So these countries would buy your military weapons and spend billions of dollars on wars therefore they remain weak forever while you profit from these wars and make progress rapidly. The whole democracy argument is collapsing. Many countries who have made significant progress weren't or aren't domocracies at all.
FACT#1: Mossadegh was NOT ELECTED prime minister. And Mossadegh’s party, the National Front, did NOT have a majority in majlis ( a consultative assembly) to become the prime minister. Under 1906 Iranian constitution the Shah was the head of the executive branch of government, and appointed Prime Minister in consultation with the Majlis. In 1951 Mossadegh was appointed by the Shah with a vote of Confidence by the Majlis. After Mossadegh’s resignation in 1952 he was appointed by the Shah. There NEVER was any ELECTIONS involved in Mossadegh’s appointment to premiership.
@@luisbustamante9869 and just like that, without offering any foundation as to why tou disagree. You attempt to invalidate a solid argument, without any thoughtful counter argument.
He was never elected in an election but that’s only presenting a portion of the story. The Shah confirmed his PM appointment precisely because he was immensely popular with the masses and to curb the right-wing Fedayeen, especially after their assasinations of government officials. Mosadegh had resigned before many times before precisely because the Majlis (Parliament) was a sitting duck.
@@moonashraf9769 Mossadegh released Khalil Tahmasebi, the Fadayeen Islam terrorist who assassinated Prime Minister Razm Ara, from prison and the day after his release met this terrorist in private for 45 minute. What kind of a liberal Democrat was he? Nothing that Mossadegh ever dId was constitutional, in fact he was an anti-constitutionalist during Mohammad Ali Shah Qajar who attacked the parliament with artillery and shut it down. Mohammad Ali Shah made an anti constitutional majlis of his personal appointees mostly from Qajar family, Mossadegh was one his appointees. He conveniently became a constitutionalist when Pahlavi dynasty took power. Iranians will never make any progress when they believe a contemporary history that is all Myths and FICTION.
@@DUCATIPUNK He was not perfect but he did pass several socialist bills including the Land Reform and employment benefits. He’s lauded because he tried to increase the power of the Majlis, which is a step towards true parliamentary democracy. But the burden on us, is to prove what we would have done that was better, with a crown and foreign powers that sought to curb that. And the “narrative” has been confirmed by the U.S.’ release of documents in 2013 that state they did pay protestors and Operation Ajax was a reality, not some far-fletched Cold-War propaganda.
Most if not all that is attributed to mosadegh in the very beginning of this short video ( with big claims ) are at least not applicable ( if not intended falsifying). Me as an Iranian hearing you miles away in London Describing mosadegh as liberal democrat who believes in rule of law/human rights/checks and balances... And I'm shocked: WTF. Of course the king who came back to power after overthrowing mosadegh was a despotic monarch according to modern western human science but the One who stood up against him wasn't a liberal who believes in virtues like democracy, rule of law and so on and so forth.
Im happy to see LSE isn’t afraid to speak what is true about western imperialism.
I share the same view, furthermore, is surprising 😮
How about a little perspective?
While I can agree with Fawaz Gerges on the US' involvement to bring Mossadegh out of power. I also agree with @Ducatipunk 's comments about how Mossadegh wasn't precisely the progressive democratic leader that Fawaz Gerges paints him to be.
Fawaz Gerges' perspective is clear form the beginning when he calls MI 6, M16.
A lapsus mente? Perhaps. But it's certainly suggestive.
It's also suggestive, that even though MI 6 is mentioned, there is little, if any imagery offered in this video to represent the UK's involvement.
I agree with Fawaz Gerges that binary propositions of alignment are problematic. But I find it curious how Russia, the other side of that binary proposition, isn't mentioned at all in this video.
Especially, when we're setting off from a premise in the 1950s AND petroleum companies were nationalized.
Especially, when contemporary Russian identity is so entrenched, at the time, in being anti-capitalist, and later this morphed into being anti-west. Even today, Putin's rhetoric is based on Russian identity being "Anti".
The truth is power is ugly because for superpowers (plural) to become more powerful, power must be taken from other countries. However, we as a civilization, haven't learned a different coexistence than within power structures. As far as I can tell, the #1 motivation for other countries to complain about those most powerful, is nothing more than desire for more power themselves.
It's not like Iran is not an EXTREMELY powerful country today. In fact, it is more powerful than most. Depending on the metrics, it ranks between 14th and 34th place out of 195 countries. As for the Middle East / West Asia, Saudi Arabia and the UAE rank in the top 10 most powerful countries in the world.
Well over a decade ago, we entered another cold war. Perhaps the US comes out on top, perhaps China will. Still, even if the US loses its position as the 1st superpower, another superpower will emerge to fill the vacuum and alignments will be roughly the same.
That's why the ultimate Justice will come from Allah.
Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy.
The 'Arsenal of Democracy' produces 40 percent of the world's weapons. It is a very profitable business model in which other countries buy these weapons to fight each other. The key is maximizing profits without shedding US blood by inducing conflicts between and within countries outside the USA. One client is eager to spend AUD 368 billion to buy a few high-quality used nuclear-powered submarines. This business model's critical components are NATO, QUAD, ANZUS, Five Eyes, AUKUS, and MCC (Mutual Cross-Service Agreement).
Since WWII, the United States has started 201 wars, overthrew 36 foreign leaders, killed or attempted to kill 50, dropped bombs in 30 countries, and interfered in 86 foreign elections. To make the world safe for democracy, the US has caused the deaths of tens of millions of people in its conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. The CIA was involved in covert operations that resulted in mass killings of communists in over 22 countries, 500,000 to 2,000,000 Indonesian civilians disappeared in 1965-1966.
Excellent. 👍
Amazing and a bold vedio, Thanks LSE
Happy to see London school of economics isn't afraid to speak the truth.
It’s crazy to think that all of this stuff was conspiracy theories when I was a teenager and he 10 years later it’s just American foreign policy.
Only in your mind. In reality the middle east is by itself a crazy barbaric place.
Well documented video
War? Peace? Whatever, we must forgive whomever for whatever reason. Per Matthew 6:14-15 and Colossians 3:13
U.S. Intervened in Chile yet today Chile is South Americas most prosperous, free and stable Democratic societies.
In fact Freedom House gives Chile a score of 94 out 100 for political rights and civil liberties, a HIGHER score than U.S.A with a score of 83 out of 100.
Same story in South Korea, a Military Dictatorship until 1987 now matches the U.S. in Civil liberties and political rights.
The answer to question “why is Middle East at war” is better found in the cultural shortcomings of the Muslim world.
Sk was able to develop because it has military importance to the United states
@@CarterSimon777 IRAN had enormous strategic Military Importance to the U.S. . Iran had over 1000 miles of border with the Soviet Union and was what was standing between U.S.S.R and the oil rich Persian Gulf region.
Wrong analysis. Some countries simply don't matter. A country like UAE is so small to even matter. However countries like Iran can be a regional hegemon. It's full of oil, gas, and natural resources. Young educated population and so on. A global super power won't treat these countries the same. UAE or Chile can never be a threat and never make progress beyond a certain bar. However countries like China with its population or as vast as Russia can cause serious problems for US. You have to analyse geopolitical through their lens.
@@dubu4016 No one mentioned UAE!
We are talking about the events of 1953 in Iran and their wrong characterization as a C.I.A coup.
South Korea’s Economic prowess is a direct challenge to U.S. corporations market share.
On the other hand Iran, a nation which sits on top of world’s largest combined oil & gas reserves, has to import refined petroleum products for domestic consumption.
Under the corruption and mismanagement of the Islamic Republic, Iran can only be a regional nuisance but never a challenge to the super power status.
Propaganda for the US Empire has made another victim.
Great video
The things we do to maintain an empire!!
The US is no different than other nations that once held the prestigious and coveted position of “top dog” in international affairs. That kind of power requires a firm and often violent hand to maintain its supremacy. I wonder if global affairs is doomed to be conducted through these means.
All empires portray themselves as righteous and benign. The US empire is certain no exception.
FACT#3 Mossadegh illegally and in a blatant violation of Iranian constitution dissolved the Majlis (parliament) . According to the 1906 Iranian Constitution and many precedents, in times when the Parliament is not in session, the Shah has the sole authority to dismiss and appoint the prime minister and consultation with Majlis is not required.
Shah issued a lawful and constitutional order to dismiss Mossadegh.
Mossadegh’s rejection of Shahs lawful constitutional dismissal order was in fact the real coup.
As the military was under command of Mossadegh and he ordered the Royal Guard to be disarmed and dissolved.
I agree with you on this point. But I also agree with Fawaz Gerges on the US' involvement to bring Mossadegh out of power. I think both are not mutually exclusive.
Fawaz Gerges' perspective is clear form the beginning when he calls MI 6, M16.
A lapsus mente? Perhaps. But it's certainly suggestive.
I agree that binary propositions of alignment are problematic. But I find it curious how Russia, the other side of that binary proposition, isn't mentioned at all in this video.
Especially, when we're setting off from a premise in the 1950s AND petroleum companies were nationalized.
Especially, when contemporary Russian identity is so entrenched in being anti-capitalist, at the time, and later this morphed into being anti-west. Even today, Putin's rhetoric is based on Russian identity being "Anti".
The truth is power is ugly because for superpowers to be more powerful, power must be taken from other countries. However, we as a civilization, haven't learned a different coexistence than within power structure. As far as I can tell, the #1 motivation for other countries to complain about those most powerful, is nothing more than desire for more power themselves.
It's not like Iran is not an EXTREMELY powerful country today. In fact, it is more powerful than most. Depending on the metrics, it ranks between 14th and 34th place out of 195 countries. As for the Middle East / West Asia, Saudi Arabia and the UAE rank in the top 10 most powerful countries in the world.
Well over a decade ago, we entered another cold war. Perhaps the US comes out on top, perhaps China will. Still, even if the US loses its position as the 1st superpower, another superpower will emerge to fill the vacuum.
@@Anil18834 Involvement is different than a “ COUP” which this was NOT.
In fact U.S. saw Mossadegh’s nationalism as a bulwark against communism and a favorable view of him.
When Mossadegh visited the U.S. in 1951 he needed medical attention and he was hospitalized in the Presidential suite at Walter Reed Hospital in D.C.
The British government had recognized as of October of 1952 the principle of Iranian oil nationalization.
And 5 different proposal were given to Mossadegh, even his own advisors told him to accept the 5th proposal which was in the Interest of Iran and met every criteria of the nationalization law.
Mossadegh began his premiership with a large coalition but it was his power grab that turned many in his coalition against him.
Even members of National Front had turned against him.
U.S. declassified confidential documents in 2017 that clearly show the CIA,nor the headquarters nor the station in Tehran, had any clue about the events of August 19th 1953.
This was not a “coup” by any stretch of imagination. It was a constitutional lawful action by the Shah.
Fawaz Georges is either ignorant or lying to further his agenda.
It isn't "Em sixteen" it is "Em eye six". During the Great War, British Military Intelligence was divided into numbered departments (MI1 to MI19). The names MI5 and MI6 stuck around after the war and were used for the Security Service and Secret Intelligence Service.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence_(United_Kingdom)#Sections
No America the middle East will be peaceful
FACT#2 - The law to Nationalize the Iranian Oil Industry passed by a vote of Majlis (parliament) when Hossein Ala was the prime minister of Iran.
Bold and incisive
Because it is the richest spot on earth and the hub of INTERNATIONAL TRADE.
West Asia is at war today, because the so-called champion of democracy and the United Kingdom illegally removed in 1953 the Iranian democratically elected leader that so many people compared to Gandhi? Now it makes perfect sense why the United States (US) and its allies are unconditionally supporting the artificial colonial settler regime of Israel in its genocide against the indigenous people of Palestine. Now it makes perfect sense why 38 million Americans live in poverty and 60% live from paycheck to paycheck, as 9 of the 10 richest men in the world are US citizens. Now it makes perfect sense why the US wanted to kill Julian Assange for providing the world with evidence that proves that the US is unquestionably the world’s biggest threat to peace. And, now it also makes perfect sense why the US has consistently refused to comply with 42 United Nations’ resolutions demanding that it immediately return Puerto Rico’s sovereignty to the Puerto Ricans. “Make America Great Again” means the Doomsday Clock striking midnight!
This is great powers politics. If you are a hegemon like the United states you want to be in this position forever. It's in your interest to grow economically while others stagnate. That's why you create conflicts in the Middle East. So these countries would buy your military weapons and spend billions of dollars on wars therefore they remain weak forever while you profit from these wars and make progress rapidly. The whole democracy argument is collapsing. Many countries who have made significant progress weren't or aren't domocracies at all.
Rigth....
Because of Qatar 🇶🇦 Saudi Uae 🇦🇪 and turkey 🇹🇷
FACT#1: Mossadegh was NOT ELECTED prime minister.
And Mossadegh’s party, the National Front, did NOT have a majority in majlis ( a consultative assembly) to become the prime minister.
Under 1906 Iranian constitution the Shah was the head of the executive branch of government, and appointed Prime Minister in consultation with the Majlis.
In 1951 Mossadegh was appointed by the Shah with a vote of Confidence by the Majlis.
After Mossadegh’s resignation in 1952 he was appointed by the Shah.
There NEVER was any ELECTIONS involved in Mossadegh’s appointment to premiership.
Watch the trolls!!!
@@luisbustamante9869 and just like that, without offering any foundation as to why tou disagree. You attempt to invalidate a solid argument, without any thoughtful counter argument.
He was never elected in an election but that’s only presenting a portion of the story.
The Shah confirmed his PM appointment precisely because he was immensely popular with the masses and to curb the right-wing Fedayeen, especially after their assasinations of government officials.
Mosadegh had resigned before many times before precisely because the Majlis (Parliament) was a sitting duck.
@@moonashraf9769 Mossadegh released Khalil Tahmasebi, the Fadayeen Islam terrorist who assassinated Prime Minister Razm Ara, from prison and the day after his release met this terrorist in private for 45 minute.
What kind of a liberal Democrat was he?
Nothing that Mossadegh ever dId was constitutional, in fact he was an anti-constitutionalist during Mohammad Ali Shah Qajar who attacked the parliament with artillery and shut it down.
Mohammad Ali Shah made an anti constitutional majlis of his personal appointees mostly from Qajar family, Mossadegh was one his appointees. He conveniently became a constitutionalist when Pahlavi dynasty took power.
Iranians will never make any progress when they believe a contemporary history that is all Myths and FICTION.
@@DUCATIPUNK He was not perfect but he did pass several socialist bills including the Land Reform and employment benefits.
He’s lauded because he tried to increase the power of the Majlis, which is a step towards true parliamentary democracy. But the burden on us, is to prove what we would have done that was better, with a crown and foreign powers that sought to curb that.
And the “narrative” has been confirmed by the U.S.’ release of documents in 2013 that state they did pay protestors and Operation Ajax was a reality, not some far-fletched Cold-War propaganda.
We are at war because the westerns are friends 😂
oil and gas
whos the most beneficiary is in problem now us
👺No no nahhhh🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
As Hitler found out,if more than one lesser powers all gang up on another power you can lose.
Most if not all that is attributed to mosadegh in the very beginning of this short video ( with big claims ) are at least not applicable ( if not intended falsifying). Me as an Iranian hearing you miles away in London Describing mosadegh as liberal democrat who believes in rule of law/human rights/checks and balances... And I'm shocked: WTF. Of course the king who came back to power after overthrowing mosadegh was a despotic monarch according to modern western human science but the One who stood up against him wasn't a liberal who believes in virtues like democracy, rule of law and so on and so forth.
LSE please get you fact correct and do not distort history and perpetuate lies.
CIA? 🤔🤔🤔
CIA contradicting CIA?
Another victim of US propaganda.
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