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- "The film "Once Saved, Always Saved?" is a thought-provoking documentary that examines the controversial doctrine of eternal security in Christianity. Through interviews with scholars, theologians, and religious leaders, the film delves into the historical origins and biblical arguments for and against the belief that once a person is saved, their salvation cannot be lost."
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The only devils in this solar system are the human race and he resides on planet earth.
Your presuppositions are not Scriptural…Although we are already Justified we are not yet Glorified.
Yes, we are freely Justified…however Justification is not Salvation, Salvation is at Glorification, and Paul says we are not yet Glorified…and he gives the condition, “If we suffer with Him, we will be Glorified”…was Paul Boasting???
Rom 8:17
and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Justification is entering through the gate, after which there is a difficult way, and at the end Glorification.
Matt 7:14…The difficult way that leads to life.
Listen to Paul…
2 Cor 4:10
always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body.
Don’t listen to me, but please listen to Paul, or do you say Paul was also trying to be self-righteous???
@@dimantha12 Listen to Paul?
Little did Paul know that his ramblings would be called
"The Word of God"
over 300 years later during the councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397)
Too funny.
I don't hear anyone rightly dividing the word between Paul's revelation of the Gospel given to him for the Body of Christ and the Gospel given to the House of Israel before Israel fell.
That's a BIG problem in correctly understanding Paul's doctrine of eternal security.
Eternal life, by definition, is not eternal life if one can lose it.
People who turn away were never saved in the first place. Paul states they have believed in vain.
"By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain."
I Corinthians 15:2
Believing in vain means putting on the appearance of believing to fool others while seeking some carnal rewards. Many pastors and church leaders believe in vain and are not saved. Their positions of power over others and notoriety is their primary purpose.
Those who think salvation can be lost do not understand the Gospel Paul preached.
"In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were SEALED in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory."
Ephesians 1:13-14
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
"....if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him out from among the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made, resulting in salvation." Romans 10:9-10
"If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames."
1 Corinthians 3:12-15
"escaping through the flames" is a metaphor for escaping the punishment of eternal death in the lake of fire.
"Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures,..."
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:4-6
It gives us great comfort to know that when we fail to follow the law of Christ due to our human weakness and frailty while sincerely desiring to live by faith in Christ Jesus, we are forgiven.
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Verses often used to refute Paul come from the apostles to the House of Israel that took NO PART in Paul's ministry, nor could they add anything to Paul's message because they never received it like Paul did. Galatians 2:6-9
*Hebrews 10:26* is often quoted by people who do not believe in the doctrine of eternal security. However, this verse does not say a believer can lose their salvation. It is a warning to Jews who are still in the old covenant which means they reject Jesus sacrifice for sins.
Hebrews is written to a Jewish congregation, not to the Body of Christ.
The author of Hebrews is giving a warning to Jews in the congregation who were turning back to living under the OT law because they had not fully trusted in Jesus sacrificial death for their sins. (Hebrews 10:22)
The author tells unsaved Jews (and proselytes to the law of Moses) not to reject the truth found in Christ's sacrifice for sins.
The warning is not for those who are already saved, but for those who are not saved yet. He warns the unsaved from turning back to the old sacrificial law because it offers no sacrifice for sins. Jesus' sacrifice is the only sacrifice that remains for sins (Hebrews 10:4-23).
James was still under the old sacrificial law as Acts 21 clearly demonstrates. James even pressured Paul into taking a vow that would have had him participating in a temple sacrifice if God had not intervened. It would have ruined Paul's ministry if his converts found out he took part in it. Fortunately he did not take part.
"Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer an offering for sin." Hebrews 10:18 When someone is forgiven under the NT Covenant, there's no need for offerings and forgiveness under the Old Testament sacrificial system. Jesus sacrifice for sins put an end to the OT offering for sins.
Hebrews 10:26 (in context) is a warning to those who choose to remain under the old covenant laws by rejecting Jesus' sacrifice for sins. They have no faith in Jesus sacrifice, and that means they are not saved. That's why the writer says they go on sinning. They have rejected Christ Jesus' sacrifice for sins.
A person, whether Jew or Gentile, is eternally saved once they have put their faith in Christ Jesus' sacrifice for sins. Once the believer receives the spirit of God, the Law of Love is written in their heart and they cannot be taken from Christ Jesus' hands.
Hebrews 10:26 is a warning to everyone who is in the process of becoming a believer, but haven't made the final decision that carries them from death under the law to life by faith in Christ Jesus sacrifice for sins (the death, burial, and resurrection).
"Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him (Jesus), because he always lives to intercede for them." Hebrews 7:25
Conclusion: Hebrews does not refute Paul's doctrine of eternal security. Where the writer agrees with Paul's doctrine, it applies to the Body of Christ. Disagreement with Paul's doctrine results from trying to apply those verses that were meant for unbelieving Jews to the Body of Christ.
@@johnspartan98 Paul, a religious Jew wrote half the New Testament.
And you call his religious ramblings "The Word of God Almighty"
Too funny.
Salvation is in Christ alone!! Amazing how so many people don’t get that.
It's very upsetting to me. 🙏🏻
And it also looks like people just want to push people away from the Lord saying that you have to do more this and that then maybe you'll be saved sad not true.
They even twist in Christ alone to add works
@@NikoFinn Yup agreed. And some or lots doing it for personal gain or control fear and so on.
What don’t they understand about “NEVER” ?
1 word. Pride
When I am faithless, He is FAITHFUL!
… for He cannot deny Himself! (2 Timothy 2:12-14)
Amen!!
@@Ahuntrgw2013 yes, Thank you Holy Spirit.
God knows he isn't a liar.
Yeah but if you deny him, he will deny you
Men just can't accept that they don't save themselves but inject that they're somehow a CO-Savior of " temporal life" . Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the Life and nobody comes to The Father except through Him.
Yes, only one saviour, Jesus Christ and no other.
1 Corinthians 6 9-10 Is that man saving himself, or forfeiting eternal life? You people think not sinning is saving yourself, or works. How is not being a adulterer saving yourself? You see how ridiculous that is? In verse 11 it says "So WERE some of you." Past tense. Verses 9-10 are if you are currently, verse 11 clearly is past.
@@Halcyon1861I agree... _Free Grace_ adherents believe turning away from sin means to save yourself (which is ridiculous) and in turn give themselves to sin.
your argument is from man centered straw man wisdom repent of the false osas doctrine
@Halcyon1861 Read the entire chapter. Paul is comdemning the church for allowing unbelievers to have a say on church matters, and he goes on list an example of certain nonbelievers. This is not saying that a christian that sins will lose their salvation
Amen! Even when the prodigal son abandoned his Father, he never stopped being his son.
Jesus was only talking to Israel, not to gentile dogs.
AAAAAAAA MMMM EEEE NNNN. .
What are you trying to say? Jesus was only talking to Israel when the Samaritan woman came to Him, yet, her daughter was healed while being a gentile. She did not convert to Judaism. Are you saying this applies somehow today. That there is Greek and Jew, slave and free in Christ. Obviously I'm being quite direct, but is there a distinction in Christ, or no?
@@joev2223 daughter was healed yes but not before Jesus called gentiles dogs:
“But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.”
Matthew 15:26 KJV
Jesus was only sent for the lost sheep of israel:
“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 15:24 KJV
Why would we want to “walk away” from the Father’s hand? Once I’m in the Father’s hand, I’m saved, secured.
We (true believers) wouldn't, but some do (apostates). Then, believing (remembering) this teaching, come knocking when left behind...
Exactly. Only those who were playing the saved role, like Judas, can walk away with ease. Those of us with the Spirit of God don't have it in us to merely walk away since we are sealed with his seal and He's keeping us in Him.
@apexone5502 Hebrews 10:26-29 talks about someone with the knowledge of the truth, sanctified by the blood, rejecting it, and insulting the Spirit of grace...
The context is right there. Does nobody understand apostasy? Does nobody understand free will?
@@jasonforney1558 that’s aimed at people like Judas who tasted the goodness of the Lord but ended up not getting saved. That passage isn’t aimed at the saved.
That's an argument from emotion not scripture is clear we can walk away whether through fear of persecution or continues sin that leads to attraction to sin and ultimately going into unbelief which seperates you from God
Someone once commented that my soul would burn in Hell for telling ppl "once saved, always saved". Didn't hurt my feelings. GOD sealed me with His Holy Spirit when I believed (Ephesians 1). I can't remove that seal. It's forever.
Amen!
Yeah you should feel bad for the people mocking us because they have hardened their heart to word of Christ and that brings them closer and closer to reprobate status. It’s an amazing feeling being saved. I’m middle class and I get to feel bad for billionaires like bill gates because i know he’s going to hell and I’m not. When you have the Holy Spirit it really is the armor of god.
The man in this channel is not saved, nor are you. You make a God of your own imagination and worship it if you think He will prostitute himself for men who care not to follow him. Disgusting blasphemy. You and this channel know nothing of Jesus Christ. Repent quickly
Amen 👍
Hallelujah 🙌
This is how I know our preaching of the true gospel of faith alone is getting to them!!! Let's keep going!!! Let's keep preaching the truth!!!
Judas accept the gift of salvation and threw away. Judas Escariot is now in hell.
Really!? 😂
Do you even realize that you are building a strawman? You believe the lie that these men believe a works based salvation don’t you? I hope you are wearing your tin foil hat.
The majority of the Church does NOT hold to this gnostic doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved. Instead, we believe the truth of God’s word which condemns sin all throughout. We believe that Salvation is ONLY by grace through faith. We believe that salvation is only through Jesus Christ and not by works.
So… better tighten up your tin foil hat and go back to your heresy drawing board.
They TOTALLY neglect the role of the Holy Spirit within every saved person, as if He is not doing anything and we can easliy chase Him away.
Right. I’ve been saved for around 40 years. I have wandered off in many sins and the Holy Spirit ALWAYS brings me back to Jesus. He is The Helper! And we are sealed with Him.
Romans says " Things to come" will not separate us from the love of God. * Any losing or leaving salvation once someone is saved , would be things to come . There is eternal security .
”And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,“
John 14:16
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be fogiven, as said by Jesus, also read jude, "Christian's" who use once saved always saved as a license for immorality, all throughout the New Testament "you will know them by there fruits"
Ephesians 1:13-14,
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance UNTIL THE REDEMPTION of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 4:30,
And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed UNTO THE DAY of redemption.
The Gospel is read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Ephesians 2:8-9 explains how we are saved and how we are not saved.
I’m pretty sure that if a sheep wanders away, the Good Shepherd goes and searches for that sheep and brings that sheep back into His fold.
Ikr? They present like God doesn't continue to pursue us, call us, protect us, correct us, or care about us, after we first believe...like God is holding back from us until we prove ourselves...sigh.
yeah Christ is the one shepherd that will leave the 99 to keep the one he doesn't say hell eventually let the one go just forget about it no matter how many times u try to leave his flock he won't let it happen he keeps you in it
Did it for me. Your his forever and he will never forsake you.
free will says anyone can lose their salvation
Why does the shepherd seek the wandering sheep? They are one of his sheep, they belong to him. Those outside his fold are not his sheep, only those of his own fold and he will seek each one of his own that wanders. Jesus made us is sheep the moment we trusted him as our Saviour. He not only saves us but keeps us, not one is lost of his fold.
They cannot divide the word and it shows. They cause so much doubt and confusion. I pray their eyes will be opened to the truth. Great video.
The only one causing doubt and confusion is the man in this channel. It is his only objective actually, as he has never been and likely never will be. He, and you, make a prostitute out of the God of all creation. Repent.
“They can not devide the word and it shows”. *literally the whole reason most of the world is in confusion*. I agree 100%
you've literally divided the word wrongly and came through the wrong conclusion listening to Satan's lies
@@GThePreacher a man named John hears the Gospel, believes it and puts his faith in Jesus Christ. Unfortunately for John he dies 1 minute after believing in Christ. Was he saved?
And if so, how do you know?
My answer is he was saved because he had faith. He did no work tho u say? Well actually he has successful done the only work nesacary for salvation (Faith in Jesus Christ!)
”Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.“
John 6:29 KJV
If U still think the Word of God is from Satan then I'm sorry friend, you are the one deceived. Read full chapter of John 6, The Lord Jesus literally states (himself) that we are save by our faith in him. If Jesus stated it once, it IS true, but he said 3 times in one chapter. It is the ONLY way we r saved. May God bless
@@carlcasey4177 arguing from analogy and misrepresentation won't help you it obvious your following you Greek philopshy and thoughts rather then Gods word,works can never save you if a man dies and put a with in jesus he can be saved thief on the cross proves this,but as the scripture warns "sin desires to have you but you must rule of it" and if you continue in a habitual pattern of sin you will fall in love with it and go into unbelief,if you no longer believe it means you no longer have faith and if you no longer have faith your no longer in christ, Hebrews warns "be careful brethren their not be in any one of you and evil unbelieving heart that departs from the living God" unbelief seperates you from God because belief(faith) connects you to his grace if their is not more faith according the scriptures your out. THis has nothing to do with works a good tree will produce Good fruit if your lacking in fruit you must strengthen your faith and faith comes be hearing of the word prayer fasting,if your faith is weak strengthen it because week faith leads to sin and sin leads to unbelief and that leads to sptirual death. The first lie told by satan was osas in the garden tellings eve" you shall surely not die if you're eat this fruit" her eating showed she lacked faith and went to unbelief in Gods word and rather listening to the snakes twisting and she died spiritually wake up scriptures clear.No need to fear falling away if you just hold fast to the faith and stay faithful which means believe.
Nah, this is straight up gaslighting people into a method of salvation that requires the sinner to co-justify themselves to God by discipleship. John 10:28 is so clear. Good stuff, Ono.
@@tbuitendyk Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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Err, this is all you have to do to be saved. This is it, that is all. You become a child of God or a Christian at this point, and even if you did nothing else and died a second later you go to Heaven. However, I feel this isn't what you are arguing.
You are saying the Disciples of Christ and being called Christians are one in the same. So let's break it down shall we because I'm interested as well.
Webster's definition of a disciple is "a pupil or follower of any teacher or school."[i] A true disciple is not just a student or a learner, but a follower: one who applies what he has learned.
now, here is where it gets confusing. We are not disciples before belief in Christ, because well yeah we already know why, then the moment we are saved we become Children of God. At this stage we are sealed forevermore, but according to the literal definition of Discipleship we could possibly be disciples of Christ before hand because we simply must apply what we have learned, it doesn't state all of what we have learned or to what degree to be a disciple, therefore according to these conditions we can not be saved and still be a follower of Christ in a " Yeah He has some good lessons. I'll follow that, but eh I don't need to believe in Him. I'll follow His teachings but not all of them.".
based upon these conditions one can literally follow God and be screwed.
so..... To what degree a Disciple is a Disciple of God seems to vary from degree to degree throughout Scripture as well, but to be honest? It literally states in order for Christ to know you you have to be saved first. However since God is doing the saving and we are simply believing, yeah we are applying what we learned but its a bit of a stretch to call someone a disciple of that Doctor just because I'm applying what The Doctor is telling me to do in order to get saved, its more akin to a Father getting us out of the well type of bit. Thus meaning, God is saving us by His Righteousness alone we are simply believers and babies at this point in our first stage, but we are Christians and saved. Now, by literal definition of Disciple you can be saved and be a Disciple and not be saved and still be a Disciple my ultimate evidence for this is none other than Judas The Betrayer himself. he followed Christ but did not place his faith in Christ.
yeah you'll say "Nu Uh" but well.......
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a personal follower of Jesus during his life, especially one of the twelve Apostles.
so.... yeah.... Aside from The Bible telling you he was a Disciple but stopped being one at some point, but Jesus makes it clear Judas never put his faith in Christ. Therefore my statement stands you can be saved and be a Disciple as your Disciple ship doesn't save you or help you maintain your salvation and you can not saved and still be a follower of Christ like Judas and the ones in Matthew 7.
we can't do anything to earn salvation or maintain Salvation. Christ does that part and frees us so our jobs now is to become proper Disciples of Christ. I can see your point I really can, but to be a Disciple who can call themselves Christian you must first believe in Christ as the Bible teaches us only then can you properly call yourself a Christian Disciple. (Because any one can be a Disciple of anything doesn't mean that have placed full Faith in that teaching or teacher.)
@SheepofChrist818this is before the cross. After the cross god send the holy spirit and at that point people can be sealed. Before the cross a believer could Fall from god.
If our Father pursues us so intensely before we are saved and we are his enemy, why would he reject us after we become his child just because we mess up? If you have a disobedient child, they are still your child even if you don't like some things that they have done. Do you stop loving your child?
Amen!
This places it nicely into perspective ❤
If my child is acting up and living in ways that displease me… that will never stop them from being MY CHILD.
There are parents that still love their adult children after they commit atrocities. They condemn the horrific actions and agree to punishment but never stop loving their children.
They grieve the condition their children are in… how much more does God feel? And yet, He is STILL FAITHFUL even when we don’t deserve it!
If my child is acting up and living in ways that displease me… that will never stop them from being MY CHILD.
There are parents that still love their adult children after they commit atrocities. They condemn the horrific actions and agree to punishment but never stop loving their children.
They grieve the condition their children are in… how much more does God feel? And yet, He is STILL FAITHFUL even when we don’t deserve it!
THEY SHALL NEVER PARISH
Yes. That teaching is in John 3:16 too!
Yes, those that have faith in Jesus will never perish. That faith is CURRENT faith.....not a past faith or a I believed once in middle school and now I don't faith (which is not faith it is unbelief) Hebrews 11:6 directly addresses this.
@@bairfreedomwhat does never mean?
@@Ethan-jd3qtIn the FULL context of what you are quoting, Jesus literally says in John 10: 26 " But you do NOT believe because you are NOT MY SHEEP" ......right there, plain as day, black and white. You must be a current believer to be saved. He continues....."My sheep hear my voice; I know them and they know me" So if his sheep know him, they are the opposite of those who do NOT know him. The unbelievers do not know him, so they cannot be the ones that know him. Cont......."I give them eternal life and they will never perish" So what do we conclude from this very simple scripture in full context. Those who do not believe in Jesus Christ are not his, Those that DO believe ARE his and the believing group that gain eternal life, and the unbelieving group does not.
@@bairfreedom bro, what does never mean?
You can't jump out of a closed fist. We've been grafted into Christ body spiritually forever, a union that can never be broken.
Amen
Sorry, that's not what Jesus says. There will be many who think they are saved and will be told "I never knew you, depart from you workers of lawlessness."
What the Bible says is nothing can take us from his hand... that DOES NOT mean we can not leave it on our own by our own will via our own choice. God and Jesus will respect the decisions we make.
And also, it's not a closed hand. You can choose to jump out I believe.
@@jasonforney1558 If Jesus was already prepared before the foundation of the world, and Jesus was manifested to save us from sin, [1Peter1:19,20] how was God expecting Adam and Eve not to sin?
@@jonathanesayiasberhe3222 If Jesus was already prepared before the foundation of the world, and Jesus was manifested to save us from sin, [1Peter1:19,20] how was God expecting Adam and Eve not to sin?
Who can set the boundries of Gods grace, but God alone.
He did and you better be abiding in him alone if you want to inherit his kingdom. Follow the doctrines of this channel and you will die in your sin, which is precisely what the man in this channel wants.
@@gotdialogRead Romans chapter 4 before you spew out nonsense.
@@gotdialog The time where there's someone says they shall die in their sins is Jesus. He said because they believe not that Jesus Christ is him
@@plexx365 As long as you do not use the name of Jesus, you're fine, he would rather you be hot or cold. OSAS = lukewarm hypocrisy. Read pretty much any chapter of the Bible before you worship false alters set up by the likes of this channel
@@StHaykin And what, pray tell, EXACTLY does "believe" mean. Like a father who loves his son but abandons him: that is still "love" right? Ridiculous. All faith, belief, love REQUIRES works in order to be the genuine article.
Dr. Andy Woods from Sugar Land Bible church in Texas convinced me that I was saved forever. God is good.
I wish I didn't live so far from him or I would attend there.
well they lied to you and I'm glad you admitted it was men not God repent of this false doctrine watch the documnetary
1 John 5:13, let God himself tell you
Exactly, it took a MAN to convince you, because you WILL NOT find support of this gnostic doctrine in scripture. In order to do so, man has to completely rip verses out of context, eisegete, and build strawman arguments.
The more i walk with Christ, the more i see how truly cunning the devil is with his religious spirit minions
He is here, in this very channel, commenting and attempting to dissuade the brethren from resting in Christ. He wants all to be insecure, guessing if it takes 45,234 good works to get to Heaven or maybe 34,567 good works or maybe a ratio of 1.1767 good works to bad.
The Enemy makes salvation a final exam, where you know neither the rules of the exam, nor the grading standard, so that you are always in fear and condemnation.
I know, the more I walk with Christ, the more I see how truly cunning the devil is with his antinomian spirit minions
Ah yes, if someone disagrees with your interpretation of scripture they are minions of the devil. Is that how I should view and talk about people who falsely believe in a pre-millenial rapture?
I really do believe that the most spiritual warfare that you'd wade as a Christian is WITHIN the church, Matthew 7:15
Spoken like a true sinner, that bases their beliefs in doctrines of man, while twisting some scripture and ignoring the rest.
We can't earn or maintain salvation. Grace of God is a gift, though we be undeserving, He is merciful & loves His imagers
Blessings Shalom fam 🫀
Truth, and many people believe once saved always saved, if they love Christ and turn to Him alone for salvation they are saved, but the dangers of OSAS is the unsaved thinking all they have to do is believe in Jesus yet continue in sin and you can't see a transformation happen they are not saved. A homosexual or transgender person or one who continues in fornication or sexual immorality with no conviction for that sin or believes they don't have to repent or ask for forgiveness? That's the dangers of OSAS
This doesn't even make sense from a worldly perspective of sons and fathers. Sons can betray fathers so that the fathers have to kick them out of the house. To argue that a father just has to house his son no matter what is to make a prostitute out of a worldly father. But the man in this channel does that with the God of creation. Disgusting blasphemy. Repent quickly and come into God's grace.
@@cornbreaddiabetic4615
Not every believer has the same maturity. What may be very easy to you , may be very difficult for another. Free will believers always bring the glory of their salvation back to their own efforts as if believing in God is a choice, it is a conviction that does not fade away.
It's like someone who believes in Zeus will laugh at Jesus and that Zeus believer just doesn't get why a saviour had to die. It's foolishness to them. From that foolishness unto believing takes God in the Holy Spirit, not human brain "choices."
@jeonesevenv9 Jesus said many will say to me on that day Lord Lord. You know the verse, they all believed in God, casting out demons and performing miracles in His name, Jesus said to depart from Him He never knew them. It's not about spiritual maturity. When someone truly believes and is truly born again they begin to see and turn from sin. That's the Holy Spirit that brings us under conviction when we sin. The Bible says no homosexual will enter the kingdom. That's the dangers of OSAS is saying you can continue to live like the world and be saved. Once one is truly born again no they no longer live like that and if we do sin we ask for forgiveness and try to do better. Looking with lust, that's a sin, if I look at a woman with lust I know it's wrong.
@@cornbreaddiabetic4615
That's right. And that takes time. "I must decrease He must increase."
Not every person will stop sinning at will. Not the same for everyone. You just want everyone to do as YOU please.. it is not like that. There's such a parable as the prodigal son. It is not a "robotic" transformation it is spiritual. It should be obvious. But it isn't for some reason.
How can intelligent men be so wrong.
Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30. Great video Brother. Keep doing what the Lord's Work Amen.
2 Timothy 3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
“But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;”
I Corinthians 1:27
Man's wisdom will perish
Please read Ephesians from the beginning…Paul is addressing the FAITHFUL
Eph 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and FAITHFUL in Christ Jesus:
Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 as well as everything mentioned in Ephesians, apply only to the FAITHFUL
I'm going to Heaven, nothing/no one can stop me
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
And what does 1 Corinthians 6 say?
And what does Hebrews 10 teach?
@@zechariah1398 The death it is talking about is the physical death. The flesh dies. Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What did Jesus say? Did he say that if you believe on Him, you have everlasting life or eternal life? What does everlasting or eternal mean to you? That you can then undo or give up everlasting life? Eternal means temporary to you until you die and then maybe if you did good enough you find out if you actually have eternal life? Why are you trusting in your flesh and yourself to be saved and stay saved? It is not about you. It is about Christ 100%.
John 3
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 11
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
1 John 5
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Same brother see you there🙏🏽💖
@@zechariah1398James 1 is talking about physical death in that verse…
What does Acts 15 say about the teachings of James?
What did the council decide to do?
(Hint: it wasn’t to validate James’ teaching)
Then read Ephesians 3.
It’s written around 16 years after James (around when Acts 15 was also written - which is important… you’ll see why.
Ephesians 3:2-6 shows why James was off (not his fault tbh)…
@@zechariah1398why you mad he said he was going to Heaven? The people that get upset that salvation is a GIFT OF GOD make no sense. Lol yeah if you molest kid with no fear of God you will go to hell. WHAT CHRISTIANS DO YOU KNOW WHO TRULY LOVE JESUS AND ARE DOING IMMORAL AND PERVISE ACTS WITH NO REMORSE!?!?!?!?! Satan loves to make people doubt the FREE GIFT FROM GOD AND HIS SON because he doesn't want you to believe you've been cleaned and righteous in the eyes of the Lord. The devil is destined for fire but we were not and were given Salvation through the Blood on the cross.
“No one can force you out of his hand but you can jump out” 😂😂😂 that was actually funny how he said that
There should have been the Benny Hill soundtrack playing to the tune of their anti-osas shenanigans
Funny because you have already jumped out and are loving life as a fake Christian?
You have to laugh at how they add to Scripture something that's not even there. "But you can certainly jump out of my grip!" -said Jesus according to this guy
Its what I was taught and it lead to me loving a life fraught with fear.
@@a1kev You clearly have never read the Bible with any care. The conditional nature of salvation is literally everywhere in the Bible.
With their lips they do honor Me, but their hearts are far from Me.
You are talking about _Free Grace_ ? Because in the context of the passage you just quoted, it is their sins and actions that kept their heart away from God even while they claimed they believed God. Actions are a consequence of our faith, whether good or bad.
@johndavolta3124 Yes I am free grace, since that's the Gospel written within the texts of Scripture.
I am quoting this passage because these wolves in sheep's clothing are perverting the word of God to say that someone must have works to be saved. God says the exact opposite.
Judas accept the gift of salvation and threw away. Judas Escariot is now in hell.
@@user-vh7lo7lr5w Judas was never saved because he never believed.
@@johndavolta3124 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved”.
Anyone who thinks you can lose your salvation is not saved.
That would still contradict _Free Grace_ theology. What if a person believed and rested in Christ alone and then fell in the "sin" of believing you can lose your salvation? Is that person not saved then? That is what you said...
@johndavolta3124 no, that's what you said. If a person thinks they can lose their salvation, they are hinging their salvation upon themselves and their own righteousness RATHER THAN Christ.
You've built up this hypothetical which may not even exist, but the Bible puts people into two categories:
Those who believe
And
Those who HAVE NOT BELIEVED.
This tells us that the hypothetical you created does not exist outside of your imagination. If you don't believe on Christ, you never really believed at all.
"Once saved always saved" is an excuse to live in sin for a lot of people.
@@cjames9320 ohh buddy, that is not a hypothetical situation at all. So you are saying there are no christians that believed in Jesus' work alone and then through bad influences and poor teaching fell into doctrines of Arminianism or Catholicism? So they are no longer saved then?
Let me give you another example:
Onorato Diamante has recently made some videos refuting Young Don Reborn. Young Don adhered to _Free Grace_ theology for a while but has recently stated publicly he no longer believes in _Free Grace_ theology, and has gone to teaching salvation by works and even worst things. So, per Free Grace rules, Young Don should still be saved since he believed in Christ alone (as he should have) at one point in his life, but then fell into heresy by getting persuaded by false teachers and RUclips influencers. So is he no longer saved?
@johndavolta3124 no. Per the Bible, he never believed in the first place. Young Don is a grifter, like Judas.
The Bible says he never believed, because there are those who believe (present) and those who HAVE NOT believed (past tense.)
No such thing as continual believing. Once you trust in Christ as Savior you are sealed for the day of redemption. You dont need to do 20 alter calls cause the first alter call is the one that saved your soul. Works salvation is heresy.
I would think that to Believe is to continue living a life that is pleasing to God. Once you believe, you automatically show your love for your savior by keeping his commandments. [Thats not my opinion] John 14: 15 " If ye love me, keep my commandments."
What are missing here?
@@hermansmikle6685 Your salvation isn't dependent on how unrighteous and righteous you are. Also you used that verse out of context. You can keep all of God's commandments and still not believe. And the one command the Father asks of you is to believe on His Son. Also if you have violated one section of the law you have violated entire thing. You are a fallen creature and you sin even when you think you dont. So if you think your self righteousness helps maintain salvation then you have missed the mark. Only God can do good works through you but those works do not maintain salvation. If you believe salvation is maintained by your works then you don't know Jesus Christ.
@@maximusvonce1381 You should've explain why the verse was taken out of context. Giving a ton load of opinion without scripture doesn't help.
@@hermansmikle6685 This is not unto salvation. We express our love to God through obedience. Our love for God grows the more we spend time in His word and get to know Him. If this is to do with salvation then does that mean I am not saved till I fully love Him by perfectly obeying Him? Do you not sin daily and thereby not keep them. Do I only have to keep 80% of them to actually keep His commandments? Because if I break a single commandment I am guilty of breaking them all according to James.
Immediately after that statement “If you love me, keep my commands". Jesus says "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever". Be with you forever, because you are sealed with the Holy Spirit till the day of redemption. Now we can disobey God, grieve the Holy Spirit and fall out of favor with God. But does that make us unsaved? Does that make us lose the Holy Spirit? No, forever means forever.
We should ask what is Jesus' greatest commandment for BELIEVERS which we find in Matt 22:36-40. To love God and your neighbor as yourself. Jesus says that to love one another sums up the law and the prophets in Matt 7:12. So love God, and love people. This isn't something that instantly happens, but over time as you grow in God. But by your interpretation you are only saved if you keep them all which is impossible. Does that mean the Corinthians who were carnal Christians were not saved? No, Paul assured us they were saved because they BELIEVED. Yet they still committed many sins, before Paul had to correct them.
Check this famous verse that work based salvationist like to use, not knowing that they are referring to themselves.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness’.
They are trying to appeal to God by their WORKS. But Jesus says, only those who do the will of My Father will enter heaven. And what is the Fathers will?
Jesus said, “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day” John 6:40
Stop tryna save yourself, salvation is for those who trust in Christ for their salvation fully. Grow in love for God and you will find it easier to obey Him and to love others. Now that you are saved, God expects you to live a holy and righteous life as best you can. Those who continue in their sin will be chastened and find trouble in life, but they are still saved. They will just fall out of favor with God till they turn from their sins. Many of the challenges and trials we face in life is a direct result because of our sin. So do your best to live righteously to avoid these troubles, serve God to reap rewards in heaven. Salvation is not what's on the line here as God has already promised it for those who believe and trust in Jesus. What's on the line is rewards in heaven and having a good fulfilled life for your time on earth.
Some Christians would like to understand the views of other people.
Describing others as having produced ‘the devil’s favourite documentary’ does not suggest that someone is approaching the subject matter in good faith.
Why would they entertain lies?
Their antidotes for plucking themselves out of God's hand is like stand-up comedy
We are all filthy sinners to them. They are great and holy and spotless. They revel in their self-righteousness and fleshly works.
It won't be like stand-up comedy when God spits you out of his mouth. The man in this channel worships idols of his own making, and labels them with the name of Jesus Christ. DIsgusting blasphemy. Repent quickly.
@GiftofGod289 Faith without works is dead, though.
Faith without works is dead, just because you have a dead faith doesn't mean you lose salvation @@jasonforney1558
@jasonforney1558 Phone's become dead. Has the phone become unprofitable to the user and others or has the phone suddenly popped out of existence?
It seems that people who preach against the good news WANT to see people separated from God in hell. I just don’t understand it, as a Christian I’m already convicted over the smallest of things like calling someone a name on the road when they cut me off. The burden of my flesh is already heavy and Jesus is my only way to make it through. Why do they wanna make it even more difficult than it already is? So tired of all these doctrine clashing. The world is against us, and now the church is against itself.
I don’t understand this I must say…why would anyone want to separate you from God at least any honest preacher or teacher of the word… quite the opposite my friend. All people are trying to do is make sure you don’t fall to false doctrine…. ask yourself, believing once saved, always saved and continuing to live a life falling to sin thinking I will face no consequences. My faith is sealed I cannot be deceived or manipulated only to find one day that living in sin leads to death… the whole point is to make sure you are battle ready everyday, that you have your full armor of God on daily to defend against the arrows and attacks of a spiritual enemy, who is constantly out there, trying to deceive you and manipulate you and tempt you to walk away from your faith. Paul states hold firm to your faith. If once saved always saved is true then why do I need to hold firm to my faith. why do I need to put on the full armor of God daily? Idk food for thought I guess…??
@@JustYourAverageJ03 thanks for your input, brother. All i can really say in response is my experience. I tried to be introspective and focus on good works. What happened is that i began throwing stones at my whole family and stirred up so much hurt and confusion. I realized along the way that none of us can or will ever be completely free of sin. We are sinful creatures and we will continue to do so until the end. Should we repent? Yes. Should we be lead by the spirit? Yes. Should there be fruit showing change? Yes. My issue is, I’m working on my sin with God at a pace that has nothing to do with anybody else in this world. I’m walking my walk with Jesus and i realized that every believer has there own convictions and are at there own level in sanctification. Realizing this made it a lot easier to be empathetic toward other sinners and love them the way Jesus would. If a Christian is genuinely trying, who is anyone else to say they aren’t saved yet? I believe it’s about the heart. If you struggle with sin that’s a good sign. It’s when you sin without the struggle that one should be concerned. Believing that I’m already saved helps me give myself more grace when i slip up. It doesn’t make me want to go rave and lead a crazy, sinful life. But often times we know where we struggle….and telling a believer they can jump out of Gods hand because they’re still struggling with sin is like taking the hope that only Jesus provided and making that same hope some attainable attribute through ‘not sinning.’ I believe documentaries like this one have good intentions, but i don’t think they realize the harm they’re actually doing, just like the situation with my family and I. We have to come to Jesus as a learner and not a “knower.” It leaves room for genuine growth, not perceived growth.
Hey brother glad we can have a great conversation truly!! Reading your response I agree with you in that I do believe our works mean nothing towards our salvation there is absolutely nothing we can do that can earn it. I agree with you that our relationship with Christ is our relationship and the pace at which we grow in him is dependent on him no one has the right to judge you. I do not believe I have any right in saying whether someone is saved or not and honestly once saved always saved believers are usually the ones who try and say well you struggle with sin so you must not have been saved in the first place. where what I’m trying to say is that you are saved and even though you are saved will still struggling with sin thus we must stay strong and prepared to fight the enemy who is a deceiver and manipulator. I think we agree and are on the same page minus some verbiage is all…I do not believe in being legalistic to where you judge and condemn people for their struggles but rather love them and help them know that a walk with Christ does not mean we are free from sinning or being tempted but rather we fight that battle of temptation every day and we must be on our toes how do we do that?? By spending time with him in his word and in prayer so we can grow stronger in spirit to face the battles of the enemy…appreciate you brother!!
@@JustYourAverageJ03 amen brother! I can’t speak on your experience in regard to those kind of people you mentioned, but i do appreciate your words and willingness to talk about Jesus. Thank you! And have a really nice day man:)
that documentary did so much damage to a friend, thank you for refuting the heresies
You go sir! We are the narrow way! We are saved to serve, we dont serve to be saved. Man just cant accept the free gift! We get assurance which motivates our service for HIM out of of love for him. Not service based off a debt we could never ever repay.
Did not Jesus left the 99 to retrieve the one LOST sheep?❤
These heretics explicitly stated that: “you can snatch yourself out” or “eternal life is conditional on the sheep that don’t go astray”…. I wonder what GOD’S INFALLIBLE WORD has to say about that… JESUS SAID IT IN RED:
““What do you think? If a man has a hundred SHEEP, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that SHEEP than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is NOT THE WILL of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should PERISH.”
Matthew 18:12-14 NKJV
In other words, the sheep NEVER PERISH. Even if the go astray. Sealed!
They are in plain sight calling God a liar and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
"If he should find it" meaning they aren't always found. Hebrews 10:26-27.
@@jasonforney1558
Do you believe in eternal life?
Really? James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
And what about 1 Corinthians 6?
And what about Hebrews 10?
@@zechariah1398 In regard to the passage in James, remember that some of the Corinthians "fell asleep" because they were partaking wrongly of communion. But we shouldn't interpret that to mean that they went to hell, only that they were chastised with physical death. A father disciplines his children.
““I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.”
John 10:11-16
Wow! Its so disturbing to see the bondage people are in with works salvation. We are saved by grace eternally!!!
No one says works forces God to save you. I think you are mischaracterizing their position.
actually sin is bondage and the lie of Satan is that you are saved in your sin
@@chrisstevens1156how many times do you sin a day?
@@tbuitendyk”I have kept all from my youth up; what lack I yet?”
@@GiftofGod289 you ask the wrong question.
John 8:34-36
What's really sad is that no matter how many videos you do and rightly divide scripture, and adding dozens of verses, there are those who will choose their pride over truth. For those who will listen keep going, for those who believe and love Jesus hearing the promises again never gets old. God bless you.
I know right!
You show them the scriptures of promises.
Then they bring up hypothetical scenarios or worse bring out scriptures out of context of mixing scriptures targeting Jews or OT.
It’s a promise from Holy Father!
Whole premise of the Bible hangs on promise and faith of Gods Grace!
You notice what they did in the video? They made following Jesus a condition for everlasting life and not belief. Denying oneself, following Jesus, bearing your cross have to do with how you live your life and how you live your life is about works. So they combine faith with works and there, knowingly or unknowingly, deny grace. You cannot say you are saved by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone if you add even one work like turning from sins to the Gospel of grace.
Most of christendom combines faith and works and therefore are in legalism. Discipleship is not salvation. Jesus gives eternal life freely by His grace, not as a reward of us persevering in faith and good works. Glory goes to God alone for saving us. Why? He did all of the work. It is not a contract of He doing His works and we do our works. He did it all through His Son and we receive it by faith alone apart from works. And this is why He gets the glory, honor, praise and thanksgiving for saving us.
Ok, but let's say I believed in our Lord, but still occasionally do bad things like watch porn, get angry or be jelaous. Do You think I will be saved?
@@JM-hw2lw You don't understand the flesh / Spirit dichotomy. Why do you think that God's word exhorts believers (saved people) to walk in the Spirit and not carry out the deeds of the flesh (sins)?
@@JM-hw2lwI have worried about this many times in my life and am not proud to say, I have sinned, BAD sins many times, even after becomming a christian.
For me, I know by my own works, I am not deserving of heaven. I am guilty. If I truly lost my salvation in the times I have sinned after being saved, then I could not blame God for saying so. I cannot speak for others, nor do I attempt to tell you how to believe, but for me, losing my salvation is just is not consistent with the experience and relationship I have had with Jesus throughout my life. And if true, leaves me to ask so many questions like: Why if I am lost, did Jesus never give up on me and wash His hands of me in these times? Why was He so patient with me and has so clearly welcomed me back and turned to Him when I was broken by what I have done and dealing with the concequences of the awful choices I have made in my life? Why would He do that, when I have broken and smashed His commandments so many times in my life over and over?
Why was it I struggled so to follow Him and what He wants of me in my life in the times I felt I had to in order to keep my salvation? I clearly believed in Him, who He was and what He had done, had repented, and was baptised in the Church. Yet, why did I often find myself feeling resentful to do good works, to follow His way instead of my own? And the BIG one that changed my mind and opened my eyes is why do I still feel Him present and working in me today if I am lost?
The turning point in my relationship with Him was once I was convinced that I could not lose my salvation, that God's gift of eternal life was truly free, that He STILL LOVES ME even when I am pushing Him away, that I am made clean NOT by what I have done, but by what HE DID on the cross and by nothing else. That I simply had to believe in Him. How can it be that simple? What kind of love is this? He did this for me? I can't even type this today without tears rolling down my cheeks.
It was only then that I felt truly set free and I saw my relationship with Him begin to grow greatly. When I look back, I am not the man I was before. I sin much less now, but sadly, I cannot say I am completely "sin-free." I am still a work in progress, but I do see those sins for what they are much more now and as God lays them on my heart, I WANT to change my mind against them, to not do them again. I know God already forgave me for them, but I still tell Him, I am sorry. Both because I truly am sorry I did something that He does not approve of, because I genuinely want to please and am grateful for what He has done for me. And because for myself, I need to acknowledge what I have done. This helps me to set my mind against it. I no longer do this out of fear of losing my salvation, but because I cannot lose my salvation I do it eagerly. Because Jesus loves me unconditionally, because what He did for me! THAT is what kicks me to my knees, humbles me before Him and makes me to love Him so! I am not bound by my belief in Jesus, I am truly set free! It is through this freedom He gave me that I am made eager to love Him, turn to Him, seek Him out throughout my day more moment to moment, to trust Him and to follow Him more!
So I ask you, to ask yourself and to truly ask God, to seek His guidance on how can this be if this belief and faith in Jesus is so wrong, yet shows clear evidence of change and Him still so actively working in my life?
I pray you have an amazing day my friend, and that you and your loved ones are well and blessed, in Jesus' name Amen!
Amen! One cannot be un born again @@howard7997
They go on to say that Jesus did not pay for ALL sins of believers too!!!!
They say " God won't force them to stay, they can choose to not be His child anymore" smh...
Which one of you dads out there will ever consider your children to no longer be your children? If my son said "HEY! , I'm not your son anymore more and don't want to be", I would put my hands on his shoulders , look him in the eyes,and respond
" I love you, I will always love you, and you will always be my son, no matter how you feel or what you choose to do in life"....
How much more God?
Great example
Doesn't matter what you think or tell your son; he IS your son and a state of mind, emotion, or decision on his or your part does not change that......and never can.
Same logic with Jesus words, who are my brothers and sisters?
Yet if he chooses not to come home or to take part of any of your family gatherings or outings and wants nothing to do with you can you forcefully make him?? Sure he is always welcome home doesn’t mean he will choose to come home…this belief of once saved always saved to me is a cop out to continue to live a life of sin and not fear the consequences of it, yet what you will probably say is that if you live in sin or continue to fall to sin then you were never saved to begin with correct? So as a Christian/child of God I will never face temptation ever again?? Never have the enemy trying to deceive and manipulate me?? If I’m saved I will never face those things again? And if I will what’s the point if I can’t fall to them?? In other words why does the devil continue to come after you?? We can not be snatched from our fathers hand however we can willingly walk away…I will say be ready always live for God fully pick up your cross and follow him whole heartedly and we will meet each other in heaven one day!! Much love to you all!!
@@JustYourAverageJ03honestly I don’t bother telling people what you said because no matter what you say it changes nothing.. if I tell them the amount of Christians that has turned away from God that now kill like it’s nothing steal like it’s nothing and blaspheme God like it’s nothing they would probably not believe me . I guess who knows one day God will open their eyes that yes God will not push us away but we can push God away we are not robots we have free will we can choose evil we can choose good it’s obviously by the grace of God that we can choose good but that doesn’t mean we can’t choose evil . They just don’t want to believe that no matter what relationship you have whether it be having a friend or family it requires effort. Most people call it works buts not works there is a difference between putting effort in your relationship with God and other people and works .. works is believing that all good things you do is by your power and that by it you will be saved and effort is believing that all good things you do is by the grace of God and without God You can’t do good things and you thank and appreciate God for it and by it you will be saved .. there is probably not point in saying this cause most people will ignore but by their fruits you shall know them there are many pastors that say good stuff but their actions and the places they go to say a different story. Some talk about the Holy Spirit and say people like me are talking as if the Holy Spirit doesn’t exist. The Holy Spirit works in us but like I said before we still have free will . Let me give you a practical example from my life in the next comment
When unsaved people tell us salvation can be lost 🤔🤨
Best comment!
You guys are on dangerous ground taking away from what Lord Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross at Calvary. He died and was resurrected ONCE. When He said it is finished than it is finished. Jesus Christ plus nothing. He is the way the truth the life.
Amen and Amen. Thank you all that you do. Hope you have a blessed year to come, and your video counters this wicked documentary.
Thanks for these videos. I had a realization while struggling with this concept. If salvation relies on Christ AND works, then God is sitting up there watching erasing our name from the book of life whenever we sin then rewriting it when we confess our sins and apologize. So if we tell a lie or even have a bad thought then get hit by a bus "too bad so sad" we didn't make it. That doesn't make ANY sense to me.
Good job covering this brother. This documentary is extremely wicked.
Please explain how using scripture to condemn sin in the flesh is wicked. This documentary glorified the work of Jesus Christ upon the cross, the power of the Holy Spirit, and Christ condemning sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3).
This documentary encourages Christians to walk in obedience to Jesus Christ, to be a doer of the word and not a hearer only (Js 1:22), to hear the sayings of Jesus and do them (Mt 7:24). How is that extremely wicked!?
You better look inward at what you are defending, that no matter how you live, eternal life is already yours.
The Gospels are essentially Old Testament until the death, burial and resurrection. And yes, Hebrews 9:16-17 “For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” Question, once you are born, can you be unborn? And when can your father no longer be your father?
Exactly...when we are physically born, we can not be unborn in any way.
We can not cease to be our mother's child , but we can sure act up at times and give her grief, or be loving back to her.
@@sunnydaze1185 Yes, our kinship and our relationship are two different things.
If you are truly saved, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit.
sealed doesnt imply you can't be unsealed through unbelief
@@GThePreacher”Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God.” You are sealed with the Holy Spirit when you are Born again. Friend when you are Born again you cannot be unborn. This is what Jesus is telling us❤. Don’t doubt your salvation because you didn’t do anything to earn it. The Grace of God has given you Salvation through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@GThePreacheralso keep several things in mind. If you have been born again you will never un-believe again. When I say un-believe I mean be a person like many we see that walk away from their faith in Christ meaning they deny Jesus. Yes you’ll see born again believers fall into deep sin and they’ll hate themselves because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, they may even walk away from Jesus because they can’t handle the situation they are in, but they won’t deny their faith in Jesus.For it says “And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus return” so in other words you may fall into sin and walk away but Jesus will bring you back in line in due course. But those that emphatically deny Jesus and claimed to be Christian’s were actually never Born Again. The Prodigal Son may walk away from his Father but His Father will always be His Father, he can’t deny that His father is his father because it’s a Fact. Jesus will finish the good work He started in us. Now deception is what He warns us about the most and unfortunately even those that claim to be Christians that aren’t born again add to this deception and start to sow doubt to those that are born again but yet struggle with sin. Conflating the two is the issue here but I hope this clarifies doubts or misunderstanding of what scripture teaches.
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The Bible tells us that believers WILL NOT come into condemnation.
@@willp.8120 yes if they continue to hold fast their faith
People that hold to the idea that you can lose your salvation. They never take into consideration the fact that there are people that make false professions there are people that claim to be Christians, and actually apostatize, and if you have both of these cases together, they were never saved in the first place. Our salvation is solely based upon the person, and work of Jesus.
30 years ago a man in my church showed me how this worked. He took a small can of black paint and a small can of white paint. He mixed them together right in front of my face and asked me to separate the paint back into the original containers. Then asked me to read the scripture again.
Once Saved Always Saved is the ONLY belief that puts salvation ENTIRELY on Christ.
Yep, in the context of length of salvation. It is the only correct view. Most of the so called church, I'm afraid are filled with tares.
So well said! One simply cannot be unborn once they’ve been born again.
And… if someone doesn’t believe this doctrine they are not saved?
@@TheRoadLessTraveledBelieve on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
@@robertsandberg2246 that does not answer my question. You are speaking to the choir.
The “Loss of Salvation Theology” (LOST) is rapidly infiltrating churches. Some of us spend more time trying to lead them away from LOST than we do sharing the gospel with unbelievers.
It is also important because when they go out to share their version of the gospel they are barring heaven because they are telling people that it's Jesus plus their good works which isn't the Gospel. It is another gospel which isn't another.
I know, I grew up in the Armenian way. Micheal Brown was a man upheld as a great man of God.
Once I was actually saved I understood the perniciousness of the LOST doctrine.
The adversary doesn't want people saved and what better way than to come using the "gospel" to confuse and prevent them from actually receiving salvation.
Churches, especially the pentecostal churches, are full of people that believe they are saved but are laboring under a false doctrine.
Pray for them in earnest.
@@foechicken8023 You didn't watch the documentary if you think they are saying faith+works
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It is in far more than just Pentecostal churches. It is in most sects and denominations of so called Christianity. Literally, it seems like less than five percent of churches are teaching the true gospel. Works based theology is in the overwhelming majority of churches.
They are unbelievers tho. But yes, I agree that it is more profitable to share the good news with people who haven’t already made up their mind.
@@foechicken8023 Exactly, and well said. From what I've seen, a lot of people get out of Calvinism, and think eternal life/salvation (ie. OSAS) is a Calvinist invention, and then jump into LOST (which is actually 1 point Calvinism when we analyze it).
We call it Satan's trap, because they get out of one cult and end up in another one.
Dr Brown, what a heretic. It’s interesting that people that have worked so hard as an apologist, evangelist, scholar etc can devote their life to the Lord but still be told I never knew you. What a frightening and jarring thought! Get the gospel right before you do a thing for Jesus.
It really is disturbing. Theses are people we should be able to trust. I'm becoming increasingly aware of how far we all have fallen. Come Lord Jesus, come!!
Amen brother. Dr Brown has already been exposed by Jacksmack.
Keep standing for the Truth. Keep your eyes on the Truth, Jesus Christ!
Yes, eyes on Jesus, not on the false docrines of channels like this one who make a prostitute our of the God of all creation. If you believe this unsaved, unregenerate man rather than the words of the Bible, repent quickly.
Mr. Brown: "As I understand scripture"
Me: Exactly, now try believing scripture. 🤣
They are moralist and they twist God's word by keeping people in fear and doubt. I call them stone casters who think they are without sin. Thank you for sharing and God Bless.
Or maybe they are preaching obedience to God and repentance from sin, a calling to righteousness and Holy living. Maybe they are warning others that the Broad road leads to destruction and Narrow is the way that few find. Maybe they actually teach what Jesus taught.
@@evank3217 Do you presume that those who believe OSAS do not repent from sin or endeavor to live righteous and holy lives?....that those who believe and have placed their faith in Christ are not being transformed by Him?
@@evank3217 Start naming the hundreds or thousands of sins we should be repenting from ?. The book of James says if you break one law/sin then you've broken them all. Narrow is the way is those who believes in Jesus for everlasting life for irrevocable salvation and can never be lost. John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9. Kind regards.
Wide/broad road is those who doesn't believe in Jesus for everlasting life. @@evank3217
I can’t believe these theologians missed the 2nd person in these verses! It also means, ‘they shall not cause themselves to perish.’ Therefore neither God nor the sheep cause a separation. Good response here! Just wish other Free Grace teachers would make videos like this as well. Desperately needed!
This guy is another Free Grace heretic?! That explains a lot.
When you have believed you are following. The parallel between John 5:24 and John 10:27-28 makes it clear.
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mouse of scripture like Satan does causes your confusion watch the documentary
@@GThePreacher Scripture is very clear. It is God's word, and He has made the way to salvation sure. The documentary causes people to look to their own righteousness and not look to Jesus.
Look to the scriptures, not the documentary. I did watch it, I do not recommend it. We are to obey Jesus and serve Him, but the Bible does not ever state those things are necessary for salvation.
John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)
John 11:25-26 - "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:25-26)
John 6:47 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes in me has everlasting life." (John 6:47)
Acts 16:31 - "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your household." (Acts 16:31)
1 John 3:23 - "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23)
John 8:24 - "I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins." (John 8:24)
John 6:29 - "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." (John 6:29)
1 Corinthians 1:21 - "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
1 John 5:1 - "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loves him that begot loves him also that is begotten of him."
John 3:15 - "That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 3:36 - "He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him."
Romans 10:9 - "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved."
Romans 10:10 - "For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Mark 16:16 - "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned."
Acts 10:43 - "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whoever believes in him shall receive remission of sins."
1 John 5:5 - "Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?"
Romans 4:5 - "But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Romans 1:16 - "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
John 14:12-14 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever you shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
1 John 5:10-13
John 5:24 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Romans 1:16
1 John 5:13 - "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Romans 11:23 - "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again."
So how much following is enough to be saved , and is there any name written in heaven of any christians who's alive today ?@@GThePreacher
@@Abonike faith is enough works can't save you,abuse Gods grace by PRACTICING SIN and is clear in scripture that it means your faith is growing weary and your starting to love sin,as you grow for your love of sin and continue you start to dislike God and you go into unbelief,if faith is what saves its clear unbelief will separate you from God read Hebrew 3:12-14
@@GThePreacher so nobody is saved yet right?
It always amazed me how these people will say yeah it’s not by works but then they say well you have to work at keeping salvation lol then you believe it is by works smh! They just don’t seem to see how they’re contradicting themselves.
Right, you either work out your salvation with fear and trembling or you are a worker of iniquity, either way you are working just which direction?
works of obedience vs works of righteousness are two different things.
Works salvation heretics want to take personal glory for their salvation.
And there isn't lasting contentment in their lives as they are in bondage.
I met a young pastor, he told me of his excitement when he first came to Christ Jesus. Then he told me he joined a church, he said they presented him with a long list of do’s and don’t’s. Within six months he was broken and said he gave up with the thought that “I can’t do it, I can’t be a good Christian”. So he fell away for a while, but eventually discovered the truth of grace. Yep, God never gave up on him.
What was the list of Do’s and Don’t? Did they align with scripture? Such as, Do not have a sexual relationship with anyone in the church outside of marriage? Do not steal from the offering plate?
God’s word is FULL of Do’s and Don’t. I thank the Lord for that!!!! It is written in black and white for us to be obedient to him.
What do you propose? That we scrap God’s do’s and don’t and determine everyone for ourselves what is right and wrong?
“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
1 John 2:3-6 KJV
I believe your “young Pastor” is more likely to be a “young hireling”.
The only “condition” is to believe in the Son of God, which is not even a “condition,” because faith in Christ is not a work.
Even the demons believe and they tremble. Foolish Pharisee
It's more than just believing, you also have to respond to the gospel. Paul warns us when he declares the gospel that we are saved if our belief is not in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Romans 10:9 reinforces this point
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
@@ubdainknice try, Satan. I see you trying to make believers doubt their salvation because of some arbitrary number of good works they must do. How many is it they must do? 34,568 good works to be saved? Maybe it’s a ratio: 1.264 good works to bad? Maybe they just need to have a “changed life” (whatever that means). No one knows according to your false gospel of works, which keeps people in bondage and fear.
The Good News is that we are not given a spirit of fear. We rest by the still waters with Christ. He paid it all. My works are filthy, disgusting rags to a holy, perfect God l. He does not want them nor need them.
Salvation is easy and simple to understand, even a four year gets it. God grades on a 100% or 0% standard. You either believe in his son alone, and you get an A+ on your test (no matter if you are the chief amongst sinners), or you don’t, and you get a 0. The moment you believe you are eternally and permanently and irrevocably saved, forever.
That’s the Good News.
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“…if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.”
First of all, “if” means “since.” Second, those who “believe in vain” are those who believe in a false version of the Gospel, such as yourself, as you are adding to the Gospel. He’s not saying “if you forget what I preached, you’re not saved,” he’s saying that if they believe in anything other than what he has preaches to them concerning the Gospel, then they are not in good standing with God aka saved. You are adding to the Gospel by saying “you also have to respond to the gospel,” which is nowhere in the Bible. The Bible says “believe on the Gospel” very clear, many, many times. To believe on the Gospel is to out your trust/confidence in the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ died, was buried and was resurrected after 3 days and 3 nights. That’s the Gospel. Nothing added, nothing taken away.
@@ubdainkWhat do you mean it’s more than “just believing?” That’s all any sinner can do. When someone believes in Jesus Christ and what he did for them, THEY HAVE RESPONDED.
It continues to amaze me that these false teachers want people to believe that their salvation is not secure. That somehow the power of God can't keep someone saved. They will read verses about Jesus himself saying that if you believe on Him that you have or hath everlasting/eternal life. And then believe that you can somehow lose eternal life and force the Holy Spirit to unseal you because you don't believe anymore. These false teachers' words and actions show us that they don't actually believe and trust in Christ alone to be saved. Their trust is in themselves to stay saved.
Can you biblically define eternal life for me? Also to explain how we can possess eternal life?
“and I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.„
Jeremiah 32:40-41 KJV
Yep the really true believers are those in blood- covenant with Messiah thru faith in that perfect finished faithful God man; it can bot be undone.
If a people can lose their salvation, everyone will lose them
2 Peter 2:20-22 deals with this issue, along with 1 Corinthians 10:1-14.
In verse 12 of 1 Corinthians 10, it wouldn't speak of a fall if it were impossible to apostasize from the faith. In fact, there would be no need for this verse to be written under the assumption of "once saved, always saved."
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So you believe that God is incompetent? There are those who hold to a form of religion’s godliness Paul tells Timothy, but DENY the power and from such turn away. Fakes can disengage but you don’t seem to get that.”, sadly. Trust Jesus not yourself.
@@JesusismyGOD where from my comment would you come to the conclusion that I believe God is incompetent? That conclusion makes no sense. In fact, what you said about denying the power thereof is something that speaks to the fact that through the power of the Holy Spirit, you can live a holy and godly life. Those that deny the power are those who say you just can't help but sin all the time.
Not sure if you were responding to me or not, but your comment didn't make much sense in contrast with mine so maybe you weren't responding to me.
That's a ridiculous argument for works based salvation!! 😮for we are SAVED by grace through FAITH,a gift of God not of WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
Zac poonen. The man in the blue shirt and eyeglasses. He is the senior pastor in a church in Bangalore, India. He has literally said to his congregation that he is living a perfect and holy life than themselves and they are doing certain sins. So that he'll go to heaven and the people in his congregation won't go. How sad
If this is true, he is a modern day Pharisee. 😢 Lord, please open his eyes!
@@sseunni if possible I'll send you the link. Do you use Facebook?
@@sseunni yep it's true.
Very good video, clear explanation, thanks. 😊👍🙏❤🌷
Keep up the good work brother. Glory to God.
Hallelujah, God is great! Praise Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior! Thank you Lord Jesus for amazing disciples like Onorato who help make your word very clear. Thank you Lord Jesus, you are so good to me!
If your "Jesus" sent you the man in this channel, then you are worshipping the devil and calling him Jesus, which is exactly what the Anti-Christ is laying the ground work for through channels like this. Repent quickly. God will have none of this nonesense.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they HAD BEEN of us, they WOULD HAVE continued with us.
It’s very clear. Someone that comes to a genuine saving faith in Christ, will not leave the faith.
But _Free Grace_ allows people to walk away completely and still be saved... So how do we reconcile that?
@@johndavolta3124 no, it doesn’t. That is a strawman.
@@loganwillett2835 elaborate why a ”strawman"?
@@johndavolta3124 because no advocate of free grace that I’ve met believes that a born again follower of Christ will say a prayer one time and then live however they want with no change. Genuine faith in Christ will always produce the work and fruit of the Spirit.
@@loganwillett2835 dude, your last sentence is what I actually believe, but no joking, some _Free Grace_ adherents say that fruit of the spirit is not guaranteed or necessary. Onorato Diamante literally believes that. I have had several arguments with him over that.
Why would there be anything BUT eternal security? To say it's not secure is a performance-based righteousness. It also makes the gospel out to be a lie.
For anyone, praying this all helps. If there’s any “ammo” here that’s either wanted or needed, go for it. As Scripture implies, “Freely you have received, freely give”.
One is either in Jesus (100% forgiven - “Sheep”) or in Adam (0% forgiven - “Goats”). There’s no such thing as a “Geep” - No one is ever “50% forgiven” (John 5:24, Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 10:14, 2 Peter 1:3-4, 1 John 2:12, etc.). Both testaments are blood economies but this new one is permanent. There will never again be another Calvary or Resurrection. No need. They were effective the first time.
Once WHAT??? Always WHAT????
Aren’t man-plans goofy at times? History’s literally LOADED with examples of how man-plans fail.
With works salvation they never say how much good works are needed and also they are fooling themselves if they believe they no longer sin.
We cant save ourselves only faith in Jesus Christ will save us.
It saddens me when I hear Christians thinking they can do works/obedience to "stay saved". You were either given a new spirit from above, or you weren't.
You can workout your salvation with fear and trembling or you can be a worker of iniquity there is no other option, you are working either way, just which direction?
@@brianbentley7156no you can work and keep ALL of the law for salvation or you can trust in Jesus alone….if you chose to work you will hear depart from me because you need to keep all of the law and NO ONE can just like they couldn’t when Jesus came
@@NYCNY92 nah you don’t know the gospel that is not the gospel! The gospel is repent of sin to accept the free gift now you are washed and sanctified, without sin and clean before God, you go back to sin you are not forgiven until repentance again and then cleansing m! You die in unrepentant sin you are guilty before the almighty and your sin is not atoned for, that is why you must walk as he walks in obedience!
@@brianbentley7156what if I’m living holy and perfect, and on my last day I saw this hot mommacita strutting in my nursing home and had an impure thought. Then, right as I was about to make my first confession and repent, I died from a brain aneurysm? I guess I’m going to hell. I didn’t repent in time. Certainly sounds like a perfect, all-loving, and holy God…
@@GiftofGod289 I don’t do what ifs, what if you just obeyed Christ and didn’t have lust and adultery in your heart ❤️. Jesus says it is adultery and 1Corinthians 6:9 says who won’t make it to Heaven!
Acts 16:31
Rom 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Once saved always saved is a doctrine of demons that has sent and is still sending MILLIONS to hell! Only the spiritually blind teach such Heresy!!!
Once born again, always born again.
@@JesusismyGOD spiritually blind!
I love brother Joe Shimmel but he is wrong on eternal security. His stance against the doctrines of Grace have led him and his son in law down a wrong path of incorrect teaching on both these truths in the word of God.
Then he be lost as an unsaved in unbelief and is not a brother. Mark and avoid.
This is the guy that his works help me to know what is everlasting life about a year ago and I make 56 years old in May.Thank u spiral brother
Good on ya mate! Keep your nose as hard as flint & NEVER budge from the simplicity of "grace through faith".
Are they serious?!😂😂😂
If someone stops “following” Christ then they were never saved period. They probably went to some mega church that told them they were saved lol. Probably with a female pastor too. Yeah if your legit saved it’s forever.
Wrong you can depart from the faith with an evil heart of unbelief! You have to be apart to depart and there is no mental gymnastics to understand that, you have free will Jesus doesn’t supersede your free will, you have to surrender it In obedience
@@brianbentley7156 Yeah I know you have free will. Where did I say you don’t have free will? Lol. You need to read the parable of the soils again. People who depart from the faith get “on fire for Jesus” but it sizzles. This describes the seeds that fall on the rock. Those people were Never officially saved. They were lukewarm from the beginning. Once saved always saved is the gospel. Right now my mother could get murdered and I wouldn’t even blame or question god for a second. I’d blame satan and the killer. That’s because I’m officially saved. The people who simply claim to be saved lose there faith the second they face tribulation.
@@STONELGBTQthe seed which fell on the rock was just as much saved those who was that bore fruit, in verses 5-8 Jesus draws a distinction between the seed that the birds ate and the other three, the seed sprang up on the rock and the thorns and on the good soil, life, eternal life taken place
I can say from experience that a person can truly believe, and then doubt doubts that grow strong enough that you walk away from the faith. I truly believed when I was young, then walked away for about 20 years, and finally found my way back to the Cross. Did God keep me saved in the interim? I hope so.
@@brianbentley7156 You can depart from the faith? The Bible is clear, if you are not in the faith, you never were. So how much sin must one do to depart from the faith? What is your definition?
The Bible says Jesus promised a true believer that they will never perish and already have eternal life. So if one goes from saved to unsaved, that makes Jesus out to be a liar since that promise is broken?
God said those that are saved went from death to life. Where is it taught we can go from Life to death?.
God teaches that as a true believer, we are a new creation. Where in the Bible does it say we can go from a new creation back to old creation?
It's almost as if these people WANNA go to hell smh 😂
they're too prideful of their works and it shows
They want you to doubt your salvation, but of course they, in their holiness, are saved and sealed. 😂
Those that want to go to hell, are the ones that believe that you are saved no matter what. The ones that believe you can sin and live however you please and Jesus will not cast you into hell. Stop playing games with God and repent.
@@TheRoadLessTraveled how many sins must I stop to be saved?
@@GiftofGod289 listen up hero, I wasn’t addressing you. Stop interrupting as if you are Christ’s sinful spokesman.
Thank you for this brother in Christ! So encouraging and spoke directly to my spirit. Thank you Father God for your promises and faithfulness to us.
Amen brother once saved always saved is the truth. No one can pluck me out of his hand. I am a man too so I can't even pluck myself out. Praise God! ✝️🩸🎁
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Context:
“if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:”
2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
How do Christians deny him?
“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”
Titus 1:16 KJV
These lose your salvation types, aren't they really saying that they play a role in keeping themselves saved?
Since that seems to be the case, and since many in these types of churches have always believed that, it definitely makes it appear as though they think they are co-savior, and as such arent fully believing on the Lord, Jesus Christ. I know that most, or all who believe like this wouldn't admit that they believe that, though when analyzed that seems to be exactly what they are doing?
As such, they are resting their salvation partially in their own works and not fully on Jesus. That is another gospel, so how can they vlaim they are saved?
@@tbuitendyk That is not what the Bible says.
It says that if it be about works it is not of grace, and that no man is justified by the law. Works for justification is a form of law keeping and no man is justified by law keeping.
We SHOULD do good works, BUT our salvation is not based on that.
Not at all.
We are simply stating that IF you are continuing in sin, that Jesus has not set you free from the bondage of sin (Jn 8:32), you are of the Devil (1 Jn 3:8-10), you do not know Jesus (1 Jn 2:3-6), you are not a new creature and old ways have not passed away (2 Cor 5:17) and you are not born again (John 3:3).
It is clear if you are living a life of disobedience, or advocating that you can live however you please once you have been saved, that you have never been born again.
The work of Christ upon the cross, and the power of the blood breaks sin in a believer’s life. The boast is not upon ourselves keeping ourselves from sin, but upon Jesus who has broke the bondage of sin in our life (Jn 8:32). Therefore, we are not servants of sin unto death, but rather servant of obedience unto righteousness. (Romans 6:16)
A true believer will bear the fruit of their salvation (obedience). If we do not bear fruit, he will take us away from the vine (himself).
“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.”
John 15:2 KJV
It’s truly sad how everyone acknowledged “no one” but yet made an exception for themselves. No one can separate you is quite clear that not even you can separate yourself
How come is God going to seal someone with the Holy Spirit if he foreknows that such a person will anyway end up in hell due to he seemingly lost his salvation?
Exactly
Agreed. Sounds like He’d be wasting His time and we know God never wastes time. He knows what He’s doing. If He seals us then He means that to be forever.
@@apexone5502 Furthermore, Abraham never lost his justification after having sexual intercourses with Hagar, but God always kept his promise, though the Abraham’s sin brought about consequences seen nowadays.
Oh wow I remember that guy that's speaking after Michael Brown at around :50 in! His name is Joe Schimmel. I saw him get absolutely _demolished_ in a series of debates on the Rapture: Pre-Trib, or Post-Trib. He was the guy representing the Post-Trib view.
Man, he got _destroyed_ in that debate! It's an excellent series of debates, and it's available on RUclips. Just search for "Rapture debate Joe Schimmel Doug Stauffer" or something. The Pre-Trib guy, Doug Stauffer, really trounced him badly.
Another GREAT video, Onorato! Keep up the great work, Brother!
I am personally pre-trib and I will check that out but I think Onorato is post-trib.
@@nicholasisaiah53john316If he is post trib, that would completely destroy his view on eternal salvation. Post trib means that believing Christians can take the mark, therefore making them lose their supposed eternal grace salvation.
@@djflax8806It isn't for me to defend his viewpoints. Like I said I am pre-trib.
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHH ... "JESSE MORRELL" made it .... say no more. That false teacher worksist. This tells me all I need to know.
You haven't refuted their arguments but simply stated your own opinion which turned out to be a very weak argument. What are the conditions for not being snatched out of the Father’s hand? Note these BOLD words which are in the Greek present indicative tense : ‘My sheep CONTINUE TO HEAR my voice, and I CONTINUE TO KNOW them, and they CONTINUE TO FOLLOW me. I CONTINUE TO GIVE them eternal life….’ It is very clear that John Calvin's idea "osas" is not biblical !!
@@tbuitendyk Really? In that case Augustine must have preached double predestination? Do you have any of his quote available with you?
This is wild! I had no idea Calvin was an OSAS truther. But lately I've noticed that a lot of OSAS folks sound a lot like calvinists in the way they talk about salvation and eternal life.
Dude what's crazy is I've prayed my entire life. Since I was a baby. I'm 35. They look at LIFESTYLE. THEY HAVE NO CLUE. IT'S SAD. GOD BLESS. SEE YOU IN THE 1000 YEAR.
The greatest hypocrisy is the
claiming that someone is not saved by his works and that salvation is only by faith, and claiming that salvation can be lost!!!
If we could loose it we would
Even most Calvinists believe in eternal security. This is mostly Catholics, Orthodox, and evangelicals who follow Arminianism.
Thank you, Ono.
A bunch of unsaved heretics.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Yes, the man in this channel is an unsaved heretic. That is accurate.
Believing in eternal security, or not believing in it, is not what saves you. Let's not forget what the gospel is.
@@sorenpx eternal security is the gospel
These works salvation heretics forget about the story in Corinthians where a believing man was sleeping with his step mother and Paul never said he was losing salvation. Read the story all works salvation heretics.
Are you seriously arguing that Paul never stated that he lost his salvation, as if Paul determines who enters heaven?
You fail to see the broader picture. You are very much like those in the church at Corinth who boasted that they received such a man as one of their own.
Paul did judge the matter, and he warned others as well.
“For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
1 Corinthians 5:3-5 KJV
Do you know what it means to hand one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh? Of course it does not mean destruction in hell, but that sickness, pain, and disease may come upon them (much the same as Job) that they may be humbled and repent! That their spirit MAY (scripture does not say their spirit will, but may) be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
You lack Holy Ghost discernment of scriptures my friend. My advice to you would be to turn off these false RUclips teachers, and get away from your church fellowship if they are teaching this OSAS heresy, and read through the Bible at least 4 or 5 times, praying for wisdom and discernment from the Holy Spirit. Then you will be able to easily raise the red flags when such a doctrine as OSAS comes along, and you clearly see that it flies in the face of the entire scriptures.
I always think.. how do you 'leave' something inside you? If the Holy Spirit is in a believers soul, then you can't 'leave' Him.
It seems like they put God 'out there' .. not actually indwelling a believer with His Spirit
Wonderful job brother. You bring much needed clarity especially for new believers or those considering the faith. I hope they are not intentionally pushing that nonsense but it appears as though they are .For some reason none of those guys want the simplicity in Christ. Most of them have agendas wether that be scaring people to come back to their church , confuse them so they are completely dependent on the pastor or preacher they claim to be.... Much love and blessings to you and your beautiful family ❤️
You need to repent and stop making excuses fo believers to live in sin?
Preach the whole context of scripture and not focus on one, the lord js not pleased with this thing you are doing is not helping the body of christ be more riggtous, it is only affirming sinners in thier sin.
Idk i dont see anything wrong with those teachers they are right and
you are wrong and the scripture warns against this kind of your "peace peace peace peace "
teachings
that totally neglect The chastisings of the lord that helps us Obey him.
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Jeremiah 23: 17-22
17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
20 The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
To believe in christ is to obey christ, Fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom.
So to say Someone having a fear of God makes him a false prophet, that means u don even know the presence of God spirit.
What is the HEAD sign OF the presence of Gods spirit in a Man? (FEAR OF THE LORD)
If the scriptures says the Anger of the lord will not stop even in the last days we will consider it more in the last days,
then who are we to think Gods wrath cannot befall any unbeliever at any day?
Fear of the lord is necessary there is no wisdom with the fear of the lord. Oj
How do you reconcile these verses with Ephes 2:8-9
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Ephesians 2: 8-9
We are " saved " through Grace Not of works.
Means when we were saved, We attained it by Grace of God's sacrifice on the cross, not by Works.
God's grace and salvation
Does not mean it will stop the Anger of the Lord coming upon the wicked. It will Only protect Us from It.
Apply scripture in context, both are different things.
If we walk out of God's Grace we will recieve exactly what the wicked will recieve of God's judgment.
Okay tell me. Are you saying as God gave a command for the isrealite to Put a lambs blood on thier Own house and shut the door.
If now an isrealite Leaves his house in the Same night that anger of the Lord is suposed to come, and goes and sleep in the house of an Egyptian.
Will God spare the Egyptians House because of the isrealite inside it?
Or will God spare the house of Isreal because of His promise to Spare all who Obeys his Commands to put the Lambs blood as thier covering.
So also the same thing will happen in the last days, yes salvation is not by Works, but if a believer leaves the Grace of christ and lives willfully in sin they will be standing where the Wrath of God will Fall on them.
Jesus christ gave a parable warning against this
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Matthew 22 kjv
22 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
If you notice the Ones in went off to thier merchandise in verse (5) are different from they they came to the wedding but were rejected for not having the right apparel.
The Kingdom of God, or approaching the judgment day without Repentance or Rightousness.... is like Going to the wedding without the right wedding apparel
Please please if u don't understand
Remember the scripture here in context.... The term Works , garment, or for the believer having the right apparel doesn't have to do with Religious works... no no no please don't take it out of context.
It has to do with us repenting from our wicked ways.
Because every man's own words will be his burden.
Jeremiah 23:36
“And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.”
Galatians 6:3-5
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden.
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I do not believe salvation is of works.
God urging us to be Diligent and be carefully Towards "NOT" Sinning so that we do not fall away has nothing to do with scripture teaching us about salvation through Jesus.
These teaching on right living come directly From christ own Parables for a reason, even christ teaches about not bearing (spiritual ) fruit being worthy of a "Falling Away".
In the parable of the Fig tree 🌳
As believers though we are saved
Gods judgment is certain we must not be careless.
You're butchering scripture context and taking every other teaching in scripture to be without context or relevance which is not what scripture teaches.
Not every teaching on right living is about only about salvation.
That Theology forces Spiritual laziness on the body of christ. And makes them not read Bible towards what The scripture teaches in other books.
God orders us to Divide scripture context properly and all scripture is valuable for teaching.
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2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 2:15 kjv
In-Context1 5 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Topics on right living, Topics on prophecies and topics on Salvation bear different weight and work different works in Humanity All lead to LOVE.
How can we believe in christ if we Trow away issiah's prophetic teaching? What prophecy proves christ to be God without it?
Why deny christ own Parables for Over Emphasis of one Verse regurgitated by self proclaimed prophets?.
Love is the ultimate not all these prophets and thier Theologies, Love in the hearts in the main Goal Of the Author of scripture.
When you butcher scripture, every Christian even your own brethren, because he doesn't belong to your denomination or believes in the same Theology as you..... somehow while a Christian he's now Damned,
That's the point of that verse, False prophets always preach peace, the certainty of salvation and peace and
forget all of God's warnings and all other teachings about trusting God
and trying to leave sin is thrown in the dust.
They are many proclaimed Christians still in sin, that's why the Bible says " you have not visited them" because these prophets don't care about the state of others .
Then you have no need for the cross or Jesus’ righteousness; you apparently have your own.
Sizzle sizzle
Thanks!
If you can lose your salvation, then your salvation isn't based on the work of Jesus, but based on the of work man.
Salvation is nothing that can be gained or lost. Eternal life is a person… Jesus Christ. You either abide in him and bear fruit, or bear no fruit and get cut off and cast into the fire (Jn 15)
“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.”
1 John 5:11 KJV
You know what's hilarious is I never walked away. I seek more with the storms.🎉