What Happened to the Old Portuguese Flag?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- The Portuguese Flag has been the official flag of Portugal since 1910, but its history is much older than the 20th century stretching back into the Middle Ages and the fight of its earliest counts and kings against the Moors during the Reconquista.
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As a Finnish person I am slightly triggered by hearing a blue cross on white being called boring
I slightly cringed at that point... but there is a point that all the 'Cross' flags are a bit dull from Finland to the UK (just look at Scotland's & England's).
However I've always like Iceland's for some reason.
as a Portuguese person, i believe that our flag is a bit too complex... maybe your flag is dull but at least any finnish children can draw it properly
Personally, I find tricolour flags a lot more dull than the crosses, but as a Nordic I may be biased
@@deiniolbythynnwr926 that's a pretty insultive comment, no need for that its all about personal aesthetics. On that point I believe our flag for Cymru and Bhutan are two of the really nice ones because if the dragons!
(There's many other interesting flag ofc.)
suomi and its small relative eesti are not boring flags, both have coat of arms too...
finland is anything but boring, all flags have history....none are boring or dull..., iam from the land of the red dragon, on a green boring field lol.... :P
I've always preferred the blue and white to the green and red. Blue and white are considered monarchist colours, but if you just get rid of the crown, then blue and white are just Portuguese colours, like the azulejos. The flag of the Azores is blue and white and looks great.
Along with the shield and armilary sphere, I would add the Cruz de Cristo somewhere. Very powerful Portuguese symbol.
Another great flag belongs to the city of Lisbon which doesn't get as much love as it should. The black and white design can be found in the mosaic sidewalks all over Lisbon. Great video! Cheers.
Me, a Portuguese speaker: "Stop pronouncing Portuguese words with a Spanish phonology"
It hurts my ears
Lol sorry chaps I did my best
@@historywithhilbert146 it's fine, we're used to it by now lol
@Why Justin nah, Spanish is Portuguese with a drunken Italian accent
Idk man, sounds pretty good to me
Very cool video! But in Portuguese we do not pronounce the "J" as Spanish do. We do the same way the French do.
so your name is J as in french,,,,J aw oo Pay-dro May-ee-rehlez.... portuguese has many accents that spanish and italian do not have :P
@@jardon8636 That's precisely why the Portuguese have a better pronounciation of English when compared to Spaniards and Italians.
@@Ogeroigres bem, exactly very true.... england and portugal the oldest alliiance in europe...
@@Ogeroigres That, and the fact that you sub your movies and tv shows, in Spain people really don't get any exposure to the English language
@@pablo8286 that's not true at all. Just like Spaniards we get portuguese translation sub or dub. The only difference is that Spanish sub or dub is made in European Spanish and most portuguese sub or dub are made in Brazilian portuguese.
a curiosity: the flag of the state of rio de janeiro has the same colors as the old flag of Portugal, Blue and White
So does the açoreano flag
a bandeira do Rio de Janeiro me lembra a bandeira da Galiza
@@cuidadocomomatheus No es tan raro, teniendo en cuenta, que Galicia y Portugal, aparte de ser vecinos, comparten mucha historia ;)
@@cuidadocomomatheus parece mais o da baviera
It's interesting, since Rio was the capital of the empire when Portugal was under French occupation
Honestly should've kept the old one. I just like that one more
So... Apparently I am subscribed to your comments since I see you everywhere
I think many portuguese as of today do prefer the old one because the colors were a little bit cleaner, but at the time of the republican revolution they needed to change it because the white and blue historically represented the colors of the monarchy
Yeah for the aesthetic reason I agree.
In terms of colour scheme, I agree blue/white is better than green/red.
But in everything else the Republican flag is better than the Monarchist:
- The 2/3 ratio of the Republican main colours is much more harmonious than the 1/1 or 1/2 ratios of the Monarchist flag (different ratios for land and for sea).
- The Iberian (rounded) shield is the traditional one; the pointed one used in the Monarchist flag was borrowed from the French and it look awful.
- The golden armillary sphere looks great and historically relevant.
Our colors have been blue and white since Portocales County, and those "Republicans" have changed ours flag colors, shame on.
I'm not Portuguese but I came to the comments to see how many people picked up the "J" issue 😆. Seriously though, Hilbert, you have the best, easiest to follow and understand, yet incredibly detailed videos of anyone on RUclips. Keep it up dude! 🙂
Actually, since 1640 the queen of Portugal is officially Our Lady of Conception (Virgin Mary), that is why the kings and queens never wore the crown, and there wasn't any coronation ceremony, only an acclamation (hail) ceremonies and in the images of the Virgin Mary, She wears the crown.
Whatever the reason those Dutchies probably have something to do with it
*Reads comment as I start video.*
*Cautiously lowers volume.*
We can only hope
Portuguese speaker here: You tried! XD It was really nice to hear about the history of Portugal's flag. There were a lot of details than I didn't know before. Thank you for that! It was very interesting.
I prefer the blue and white flag more than the current Portuguese flag.
Sebastian didn't die
He just disappeared
ele morreu...
@@Redruxing nooooooooooo
@@joaopreguica6095 lets be honest. Na época em que aconteceu, muito provavelmente os gajos viram um chavaleco com a mania que era forte e cortaram-lhe a cabeça xd
@@Redruxing He will return...
With the Old Ones.
@@MrColuber yes
We all like the shield, most like the sphere but NOBODY likes the red and green. White and blue represent us in so many ways, from being the original colors, to represent the sea and the predominant white in architecture, the famous tiles... Maybe one day we can change the flag again ;)
Yeah....I agree
Please do change it back to blue and white background. The red and green are ugly.
My favourite Portugal football kit is the blue and white that they used back in the 2000s. Also loved the all black with gold trim.
I like your icon.
The old flag looks 10000000x times better
The Republican coup murdered both the flag and the orthography
Yeah I prefer the old one too.
@@danielimmortuos666 *masons
No the new flag looks amazing
@@danielimmortuos666 wait what? How did the coup murder the orthography?
I thought the orthography changed in the 90’s to make Brazilian and European Portuguese more similar.
Hilbert, besides Évora and Beja, everything else that you said in portuguese had a really good pronunciation! Keep up the good work and congrats on your really interesting videos!
I like the blue and white over the red and green, seems more fitting for a nation with a large nautical history
The green and red colours were the colours of the secret society that committed the Regicide in Portuguese these society is called Carbonaria. The flag of Carbonaria had the green and red colours inverted but the Republicans chose such colours to symbolise that they were enemies of the monarchy.
I'm not in favour of the green and red flag because those are the colours of a society that it's pretty much like the free masons. Portugal's colours were from the very beginning blue and white. I'm Portuguese and I know that there are more Portuguese people that agree with me but unfortunately it's a minority.
I'm a fairly new subscriber and I haven't seen your other flag videos but as Portuguese who was taught all those myths in school (5 wounds of Christ, 30 pieces of silver, 7 castles conquered) and only recently did my own research about the history of the flag, I'm really, really impressed. You covered everything I expected you should and quite thoroughly and well reasoned, with all the uncertainties that there are about the early flags/coats of arms.
The only thing I might add is that still to this day, most Portuguese believe the green represents hope and red the blood of those who fought for Portugal, despite this being an invention of the Estado Novo authoritarian regime. The colors of the flag where never given an official symbolism during the First Republic although of course, there are connections to earlier flags but the real reason is that they were the colors of the Portuguese Republican Party as you said. And the current constitution mentions no symbolism, just that the Flag of Portugal is the one adopted after the Republican Revolution.
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There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell
Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
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6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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They're not myths, do you have another explanation for those? Have you seen the flag from D. Nuno Álvares Pereira? They were religious, they had a great religious meaning behind their battles and conquests, they weren't there to build a atheist country like leftist zoomers think nowadays.
7:13 About Henriy's (Henrique) connection to Burgundy, you mixed up the things a bit...
Count Henry was not count of Burgundy, but count of Portugal.
He was from Burgundy, but not from the County of Burgundy (which was a party of Holy Roman Empire), but rather from thee *Duchy* of Burgundy (which was a part of France).
But Henry was not the duke of Burgundy, he was the younger son of the duke, and later the brother of the successor dukes, so he never inherited the title. That's why he came to Iberia: to look for fortune and titles, as a "cruzader" against the Moors.
Well you're both kinda right, because the Duchy of Burgundy at the time of our first king, was indeed in that area, although originally it was from Switzerland/Austria(From Viena to Geneva), but 2 centuries later, it became a county with lands in the Netherlands as well, that kingdom went north of France with exchange of lands:
"The Burgundian duchy was absorbed in a larger territorial complex after 1363, when King John II ceded the duchy to his younger son Philip. With his marriage with Countess Margaret III of Flanders, he laid the foundation for a Burgundian State which expanded further north in the Low Countries collectively known as the Burgundian Netherlands. Upon further acquisitions of the County of Burgundy, Holland, and Luxemburg, the House of Valois-Burgundy came into possession of numerous French and imperial fiefs stretching from the western Alps to the North Sea, in some ways reminiscent of the Middle Frankish realm of Lotharingia.#
So in the 15 century that kingdom had lands in Switzerland, Austria, Northern France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg. But at the time of the first king of Portugal it was only Switzerland/Austria, and a bit of Northern France.
@@BogusLion Yep very complex I lived for 30 yrs in the Dutch area they called North Brabant considered 'Burgundian' which in NL still means a 'rich living ' Its actually in the south's even more puzzling
Blue and White would have been fitting for a country that were navigators of the sea.
Thanks for the care and insight! From a native portuguese.
Main reason for the republican flag having that design was the Portuguese Carbonari flag.
Thats the first time that i read about the Carbonari. It's so interesting, thank you :)
@João Carvalho what?
@@dostoievskyiii6251 It is very telling that most people in Portugal don't know the real source of the current and unsightly flag. 4.bp.blogspot.com/-T92is277xfA/Ume-WHyQhlI/AAAAAAAALZw/jaMlsMgDMO8/s1600/Convite+carbon%C3%A1ria+24+10+2013-+Idolos+de+Mar%C3%A7o_3.jpg
Similar case to when the soviet (communist) flag also replaced the original russian flag, but at least they didn´t pretend it was not a political symbol replacing a national flag.
Blue and White was way better!! The current flag has the carbonari flag colours and does not have any connection with the history of the country.
4:50 Algarve os actually the southern coast of mainland Portugal. It was in the west relatively to Toledo and the main center of Al-Andalus, that's why it's called that
I'm 100 percent sure that is correct because I've been to the Algarve to see my family.
The republican flag is uglier tbh than the royal one
Unlike the flag of the Spanish 2nd Republic! If only for the purple. The republic part helps, but purple alone makes me ship it!
@@daddyleon I'm republican and I prefer the current one. The intention is cool, but that purple doesn't go well with the gualda (yellow) and the red imo.
@RTXPWR Claro que sí crack, lo que tú digas. Una España libre es una España en la que hay variedad de opiniones y en la que un bando no intenta callar al otro a través del fusilamiento :)
@RTXPWR Por cierto, la falange en su origen era republicana.
i dont like the royal one's coat of arms' shape
Always appreciate a video on Portugal, was a fan of your videos before so this is a double bonus! Thanks for the vid Hilbert
Thank you for the hard research and the time and efforts you made doing this video. They more I see about Portuguese history the better . Blessings to all . Portuguese Pride
make one about Brazil as a follow-up please
Good idea!
There is a region in Portugal that kept the old Blue and White flag: Azores (Açores in portuguese). As an Autonomous Region, Azores has its own flag, based on the national flag but including its own sysmbols. Most beautiful flag in the world, in my opinion.
To clarify its not on the mainland. Its out there in the middle of the ocean. Its a beautiful flag. The Coat of Arms of the Azores is also really neat. Its much like the flag but with more going on.
Açores flag is epic with the royal colours and majestic golden eagle.
Truth.
The way you pronounced Beja triggered me real hard. Still, great to see such an in-depth video on the (mostly apocryphal) origins of our flag!
While I can't confirm this, I don't think the "West" in the Arabic name of the Algarve refers to the fact that it is in the "West of Portugal," as you stated in this video. This is because it isn't actually in the West of the country, but in the South. The reason it was called "the West," I believe, is that it was to the West of Al-Andalus, the term for Umayyad Iberia.
Totally correct ... the land in the west
I'm might get this wrong but that last part with the Portuguese Republican flag you might have exploring the symbolism a little to deeply; the real reason why the choose Green and Red was because the leaders of the Revolution were all freemasons and they chosed those colors to distance the monarchy.
Just wanted to let you know thank you.
Hail to the Emperor! Lol
Props to you on the portuguese pronunciation man👌
Thank you!
Hmmm
For what? He is reading every single word with Spanish pronouciation.
@ŁionHearte ah, sim. Éborá. Badarroz
@ŁionHearte ah, ok. Sim, makes sense xd
Don't worry about your Portuguese. It's widely known that our Portuguese brothers/friends/neighbours feel specially sensitive towards their language and any real or perceived Spanish accent. ;)
Abraços da Espanha. :)
as an Portuguese I confirm :D
this is because our language is very forgotten and is slowly dying because the kids from Portugal are watching Brazilian content creators and they are speaking the Brazilian Portuguese, something very irritating by the way
@@imsalvas Portuguese and Brazilian have already several differences in grammar, I'm in favour of separating them as two distinct languages. And I completely agree with you, it's irritating.
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@@imsalvas Are you brazilian?
The king didn't fled to Brazil, he moved.
This move was planned since the early XVI th century, not thinking about the French but rather thinking about the Spanish.
It was a marvel of planning and logistics. Every kingdom service and 11000 public servants, aristocrats and royals moved at the last minute when the French were entering Lisbon. With this smart move, Portugal maintained its head of state, its independence and it was possible to negotiate with the British the terms by which the Portuguese army would by rebuilt a reorganised and by which would occur the war against the French that would cross Iberia and end in Toulouse.
As an Republican Portuguese, I have to confess I prefer the Blue and White flag.
what a great video. Cheers!
7:21: did I just get het wilhelmus'd?
Very good work, congrats.
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One small correction, the Algarve is al-gharb (The West) but it's not the west coast of Portugal, it's actually the south coast region of Portugal, it's the west because it was the west of the Mor's Territories during that Time, because obviously they were spread through all south of the iberian peninsula for a long time.
Cheers.
Perfect video, congratulations! Very historic accurate!
Awesome video.
You're really getting good with your Spanish and Portuguese pronunciations now!
Portugal? Oh you mean South Galiza.
Galicia? Oh you mean Northern Portugal.
Portugal is to the south of galicia
@@nokiaarabicringtone1418 my bad. Thank you
It's Galiza not galicia...that's castillian...
South Galícia? Ah.... you speaking about Western Spain?
Your Portuguese was actual quite good. Congratulations. Very interesting video. Thank you!
AS a Portuguese I Know that there are 7 castles, because it was 7 castles that D.Afonso Henriques conquered from the Mours. Like the Castle of Óbidos or The Lisbon Castle.
Isso é uma interpretação moderna, os castelos são pela razão que ele falou, da ligação ao reino de castela.
@@Snitram19 Representa o Reino do Algarve .
In heraldry only the first born son was allowed to inherit the full banner of the father. Afonso III and João I had to do the changes out of necessity.
Awesome to see my own heritage on this channel, even if you do speak like a Spaniard lol. You were a lot closer to the correct pronunciation when you said "Partido Republicano Português," here some further tips:
O ending a word is usually pronounced more like the Spanish "U"
R starting a word is more of an English "H" and at the same time "R" sound ("Republicano" sounds more like if you were to pronounce this word in Spanish: "Jrepublicanu"),
S ending a word/leading into a consonant is usually an English "Sh" sound, ("Estados Unidos" is pronounced like these words would be in Spanish: "Eshtadush Unidush," you already did this when you said "Português," nicely done),
J is a voiced "Sh" English sound, like a Chinese "Zh," (e.g. "Beja" is like English "Besha" while keeping your voice going),
RR is either a Spanish roll, or a uvular roll (Hard to explain, but you probably know what I mean), choose based on preference,
M and N ending words nasalize the previous vowel (another hard one for me to explain, "Bom Dia" is something like this in English: "Bouw Deeya")
The E's are significantly harder for me to explain, but these few tips should get you a whole lot closer
As for the video, "Muito Bem!"
Hij bedoelt te zeggen dat de R in portugees een brouw-r is.
And the j is like the s in English leisure. The consonant in Chinese close to that is in fact the r, that is indeed voiced, unlike zh. In fact, most of the consonant in the pinyin transcription of Chinese that look like our voiced consonants, like b, d and g, aren't voiced either, but mostly like p, t and k, that in turn in Chines are pronounced more emphatically and with an aspiration to distinguish them from the former. Furthermore, the zh isn't the counterpart of sh, but of ch (c and z representing a 'ts' sound), where the h indicates the retroflex quality of the consonant, not palatalization.
How the hell do you pronounce H and R together wtf (I'm talking about words like "Republica" etc)
@@nero9506 Instead of vibrating theIt tip of your tongue, you do it with the back, by raising it. It isn't as much an English H sound, but the way the H is pronounced in other languages and closer to the Scottish ch in loch, or in German ach. (or Dutch g)
When you can’t use the IPA alphabet to explain your phonetics
@@seid3366 So instead of showing a picture of a rose to explain someone who doesn't know what a rose is, you write down the word 'rose' as explanation?
Great video =D just one thing although the visigoths ruled all of the peninsula, remember that the nobility whats now Portugal was from Suebi decent (also germanic) not visigothic. There is even an historian that theorises that portuguese independence was possible because of the discontentment of the suebi nobles decedents on land distribution in the reconquista by visigotihic decedent nobility. Just an hipothesis =)
Because they need a more appealing flag to wave during international football tournaments!
Absolutely. And we'll win
I believe that a sound critique is a good thing to make us improve, especially when we know that our work will have so much diffusion and we want to be responsible and not spread disinformation. I'll start by saying that the armillary sphere is not a "symbol of Brazil" but a symbol of Portuguese navigations and explorations in the age of discoveries, it was a personal and quintessential symbol to King Manuel I (1495-1521) and became engrained as a national representation, In fact, you can see it all over the place in buildings of that era and in a famous painting in the Convent of Christ in Tomar, a spiritual center (Manuel was also the grand-master of the Order of Christ)
That's why later on, you are surprised to spot it in the 1816 flag, when in fact is not directly related to Brazil (pretty much a Portuguese creation, at least back then) but a symbol of the union of three realms (Portugal, Brazil, and the Algarves). Being elevated to a position of Kingdom "per se" meant its ruler would be sovereign to a combination of realms. Afterward, You had the feeling that it was not exactly logical to ditch the royal symbol and re-used it in the republican flag, but the false assumption had been made.
As to Sebastian, he was not numbered for the simple fact that no one after him bears this name. He started to rule at the age of 3 in 1557 under the regency of his grandmother, and afterward under the regency of his uncle. he acquired full power in 1568 and ruled until his death in battle in 1578. So he ruled for 10 all years, having died 2 years before 1580 and briefly being succeeded by his uncle (Henry).
The first flag, I mean the blue cross over a white (similar to that of Finland's today) was really the first flag of the realm. Afonso Henriques or Afonso I was son to a nobleman from Burgundy, The Cont of Portucale, not the count of Burgundy. Also, Burgandy lasted for a number of centuries and became a very powerful Kingdom in West-central Europe and attained it's height in the 15 th century. The most powerful Duke of Burgundy John "The good" was married to a Portuguese Princess Isabel (daughter to John I, the "green cross" King). Burgundy is not the Netherlands, it is a historical region of France and once a very powerful player in European politics.
The green used in the republican flag is not inspired in a medieval military religious order (!). It's the color of positivism, a philosophy that profoundly affected in Europe in the 19th century and is inspired by equality and "progressiveness". On a more conspirational level, it is also the color of the Portuguese Carbonari (a secret armed branch of the republican party with direct links to the freemasons and loosely inspired in the network of Italian secret revolutionary societies of the early 19 th century). There's a point where lack of a proper investigation turns into second-guessing.
I also did not like the expression you used at some point something "another thing they invented" It's not in a good tone and may be misinterpreted. As to the frequency of changes, it was quite a stable flag, with each version for every 100 years. Also, it is important to remind that as a "personal" form of government it comes as natural that each monarch has his say on the design of the flag (Now the flag is stipulated under art 11 of the current Constitution as it suits a republic), not mention the monarch's personal flag (even then they had an intuition that the person of the King and the Crown were not the same thing)
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So can we all agree Portugal needs to go back to having blue in their flag and the Netherlands needs to go back to orange
Look at how many subs you have!!! Well done hinny 🤩
There are some fantastic castles in Portugal from tiny Algoso in the north-east to enormous Silves in the Algarve, try Elvas, Castro Marim, Mertola, Sintra for but a few.
Vexillogically, both flags are very pleasing to the eye and the colours compliment each other very well.
Eu não gosto dessa combinação de cores particularmente. Prefiro azul e branco. Poderiam ter escolhido outras cores.
@@gato-junino The red and green means masonery, s horrible flag
@@gabrielalejandrosarmientos527 Exactly!!!
As a Portuguese, I think the green and red combination is hideous, the flag would be way more beautiful if these colours were replaced by blue and white. Blue and white represent Portugal way better, in my opinion. Many people ( and not only monarchists) prefer the old colours. Also, I don't like how the true history about what the republican flag represents is hidden. A Carbonaria's inspired flag shoudn't be representing Portugal, what a disgrace.
the royal flag was just a much better looking flag.
I'm really surprise by the research its really well done. Great and well detailed explanations and with multiple views (mythical and historical).
To explain the history of our national flag you just had to explain the history of Portugal hahaha
I would rather have blue and white but oh well..
I have seen your videos about history of flags and this might be the best one (but I'm kinda bias hehehe)
The red and green flag of the carbonaria. The assassins of the last oficial king.
The last "official" king was Manuel II, and he died of natural causes in London, in 1932. His father, king Carlos I and his elder brother, prince Luís Filipe, were indeed assassinated by agents mostly supported by the Carbonária, in 1908.
Thanks for the nice video. This illustrates the saying: wanna know Portuguese history? Look at our Flag.
Forget the pronunciation, it was more than ok. Most of us could not day a single Dutch word correctly.
Haters gonna say the current flag colours are from Carbonária and the Republican party, they are wrong. They are undoubtedly from Caldo Verde with Chouriço! Lots and lots of chouriço floating on caldo verde...
Venham os haters e Viva Portugal!
As much as I love caldo verde and chouriço, I don't like them on my cloths.
Count Henry of Burgundy was of the family who ruled the county of Burgundy, that was between France and Germany, but it didn't include the Netherlands. You probably confused the county of Burgundy with the Duchy of Burgundy, that acquired the Netherlands by marriage in the XIV century.
Eddie Izzard: "...Do you have a Flag..?"
King Afonso III of Portugal was the younger brother of the previous King Sancho II, as such his CoA received a cadency difference through a "bordure charged with castles", the little red border with castles since he is also of castilian descent. When he overthrew his older brother he kept his coat of arms. And since the flags and banner were the same as the king's arms, the border passed to the flag too. It was later on regulated the exact number of castles and bezants.
Very impressive vid as always, especially the pronunciations, which are apparently both perfect and completely incorrect
Its so weird to hear brazilian and portuguese monarchs with their english names... the "Johns" are kind of ok, but Peter emperor of Brazil sounds just so odd.
But the name is in portuguese, John = joao, peter= pedro, he just translate
5:35 this gives me a whole new perspective on the "5/7 rating"-meme.
*Should have kept the old one. Looks way better.*
Great video btw :)
History for Thinkers yeah
Thank you for this video about the Portuguese flag. All in all, Portugal as a country is around us for many, many years...
PORTUGAL CARALHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The true flag of Portugal is the flag of the Kingdom of Portugal (the blue and white one), the blue and white colors are actually a reference to the cloth of Our Holy Lady of Conception, protector, and Queen of Portugal (that's why since 1640 our Kings and Queens don't wear the crown on their heads).
Social revolution!?!? What social revolution!? It was a revolution created by radical republicans who were basically proto-fascists! They killed King Carlos I in 1908 because those republicans were linked to Freemasonry! Hell, the current flag of Portugal, besides the stolen national Historical symbols, the colors have no Historical meaning besides being the colors of the Republican Party and of the Carbonária. It puzzles me why we still have that thing that the "Third Republic" calls a flag. Plus neither in 1910 or in 1926 or even in 1974 there was a referendum if the people wanted to keep the Monarchy or wanted a Republic. Props for showing our Portuguese History, my friend.
Next time you want to make a video about Portuguese Royal flags, hit me up. I have recreated ALL of the Royal Portuguese flags from the Constitutional days of the Monarchy (1835-1910).
Keep up with the awesome content! 😊😊😊
1:46 Wooooooow! Wooooow woooow woooow there my friend, the cult of St James in Santiago de Compostela is way older than the Battle of Ourique. In fact it's almost 300 years older to the date.
That was good, thank you.
There were 2 different families called burgundy, the one count Henrrique came from was the the french burgundy part of the capet house, while the spanish dynasty came from the burgundy in the hre and was from the house of the hapsburgs
About the 'Bezants' and their variable number until finally been fixed at 5; Bezants in Heraldry often were associated with the capability of a country to make it's own coin, as such a sign of independence. These were introduced by Sancho I, where independence was solidified. I can't really call the souce, but I remember reading this a very long time ago.
Just a small thingie; 'Flag' is a very modern concept, there weren't things as flags back in the old days, most of them are plain coat of arms ;)
The armillary sphere was already used in Manuel I's personal flag. It is not an exclusive reference to Brazil.
It is also not a navigation tool, but an astronomical model.
Good research and good work.
I´d only like to add/correct that one main reason for the green color in the flag is because it is the color that usually is associated with Hope (the future), and it was choosed precisely because it would be a logical poetic complement to the red color, which means the blood of (all) the forefathers spilled for Portugal (the past). So, the past and the future are both represented (and linked) by those two colors in the flag.
You are repeating party propaganda, and there was not any deep symbolic or philosophical meaning to these colors.
@@72Yonatan What party propaganda??? It´s my country´s flag. Are you sugesting that i don´t know about my country´s flag? Who the f*ck are you?
The older Portuguese flags are better than the modern one. A lot of countries and their historical flags are much better than the modern ones. Next, what happened to Canada’s old flag.
Nice, man. Talk about the short-lived Dutch colony in Brazil in the 17th century.
You sound more spanish than portuguese to me but it's ok, the time you mention the republican party (eca!!) sounds more portuguese. Great video really enjoy it. Oh, I'm brazilian by the way.
Also for the pronounciation of Al gharb, the gh is pronounced like the r in French. It’s the same with Amazigh for example.
Can you do the Norwegian flag for the next one, if you look at the norwegian site snl (store norske leksikon) and about the flag you can find many variants
Can You Make A Video About What Happend To the Old Croatian Flag?
you should call this series Fun With Flags
Very nice video as a portuguese i must say im happy someone gave us this much attention but Beja is pronniunce with the J just like in french and english as B é j huh and Evora is É v u r huh and Avis is pronnounced Avish, its very simple
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Can you talk about the Ulster baner and its history
I'm Portuguese and I prefer the blue and white flag, we should go back to the real national colours.
Ouvi dizer que há ganda comunidade de monárquicos no TikTok
A comunidade monarquista por aí é grande?
@@santsan4604 Não sou monárquico mas prefiro de longe as cores originais da bandeira portuguesa.
No
Or just modify the Açores flag...
Good video
King Sebastian I (Sebastião I) died in 1578 and replaced by his uncle, Henry I (Henrique I), who died two years later in 1580. Then came the Iberian Union with Spain and their three Philips (Filipes/Felipes) at the head.
Now this is what I'm waiting for
2:26 it’s the first time I hear the names of the cities Elvas, Évora and Beja said with Spanish accent 😂 sounds hilarious
Lol yes I went into Spanish for those probably because the list started with Sevilla I do apologise.
History With Hilbert 😄
@@historywithhilbert146no need to apologise! For a non-latin-language based native speaker, your pronunciation was great! Not perfect, but a very good effort!
Keep up with the awesome work!
"Burgundy" is still where it always was... around the swiss border in France.
While parts of Belgium and possibly also the Netherlands were RULED by the Burgundians, it was never the heartland of their realm.
Also the green fleur de lys are NOT green fleurs de lys, they are the points of a cross, called a "Cross fleury".
Why did it change so much?
Basically because Portugal is a very very old country and one of the first country-nation to come to existence
7:20 - I thought the Kings of Portugal descended from the Dukes of Burgundy on the French and not from the Titular Dukes of Burgundy from the Holy Roman Empire's side....
this is so since Henry, Count of Portugal is the grandson of Robert I, Duke of Burgundy who is in-turn the son of Robert II, King of France - they lived in the 10th century
whereas the House of Orange-Nassau of the Netherlands, founded by William the Silent was originally appointed Stadtholder Holland etc. by Philip II, King of Spain and son of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor who is in turn the son of Maximilian, Archduke of Austria and Mary, Titular Duchess of Burgundy, and Countess of Burgundy - they lived in the 14th century
these 2 houses of Burgundy (Capet-Burgundy - Robert I and Valois-Burgundy - Mary) are distinct and different . . . . not to mention the almost 400 years gap between them
I unironically thought the old flag was still the current one because of vic 2
1:27 I guess king Beef Boss just couldn't win, damn Party Phil
7:27 Yes, the Dutch are famous for their Burgundian Cuisine....
(ok, ik snap het: je had nog geen excuus gevonden om het Wilhelmus te laten starten. We zullen het door de vingers zien ;) )
19:11 excellent pronunciation!
The only flaw is the lack of a hard "R" in Republicano, like the French/German one.
*Santiago known as Saint James by Anglos and SInt Jakobus by the rest of the world ;)
Let's face it though the new one looks badass