Fender Tone Master Deluxe or Tone Master Twin? - FAQ Answered!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- This compares the Fender Tone Master Twin and Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb amplifiers. These Fender amplifiers are a digital recreation of their classic tube-amp counterparts. I wanted to add this video into my FAQ series of videos because I get asked all of the time about the differences between both amplifiers. You'll hear direct tonal comparison and my thoughts about how the tone varies between them. Is the Deluxe Reverb loud enough to gig with? Yes! Is the Twin loud? Yes.
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0:00 - Tone Master Deluxe reverb (links below)
0:48 - My Experience with these amps (disclaimer)
1:15 - Tone Master Twin (links below)
1:53 - Best for home use?
2:56 - Best for live playing
4:32 - Tone Master & Pedals
5:55 - Feel (how it feels to play)
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Your evaluations are spot on as I own both the Tone Master Deluxe and Twin. Each has it's own vibe and purpose for many applications. My original all tube '65 Twin Reverb is now in permanent residence in my studio. Both are great aps !
I agree with you on the clean boost into the overdrive into my deluxe reverb. I've enjoyed mine. I loved the Albert King licks you were hitting.
Getting the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb was hands down one of the best purchases I’ve ever made! The sound is absolutely incredible. And as I’m also a tweed amp person... I would be over the moon if Fender decided to throw a Tweed Deluxe/Twin in this series. Great review/comparison Shane! 🙂
Check out the Quilter Aviator Cub. They have a Tweed channel. I’m seriously considering one of those (or two for stereo).
Have you tried plugging in a crazy tube circuits falcon for tweed? Great tweed sounding pedal +more as it gives you two different Fender era sounds
@@richietownsend6737 the Cub is truly amazing
Cool Vid Shane! I’ve got both and have played them both out Live in different situations and have Never been disappointed in their performance. Of course the Deluxe is fun to use at 23lbs but the Twin only weighs 33lbs. The Twin can get REAL LOUD and so can the Deluxe. I guess it all come down to you sound preference. Please keep up the Good Work man! Love your Channel and Content! I’ve gotten good advise from you and LOTS of good equipment. LOL!! Cheers from Salem, Ohio US!
I do love my Deluxe, and after the update its made the reverb channel SO nice with pedals
Buying the ToneMaster Twin was one of the best decisions I’ve made!! I use it the majority of the time now, especially at the lower attenuated levels. If Fender ever makes the ‘68 Custom Reverb or Twin, I’m buying that too!!!😆
I have the 68 custom twin and it’s amazing
I am hoping for a 68 Custom DR Tone Master (and then hopefully firmware for the other amps)!
The Tone Master Super Reverb (4 x10) is out.
I bought the tonemaster twin also, grew up on tube amps, and I absolutely love it.
Lightweight, balanced line out, flash the drive to a blonde, and I think it sounds awesome.
I’m hoping for the 68 twin too 🤞🏼
Saved my life here Mate. You nailed my question specifically! Cheers from Destin Florida!
I've tried both. They both sound great. BUT...the Twin has more bloom and chime. And more harmonic richness. The chime factor and staying clean longer makes the Twin my choice.
Hmm... Haven't run out of clean headroom yet with my TM DR. Your ears must be bleeding!!!!
Great explanation. Really enjoyed this video.
I've got the Deluxe and haven't had any trouble with the volume or the presence in the mix, either live or recording whatsoever. Plus, is small, lightweight, and can be quiet enough to use it well cranked in my bedroom. Anyway, I do want to have the Twin as well, just because :)
I still haven't tried these amps. Sounds good in playing sections
I pulled the trigger on a deluxe reverb. The best decision that I’ve made in a long time. I love the way it breaks up.
Can it keep up with a drummer without a mic?
I have the cream Twin version. Its amazing, and light! I wont sell my tube Deluxe's etc anytime soon, but I absolutely love having this option.
Damn Shane, those were some tasty jams! Loved it!
Hey Shane. Great demo. It would be good to hear both amps with a booster and then overdrive as mentioned! This is what I use with my 76 twin, but it's Heavy so may sell it.
I owned a 65 valve deluxe reverb back when, I have to say that I wasn't too sure of the circuit board and especially with the valves being in a vertical position that all of the heat rose up eventually welding themselves in place, but then that was the design.
My Marshall valve amps however have the valves housed horizontally thus the heat escapes harmlessly through the top ventilation grill.
Now then, where were we 🤔
Very fair as always no bs. Have you tried the blackstar tvp or silverline? I have the tvp but I think you would do a good job of reviewing them.
Hi Shane! I haven't had a chance to try either amp. But I enjoyed the video just the same. Your improvisation at the end sounded great. You've always been a very tasteful player. But isn't it awesome how your playing can grow when you have more time to do it? I used my Bandit on my gig tonight with my new Pod Go (4 cable method). I now have a Classic 30 (with a Vintage 30 speaker). The Bandit has the stock Blue Marvel. They both sound awesome! I really don't need anything else. I have an old Marshall Valvastate 50H that needs to be repaired. Once I fix that and get a cab for it I will definitely not need another amp. You should try one on your channel some time. I would recommend pairing it with a fairly dark speaker. They are very inexpensive and they sound great.
Thanks for doing this video Shane. I’m planning of getting one for my 40th in July. This’ll hopefully make my decision that little bit easier!
I have the Tone Master Super Reverb and love it. I would never have bought the "Real" tube version of that amp. But the light weight and attenuator that lets me play it at bedroom levels, this is a no brainer. You can use it in any club, larger or small and not worry about complaints on being to loud. And it can get loud if that's what you want. Sounds great run out to a p.a. too.
My dad just gave me his TM twin and it is one hell of an amp. It’s cool that it can be powered all the way down, but set on the highest setting with volume about 5, it just shines like I didn’t know an amp could. It responds really well to picking dynamics and the volume nob on the guitar. It has that beautiful sparkly sound they’re known for. And it is really really really loud! In a good way of course. I’m sure my neighbors hate me. It’s cool I can turn the power down and get a great saturation, but it sounds a little squashed. I have pedals for crunchy sounds so that’s ok.
I have both amps. I love big hall reverb, and long sustains; my favourite guitar is a 335. I exclusively play at my home apartment. I like to noodle down the neck mostly, playing along with my favourite tracks. It’s a tough call, but the twin is my favourite between the two because of the headroom; it has a more robust sustain. When I do go visit family out of town or go to my buddy’s place to play in the city, I do prefer taking my deluxe, but that’s mostly because of the size, and slightly because of the weight, but not a huge difference there. I have been thinking about replacing the deluxe with the Princeton, I just haven’t committed to it. I feel portability is the main reason I use the deluxe, so Princeton may be the better compliment to my twin.
**The only issue I have with my twin: the front grill and front face of the circuit board arent as tight to the box, as the deluxe, which is nice and snug all around. I was surprised by this, but it looks like the deluxe is just finished a bit better. I haven’t had this issue with any of my other fender amps; so I was surprised.
Been eyeballing these since get came out and just ordered a used Deluxe from GC for $599. I can’t wait to fire it up! Thanks for the breakdown Shane!
Got the Deluxe Reverb blonde about a week ago, completely in love with it. Awesome amps!
Congrats. I have the Blonde Deluxe as well and play a Les Paul custom through it and love it too!!
@@jeffwelch2587 That is a fabulous set-up, congrats! I'm still on my Squier Classic Vibe 50s, both the Strat and the Tele, and an Epiphone ES-335 Pro. I'm happy!
I bought the blonde one today. Playing my ultra telecaster through it. It is awesome
@@TheNewenglandboys Congrats! I love mine, and I know you will too. Try putting the attenuator at 0.2W, dime the amp volume, then roll the guitar volume up. You get that lovely break-up sound without ticking off the neighbours! Just curious - did your new amp smell like someone had spilled vanilla in a wood shop? Mine did!
@@astewart9410 thanks! I'll give that a try! As for the smell, I didn't notice it lol. But I'll check that out!
...and to add that your Fender Original ‘50s Strat sounded great. Would like to hear that through a Fender ‘64 Custom Deluxe Reverb Hand-Wired.
I have a Keeley Red Dirt in "amp" mode as a clean boost after my overdrives and it sounds great on my TM Twin. I haven't tried other boost pedals.
That pedal sounds perfect through the tonemaster
Nice review mate. I am just a home player and i reckon the Deluxe will do me just fine.
Have you had a chance to try the newer blonde versions of the Tonemaster’s Shane?
Shane, I couldn’t decide which one to buy between the two, so I bought both of them! As you say, they are both great amps, but each one has its own character. I have owned a tube 65 Reissue Twin Reverb for many years now, but like so many other people, I got sick of lugging it around.
I owned vintage, reissued and tone master Twins.
The tone master was/is by far my favorite.
The weight and the ability to get break up without shattering windows is worth the price of admission alone.
Did you upgrade the firmware on your Twin and was it worth it???
I haven’t on mine yet… but I’m thinking about it.🤷♂️👍🥃
@@BillMcGirr I haven’t done the firmware update. I pretty much like the amps the way they are. One thing good about doing the update though, is if you don’t like it, you can easily revert back to your original firmware.
I've got a slew of amps, including a RI Twin, a early 70s Twin (sold 3 other ones recently) and now my Tonemaster Twin. It don't sound exactly like my other Twins, and my other Twins don't sound exactly like each other. None of them weigh the 33lbs the Tonemaster does. My George Benson Twin was 50lbs and sounded really good, but it's gone now. Looking for a used Tonemaster Deluxe (23lbs) which will probably become my main gigging amp. My Princeton Reverb (RI western tolex 12") wights slightly more then the Tonemaster Twin. That's pretty incredible to me. I love the XLR out and power reduction on the TM Twin. Why didn't they add a loop since the back isn't exactly traditional?
Yeah, seems to me that one of the reasons people back in the day went with the DR was because the Twin was just too heavy. With the Tone Master series, it makes more sense to me to go with the Twin, especially with the power “attenuation” feature.
Great information Shane. Thanks! Blues On....💙
PS. Do you think Fender will ever make a SS Blues Deluxe ?
I'm about to turn 72 next month and the TM Deluxe has been a savior for my aching back and knees. With a trio and a tasteful drummer, I can use it on the 11 watt setting; otherwise I'm at the full 22 watts. With that said, I do wish they would make a Vibrolux TM. At 40 watts, it would hit the sweet spot of the old Bandmasters, Bassman, Pro Reverb. Super Reverb, etc. In over 55 years of playing, I never needed a Twin.
They made a super reverb
I had the twin on my mind for ever but for some reason at the last minute I ordered the Deluxe. Cant wait to get it.
Got it ?
@@nicksonthevet Yeah I use it all the time. The poor Blues Jr got demoted to the other room. I have 3 amps out here that I play. The Tonemaster, a Blues Deville and a DSL 40. The Tonemaster gets at least as much love as any of em.
@@deanmccaskill5495 the Tonemaster is a modelling amp, right? Then Marshal and the other are tubes. I have never seen a tube amp before
@@nicksonthevet Yeah they’re all tube but the Tonemaster. It sounds great tho.
Great video! I went to the music store planning to buy a black Deluxe and came home with the blonde Twin. Point is you need to try them all out before deciding which one to buy. By the way, I’m a tone snob and the Tone Masters all sound amazing.
There’s an almost indistinguishable difference between these and the tube versions at peak volume but these sound better than the tube versions at low volume.
Main point is though, you have to play the Deluxe, Twin, Super, blondes and brunettes in person to make the right decision because they all sound different. Hope this helps somebody
I’ve been debating between these two amps. The main quality I’m looking for is a full 3 dimensional sound and full frequency range sound. I know the Twin would give me what I’m after, with its two 12s and just from what I know about its reputation, but it is pretty much overkill for the home-use I’d be using it for. The Deluxe seems the more suitable choice, but I just worry that with it’s smaller cab and single speaker, that it will suffer from small amp syndrome; the boxy midrange-forward sound and lack of bass that’s so common to small amps, and that I’m trying to avoid. I’m glad you brought up that factor when you said that both amps have a good 3D projection. That makes me feel a little less worried about going for the Deluxe. I mean I could just go for the Twin - it’s not much more expensive and I know it would have the sound I’m after, but I worry that with 85 watts, even attenuated down to its lowest setting I might not be able to turn it up to a sweet spot and would have to keep the volume at like .5 or something where it would sound thin and weedy, which would defeat the whole purpose of buying a 2x12, full frequency amp.
I have two TM Deluxe Reverbs. One stays at rehearsal room, other I take to gigs. Great amp! Plenty loud enough and sounds great. I prefer the TM Deluxe over the Twin because the Deluxe weighs 23 pounds, the Twin weighs 33 pounds. The weight of an amp is very important to me.
Great informative reviews. I got the Twin Blonde for me the cleaner sound works. It sounds beautiful for home use and out loads of headroom. Man on full on power it will blow glasses off the table. The weight is not at my old back limit to one hand across the parking lot. I wish they made a half twin for grab and go. The Deluxe sound is not my gig although I like the weight better. But the twin sounds so beautiful with all my different guitar types I will deal with the extra weight.
I bought the Tonemaster Twin Reverb, I’m in no hurry to buy another amp.
No pedals, an e335 copy, and it sounds great. Plus you don’t need a chiropractor after you move it.
I flashed mine to the Blonde, it sounds great, and the fact it sounds great at low volumes, due to the rear switch 1watt-80watts is a huge massive benefit.
I think it’s the way of the future, all things considered.
The Twin, hands down. Here’s the reason. Once you start pushing into breakup territory, the Tone Master doesn’t do well with some pedals. The Deluxe has trouble keeping up with a Loud band, as it is. With the Twin, you can always have the volume to stay under breakup.
I play my Twin on 1 watt, at home, with the vol between 7-10. It’s absolute breakup bliss at a reasonable volume. My personal opinion is that, unless it is strictly for home use, the Deluxe & Princeton TM Amps arent versatile enough to be worth the price. I’d spend that money towards a new Princeton Teeed tube amp or stretch for the Twin Tone Master or super
Would you choose the blues deluxe over the blues junior?
My only question is ...
Will the Tonemaster series amps feedback into sustain like tube amps ????
Hey Shane just to give me a reference point how would the deluxe tonemaster compare in clean volume to a Champion XL 50?
Great video
I bought the TM Twin last year and it is a great sounding amp, though had to sell it. I recently bought the TM Deluxe Reverb and compared to the Twin it is disappointing. I actually prefer my old Katana 50!
Love the T-bone lick at 7:28. Tasty!
Picked up the twin for $650USD locally and it is my favorite amp I have owned.
I'll give you $700 for it. Haha
I hope this video is helpful. I have been asked this about 100 times on live streams. 😀 This was also shot about a month before the last keys to the guitar shop video where I got to try it live with a band.
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0:00 - Tone Master Deluxe reverb (links below)
0:48 - My Experience with these amps (disclaimer)
1:15 - Tone Master Twin (links below)
1:53 - Best for home use?
2:56 - Best for live playing
4:32 - Tone Master & Pedals
5:55 - Feel (how it feels to play)
I bought both !!!..... kept the DeLuxe....there you go.😉
I had a Deluxe. I just believe that the Twin gives a fuller sound. I enjoy multiple speaker in live sound.
I have a mustang GTX 100,I mostly use fender amps sym and reverb.when you're comfortable with settings and playing at quite high volume the mustang sounds wonderfully. I would be really interested to know if there is a big difference with the tone master.
I have a GTX100 as well, though not too happy with it. Just overwhelming options and the sound just doesn't inspire me much. Maybe I just don't know how to dial it in just right. I'm wanting one of these TM Twins.
Super reverb, deluxe reverb or twin reverb! Which is more versatile and which do you prefer?
Wonder how your favorite Blues Deluxe with Eminence Swamp Thang stacks up to these?
Also,.. the Blonde Version of the Twin with Celestion Cream Backs?
I'm actually looking to buy a new amp and these are the ones I'm falling into.
Currently leaning to the Blues Deluxe Reissue and dropping the Swamp Thang into it. 😎
Shane, I thank you so much for demonstrating the CLEAN tones of these amps!!!
So many "reviews" are stacked with all kinds of pedals, and some of us can't even begin to learn the actual amp tones!! Likewise with pickups!
I bought a Tone Master Deluxe reverb almost three years ago, and could not be happier! We play 4 or 5 shows, 6 -8 rehearsals, several hours of practice, and a few hours of picking with other musicians every month, and it has performed flawlessly. The attenuation makes it so I can have perfect tone in any size venue, and then load it effortlessly!! A few days ago, I finally tried the direct out, and wasn't thrilled with the tones thru the PA, but I put a SM57 in front of it, and sounds great!! (This is for using in-ear monitors) We don't play loud, so have never even had call to turn it up to 22 watts (and I play clean 99% of the time). Aside from tonal preferences, unless you play VERY loud, the DR should work fine, and if not, a 57 in front will take care of it!
I am renting a TM twin and was loving it and about to buy it until tonight when I did some recording. I ABed the xlr out to an SM 57 and the XLR is muddy sounding and nothing like the 57 it is barley usable, also there is no real difference between position 1 and 2 on the IR switch. Do I have a malfunctioning unit, or did you or anyone here have similar experience or an idea of how to fix this?
@@JaffaRoad Yes, the direct out is pretty weak on my TM DR, but quite easily solved by using a real SM57 and short stand (same cord). Records just like tube version, and the light weight and attenuator alone still make it a much better choice for me (we play two+ shows a week).
After changing tubes and dealing with worn out caps, and carrying all the weight for over 50 years. If it costed MORE than the tube version, I still would have bought it, and am extremely happy with it after more than two years of constant use!
The ONLY drawback is that my old American Deluxe Thinline Tele's 3rd Generation Noiseless pickups sounded terrible thru it (but no other guitars). I've solved that by building my own (Turbocaster Electric Guitars) guitars, and use EMG Pickups exclusively in ALL my T and JM style guitars. (Best CLEANS EVER!!!)
@@JillandKevin Thanks that is helpful to know - part of the appeal for me was to be able to turn the speaker off and record multiple sources at home with better isolation. I was a bit concerned though b/c some reviews I have watched show only subtle differences between the IR and a real microphone, still even if the IR is not useable the other features are still maybe worth the cost. When you play live do you mic it ? or have you ever found a use for the DI / IR? ( I was hoping to love the DI / IR as much as the other features - but it kind of sucks - which kind of surprises me.....)
@@JaffaRoad I haven't actually used the direct out yet. I've tried it on a TV show when we needed to go to the board, but wasn't too thrilled.
I've mic'd the speaker a few times when we use our in-ear monitors, but hate having to do all that, as we play mostly small venues (Jill's hearing isn't great).
I've isolated my DR in somewhat soundproof rooms when recording, with a 57 in front, which works great IF there's a semi-soundproof room, but that's not always available.
I'm pretty sure I heard that Fender has a software update that improves the out and cab sims, at least on the TM Deluxe, but haven't actually tried it, so don't know how good it is.
Another thing you could try is turn the attenuator to lowest wattage, and then mic it. Not completely silent, but you can get the sweet spot at a pretty low volume at least.
I'm extremely happy with the TM DR, and having the direct out working good would be icing on the cake!!
Good luck!!!
@@JillandKevin - thanks - its sounds like our experience is similar. Which means it is bit of a mystery when some of RUclips reviewers show the IR sounding nearly identical to the miced up cab....
Great video Shane, I am renting a TM twin and ws loving it and about to buy it until tonight when I did some recording. I ABed the xlr out to an SM 57 and the XLR is muddy sounding and nothing like the 57 it is barley usable, also there is no real difference between position 1 and on the IR switch. Do I have a malfunctioning unit, or did you or anyone here have similar experience or an idea of how to fix this?
Try updating the firmware off you haven't. There are two other mic out emulations you can get from Fender, along with speaker IR. Play the Jensen speaker with a celestion ir, etc. It's fun
I own the 65 Twin Reverb and a couple of JC-120 amps.
Lately, I've been using the Kemper Stage the most.
Although, I love my amps, the Kemper can generate a better variety of tones. (and it's very portable)
It's your fault I have a Twin reverb at home now 😁 I love the sound 😃
Hi Shane, can the TM TWIN sound like the AB165 BASSMAN
HEAD? Will it Son Seals' like "Midnight Son" & "Live & Burnin'"?
Where in this vid is Shane playing the twin?
Can you please review the new '68 custom pro reverb from fender!????? Please?
Now you gotta throw in the new super reverb for comparison
I blew a fuse on my Deluxe RRI and I can't find a replacement in Australia 😡 Do you have any idea where I can get one?
Jaycar
@@intheblues thanks 🤟🎸
Which one takes pedals better
what is the volume at 1 like? Most amps seem to be inaudible at 1 and not tone..... then concert loud at 2!!!! What is the TM Deluxe like? What is the Twin like? Also, what is the difference between the TM Deluxe black model and the TM Deluxe Blonde?
wonder how deluxe reberb with fryette power station will compare to twin
Hi Shane! Were you using the full 22 watts? Wasn't it too loud in the room? I played one but on the lowest wattage and felt underwhelmed.. Is it playable in its full power at home? Now that i think about it, i should just watch your review again lol you might have answered that.. Cheers
I play my deluxe on 5w at home the 1w is fun but obviously doesn’t stay clean
@@studuke1952 is it comfortable, or on the verge of being too loud?
@@BladeDoomer86 ... fabulous sound at around 4/5 on the 5w setting
It’s a fab amp... I have had a valve Deluxe.... VERY difficult to tell the difference
I sold the Twin as it was heavy and I suffer with my back.. the DeLuxe is two finger light 😉
greetings from BC Canada ......had the TM deluxe fer a couple of years now .....its great ( with a celestion made in england " GT 100 12 inch speaker ) ...............putting a boss GT1 unit thru the front end ..................always liked it but there was a missing tubish something ??? ..well mother of all flying cucumbers .........i never used one before , but added the boss compressor from the gt1 .............. its now exactly tube sounding in a side by side with fender and marshall tube amps .................................for me THE MISSING MAGIC WAS ' COMPRESSION " ......................eeehhh
Have you tried the Blonde version? I think you’d much prefer the Celestion speaker.
I saw a good offer for the blonde version and I'm definitely tempted to get it. I've tried the Deluxe Reverb at DW Music in Canberra and I'm very impressed and that's with the Jensen speaker. I can imagine how much better the sound would be with the Celestion speaker.
If you don't need clean clean. Then the Deluxe Reverb can do it for you at gigs no probs. I think Shame said that but might have got lost in the info.
Easy answer: buy both! I have and find them very versatile for the different gigs that I do.
Love my reverb 🥰. And that’s your fault too Shane. Thank you.
Good comp Shane. Tell me, DO these also have a digital 'spring' reverb in them, OR has Fender kept to the real electromechanical spring tank for reverb in these?
Cheers!
Digital reverb
@@studuke1952 Ok, a bit of a let down, but ultimately MORE reliable!
Digital, but you'd be amazed at how real it sounds and feels..
@@jmo1366 Cheers!
People do not generally query the longevity of things such as Kemper, Helix, Katana, Roland et al ... So what is all the fuss about the longevity of the Tone master amps?
I have had a crappy Vox valvetronix since it came out years ago ... and has been utterly thrashed ... Still works like new, no issues.
Similarly, Got the Blonde Tonemaster when it came out ... use it for many gigs ( very unfriendly environments ) and at rehearsals and home ... STILL EXCELLENT, No problems whatsoever.
I have a couple of vintage tube amps that I would never part with ... but honestly, the digital stuff sounds so close, and also in feel ... and is very much easier to deal with.
Just an fyi: In my owners manual it states that it is a 100 watt and to simulate the 22 watt tube version. But it is a 100 watt solid state amp.
Yeah you can switch the attenuator in the back to 22watt
@@andrewcruz7595 yes the attenuater switch on back sets it to 22 "simulated" watts using 100 solid state watts.
In person, the Twin sounds HUGE and dwarfs the deluxe in sound spread. I'd never use a TM deluxe with a band. Now, an actual DRRI yes. They sound great in a mix. But the TM deluxe sounds really boxy and small in a mix. Also, you can crank the Twin on 1w mode and it breaks up great at practice volumes.
Agreed. The TM Deluxe sounds nothing much like a DRRI. I don't care for it.
The Jensen Neo in the Deluxe is the problem. A new Celestion Neo fixes that and makes it sound like the Blonde version.
@@mattgilbert7347 I get this but it's literally like comparing the best vintage DR and for boating then to a DRRI. The Tonemaster was created using the best attributes from a collection of vintage DR. Allmofnthe TM amps were. It's the claim at least. No reason to not believe that and if you think about it makes perfect sense why it doesn't sound identical, it's modelled after a collection of these.
They sound great. My only gripe with these is that they are too expensive for an amp that can be mass-produced. Plus I am not sure how serviceable they are going to be in 10 years.
BINGO! WAY overpriced. They slap the classic name on them and charge twice the money. The Champion 100 for example does more things, looks like a twin, and costs half as much. Fender is making a killing selling solid state amps with tube amp names 🤷🏼♂️
Doesn’t mean they are bad though. They are quite good 👍🏻. Just overpriced
@@JohnnyRebKy do you have a Champion 100? For years I’ve been thinking about one. How would it compare to these?
@@mikepj1025 it doesn't compare. Tonemasters destroy it.
I’ve had Solid State Fenders, Peaveys, Marshall’s etc from the early 90s to this day and I’ve never had any issues that couldn’t be fixed with a little contact cleaner spray or an occasional blown speaker. I had a Peavey Bandit 112 and a Fender Princeton 112 plus that I regret selling them both. Worked flawlessly for 20-25 years. And now that this tube crisis is happening, tube amps are gonna be the problem makers for as long as this war crisis is going on and maybe even for ever until American starts producing tubes again.
@@mikepj1025 if you want to hear really nice solid state amps, Quilter is the way to go. I'm a huge tube guy, but I love my Quilters. The Cub is fantastic and only $650 new.
I dont understand why do you use mikes. Can we hear just guitar switched to amp and hearthe tone as it is ?
Price point says buy the 65 deluxe Ri and wait till they can sell the tone master at a solid state price. It’s not that good.
How do these compare to the Fender Champion 100?
Twice the price
@@chopperking007 lol. besides that?
I have a champ 100 the clean channel is all you need with pedals
I would like to see Fender offer up a 57 custom twin and Vibro King Tonemaster amp(s) with speaker option along with expanded Tolex and grille color options Start building them in Corona California and I’ll pay the increased cost. 🇺🇸
I like these but they are too pricey imo. More than my Helix LT which has effects and amps galore.
Man, that still sounds soooo good. Either one
I want a solid-state amp that sounds good with one knob.
Pignose
Ah yes.
Lol… I owned a Pignose for decades.
It definitely has one ☝️ knob.
But saying it sounds good or great… might be stretching the definition.🤣👍🥃
One knobbers are often in a solid state when sounding great.
Servicing is never taken into account, how long will Fender have the PCB's available.. The draw to tube gear is the components can always be sourced. When the CPU in the TM series dies, will a new one be available from Fender... will they only be able to be found with a licensed service center? The true test of an amp is how long it will be repairable and in service.
Wonder if we'll see a tone master super reverb?
I hope so!
It would be awesome if Fender made a model in between the 2 they make already. Like a 40-60 watt 1 speaker or something. A pro reverb or even a 2x10 vibrolux as well as a 4x10 Super.
I’d really like to see them do a Princeton or even a Champ Tonemaster. I love the little amps.
@@corneliuscrewe677 Yes that would be good also, more portable.
Yep. Just announced!
These two master tones may even be good at playing clean, but at the level of distortion and with ovedrive pedals it is just plain bad, of course, in my opinion. With the money of one, you can buy 2 tube amps (ex: Fender Blues junior, vox ac15 or Marshall dsl40cr) for me, superiors.
Your alway most the time right on I. Have to dest agree it great amp we are getting to picky. That not always bad thing
I think I’d rather have a katana artist and another guitar with the spare money.
I’ll keep an open mind though until Fender comes our with a Tonemaster Tweed.
I've got that, but I'm definately looking at Fender Foundation drives now, especially the Mad Professor Super Black & VS Audio Blackbird. For Tweed sounds look for Catalinbread Formula 5F6, Formula No. 55, Mad Professor Big Tweedy Drive, Crazy Tube Circuits Falcon, Greer Amps Tomahawk & Brantone Electronics Vintage Tweed.
I'm kinda cheating .... but i'd say: buy the Fender Tonemaster Super Reverb😊
...And then add in the blonde versions of both as well
Oh yes! That 'TONE' tolex makes a ton of difference!
@@DMSProduktions Celestion cream back neodynium speakers are in the blonde versions I think, vs. Jenson neodynium speakers in the black face silver grille versions
@@jmacc9876 yes. The Celestion is a much better voice for pedals. MUCH better.
@@jmacc9876 Ah different speaker complement! Ok, well it seems blondes DO have more fun! ;oP
@@AndrewBanker1 BETTER mid range, so of course!
Man I just wish they would have put an fx loop in them
Yep!
As I understand it, effects loops are for two-gain stage amp architecture. They are placed between the preamp stage and the master volume so gain doesn’t mess with delays, reverbs, etc.. These ToneMasters are single gain-stage amps. There is no spot, electronically, to put in an effects loop. Fender COULD put a fake one in the rear chassis with I &O sockets & an adjustment knob to satisfy the widespread review comments, whining about “no effects loop”…but then real amp builder/critics & electronics engineers would be flooding ToneMaster reviews about such a massive corporate deceit!
@@rickthomas393
Correct… why put an effects loop in to avoid a problem that doesn’t exist.
Just put your effects in the old fashioned way.
If you’re using so many effects playing live that you need an effects loop…
This probably isn’t the amp you’d want anyway.
Any other application and the board will have an effects loop.
Instead of having a solution to a problem…
People are creating a problem in need of a “solution”.
🤷♂️👍🥃
Especially the Twin is brilliant in staying clean: your delays and reverbs will be fine just not in the effects loop
Tubes ftw!
Philip McKnight said it right. The Tonemaster would be great if it was a few hundred quid less 😂
I wonder how much it cost Fender to have one of those made. Maybe fifty bucks.
Short answer is you need both. 😁😆
Shane, when you say "analog amps". I know you mean valves, but all amps are analog amps. Even solid state amps have what are called ADA converters. True analog amps are what Quilter makes. When people refer to analog amps nowadays, they're likely talking about Quilter type amps.
No. Solid state amps, (ie transistor) are all analogue, and use circuitry. Digital solid state uses processors to get all the sounds using software, with only the amplification part on the output being circuitry.
@@DMSProduktions I agree. But even Digital amps have analog converters. How else is your analog guitar signal gonna turn into a digital signal?
@@DMSProduktions When I said solid state, I also meant digital as 99.9% of digital amps still use solid state power sections.
What's up with those quilter amps. Way overpriced for what they are. It seems they're not so popular anymore. It seems they put a high price on them to convince us they were special. Kind of a trick.
@@LeviBulger Umm, I think we got cross purposes here, but you're right re the digital amps yes!
Buy the Super Reverb
2:03 Definitely answer my question. Deluxe Reverb for the size and weight.
He didn't decide and bought both (i hope)
They can't handle Fuzz. I don't really like those speakers either.
The Twin sounds the best of the lot AFAIK
Did you try after the firmware update? I hear they handle pedals better after updated
Fender Tone Master Deluxe or Tone Master Twin? The correct answer is Fender Tone Master Super Reverb.
I wonder why fender just don't put effects loop in these beautiful digital amps
You're not alone.
It’s my understanding that effects loops are for dual gain amps, with a preamp gain knob, AND a master volume gain knob. These ToneMaster amps are single stage architecture so there is NO location electronically to insert an effects loop! The two gain stage amps mess with clean time based reverb and