Destiny Blasts Leftists In Socialism Debate
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Date: 19 September, 2023
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:01:19 JustPearlyThings on Piers Morgan
00:11:33 Destiny debates socialism and blasts tankies
01:09:39 Vaush says Destiny is the problem w/ online debate
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Ethan Wins Debate vs Socialist. H3 Fans Turn On Him.
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Hey Destiny, can't say that I can grab any Profs for you but at the very least, from communicating with many Economics Professors for various conferences at a prominent University, they generally prefer the term "command economy" to "socialism" as the latter has been watered down in terms of concrete understanding from the reasons you've pointed out. They tended to define it less as workers but as the government possessing the means of production. They do mention that no such economy has ever been purely capitalist or socialist but has mixed economies with varying degrees of direct government intervention (less leaning more capitalist). In any case, I would also mention that it isn't as simple as "democratization of the means of prod" either since the government has the ability to alienate that control from the people to varying degrees (ie electoral college as a more well-known/understood analogy). Also, the def you gave at the beginning of your convo w/Econoboi sounded more like Communism. I believe an apt distinction is Socialism is the republican democracy to a Communist's direct democracy. Hopefully that sheds some light on the actual definitions (though I wouldn't anticipate many would be able to distinguish them in conversation).
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@@JoshuaG-USC.EconomicsAssoc Yeah it's a shame, Destiny seems to have no idea what socialism is beyond some mad shit on Twitter. Communist larpers on Twitter do not equal socialism. But it's fun when he uses the term Mott and Bailey to describe socialists and then constructs one using those same Twitter weirdos to bring down any movements calling themselves socialist that lean towards economic equality. He needs to accept that the emptiest vessels will always make the loudest sounds in all walks of life, not just socialism or communism.
He makes me so mad when he takes the ideas of braindead morons on Twitter as socialism. I don't know a single socialist that understand what socialism is that says they want to kill landlords. Most of us just want social housing, which would undermine the power landlords have over the people.
Well she has a point... rape and sexual abuse are typically acts of desperation based in scarcity and rejection-based resentment. Sound reasoning suggests abundance results in the opposite, even if we disproportionately hear about abundance based sexual misconduct cases in the media because they involve high profile individuals that get more attention. We can't forget that we're never exposed to 99.9% of rape cases , of which probably 90% are scarcity-based. She ain't a dummy but she has the voice of one.
Destiny please shut up about our intelligence in the UK. You had nearly half your country vote for Trumo but our voting system means only 31% of the country voted in Boris Johnson.
Intelligence is not about countries, it's about brains and you have dunb and stupid in every country.
Pearl isn't even stupid, she's grifting and Piers is not loved over here..... literally booed twice at our TV awards, but you seem to have a hard on for him.
Please we have more attractive and intelligent men.
It’s hilarious how much Piers loves having Pearl on. She’s practically a co host
It’s like having an NBA player consistently play a middle schooler in a 1 on 1. But it never gets boring because the middle schooler just constantly talks hella shit
He has a crush on her like he had on Megan markle
Free eyes and attention for him. She gets paid nothing. Comes on and shit stirs. Possibly go viral, and no one who even unironically watches piers morgan would ever hold him accountable for having this moron on, and even if they got upset they're still going to tune in just like Destiny's audience. There is literally no downside to bringing her on at all, and every incentive to have her on. IE again, look at Destiny's audience and the wack pack of weirdos hes kept around.
We've got the new Ana Kasparian
She’s a content farm lol cow
Destiny is spot on with Pearl. She isn't dumb, she's a grifter. She knows exactly what she's saying.
I think it is kind of silly calling her "hyper intelligent," though. Is a person of average smarts not capable of following a script?
@@Immor7alBGPeople make the same mistake with Logan Paul, as if he isn't on his PR team's leash since the suicide forest
nothing triggers me quite like someone calling Logan Paul smart, I'm like dude we've got literally thousands of hours proving otherwise, just because he's rich and makes media savvy moves does not mean he's intelligent. That being said, I don't think Pearl is purely grifting, I think she genuinely believes the feminist movement is insane, but to get her audience to really get excited, she goes to extremes and becomes as crazy as extreme feminists.@@spandi23
Who isnt a grifter these days
@@Shad0wackseriously.
"British people lag on culture"
The UK office (2001)
The US office (2005)
UK Pop idol (2001)
American idol (2002)
Jimmy Savile (2012)
Jeffrey Epstein (2019)
Timbah knows what’s up ✊
@@walkingriver6104 👋
Its not sexist to hate Pearl's voice, her voice isnt annoying because she's a woman, its annoying because of the affect
A lil bit of both
@@UltraEgoMc be real, if a man had her affect it'd be so much worse
Pretty sure you mean cadence, but it still applies because even her facial expressions seem off hahaha
We attack women for their voices more than we do men, but Pearl doesn't believe in sexism, so it becomes a moot point either way.
@@papathicc9515prolly, wouldn't be the first time I mixed those up--
Socialists: Exist
Destiny: So anyway, I started blasting.
Still too hot
I need him to blast harder
10000%
Blast until Hasan and Vaush admit they are con artist like Donald Trump!
isn't that what you do to socialists?
I'm a religious watcher of H3 and I'm in the H3 discord and I attempted to get people to justify their moral claims about billionaires and they just couldn't do it.
They said "billionaires existing is immoral". This to me, means there's absolutely no world where billionaires can exist because they've given no context at all.
I used Ethan's own argument of "if there's sufficient safety nets and you're still able to be a billionaire then is it moral to be one?" They replied with yes.
I then said so it's not immoral to be a billionaire then and the ad homs ensued.
Thats weird, because rhe answer is pretty simple.
The reason why being a billionaire is immoral is because it's hoarding resources for absolutely no reason.
All these CEOs that give themselves raises while the wages of their workers remain stagnant is immoral.
Most jobs don't pay a living wage, while there's billionaires going into space like it's a vacation trip to the Bajamas.
I'm not anti-capitalism, but there's absolutely no reason why someone needs a billion dollars, I don't care how "hard" they work.
@@jkcrawlthe CEO's/owners of these businesses have a stake in the company. Essentially, they assume all the risk. If the business goes under, they are are ultimately responsible, not the workers. Additionally, the labor that people are providing for pay on a given job is directly proportional to the scarcity of that skill. So if you have a factory making wheel hubs, the press operator shouldn't be making boat loads of cash because their labor isn't as valuable as someone who has the ability to run a company successfully (much more difficult and requires more knowledge and skill).
@@maxerweller22 Like I said, none of that justifies hoarding multiple lifetimes worth of resources.
Everybody has a stake in the company they work for and billionaires are much more likely to recover if a company fails.
Every career you get into is a risk, whether it's financial, psychological, or physical.
The most dangerous job in America according to the bureau of labor statistics are loggers. Do you know where billionaires place? They're not even in the top 25.
As far as skill, there's no firm system in place that pays according to skill. Not to mention that what determines skill difficulty is very subjective. We've seen this in play in real time when Deere tried to get white collar workers to do production jobs and fell on their faces.
The logging worker I mentioned only averages about 45k per years. The annual salary of a John Deere Production worker is close to 60k and as someone who works for Deere, I can tell you it's a lot less dangerous and requires less skill in a lot of different positions (for example, I make around 60k - not including overtime - and all I do is dip cores and about 30% of the time I'm just standing around waiting for cores from the machine operators).
I'm sorry, you're just not going to convince me that the "skill" and "risk" of being a CEO justifies hoarding multiple comfortable lifetimes worth of resources. Like I said, there's absolutely, positively, no reason why any individual deserves that much money when the majority of the world live sin poverty - It's simple pure greed.
@@jkcrawl So what happens when the company goes under? Should those workers be liable for the debt? The point is that the risk for these billionaires is significantly higher than for the workers. Sure there is always risk for workers but there are levels to the risk. To pretend otherwise is insane. You are also conflating different types of risk (physical and financial) with comparing loggers to ceo's. Lastly, if there shouldn't be billionaires, I want you to explain where the line is and why it should be there. Not just a subjective simple answer of "well its immoral". If the reward for hard work in creating new companies, jobs, innovating, creating economic stability isn't heavily rewarded, we wouldn't have all the nice things we have now such as the smartphone you are probably using. I think making people's lives better should be heavily rewarded.
@@maxerweller22 Do you have the slightest clue of how much a billion is?
Tom Cruise is the highest paid actor in Hollywood at 600 million, I'd think that is more than enough money for both of us, we can agree on that at least, right?
Elon Musk is worth 263 BILLION.
It would take 438 Tom Cruises to equal one Elon Musk and there's absolutely no part of you, like not one inch that thinks "Okay... That's a little too much"? If you can't see how that insanely ridiculous amount of wealth for one individual while the people that work under them could go into debt just by things as simple as car problems, then I'm not sure what else to say.
There's a reason why billionaires are the ones being singled out.
If you don't think pure greed is immoral then I think we just disagree on a fundamental ethical level.
As far as conflating risks, I'm not sure what you're point is. You made a point that billionaires take a risk of ending up broke as a way to justify why they deserve billions, I pointed out that day to day worker risk more than that on a regular basis and are still broke.
So to answer your question, I think being a millionaire is more than enough to be considered "heavily reward". So now I ask you, when do you think it's too much? At what point do the laborers who risk not only their financial stability, but physical and mental health start getting reward enough to just simply live comfortably?
Also, there is no "economic stability" when most jobs don't even pay a living wage.
Hasan says that about landlords, but isn’t his mom a property manager?
So what he should stop talking to her or murder her? 😂😂😂
You can be a small scale landlord or property manager & not be a PoS haha, but I don't know his fucking mom honestly lol
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@@silotxI mean…. If Hasan is calling for the blood of landlords to turn the streets red.
@@JackDaniels-ru2xyI mean just objectively you’re more likely to find socialists openly calling for execution than any other group it’s safe to say. And don’t tell me no I’ve been to dozens of large protests
The lefty arc never dies
All long as shit falls from the clouds, the anti shit falling from the clouds arc never dies
@@donovan4222 leftists when they're asked how they're gonna achieve socialism
I can't believe Hasan bought a graphics card for his editor and actually thinks that what "give the means of production is". Thank you for blessing me with that clip
I think he probably knows that was a stupid thing to say, but it was funny
@@mr.negativenancy5751Stop glazing Lasan
@@grantwilliams2650 glazing? OP said "thinks." Present tense. That video was 3+ years old. Destiny was laughing *3 years ago* because he let Hasan stew in the stupidest statement he could've made about his employees.
Why y'all dgg people all talk the same? Maybe it's a twitch thing. Hassan's audience acts like that too
@@mr.negativenancy5751BUCKETS
@@mr.negativenancy5751 The reason I’m saying this is Hasan still doesn’t seem the LEAST bit read up about socialism based on his performance here. It’s not like he made some kind of huge improvement in knowledge about it over the years so why would you assume he knows better now when he often says equally ignorant shit.
econoboi is one of like 3 orbiters that is genuinely smart, good faith, and witty
I must admit, I always though Destiny was kinda overacting about Hassan because I don't really know the dude and just saw some videos. Bus he's actually been spot on where he's insecurities and stupid ideas originate, they just never were pressed until now. And why the heck is Pearl commenting on anything lol
The last sentence in your comment and your user name conflict.
I’ve been a casual fan of Ethan’s for a long while. Only caught a bit of Vaush after hearing him mentioned in other leftie video comments (for better or worse). Only found Destiny after hearing him mentioned in Vaush’s videos. So far, he seems to have the most grounded arguments, has empathy and understanding for those with other positions/life experiences, and advocates for policies that are left-learning while being able to gain a wider base of support.
Welcome, you’re a deranged debate bro degenerate DGGer now
He is also:
Sexist
Racist
Transphobic
Islamophobic
Xenophobic
Homophobic
Agoraphobic
Based
@@SporkyMcFly also has a womans name
In other words, you have biases that align with Destiny.
@@deepseadarew6012 Lmao is it not possible to think that someone has better arguments without being biased?
Im pretty sure this is the third time Russel Brand had allegations of assault of this nature
In retrospect, his attempts at stand-up comedy probably constituted some form of assault
I love Destiny, but sometimes on certain subjects like socialism where he has passionate disagreement, if he doesn't have an answer that strongly supports his position, he'll just act like the language being used is absurd and nonsensical. He's saying that the state socializing existing companies isn't socialism, but when the other dude uses a very Destiny tactic and says "Yeah, but is it capitalism? Not really...", Destiny is like "rah Idk what anything means anymore, this all makes no sense. Definitions means nothing" when the very answer he would demand from himself in this situation is "no, I guess it's not capitalism either". I feel he does this sometimes to prevent his opposition from being able to thread the needle on a point. I'm not even sure he does it on purpose.
It’s a debate show most of the time
"average lefty when someone disagrees with them"
Dude why are you so bad faith man, come on man, if I sat down with you for 5 minutes and we talked about socialism, you'll see it's not bad, come on man, you just are emotionally invested in hating socialism man.
"Retweets 28 posts about cutting up Burger King managers for a snuff flim"
"Not really...... Ummm noo..., You're just passionately disagreeing with me with no strong evidence.....
Gtfo.
40:00 I love it! Giving your editor a PC so he can "own the means of production" is like a business owner giving his employee a hammer and saying they now own the means of production :)
Edit:
addendum for anyone with severe autism. The "hammer" is a metaphore for owning the tools of the trade, and owning it instead of having an ownership stake in the workplace etc. This was a critique of Hasans view on socialism according to the teachings of Marx and Engels, and that they did not advocate for a revolution where the workers would own the tools but still have the workplaces owned by capitalists and their work funneled to the top
And i say this as someone who is not a personal fan of Marx/Engels, but atleast someone who has basic understanding of their arguments
He's given them the equipment and incentive (no salary or pay) to grind 😤
Uhhhhh no it isn’t because a hammer is worth $10 and a pc is worth $2000. Also a hammer is practically worthless compared to how much utility a pc has. A better comparison would be giving a chef a nice flat top grill (or something similar), or giving a mechanic a lift for cars or a tow truck.
@@uhok6712 both a hammer and a pc are tools that can do many different jobs and help enable you (in theory) to make income. A PC does more things,, but at the end of the day, they're just tools. Replace hammer with multi-tool/welding rig, etc. The dollar value is the only difference, but that's not that important of a difference. The analogy holds.
@@drewbydoobydoo2918 the utility is the importance.
@@drewbydoobydoo2918 a hammer by itself does not let you do many different jobs. A better analogy would be “literally an entire tool box with everything you could possibly need to do the job”
The only thing in Pearl's mind that has evolved is her hair care routine
She seems to be in studio for this, maybe they did it here.
Highly doubt she did her own hair and used her own products lol.
I’m center left and my friends sometimes try to have an intervention over random stuff like being concerned that I’ve become transphobic because I thought the threats to burn down Bandai namco over witch from mercury were insane and those people deserve nothing but legal issues as threats and incitement of violence are not protected by the first amendment.
I don't know what that even is, but I can assume.
Anyways I thought they were just hacked like two years ago?
Bandai Owns Gundam and a ton of people sent them death threats when they obfuscated the relationship between the two female leads of the anime, like it still suggested they were together just not stating it to let them air it in more countries.@@sudafedup
@@durandus676 Over a work of fiction about fighting robots? I'd say I'm surprised but I guess it's easier to send death threats from the comfort of your own home to a Japanese company making cartoons than it is to start the revolution of the proletariat.
@@sudafedup I can hear "its gotta start somewhere" from Vaush or Hassan already as a response to your comment.
Honestly get new friends 😂
I mean most leftists and “leftists” (as most people who call themselves leftists aren’t) aren’t able to argue for the system they support. They go based off of feels which is a really bad way to argue for any given system which means they tend to do poorly in these types of conversations
Project harder
@@JudasMaccabeus1
I don’t think they should be doing any more projection?
@@JudasMaccabeus1I agree, the leftoids should project harder
your capitalism was built on the ‘feelings’ of the serfs against the empires in the 1500’s. This ‘detraction’ against ‘feelings’ is incredibly interesting because you assume that society is based off some quantitative values when the reality has always been that a Village would burn a witch based off hearsay.
@@random_bitlogically and rationally witches was trash and deserved it actually
It may be September...but it's always August when I'm watching a Destiny video.
Econoboi is such an insanely chill dude. Loved all the bits where Destiny would absolutely go off in pure rage and the dude was just like *"Yeah I get what you're saying for sure"*
Except for the manipulative “Right?” At the end of every assertion to force agreement
@@coimbralaw That's just how he talks lol it's not a big deal
The lefty arc pt. Two?
It never truly stops my dude.
@@Bai_Su_ZhenThere’s probably a leftie squatting under each of our beds right now.
god please no
I just realized Destiny reminds me of Roman from Succession 😂 When he thinks someone’s point is stupid or is being dismissive of someone’s point they’re near mirror images of each other.
Hey August, when Destiny says "why would I see any ground" it's actually cede as in concede.
Always awesome to have Econoboi on stream. I have really liked watching his contemplation of sovereign wealth funds as a kind of *teleports behind you* backdoor socialism.
Econoboi was so much more grounded for this whole discussion. Kinda sad to see Destiny so twitter-pilled about the broader public discourse
So to be clear, Econoboi does not believe in private property and considers ending it essential to Socialism?
yes, SWF-socialism seems to be pretty viable, and the arguments for it are way stronger than destiny will admit. there are some drawbacks, but he doesnt name any of them
@@johnblunt1313i think econoboi is ultimately not in favor of getting rid of private investment completely, but he’s sympathetic to the SWF-based socialist model and thinks theres a case to be made for it. i know he supports at least having some SWF-owned wealth
@@ketamineautism A SWF is not socialism. In socialism the government owns the means of production. This is not up for debate. This is the definition of socialism. If you allow for any private investment whatsoever then you are not a socialist. You are a statist, classically called an etatist in Europe.
Econoboi not realizing that conservatives hate Medicare and the postal service.
Yeah he also used the great strategy of generalization for most of his anti conservative leaning arguments
I really like Econobois ideas around the conversation being between the spectrum of privatizating & collectovising institutions, so much more productive.
i dont get why people say socilaism is hard to pin down
Socialism is a philosophy in private property
Marxism is Worker ownership of property
Democratization of the economy is a type of socialism, syndaclism, and democratic socialism
this is surface level stuff idk how they dont know this
"You have to be smart enough to choose the dumbest shit to say" got me good lol
Hell yeah, 2019 all over again
41:45 August you are the best editor, and you deserve every cent. You're practically the reason I watch this content as otherwise it'd be a slog.
I watched a lot of Vaush without agreeing with him much but I did feel like he was a genuine person who had been a bit co-opted by ideology. Then after watching just a few Destiny videos on the subject I've come to realise that Vaush is twisted.
I think he's angry that Destiny beat him repeatedly and he'll use dishonesty in an attempt to get back at him. Pretty frightening.
There's a video destiny put out about vaush maybe a year ago I wanna say it was called the vaush manifesto or something? It has countless examples of vaush showing how intellectually dishonest he is and even claiming things like, "I would be intellectually dishonest in order to further the causes of marginalized groups" and "I would exterminate any right leaning person, maybe even liberals if I could enact my system of government" and other crazy shit like that. He's fkin nuts. Just so happens to be a really well spoken orator which gives more credit to his positions than they deserve IMO. Kinda like J Peterson when he speaks about shit he has no clue about.
It’s not bs. We shouldn’t be dropping a hundred billion on anything. Our debt grave keeps getting deeper.
I like both vaush and destiny. one is cringe sometimes because he is a bit too woke. the other is cringe because sometimes he is a bit too conservative. but both are entertaining and good at debating. and neither is a grifter.
When has vowsh been too woke?
And both have massive fucking ego problems
I wonder how many times that Louise lady had to say "I don't believe them because they are women, I believe them cause their individual selves and testimony are creadible" for pearl to understand that she doesn't believe those women simply because they are women. But apparently 3 was too few.
I think the problem is tankies aren't socialists. Just like nazis weren't.
I love how August just does a rare meme edit here and there now and it always catches me off guard.
I do think landlords are part of the problem with the housing crisis and inflation. This is my first hand experience when foreign rental investors bought out most of the housing in my country and the cost of living sky rocketed. I dont think they should die but why cant we have a cap on the ammount of housing a person or company can have? Capitalists should understand that good capitalism can only work great within certain boundaries to drive the entire system forward not just the very few and not at the cost of everyone else.
Who’s the landlords? Black rock and state street?
@@Ezrasghost Any professional renter with more than 5 properties.
Where i live, a lot of property (mainly apartments) has been bought by millionaires from mainland China, who have no intention of living here at any point in time. I've seen 8+ apartments be bought at once by some dude from China who sent a representative to buy the apartments.
The best way of fixing the housing crisis is introducing a policy that bans any non-citizen or permanent resident from owning any property or business. All they can do is rent. If they want to own they have to become permanent residents or citizens.
@@TGTDestiny yeah if US citizens can’t buy property in China then why are they allowed to monopolize the market here? I’m not sure if we aren’t allowed to buy land in China but I highly doubt that we are.
What Destiny calls socialism in his world is literally what Marx called petty bourgeoisie
I could be wrong here but isn't Destiny doing the same thing when he says he hates people from both sides calling government programs "socialism" (which I agree) since they don't have anything to do with who owns the means of production, but will then call the isolationist rhetoric from the right anti "capitalism" when it has nothing to do with it also? I feel like the right position has more to do with the free market in regards to foreign policy than being against private ownership of capital. I would even say it isn't anti "free market" as it isn't a problem with the concept itself but rather the extent it is applied foreign and domestically. Not saying Destiny is wrong to criticize the rights position here but I do think he's being slightly hypocritical. Only slightly though lol, could also just be a mispeak!
There's no such thing as State Capitalism, the State is a public entity, hence cannot engage in Capitalism
The isolationist isn’t free market is a completely wrong argument because trading with a communist country makes the market more communist(big government run) then not trading with them.
I don’t see how anyone could not get that, private business owners having to compete with a government funded business isn’t free market at all, even if that government is in another country.
11:10 Pearl is making the same error most people make when talking about grape. Grape is a crime based on POWER not a crime based on sex. When you look at it from that view it makes PERFECT sense why Tate WOULD grape someone.
Lol, exactly. She also thinks that wealthy people don't steal money.
@@thomasramsey1870 Same concept. There’s no pre-requisite to being greedy.
@@Bori.1776 exactly
Don't see why it can't be both but another mistake is thinking someone would not grape for sex when they have options, like people who get sex and have a lot money you have a lot of options but not every option.
Fruit salad will never be the same again
45:00 (somewhere around there) I think destiny’s actually pretty out of touch in regards to what normie politics is like. He’s actually fallen into the terminally online space deeply enough that he’s forgotten he’s only interacting with like 5% of the people involved. I think the “in 20 years” is a lot more realistic, and there’s plenty of room for politics to adjust in that time.
The "that's just Twitter lol" talking point is pretty much dead at this point
@@ChachiMcSwaqq But it really is just twitter. The same arguments against it being a large part of the public opinion are still exactly valid.
@@peterkirk8510I haven't heard the context of this yet so I may be way off, but if he's talking about people claiming to be socialist then that is not just a Twitter thing, that is pretty blatantly true. I've had conversations with a plethora of people who say they are socialist. The issue is they have no clue what that means and when you start pressing them on it you find out the are soc dems
@@Irishhound the public discourse is not about socialism lol, it’s not a seriously considered ideology at all. It’s still very much an online thing
I like this guy so far. He seems polite and willing to debate.
socdems regurgitating the most smooth brain anti-socialist talking points is never going to be not entertaining.
God the RUclips videos and especially intros have gotten so good recently August is always fine-tuning except I think DGG chat is showing up about 5 seconds too early in some instances
1:11:55 This is a new one. He successfully spun his jealousy and unwillingness to come up with good arguments into an attack on Destiny's ego stroking? I'm actually bamboozled by that attempt.
What _really_ bugs me about Perl is that shes so well spoken, confident in front of the camera, and happy to spout shit. Its gotta be a strategy to get famous.
Not in the H3 podcast lol. I felt like the true Pearl got revealed there.
I haven't seen that, but I agree she falls apart when the right questions are asked, and it's obvious most of her points aren't well thought out or well researched. It's like I have a hunch I'm right about this takes. @@TR13400
Her formula only works when the hosts like Pierce play into it. They are essentially "yes, and"ing her like it's an improv bit. Her bad takes are rage porn for liberals which is probably great for ratings. It's a perfect example of the failings of our media
I think the simpler answer is true. She just genuinely believes what she’s saying.
Well spoken? Nah. And she's only confident when she's not getting any real pushback.
Destiny using the sound affects got me dyinnnnngggg 😂😂
Capitalism is individual/private ownership of the means of production.
Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production.
Communism is collective control of distribution.
This is why people often will say, "Oh that social spending program is socialism." What they mean is that it's communist because most socialists are actually communists but they identify as socialists because it's less scary and because they don't know what either one means. Now technically it's not communist to have social spending because the government doesn't completely control distribution but it is blending into the spectrum of communism because that is a % of collective control (through government) of distribution by taking your taxes and redistributing it.
The US is obviously a mixed system but at what point do you argue it is no longer capitalist? Is it simply a matter of taxation percentages? If you have over a 50% taxation rate and most of that money is being redistributed do you then start calling that a communist country but with capitalist elements?
THE VINE BOOM, he did it! Amazing job, August
“There’s no center right.” This guy is in a blinding political bubble.
Can you name some center-right content creators?
That was a weird thing for Destiny to say. Sounded like a Vaush thing.
@@thereccher8746 It was his guest, not Destiny, not sure if Destiny agreed or not.
@@jarnholdtyt5189 Sure, Peter Bohgossian, Reid Nicewonder, and Brad Polumbo come to mind right away. But I got the impression the guest wasn’t talking about content creators, but just people in general.
@@daasnahk5058 I’m not sure how he identifies himself, but if I had to put him in a category, I’d say center right. If left and right are a spectrum, given the “center right” term, then I think he’s there. Just being independent from parties doesn’t mean you aren’t on the political spectrum. I’m independent, as well, not affiliated with any party, but my beliefs probably fall into the center right category, as well.
I literally bought my slaves their own gloves and baskets and said, _"here, you get to own the means of your production. This way you get to pick any cotton you want with your own supplies."_
“Capitalism” was a borderline slur created by French Socialists in the late 1800’s. Start using ‘free markets’ instead when describing the framework
Really good convo & complents to the Editor.
I'm between Destiny & EconoBoi on this. I think the problem is the last 60 years or so has been the Democrats & Republicans trying to appeal to they're fringes & radicals because they are more motivated & the assumption has been the moderate & mainstream will just fall along party lines or not vote. As a result politicians tend to let the fringe online set the tone of discussions.
Econobio is correct. All ideologs & theory brained people are pretty disconnected from reality & either have no policy plans or policies based on they're fee fees.
There is a direct relationship between understanding more about the world/reality & being a moderate.
Hell yeah the Repubs and Dems are totally adovcating for communism or entho states lmao.
Remember, a vaccine that doesn't even prevent infection is a miracle.
@@donovan4222 that's not because of "liberal centrism", that's bc we have a centrally planned banking system called the federal reserve that is destroying the value of the currency. Central planning is a leftist belief system.
@@Fabric_Hater remember a dead guy resurrected and no one can prove it, is a miracle.
@@gabrielmccray3457 oh did destiny also say that? All I did was quote Destiny.
Favorite Destiny convo I’ve seen since the red pill arc started
How long before Pearl hits the "R@pe isn't real." or "I think women want to be r@ped."
August is doing great with these intros
I disagree with the "Vaush throating Stalin" cause he's very anti Stalin but other than that yea there isn't really a difference between the far right and far left when it comes to dishonesty
Vaush is anti whatever he needs to be at that moment in time
one can be a stalinist and dislike stalin.
@@adamvifrye2690
how
@@garywebb2432 By advocating for things Stalin would have wanted while saying he hates Stalin.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624
like what
God ever since Destiny brought up how Pearl talks I can't unhear it now and it hurts my brain.
Good contribution, thanks Econoboi.
I don’t understand why Brand’s defenders think being a Populist Conspiracy grifter and being a r*pist are mutually exclusive?
1:09:50 Vaush isn't talking about Destiny here, he's talking about himself.
Of course it is projection.
Why do so many takes on socialism end up sounding like capitalism with extra steps?
You mean every implementation of it in reality ever? Lol, it just doesn't work, it always reverts to capitalism with government corruption.
Because every single socialist has to balance the beliefs that capital is both incredibly useful and exploitative , but they refuse to accept that the only way you can describe it as exploitation is through a primitive form of accounting based in pure maths.
The only way the maths can work is to reduce the system to one entity owner (government) or at the firm. Given humans produce network systems this gives rise to power laws and hence inequality the firm method won’t fix inequality, and the government requires totalitarian practices. Given capitalism doesn’t have this accounting contradiction. To compete the socialist have to do capitalism with extra steps.
it's more like capitalism with all the benefits removed, and replacing the profit earners, with the gov't, which means it's nothing but exploitative with no possible benefit for the workers. That's socialism/communism.
Or maybe socialism have to exist in our capitalist world ? so its normal that it blend the line sometime, IT HAS TO.
Bruh editing skills is on fire did Austin go to school for it ?
In the intro ( 0:43 ) I think he says "cede" and not see. "Why would I cede any ground (...)"
It's kinda funny, because I tend towards extreme skepticism with any sort sexual assault allegations. But DAMN if it's not REALLY easy to think that Brand could have done these things. They very well COULD be bullshit. But someone with a self admitted Drug and Sex addiction issues makes it a LOT harder to be skeptical of the allegations. If you wanted to believe ANY allegations, it should probably be the ones put up against a former drug and sex addict lol.
The problem with the allegations, isn't that they're not possible, or even likely true, it's that when he was actively a sex addict, living this hedonistic lifestyle, the mainstream loved him, he was put in movies, tv shows, etc. but only now, when he's matured, gotten help for his sex addiction, and now lives a relatively quiet life just doing a youtube show criticizing the establishment, suddenly the media wants to cancel him. I find it hard to believe anyone in the media actually cares about russel brand doing bad things in the past, because those same people in the media, help to cover up epsteins client list, and discredit his victims that came forward.
@@tooitchy Lol, nothing you said had anything to do what I am talking about. All I was talking about was the potential validity of the allegations, nothing about the media and epstien and whatever lmao.
My favorite part of this is when Destiny said he was sub 92 IQ.
Fr, he said he was in the room with them 💀
It’s like getting a zero on a true/false quiz- you’d have to be smart enough to kno which one is wrong
Vowsh intellectually outpaced destiny while he was beset by tiredness and cold hands, by telling it like it is: Destiny's Satiation of his feeling of intellectual superiority takes precedence over anything
My favorite thing is when statists attack other statists for being statists.
wow destiny really nailed that Pearl impression
Destiny's I.Q. plummets to Antarctic room temp whenever socialism/capitalism is brought up. Does anyone else notice this phenomenon?
8:43 OMG can't unhear this. 😂 Can't listen to her for longer periods anymore 😂
Why does Destiny not understand that the government is the people? If the government owns the NHS the people and public own the NHS. His whole arguments are against commenters on some subreddit, not actual people. Jesus he's annoying on this one. The other guy is very good but Destiny is arguing like an edgy teenager on the internet, I mean, Ben Shapiro, come on. Give us a break, edgelord.
Lol. Thats funny.
Don’t act like the people have any real say over the NHS come on now
Sure but that's not socialism.
@@_Botao_ when did I ever say it was?
@@raffitorres1714 The original comment seems to be implying it.
Cuz Conservatives were right @Destiny 20:00 you can word salad it as much as you want.
I've rented out property to people a lot, and in my experience, renters tend to be some of the most selfish, self centered, people who will do anything to rip you off.
We had one renter complain about a leaky pipe, so we hired a plumber to look at it. We told the renter the exact time and date the plumber would bd there. The plumber shows up and the renter is no where to be seen so the plumber left. We rescheduled and this time thd plumber shows ip but the rent is no where to be seen so he calls me and I showed up with the spare keys to let him in. We found the renter in the livingroom high as a kite out of his mind. Apparently he did the same thing the last time, got high and was too paranoid to open the door. This time he screamed at us. Claiming we didnt inform him about the plumber (we did, both on the phone and in writting which he signed, he just forgot because he got high.)
Another time, a renter ditched out on the rent and left all her crap in the house. Took us two weeks to clean out all ghose cloths, rotted food, trash and junked furniture. 1 year later she showed up demanding her stuff back like we're some kind of charity storage facility or something.
And thdn all the renters who just demolished our rent houses and who refuse to vacate the houses after not paying rent for months at a time. We have never once had a deceng renter.
As Shortfatotaku said, bread tubers are tankies in denial.
Talkies?
@@edcaous probably meant tankie, but it autocorrected.
@@edcaous walkie-talkie
wankie-tankie
that’s the guy who said fascism to be post marxist socialist
your taking him seriously
The vine boom every time Destiny makes fun of the British 😎
Destiny doing the pearl voice just made it bearable.
I don't get why some leftists still hung up on the idea that Marxist economics is something of value. I mean, there are of course academics who study Marxist economics, but taking them serious is like listening to a doctor who claimed no vaccine is useful.
Such a good editor
really is, hope the guy knows how valued his style is to the channel. Great stuff.
She didnt call him Alt Right, she said he was "tacking onto the alt right". I'd perceive that as a grift.
I never said I agreed with them, just saying destiny misheard/misinterpreted it what she actually meant.. imo@@unknownyoutube10101
who are you talking about
@@weeb6316 The woman arguing against Pearl.
There's no fucking difference between implying somebody is alright and implying that somebody is pandering to the all right it's the same sort of accusation.
@@RediTtorayou americans are so far right in general that you would consider desantis a conservative
I would love to see destiny speak with Yanis Varoufakis. I think that would be a super productive conversation.
17:09
The UK's National Health Service (NHS) is not something to be aspired to, instead look to the socialised healthcare systems of other European Countries as they have much better
outcomes.
Also note, the British approach to healthcare still allows private insurance and private healthcare. Both of which are growing in popularity as the NHS is starting to buckle.
How did pearl of all people have a talk with Piers? Why couldnt destiny?
Because Pearl is a woman whereas Destiny just simply pretends to be a woman online.
@@yourarchnemesis8453Pretend?
Election year bout to be littttttttt
It's not sexism, Pearly is just unbelievably annoying. This Piers Morgan thing made her surpass Tim Pool as the most frustrating person to listen to on the political right.
How Pearl has an audience is beyond me.
Destiny just needs to google “socialism”. It’s not the “workers” just owning a business. Socialism is when the community (or a government made up of and voted for by the community) owns and/or regulates a means of production, distribution, or exchange.
He also needs to look up the definition of capitalism on a more deep level because his definition is just the results of the system not the principle of the system itself for a theoretical point of view.
Also socialism as a tradition was always and necessarily has to be opposed to capitalism.
And then the government owns the people, continually repeating North Vietnam and USSR shit
@@_Botao_YES. He literally doesn’t know the definition of either, it’s so frustrating.
He genuinely believes the government regulating industries is capitalism if they have the consumer in mind…
Socialism is when public roads. I think the simplist socialist ideal is to prevent the exploitation of labor for the gain of the owner class. The best way to do that would be to make the worker the owner in some way. Making the government or community the owner will definitely result is similar abuse of labor for those the society is willing to throw under the bus, like farmers. Similar to the 2 wolves and 1 sheep vote on what to eat problem. The government ownership doesn't remove the incentive to over work and under pay, it just moves it to a higher level, which is why people call the Soviets state capitalists sometimes.
@@wheezer6695 The government is the people. (In a representative/democratic government). Plus, you can have social policies and aspects to a system, not every part. You can socialize one industry or one business, for instance.
Destiny
The uk has better schools than America
We have healthier food
Don’t lie 😂
This guy really likes to use "right?" to try to cement his point without merit. And Destiny is right, this tactic of soft and hard definitions has been used over and over. Recently we've seen this used with Fascism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Words no longer have meaning and that is an insidious political strategy in itself. Slap someone with a soft definition of Fascist (they're a Republican) and then use the hard definition to describe what they want. Same with Socialism, same with Communism and on and on. It is a tactic that is degrading political discourse and the only way forward I can see is trying to force people into staking out a definition and not allowing them to do this.
Brand has definitely been labelled alt-right.
I can NEVER hear Pearl the same way again, always gonna be actually hearing Destiny in that Nasally tone 😂😂
The instant he unpaused her, "fuck....ew"
She’s not wrong, pearl is bring up legit points and the otherside brought…..reports of allegations.
Nah
Destiny realizing that the conservatives were right when they said "socialism is when the government does stuff" is pretty funny
Love the editing ❤
Loved this conversation. My only gripe was when Destiny mentioned that a more capitalist version of Hasan doesn't exist because that's what he currently is. Hasan could be more capitalist in many ways. Investing money in other businesses, stocks, housing markets, Not being the #1 individual donator to the Amazon union and not sharing ownership in a co-op (his podcast).
He's spending the money earned from his Twitch stream (which he has sole ownership of) to maintain moral authority... it doesn't get anymore capitalist than that! 😉
If he is advocating that all businesses structure themselves as coops moving forward, then why doesn't he structure ALL of his businesses that way?
He's a good commie, he takes money from incredibly stupid people and does nothing to benefit them with it. Classic communism.
@@donovan4222 It's a very capitalist move to donate to a charity in order to preserve your brand image of being a socialist. A co-op could be implemented in his stream (which is a business) so that moderators / editors / anyone else that works with him has a share in ownership - you don't think that he's exploiting their labour at the moment?
"Don't you like the USPS?"
Literally the worst example ever 🤣
Lysander spooner has entered the chat
I don't get that one tbh. I haven't really shipped things before (other than telling Amazon to send it to a friend). But I have never had problems with the mail unless it is a 2 month delay when I was a kid ordering beyblades from China.
Even though the USPS has it's problems, I still love it. Long live the mail.
@haruhirogrimgar6047 I had a postal worker forage my signature on certified mail, so thousands of dollars of equipment was stolen because of that. With a run around from the post office that lasted several months, I was finally told by a postal inspector that what happened was terrible, but I was SOL. I also like sending letters, but it was a trash experience that is not the most unique when it comes to the US postal service
No, it's not. The US postal service has one of the highest approval ratings of any US Federal agency.
I think Piers has Pearl on to make the right and red pill look as dumb and foolish as possible lol. He’s playing chess
Here we go, more Pearl just sighing in disdain between every third sentence like everyone else should just obviously know what she is saying.