Dear Phloppy Whoppy, knowledge you might want. So there is this new menu in war thunder which has radio layout and you can access it by pressing Y. I hope it helps :).
The "REDUCE SPEED" indicator is a lie. You can actually reach a much higher speed before your plane starts disintegrating. You'll know that you're close to breaking point when your plane starts making weird noises and your speed indicator turns red. Ignore the "REDUCE SPEED" indicator.
The Lightening was brilliant for what it was designed for, outer UK radar spots Russian nuclear bombers at very high altitude, the plane could take off and climb to intercept before bomber could drop payload anywhere on the UK...…………...It was never really designed to do anything else hence the low amount of ordnance, it had one job, destroy high altitude Bear bombers. Which is why I thought it was very weird it was going to be added to WH as it doesn't fit in with how people play the game. Ex Armourer, RAF Leuchars oh and it was a bloody nightmare to work on and maintain the dam thing was also toxic in every possible way even worse than Soviet aircraft of the era and they really didn't care about their ground crews LOL.
It was probably added because the community wouldn't stop bitching about it. Just about proves how little the community knows about stuff they keep crying for so much.
You worked on Lightnings? Cool, which ones did you work on? I'm currently assigned to an F.53, basically an F.6 with minor modifications, not worth noting.
The difference in after burner length is actually due to engine placement, the top engine is placed further forward in the fuselage than the bottom engine, so more of the burner trail is hidden in the aircraft. I believe this was to help balance the centre of mass.
Despite what Zetaris says, the only thing overperforming is the turn performance. The flight model is MASSIVELY underperforming in acceleration, climb, ceiling, and speed at altitude. It can't even get close to its historical ceiling, or acceleration/ climb at altitude.
@@KoteDarasuum Erm... source being that if you take it out in War Thunder, it can't even reach its top speed or ceiling. It gets outperformed in acceleration by aircraft which historically had lower performance, and it locks up and rips when being pushed much above mach 1 at medium altitudes which is supported by absolutely nothing.
It is relaxing. Turn down the game sounds, put on some music or audio book, watch the views (the game is very obviously best looking in this mode), and sprinkle in some action when it happens. Super chill compared to ground battles in my experience.
I mean, they should add something that isnt either a quirky famously bad plane (like the Javelin) or a full on interceptor like the Lightning, they will be fine once they get the Tornado
@@therealmp40 Panavia doesn't give licenses, we'll never see the Tornado in game. All that is left in the foreseeable future for Britain is the Harrier and Jaguar. That's it.
You mean hilariously badly implemented in the game most of them. If the brits get something it will be a broken mess and never be fixed ever. (Challenger 1 and 2, Striker, and on and on and on)
I prefer his Videos where he cusses, like in his old Videos, its just real, its him , i feel closer to him (no homo), today when i watch his Videos i feel like his audience is ten years old with all the censorship.
Back in the late 70s I was lucky enough to attend an airshow somewhere in Cornwall. We arrived a bit late and we're walking to the airport when people started pointing back, behind us. At very low altitude we spotted the lightning approaching fast and then pull up vertically overhead under full power. I have never seen or heard anything like it before or since! We had to cover our ears and the ground literally shook! I will never forget it (nor the Red Arrows and spitfire)
One of the engine is located closer to the front of the plane thus the burner flame seems to be shorter, dunno if gaijin modeled it right when it comes to engine placement tho
@@marjiarani4802 i hate mice, you'd think its worse form is as vermin. But next thing you know you have a almost 100 ton beast that uses a 75mm gun AS A SECONDARY?
Phly: "Warthunder does this on purpose though. Ppl who've been playing for more than 5 months can kinda grasp it. Its a selling point really" Me: "British jets aren't allowed to be good?"
Gaijin hates Britain. The last thing they gave Britain that turned out ridiculously good for some odd reason was the hornet mk III, or maybe the hunter f6 because of the missiles lol
@@matyasdivis2075 hunter f6 is fine and the fgr.2 is fine but i cant trust gaijin anymore after the lightning release, they proceed call everyone that said the lightning need a buff "britbongs" and said the lightning is overperforming. When a day later zetaris comes out with a video showing how its more underperforming than over.......they even refused to accept that their model is wrong....kinda hard to not say they hate Britain
Ahappyteddybear it’s also weird because in the early stages of the game everything Britain had was absurdly powerful for one reason or another. But now most of everything new for the British is garbage. look no further than the fleet air arm line. And things that were good before hand have been considerably nerfed (tempests and spitfires). Not to say EVERY British plane is garbage, but they do not compete well with what they are up against right now, and most British aircraft require a good pilot to do well in
Britain has a superiority complex ever since they went from owning half the world to being stuck on an island the size of New York, and they like to routinely overestimate the capability of their own domestic vehicles.
Reason why it was so over-talked is for 3 main reasons bellow: 1. It was the vehicle people asked for to be Britains rival to the Super Sabre and MiG-19 and what ever other vehicle that may be added around it. It is a '50s plane after all. So it would've fit well then/ at those BR's. 2. Gaijin did confirm it'll be released but it is "too good" for the current top tier; which a reminder is F-4C Phantoms and MiG-21's. This strikes me as odd as the phantom replaced the lightning but I digress. 3. People misquoting a pilots letter about the Lightning being "better than an F-15'. It was more enjoyable to fly- not superior in performance. Overall. We have the 3 horsemen that slapped us when this thing got added and like I said on the Phantoms dev blog that now only the Lightning F.7 or Sea Lightning (both never built) can be the only ones to compete.
Gaijin's ability to add an amazIng vehicle and make it complete and utter garbage is truly mind-boggling. It's amazing they haven't flagged Phly for nudity yet
@Dorian Ferguson overperforming at high alt and underperforming at low alt specifically (in terms of speed and climb). Turn rate is overall pretty damn accurate.
@Dorian Ferguson A bit of an obtuse point Dorian. It "overperforms" in the high altitude area that literally nobody uses because the maps are FAR too small for top tiers. At low altitude, it's underperforming by something like 20% off its IRL counterpart.
@@Reddsoldier Wouldn't make that much of a difference I think. It's just a plane that doesn't fit the game, a bomber hunter when there's no bombers to hunt
Snape that’s not really much of a point. The F-4 phantom was designed as an all weather interceptor and ground attacker as well, but in war thunder we see it mainly in the role of being a fighter.
they're super slow dude, dont launch them at 2km at near supersonic speeds and expect it to hit, it won't, they HAVE to be used either closer or on slow targets.
The lightning was the only aircaft ever to be able to zoom climb and intercept a U2 - and proceed to go higher than it. in 1984 a lightning also intercepted Concorde in tail chase - something that all other NATO fighters failed to do at the time, including F15.
"5 points to griphphondoor" sadly every single air rb match I have ever played has been like that, I seriously havent gotten an ace in 700h playtime. Am I a vegetable? Am I an inphant? Am I a banana? What is wrong with me? I can't phly well at all.
it wasnt a dogfighter, it was a fighter interceptor for our quick reaction alert. get into the sky as fast as possible and as high as possible, to fire missles at russian bombers. :) during test excercises it managed to weapon lock concorde, and U2. so its not all doom and gloom.
you have to relise what the lightning was designed for , it was nota dog fighter but a intercepter . designed to get to high lvl and intercept russian bombers over the north sea .
The reason why the Lighting sucks in Wt is the same reasons why RB EC failed, people are just not patient enough to play it properly are you seriously surprised that a plane made to intercept and engage at high altitudes sucks at low altitudes? you can say that it still sucks on high altitude combat, and yeah of course, if most rb maps it fights are the size of a peanut, you just simply don't have the space to engage the enemy and disengage using your Superior speed and acceleration to lose the foe and relocate to re engage, an EC map or even maybe the british channel map wouldn't be big enough for these Craft and given how fast they can fly forget hyping planes like the Tomcat or any Future high altitude interceptor in this game, because the only planes that will always fit the meta are the ones that are decent enough at low altitude battles as the playerbase push for shorter and faster matches
Elinzar Not to mention the Lightning was made to intercept nuclear bombers, not fighters. Everyone overhyped the hell out of it. It’s very good at doing its job, but it can’t do its job in War Thunder.
@@turkeyboy5543 It was a well respected plane in its day, like alot on here though, its getting bad press because it's not a low altitude dog fighter that everyone wants.
The Lightning was the only plane able to catch the U-2 Spyplane. So it climbes like hell. This is a citation from Wikipedia: In 1984, during a NATO exercise, Flt Lt Mike Hale intercepted a U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe (thought to be 66,000 feet (20,000 m)). Records show that Hale also climbed to 88,000 ft (27,000 m) in his Lightning F.3 XR749. This was not sustained level flight but a ballistic climb, in which the pilot takes the aircraft to top speed and then puts the aircraft into a climb, exchanging speed for altitude. Hale also participated in time-to-height and acceleration trials against Lockheed F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. He reports that the Lightnings won all races easily with the exception of the low-level supersonic acceleration, which was a "dead heat".[78] Lightning pilot and Chief Ex.
Ever heard of the lightning that climbed to 88,000 feet to practice an attack on a U2, was faster then said U2, and overtook Concorde when the other interceptors in the challenge couldn’t? All the same pilot to
In alot of lightning articles. They said the best climb technique will be 25-35 deg. using ur speed to climb. anything more than 45 actually slows u down. With the old mentioned techique. U can climb at 50 000 ft per minute.
The radar merely "slaves" the seeker head. It isn't really an IRCM alternative. But it sure does make for some nice shots on prop climbers or weird angle shots
I think the unequal afterburn seen behind the plane is due to the fact that the engines are not directly on top of each other, but staggered. So one has longer to the exhaust than the other.
War Thunder as a concept is amazing , with truly skilled developers, however the execution of that concept is done horribly wrong. They will add wonderful vehicles but the game play mechanics, the maps and objectives are utter garbage.
This game still has many of the same problems it did 4-5 years ago; ground forces meta has been to bum-rush and spawn camp for waaaaaaaay too long, and the BR compression is horrendous in most game modes. But as long as people still buy Premium they don't care.
Reality of the Lightning was to be launched from dispersal airfields at very short notice, short take off and exceptionally rapid climb rate (one held as a record for decades). The high speed was also used to intercept high flying Soviet Bombers. They would aim to shoot them down with guns and missiles while allowing the V Bombers to head to the USSR to drop their nuclear payload. The Lightning's were later bolsted by the Phantom 2 and Tornado in their latter years. However the Lightning still played a role in quick reaction interception until nearly the end of the cold war with a operational history of being a proven and effective asset from its appearance just after WW2 in the 50s thru it's career until just a few years before the gulf war! I believe the RAF retired them in 88. Sleek, manoeuvrable, capable and ridiculously quick. (It's near vertical take off angle is something to behold) it was known for feeling like you were riding a rocket, although given the fact that it's engines were 2 (used normally to power bombers (Vickers valiant) and Airliners (dehavilland comet)) mounted on top of each other with afterburners, a set of wings a gun and some nutter up front trying to fly the maniac! They were highly agile and aerobatic, one of the very few planes capable of interception of U2s and the SR71 - which was HIGHLY classified at the time and occured over the North sea and also capable of Mach 2+ and yes it could easily out pace concorde... Overall a magical plane and awesome bit of engineering.
Leandis Floyd or it’s meant to intercept Russia’s nuclear bombers and goals fast as “lightning” it wasn’t meant to engage or fighters, it’s an interceptor
i think they muddled the afterburner, here's why: The lightning's top engine is further back than the bottom, so the afterburner on the top should be longer and the bottom shorter, but its the opposite.
This aircraft was designed to get as high as possible as fast as possible to launch its missiles against incoming bombers. Nothing else. It was essentially a missile for carrying and launching missiles. It was basically 1950's technology and could climb faster than any other aircraft of its day, right up to 85,000 feet.
Don't forget its Red Top and Firestreak are subsonic missile, it can't even catch up a B-57 800m away if fired when both aircraft at 400km/h, if B-57 decided to do an non-defending dive.
way to fix this, increase the ceiling on warthunder games map height, introduce proper high altitude bombers. also the lightning could climb straight up with its afterburner. highest climbing plane to ever exist even now. reading up about it, at low level altitude the acceleration should be very similar if not slightly faster than the f104 starfighter.
As a "Selling point" I believe Gajin will be adding the SEPECAT Jaguar, Panvia Tornado, and some form of the Harrier before they touch the Eurofighter Typhoon and the patch will be called Tornado season :-)
Zetaris made a video stating that it's actually overperforming in more areas than it's underperforming, but this can probably be said for most planes. It underperforms with turning and speed acceleration at low altitudes if I am correct.
The asymmetcial look of the afterburner flames is because the engines are off-set. The top one is further ahead than the bottom one. You can see this on the x-ray view in the hangar.
I worked on various aspects of the EE Lightning, cant expand further as i'm bound by the official secrets act. They were designed for short range intercept missions to take out Russian Supersonic Bombers.
I know this may sound dumb but I like how it’s name being the Lightning with how you should play this aircraft. You climb and build up your strategy and then strike from the clouds like a bolt of lightning carrying a payload of missiles. That just me trying to be stupidly poetic I guess.
The fact that it can be out-climbed and out-accelerated by the MiG-21 at high altitude is a joke... The Lightning was the only aircraft to catch up with AND overtake Concorde while it was going mach 2.04... F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages and F-104s all attempted the same thing and failed... It also had a lower wing load than the Phantom, so should be able to out-turn it at subsonic speeds...
Time flies fast. You'd be surprised. And it would probably be sooner than that. More like in 3 years for *late* F-16 variants and 4 years for F-22 Raptor.
Lot's of people saying the lightning is missing some speed here or there, but the main issue is timing and compression. The reason the lightning gained such a reputation was because it's a jet designed in the 50's and was revolutionary in many aspects, breaking a lot of records and incorporating a lot of groundbreaking designs and technology, still out performing most jet's in raw power well into it's old age. Gaijin could have handled the British top tier jet's much better if they focused more on keeping balance top tier and less on greed. Of course other nations should have had jet's added at points (still a disgrace that some nations don't have mach), but in terms of Britain, i'd have gone as followed: -Lightning P1A which was a prototype, didn't have near as much power to weight, was only mach 1 and only had twin ADEN should have been added with the origional mach 1 jet's. -The SEPECAT Jaguar should have been added (for Britain and France) to round out ground strike capability. -Then the Lightning f6 should have been added with the origional Phantoms. With the Phantoms having better top end speed at altitudes that most games take place, and access to much more armament, but the lightning having the edge with acceleration, turning and missiles that are more deadly if radar lock is achieved, but limited to 2, it would be a much more even fight. -Then finally the FGR, which still out accelerates and climbs the Phantom e's, and has flares, but less armament and worse turning should have been added the patch just gone. -As premiums, the Hunter FGA9 was a good choice, no complaints there, they could also add the Lightning P1B at some point as a premium, which was the last prototype that improved on the P1A by adding in better engines, a radar and a ventral pack that could either fit two more cannon, two retractable rocket packs or two Firestreak missiles. And if they're feeling generous in the future and want to add something paper, they could add the variable sweep wing Sea lightning... I can dream. That way, instead of leapfrogging nations between who's better, and disappointing everyone when the most highly anticipated jet for their nation under performs, Britain would have remained balanced, but with their own play style, and the lightning would have had a chance to shine at the things it was known for.
Yes the lightening may have a better sustained turn rate due to massive energy loss when turning however, the F4 has a way better first turn at 800kmh+ and in jet combat apart from the draken sustained turn fighting means absolutely nothing
I feel like it acts like its name suggests. It comes soaring out of the clouds and strikes its enemies down like a bolt of lightning with the speed to match. So fast that your prey is unable to react.
Thanks for trying, The EE Lightning in WT sucks, the real thing now that's a different story. Ah well, back to the virtual drawing board. Just wait till the Brits get the Harrier :) Just know it won't be as good as the US version :/
@@yatokami7907 I'm guessing you haven't actually seen one in real life, because spectacular is the one word you would use when you see one take off. Long-range, no. Effective, only as a high altitude interceptor and admittedly nothing else Fast, in a climb SPECTACULAR. Definitely :)
@@southernbear736 Spent 4yrs working on an RAF airbase in Germany, alongside F4-M's (FGR2) and GR7's. The only time that I ever saw people rushing out to watch an aircraft take off, was when the last Flying Lightning in Europe, visited the airfield. (I think it was going to South Africa as the CAA wouldn't allow it to fly in the UK) The sound of the Afterburner, alone made it an amazing aircraft to watch, eclipsing anything the Phantoms could do, and the near-vertical climb once it cleared the runway made the Harriers attempt look futile ;)
@@wyverncoch4430 well sure...its a unique design...the engines are stacked rather then side by side...but statistically she became obsolete once the F-4 came into active service with the RAF and FAA
Cyberboi He's probably fine with it cause he doesn't play British stuff, nearly everyone Ive seen defending gaijin doesn't play British stuff, instead they play American or Russian stuff which hardly ever has a shit underpowered vehicle so they don't care.
@@kieranwilliams5148 Yeah, the only people who are fine with this are most likely the pathetic part of the playerbase which are just happy to have another incredibly underperforming vehicle they can club.
Exactly, people are selfish and as long as they have the OP vehicle then they couldn't care. I bet if everything was flipped round tomorrow and the British were OP while America and Russia were underpowered then Kenny would be saying the same as us.
After some research I've found the reason the Electric Lightning turns so slow. This is due to the fact that the Lightning was simply not designed for fighter to fighter combat it was a design to counter the suspected Soviet supersonic nuclear bombers during the cold war these are the reasons it climbs so well (to reach bombing altitude) and so fast but turns slowly and is slow at low altitude as it is only real designed for high altitude combat. It apparently serve well as a ground strike fighter though being capable of these "boom and zoom tactics" using it's combination of high speed and fast rate of climb to make it difficult to target.
This aircraft was able to take off and then climb straight up to just outside the earths atmosphere. The aircraft is still flying in south Africa and you can if u have the money take a trip in one. This was designed to intercept Russian bombers which could fly higher than fighters of this period.
The problem is that the lighting was an interceptor not a fighter. It main roll was for intercept incoming USSR planes at high altitude. Not low level dog fighting like you see in WT.
BAC Lightning is sorta an example of why there have been basically no gun kills of fixed wing aircraft by another fixed wing aircraft since the end of Vietnam. Planes are too fast and have missiles that can hit from so far away that guns are practically useless for air to air combat.
The real lighting was capable of from takeoff to 50,000 feet without leaving the length of the runway. When introduced into service it was the only aircraft that could constantly climb in the verticals. Today the F15 can do as well not sure about any other aircraft.
The thing is, boom and zoom doesn't work in top tier jets because even if someone is slower than you, if you burn too much energy zooming back up, people can just nose up and fire a missile and you don't have the energy to dodge it.
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Dear Phloppy Whoppy, knowledge you might want. So there is this new menu in war thunder which has radio layout and you can access it by pressing Y. I hope it helps :).
You got enough links there?
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''you just want to get as high possible''
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The "REDUCE SPEED" indicator is a lie. You can actually reach a much higher speed before your plane starts disintegrating. You'll know that you're close to breaking point when your plane starts making weird noises and your speed indicator turns red. Ignore the "REDUCE SPEED" indicator.
TheCodeOfReality so uneducated
Your username makes me sick
Reduce speeds still bloody annoying XD
TheCodeOfReality it’s the ultimate 2016 username pack
And the j/A 21R should be able to go beyond 800kph without losing it wings just start to flutter and become harder to control.
The Lightening was brilliant for what it was designed for, outer UK radar spots Russian nuclear bombers at very high altitude, the plane could take off and climb to intercept before bomber could drop payload anywhere on the UK...…………...It was never really designed to do anything else hence the low amount of ordnance, it had one job, destroy high altitude Bear bombers.
Which is why I thought it was very weird it was going to be added to WH as it doesn't fit in with how people play the game.
Ex Armourer, RAF Leuchars oh and it was a bloody nightmare to work on and maintain the dam thing was also toxic in every possible way even worse than Soviet aircraft of the era and they really didn't care about their ground crews LOL.
Kruler-WestOz- Nauman yeah but they need to make its climb rate higher, it was literally a rocket from takeoff
Hot Shadow - I agree, I've seen videos of them going almost vertical from takeoff.
It was probably added because the community wouldn't stop bitching about it. Just about proves how little the community knows about stuff they keep crying for so much.
I think it still holds the record for being able to break the sound barrier in a vertical climb
You worked on Lightnings? Cool, which ones did you work on? I'm currently assigned to an F.53, basically an F.6 with minor modifications, not worth noting.
The difference in after burner length is actually due to engine placement, the top engine is placed further forward in the fuselage than the bottom engine, so more of the burner trail is hidden in the aircraft. I believe this was to help balance the centre of mass.
The problem is the lighting underperforms at low altitudes and overpeforms at high altitudes relative to it's real life stats
seen that same comment on another video. zetaris video.
It barely overperforms at high altitude, meanwhile the Mig 21MF is climbing almost twice as good as it should
Despite what Zetaris says, the only thing overperforming is the turn performance.
The flight model is MASSIVELY underperforming in acceleration, climb, ceiling, and speed at altitude. It can't even get close to its historical ceiling, or acceleration/ climb at altitude.
@@AllThingsCubey source for that is? Atleast Zetaris had official source aka Lightning F.6 manual.
@@KoteDarasuum Erm... source being that if you take it out in War Thunder, it can't even reach its top speed or ceiling. It gets outperformed in acceleration by aircraft which historically had lower performance, and it locks up and rips when being pushed much above mach 1 at medium altitudes which is supported by absolutely nothing.
When the most productive thing you can do is to just go AFK with the nose up
Kun Feng That’s air realistic battles in a nutshell though. I have no idea how people can stand to play planes.
It is relaxing. Turn down the game sounds, put on some music or audio book, watch the views (the game is very obviously best looking in this mode), and sprinkle in some action when it happens. Super chill compared to ground battles in my experience.
Andrzej Sawicki yeah a lot of us pilots like to make it into an art of sorts lol
@@Bright_Stranger Two words. Silver. Lions.
@@Bright_Stranger
Everything that @Andrzej Sawicki said plus the thrill of a (supersonic!) dogfight is something special ya know?
The Brits seem to be suffering from that a lot. Having a lot of vehicles that don't quite fit the meta.
I mean, they should add something that isnt either a quirky famously bad plane (like the Javelin) or a full on interceptor like the Lightning, they will be fine once they get the Tornado
@@therealmp40 Panavia doesn't give licenses, we'll never see the Tornado in game. All that is left in the foreseeable future for Britain is the Harrier and Jaguar. That's it.
@@Panzerzwerg wait, they need the license to put vehicles in the game?
You mean hilariously badly implemented in the game most of them. If the brits get something it will be a broken mess and never be fixed ever. (Challenger 1 and 2, Striker, and on and on and on)
@@Panzerzwerg just name it something different and it's fine, just like cod does
17:14 I love how Phly just gave up censoring lol
I prefer his Videos where he cusses, like in his old Videos, its just real, its him , i feel closer to him (no homo), today when i watch his Videos i feel like his audience is ten years old with all the censorship.
Why would it need censoring ? He said: "Thing's phucking boring to play."
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Daniel Novotný God phucking damn, how did I not realise that?!
Back in the late 70s I was lucky enough to attend an airshow somewhere in Cornwall.
We arrived a bit late and we're walking to the airport when people started pointing back, behind us.
At very low altitude we spotted the lightning approaching fast and then pull up vertically overhead under full power.
I have never seen or heard anything like it before or since!
We had to cover our ears and the ground literally shook!
I will never forget it (nor the Red Arrows and spitfire)
One of the engine is located closer to the front of the plane thus the burner flame seems to be shorter, dunno if gaijin modeled it right when it comes to engine placement tho
the more front engine produces a longer flame than the engine closer to the back...
yep. the lightning had it´s engines offset so they could be moved further towards the center to reduce drag
What does gaijin ever get right?
Gaijin got the flame lengths the wrong way around..... At least they didn’t get the ailerons wrong this time *glares at Javelin.*
the lightning be THICCER then a bowl of oatmeal
not as thicc as badlands chigs
And thiccer than your turret cheeks
And thicker than a Churchill, not that i would know the effective thickness of a Churchill or anything!
@@m3lee699 not as thicc as a mouse
@@marjiarani4802 i hate mice, you'd think its worse form is as vermin.
But next thing you know you have a almost 100 ton beast that uses a 75mm gun AS A SECONDARY?
I think with the new sound effects, we need a revisit of the Halifax Chad bombing Crew aka carpet bombing in tank RB.
Fun fact the EE Lightning was the first fighter capable of "Supercruise" which is to cruise at supersonic speeds without afterburner
The lightning looks like a cucumber
yummmm
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Yuuummmyyyu yuummyy
Or a fat pickle. I mean, a PHAT pickle.
Having the electric lightning without any top tier jet bombers is like having the do 335 without any rank 3 or 4 bombers
For real i see no issue with adding the bigger bombers not that things like the lighting and F-4 are in the game...ive always wanted a B-36
Phly: "Warthunder does this on purpose though. Ppl who've been playing for more than 5 months can kinda grasp it. Its a selling point really" Me: "British jets aren't allowed to be good?"
Gaijin hates Britain. The last thing they gave Britain that turned out ridiculously good for some odd reason was the hornet mk III, or maybe the hunter f6 because of the missiles lol
@@wetzel1628 here it is again, gaijin hates [insert nation you are biased about]
@@matyasdivis2075 hunter f6 is fine and the fgr.2 is fine but i cant trust gaijin anymore after the lightning release, they proceed call everyone that said the lightning need a buff "britbongs" and said the lightning is overperforming. When a day later zetaris comes out with a video showing how its more underperforming than over.......they even refused to accept that their model is wrong....kinda hard to not say they hate Britain
Ahappyteddybear it’s also weird because in the early stages of the game everything Britain had was absurdly powerful for one reason or another. But now most of everything new for the British is garbage. look no further than the fleet air arm line. And things that were good before hand have been considerably nerfed (tempests and spitfires). Not to say EVERY British plane is garbage, but they do not compete well with what they are up against right now, and most British aircraft require a good pilot to do well in
Britain has a superiority complex ever since they went from owning half the world to being stuck on an island the size of New York, and they like to routinely overestimate the capability of their own domestic vehicles.
10:12 "We gotta build up some serious airspeed though here."
2x Rolls Royce Avon Engines: Yes.
Reason why it was so over-talked is for 3 main reasons bellow:
1. It was the vehicle people asked for to be Britains rival to the Super Sabre and MiG-19 and what ever other vehicle that may be added around it. It is a '50s plane after all. So it would've fit well then/ at those BR's.
2. Gaijin did confirm it'll be released but it is "too good" for the current top tier; which a reminder is F-4C Phantoms and MiG-21's. This strikes me as odd as the phantom replaced the lightning but I digress.
3. People misquoting a pilots letter about the Lightning being "better than an F-15'. It was more enjoyable to fly- not superior in performance.
Overall. We have the 3 horsemen that slapped us when this thing got added and like I said on the Phantoms dev blog that now only the Lightning F.7 or Sea Lightning (both never built) can be the only ones to compete.
@IvoryJedi mayhaps be a specific squadron or faulty memory on that one. My bad.
3:58 "Turns really well at 700km/h", "OVERLOAD 7G", meanwhile every other planes turns at 10 or 11G...
Gaijin's ability to add an amazIng vehicle and make it complete and utter garbage is truly mind-boggling.
It's amazing they haven't flagged Phly for nudity yet
@Dorian Ferguson overperforming at high alt and underperforming at low alt specifically (in terms of speed and climb). Turn rate is overall pretty damn accurate.
@Dorian Ferguson A bit of an obtuse point Dorian. It "overperforms" in the high altitude area that literally nobody uses because the maps are FAR too small for top tiers.
At low altitude, it's underperforming by something like 20% off its IRL counterpart.
@@Reddsoldier Wouldn't make that much of a difference I think. It's just a plane that doesn't fit the game, a bomber hunter when there's no bombers to hunt
ppl said this plane was better than the f15. is it better than the f22 as well?
Snape that’s not really much of a point. The F-4 phantom was designed as an all weather interceptor and ground attacker as well, but in war thunder we see it mainly in the role of being a fighter.
Hey Phly! It's been 5 YEARS since you've taken out the m41a1, give that puppy some Luv!
Try NUMBER 34! I will love you forever
Number 34?
@@KiwiSack yessir! not all my comments appear high in the comments, my best is almost at 200 likes on his newest phantom video
One thing is strange. My RED TOP's dont work like the Phly RED TOP's
Hmm... Really strange. My RED TOP's fuel end when i launch at 2km
buy premium account.)
they're super slow dude, dont launch them at 2km at near supersonic speeds and expect it to hit, it won't, they HAVE to be used either closer or on slow targets.
@@evangalinsky2499 why does the stat card say 1300m/s then
Also depends on your energy at launch. If you're higher than the target, faster than the target, a missile should have a better time.
@@Chase-Man exactly. Im the card say 1300m/s
The lightning was the only aircaft ever to be able to zoom climb and intercept a U2 - and proceed to go higher than it. in 1984 a lightning also intercepted Concorde in tail chase - something that all other NATO fighters failed to do at the time, including F15.
Phly just dropped his flaps when going Mach 1 and seemed surprised when they were ripped off 😂
"5 points to griphphondoor" sadly every single air rb match I have ever played has been like that, I seriously havent gotten an ace in 700h playtime. Am I a vegetable? Am I an inphant? Am I a banana? What is wrong with me? I can't phly well at all.
I feel your pain
Buy P-59, then you will get 5 kill every game)))
9:55 'It's like an interceptor dude' I mean, I hate to break it to you but that is what the plane was designed to be 🤷🏼♂️
it wasnt a dogfighter, it was a fighter interceptor for our quick reaction alert. get into the sky as fast as possible and as high as possible, to fire missles at russian bombers. :) during test excercises it managed to weapon lock concorde, and U2. so its not all doom and gloom.
88,000 feet!!
My Ph levels have been off lately. Luckily this video restored them.
L. O. L.
Lol
Lol
Yee
8:28 Kaiser here is showing who is the real high altitude interceptor.
Thats exactly what i was thinking .. HiGh AlTitudE InTeRcEpToR ... yeah meanwhile there are 2 MiG19 on similar altitude in much faster time
8:24: *phly goes into map*
Phly: 'let's just cut that out'
Guy in the chat: 'Covid-19 is fake'
RUclips:' You cannot escape me'
you have to relise what the lightning was designed for , it was nota dog fighter but a intercepter . designed to get to high lvl and intercept russian bombers over the north sea .
The reason why the Lighting sucks in Wt is the same reasons why RB EC failed, people are just not patient enough to play it properly
are you seriously surprised that a plane made to intercept and engage at high altitudes sucks at low altitudes?
you can say that it still sucks on high altitude combat, and yeah of course, if most rb maps it fights are the size of a peanut, you just simply don't have the space to engage the enemy and disengage using your Superior speed and acceleration to lose the foe and relocate to re engage, an EC map or even maybe the british channel map wouldn't be big enough for these Craft and given how fast they can fly
forget hyping planes like the Tomcat or any Future high altitude interceptor in this game, because the only planes that will always fit the meta are the ones that are decent enough at low altitude battles as the playerbase push for shorter and faster matches
Elinzar Not to mention the Lightning was made to intercept nuclear bombers, not fighters. Everyone overhyped the hell out of it. It’s very good at doing its job, but it can’t do its job in War Thunder.
@@turkeyboy5543 It was a well respected plane in its day, like alot on here though, its getting bad press because it's not a low altitude dog fighter that everyone wants.
The Lightning was the only plane able to catch the U-2 Spyplane. So it climbes like hell. This is a citation from Wikipedia:
In 1984, during a NATO exercise, Flt Lt Mike Hale intercepted a U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe (thought to be 66,000 feet (20,000 m)). Records show that Hale also climbed to 88,000 ft (27,000 m) in his Lightning F.3 XR749. This was not sustained level flight but a ballistic climb, in which the pilot takes the aircraft to top speed and then puts the aircraft into a climb, exchanging speed for altitude. Hale also participated in time-to-height and acceleration trials against Lockheed F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. He reports that the Lightnings won all races easily with the exception of the low-level supersonic acceleration, which was a "dead heat".[78] Lightning pilot and Chief Ex.
8:24 I think it might be because the bottom engine is placed farther back than the top engine.
Yup. Engines where staggered so as to avoid too much weight in the rear.
I think it would have caused issues on takeoff otherwise.
Phly the reason why the bottom engine has more of an afterburner is because , it is so there is a natural pitch up.
14:30 Welp, there we have it. Phly was outplayed by Corona
The lightning's clime rate and acceleration needs a buff, plus it should go quicker at low altitude
"overload 7g" I see warthunder is back on it's bullshit with british planes, meanwhile migs can turn whatever g's they desire
Ever heard of the lightning that climbed to 88,000 feet to practice an attack on a U2, was faster then said U2, and overtook Concorde when the other interceptors in the challenge couldn’t? All the same pilot to
When will gaijin add new jet bombers? They just keep adding useless helis lol
We need the B-52 in WarThunder
Helis are arguably more useful then new bombers
@@Katniss218 Thats what I keep saying but no one listens.... we already have jets that can shoot a bomber from a mile away so why not.
@@patriotic-panda I beg to differ
Yeah, make jets afking simulator too
In alot of lightning articles. They said the best climb technique will be 25-35 deg. using ur speed to climb. anything more than 45 actually slows u down. With the old mentioned techique. U can climb at 50 000 ft per minute.
Not in WT since it's underperforming by 20% at low altitude
A way to try and overcome flares is by locking on planes on the radar, cause the missiles are controlled by the radar and IR signature.
Yes but, certainly I'm not the only person who has issues picking on with plane radar
The radar merely "slaves" the seeker head. It isn't really an IRCM alternative. But it sure does make for some nice shots on prop climbers or weird angle shots
Great if the radar ever worked when you needed it.
@@piscessoedroen it's like missiles, they always seem to prioritise locking on to allies. Even if the enemy is closer
I think the unequal afterburn seen behind the plane is due to the fact that the engines are not directly on top of each other, but staggered. So one has longer to the exhaust than the other.
War Thunder as a concept is amazing , with truly skilled developers, however the execution of that concept is done horribly wrong. They will add wonderful vehicles but the game play mechanics, the maps and objectives are utter garbage.
They'd rather spend money on dancing exotic girls to promote the broken shit game instead of using said money to fix and change it for the better.
This game still has many of the same problems it did 4-5 years ago; ground forces meta has been to bum-rush and spawn camp for waaaaaaaay too long, and the BR compression is horrendous in most game modes. But as long as people still buy Premium they don't care.
Pale Horseman As a casual Air AB player, I disagree. (Though I did not play 4-5 years ago)
@@adamngaykoala3048 link pls giggidy
Reality of the Lightning was to be launched from dispersal airfields at very short notice, short take off and exceptionally rapid climb rate (one held as a record for decades). The high speed was also used to intercept high flying Soviet Bombers. They would aim to shoot them down with guns and missiles while allowing the V Bombers to head to the USSR to drop their nuclear payload. The Lightning's were later bolsted by the Phantom 2 and Tornado in their latter years. However the Lightning still played a role in quick reaction interception until nearly the end of the cold war with a operational history of being a proven and effective asset from its appearance just after WW2 in the 50s thru it's career until just a few years before the gulf war! I believe the RAF retired them in 88. Sleek, manoeuvrable, capable and ridiculously quick. (It's near vertical take off angle is something to behold) it was known for feeling like you were riding a rocket, although given the fact that it's engines were 2 (used normally to power bombers (Vickers valiant) and Airliners (dehavilland comet)) mounted on top of each other with afterburners, a set of wings a gun and some nutter up front trying to fly the maniac! They were highly agile and aerobatic, one of the very few planes capable of interception of U2s and the SR71 - which was HIGHLY classified at the time and occured over the North sea and also capable of Mach 2+ and yes it could easily out pace concorde... Overall a magical plane and awesome bit of engineering.
Hence the name "Lightning" it's supposed to come from the clouds and strike on a targets :)
Leandis Floyd or it’s meant to intercept Russia’s nuclear bombers and goals fast as “lightning” it wasn’t meant to engage or fighters, it’s an interceptor
i think they muddled the afterburner, here's why:
The lightning's top engine is further back than the bottom, so the afterburner on the top should be longer and the bottom shorter, but its the opposite.
I played this game for 5 years and im still waiting for the sturmtiger
Enjoy your minute long reload
@@willdyer9688 the Kv2 without a loader already meets that lol. Besides, i think a bathtub with a bomb load would take a little longer than a minute.
This aircraft was designed to get as high as possible as fast as possible to launch its missiles against incoming bombers. Nothing else. It was essentially a missile for carrying and launching missiles. It was basically 1950's technology and could climb faster than any other aircraft of its day, right up to 85,000 feet.
New challenge Phly: Play the hs 129 b3 "Quack" in air battles, 75mm kills only
Attempt #48
Don't forget its Red Top and Firestreak are subsonic missile, it can't even catch up a B-57 800m away if fired when both aircraft at 400km/h, if B-57 decided to do an non-defending dive.
BnZ doenst exist at this high of BR, missiles and other planes with burners completely negate what ever potential energy you have
way to fix this, increase the ceiling on warthunder games map height, introduce proper high altitude bombers.
also the lightning could climb straight up with its afterburner. highest climbing plane to ever exist even now.
reading up about it, at low level altitude the acceleration should be very similar if not slightly faster than the f104 starfighter.
Phly perfectly summed up British vehicles in once sentence "it just doesn't fit the meta"
As a "Selling point" I believe Gajin will be adding the SEPECAT Jaguar, Panvia Tornado, and some form of the Harrier before they touch the Eurofighter Typhoon and the patch will be called Tornado season :-)
Zetaris made a video stating that it's actually overperforming in more areas than it's underperforming, but this can probably be said for most planes. It underperforms with turning and speed acceleration at low altitudes if I am correct.
The asymmetcial look of the afterburner flames is because the engines are off-set. The top one is further ahead than the bottom one. You can see this on the x-ray view in the hangar.
7:57 7000 Km alt! tHeY fIxEd It BoIsSsSs
Can we just take a second to appreciate how beautiful that reversal was? I mean holy crap, that was sexy
The new planes aren't really a selling point for me.
A dude with ~ 650 hours and stuck on Germany with Rank V planes and rank II - III tanks.
I have rank III-IV tanks with rank II planes with 650 hours lmao
Brother?
Now that WT has the Lightning, J35, and F-4, they need to add the F-8 Crusader!
We need more dcs
I worked on various aspects of the EE Lightning, cant expand further as i'm bound by the official secrets act. They were designed for short range intercept missions to take out Russian Supersonic Bombers.
This is a lazy model. One big give away is the 'take off flaps'. Lightning flaps were either up or down. No in between.
I know this may sound dumb but I like how it’s name being the Lightning with how you should play this aircraft. You climb and build up your strategy and then strike from the clouds like a bolt of lightning carrying a payload of missiles. That just me trying to be stupidly poetic I guess.
Attempt #3
A26B-50
Fourteen .50 cals
Lets get Phly to play this out
Or the twin mustang with the gun pod
@@joshbyram He did that already.
Misled. Mislead is the act. Misled is what happened. Anyway, awesome video. Keep up the great work, Phly.
PhyI I know you're busy testing out new stuff but remember to try the m42 Italian meatball launcher attempt #9
The exhaust shock cones are different lengths because the engines are staggered vertically. The bottom one is slightly behind the top one.
In real life the lightning could get to 30000 feet in 90 seconds. Can it do this in-game? NO.
That’s what I was thinking… I didn’t know why he was only climbing at 15 degrees when the lightning could do a Mach 1 vertical climb!
You can display IAS AND TAS at the same time
The fact that it can be out-climbed and out-accelerated by the MiG-21 at high altitude is a joke... The Lightning was the only aircraft to catch up with AND overtake Concorde while it was going mach 2.04... F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages and F-104s all attempted the same thing and failed... It also had a lower wing load than the Phantom, so should be able to out-turn it at subsonic speeds...
Harvey Dole Yeah but the mig 21s are overperforming and gaijin wont let anyone see the flight manuals
Colour me surprised, gaijin introducing a plane with broken flight model, never seen before
Well its actually over performing at high altitude lol, check zetaris's video.
The Lightning is overperforming at altitude, it underperforms at low alt but not by that much
Space Tomato But underperforming at low alt.
It's really cool watching the Phlyman making it happen with a difficult aircraft!
I have a prediction in 2 or 3 years war thunder will have the first 21st-century machine in it.
Type 16 from 2016
M1A2 in game is also a SEP. There's a cooling unit in the bustle rack that wasn't added till the SEP series.
That's a relatively new package.
@@shirghazaycowboys too bad they nerfed the abrams to fuck that the ammo blow out panels at the back of the turret don't exist
Such a legendary jet pretty sure all of the UK loves it been my Favorit jet since I was a kid
PhlyDaily! Play the f16 with the aim 9x missiles! When it comes out in the next 5-6 years :/
The KA52 has R73 Archers in real life. LOL
Time flies fast. You'd be surprised.
And it would probably be sooner than that. More like in 3 years for *late* F-16 variants and 4 years for F-22 Raptor.
Just like the chally 2 they have dialed this thing way back
*"iT cOuLd oUtPeRfOrM f-15'S aT aLtItUdE"*
Lot's of people saying the lightning is missing some speed here or there, but the main issue is timing and compression. The reason the lightning gained such a reputation was because it's a jet designed in the 50's and was revolutionary in many aspects, breaking a lot of records and incorporating a lot of groundbreaking designs and technology, still out performing most jet's in raw power well into it's old age.
Gaijin could have handled the British top tier jet's much better if they focused more on keeping balance top tier and less on greed. Of course other nations should have had jet's added at points (still a disgrace that some nations don't have mach), but in terms of Britain, i'd have gone as followed:
-Lightning P1A which was a prototype, didn't have near as much power to weight, was only mach 1 and only had twin ADEN should have been added with the origional mach 1 jet's.
-The SEPECAT Jaguar should have been added (for Britain and France) to round out ground strike capability.
-Then the Lightning f6 should have been added with the origional Phantoms. With the Phantoms having better top end speed at altitudes that most games take place, and access to much more armament, but the lightning having the edge with acceleration, turning and missiles that are more deadly if radar lock is achieved, but limited to 2, it would be a much more even fight.
-Then finally the FGR, which still out accelerates and climbs the Phantom e's, and has flares, but less armament and worse turning should have been added the patch just gone.
-As premiums, the Hunter FGA9 was a good choice, no complaints there, they could also add the Lightning P1B at some point as a premium, which was the last prototype that improved on the P1A by adding in better engines, a radar and a ventral pack that could either fit two more cannon, two retractable rocket packs or two Firestreak missiles. And if they're feeling generous in the future and want to add something paper, they could add the variable sweep wing Sea lightning... I can dream.
That way, instead of leapfrogging nations between who's better, and disappointing everyone when the most highly anticipated jet for their nation under performs, Britain would have remained balanced, but with their own play style, and the lightning would have had a chance to shine at the things it was known for.
Hey phly the lightning actually has a better turn rate than the f4
not 1000khm a plus
Yes the lightening may have a better sustained turn rate due to massive energy loss when turning however, the F4 has a way better first turn at 800kmh+ and in jet combat apart from the draken sustained turn fighting means absolutely nothing
My gran's mobility scooter has a better turn rate than the F-4.
Unnamed probably would yeah
I feel like it acts like its name suggests. It comes soaring out of the clouds and strikes its enemies down like a bolt of lightning with the speed to match. So fast that your prey is unable to react.
Thanks for trying, The EE Lightning in WT sucks, the real thing now that's a different story.
Ah well, back to the virtual drawing board.
Just wait till the Brits get the Harrier :)
Just know it won't be as good as the US version :/
The real thing got replaced by the FGR2
The real thing wasn't as spectacular as it's made out to be either
@@yatokami7907 I'm guessing you haven't actually seen one in real life, because spectacular is the one word you would use when you see one take off.
Long-range, no.
Effective, only as a high altitude interceptor and admittedly nothing else
Fast, in a climb
SPECTACULAR. Definitely :)
@@southernbear736 Spent 4yrs working on an RAF airbase in Germany, alongside F4-M's (FGR2) and GR7's. The only time that I ever saw people rushing out to watch an aircraft take off, was when the last Flying Lightning in Europe, visited the airfield. (I think it was going to South Africa as the CAA wouldn't allow it to fly in the UK)
The sound of the Afterburner, alone made it an amazing aircraft to watch, eclipsing anything the Phantoms could do, and the near-vertical climb once it cleared the runway made the Harriers attempt look futile ;)
@@wyverncoch4430 well sure...its a unique design...the engines are stacked rather then side by side...but statistically she became obsolete once the F-4 came into active service with the RAF and FAA
the feeling when you shoot a rocket and those big thicc red words come up is awesome
The fact they gave it the Javelin treatment just adds to my want to uninstall the game...
Then uninstall and quit complaining to people who don't care
@@kennybewley2191 Hey I'm just joining everyone else who's pissed off at gaijin. So you're fine with this?
Cyberboi He's probably fine with it cause he doesn't play British stuff, nearly everyone Ive seen defending gaijin doesn't play British stuff, instead they play American or Russian stuff which hardly ever has a shit underpowered vehicle so they don't care.
@@kieranwilliams5148 Yeah, the only people who are fine with this are most likely the pathetic part of the playerbase which are just happy to have another incredibly underperforming vehicle they can club.
Exactly, people are selfish and as long as they have the OP vehicle then they couldn't care. I bet if everything was flipped round tomorrow and the British were OP while America and Russia were underpowered then Kenny would be saying the same as us.
5 points for gryffindor
, that's It! you made my day.
This thing is beautiful what are you talking about? It’s just fat...
That's not fat, it's a power belly.
God the "Usually on my stream I get clapped" cut sent me.
Hello could you play Venom FB.4 ?
But play it stock xD
I gave up on that thing
God is suck at its br
@@bartlamshane true so we need him to teach us
After some research I've found the reason the Electric Lightning turns so slow. This is due to the fact that the Lightning was simply not designed for fighter to fighter combat it was a design to counter the suspected Soviet supersonic nuclear bombers during the cold war these are the reasons it climbs so well (to reach bombing altitude) and so fast but turns slowly and is slow at low altitude as it is only real designed for high altitude combat. It apparently serve well as a ground strike fighter though being capable of these "boom and zoom tactics" using it's combination of high speed and fast rate of climb to make it difficult to target.
It's also because the flight model is wrong for altitudes below 5k
Play the ASU-57 and ASU-85's dad, The SU-122-54.
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Attempt #49
This aircraft was able to take off and then climb straight up to just outside the earths atmosphere.
The aircraft is still flying in south Africa and you can if u have the money take a trip in one. This was designed to intercept Russian bombers which could fly higher than fighters of this period.
this thing was made in the 50s right so the fact it can fight against late 20th century vic's is a testament to how good it is
Doesn't help that the Lightning is directly competing with aircraft 10-15 years younger than it like the F4 FGR and EJ or MiG-21 SMT
The problem is that the lighting was an interceptor not a fighter. It main roll was for intercept incoming USSR planes at high altitude. Not low level dog fighting like you see in WT.
BAC Lightning is sorta an example of why there have been basically no gun kills of fixed wing aircraft by another fixed wing aircraft since the end of Vietnam. Planes are too fast and have missiles that can hit from so far away that guns are practically useless for air to air combat.
The AB difference is due to the Engines are not level with each other and the upper one sits in front of the lower one.
The real lighting was capable of from takeoff to 50,000 feet without leaving the length of the runway. When introduced into service it was the only aircraft that could constantly climb in the verticals. Today the F15 can do as well not sure about any other aircraft.
Such an unfortunate situation for Britain's first homegrown supersonic aircraft. Loved that first missile kill, though!
The thing is, boom and zoom doesn't work in top tier jets because even if someone is slower than you, if you burn too much energy zooming back up, people can just nose up and fire a missile and you don't have the energy to dodge it.