How many of you folks are on the carnivore diet? I've been on it for 10 months and it's a massive gamechanger! I am having an incredible amount of success and want to know who else is doing it.
53 years old. Been regular to the gym (5 x week) for 3 years. I've been on it for 2 months and personal bests at the gym are falling daily. And by falling I mean rising lol.
Tried and got absolutely disgusted eating meat every single day, really not an option for me. Same as we are not natural vegans, we aren´t natural carnivores either, but omnivores. All diets that focus on eating just one kind of food are just glorified eating disorders.
I'm 50yo, I've been ketovore for 2 years. The only non-animal product I eat is a cup of romaine lettuce with my ribeye steak. This helps with not having a gall bladder. I workout everyday and twice a day on weekends. Couldn't do that when I was a carb eater.
"Consuming meat regularly can reduce the risk of early death and increase longevity, according to a study led by University of Adelaide scientists of more than 218,000 adults from more than 50 countries around the world. The researchers found that the consumption of energy from carbohydrate crops (grains and tubers) does not lead to greater life expectancy, and that total meat consumption correlates to greater life expectancy, independent of the competing effects of total calories intake, economic affluence, urban advantages and obesity. Dr Wenpeng You, researcher in biomedicine, says humans have evolved and thrived over millions of years because of their significant consumption of meat." Total Meat Intake is Associated with Life Expectancy: A Cross-Sectional Data Analysis of 175 Contemporary Populations
@GhostRider-ce3eb You're disregarding all the antinutrients in plants. They also tend to come with a lot of carbs, and they're loaded with carcinogens(nothing in the produce section has less than 60 different carcinogens!) Not to mention lack the low/low quality fat.
And yet, isn’t it interesting that the healthiest and longest-lived population in the world right now are the Adventist vegans? You’d think they’d be the most diseased. Hm…
@GhostRider-ce3eb Plants are sentient and feel pain too. Also the aggriculture to produce the plant based foods kills more animals than animal husbandry for food does, and often in a lot more pain. Modern western slaughter is painless, dying from poisons or starvation, not so much. Meat is more ethical as a food source. It's also much better for you.
I went from keto/carnivore to full blown meat eater 3 weeks ago. I feel no different, was feeling great anyway and my bloodwork was normal, but my weight is slowly dropping, around a pound a week. I keep impressing my young family doctor and he says I’m the healthiest 58 year old he has as patients. He says he has a lot of people half my age that are grossly unhealthy.
carnivore ruined quite a few of us, and they refuse to ignore it lol A balanced diet of high protein from animal sources, raw veg, raw fruit, and seeds is ideal.
I never stopped eating meat and eggs and I'm in my 60s and in good health, nothing wrong with me. No reason to change. Slightly higher cholesterol doesn't bother me. Both my parents in perfect health at 90 I just eat like them.
I do feel and function better with animal protein (organic beef, eggs, etc.) than with plant proteins. Bread, ice cream, and pizza slows me down a great deal, so I usually stay away from these foods.
There's a man whom I've known for more than 30 years, he was always skinny and dried. I saw him recently and he looked better than ever, fresh and tight in face, even his hair was different. I asked him what is it about, andh e told me that he quit gluten and started taking protein supplements.
I've been hearing a lot of people recently harping on the importance of protein. I've led a more vegan lifestyle in my 20s, and my health plummeted in many veins. I think as you hinted I had gastrointestinal problems with plant protein as well as hormonal disruption. I believe it was the soy as well as lack of protein and dairy/meat in my prime menstruating years. I do wonder is there a difference between plant protein preference in the menopausal years vs. menstruating years for women. Pregnancy has extremely high protein requirements, but I wonder in menopause. As you mentioned, when you are trying to achieve high protein, it is extremely hard with plant protein especially for someone of a low volume such as me. I'm not sure how I could meet the required protein intake in pregnancy without cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, meat, and fish, etc.
you can't meet the Dha needs of a developing baby if you are vegan without supplementation. you can't meet your iron needs. You can't meet your B12 needs. It's just not a good diet for pregnant women. My one vegan experience saw me in hospital with blood transfusion and then again with two iron infusions as my haemoglobin was so low (pencil cells) etc. not a good diet for women, brains or bones.
Indeed! Nutrients-dense foods is where it’s at. And whole plants foods are manifold more nutrient-dense than animal foods. Overall, they supply optimal amounts of vitamins, minerals, fiber, protein, phytonutrients, etc. Animal foods have no fiber and no phytonutrients. This is partly what makes them less nutrient-dense. So, if nutrient density is important to you (and it should be, if health and longevity matter to you), the more plant foods displace animal foods, the better.
My mother always said vegetarians cannot get some essential amino acids. Usually when I mention this it causes an uproar but maybe it's a valid statement.
@@ChadRDthey will be lacking other nutrients too primarily iron making them more prone to anemia over time and even faster for non menopausal woman since we loose blood every month
once again, no study population can be extrapolated to your risk of anything. self reporting every two years, is not a kind of study I'd base any dietary change on. Anyone eating 50g of protein a day from plants is in a deficiency.
do you read any of John Mandrola blogs? he's got a good newsletter see if you can get his newsletter on how studies are analysed. it describes why everyone has a different 'result' from the same study The Definitive Analysis of Observational Studies Buckle up for this Study of the Week. It shocked me. You may never read another observational study in the same way. JOHN MANDROLA APR 29
I did lawn service for about 20 years. Went through about 400 customers. All of the oldest (over 90) were women. Almost to a person, they were either outright vegetarians, or heavily plant based. All of them were slender, all walked for exercise. Roughly half of them smoked cigarettes. What surprised me the most about the smokers was their mental sharpness. They were often book worns.
@@Soul_of_a_Robot To see if I’ve gained/lost: 1 lean muscle mass, 2 subcutaneous/visceral fat, 3 BMI calculated in the doctors office doesn’t reflect accurately as I’m extremely muscular.
If you’re going to increase your protein as you age also add digestive enzymes. It does no good to just consume protein if it goes right through you undigested. For some reason our stomachs don’t produce enough enzymes as we age.
I beg to differ, it solely depends on your eating habits, and what all you are consuming. If you are already a patient of metabolic condition then you must need that. There are a plethora of things to consider in your lifestyle before you declare your digestive system to grow weaker as you age.
I've noticed this myself in my own health. One blood test shows I eat too much protein for my system's filtration(kidneys) and another test shows my body isn't receiving enough protein. 🤔 So I've decided to add digestive enzymes because we lose the stomach acid/enzymes and ability to digest proteins etc as we age. I've just started the enzymes but I'm already seeing less bubbles when I urinate. That's usually a sign your losing protein. But that's just me! 😄
Yep another reason I do Atkins and not keto....and before anyone slams me with a comment you had better look up the differences of the two regarding the macro nutrient breakdown.
I am someone that consumes a mix of animal and plant proteins. My animal protein is eggs, whey, kefir and cheese. My main plant protein sources are pumpkin seeds, nuts, chickpeas, cannellini beans. Mike was pointing to pizza as a source of plant protein, though maybe just parroting the study. Pizza likely has more animal protein than plant protein due to the cheese. Plant protein does not have to be processed food .
Well, in the study, they likely reduced a fair amount of healthy user bias by using "education" and "physical activity levels" as factors in the covariate analysis. So it's not just straight epidemiological analysis that was performed in the study. Mike is getting this wrong. I think the study is making recommendations after making adjustments for healthy user bias (through adjustment after considering education and physical activity levels). I would imagine that in the covariate analysis they compare like for like (e.g., (1) low physical activity , high plant protein compared to low physical activity, high animal protein (2) high physical activity, high plant protein compared to high physical activity, high animal protein etc . . .) That's the purpose of covariate analysis - to reduce the risk of healthy user bias. Covariate analysis was performed in this study and Mike did not cover that.
It borders on propaganda They can’t just mish-mosh groups types of food together like pizza that has plant and animal protein (but mostly highly processed carbs) then make such definitive declarations! It’s clearly a good corporation influenced study that wants ppl to keep on eating play based carbs
I aim for 200 grams a day. The rest is animal fat (usually comes with the animal protein) and sparse, whole food carbs like nuts and berries. I’m 55 and never felt better or stronger. I’m going to continue this for the rest of my life.
I made a mistake during a super busy and high-stress weekend. I ate less protein and more carbs. It took a whole day to recover from a knee autoimmune flare. Bad good just isn’t worth it.
Hey Mike, have you read Buettner’s book The Blue zones. He did extensive research with University experts on nutrition and research for over 20 years. It shows that they eat 1/2 the protein as people in the U.S. and eat a 95 % vegetarian diet. They live an average of 7 to 12 years longer and have way less chronic diseases. Are we to hung up in the science weeds, whats goin on. Looks like all these diets and protein talk are missing the boat.
Study Conclusion: Dietary protein intake, *especially plant protein* , in midlife, is associated with higher odds of healthy aging and with several domains of positive health status in a large cohort of female nurses. I am at the beginning of the video. I am curious if Mike mentions the findings on plant protein.
They further stated: Plant protein was also associated with higher odds of absence of physical function limitations and good mental status. In substitution analyses, we observed significant positive associations for the isocaloric replacement of animal or dairy protein, carbohydrate, or fat with plant protein (ORs for healthy aging: 1.22-1.58 for 3% energy replacement with plant protein).
This was an odd one. In study referenced below, they found that plant protein was more protective against frailty than animal protein in this study. They attempted to take out some user bias by looking at education levels.I would have thought Animal Protein would have been better at reducing frailty risk, as vegans and vegetarian have greater risk with respect to fractures. Plant Protein but Not Animal Protein Consumption Is Associated with Frailty through Plasma Metabolites. Nutrients. 2023
Pizza is a vague term. It's meaningless if the ingredients are not specified. Whole wheat crust? Cauliflower crust? How much cheese? Meat toppings? What vegetables? ETC
Lots of conflicting information on Melatonin. Would like for Mike to give opinion on its effectiveness. Huberman obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about, as he stated that it’s all made in the pineal gland when most is made in the gut. Probably too busy pedaling AG1 to get his facts straight.
Remember that the food industry gives lots of money to these Universities. Just look at the diabetes association food chart. It's all about money, not health.
1. I do not understand the first table which says that the OR is 1.05 for Total protein, while it is more than 1.05 for each individual type of protein. Shouldn't the OR for Total protein be a weighted average of all types? The results seem to be the result of 'statistical corrections' and not the basic data. 2. They didn't try to sort out between the people who ate the largest % of their protein from plants vs. animal products. I think this could have resulted in some interesting results. Especially since they seem to imply that plant protein is superior. There are probably large variations in protein sources within each quintile. I would expect that in people who source most of their protein from plants, there is a strong association with healthy aging, as it is hard to obtain sufficient protein from plants, while for animal-based protein there should not be such a strong association, since you don't need a lot of animal protein. Enough is enough. 3. The amount of plant-based protein (g/d) between Q1 and Q5 is the same, and Q2, Q3 and Q4 are also the same. How can they get significant associations for plant-based protein if the numbers they associate with are the same? Animal protein and dairy protein intake varied significantly between the quintiles, with the group eating more animal and dairy protein being the healthiest. 4. Note that the healthier group had more high cholesterol (makes sense since they ate more animal protein) and fewer total carbs, while getting more carbs from whole grains. 5. The amount of plant protein as % of energy intake varied between 4.7 and 4.9. That's a 0.2% difference, however the odds ratios were expressed per 3% energy intake increase. Even if after statistical corrections the differences were larger, it's not going to get to a 3% difference. By expressing it per 3% energy intake increment they extrapolated the results. If expressed per 1% energy intake, the differences would be 3x smaller. The way these results are represented is misleading. They should have given the (differences in) protein intake after statistical corrections and provided the corresponding ORs.
The reason for higher smokers in the plant based cohort is because their anxiety is probably worse lol. Plant based over time makes you more flighty and anxious
It seems intuitive that the people eating more plant protein are simply eating more plants, and these people are more likely to be thoughtful about their food choices more generally. It’s likely not the plant protein improving their aging, but their entire lifestyle. Plus the animal protein groups used ice cream and other “unclean” protein to measure total protein intake. You would need a study that only looked at highly educated subjects with self control, splitting them into two groups where one eats high quality animal protein, and the other high quality plant protein. Probably won’t happen though…
If high plant-based protein intake can lead to healthy aging, drinking sugar-bomb protein shakes would be the best way to get large amount of protein. Many are drinking such protein shakes in US and they are not healthy at all. High protein AND high amount of physical exercise can lead to healthy aging.
Plant proteins are better because you can't overwhelm your body with them, they assimilate in the body slower. Animal proteins are faster and more concentrated and in excess which causes storage in the form of deformed growth cells which lead to cysts, tumours and cancers. Livestock are high in glyphosate and other pesticides because they are given the inferior rejected and more concentrated herbacides which would be most harmful to humans. So meat eaters are getting more pesticides/herbacides through meat consumption than plant based people are getting through plants.
Potatoes? An average sized potato has about 3.5 grams of protein and 26 grams of carbohydrates. Most of the other items on the plant protein list have similar ratios. Assuming 4 grams of protein and 26 grams of carbs, to get 90 grams of protein, one would also be getting 585 grams of carbs. Assuming the recommendations promoted by Mayo Clinic(normal advice promoted in most physicians offices): “… if you get 2,000 calories a day, between 900 and 1,300 calories should be from carbohydrates. That translates to between 225 and 325 grams of carbs a day.” So, this would translate to roughly an excess of 150 grams of carbs per day. Since the recommendation is based on a 2,000 calorie per day diet, it also translates into an excess of 340 calories, before even considering protein and fat. Ludicrous!
Try good double strained Greek yoghurt and some kind of pickled food ( eg. gherkins, pickled onions), the Butyric Acid will help digestion. And Vit C foods all in the same 'gut load'. Pineapple including the core ( where the bromelain is concentrated) especially helps Protein digestion. I hope that helps.
@@moiragoldsmith7052 no no by protein fatigue I mean always having to stress out about getting enough protein like if you don't like eating protein-rich foods but you always put pressure on yourself to get enough protein grams in the day,, It's starting to get really exhausting for me especially since I don't like protein foods but since I have osteoporosis and I'm trying to build my bones and muscles I'm just finding myself emotionally stressed out and exhausted always to focus on protein protein protein, It's like my whole plate revolves around getting enough protein , I wonder if other people feel the same way
@@Highintensityhealth not bored but exhausted of always having to eat enough protein, like every meal that I prepare always has to revolve around getting enough protein and for me it's hard because I don't like protein-rich foods, I guess it's easier for people who like eating meat eggs and fish stuff like that but for me I don't like those foods, I eat them but I don't enjoy them and it's just starting to get really tiring always having to eating enough protein but at the same time I know I have to because I have osteoporosis and I want to build muscle too, like I wish I could just take one day at least one day where I don't have to worry about protein and I can eat more carbs or at least more plant proteins and not always stress out about eating enough protein, I wonder if anybody else feels the same way and how do they deal with it?
@@jennifermarlow. Everything you just told me is the same stuff I've told others, I never said eating is for fun did I?? I don't eat any junk food no processed food no candies treats the last time I ate candy I was still a child I'm far past being a child I'm so strict with my food my brother told me I should be an MMA fighter because of how disciplined I am But the thing is I'm also very athletic and active, I hate eating protein but I also acknowledged that it doesn't give me the energy and power I need to put in full into my workouts But yeah go preach to someone that doesn't know what eating is for
Who has funded these studies? How much money was spent? Bias is usually found by following the money and companies that may be advocates of the plant proteins over meats.
What is the USDA Agricultural Research Service, which funded this study, and which Big Ag entities are lobbying them? That would be of more interest to me than this dumb study in which protein intake includes pasta and bread and ice cream. Eye roll.
Why would anyone bother reading past the part where they say they got protein from fruit? the only fruits that matter are the ones putting this study out there !
I don't believe any "study" that says red meat is bad for us or that plant protein or plants on general are better for us. We've heard that for 50 years and have gotten fatter and sicker as we've practiced that way of eating. The plant based people oddly don't tell about the real studies of the Eskimos or Masai or other peoples that eat almost exclusively meat and fat and that they're the healthiest people on the planet. I've seen these studies from back in the 80s long before this was a political and big pharma and big food pushed diet. Big Food/ Big Pharma stands a LOT to lose if we stop eating their garbage and get healthy so that we don't need their medicine.😉
These guys are funny. Thank God we now have carnivores and vegans. Let them match them in a study. Looks like they are afraid the plant-based nonsense will not survive.
Sounds like junk results and you shouldn't even spend time on this study. Observational study should be ignored unless the odds ratio is >2.0 or less than 0.5...perhaps the only thing that you could pull from this is that the trope regarding protein being damaging is incorrect.
Lie. Creatinine isn’t the same as creatine. Creatinine is a metabolic byproduct. Creatine is created by animals to facilitate recycling of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), primarily in muscle and brain tissue.
They also don't use seed oils, and they are Extremely more active. Those carbohydrates get burned up since they cycle&walk everywhere. You really need to learn every country is essentially different, esp in that there are things banned in Europe that we use in the United States, and what we use here are very toxic
Since I started increasing my protein intake even my mental clarity has improved.
Same here! There is less effort needed to keep my skin looking bright. Wellness really is the key to effortless beauty. 💃
Meat also has more micronutrients, so it's a combination
Agree.
Possible, but sure not probable with less nitric oxide and glucose levels
How many of you folks are on the carnivore diet? I've been on it for 10 months and it's a massive gamechanger! I am having an incredible amount of success and want to know who else is doing it.
I’m a year in and it was best move I ever made.
I'm 2 years in and in the best shape since I was a teenager.
53 years old. Been regular to the gym (5 x week) for 3 years. I've been on it for 2 months and personal bests at the gym are falling daily. And by falling I mean rising lol.
Tried and got absolutely disgusted eating meat every single day, really not an option for me. Same as we are not natural vegans, we aren´t natural carnivores either, but omnivores. All diets that focus on eating just one kind of food are just glorified eating disorders.
I'm 50yo, I've been ketovore for 2 years. The only non-animal product I eat is a cup of romaine lettuce with my ribeye steak. This helps with not having a gall bladder. I workout everyday and twice a day on weekends. Couldn't do that when I was a carb eater.
"Consuming meat regularly can reduce the risk of early death and increase longevity, according to a study led by University of Adelaide scientists of more than 218,000 adults from more than 50 countries around the world.
The researchers found that the consumption of energy from carbohydrate crops (grains and tubers) does not lead to greater life expectancy, and that total meat consumption correlates to greater life expectancy, independent of the competing effects of total calories intake, economic affluence, urban advantages and obesity.
Dr Wenpeng You, researcher in biomedicine, says humans have evolved and thrived over millions of years because of their significant consumption of meat."
Total Meat Intake is Associated with Life Expectancy: A Cross-Sectional Data Analysis of 175 Contemporary Populations
@GhostRider-ce3eb plant proteins are less bio-available and less diverse in amino acids than meat proteins.
@GhostRider-ce3ebwrong. Plant protein is not good for humans.
@GhostRider-ce3eb You're disregarding all the antinutrients in plants. They also tend to come with a lot of carbs, and they're loaded with carcinogens(nothing in the produce section has less than 60 different carcinogens!) Not to mention lack the low/low quality fat.
And yet, isn’t it interesting that the healthiest and longest-lived population in the world right now are the Adventist vegans? You’d think they’d be the most diseased. Hm…
@GhostRider-ce3eb Plants are sentient and feel pain too. Also the aggriculture to produce the plant based foods kills more animals than animal husbandry for food does, and often in a lot more pain. Modern western slaughter is painless, dying from poisons or starvation, not so much. Meat is more ethical as a food source. It's also much better for you.
I went from keto/carnivore to full blown meat eater 3 weeks ago. I feel no different, was feeling great anyway and my bloodwork was normal, but my weight is slowly dropping, around a pound a week. I keep impressing my young family doctor and he says I’m the healthiest 58 year old he has as patients. He says he has a lot of people half my age that are grossly unhealthy.
So no veggies and fruits at all?
carnivore ruined quite a few of us, and they refuse to ignore it lol
A balanced diet of high protein from animal sources, raw veg, raw fruit, and seeds is ideal.
...uh. Doctors say that to all healthy patients. You got a few more years to find that out, son.
In the 60th we ate meat and eggs. In the 80th we switched to cheerios. We were told it was better for us. WRONG!
Yes and no thanks to the fraudulent FDA and their misleading food pyramid!
I never stopped eating meat and eggs and I'm in my 60s and in good health, nothing wrong with me. No reason to change. Slightly higher cholesterol doesn't bother me. Both my parents in perfect health at 90 I just eat like them.
I fell for all the low fat, low cal nonsense for decades. 😡😢😖
I’m so glad, at 65, that I’m finally eating a proper human diet!! 👏🏻🥩🥓🍳
@@Maintain_Decorum You’re not alone! Too many of us did, but we made the change and, sadly, many have not.
Were we ever told to eat vegetables, fruits, legumes, whole grains, nuts and seeds?
We were. We just didn’t want to listen. And here we are.
I have had a noticeable improvement in body composition since I've upped my protein intake!
I do feel and function better with animal protein (organic beef, eggs, etc.) than with plant proteins.
Bread, ice cream, and pizza slows me down a great deal, so I usually stay away from these foods.
I eat beef, and lots of it. 3 eggs a day, too. I don't know if I look 44, almost 45, or not. I usually feel good.
Few other schools can rival Harvard's ability to minimize confounding data in order to promote a preconceived conclusion.
Hmm. I don't see Sinclair's name on this anywhere... maybe its valid.
Well said!
Or to make up data. Lol.
@@alphacause Gotta follow the money! Who’s paying for these studies? 🤨
It makes sense when you know your DNA and your cells are in constant decay because of carbon-14. That's why protein is theeee most essential
There's a man whom I've known for more than 30 years, he was always skinny and dried. I saw him recently and he looked better than ever, fresh and tight in face, even his hair was different. I asked him what is it about, andh e told me that he quit gluten and started taking protein supplements.
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Is that the one which says it seems to negatively affect women but not men?
I've been hearing a lot of people recently harping on the importance of protein. I've led a more vegan lifestyle in my 20s, and my health plummeted in many veins. I think as you hinted I had gastrointestinal problems with plant protein as well as hormonal disruption. I believe it was the soy as well as lack of protein and dairy/meat in my prime menstruating years. I do wonder is there a difference between plant protein preference in the menopausal years vs. menstruating years for women. Pregnancy has extremely high protein requirements, but I wonder in menopause. As you mentioned, when you are trying to achieve high protein, it is extremely hard with plant protein especially for someone of a low volume such as me. I'm not sure how I could meet the required protein intake in pregnancy without cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, meat, and fish, etc.
Some women that go carnivore after menopause have reported their menstruation cycles starting again.
you can't meet the Dha needs of a developing baby if you are vegan without supplementation. you can't meet your iron needs. You can't meet your B12 needs. It's just not a good diet for pregnant women. My one vegan experience saw me in hospital with blood transfusion and then again with two iron infusions as my haemoglobin was so low (pencil cells) etc. not a good diet for women, brains or bones.
Meat is my main source of energy but I also eat broccoli and berries. Nutritional dense foods are were its at.
Same here!
66 yrs old and enjoying life to the fullest!!
Indeed! Nutrients-dense foods is where it’s at. And whole plants foods are manifold more nutrient-dense than animal foods. Overall, they supply optimal amounts of vitamins, minerals, fiber, protein, phytonutrients, etc. Animal foods have no fiber and no phytonutrients. This is partly what makes them less nutrient-dense.
So, if nutrient density is important to you (and it should be, if health and longevity matter to you), the more plant foods displace animal foods, the better.
@@arambarsamian6312 nah..
My mother always said vegetarians cannot get some essential amino acids. Usually when I mention this it causes an uproar but maybe it's a valid statement.
That’s true.
Also it's almost impossible to get enough b vitamins, copper, zinc, iron, saturated fat, cholesterol, etc.
Maybe more difficult for vegans, but not vegetarians if they are eating eggs and dairy.
@@ChadRDthey will be lacking other nutrients too primarily iron making them more prone to anemia over time and even faster for non menopausal woman since we loose blood every month
I would consider pizza and bread junk food.
once again, no study population can be extrapolated to your risk of anything. self reporting every two years, is not a kind of study I'd base any dietary change on. Anyone eating 50g of protein a day from plants is in a deficiency.
My thoughts on epidemiological studies always come back to follow the money.
do you read any of John Mandrola blogs? he's got a good newsletter see if you can get his newsletter on how studies are analysed. it describes why everyone has a different 'result' from the same study
The Definitive Analysis of Observational Studies
Buckle up for this Study of the Week. It shocked me. You may never read another observational study in the same way.
JOHN MANDROLA
APR 29
Learning to savor eggs is a skill. Thanks for keeping us focused
I did lawn service for about 20 years. Went through about 400 customers. All of the oldest (over 90) were women. Almost to a person, they were either outright vegetarians, or heavily plant based. All of them were slender, all walked for exercise. Roughly half of them smoked cigarettes. What surprised me the most about the smokers was their mental sharpness. They were often book worns.
Fantastic analysis! Appreciate your detailed, in-depth dive.
I belive consuming 200g of protein a day gives me the best benefits in terms of retaining muscle and to fight the urge of over eating
Yup
I eat OMAD carnivore, if I’m hungry from working out I up the fat if I haven’t exercised then I eat more protein.
Does eating more meat affects your kidney?
I like that you get right to the point. Thank you for explaining the studies.
Started carnivore Jan 1 feeling great, building muscle, losing fat can’t wait til I do a DEXA scan in august.
Why would you need a dexa when you have a mirror? Absolutely bizarre
@@Soul_of_a_Robot To see if I’ve gained/lost: 1 lean muscle mass, 2 subcutaneous/visceral fat, 3 BMI calculated in the doctors office doesn’t reflect accurately as I’m extremely muscular.
I started upping my protein intake this year. Hope it helps. 🤞
It would be helpful to know how the rate of protein recycling changes with dietary protein increase
If you’re going to increase your protein as you age also add digestive enzymes. It does no good to just consume protein if it goes right through you undigested. For some reason our stomachs don’t produce enough enzymes as we age.
How do you know this?
I beg to differ, it solely depends on your eating habits, and what all you are consuming. If you are already a patient of metabolic condition then you must need that. There are a plethora of things to consider in your lifestyle before you declare your digestive system to grow weaker as you age.
Proteleic enzymes bromalien
Yeah, tell us more, please. Any references? Tx
I've noticed this myself in my own health. One blood test shows I eat too much protein for my system's filtration(kidneys) and another test shows my body isn't receiving enough protein. 🤔 So I've decided to add digestive enzymes because we lose the stomach acid/enzymes and ability to digest proteins etc as we age. I've just started the enzymes but I'm already seeing less bubbles when I urinate. That's usually a sign your losing protein. But that's just me! 😄
Yep another reason I do Atkins and not keto....and before anyone slams me with a comment you had better look up the differences of the two regarding the macro nutrient breakdown.
Really thorough and interesting breakdown of the study.
I am someone that consumes a mix of animal and plant proteins. My animal protein is eggs, whey, kefir and cheese. My main plant protein sources are pumpkin seeds, nuts, chickpeas, cannellini beans. Mike was pointing to pizza as a source of plant protein, though maybe just parroting the study. Pizza likely has more animal protein than plant protein due to the cheese. Plant protein does not have to be processed food .
Well, in the study, they likely reduced a fair amount of healthy user bias by using "education" and "physical activity levels" as factors in the covariate analysis. So it's not just straight epidemiological analysis that was performed in the study. Mike is getting this wrong. I think the study is making recommendations after making adjustments for healthy user bias (through adjustment after considering education and physical activity levels). I would imagine that in the covariate analysis they compare like for like (e.g., (1) low physical activity , high plant protein compared to low physical activity, high animal protein (2) high physical activity, high plant protein compared to high physical activity, high animal protein etc . . .) That's the purpose of covariate analysis - to reduce the risk of healthy user bias. Covariate analysis was performed in this study and Mike did not cover that.
Excellent work!I really appreciate the information. For humanity.
Wonderful in-depth content! Great video. Thanks, Mike ❤
Laughs in 240g protein, 270g fat, and 3g carb per day
What are your thoughts on gelatin?
It borders on propaganda They can’t just mish-mosh groups types of food together like pizza that has plant and animal protein (but mostly highly processed carbs) then make such definitive declarations! It’s clearly a good corporation influenced study that wants ppl to keep on eating play based carbs
Really bad study. Shows you that the entire industry is suspect. That should never have been peer reviewed and accepted.
Who would have thought that people would only eat the pizza dough as to only count for plant protein intake. The length people go for the cause 😂
I’m usually at 75-80 g per day but I’m 5’2 and petite. I find in the middle is great no extremes on either side needed !
I aim for 200 grams a day. The rest is animal fat (usually comes with the animal protein) and sparse, whole food carbs like nuts and berries. I’m 55 and never felt better or stronger. I’m going to continue this for the rest of my life.
PIZZA RULZ!!! Ice Cream too. Now find me a study that sez I should eat Donuts :-)
Remember too many daily protein will act like too many glucide. Eat the amount of protein for your body size and gender.
I made a mistake during a super busy and high-stress weekend. I ate less protein and more carbs. It took a whole day to recover from a knee autoimmune flare. Bad good just isn’t worth it.
Hey Mike, have you read Buettner’s book The Blue zones. He did extensive research with University experts on nutrition and research for over 20 years. It shows that they eat 1/2 the protein as people in the U.S. and eat a 95 % vegetarian diet. They live an average of 7 to 12 years longer and have way less chronic diseases. Are we to hung up in the science weeds, whats goin on. Looks like all these diets and protein talk are missing the boat.
Didn't Tufts U. tell us a few months ago that cheerios were healthier than eggs?
Kellogs told us breakfast is the most important meal of the day
Study Conclusion: Dietary protein intake, *especially plant protein* , in midlife, is associated with higher odds of healthy aging and with several domains of positive health status in a large cohort of female nurses. I am at the beginning of the video. I am curious if Mike mentions the findings on plant protein.
They further stated: Plant protein was also associated with higher odds of absence of physical function limitations and good mental status. In substitution analyses, we observed significant positive associations for the isocaloric replacement of animal or dairy protein, carbohydrate, or fat with plant protein (ORs for healthy aging: 1.22-1.58 for 3% energy replacement with plant protein).
He did cover it! Kudos to Mike.
This was an odd one. In study referenced below, they found that plant protein was more protective against frailty than animal protein in this study. They attempted to take out some user bias by looking at education levels.I would have thought Animal Protein would have been better at reducing frailty risk, as vegans and vegetarian have greater risk with respect to fractures.
Plant Protein but Not Animal Protein Consumption Is Associated with Frailty through Plasma Metabolites. Nutrients. 2023
Pizza is a vague term. It's meaningless if the ingredients are not specified. Whole wheat crust? Cauliflower crust? How much cheese? Meat toppings? What vegetables? ETC
Lots of conflicting information on Melatonin. Would like for Mike to give opinion on its effectiveness. Huberman obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about, as he stated that it’s all made in the pineal gland when most is made in the gut. Probably too busy pedaling AG1 to get his facts straight.
I wouldn't touch it, its used to get sheep into breeding season.
Remember that the food industry gives lots of money to these Universities. Just look at the diabetes association food chart. It's all about money, not health.
1. I do not understand the first table which says that the OR is 1.05 for Total protein, while it is more than 1.05 for each individual type of protein. Shouldn't the OR for Total protein be a weighted average of all types? The results seem to be the result of 'statistical corrections' and not the basic data.
2. They didn't try to sort out between the people who ate the largest % of their protein from plants vs. animal products. I think this could have resulted in some interesting results. Especially since they seem to imply that plant protein is superior.
There are probably large variations in protein sources within each quintile. I would expect that in people who source most of their protein from plants, there is a strong association with healthy aging, as it is hard to obtain sufficient protein from plants, while for animal-based protein there should not be such a strong association, since you don't need a lot of animal protein. Enough is enough.
3. The amount of plant-based protein (g/d) between Q1 and Q5 is the same, and Q2, Q3 and Q4 are also the same. How can they get significant associations for plant-based protein if the numbers they associate with are the same? Animal protein and dairy protein intake varied significantly between the quintiles, with the group eating more animal and dairy protein being the healthiest.
4. Note that the healthier group had more high cholesterol (makes sense since they ate more animal protein) and fewer total carbs, while getting more carbs from whole grains.
5. The amount of plant protein as % of energy intake varied between 4.7 and 4.9. That's a 0.2% difference, however the odds ratios were expressed per 3% energy intake increase. Even if after statistical corrections the differences were larger, it's not going to get to a 3% difference. By expressing it per 3% energy intake increment they extrapolated the results. If expressed per 1% energy intake, the differences would be 3x smaller. The way these results are represented is misleading. They should have given the (differences in) protein intake after statistical corrections and provided the corresponding ORs.
How could you not know fruit has protein?
How could you not know how little useful protein fruit has compared to meat?
Most people don't. Partly because it is fairly low and not bioavailable. So not good sources.
@@dawnelder9046 not bioavailable? Lol. Who taught you that?
The reason for higher smokers in the plant based cohort is because their anxiety is probably worse lol. Plant based over time makes you more flighty and anxious
significant development indeed.
It seems intuitive that the people eating more plant protein are simply eating more plants, and these people are more likely to be thoughtful about their food choices more generally. It’s likely not the plant protein improving their aging, but their entire lifestyle.
Plus the animal protein groups used ice cream and other “unclean” protein to measure total protein intake. You would need a study that only looked at highly educated subjects with self control, splitting them into two groups where one eats high quality animal protein, and the other high quality plant protein. Probably won’t happen though…
Bro, lentils, and beans are loaded with protein. Most people eat way too much protein as it is.
Stop saying soy is the main plant source.
High animal protein intake is associated with faster aging and kidney disease. (Many animal studies back this up)
5%? is that really significant?
Data?
Great video
Sounds like some serious investigator bias leading to some very strange (repeatable in a prospective study?) results........
If high plant-based protein intake can lead to healthy aging, drinking sugar-bomb protein shakes would be the best way to get large amount of protein. Many are drinking such protein shakes in US and they are not healthy at all. High protein AND high amount of physical exercise can lead to healthy aging.
That's a total bias study promoting plant base diets 😢
They boost your aging?
Plant proteins are better because you can't overwhelm your body with them, they assimilate in the body slower. Animal proteins are faster and more concentrated and in excess which causes storage in the form of deformed growth cells which lead to cysts, tumours and cancers. Livestock are high in glyphosate and other pesticides because they are given the inferior rejected and more concentrated herbacides which would be most harmful to humans. So meat eaters are getting more pesticides/herbacides through meat consumption than plant based people are getting through plants.
Tuff’s has lost me. They are the ones saying processed cereal is better than an egg. Bought off and wrong.
Potatoes? An average sized potato has about 3.5 grams of protein and 26 grams of carbohydrates. Most of the other items on the plant protein list have similar ratios. Assuming 4 grams of protein and 26 grams of carbs, to get 90 grams of protein, one would also be getting 585 grams of carbs.
Assuming the recommendations promoted by Mayo Clinic(normal advice promoted in most physicians offices): “… if you get 2,000 calories a day, between 900 and 1,300 calories should be from carbohydrates. That translates to between 225 and 325 grams of carbs a day.” So, this would translate to roughly an excess of 150 grams of carbs per day. Since the recommendation is based on a 2,000 calorie per day diet, it also translates into an excess of 340 calories, before even considering protein and fat. Ludicrous!
Again how much protein is such an individual need as some ppl are petite while others are larger frame ppl so just throwing numbers out is useless .
How do you overcome protein fatigue?
Try good double strained Greek yoghurt and some kind of pickled food ( eg. gherkins, pickled onions), the Butyric Acid will help digestion. And Vit C foods all in the same 'gut load'. Pineapple including the core ( where the bromelain is concentrated) especially helps Protein digestion.
I hope that helps.
You mean being bored of eating the same thing?
@@moiragoldsmith7052 no no by protein fatigue I mean always having to stress out about getting enough protein like if you don't like eating protein-rich foods but you always put pressure on yourself to get enough protein grams in the day,,
It's starting to get really exhausting for me especially since I don't like protein foods but since I have osteoporosis and I'm trying to build my bones and muscles I'm just finding myself emotionally stressed out and exhausted always to focus on protein protein protein,
It's like my whole plate revolves around getting enough protein ,
I wonder if other people feel the same way
@@Highintensityhealth not bored but exhausted of always having to eat enough protein, like every meal that I prepare always has to revolve around getting enough protein and for me it's hard because I don't like protein-rich foods, I guess it's easier for people who like eating meat eggs and fish stuff like that but for me I don't like those foods, I eat them but I don't enjoy them and it's just starting to get really tiring always having to eating enough protein but at the same time I know I have to because I have osteoporosis and I want to build muscle too, like I wish I could just take one day at least one day where I don't have to worry about protein and I can eat more carbs or at least more plant proteins and not always stress out about eating enough protein, I wonder if anybody else feels the same way and how do they deal with it?
@@jennifermarlow. Everything you just told me is the same stuff I've told others, I never said eating is for fun did I??
I don't eat any junk food no processed food no candies treats the last time I ate candy I was still a child I'm far past being a child
I'm so strict with my food my brother told me I should be an MMA fighter because of how disciplined I am
But the thing is I'm also very athletic and active, I hate eating protein but I also acknowledged that it doesn't give me the energy and power I need to put in full into my workouts
But yeah go preach to someone that doesn't know what eating is for
Who has funded these studies? How much money was spent? Bias is usually found by following the money and companies that may be advocates of the plant proteins over meats.
*study funded by the Vegetable Institute lol
Obviously.
pizza is plant, don't forget lol
How bad is too much protein for bone loss? Any studies on that?
Dietary protein is beneficial to bone health under conditions of adequate calcium intake: an update on clinical research
Kelsey M. Mangano
Protein increases bone growth.
Bones are built on protein matrix
I've read protein requires calcium from the body to digest, leaving less calcium left for bone creation. Everything can get so complicated .... .
Don't forget resistance training is vital for bone health too
What is the USDA Agricultural Research Service, which funded this study, and which Big Ag entities are lobbying them? That would be of more interest to me than this dumb study in which protein intake includes pasta and bread and ice cream. Eye roll.
Smokers eat less food period.
Boost aging different from healthy aging...
Why would anyone bother reading past the part where they say they got protein from fruit? the only fruits that matter are the ones putting this study out there !
Berries are good, and super good for you.
And you lost me at GMO modified... woo woo, everywhere on YT... 😢
All this proves is that some people will do anything to prove something! Another reason to dismiss studies......
I don't believe any "study" that says red meat is bad for us or that plant protein or plants on general are better for us. We've heard that for 50 years and have gotten fatter and sicker as we've practiced that way of eating. The plant based people oddly don't tell about the real studies of the Eskimos or Masai or other peoples that eat almost exclusively meat and fat and that they're the healthiest people on the planet. I've seen these studies from back in the 80s long before this was a political and big pharma and big food pushed diet. Big Food/ Big Pharma stands a LOT to lose if we stop eating their garbage and get healthy so that we don't need their medicine.😉
They have a scietific study, and you just guess and forced your opinion on thing
Always do opposite what government says.
I’m suspect who funded this
Summary: Eat your beans and peas.
Can make a video about the new omega 3 controversy?
Huh?
Take advantage of the hype, consume a lot of protein without guilt until next week a new scientific article appears stating the opposite
Go Carnivor
Protein intake requirement has been overblown because of roided up bodybuilders. You don’t need 1g per lb of body weight. 0.6-0.8g is plenty enough
This is a nutz study
These guys are funny. Thank God we now have carnivores and vegans. Let them match them in a study. Looks like they are afraid the plant-based nonsense will not survive.
Their is no validity in this kind of study
Polyphenols and herbs health
Ahh the plant people
Sounds like junk results and you shouldn't even spend time on this study. Observational study should be ignored unless the odds ratio is >2.0 or less than 0.5...perhaps the only thing that you could pull from this is that the trope regarding protein being damaging is incorrect.
3 types of lies.....lies, damn lies and statistics
Wrong
I just saw vegans are claiming that how good plat protein is god this is so stupid I mean wow
That study was 💩
Smoke meats
That looks like a crappy study...
CREATINE suppliment warning:
can hospitalize those with damaged kidneys. Excruciating life threatening pain. Made chemo look pleasant.
Lie. Creatinine isn’t the same as creatine. Creatinine is a metabolic byproduct. Creatine is created by animals to facilitate recycling of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), primarily in muscle and brain tissue.
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There is nothing wrong with pasta and pizza
look at the italien people
They don't use much bleached wheat&sugar, AND, they are literate (Italian 🤦)
They also don't use seed oils, and they are Extremely more active. Those carbohydrates get burned up since they cycle&walk everywhere. You really need to learn every country is essentially different, esp in that there are things banned in Europe that we use in the United States, and what we use here are very toxic
Apparantly there is ...
then again, Italy is not any better in life expectancy compared to other Western nations
That is true but it's totally different pizza and pasta in Italy. Completely different food, different everything.
Hey Mike i think your channel is being shadow banned