Aren't You Glad You Missed the 2023 Motorcycle Live Show at the Birmingham NEC?
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- Dick and his friend Bones visits the 2023 Motorcycle Live Motorcycle Show at Birmingham NEC. Dick considers the bikes on show and reflects on his recent position on the state of affairs in the motorcycling industry.
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I used to LOVE going to the bike show at the NEC. Haven’t been for many years now. Too expensive to: get in, eat, buy anything……there was a time where these shows were a place to pick up real bargains - not anymore. I’d rather save the £100+ it would cost me and spend it at the local bike shop…
If I hadn’t been a complete biker since 1975, I’d have stopped buying anything motor biking years ago…… greedy corporate bastards one and all…..
I went to the very first one (after it was re-started in 1980s), got squiffy in the bar with the lovely cheesecake ladies prior to them hitting the floor\ bikes- happy days. God I miss press day.
Oh Dick, I thought your title was directly, personally, addressed to me! And the answer would be “yes”. Frankly a cheek to ask so much money to come and look at what firms are trying to make me buy. Or would be, if I hadn’t already put myself beyond their clutches by doing up a couple of old models they stopped making years ago! Keep the wheels going round Mate, and ignore the ‘market’. Les
Earlier in the year i got rid of my Tiger 850 to take the cash out of the bike. I purchased a brand new Royal Enfield Scam 411 to bimble around the lanes of north wales where I live too! This bike was less than half the price of a new Tiger but it still puts a massive smile on my face! Cheap, simple, fun! Surely that’s what many motorcycle manufacturers have lost sight of with the ever growing sales targets and constant need to push new trends onto consumers. I don’t need 101 rider modes or features to enjoy being out on a bike, maybe I’m getting old!
Bear in mind s lot of these tech updates are government/regulation led policies.
Funny that I've sold my Triumph 900 gt pro and ordered a Himalayan 450 so the same thought process 👍
Whole heartedly agree with everything you say. Glad I didn't waste my money or time going
I went to MCL as a group in a coach from Thunder Road Cwmbran for £40 all in and they did a great job. I took sandwiches and a drink and quite enjoyed it as it was pretty quiet. Hel and Airvest spent time with me to talk and i bought a vest and brake lines, so I am happy with the visit.
A refreshing take on biking compared to the usual orgasmic gushing most of the servile vloggers on YT puke up at every bike launch ever
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Great video....thanks
Thanks for watching!
I had a good day at the NEC having pre booked my ticket and parking for £23 and £10 respectively. My friend and I went to the National Motorcycle Museum the day before the show and both of us got in for £7.50 instead of £15 because we wer NEC show goers.
I do agree with a lot of your observations particularly the price hikes. I think that the attitude of most producers of motorcycles and everything else is that the public are expecting prices to go up so lets put our prices u[p as well. It's all down to inflation you know! The only way to reverse this trend is to stop buying the product, and if we all convey to dealers that we are sorry but this is too much then they mignt reduce prices. After all from the manufacturers point of view why sell for 8k whien people are willing ot pay 10k for it.
There were very few new new bikes at the show as most have just had cosmetic changes for 2024. The 1300 GS is a new bike as is the 450 Himmey which is worlds apart from the outgoing model. There are 2 little new Triumph's the new BSA and a raft of 350 Enfeilds. The golden generation of motorcyclists is aging, a few of my friends having bought big retro bikes to relive their youth are now looking at these new singles as they are smaller and lighter.
I am lucky enough to have several motorcycles one of which is a BMW Funduro which is also a single cyulinder machine and capable of knocking the spots of most of these new offerings. I do however like the new Himmey.
THANKS FOR SHARING THE BIG CON. PRICES ARE A DEVIOUS MICKEY TAKE, AS YOU INTIMATED.
I get you mate. I feel the show would have been a lot better for me if Piagio were there. Aprilia and Guzzi are my favourite bikes at the moment and I wished I could have seen the new Stelvio. Even Harley didn't bother.
Harley never bothers. The big trick about the show is that it isn't the manufacturers staffing the booths. It's the dealers. And many dealers can't foot the expense.
I really want to love the bike show.. I feel nostalgic going to it.. I remember going with old friends and in younger days but the reality is you are right.. PCP has killed the pricing, there’s nothing exciting and everything is lavished with tons of useless high tech twattery that nobody actually needs.. the industry is in dire straits… nobody has got any money to spend in a cost of living crisis and the industry doesn’t k ow how to respond.. it’s so so sad…
Thanks for your honest and enlightening appraisal of the show and the business, instead of the usual drivel uttered by the plethora of 'RUclips vloggers'.
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been a subscriber for a while Dick, always enjoyed your jaunts and comments.@@DickWhistles
Cheers for that! I’ll look out for ya.
Both the mrs and me have loved going to the bike show over recent years, until we went to the nec campervan show , with a much larger show ( covering 6 halls ) free parking, and ticket prices of £12 each, showed us just how much we are being RIPPED OFF with motorcycle live .
We haven’t been back since and don’t intend going again until they stop ripping us off.
And I’m sure we aren’t the only ones thinking this .
I went on the Tuesday and felt it was the most I had enjoyed it for many years.
Best thing to do is book early it’s a lot cheaper, take the bike and get free parking, sandwiches and drinks with you and it’s not a bad day out. Although it could do with a revamp and what happened to Harley Davidson? Not there this year.
100 million percentage agree
I’d rather 2 - 3 different motorcycles over 1 brand new bike. I expect new to me prices to drop even further. New bikes have so much tech, no one can fix them. I’m not bitter, just cheap and practical.
The industry would, of course, claim that it’s just catering to the current market. Looking at the attendees it certainly wasn’t packed with under 25s…. and there’s the underlying problem. No amount of TFT displays, rider modes and retro paint schemes will fix that.
It was a Monday... But I take your point. Even on the weekends, these events aren't well attended by young people. The UK, however, is a different animal as the rush to get a drivers license or a motorbike license is not the high priority for teenagers that it is in the USA or other transport dependent countries.
Yes. Will be going to the Scottish Motorcycle Show in March, as it's that bit smaller and less corporate. #Boutique even..... Decent custom show too.
Pleased I didn't go this year, thanks Dick.
Loved bike show at earls Court and road race show at ally pally .
Haven't been to NEC for years as I would have to meet mates there, no really train option. And no way will pay for rip off car park fees .
Completely agree with latest bikes way to much tech and yet will sell you a comfy seat or adjustable foot pegs extra. Need to get young kids intrested in bikes to.
Absolutely.
The best show [ a few years ago ] used to be the Ally Pally show, north london's highest point, lots of new bikes, and tuning goodies, and proper engineering companies like Harris Performance, plus if you knew where to go, you could sneak in for free. 😁
I went and thoroughly enjoyed the day. The Honda stand was very popular with the new e-clutch on display and a full range of new and upgraded bikes. Surely if you have an interest in bikes you would take time out to visit a show like this. Disappointed Harley Davidson weren’t there as they have a large following in the UK.
Should do a custom hall, all invited, shed builds, choppers, café racers, streetfighters, etc....way more interesting.
Very very true great review 👌💯👍 to much money
Clearly, next year we make the pilgrimage to EICMA. Not only will it not cost much more than the schlep to Brum, but we'll be able to enjoy a couple of days in Milan.
Then again, why bother going to the show at all, let's just go to Italy for a long weekend.
In 1976 a new Kawasaki Z1B was £1,249, more than the price of some cars, but the goalposts have moved significantly since then. The Z1 was top of the tree, but now it's becoming commonplace for run of the mill bikes to cost more than cars. Also, I thought that the majority of visitors (yes I went) were probably the same people who went in the 70's and 8o's, maybe because they now represent the only people who have the money to buy them!?!
I would never consider going to it even if it wasn't 6,000 miles away. Good point about prices. Nick
I managed to blag free parking and free entry to motorcycle live this year and I'm very pleased that I did!
It was not a great experience and I thought, a pretty poor show.
Even if I'm given tickets again next year, I doubt I'll bother going..
I'm 100% with your cynical and very accurate ascessment Dick. The ever more expensive high tech "new" models leave me cold. As someone who usually keeps his bike(s) for 10 years plus the whole PCP thing and "modes and quickshifters" etc is not for me and same goes for a lot of my motorcycling pals. Thanks for an honest review
Just an FYI. There is also a bike show in Edinburgh, Scotland. Not as big i don't think but it's local.
I thoroughly enjoyed the show. Hadn't been since before covid. Saw loads of interesting stuff, but I would never spend that sort of money on a bike or car!
Agree completely. I’ve only been once. Never again. Paying to walk around a showroom. Not for me.
Totally agree mate. The new BMW GS1300 here in NZ is $45k. That’s a years gross salary for me ffs😮
20 years ago, it was a good show. Much bigger and the place to get good deals on kit. The times I've been in the last 10yrs I've always come away feeling disappointed.
With you all the way Dick.
The show was great overall and plenty of products available on the day for sale with HUGE show discounts in most cases and I managed to meet a good amount of road racers and BSB riders including getting a few photos with them and autographs. Overall well worth the £23 it’s not expensive at all. In fact the cost of a single open ticket amounts to just two hours of labour on minimum wage in the UK 🤣
I paid £31 on the day . Too much!
They can offer the discounts because of what most people don't know, which is that you have absolutely no comeback on anything bought at a show like this
It's off premises and not online so no warranties are needed nor offered - Consumer law does not apply
If it goes wrong the minute after you buy it, that's it, tough tits.
Ouch £18 to park a motorcycle?! Thanks for the run down of the show.
Nah, my car... Motorbikes were free. The motorway ride to the show from London isn't worth the discomfort in the wet wintery weather of England. Plus you'd then have to walk around soaked to the bone and carrying your gear.
@@DickWhistles oh of course yeah the weather has been aweful.
A-men brother!
Yes. Didn’t go this year. Last year the best by far was the company I kept ( yes you Mark ). I’m wondering If rather than when I will go again…
I didn’t go this year because I found the perfect bike for me, it’s a Kawasaki ninja 400 and I’ll keep it until it’s worn out and then replace it with the newest version of that bike.
I was a lucky one who won an entry ticket, after seeing the price for parking I eventually went by train. I didn't get excited about much there, could have just gone down to my local motorcycle shops!
Out of interest does that parking price also apply to motorbikes? If so the fleecing has reached dizzying heights
No. Bikes are still free. I just didn't fancy a wet and cold motorway ride only to be left to carry around and wear mu wet gear for a couple of hours.
@@DickWhistles They have places to store your gear, there is a fee but at least it goes to charity
Been going for years but gave it a miss as couldn't pay cash for entrance fee.
I would always avoid these shows as the cost of a new motorcycle is not within my budget. However, I also ride an E-mountain bike and if you think the cost of new motorcycles is crazy, have a look at the e-bike market. I ride a Specialized Turbo Levo that's now six years old and cost £4,000 when new - with 0% finance to help with the deal. The top of the range 2023 version of my e-bike now retails at a ridiculous £12,500 - that's just insane!
Obviously just the normal rate of inflation dear customer. Now get your wallet out...
Obviously.
I too am a cyclist. I have been priced out of new bicycles since 2008. I have instead been buying up my dream bikes from the turn of the century for a song. They still roll as smooth as I remember.
@@DickWhistles I'm selling my expensive carbon disc road bike and replaced it with a mint Specilized 2018 Alloy rim brake bike for £220.
I'm pretty much done with buying new stuff now.
I have given up on bike shows, they used to have lots of different stuff going on and a good range of bikes and accessories at reasonable prices. But like all the branded stuff nowadays they want to sell you mediocre stuff at extorted prices. Basically you have to pay a fortune to go somewhere where they can get free advertising. I know it costs money to put it on but they are hoping you will buy something and that is where the money should be made, if it cost such a lot to get in who would then want to spend even more when you get there? Can you imagine supermarkets charging you to go in to buy stuff?
Not a patch on the Stafford bike show
I went with my daughter and would have been a bit upset if I hadn't got a early bird ticket at £23 for me, parking £11 and lucky for me my daughter was under 18 and paid £2.50 for her. If I'd paid the full price for everything it wouldn't have been worth the money. Years ago it was great. You are not kidding about being ripped off for bike prices now. I'm in the market for a new bike and was looking at the NC750X but I can't see it being worth £8k when only a few years ago you could get one for £6.5k. I know its got some extra gadgets on the new model but still with an old LCD dash!!
Thanks for your comment. That's the trick now, early bird, etc. Live can no longer be impulsive. "Hey, lets go up to the Motorcycle Show. We can pay at the door..."
Oh, and skip the NC750X, its a turd.
My old bike will continue to be my old bike, i wont pay bullshit prices.
I decided not to go. I am only a humble scooterist. I decided it would be just better to go to the dealers in the spring.
It was a bit like the ABR for me, Dick - been there once, don’t need the t-shirt (as I have better ones 🤫). Regarding the new Himmy, we were impressed. In respect of the 400 Triumphs, as 900 Tigers owners, we were underwhelmed. I guess you pays your money….
Hey Chris
Yeah. You’d never see me at ABR.
How long have you had the 900s? Have they resolved the vibration issues from the first generation? Do guys still have the crf and the Harley? I agree, you can’t compare the Indian made 400s to the Thai produced products. But I did think they were superior aesthetically and in apparent quality to the new Himmy. And despite them being produced by the same company, they looked better than the BMW310GS as well.
Stay well.
We got them 11/22. H has a GT and I have a Rallye. Very smooth and great for longer mileages, at speed or slower. CoG is noticeably lower than my Tenere, which was a defo advantage loaded with panniers when we did Calais-Roscoff in 6/23. Yes, we still have those bikes but H has got a KTM 250 Freeride for off-roading now and commutes on her CRF. I have added an ex-military ‘98 XR250 to my fleet which is totally dismantled just now for rebuild/repaint. The engine is away for checking and powder coating and I hope it will be up and running again by Spring.
All the best to you guys for the Festive Season 🥂.
ive given up with the nec , the abr , the new expensive teck bikes , I've stopped taking notice of people on bikes telling what l should have in my garage , stopped watching people take a demo bike out for 30 mins then tell me how good or bad it , and now i just ride my bike and enjoy it , life is much more simple when you dont give a toss 😀
That makes sense. In “the good old days” we made good decisions about what we rode. I don’t think I made too many mistakes, and all the bikes I ride informed my choices today. Just ride what you’ve got ….
I think you are so right - most of what the industry is churning out is really uninteresting. They keep adding more and more power so you need more and more expensive hassle-prone tech to control it, and there is very little actual innovation going on. More and more adventure bikes for people who never go off road and more and more retro bikes which aren't as interesting as the originals! Like you, I think that the Kawasaki Hybrid tech looks interesting, though I don't think they are putting it in the right bikes yet - can't see sportsbikers going for the Ninja Hybrid for one thing. It would appeal to more practical bikers who might buy a Versys (or a Suzuki V-strom), a commuter/ light tourer, or even - whisper it - a maxi-scooter!
The problem is is that it's cheaper to run the ice 650 which has better performance. I disagree about innovation mechanically, if it ain't broke don't fix it, decades of evolution have got the fundamentals as good as it gets. Remember weird bimota steering or god help us suzukis rotary damping. Where it is shit is there are no good looking designs or drab boring colours. There's not one bike out there that makes me want it on looks other than impractical sportsbikes or dirt bikes. I'm frustrated by useless unreliable tech also but what pisses me off is if you want to avoid those bikes you're left with a so called budget bike where the componentry is crap as one is expected to aspire to ride a flagship 1200 like all the office boy fashionistas... who do 600 miles a year if they're lucky. I want MT07sp's etc.
@@I_am_Thursday Yeah - I get it. However, I guess we will have to go electric before long - I don't object in principle, but battery technology still isn't anywhere near good enough. As for good looking modern bikes, my personal gripe is the colours that most manufacturers offer - normally you get a choice of Black or 2 shades of grey, or if you very lucky, some sort of dull blue!
BUT, sometimes, there's an exceptional exception 6:18
Interesting if a little cynical view of the show. I was there, it was interesting, but perhaps a little disappointing that Harley, Guzzi and Aprilia weren't there. Punters who paid to visit must be annoyed when KTM announce new models like the KTM Super-Duke 1390 a week after the show or that Triumph don't bring their new TF250-X and do a world launch again a week later.
I do think the entry/ticket/food/parking prices are an absolute rip off but the place was packed most days. It's supply and demand, they will charge it because they can.
No one in there right mind would trust a Triumph crosser. Why are they even going there? Don't they have enough models already?
@Mozzer_999 Why not? The 765 engine Triumph produce for Moto 2 racing has proved reliable
Only time will tell if this 250 is any good.
@@Banditmanuk is that the one that needs 12k valve checks as opposed to the 24k on the CP3? All modern triumphs have questionable build quality. You think a keyless multi can leave you stranded? You'll have more issues with a Tiger and to top it off they rust overnight.
@Mozzer_999 Wife has a 34,000 mile 7 year old Street Triple that's had no issues. I've owned a Speed Triple and a Tiger 800 without problems.
Everyone at some point has issues with bikes. I prefer the Yamaha bikes personally for quality and reliability but Triumph's are up there.
Very good points! I stopped going several years ago. Where are the standard bikes at standard prices? No wonder China is making g a killing.
The MCN SHOW is a disgrace. It gets smaller and more expensive every year. It used to be in 4 halls and now could easily fit into 1 if it weren't for the needless nonsense arena. The ticket, food and drinks plus parking would get you to a better experience elsewhere and as few of the manufacturers bother to attend I wonder why we keep turning up for this sideshow.
Expensive, and if you saw EICMA vlogs put out by EVERY blogger on the planet with a web cam, then there was no real reason to go.
RIPOFF BRITAIN!
They are littery laughing at us.... I'm a biker and when u see bikes more than cars u know they are fooking u over. People paying 17k for an adventure bike that's nuts and most probably do the 50 miles a week. They need to bring the prices down at some point.
Literally.
At the price point the mfgs are asking for base motorcycles, I'm wondering how Harley is *still* the only union made motorcycle in the world (that I know of). Surely the plant workers for Bimmer, Honda, Ducati, etc must realize they're getting the shaft at this point. It's better to line the worker's pocket than the fat cat bosses and marketers who keep us rehashing the same thing year after year after year. The alleged gambit of unrestrained capitalism from the Rothbard/Thatcher/Reagan/Clinton types has always been innovation and opportunity but in nearly every sector we're seeing the opposite.
Tangential, I know. But this keeps rattling around in my head every time conversations about the alleged greatness of our consumer goods comes up.
Please watch my previous video. Not tangential at all.
ruclips.net/video/BqEc0PEjZBI/видео.htmlsi=Z1jOh4qXdFZw1i4c
Eh? BMW is a union shop (I.G. Metall) and the workforce enjoy above average conditions even by German standards.
@@jimtitt3571 I thought that was just their autos? They were the one I wasn't sure about because I know they have some UAW workers in the US
YES. !
Used to go many years ago, but not any more. Way too expensive just to get in. The programme used to be free as well, now they want to charge you £5 for a digital one full of adverts. I can remember coming back from Earls Court, where it used to be held, with bag loads of goodies, sadly not the case at Birmingham. Would have cost close to £100 for me to go.😮😮 No sorry, I'll just go to my multi franchised bike dealer, and see them there for free. Motorcyce Live has been a rip off for years.😢😢
When the nec was 8 times bigger and only cost 10 quid it was pretty good. Now it's just rubbish😂
I went this year, but I won’t be going next year it’s to expensive and a long way to travel for us northern folks.
Bikes costing more than cars is utterly fcuking ludicrous, and the spending doesn't stop at the purchase price, then there is dealer servicing which has also reached the level of cars, as have the spares. Followed by epic depreciation! No wonder biking is receding rapidly in popularity. As for the NEC, I just refuse to pay for the parking extortion racket and catering. I'll stick with my classics. Although there is one new bike I really do like, the MV Brutale Nurbergring, but not at £30k plus!
It's shite. Get to the Classic & Motorcycle Mechanics shows (two a year, Spring and Autumn). An actual enjoyable day oit!
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look into it.
Amusing whingefest.
This ain’t nothin’
I have been riding bikes for 60 years , used to work for some large bike shops, so know the road, I have not been to the NEc for 20 years, since the internet and you tube came into being there was no point in going somwhere where you get right royally ripped off and leave with a bad taste in your mouth. it was interesting when you could buy end of lines or cheap stuff in the market place but those guys have been priced out of attending, i will be surprised if the do the show next year, far better to go to proper shows like eicma
I went every year for 20+ years. But not again. For a start, some other dumb bugger can buy new 'bikes - I'm only buying 2ndhand.
Haven’t been for 10 years, EICMA is so much better as is the local dealer….
My thoughts exactly. The show is too expensive and the bike industry is in the doldrums. I get the impression the Japanese are either complacent or can't see a future in bikes (that's big bikes in western markets, not the eastern commuter stuff) so they're doing the minimum necessary. It's almost like the 60's all over again where a flood of small imports saw off the British bike industry, except this time it's China doing the flooding and Honda et al sitting on their hands.
Looks like it’s blown its own doors off. I did not go and will not again.
Slightly amused by the copycat Chinese comment next to the one brand that has an R&D department 😂😂
Seriously though, the UK market is tiny compared to anything in Asia. If you don't like the bikes that sell well there, you are in trouble 😮
First, you need to brush up on your Italian. Secondly, who pays on the door, paying £4 more. What I don't like is the car park fee and the food costs. Lots of new models on display this year. Good coverage though.
Look at the age demographic, where are the new riders?
Unless you have to absolutely see a bike you can't wait to see in a few months (when they/it arrive/s in the dealers) when it's free why bother. £47ish to enter and park a car, to say nothing of the rip off drink/food prices once you're in there. The days of many retailers and good deals is long gone only a fraction bother going these days. All of these national shows XL, NEC etc are nothing more than a rip off and that's not just bike shows either. As mentioned by another Classic & Motorcycle Mechanics shows, or Carol Nash sponsored shows are way better.
I decided it was best to lose the money of 2 tickets preordered than drive to the other side of the country and spend more on nothing really interesting EICMA was on RUclips
Pay more..get less! Seems to be only consistent theme. Why is it the camping & caravan show can come with complimentary parking but not MCL ??🤔
It’s not just me then. I went last year and wasn’t impressed. Didn’t bother this year. Doesn’t look like it’s going to get any better. Shame really. It does look like the end for the combustion engine. Apart from Kawasaki and the 400 4. Not much special is out there. Was Norton still rolling out Mr Garner’s old bikes.
Don't go to the NeC these days. Too expensive especially the car park which they hope you'll forget about by giving you a free bus ride to the exhibition centre. New bike don't really float my boat these days either. Must be getting old. Bought my last new bike in 2003. Since then it's been used stuff. Last purchase was a 05 Fazer 1000 for less than three grand. Whole lot of bike for the money and I'll defy anyone who says they need more power or speed on the road. Just can't justify spending ten grand plus on something that's not used every day.
'05 Fazers! The best bikes ever made!
Dick, you are forgetting that the average bike rider is incredibly conservative and does not want - or at least distrusts - real innovations. OK, Mr.Average might be persuaded by adaptive cruise control and quickshifters. But as far as real innovations are concerned such as the Yamaha Niken, Honda DCT gearboxes, Honda DN-01 hydrostatic drive , and all Maxi-Scooters and EV's- they are filed away under strange curiosities. They are dismissed simply as "Not Motorcycles As We Know Them". Even the BMW Telelever and Duo-lever still get distrust and wierd looks from the man-in-the-street as well as some journos and we've had Telelever since 1993.
So tell us - what game-changers were you looking forward to at the NEC or hoping for in 2024?
I have not heard a positive comment about the show. Most comments are centred around expensive and poor value for money. Hopefully, people will vote with their feet 🤨
Years ago it was a buzzing place and show. Last year was utter rubbish no atmosphere like a stroll round a showroom and quite empty. Tiny in size compared too. Decided this year no chance. The motorcycle bubble will burst like the cars and housing.. never had new bike or car never will. The mcycle generation are getting older in this country at least there will be so much of an over supply bikes be worth nowt. Wheres the industry lobbying govt for youth motorcycling. Oh yeah it’s dangerous isn’t it. Judging by uninsured immigrants/ auto thefts but having a 250cc motorcycle is bad for you
blame the rich baby boomers
Nah. The Boomers are retired already. It's the Gen X and Yers how never learned how to be adults.
What struck me was how bland and ugly most new models are. The latest sports 600s are easily out performed by any 600 from the 1990s. Parallel twins replacing in line 4s with less power, less torque and less fun. Adventure bikes as big as a truck to travel around the world at £20K+ when in reality it will spend most of its time at 20mph in Wales. The spirit of biking has been lost by corporations devoid of any passion for their own products other than to hit ESG targets.
A brilliant summary of what many, including me, think of this overpriced overrated show.
I'm not interested in any of the new bikes. To much tech on them for me. I stick with classics.
Before Liz Truss? FFS really? She was in office less than 50 days. And you are (partly) blaming her for the cost of bikes?
Not partly… If you don’t understand the damage that brief stint in office did to the UK economy than you certainly are living in a hole.
There's always a tory moron being brainwashed by the Daily Mail.
Yeah but what about the pork markets?
yes. lending costs
Gave up going years ago way to overpriced even for gear . Get it off the web for same discount. Motorcycles are overpriced for the normal working person and I think the Chinese will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Too expensive, entry, food & drink and No bargains (as there used to be). Stopped going.
The M/C industry has gone the way of the hifi industry. Dressing up nothing new into the emperor’s new clothes and slapping a hefty price tag on it. Sanity check…£20k now buys a good used 7 or 8 yr old low miles top spec Lexus RX450h….or a bike from bmw or ducati that doesn’t do anything a bike couldn’t do 8 years ago except be likely worse on reliability😂. Bring on the Lexus!
do they not still have scantily clad ladies posing with the bikes like in the magic time before WOKE
It was terrible this year tbh
Yes, a complete waste of money.