Kevin Smith Get Bisexuals?!? | Chasing Amy Reaction & Review | January Patron Pick!
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A lot of people miss it but the scene where they are comparing scars they got during sex acts is a reference to Jaws straight down to the lighting.
You nailed it in saying Kevin Smith was trying to have the right conversation even if he didn't nail it. People who weren't at least teenagers in the 90s will never know how virulently homophobic, misogynistic, and downright hateful the language and attitudes could be. Having real conversations like this flatly didn't happen in movies, Kevin Smith straight up made people uncomfortable in his movies because he was talking in a way they weren't ready for.
It's also HOW conversations were had in the 90s. Bisexuality kind of didn't exist in the 90s. If you were a bi woman and you wanted to date women, you had to present yourself as a lesbian. Look at Willow on Buffy. She is presented as a lesbian, not bi.
If you caught a dick, you were kind of excommunicated from your queer group. Or you were a LUG. Or, on the other hand, you went from straight to lesbian. I remember a lot of older women coming out as lesbians later in life at the time and I was so confused by it. Like how did you have years of sex with men if you're a lesbian? Because you're bi. Things like this were why it took me so long to figure out I was bi. I just felt broken until the 2010s. It's still hard to be bi in a lot of queer female spaces.
I think this movie also shows/demonstrates how holding people certain ways of speaking can get in the way of honest, imperfect conversations that are necessary to make society better for queer people
I love Chasing Amy, but Dogma is still my favorite Smith film. I want Smith to make a superhero film where it’s just the hero and the villains talking.
Fun fact: The first 3 movies all have a Jones sister in them. Alyssa in Chasing Amy, Trish “the dish“ in Mallrats and Heather in Clerks.
And holden has a twin in mallrats.
Foreward: Im from the generation of the Kevin Smith genre, i grew up with these movies.
So, It's amazingly fascinating watching you guys react and hearing how you view these circumstances and the mindset the characters. Being queer in the 90s was just so monumentally different, queer was still a slur then. The solidarity of gay circles was very family, very I've got your back You've Got mine because coming out was even more dangerous at the time. Those of us in small minded communities would look at the big city gays and desperately pine to have their freedom to walk around with people like them. This film does illustrate beautifully the lack of understanding we had as a community back then about how sexuality and gender is a spectrum and also a reliance on defining yourself with stereotypes.
*Foreword perhaps ?
Fun fact: During the "What's a Nubian?" scene, one of the comic writers on the panel - Bryan White - is longtime Kevin Smith crewmember Brian Lynch. He would later go on to screenwrite Puss in Boots, Minions, and the Secret Life of Pets, among several others.
As a bisexual from the Texas/Louisiana/Arkansas border area who was outed in high school in the early 90s, I think you guys did us a disservice by skipping over the scene of her lesbian friends "outing her" as bisexual. We were not only erased but often openly mocked. It was not until we took back "queer" as a unifying term of pride and solidarity that I felt my bisexuality was fully accepted in the LGBTQ community, as it is today. I think Kevin Smith was way ahead of his time in dealing with these issues. Glad I found your channel. New subscriber!
Also, #BWithTheT 💙💗💜✊🏽🏳️⚧️
Well said.
Fun trivia fact -- Kevin Smith had the awesome Guinevere Turner (American Psycho, Go Fish, etc.), who is a lesbian and brilliant writer/actress, do a sensitivity read on an early draft, to see if what he wrote was okay with her. She makes a cameo as the singer in the lounge scene, and reportedly gave him a guarded thumbs-up and felt he had done a decent job (which I agree with).
Meanwhile, great reaction, and it was a lot of fun to revisit this with y'all, since I haven't seen it in probably 20 years. I loved it then and still think it holds up pretty well -- it's a nice snapshot of a time and place. And as someone who's bi as well, I especially appreciated both of your reactions and commentary here -- I agreed with both of you. I thought it was weird and insensitive for Holden to use Alyssa's real name and image in the comic book itself, and that it would've been better if the whole thing had been fictionalized, about "Amy," with at most a simple dedication/apology to "Alyssa."
Also -- I've always thought the ending quietly implied that Banky was now out and gay. Was it just me?! (And I thought Jason Lee was superb in a really difficult role -- Banky could have come off as vile, but Lee manages to humanize him.)
The "professional con dude" was Joe Quesada, former Marvel/DC artist/writer, former Marvel editor-in-chief, former Marvel Chief Creative Officer, and a lot of other things.
I think the ending being so weird is what really makes the movie. Would've been a tragedy if a straight guy tried to properly explain queerness in the 90s and it ended any other way than "Well bless your heart, you tried, but that was weird af"
This is such a solid take. I’ve been thinking a lot about this movie since we recorded and I like this movie a lot.
@@NerdyNightly I do too. I don't think it always succeeds, but as someone who's also bi, I do think it was trying to say something important and resonant about queer culture as well as the overall fluidity of human sexuality decades before it was even a conversation in the mainstream.
I was 25 when this movie came out. I wasn't dumb, but I had no context to ANY real gender/sexuality nuance having grown up in a relatively rural Ohio area. This movie was the beginning for me to grow and understand others as a person. It seems clunky now, and a bit problematic, but it was very helpful for my growth as a hopefully decent human being.
I've seen Kevin Smith speak about this movie and a lot of the conversations that he wanted to have and wanting to represent the queer community honestly came from his love for his brother. He loves his brother dearly and the vitriol that was just part of every day and the media then, was awful. He wanted to do something that was in his power to do.
Though clearly flawed I think the strength of this film is illustrated by the conversation you had after watching it.
This is my favorite Kevin Smith movie and looking back maybe its sad but it really opened my eyes to a bunch of topics I had never seen or heard of before. I think its thought provoking especially when it came out. I really love how conversations seem way more real in Kevin's movies even if the dialogue is pretty wild at times. He really made special movies that seem so unique. I would love to see Clarus watch Clerks even though it was sort of spoiled I guess. Maybe if yall wait long enough for her to forget.
Hope yall are having a great day, it was very interesting to get your perspective on this!
This movie changed my life. I saw it at like 19 and hadn't yet left my insular religious hometown. This film guided me through so much of the conversation and helped me come to terms with my own sexuality. It was great hanging out with you guys as you reacted and reflected on your own journeys.
I adore this film. I remember how Polarizing the conversations surrounding same sex relationships were in the 90s. Kevin Smith won a GLAAD award AND near universal condemnation for this film.
Chasing Amy and Dogma are masterpieces
Holden drawing her holds true with his character. Not only with Jay and Bob, but the street lamp. Holden is a avatar for Kevin. Kev writes based off of people he knows.
Loved seeing you react to this! Please Please do a Clerks react/rewatch too 🤣🤣
One of my favorite films of all time. I just love Kevin Smith’s films, but this one in particular means so much to me personally. It’s just such an honest and funny flick.
I’m really looking forward to seeing your reaction to Clerks 3
Yes Ethan Suplee is in American History X and in Kevin Smith Mallrats as well, he is the one staring at the 3d picture trying to see the sailboat
Oooo, rest of the View Askewniverse please.
She never lied to him, just didn't mention every one she had sex with before they got together.
There are fun View Askewniverse comics, including the current Quick Stops series.
I really enjoyed the reaction and I just wanted to say that I don't think there is any reason you shouldn't react to something that one of you has already seen. Seeing someone's first reaction to something is fun but it's also fun to watch someone share something that is important to them with someone.
"Viewaskuniverse" comes from View Askwe Productions, the company Smith and Scott Mosier founded to make the movies.
Kevin Smith's best movie. Really surprised that this is the one you haven't seen.
This reminds me a bit of Bob Fingerman's comic Minimum Wage. It has the same tone and there's a great relationship at the center. I highly suggest reading it. There's a collected edition available.
If you haven't seen it, watch Ghost World, based on the alternative comic. It's not about ghosts.
BTW printers might require a minimum amount to justify printing the comic.
I absolutely LOVE how you two can talk openly about yourselves, I am a gay, Bi male from Texas, I can't talk that way, unless I am in my house with my boyfriend. It's so un-nerving to not be able to share your weekend activities, or even thoughts for that matter with your coworkers and friends. I want to say "My BF and I had a great vacation, or dinner, or just SOMETHING, but I would be out of a job, and out of society. I love you guys, I'm praying on a time where everyone is equally respected for their life choices. ~Kisses~ N
I was about to say "Deck 8 on the Norwegian Bliss? Where were you? Sugarcane Mojito Bar. The geltao place was closed every time I stopped by.
Sailed the Bliss to Bermuda November 2022. Loved the ship.
I shall have to watch the ending more carefully again. But I was always under the impression he had the print run but never sold the issue. Though, thinking about it, it makes sense that he would have from the line early and tying up the narrative about him never having something honest to himself to write about (paraphrased there as the RUclips edit didn't recount these lines to my recollection).
I think this is my favorite of your reactions and I would love to see more Kevin Smith movie reactions.
This was the movie that ultimately led to the Warner Brothers meeting that led to Kevin Smith almost writing Superman: Reborn, which ended up going to Tim Burton.
3:37 Ethan Suplee can now bench press all of us. Look him up. He’s all muscle on muscle.
This is by far the most underrated Kevin Smith movies ever. IMO it's the best one he's ever made, but nobody ever talks about it.
Some actors who've been in his previous movies play new characters, some of them play the same characters. That's the View-Askewinverse.
PLEASE continue these!
ah Clarus you've managed to dodge Kevin Smith movies for this long 😮 - Well maybe you should check out Dogma
The Film is semi biographical based on Kevin Smith and Joey Lauren Adams relationship.
The song she sang was original... she first pitched it as a country song. It’s all Joey Lauren Adams!
It was also a big deal for kev Smith. He dated her for a while
Clarus: Because he’s in the closet
Nerdy: Well, I don’t think that’s true
Me: *laughing in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back*
Love Kev. Fuck the haters. His podcasts are also great AF.
No "pure" way to do art. Kevin does what he does like any other artist. You kids...jeez
Hey guys great reaction, new subscriber here I love Kevin Smith movies.
For me chasing Amy is his most important film, you can argue Dogma, sure but Chasing Amy was the first time that Kevin took a Comedy and actually tackled a serious subject matter.
For me I watch the film and take all the lessons and be like ok don't be a jerk and don't let your hung ups become stupid obsessions.
I just happened upon you two tonight, like 30+ minutes ago. Fascinating reaction, am adoring the conversation at the end...still have like 20 minutes to go.
I'm a writer. Was a sports writer for 20+ years, telling other people's stories.
The books I've written (not comics) were about personal experiences that I felt had a broader message. And yet, at least in the ones that involved more direct friends, ex'es, etc...definitely changed names, or only used part of their names.
So I get that part of it, from the guy. But I also think you two are agreeing in the overall broader sense.
And I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly, I think Jayson Mewes (Jay) is Bi...so I think Kevin has gotten Bi all along...and as a writer/former editor...did you mean Kevin Smith get(s) Bisexuals? That is why I made that reference to Jay.
29:20 great Rent reference. I immediately started singing with you 😂
One my favorite movies in general. She should watch Clerks.
View Askew is the name of his production company
I didn't think this when I first saw the movie, but Holden's Chasing Amy comic is another version of his threesome proposal. The version where he kept the name as Amy, and didn't use her likeness is obviously better, and I would add the detail that because Holden can't come up with a face from his own imagination, he modeled comic Amy on Banky.
Would love for you to do more Kevin Smith movies!
i got to go see his podcast Hollywood Babble-On back in 2012 in Reno, such a great show and then got a picture with him and jason mewes at either reno comic-con or sacramento comic-con, kevin smith was freaking out over my Walter White costume
Clerks 3 was pretty good
Amazing movie. I am from NJ so I have been a huge kevin Smith fan for years. Clerks and mallrats are still 2 of my favorite movies.
I think it is 100% in-character that Nerdy likes Kevin Smith.
I'm about a year late for this and maybe someone already commented on this (but I didn't read all 107 comments), and you kinda touched on it but I think the idea of Alyssa being in his comic at the end was made for the dumb audience. I know that Kevin Smith once said (in the Dogma commentary?) that in Dogma they had to put little ribbons on the vent to the A/C so the audience could see it blowing otherwise a good number of them wouldn't understand that air was blowing. If they were to have a comic with someone that looked like someone else and with a different name then I'm sure people out there wouldn't understand what it was about. Having her face and name in there basically slaps you across the face with it so there is no question as to what's going on.
Of course there is still the whole thing about changing the ending to get by all of that stuff but I do think it's a bit sweet how it ended and maybe we can imagine in the real canon it wasn't so obviously her. Otherwise that comic should've included a check for likeness rights. Or maybe Holden was just trying to pull the same scheme he did with Jay and Silent Bob and draw whomever he wants and try to not pay for the rights until they complain about it.
Great watch though. I feel bad I didn't discover this until a year later. Not sure how many shows Kevin Smith does anymore (I've been to one) but I know they have a bunch of them on DVD. An Evening with Kevin Smith, where he toured different colleges and such. Tells some hilarious stories in some of them. In case you were unaware.
Graphic novel memoirs should be a thing...but not like published without permission...lol
Or, change the names to protect identities.
Im here for the bisexual representation.
Woot woot bisexual visibility!
Bisexuals have -2 to Sneak checks…
Represent!
I think the part you guys were saying about the use of the "D" word these days kind of equates to the use of the "N" word by black people. As a black man, I don't use the word, but I know a lot of black men who use it.
Comic-con in Canada ? The polite Comic-con !
This is based on a real relationship that Smith F’ed up because he was too immature to handle her past.
What happened to the lights? I thought they were starting to fail in the last video too. 🤣
Holden just sucks. That's the alternate title to the film. "Holden Sucks".
Dogma was my first Kevin Smith movie and is still my favourite, but this one is better than it gets credit for.
Kevin Smith's comment when asked if he would ever make a science fiction movie: "I already did: Chasing Amy. Because you ask any lesbian, that would never happen. Not even, and maybe especially, if the guy was Ben f-ing Affleck."
As a bisexual, though, I appreciated it more than the "treacherous bi first girlfriend" that was common in lesbian movies at the time.
The vast majority of folks think it's the best thing he's ever done - even more than Clerks - so I'm not sure how much more credit it can get.
He really hung up on the comic book at the end. It’s odd.
Love this movie. As for the ending idk why I always assumed the comic was just for her lol
31:23 and Daredevil, he could beat you up even blindfolded
View askew was the name of his production company :)
A person's past matters.
An extremely underrated masterpiece.
Please react to Clerks 3, ohmygoodneeeessssss
Very fortuitous thunder clap... not written as all the rain was
I always got the implication he used amy for the story and only said alyssa in the ending as a specific call out.... i concede it's only marginally better, but we also don't know how true to life it was outside of the swing scene which was probably nearly verbatim...
Amusingly when I was younger chasing Amy was my favorite of the askew films, though as I got older I matured enough to see both sides
And then ironically I ended up with a woman who presented herself as a lesbian because she had given up on men- we were together almost 8 years and had three kids.
What's the exact year of this movie?
1997 was the film's debut year.
Chasing Amy is the first Kevin Smith movie I saw and my favorite. Also, I didn’t enjoy Clerks
Yes Holden is a hack. Go watch C3. KS is always fighting internal demons. So Holden tracks.
Wow, you sure did mention someone being a "white man" a lot. One thing that was better in the 90's was the obsession with someones race wasn't as big as it has become. People were just people.
Dogma is my personal favorite KS movie; this one was so bleeding edge in the day, but suffers from the 'magic dick cures lesbian' thing that didn't age well. On the other hand, this ain't no Gili and I still enjoy it.
Your intro, talking about Kevin Smith is waaaaay off, in the 90's and early 2000's Kevin Smith was like THE Indie guy and has a huge cult following it isn't till as of late he started making bad movies I would say "Tusk" was his last good/alright movie, but I'm glad your showing her the Veiw Askew universe
View Askew is the production company that Kevin Smith and Brian Moser started.
Scott Mosier.
Given Kevin Smith's connection to comic books, I always took this as somewhat autobiographical and maybe the ending was his way of apologizing to a woman in his past. Not sure how true that is, but it makes a little more sense of the ending.
Allegedly the woman he is apologizing to is Joey Lawrence Adams. They dated for a time. Though, some of the detailed aren’t true to their relationship.
Funny to see you praise Kevin Smith's directing so much, as Smith himself has always said he sucks at it, and mostly just plops the camera down and hopes his writing can carry the scene.
Show that Young lady Clerks, Jesus
Couple things. 1. AWESOME reaction. 2. Everyone has a past. (Not comfortable speaking on mine) 3. 💯 watch the rest of the Askewniverse. 4. Language changes all the time. I've never heard "Beatch" used more than in the queer community. 5. 54:30 I can't speak to the queer side of things but, any movie, or show, that has a military funeral with a folding of a flag I can't watch without crying. Because I actually experienced it. I was a Rock at 34 of the 36 funerals I've been to. I cried at the first (my great grandmother) and the last (my grandfather). He was a vet, sent off with shots and a folded flag. Since then i just can't without losing myself in the sorrow. Sorry, way too much in a post for a 5 month old video. Watch the rest of the movies in the Universe!
????? In the 90s you didn't out people just because someone liked them.
Just pray those were beard hairs 🫣
Wasn't hair from his beard
Ok, so... Clerks when?
The first maybe half of this movie is pretty good. The rest is a white hot mess! 😫
the jaws reference/call back scene is great! 😃
Lied? The world is different. Clearly.
Marc Bernardin is really awesome so you two should go to the Star Wars bar and watch a live podcast of Fatman Beyond with Marc and Kevin Smith.
I try to but they've canceled the last two times we were in LA... Gonna see it eventually though!
Asknewuniverse name came about from the original production company that helped make clerks
Opening seemed so scripted, I couldn’t stick around for the actual reaction.
Love Fatman Beyond
No one thinks that
I feel like the progression of the lgb got fucked up by the TQ aspect. Like it is soooo much more annoying now days. It puts a bad name on some really good people who are gay or lesbian or bisexual.
You guys don’t get it
42 days to......
It's an amazing movie until Holden's insecurity derails the story. It comes out of nowhere and is just such an immature concern for a character that seemed pretty open minded. But maybe it's just that part that he had in common with Banky, that shared lifeview so maybe Holden had been conditioned to feel that
Really, two camps? I don't belong to either one, I don't think he's brilliant and I don't think he's the worst filmmaker ever. I think he's got a unique style that's fun and interesting but 'brilliant' is a stretch. He's made some good movies and some not very good ones, none that are my favorite or least favorite.
Well, that attitude is never going to boost engagement...
Your dismissal way of saying "straight people" isn't cool. It's on the same par with straights saying "gay people" ... give your head a shake
I didn't even know yall were bi before this and now it might be my favorite reaction from you. 🥲🥺
It's the name of his production company guys...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/View_Askew_Productions