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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2019
- www.patreon.com/vbbsmyt. The Danish Madsen light machine-gun was originally designed in 1902 and has been in use for over 100 years. It's very compact design uses a hinged bolt modelled on the Martini Rifle action. When a barrel becomes worn it can be quickly replaced by a new unit consisting of barrel, barrel extension, bolt and feed lever. As the assembly has been set up at the factory or workshop no adjustments are needed in the field. Integated barrel and bolt assemblies can be made for a wide variety of cartridges, and these can be mounted in the Madsen frame without any further changes. Animation created using Cinema 4D. Music credits are shown at the end of the movie.
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I really love the design. This martini action plus the short recoil result in a short and compact receiver.
As Ian Hogg said, the amazing thing about the Madsen is not that it worked worked well, but it simply worked at all.
@Herbert Norkus: To be fair, when developed hardly anyone other than a few people had an idea of how a machine gun worked. Consider how many patents were filed by Maxim, his company, John Browning and others that actually saw the light of day, of all those the Madsen, was both innovative and in some ways practical.
Whereas most other early designs didn't see further development other than some use of limited concepts, it seems that like the Maxim, the Madsen could work for a while with good quality black powder and Madsen's manufacturers never found the need to improve the design to more closely reflect the new smokeless powders.
Ian hoog is a total dilettante an idiot. He thinks he knows something about guns. Thats all.
@@waliza001 You clearly know nothing about Ian Hogg. Also Ian Hogg ‘is’ not anything. He has been dead for nearly twenty years, and was widely regarded as one of the world’s leading authorities on firearms, artillery, and fortifications.
@@waliza001 Oh wait. You were referring to ‘Ian Hoog.’ I have no idea who that guy is.
@@CaptainLumpyDog Dead? Thanks God.
This was an extremely advanced weapon when it was designed and produced. Amazing design.
Now I finally understand why they said it was a tilting or hinged bolt. Thanks for this.
The very first light machine gun, compact and light, also the very first LMG to become a GPMG.
And it operates kind of like a a Martini-Henry with the falling block style of bolt assembly.
The Danish revolutionized machinegun doctrine right when LMGs were even becoming an actual thing.
Your second line...
read the description.
@@neptune3569
I just read the first line of the description, but it's commom knowledge that Madsen Rifles and MGs operate on this action.
Madsen also invented the semi auto rifle.
Wait, did Madsen invent the semi-automatic rifle? I'd have thought they would've been around earlier. What is the model of rifle you're talking about?
You debate on that, the Madsen company produced two variaties of semi automatic rifles around the end of the 1800', the Madsen-Rasmussen 1888 and 1896 (the latter saw limited adoption by the Danish Royal Navy), both operating on the same system of the Madsen MG more or less, the 1888 just didn't have a magazine but had a flip up fixed stripper clip to hold ammo instead.
Although around this time other designers came up with something, a Swedish designer by the name of Friberg designed a flapper locked rifle in the 1870' and then actually buit them in the 1880' (Don't have a date), as well as an italian designer, Amerigo Cei Rigotti designed his rifle in late 1880'-90'.
It's a little hazy, but the first more or less practical semi auto rifle was the Rasmussen, while the first rifle to see mass adoption by a major military was the mexican Mondrágon 1908.
Thank you. Even after watching the gun described on other channels I had a hard time visualizing a falling block machine gun. The time spent on all the different “camera angles” is appreciated
Still used in an unofficial capacity in the slums of Rio de Janeiro by the police chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO.
why they are using that old gun?
That's awesome
@@defenderofp.1179 You use what you can get, or what you have. Being that it is used unofficially means that the Police cannot aquire a more up to date automatic weapon, unlike the bad guys.
There is an old saying, "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight". That is to say you bring a weapon at least equal to what you expect to encounter.
I don’t see why you would want to use this gun for anything other than leisure or collecting. There are not many Madsens out there, the gun is complicated, finding replacement parts is likely next to impossible, it is akward and it is about as heavy as many modern belt fed machine guns.
They use it because Brazil ordered a bunch of them in 7.62x51 back in the 50's and they still work just fine.
Brilliant can’t thank you enough, you were a massive help in my last job. Cheers Phil
Appreciate the incredible work you do on these videos. Thank You
Thank you for making this animation! You made my week!
Beautiful design and animation.
Thats a clever little mouse trap of a gun.
Love this gun. It's amazing and beautiful and surprisingly complex. Great video.
Were used by Argentine Army as a workhorse. Even were mounted on Nahuel tanks. Nowadays are in museums. Some rumors says that Prefectura Naval are still using it, in Paraná, without changing the 7.65 x 53 mm ammunition, but, again, are rumors.
Long time ago, a guy told me that the mechanism is very complex, that is like to ensemble a furniture from IKEA. Well, i'm not familiar with IKEA furniture, but imo, that mechanism doesn't look that complex.
Well done Rob well done . I didn´t understand the mechanism even after Ian video on forgotten weapons but now i do.
One of the best guns!
Another great animation. Thank you
Amazing illustrations
Makes first machine gun..
Over-engineered...
Works and remains in service with many world militaries at least 5 decades later.
I’d say the madden did alright for itself.
The guy who create this animation must be a rare mechanical genious.
Madsen was complicated built but also reliable, just like the Luger was.
I mean, in some ways, yeah, but compared to a lot of other LMGs, that’s pretty damn simple. It’s basically a full auto Martini-Henry rifle, which is pretty stupidly awesome in and of itself.
Your profile is legendary
@@DuckiestBoat959
it is?
It's like an automatized Martini rifle, very strange but reliable. Today it is in service with some brazilian policies, in .308 caliber conversion.
Literally my favorite gun of all time
Why?
@@neptune3569 the mechanism is super cool
Well, this gun is weird but amazing at the same time, is a model basic but incredible when is working, i love the sound sof shot, is very nice, nice video, you work with this 3d models is awesome bro, i love your videos, have a nice day and grettings from México, you're awesome =3
Good work.
Apparently it’s not a bad gun to shoot at all, despite constantly looking like it could fall apart any minute. Apparently early prototypes were gravity-fed.
отличная работа! большое спасибо!
Excellent !
Superb video
This is madness!
No. This is Madsen!
Гениальная по всем параметрам машинка! Особенно для уровня технологий того времени.
It's funny how they made this gun thinking "well, this is as simple as it gets, perfect".
Yey the madsen is awesome :)
Bravo sir.
Ótimo trabalho parabéns
Essas metralahdoras era usada pela polícia do Brasil até início de 2000
it is art
Очень интересное и показательные действие автоматики, (короткого хода ствола) КРАСИВАЯ ГРАФИКА.
@wood1155 he called you names! Can't have that!
The world needs a M1 garand animation^^
And a lever action too :D
Not much of a lever guy, but i definitely second the M1!
I know someone who has a Garand with the gas port plugged. He has a heavy straight pull until he unplugs it or gets a new barrel.
yess!
That mechanism looks both expensively complicated and reliable.
You disassembled one?
Yes, well mostly. I did not disassemble the trigger mechanism as the 1912 model I looked at has a different trigger mechanism from my drawings. I shall post a few photos on my vbbsmyt facebook page. Rob
Мадсен благодаря такой замене внутренной ствольной трубки, получается мог питаться любыми патронами того времени?
Make one of the belt fed version. That thing was even weirder.
Video super !
What version of the Madsen is this one? Also, was the 30 round double stack magazine something introduced at some later time after WWI? I've always known the Madsen to be an open bolt gun, but why is it closed bolt in C&Rsenal's Project Lightening? Did this version have a semi auto function and if so how did it work? I think the Madsen is one of my favorite in most mechanically interesting guns.
Daniel. The animation was built from drawings originating from the Hythe small arms establishment, and are from the early 1920's I believe. These drawings are clearly firing from open bolt. However.... the gun I examined was a model 1912 and used a different trigger arrangement, and fired from a closed bolt. Project Lightening also used this model. I have posted a picture of the 1912 trigger on my Facebook (vbbsmyt). This has caused endless confusion - drawings not matching the manual or real examples, so I have gone with the drawings. With the 1912 model, it is easy to see how single shot/semi automatic can be achieved, but I cannot for the life of me work out how semi automatic fire could be achieved from the Hythe drawings, so I have quietly ignored the issue. Rob
@@vbbsmyt I understand, thanks
So, it predates the BRA.
What a great piece of kit for its day.
Why didn’t it catch-on?
Mags for this seem pretty common
That extractor might be a bit over engineered, ha. Also I think the hammer...double hammer might had been able to get by with a few less parts. That being said, as you showed, it did make caliber conversions rather easy.
Very cool!! Show me more.
You missed the 6,5x53R Dutch Madsen, used by the KNIL, and also by the Japanese in New Guinea and The Solomons.
I have a 500 rd. TIN of 6,5 Nr1 with both KNIL and Japanese Markings...sealed.
Doc AV
It looks like this gun don't like contamination. Especially in case extractor mechanism and cartridge insertion. But it still in use by some paramilitary forces. Just wonder...
This is my first see Thai gun review
Excellent video! The function of the parts is very well explained. May I ask if a quick change of barrel is possible? (or how many minutes take to change a barrel in battle conditions). Thanks and cheers.
The Madsen has an integrated barrel and breech block and the complete unit is swapped out and replaced with a new unit, in about the time shown in the animation.
@@vbbsmyts fast enough! Much better than some lmg designed years later. Thanks for your answer and cheers. Magnificent series of educational videos.
Tiver a oportunidade de usar uma
Ainda não vi uma rajada de 762 tão potente
Some o This Guns , the police use in Brazil , but , the majority are in museuns , like the militar police museum in São Paulo.
Do they still use it?
@@user-rv6sh8ej4o more ir less , they use Just sometimes , but it's a só imprecisious gun só almost time it's Just in arsenal or with traficants , but one madsen os in police museum that it's the perfect place for a histórical gun like madsen.
Will you do ZB 26 ?
Im sorry but how tf could anyone design something so advanced in 1902. Definitely feels like aliens helped out XD
I worder what part is considered to be the hammer since the part that is propelled by a spring hits another part which then hits the firing pin. Or does that count as 2 hammers?
Dear vbbsmyt, can you do an animation of the St Etienne M 1907? That would be fantastic!
Is that m1922 or 24???
eccentric
Un the argentina the Variant existed 11,5 × 60 anti aircraft
What‘s the story behind the Madsen‘s in 7,62x54R. I‘ve seen photos of then in Latvia but couldn’t find any information on them
The Russians bought more than a thousand of them for use by the cavalry. They were also the first ones to use any light machinegun in combat, deploying it in the Russo-Japanese war.
Firefly thanks for the info. Someone should really write a comprehensive book on the Madsen.
@@borkwoof696 Agreed, it's an incredibly important and historically significant firearm. Glad I could help.
Супер, если можно хотелось бы увидеть работу конструкции пулемета Горюнова
1:04 I can see that the cartridge pusher moves out of the way because the blue part goes up a ramp on the barrel/bolt assembly. However, what causes the pusher to go the other way and push a cartridge into the path of the bolt? Is there a surface that contacts the blue piece when the barrel/bolt moves backwards that I'm just not seeing?
Daniel. There is a strong spring in the 'feeder' which tends to rotate it to the 'pushed-in' position. However, while the barrel assembly is recoiling, the fresh cartridge prevents the feeder from rotating inwards until the opening in the barrel extension is fully aligned with the cartridge 1:06. Then on the forward motion, the blue lug rides up on the ramp to turn the feeder outwards. Rob
@@vbbsmyt Ah, that seems obvious to me now. I saw the spring but I didn't think what it was for
Imagine trying to clean this..
Конструктор этого чуда ваще извращенец!
A selectfire fall block rifle.
No spring ind the mag.
Alien gun!)
Aren't the magazines actually gravity operated, not spring?
No. Magazines were spring loaded. The firing rate of a gun with a gravity-fed magazine is limited by the time it takes for the next cartridge to fall into position, and this is determined by Gravity. Try to fire the gun too fast and it jams.
@@vbbsmyt Thanks for clearing up a misconception
Am I wrong or there were a version with 12.7 mm ammo?
Довольно сложная конструкция пулемета. И как для тех времен очень интересная. Посложней пулемета Максим у Мадсена система, это однозначно. Хотя Максим станковый пулемет, а Мадсен все же ручной. Интересно, кто сложней - пулемет Мадсена или Льюиса?
im surprised when barrel changing actually changes whole gun
that because it's the field strip, the gun is working on a long recoil action, and the bolt being a tipping bolt, the two are tied together by the barrel extension
@@quentintin1 thank you for the clear explanation
I kind of like this gun. I hope someone can make this into a belt fed.
www.forgottenweapons.com/belt-fed-madsen-tank-gun/
@@903strikerunit Wow, it already exists!
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At 1:46 what prevents the pink pin and the bolt from falling back down the track when it initially starts moving backward? Is the pin spring loaded and there's a shelf in the receiver that I can't see? This shelf would allow the pin to pass over it upwards but prevent it from going downwards. Could it just be pure friction, although I wouldn't trust it?
Daniel. Good question. The pin is not spring loaded, see photos on Facebook. In operation, the barrel assembly will be moving too fast for gravity to deflect the bolt downwards, but that leaves the posibiity of it getting trapped when slooooly cocking the gun. Perhaps the gunners are instructed to operate the cocking leaver 'smartly'. Otherwise this must be one of the mysteries of why a Madsen works.
@@vbbsmyt I can't seem to find anyhting on facebook. Is it the profile that says Rob Brassington (vbbsmyt)? Maybe a link would help. Anyways, that's very surprising that they would allow a flaw like that. The shelf and spring loaded pin mechanism works just fine in other one way rotation mechanisms like zig zag revolvers
Yes that is me. I'm new to Facebook and not very good at it. Perhaps that why I have few friends....
@@vbbsmyt I can find the profile, but I can't find the pictures?
S*D it!. I cannot get my head around Facebook - try this dropbox link www.dropbox.com/sh/3ji3mefw95uj2vy/AAAL5BGyreauD_-_gbjIi5nQa?dl=0
7.65 x 53 Argentino
Which Madsen is this modeled after? Because at least the early ones had no spring in the mags, and instead relied on gravity to feed rounds.
Probably 1920 ish. Drawings (well sketches) were undated. I find it difficult to understand why springs were not used. At a firing rate of 450 rounds per minute (7-8 per second) gravity feed would not keep up. Even the hand driven machine guns, Gatling, Gardner, had difficulty feeding rounds under gravity at higher rates of fire (nowhere near the Madsen rate). Can you quote the reference springless magazines?
@@vbbsmyt He might be referring to the semi auto rifles that the lmg was based on.
vbbsmyt all I could find is just brief mentions that the Madsen was gravity fed. Interestingly, Small Arms Review said “its top magazine feed allowed gravity to enhance its entry into the mechanism...” indicating that it does have a spring like a BREN gun. Oddly still this video seems to be the only view of the magazine internals that I was able to find.
That makes sense - having the cartridges above the gun improves feed as the spring does not have to force heavy cartridges up against gravity as in the BAR. The manual for the 1912 model requires the loaded cartridges to be secured by the external spring, implying an internal spring that would force them out otherwise. I am happy that the spring style in the video is correct for the 1920 model but I did not examine the spring in 1912 magazine, but I have seen the folding spring design in the early Borchard automatic pistol (1893) designs so it is not unusual.
vbbsmyt doing some more digging, it appears that the Madsen had a magazine spring at least as far back as the 1904 model. However, there was a 1912 model that was a pure gravity fed (though the magazine does have a different shape) www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/manuals/Madsen%201904%201912%20comparison.pdf
8*50R Mann(A-H;M88 Cart); 8*56R Au S-Pat., With Your permission, Sir.
Nice animation of what can only be described as a most unlikely contraption to serve as a "automatic rifle."
and 8 x50 Siamese
Fuzil PMERJ Brazil
Can you do legendary bar and bren?
ruclips.net/video/6sp7AHe6jqE/видео.html. Check out my vbbsmyt channen for other animations
ЛайкоцЫт!
Crazy af 🤒🤔🎉😢😃
Where is 8x52 Siamese 🥲
Alright fess up, who here only knows about this gun because of Forgotten Weapons?
No, Reptilicus (1961), brought me here.
The police in my state still uses these in 7.62×51 NATO
а вот как вытащить гильзу которую раздуло в казённике?
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Weird action.
I nees 3000000 of those to buy ok
damn that's cuckoo clock
Video super !