Two things I want--no make that three: Cabal allies, Eliksni (fallen) allies, and a huge raid or mission where we all go to war against the hive, worm gods, and the darkness itself. EDIT: so apparently my insane idea was actually prophetic, huh.
"Ghaul believes in a better class of guardian" That made me think about there's maybe a small part of Ghaul that want's us to defeat him and to maybe validate the Traveler's choice in us and prove we are far stronger than even we know by giving us an opponent who pushes us farther to extinction than any other foe.
I'm becoming increasingly confused as to what exactly "The Darkness" IS. Is it a physically tangible energy source or is it just a representation of how races like the Hive, Taken and Vex close in like a dark cloud? Clearly the Fallen aren't really part of the Darkness and it's starting to seem like the Cabal aren't either so it's seeming more and more like an abstract concept without an actual, specific definition.
John Finn I like to think it's like the light. it can empower those that fight for it. but much like the traveller, it's a living creature. but it has no frorm, so it need others.
At the beginning of Destiny, I thought it was some kind of energy source that all the enemy classes feed off of to enhance their powers or perhaps they were born out of it to begin with but that clearly isn't the case with the Fallen and Cabal. Really makes you wonder how much difference there actually is between the Traveler and the Darkness. Maybe they're 2 sides of the same coin
John Finn I see them based on the warriors that fight for them. the traveller is honorable and 'commands' through respect, such as the guardians, and sorta the fallen. while the darkness does it through fear, such as the hive.
John Finn these days, the Darkness is whatever actively fights against the Traveler and its soldiers. The Hive/Taken are definitely the probable original species of Darkness. The Vex joined because their vision of time probably stated that they needed to join with the Darkness to survive. Theose factions are definitely the major players of the actual Darkness. As for the Fallen and the Cabal, they're pushed by their own agendas, not those of the Darkness. I'd say they're actually minor powers that survived the Darkness, but their hunger for the Traveler's Light puts them in the same basket with the others from our point of view.
Now that season of the chosen has come out this theory is gaining more fruit because it is told by Caiatl herself that the Cabal home world fell to the Darkness or the Hive which explains why Ghaul wanted the Light.
"Without victory, we cant go home" Might be a type of war cry in reference to the theory that the Cabal homeworld was taken by Oryx. Meaning they lost their home and only in victory over the Darkness can they finally reclaim their world.
I personally love the story of D2 that the fact we have this foe who doesn't want to destroy the travel but feels as though the cabal were supposed to wield the power of the light.
Thank you for your kind words giving recognition to the events here in the U.K. Wasn't sure if these events even made the news in the US. My thoughts also go out to those effected by these tragedies.
6:50 Actually Cayde-6 mentions something about the cabal being banished from the empire and aren't allowed to return unless they are victorious during on of the missions
Great video. I posed this idea to Beard Grizzly awhile back and your video supports my assertion imho: namely, that due to both their more secular nature and military doctrine and assets, the Cabal would be the most likely, and most useful, to be 'flipped' and turned into allies.
I would love to get a lore video on the warminds and Rasputin followed by your speculation about the Warmind DLC in Destiny 2 is. I just want to hear your voice talking about my favorite topic in Destiny. I love the warmind architecture and the lore behind them
Now, this makes sense, but my favorite lore is all concerning the Vex. They are just so very interesting to me, so, once you spoke of Cabal Guardians I instantly thought of what the Vex could do with the light. Imagine that, they would be utterly unstoppable (which they already should be seeing they have access to portals through space and time). Just something to think about.
Idk if I am reading too much into it but in the Book of Sorrows Verse XXXVIII, " But while Oryx traveled to observe the Deep destroy an ancient fortress world" I just thought that kind of ties into the Cabal, not encountering Oryx, but the Deep/Darkness, and resulting in them fleeing and looking for a way to fight back.
This is compelling AF, the Cabal really do seem to be on (roughly) the same side of the war as we are but Gary blew up my vault so I owe him a teabagging.
Honestly, bungie should hire you because your speculative backstory is much more compelling and contains so much more depth than the orphan issues they gave Gaul.
My friend and I were talking about this exact topic last week and came to the same conclusion. We also talked about a lot of people complaining about us fighting an enemy that is already in Destiny and not a new enemy but I think it is fitting for Destiny 2 to be how Bungie is making it story wise. At least from what we have seen so far. I could see in the future make next years expansion or Destiny 3 have new kinds of aliens that we fight in the game though I could see the Nine pop up in Destiny 2 somewhere
Literally playing D1 today & I seen Primus a'arn get taken, in the taken king missions, I believe the one where your trying to find out what the cabal know about oryx
His motive will be interesting because to bring the fight to earth knowing the type power that's here, good and bad, is pretty bold. Then again if some of your legions got wiped out utterly, I'd want to know what happened too and bring big guns
Awesome video!! Playing off your theory(s), the gold hologram planet that the cabal commanders were looking at in the lore card, and then the ghost fiddled with the controls and it turns into a fissure filled planet, could that be the cracked planet we see when the sun is destroyed by that machine in the Destiny 2 trailers? Would that confirm that in fact that trailer is a flashback and not our sun being destroyed? Potentially being Gaul's home planet, it was an only means to destroy their sun along with the planets to destroy the darkness in that system, and an explosion of that magnitude would most likely also destroy the weapon, tech that they got from the vex! That could be why they are drilling on Nessus because they need the vex tech to rebuild the star destroying weapon to try the same thing in Sol!! Another theory is that it seems like the vex will be fairly prominent in D2, with Nessus and Io looking pretty vex'y! It could be that the star explosion was in our system, we somehow escape, but use vex tech to go back in time to stop our system from being destroyed!! And/or that planet that gets destroyed in the explosion could be the traveler! Theory: Gaul's "6-pronged" machine thingy that seals the traveler drains the light out of the traveler, leaving the guardians of Sol with no light! And then by destroying the system and the traveler along with it leaves absolutely no means by which to regain light! Since all planets would be destroyed, no arc storms by which to gain non traveler light abilities, no sun, so not sun breakers and the like! The only possible one to regain might be void!! And even if the argument is made that we could flee to another system and use its natural elements to regain our powers, it would still be a major loss for us and we'd be severely displaced!!! Just a theory though, and MASS speculation, what do you think?!
Would love the ending to be knocking some sense into gary and the cabal as a whole, teaming up with them and the fallen to rebuild each of our species and into destiny 3 as an entire solar system against the darkness. Can you imagine how epic that would be?
Hey Byf. I love going back and watching old videos to see how much you predicted what the real story was. Often you are spot on. I would both bring a suggestion and also ask a question at the same time. Could Gaul have wanted the light because he knows that Emperor Calus had made connections and maybe even a deal with the darkness?
Correct or otherwise I definitely enjoyed this video! On of my favorites!! And I just became somewhat interested in participating in your patrion..... more so than the other times it interested me.
remember a couple of videos ago when you were talking about what you thought was a Vex time rift with a broken planet in it. what if that is why Ghaul wants the traveler's light. what if Ghaul needs the power of the light in order to breach the time gate to go back and stop the Cabal's home world from being destroyed. Even more so later on in the trailer it shows the cabal weapon blowing up the sun and wiping out a solar system. my theory in that the Guardians discover why Ghaul needs the light after defeating him but Ghaul in a last ditch effort decides to activate the weapon. At that point the Guardians race to the time gate to restore earth which would be that point in the trailer where the Guardians are standing in the time gate. but that is just my theory
Fellow guardians and lovers of lore, I have thought about the same thing the moment I heard bungie speak of Ghaul, at first I thought maybe it was the same as the Eliksni, the Cabal had once had the traveler and lost it, while the eliksni became scavengers the cabal became a military empire. Both want it back, but after hearing your theories mine are changing, ghaul is acting out of desperation, perhaps the darkness is ruining the empire, as did the whirlwind take the Eliksni. Maybe he heard about th great power it once gave his people and decides it's time to take it back. Im most likely wrong though.
(I've only watched half of this video at the time of writing this comment so if this theory is stated by Byf in the video somewhere after the halfway mark forgive my impatience) Gaul being motivated by some strife got me thinking... The Cabal aren't allowed to go home, as expressed by grimoire and an in-game line of dialogue made by our ghost, but why? One could argue that it's because a naturally militaristic and honor-bound race like the Cabal just don't want to return home until their problems are solved, but the Cabal being in our galaxy leads me to believe something else is going on. A'arn's last words, before being taken, mentioned not being able to go home. Gaul, motivated by strife and what he believes to be a sort of "mantle" to wield the Traveler's power instead of humanity leads me to think that the Cabal homeworld was/is plagued by the darkness. Why else would the Cabal be on Mars if not looking for the Traveler? Why else would Gaul feel the need to take and use the Traveler's power? Because they literally cannot return to their home planet without the light. They can't come back to where they once lived because it's impossible to do so without the light. Perhaps this theory is why Gaul feels the Cabal are worthy: because they've suffered enough and they just want to go home.
This is what I have been waiting for. Looking at the Cabal I think of simply of a military government. They don't have the same motivations as the Vex, Hive and Fallen. They aren't looking to wipe out humanity. Many, it could be argued, are simply fighting to go home.
The Iron Lord vid was great. Hopefully it'll get enough attention to signal to Bungie or Activision that an animated set of stories would be well received and help tell stories that the game only could through text.
I have 2 theories and aren't directly related to each other. 1. The planet we see getting destroyed in the reveal trailer is, perhaps, the Cabal homeworld. 2. The title of "Dominus" gives the suggestion that Gaul is a slave owner. Maybe the Cabal that serve under the banners of the Red Legion are slaves and only serve out of fear. Maybe once we defeat Gaul, we shall have a new and powerful ally?
Dude, once again they should pay you for this seriously amazing its like you were born to write this story but it also leads to a thought that what if the red legion become allies and we get a new race to play as granted I don't see a Cabal Hunter flipping around a screen make sense but the other classes could work
Thought: If we wouldnt have interrupted the Shield Brothers in the strike, when they had the bombs wired to Oryx's command ship, would they have been successful? The blast would have obliterated our solar system. So if Oryx's thrown room was caught in that blast would it have destroyed Oryx since he had no where else to escape to?
It seems weapons and items have taken over the grimoire as far as lore goes. The lore is still there, you just have to work harder to find it now. Also, I'm glad you can see the business side of it. If Bungie cannot market this game to the masses, there will be no Destiny to enjoy. The one thing I appreciate about Bungie is that their games can either be enjoyable simple or shockingly complex. It all depends on the amount of time you're willing to invest in it.
Also, the bit about the Cabal "without victory we can't return home", In the Shield Bros strike, it's specifically said Cabal warriors are kicked out the empire so they can't return until victorious. It is said like it's a way of giving them to ultimate motivation to fight for the Cabal empire. Hence the quote on the weapon. It's not darkness specific.
consider and cross reference the darkness ghost fragment that describes the nature of the darkness, specifically speaking about races rebuked by the traveler for their sins.
I saw something in Destiny 2 that interested me. In one of the missions you have to go to the dark forest to deal with the taken. But through the same portal you can get back the golden gun. So here my question, is there some kind of link between the traveller and the taken now? And if so, what are the taken doing and why? Or can the traveller some how control the taken portals?
gahl has been wanting the light so he would be empowered against the darkness as if he is jeulus as you said he was raised to belive that cabal the red lesion he feels as if we are in the way or as if we are darkness he feels as if that he is the only race that deserves the light maybe he thinks that we are darkness
Don't the fallen attack out of envy and desperation? ^just lighthearted I love the video, i missed these kinds of videos. Do you think that what the cabal are running from could be the Nine?
Honestly if Ghaul and the Cabal want to make us be better Guardians then that would be a great twist and would make a great start to uniting the enemy races to strike back against The Darkness
My main gripe with your theory is that other item and grimoire entries all but state that the Cabal have never encountered Oryx or the Traveller before. If they knew about what the Light did for those the Traveller blesses, I don't think they'd have been so unprepared for the Guardians or Oryx. An empire as massive and powerful as the Cabal's surely would have already studied the Light's effects beforehand (entries about the Fallen indicate the Traveller seems to operate in a similar fashion with each world it meets) and developed countermeasures to the Light beyond 'Orbital bombardment and hope you get their Ghost'; same thing with Oryx and the Taken. So while it's possible that they have now faced some agents of the Darkness, I don't think it was the Taken. And while they are certainly aware of the Light now, I don't think they've quite put two and two together. The Cabal are space locusts; they move from world to world, capturing/enslaving anything useful they find, and levelling the rest. Their High Command may just see the Traveller as another useful tool, not awre of the cosmic war against the Darkness. Imagine it from Ghaul's perspective: You want to be the hero who saves your people, but you can't fight these enemies. Then you hear a report from some far-off scouting legion. The report talks about a broken planet whose inhabitants, with nothing more than the power of this 'Traveller', deploy soldiers that cannot die; soldiers who wield seemingly impossible powers; soldiers who are each capable of decimating whole batallions; soldiers who, with less than a dozen men, can defeat reality-warping monstrosities that have been swatting aside your legions like flies. How angry, how jealous would you be? A shattered world with a disorganized command and, by all accounts, idiots for soldiers hoarding this incredible power? Just imagine what he could accomplish with a fleet of undying, Light-weilding, properly-trained soldiers. He'd be a hero... no, a god, to his people.
well...... Here's a theory that I thought of as I watched this video. In the Cabal Grimoire card that you mentioned, where the planet in the hologram is fissuring, I thought of the clip of video we saw in the Destiny 2 reveal. The clip that you referenced where the cabal machine blew up a sun, and you see a planet that has cracked and fissured to the point it is falling apart. I think that maybe that station was a power source for the cabal and perhaps when the darkness attacked, Ghaul's home world was destroyed (some refugees including him escape) and the planet is left in the state we saw in the video. And in a last ditch effort to push back the darkness, the cabal reverse the beam of the power station to blow up the sun. I think that that is a possibility of how Ghauls home system was destroyed by the darkness/sacrifice of the cabal to stop the darknesses's forward advance. Also I think that the forward scouts saw a race with the gift of light from the traveler, so Ghaul also know thats a way to fight the darkness, causing a "if only we had the light we would not of had to blow the system". I don't know maybe this is a absolutely crazy theory thats not possible... Let me know what you guys think?
Two things I want--no make that three: Cabal allies, Eliksni (fallen) allies, and a huge raid or mission where we all go to war against the hive, worm gods, and the darkness itself. EDIT: so apparently my insane idea was actually prophetic, huh.
Aidan O'Brien cabal allies would be interesting.
Aidan O'Brien imagine being a fallen captain
Final fight: Guardians, Fallen and Cabal vs. Vex and Hive
Aidan O'Brien you god damn genius!
yes please
am i the only one who thought of random cabal citizens in dresses and suits walking around on their home planet?
Jamar Goatley nope I thought the same.
Jamar Goatley You are not alone!
Jamar Goatley
I was thinking Roman-style robes, but ya'know.
Jamar Goatley Home system.
i had a top hat on one
"Ghaul believes in a better class of guardian"
That made me think about there's maybe a small part of Ghaul that want's us to defeat him and to maybe validate the Traveler's choice in us and prove we are far stronger than even we know by giving us an opponent who pushes us farther to extinction than any other foe.
Depends on how much he follows The Logic
One of your best yet Byf - he is definitely driven by his difficult past and a huge slice of self-confidence.
I'm just going to say Byf, you've been right before with your speculations. I think you're on to something here. And Happy Birthday!
I'm becoming increasingly confused as to what exactly "The Darkness" IS. Is it a physically tangible energy source or is it just a representation of how races like the Hive, Taken and Vex close in like a dark cloud? Clearly the Fallen aren't really part of the Darkness and it's starting to seem like the Cabal aren't either so it's seeming more and more like an abstract concept without an actual, specific definition.
John Finn I like to think it's like the light. it can empower those that fight for it. but much like the traveller, it's a living creature. but it has no frorm, so it need others.
John Finn I thought the exact same thing man. Is the darkness an actual thing, or just as an ideal. It isn't really explained
At the beginning of Destiny, I thought it was some kind of energy source that all the enemy classes feed off of to enhance their powers or perhaps they were born out of it to begin with but that clearly isn't the case with the Fallen and Cabal. Really makes you wonder how much difference there actually is between the Traveler and the Darkness. Maybe they're 2 sides of the same coin
John Finn I see them based on the warriors that fight for them. the traveller is honorable and 'commands' through respect, such as the guardians, and sorta the fallen. while the darkness does it through fear, such as the hive.
John Finn these days, the Darkness is whatever actively fights against the Traveler and its soldiers. The Hive/Taken are definitely the probable original species of Darkness. The Vex joined because their vision of time probably stated that they needed to join with the Darkness to survive. Theose factions are definitely the major players of the actual Darkness. As for the Fallen and the Cabal, they're pushed by their own agendas, not those of the Darkness. I'd say they're actually minor powers that survived the Darkness, but their hunger for the Traveler's Light puts them in the same basket with the others from our point of view.
Gaul was angered when the book of sorrows vol 3 was left unfinished.
Now that season of the chosen has come out this theory is gaining more fruit because it is told by Caiatl herself that the Cabal home world fell to the Darkness or the Hive which explains why Ghaul wanted the Light.
Your video scripts are some of the best on RUclips for me, I love the way you paint the picture. Your great cant wait for the vidoes from destiny 2
"Without victory, we cant go home" Might be a type of war cry in reference to the theory that the Cabal homeworld was taken by Oryx. Meaning they lost their home and only in victory over the Darkness can they finally reclaim their world.
I personally love the story of D2 that the fact we have this foe who doesn't want to destroy the travel but feels as though the cabal were supposed to wield the power of the light.
Only enemy's that make sense to end up as allies. We have come full circle by Witch queen working together.
Thank you for your kind words giving recognition to the events here in the U.K.
Wasn't sure if these events even made the news in the US. My thoughts also go out to those effected by these tragedies.
6:50
Actually Cayde-6 mentions something about the cabal being banished from the empire and aren't allowed to return unless they are victorious during on of the missions
Great video. I posed this idea to Beard Grizzly awhile back and your video supports my assertion imho: namely, that due to both their more secular nature and military doctrine and assets, the Cabal would be the most likely, and most useful, to be 'flipped' and turned into allies.
for me Byf... you complete the game! you are the man!
thank you from Portugal
I would love to get a lore video on the warminds and Rasputin followed by your speculation about the Warmind DLC in Destiny 2 is.
I just want to hear your voice talking about my favorite topic in Destiny. I love the warmind architecture and the lore behind them
when you said that they "cant go home without victory" that was said in the shield brothers strike by cayde-6.
after hearing the end of the video was I the only one that was thinking in their head finally a good person on youtube
Keep up the good work and happy birthday. Been with you and the amazing content you provided the last 3 years.
Intriguing, logical, and definitely plausible postulate, Byf. You may very well be on to something.
Loved the video. So much information to absorb. So many great insight in the comments as well. Thank you
WELCOME BACK BYF KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
I know it's a little thing, but you almost always cite your sources and I love it
just wanna say thanks for the awesome lore vids. I wouldn't know jack about destiny's back story if not for your vids
I'll emphasize with ol Gary, right as I'm emptying my Ace of Spades into his turtle lookin dome.
Now, this makes sense, but my favorite lore is all concerning the Vex. They are just so very interesting to me, so, once you spoke of Cabal Guardians I instantly thought of what the Vex could do with the light. Imagine that, they would be utterly unstoppable (which they already should be seeing they have access to portals through space and time). Just something to think about.
Holy shit putting music in the background while Mark is speaking makes that clip damn majestic.
This content is so much better then the recycled content every other destiny RUclips is putting out there 😍
Byf, I absolutely love your lore videos.
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Idk if I am reading too much into it but in the Book of Sorrows Verse XXXVIII, "
But while Oryx traveled to observe the Deep destroy an ancient fortress world" I just thought that kind of ties into the Cabal, not encountering Oryx, but the Deep/Darkness, and resulting in them fleeing and looking for a way to fight back.
don't the Fallen also fight out of envy, entitlement, and desperation?
the fallen do in fact they have they same intentions as the red legion literally just look at the battle of six fronts because they had the traveler
Byf B-Day HYPE!! Have a good one!
I honestly think you're giving Bungie's writers more credit than they deserve.
Also, +1 Birthday Guilt Sub
awesome video and I hope what you've brought up will end to be some kind of true. And I can't wait for part 2 of the iron lords.
Byf, in 15 minuets you explained a better story than the whole destiny 2 campaign did in hours
Byf you're the best!!! I´m from Brazil and I love your lore videos
Ghaul couldnt have lost to the darkness. His advisor guy. Says in one of the cutscenes that guardians would be the first lost of the red legion
This is compelling AF, the Cabal really do seem to be on (roughly) the same side of the war as we are but Gary blew up my vault so I owe him a teabagging.
HAPPY (belated, at this point) BIRTHDAY BYF.
Happy Birthday Byf! More Power and Godbless!
Happy birthday, Byf! Subbed in the hope of getting you to 400k!
Honestly, bungie should hire you because your speculative backstory is much more compelling and contains so much more depth than the orphan issues they gave Gaul.
Intense, All I need is some popcorn to go with this Very interesting theory. I hope you're right, Happy birthday
Nice theory that's see how it holds up, love the endings of your vids too
My friend and I were talking about this exact topic last week and came to the same conclusion. We also talked about a lot of people complaining about us fighting an enemy that is already in Destiny and not a new enemy but I think it is fitting for Destiny 2 to be how Bungie is making it story wise. At least from what we have seen so far. I could see in the future make next years expansion or Destiny 3 have new kinds of aliens that we fight in the game though I could see the Nine pop up in Destiny 2 somewhere
happy early bday. thank you for all your hard work
Happy early birthday byf hope you get you 400k subs!
little more and u going for 400.000 subs good job for ur vids
Literally playing D1 today & I seen Primus a'arn get taken, in the taken king missions, I believe the one where your trying to find out what the cabal know about oryx
His motive will be interesting because to bring the fight to earth knowing the type power that's here, good and bad, is pretty bold. Then again if some of your legions got wiped out utterly, I'd want to know what happened too and bring big guns
Awesome video!!
Playing off your theory(s), the gold hologram planet that the cabal commanders were looking at in the lore card, and then the ghost fiddled with the controls and it turns into a fissure filled planet, could that be the cracked planet we see when the sun is destroyed by that machine in the Destiny 2 trailers? Would that confirm that in fact that trailer is a flashback and not our sun being destroyed?
Potentially being Gaul's home planet, it was an only means to destroy their sun along with the planets to destroy the darkness in that system, and an explosion of that magnitude would most likely also destroy the weapon, tech that they got from the vex! That could be why they are drilling on Nessus because they need the vex tech to rebuild the star destroying weapon to try the same thing in Sol!!
Another theory is that it seems like the vex will be fairly prominent in D2, with Nessus and Io looking pretty vex'y! It could be that the star explosion was in our system, we somehow escape, but use vex tech to go back in time to stop our system from being destroyed!!
And/or that planet that gets destroyed in the explosion could be the traveler!
Theory: Gaul's "6-pronged" machine thingy that seals the traveler drains the light out of the traveler, leaving the guardians of Sol with no light! And then by destroying the system and the traveler along with it leaves absolutely no means by which to regain light! Since all planets would be destroyed, no arc storms by which to gain non traveler light abilities, no sun, so not sun breakers and the like! The only possible one to regain might be void!! And even if the argument is made that we could flee to another system and use its natural elements to regain our powers, it would still be a major loss for us and we'd be severely displaced!!!
Just a theory though, and MASS speculation, what do you think?!
Congrats on 400k subscribers!!
Would love the ending to be knocking some sense into gary and the cabal as a whole, teaming up with them and the fallen to rebuild each of our species and into destiny 3 as an entire solar system against the darkness. Can you imagine how epic that would be?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BYF!!!
How much fun! I could imagine a future expansion where we fight the Hive alongside the Cabal! Nice creativity. Hope you are right!
It's here
Hey Byf. I love going back and watching old videos to see how much you predicted what the real story was. Often you are spot on. I would both bring a suggestion and also ask a question at the same time. Could Gaul have wanted the light because he knows that Emperor Calus had made connections and maybe even a deal with the darkness?
Correct or otherwise I definitely enjoyed this video! On of my favorites!!
And I just became somewhat interested in participating in your patrion..... more so than the other times it interested me.
I always get a twinge of excitement when I hear your intro music mate.
Watching this video now and thinking of what Ghaul and the Red War could have been, lorewise....feels bad, man.
remember a couple of videos ago when you were talking about what you thought was a Vex time rift with a broken planet in it. what if that is why Ghaul wants the traveler's light. what if Ghaul needs the power of the light in order to breach the time gate to go back and stop the Cabal's home world from being destroyed. Even more so later on in the trailer it shows the cabal weapon blowing up the sun and wiping out a solar system. my theory in that the Guardians discover why Ghaul needs the light after defeating him but Ghaul in a last ditch effort decides to activate the weapon. At that point the Guardians race to the time gate to restore earth which would be that point in the trailer where the Guardians are standing in the time gate. but that is just my theory
I just subscribed. Happy birthday Byf!
Happy birthday Byf! :D
Nice story, well done, and have a great birthday.
Fellow guardians and lovers of lore, I have thought about the same thing the moment I heard bungie speak of Ghaul, at first I thought maybe it was the same as the Eliksni, the Cabal had once had the traveler and lost it, while the eliksni became scavengers the cabal became a military empire. Both want it back, but after hearing your theories mine are changing, ghaul is acting out of desperation, perhaps the darkness is ruining the empire, as did the whirlwind take the Eliksni. Maybe he heard about th great power it once gave his people and decides it's time to take it back. Im most likely wrong though.
the fallen had the traveler not cabal
anyone notice in the zavala trailer umm the little girl is everyone's favorite shipmaster
(I've only watched half of this video at the time of writing this comment so if this theory is stated by Byf in the video somewhere after the halfway mark forgive my impatience)
Gaul being motivated by some strife got me thinking...
The Cabal aren't allowed to go home, as expressed by grimoire and an in-game line of dialogue made by our ghost, but why? One could argue that it's because a naturally militaristic and honor-bound race like the Cabal just don't want to return home until their problems are solved, but the Cabal being in our galaxy leads me to believe something else is going on.
A'arn's last words, before being taken, mentioned not being able to go home. Gaul, motivated by strife and what he believes to be a sort of "mantle" to wield the Traveler's power instead of humanity leads me to think that the Cabal homeworld was/is plagued by the darkness.
Why else would the Cabal be on Mars if not looking for the Traveler? Why else would Gaul feel the need to take and use the Traveler's power? Because they literally cannot return to their home planet without the light. They can't come back to where they once lived because it's impossible to do so without the light. Perhaps this theory is why Gaul feels the Cabal are worthy: because they've suffered enough and they just want to go home.
Damn Byf, I seriously support this theory!!!
Darn good dot connecting you did there B. Thanks and keep it up.
Fantastic video as always.
8:13 hilarious nade :D
Happy early Birthday Byf
This is what I have been waiting for. Looking at the Cabal I think of simply of a military government. They don't have the same motivations as the Vex, Hive and Fallen. They aren't looking to wipe out humanity. Many, it could be argued, are simply fighting to go home.
The Iron Lord vid was great. Hopefully it'll get enough attention to signal to Bungie or Activision that an animated set of stories would be well received and help tell stories that the game only could through text.
Moar Iron Lords videos! So guuud. Show us Efrideet sans helmet
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BYF
this is my favorite lore vid
I have 2 theories and aren't directly related to each other.
1. The planet we see getting destroyed in the reveal trailer is, perhaps, the Cabal homeworld.
2. The title of "Dominus" gives the suggestion that Gaul is a slave owner. Maybe the Cabal that serve under the banners of the Red Legion are slaves and only serve out of fear. Maybe once we defeat Gaul, we shall have a new and powerful ally?
Dude, once again they should pay you for this seriously amazing its like you were born to write this story but it also leads to a thought that what if the red legion become allies and we get a new race to play as granted I don't see a Cabal Hunter flipping around a screen make sense but the other classes could work
Thought: If we wouldnt have interrupted the Shield Brothers in the strike, when they had the bombs wired to Oryx's command ship, would they have been successful? The blast would have obliterated our solar system. So if Oryx's thrown room was caught in that blast would it have destroyed Oryx since he had no where else to escape to?
i love this idea.....could you imagine an enemy that we don't want to kill but help....... I'm geeking out for this
happy early birthday byf!!!!
Excellent narrative, Byf. If D2 turns out to be any less than this i'll be pretty bummed.
Happy birthday byf crongrats on 400 k
It seems weapons and items have taken over the grimoire as far as lore goes. The lore is still there, you just have to work harder to find it now.
Also, I'm glad you can see the business side of it. If Bungie cannot market this game to the masses, there will be no Destiny to enjoy.
The one thing I appreciate about Bungie is that their games can either be enjoyable simple or shockingly complex. It all depends on the amount of time you're willing to invest in it.
Happy B-Day! Byf :)
actually weren't the fallen trying to get the traveler back.
Also, the bit about the Cabal "without victory we can't return home", In the Shield Bros strike, it's specifically said Cabal warriors are kicked out the empire so they can't return until victorious. It is said like it's a way of giving them to ultimate motivation to fight for the Cabal empire. Hence the quote on the weapon. It's not darkness specific.
jelliedmonster2 they are. they were the original guardians, but the traveler ditched them when the darkness arrived, and choose humanity instead.
Do they want to take it, or do they want to destroy "the great machine" so they can get revenge against it for its betrayal?
I'm pretty sure the ammonite predate the eliksni.
They want to take it.
consider and cross reference the darkness ghost fragment that describes the nature of the darkness, specifically speaking about races rebuked by the traveler for their sins.
great video byf. theories are proven, hypothesis are best guesses.
I saw something in Destiny 2 that interested me. In one of the missions you have to go to the dark forest to deal with the taken. But through the same portal you can get back the golden gun. So here my question, is there some kind of link between the traveller and the taken now? And if so, what are the taken doing and why? Or can the traveller some how control the taken portals?
gahl has been wanting the light so he would be empowered against the darkness as if he is jeulus as you said he was raised to belive that cabal the red lesion he feels as if we are in the way or as if we are darkness he feels as if that he is the only race that deserves the light maybe he thinks that we are darkness
Don't the fallen attack out of envy and desperation?
^just lighthearted
I love the video, i missed these kinds of videos. Do you think that what the cabal are running from could be the Nine?
Caleb Olds i wouldn't call it envy I would call it a must deserved hatred; the traveler left them to the darkness they feel betrayed
Arkeice Ringgold yeah but they DO want the traveler back. Maybe not envy but jealousy for sure
happy birthday Byf!!!!!!!
Honestly if Ghaul and the Cabal want to make us be better Guardians then that would be a great twist and would make a great start to uniting the enemy races to strike back against The Darkness
My main gripe with your theory is that other item and grimoire entries all but state that the Cabal have never encountered Oryx or the Traveller before. If they knew about what the Light did for those the Traveller blesses, I don't think they'd have been so unprepared for the Guardians or Oryx. An empire as massive and powerful as the Cabal's surely would have already studied the Light's effects beforehand (entries about the Fallen indicate the Traveller seems to operate in a similar fashion with each world it meets) and developed countermeasures to the Light beyond 'Orbital bombardment and hope you get their Ghost'; same thing with Oryx and the Taken. So while it's possible that they have now faced some agents of the Darkness, I don't think it was the Taken. And while they are certainly aware of the Light now, I don't think they've quite put two and two together. The Cabal are space locusts; they move from world to world, capturing/enslaving anything useful they find, and levelling the rest. Their High Command may just see the Traveller as another useful tool, not awre of the cosmic war against the Darkness.
Imagine it from Ghaul's perspective: You want to be the hero who saves your people, but you can't fight these enemies. Then you hear a report from some far-off scouting legion. The report talks about a broken planet whose inhabitants, with nothing more than the power of this 'Traveller', deploy soldiers that cannot die; soldiers who wield seemingly impossible powers; soldiers who are each capable of decimating whole batallions; soldiers who, with less than a dozen men, can defeat reality-warping monstrosities that have been swatting aside your legions like flies. How angry, how jealous would you be? A shattered world with a disorganized command and, by all accounts, idiots for soldiers hoarding this incredible power? Just imagine what he could accomplish with a fleet of undying, Light-weilding, properly-trained soldiers. He'd be a hero... no, a god, to his people.
Hey Byf. I live in the UK and like that you are raising money for what happened here. Also. I love the content that you produce. Great work.
1:00 - 1:20 Notice how health regen works differently?
well...... Here's a theory that I thought of as I watched this video. In the Cabal Grimoire card that you mentioned, where the planet in the hologram is fissuring, I thought of the clip of video we saw in the Destiny 2 reveal. The clip that you referenced where the cabal machine blew up a sun, and you see a planet that has cracked and fissured to the point it is falling apart. I think that maybe that station was a power source for the cabal and perhaps when the darkness attacked, Ghaul's home world was destroyed (some refugees including him escape) and the planet is left in the state we saw in the video. And in a last ditch effort to push back the darkness, the cabal reverse the beam of the power station to blow up the sun. I think that that is a possibility of how Ghauls home system was destroyed by the darkness/sacrifice of the cabal to stop the darknesses's forward advance. Also I think that the forward scouts saw a race with the gift of light from the traveler, so Ghaul also know thats a way to fight the darkness, causing a "if only we had the light we would not of had to blow the system". I don't know maybe this is a absolutely crazy theory thats not possible... Let me know what you guys think?
I'm getting a vibe that the cabal are gonna be like the elites from the halo series, enemies turn allies to take out a common enemy
Perfect English in the title byf 👌😂