Good stuff Ian. It takes me to "back in the day" pre digital when I used to shoot slides and come home at night to develop them at home in a pretty similar sequence to the one in this vlog, it was "magical" and very satisfying to see what you got that day !
Great episode, as always! You guys should do an episode with Eduardo Pavez if you're ever in the same area. I would love to see what you guys make together. This channel and his are my favourite film photography channels on RUclips.
Another great episode, your videos require a longer attention span, but it's completely worth the slower pace. You guys are definitely attracting the right audience.
As always, we have a video with beautiful images, useful information, and, above all, intriguingly presented ideas. Thanks. I look forward to the next...
We’re lucky here in the UK (one of few things, I’d say that about!) there are still High Street developers and scanners (Max Spielmann, Boots, etc) that will do a 1 hour service in 1 hour for £5. Good luck with the show. I really miss Hong Kong.
aag24 lucky, yes! but i've been very disappointed by boots scanning in the past, at the wrong angle and so. much. dust. with bad colour. i'd check out filmdev.co.uk, great rates and beautiful scans!
I'm in the process of making my own JOBO for colour film and also learning the magic of Pyrocat. There's something magical about being able to go from taking an image to having something tangible without ever touch a computer.
My school has a darkroom but I never used it for film as I didn't have long enough during my Photography course, but hopefully during college I'll get to experiment with it. I love your videos so much! It kind of seems like the DigitalRev split was for the better as we now have 4 really good channels.
Great video. I’ve always wanted to give developing a try (esp as i come from ilford UK) but am too scared. Film photography was fun but i find digital has enabled me to become a better photographer as i can get instant feedback on my photos and having more than 36 pics per card/roll lets me experiment in a way i couldnt in the good old days. Keep up the good work.
Takes me back to photo class in high school! Those were the days.... I wish there were more affordable film scanners out there, as I might go back to doing film (yes, I know you can do it with a macro lens and holder, but I ain't got one.)
I really miss developing my own film. I used to do this in my traditional photography class and the smell of the dev really hypes me up. I really need go back and shoot Film again. 😭
Great Video. I've been doing Darkroom and Developing for years now. Used to use D-76 a lot but I recently switched over to Rodinal and I'm loving the results with Tri-X and HP5. (I really like pushing my film to 800 and the results are amazing for it) Thats my first time seeing a Pink Stop-bath as well, usually I use Ilfostop which is yellow.
Yeah! I realized that everyone has their own unique way of developing bnw, little quirks and tricks picked up along the way that may end up useful in my own repertoire...
Just shot a roll of film (my last Agfaphoto 200) last weekend and got it from the lab yesterday, with prints... good results, not cheap, but I wonder if there could be any savings by doing it all myself, for maybe 5-6 rolls a year...
i have seriously been considering this since i my local lab was shut and it now costs me 25 quid a roll to develop. How easy would it be to do colour in this method?
Hey! I wanted to mention that Reflex, the company that is designing the first ever new 35mm camera is also making a personal mini-lab for film from 110 up to 5x7!!! Thought you could give it a shout out! I will definitely start developing my film once it is out! It will cost around £500
When I'm lazy, I get my rolls developed at the Color House Lafayette on Lafayette St. in New York City. $18/roll for processing and scans. Turn around time is 1 day. I haven't bought chemistry in awhile but probably should.
still have to get around to developing my own film. it is just so convenient to send it off to the lab, but this might just have convinced me to develop myself
Without meaning to be pretentious; I dó think because film-photography is analogue that it's more "authentic" (than digital photography). And I'm not talking about the legitimacy of the photography itself or the photographers creating them. But I'm talking about the sort of... "palpability" that film has with catching the light and then the chemical reactions that follow. - Similarly with analogue audio-equipment, you can still hear and feel it when it's played on Vinyl, or even when recorded on tape or played with real strings or analogue amplifiers and so forth. - There's just this "organic" connection that it has for a human being that's pretty much missing with a purely digital process. - And I say "purely" because even when it's scanned digitally it makes a difference. You can even tell the difference when you watch a movie digitally (say on Blu-ray) when it's shot on film or shot digitally. For similar reasons people complain when there are too many computer effects over practical effects. While there's a lot of sheep mentality, there's also a reality to what people experience. - Just saying; With film it's almost like you have a physical remnant of that moment you recorded that isn't really captured on a digital sensor (as amazing as it may be). That's why I would say it's more authentic, materialistically speaking. - That's just my view on it. :)
I would love to develop film at home but I'm scared by the scanning process. I don't have a very good scanner and I'm not practical with the editing. I'm never happy with the result, I always get a bad image that doesn't look like the original print. Maybe I should develop at home and get the roll printed in a lab but I think I wouldn't save any money doing that.
Do I Miss the Chemical process? Very Much. I had started with B+W in High School. When said High School decided to close the Darkroom, I managed to purchase all the equipment for AUD$50. That let me to upgrade to a colour process, which actually was quite as simple as B+W. I was selling 10x8 prints for $5 a pop and was making good pocket money! Of course I sold all that stuff as I entered tertiary studies, ten years before digital made it's debut. I think I could be pretty well off had I stuck to the Darkroom game nowadays
I shoot like 3 rolls a year, so developing ECN-2 or C-41 at home would end up being expensive for me. I want to invest into a minilab scanner. All scans I got back from various labs were rather horrible and flatbed or budget 35 mm scanners aren't much better either.
I agree. I also wrote it poorly, I should have said: "I would feel bad if my chemicals went bad every six months, while I developed only one or two rolls with them." More expensive too, but I'm not looking to save money at all costs. Eventually, I will end up developing and scanning myself anyway. I just need to take a leap.
Great vid, but I would have preferred the clip mic to have been on his collar throughout: it’s his information that needs to be clearly understandable...
Tip: Final-wash the film in pure water (de-ionised, distilled, whatever) rather than tap water. Significantly reduces water spots (or so I found anyway). And move to a country that doesn't have dust if you're planning to scan. Dust drives me INSANE!
As for dust; I think it's best to just clean your rooms as good as possible. I think also air-conditioners pull out dust from the air, and there are other air-purifyers that will reduce it. But of course, that's another investment...
I prewash my film but I also do Eduardo Pavez's brute method or just use stand development for my B/W film. Both ways came out pretty much the same. I personally like Tri-X for sheet photography and been shooting with Kentmere 100/400 film from bulk 100ft rolls and saves me money. I like Kentmere because it drys flat and perfect when scanning on a flatbed. From Eduardo's channel ruclips.net/video/H6kwkvDm_YM/видео.html
Yup, I agree, it takes the film to a temperature closer to the developer, cleans the film from dust particles it might have and removes the anti-halation layer!
I wish developing color wasn’t so much more difficult than bw. I live in a sharehouse so I don’t have a way of developing color film due to the temperature requirements.
Ian, I generally love your videos because of their content as well as how in-depth you go into the specific topics. However, with this episode I feel that you were much less so than usual. You did not mention that the process highlighted in this video is specific to BLACK and WHITE film only. I noticed some color rolls in your animations as well as when Fish was rolling the film onto the real. Color or C-41 processing is vastly different than B&W and cannot be done with the same chemicals. Additionally, I completely disagree that developing your own film does not make you a better photographer per say. It does. you are spending so much more time with your negatives, handling them all the way through the process. Thus gaining understanding on why some images turn out the way they you. You end up studying or just looking at your negatives by themselves, much more. There is an intangible effect that this has on your brain and conscious when going out and shooting there-afterwards. You are more connected not only with film but with a better understanding of how to use it and what comes of it.
Thanks for the feedback! Indeed I should have specified this is black and white - hopefully most viewers will understand that we weren't doing a colour process. I do believe developing your own film can help with understanding, but I also didn't want to claim that it's a magic bullet that will make everyone better at composing etc.
Would love to see more content from this channel! We need more film photographers on RUclips!
Good times guys, and great edit Anne! Look forward to more collab videos in the future.
See you soon!
Good stuff Ian. It takes me to "back in the day" pre digital when I used to shoot slides and come home at night to develop them at home in a pretty similar sequence to the one in this vlog, it was "magical" and very satisfying to see what you got that day !
Great episode, as always! You guys should do an episode with Eduardo Pavez if you're ever in the same area. I would love to see what you guys make together. This channel and his are my favourite film photography channels on RUclips.
Thanks for introducing his channel - just checked it out
I agree, this channel satisfy my thirst about film photography, good content, great editing, you should makes and publish the video regularly..
Great satisfaction seeing that roll of film developed and hanging up drying.
Yes dude yes. A new video
Ian's videos are great as always, also thanks to Anne for nice editing
Great timing, I'm actually gonna buy my first development setup next month :D
That's great! Will it be your first time home developing? Have you decided what to buy?
cool logo dude!! :)
Good luck tabasco man
Shutter Release Yup, my first home setup
Shutter Release As for chemicals I'm going to buy the Adox reproductions of classic Agfa ones like Adonal which should give HP5 a nice, classic look
Another great episode, your videos require a longer attention span, but it's completely worth the slower pace. You guys are definitely attracting the right audience.
As always, we have a video with beautiful images, useful information, and, above all, intriguingly presented ideas. Thanks. I look forward to the next...
We’re lucky here in the UK (one of few things, I’d say that about!) there are still High Street developers and scanners (Max Spielmann, Boots, etc) that will do a 1 hour service in 1 hour for £5. Good luck with the show. I really miss Hong Kong.
aag24 lucky, yes! but i've been very disappointed by boots scanning in the past, at the wrong angle and so. much. dust. with bad colour. i'd check out filmdev.co.uk, great rates and beautiful scans!
Reuben J. Brown yes, Boots scanning is awful.
This is a great idea for a series, love your work!
I'm in the process of making my own JOBO for colour film and also learning the magic of Pyrocat. There's something magical about being able to go from taking an image to having something tangible without ever touch a computer.
Looks like I might have to give black and white developing a shot when I get the time since you made it look so easy!
Vish made it look easy - I would be much slower haha
Takes me back to college back in the 90s :)
My school has a darkroom but I never used it for film as I didn't have long enough during my Photography course, but hopefully during college I'll get to experiment with it. I love your videos so much! It kind of seems like the DigitalRev split was for the better as we now have 4 really good channels.
Great video. I’ve always wanted to give developing a try (esp as i come from ilford UK) but am too scared. Film photography was fun but i find digital has enabled me to become a better photographer as i can get instant feedback on my photos and having more than 36 pics per card/roll lets me experiment in a way i couldnt in the good old days. Keep up the good work.
Takes me back to photo class in high school! Those were the days.... I wish there were more affordable film scanners out there, as I might go back to doing film (yes, I know you can do it with a macro lens and holder, but I ain't got one.)
love the film stuff, cant wait to see the next film camera !
I'm glad to see that you've made another videa, I don't shoot film but I greatly enjoy channel
Thanks! We will probably do some non-film stuff in the future, so stay tuned :D
I really miss developing my own film. I used to do this in my traditional photography class and the smell of the dev really hypes me up. I really need go back and shoot Film again. 😭
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Really enjoyed this video but I am so glad I shoot digital now. My days of shooting film are long gone. Thanks for another great piece of content.
It's been a while since I developed my own film - I'm glad there are people locally who still do it though!
Great Video. I've been doing Darkroom and Developing for years now.
Used to use D-76 a lot but I recently switched over to Rodinal and I'm loving the results with Tri-X and HP5. (I really like pushing my film to 800 and the results are amazing for it) Thats my first time seeing a Pink Stop-bath as well, usually I use Ilfostop which is yellow.
What in particular is the main difference is there between Rodinal and D-76?
Awesome video! Love to see how others develop their film and tips they figured out. Peace!
Yeah! I realized that everyone has their own unique way of developing bnw, little quirks and tricks picked up along the way that may end up useful in my own repertoire...
Yup, I think many people have things they do that are similar, but many others are way different.
Just shot a roll of film (my last Agfaphoto 200) last weekend and got it from the lab yesterday, with prints... good results, not cheap, but I wonder if there could be any savings by doing it all myself, for maybe 5-6 rolls a year...
i have seriously been considering this since i my local lab was shut and it now costs me 25 quid a roll to develop. How easy would it be to do colour in this method?
Woo Hoo New videos!
Hey! I wanted to mention that Reflex, the company that is designing the first ever new 35mm camera is also making a personal mini-lab for film from 110 up to 5x7!!! Thought you could give it a shout out! I will definitely start developing my film once it is out! It will cost around £500
I just love your channel
When I'm lazy, I get my rolls developed at the Color House Lafayette on Lafayette St. in New York City. $18/roll for processing and scans. Turn around time is 1 day. I haven't bought chemistry in awhile but probably should.
still have to get around to developing my own film.
it is just so convenient to send it off to the lab, but this might just have convinced me to develop myself
I know, I feel the same most of the time to be honest!
I was so lucky to be one of the last few groups to use my Universities dark room before the art department killed the fine art photography classes.
Great job Ian 👍
Without meaning to be pretentious; I dó think because film-photography is analogue that it's more "authentic" (than digital photography). And I'm not talking about the legitimacy of the photography itself or the photographers creating them. But I'm talking about the sort of... "palpability" that film has with catching the light and then the chemical reactions that follow. - Similarly with analogue audio-equipment, you can still hear and feel it when it's played on Vinyl, or even when recorded on tape or played with real strings or analogue amplifiers and so forth. - There's just this "organic" connection that it has for a human being that's pretty much missing with a purely digital process. - And I say "purely" because even when it's scanned digitally it makes a difference. You can even tell the difference when you watch a movie digitally (say on Blu-ray) when it's shot on film or shot digitally. For similar reasons people complain when there are too many computer effects over practical effects. While there's a lot of sheep mentality, there's also a reality to what people experience. - Just saying; With film it's almost like you have a physical remnant of that moment you recorded that isn't really captured on a digital sensor (as amazing as it may be). That's why I would say it's more authentic, materialistically speaking. - That's just my view on it. :)
I would love to develop film at home but I'm scared by the scanning process. I don't have a very good scanner and I'm not practical with the editing. I'm never happy with the result, I always get a bad image that doesn't look like the original print. Maybe I should develop at home and get the roll printed in a lab but I think I wouldn't save any money doing that.
always great quality videos
pls more videos !
I always used an Agfa Rodinax developing tank. Far easier than either a bag, or fumbling in the dark. :)
Except for the leakage many had!!
You must have been unlucky, or maybe my images were improved by fogging? ;)
Well done
Do I Miss the Chemical process? Very Much. I had started with B+W in High School. When said High School decided to close the Darkroom, I managed to purchase all the equipment for AUD$50. That let me to upgrade to a colour process, which actually was quite as simple as B+W. I was selling 10x8 prints for $5 a pop and was making good pocket money!
Of course I sold all that stuff as I entered tertiary studies, ten years before digital made it's debut.
I think I could be pretty well off had I stuck to the Darkroom game nowadays
Love your videos
ya I was surprised by my local camera shop how cheap it was to get my film developed there. like 4$
Shepard wow where are you from its like 30 in Canada
J North Carolina USA it’s a local business
Miss my AE1
I shoot like 3 rolls a year, so developing ECN-2 or C-41 at home would end up being expensive for me. I want to invest into a minilab scanner. All scans I got back from various labs were rather horrible and flatbed or budget 35 mm scanners aren't much better either.
I agree. I also wrote it poorly, I should have said: "I would feel bad if my chemicals went bad every six months, while I developed only one or two rolls with them." More expensive too, but I'm not looking to save money at all costs. Eventually, I will end up developing and scanning myself anyway. I just need to take a leap.
I use my DSLR to scan my film, and while it takes quite a bit longer in setup and post-processing, the results are very sharp and detailed.
I've seen videos about that. In your personal experience does it always beat scans, including factoring in the extra time?
DSLR is a good way to scan negatives, if you already own one.
Solid videos man
Omg! I was just wondering today: "Mhh haven't seen Ian Wong posting in a while."
We knew it was time.. ;)
Bro. I need a new video.
Pro tip - use nitryl gloves when handling chemicals
Great vid, but I would have preferred the clip mic to have been on his collar throughout: it’s his information that needs to be clearly understandable...
Unfortunately we had to make do with our single mic ... next time I'll try to get a second one.
Tip: Final-wash the film in pure water (de-ionised, distilled, whatever) rather than tap water. Significantly reduces water spots (or so I found anyway).
And move to a country that doesn't have dust if you're planning to scan. Dust drives me INSANE!
As for dust; I think it's best to just clean your rooms as good as possible. I think also air-conditioners pull out dust from the air, and there are other air-purifyers that will reduce it. But of course, that's another investment...
develop
I prewash my film but I also do Eduardo Pavez's brute method or just use stand development for my B/W film. Both ways came out pretty much the same. I personally like Tri-X for sheet photography and been shooting with Kentmere 100/400 film from bulk 100ft rolls and saves me money. I like Kentmere because it drys flat and perfect when scanning on a flatbed.
From Eduardo's channel
ruclips.net/video/H6kwkvDm_YM/видео.html
*Devlop**
Agfa Agfa Agfa!
It's in the pipeline ;p
Yay!
Step 1.1 pre soaking the film
Yup, I agree, it takes the film to a temperature closer to the developer, cleans the film from dust particles it might have and removes the anti-halation layer!
I pre soak my film, but I question it ever since reading that Ilford recommends you don't pre-soak their film
I don't pre soak my film anymore and I have to say that I don't see any difference either way.
Only benefit that I have noticed when pre soaking film is that my fixer doesn't get those funky green or blue colors so easily.
I wish developing color wasn’t so much more difficult than bw. I live in a sharehouse so I don’t have a way of developing color film due to the temperature requirements.
Buy a sous vide.
Ian, I generally love your videos because of their content as well as how in-depth you go into the specific topics. However, with this episode I feel that you were much less so than usual. You did not mention that the process highlighted in this video is specific to BLACK and WHITE film only. I noticed some color rolls in your animations as well as when Fish was rolling the film onto the real. Color or C-41 processing is vastly different than B&W and cannot be done with the same chemicals. Additionally, I completely disagree that developing your own film does not make you a better photographer per say. It does. you are spending so much more time with your negatives, handling them all the way through the process. Thus gaining understanding on why some images turn out the way they you. You end up studying or just looking at your negatives by themselves, much more. There is an intangible effect that this has on your brain and conscious when going out and shooting there-afterwards. You are more connected not only with film but with a better understanding of how to use it and what comes of it.
Thanks for the feedback! Indeed I should have specified this is black and white - hopefully most viewers will understand that we weren't doing a colour process. I do believe developing your own film can help with understanding, but I also didn't want to claim that it's a magic bullet that will make everyone better at composing etc.
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