Thank you for sharing your experience with PHEV outlander. I have done a pre booking for outlander PHEV 2023 model and I am now thinking if I should now go ahead as I can clearly see the battery issue will result in taking a lot of my time in future. Good luck with your battery replacement. It may not be a bad idea to escalate this issue in twitter and tagging Mitsubishi canada . All the best
I still stand by the fact that the plug in in certain circumstances is the best economic choice you can make. If you drive more than 100kms/hour...or have long commutes....its not a great choice...in town...family moving money saving slower speed driving...100% hands down a great choice...also my car is almost 5 years old...I have never had any other issues with the vehicle....mind you the battery issue is a time consuming pain in the ass...and is enough to stop me from buying another one...
The 2023 PHEV is a completely different car with a bigger battery and considerably longer range. Tough to tell if it will have the same performance issues as the outgoing model.
Hi Gary, I have the same vehicle as you and am having the engine running below 10c. Dealer has been stonewalling on this issue, brushing me off with this is normal operation rhetoric. We all know that is BS. My wife has a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica with 16kw battery and we have not spent a penny on it other than oil changes which I do myself. It has 80,000 + kms and we can still get between 60 & 70 kms on electric in the warmer weather. The only time the engine runs is after the battery is depleted, when you call for heat in below 0c temps or if you need extra accelaration.
I agree william...I have the test videos on this channel look under my phev playlist that show for the first 4 years my car did not have the engine start when in electric with forced ev...under -30c the engine would run once to keep the oil pan warm....the proof is here...on the channel...and now mine was doing the same thing last winter...frequent engine starts...and I was down to 23km max with four engine runs per trip....now...for the summer the engine has not been coming on...I am waiting to see what happens this winter...
I think the North American dealer networks are so unschooled on the PHEV, they just don't know what they're doing, and will blow you off with statements we all, as owners, know are not true. I'm getting the cold engine starts in EV mode as well, even at 44F, well above freezing. It's super annoying.
Mitsubishi makes great cars. It's been my experience, parts are hard to get and expensive. Service centers are sparse compared to other brands. I prefer Toyota and Mazda myself. Good luck with your battery. Zoom Zoom.
You can probably still get a good price for your PHEV before the new facelift model with the 20Ah battery (2023) comes out, and while inventory is still pretty low on these.
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld You know despite the quirks I'm saving a ton on gas still. Mine was in for a scratch repair and I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee as a loaner. I spent at least $160 on gas, for a total of 380 km over a week. Just got the PHEV back and put in about $70. Guess-O-Meter says I should be able to get 427km and that's without any EV charge.
@@juanhusingz Yes...I know...still best bang for the buck...I just want them to fix this battery software BS....but I guess that will never happen...take it for what it is...and just drive it...
Good luck Gary. Not impressed with these electric vehicles. Isn't it true to replace the battery it cost big bucks? Plus the cars are far to costly for most. Thanks Gary.
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld I don't think it will be easy to get Mitsubishi to replace your battery if it shows the capacity well above 70%. That is their threshold for replacement, and from the large number of owners in the Facebook PHEV owners group who have dealt with the company, they will first do a DBCAM to try to get you back above 70%, and when you get there, no replacement.
@@jasonk19xx17 THx Jason..I agree... my problem was more when the car was starting (engine ) in the cold...we'll see what it does this fall...if it doesn't do that...I will just drive it and stop complaining...
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld I am having the same engine-start problem, so I have been following your experience. Today it decided to do it at 46F, and that's just not acceptable. Dealer is clueless. Thanks for all the time you spend sharing your knowledge.
My 2018. Driven it till today 60k KM. My battery is fine. Still getting 40-45KM. Have not taken in for any service. I do my own oil change etc. Maybe stop bringing it in to dealership and letting them do weird nonsense things to it.
Somethings not right there Gary, your battery age is showing 2 days. They have just reset it and not done the full battery service DBCAM (Drive Battery Capacity Automatic Measurement) You should have a yellow card in PHEV Watchdog... Good Luck!!
I asked Mitsubishi Ireland about a reset , they said it is madness & detrimental to the battery telling the car “here’s a new battery” then treating the old battery (at say 75%) as if it was new & charging it pass its ability! It will wear it out far far quicker!! (Kinda like bending a spoon back and forth , the further u bend it / or higher you charge it , the weaker it gets.. they only recommend recalls & updates. a cell smoothie is ok they say but not often. It has minimal results anyways (unless you want a wallet cleanse) BYD make great batteries!
Well, if they are not treating you right,kinda attacking you when you walk in the door,...they are probably ripping you off,or trying to. Looks like they ssik the dog on you, stick to your guns!!!
Yup..I feel attacked when I walk in and the first thing they say is..you may have voided your warranty...not hello...good day....great to see you this morning Mr. Reed....
Thank you for sharing your experience with PHEV outlander. I have done a pre booking for outlander PHEV 2023 model and I am now thinking if I should now go ahead as I can clearly see the battery issue will result in taking a lot of my time in future. Good luck with your battery replacement. It may not be a bad idea to escalate this issue in twitter and tagging Mitsubishi canada . All the best
I still stand by the fact that the plug in in certain circumstances is the best economic choice you can make. If you drive more than 100kms/hour...or have long commutes....its not a great choice...in town...family moving money saving slower speed driving...100% hands down a great choice...also my car is almost 5 years old...I have never had any other issues with the vehicle....mind you the battery issue is a time consuming pain in the ass...and is enough to stop me from buying another one...
The 2023 PHEV is a completely different car with a bigger battery and considerably longer range. Tough to tell if it will have the same performance issues as the outgoing model.
@@jasonk19xx17 bigger battery does not mean degradation is good or bad as same things can happen
Hi Gary,
I have the same vehicle as you and am having the engine running below 10c. Dealer has been stonewalling on this issue, brushing me off with this is normal operation rhetoric. We all know that is BS. My wife has a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica with 16kw battery and we have not spent a penny on it other than oil changes which I do myself. It has 80,000 + kms and we can still get between 60 & 70 kms on electric in the warmer weather. The only time the engine runs is after the battery is depleted, when you call for heat in below 0c temps or if you need extra accelaration.
I agree william...I have the test videos on this channel look under my phev playlist that show for the first 4 years my car did not have the engine start when in electric with forced ev...under -30c the engine would run once to keep the oil pan warm....the proof is here...on the channel...and now mine was doing the same thing last winter...frequent engine starts...and I was down to 23km max with four engine runs per trip....now...for the summer the engine has not been coming on...I am waiting to see what happens this winter...
I think the North American dealer networks are so unschooled on the PHEV, they just don't know what they're doing, and will blow you off with statements we all, as owners, know are not true. I'm getting the cold engine starts in EV mode as well, even at 44F, well above freezing. It's super annoying.
Gary? We confused. Are you back from your trip? CANADA had a hurricain!!
Man falls down rabbit hole in real time 🫠
Mitsubishi makes great cars. It's been my experience, parts are hard to get and expensive. Service centers are sparse compared to other brands. I prefer Toyota and Mazda myself. Good luck with your battery. Zoom Zoom.
Very true! I love the car other than fighting with them over this damn battery and service...
Perhaps she is like a doctors receptionist, we cant get passed them 🇬🇧🤷♀️
yep foreign cars are headaches 😩 . . been a Chevy girl since I learned how to drive . . get your new battery and run lol take care 🐶❤️🙋♀️
Will do!!
You can probably still get a good price for your PHEV before the new facelift model with the 20Ah battery (2023) comes out, and while inventory is still pretty low on these.
Like 30k-38K CDN I think if it's a GT
Its not a gt....and I'm keeping either way...I have two teenagers...one is driving and one will be shortly...
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld You know despite the quirks I'm saving a ton on gas still. Mine was in for a scratch repair and I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee as a loaner. I spent at least $160 on gas, for a total of 380 km over a week. Just got the PHEV back and put in about $70. Guess-O-Meter says I should be able to get 427km and that's without any EV charge.
@@juanhusingz Yes...I know...still best bang for the buck...I just want them to fix this battery software BS....but I guess that will never happen...take it for what it is...and just drive it...
Hello question do u still have your phev?
Would you recommend getting this vehicle for someone who don't have the ability to charge the battery?
Good luck!
Good luck Gary. Not impressed with these electric vehicles. Isn't it true to replace the battery it cost big bucks? Plus the cars are far to costly for most. Thanks Gary.
yes the batteries are expensive...but the cars have 10 year battery warranties...its just getting them to admit you need a new battery....
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld I don't think it will be easy to get Mitsubishi to replace your battery if it shows the capacity well above 70%. That is their threshold for replacement, and from the large number of owners in the Facebook PHEV owners group who have dealt with the company, they will first do a DBCAM to try to get you back above 70%, and when you get there, no replacement.
@@jasonk19xx17 THx Jason..I agree... my problem was more when the car was starting (engine ) in the cold...we'll see what it does this fall...if it doesn't do that...I will just drive it and stop complaining...
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld I am having the same engine-start problem, so I have been following your experience. Today it decided to do it at 46F, and that's just not acceptable. Dealer is clueless. Thanks for all the time you spend sharing your knowledge.
My 2018. Driven it till today 60k KM. My battery is fine. Still getting 40-45KM. Have not taken in for any service. I do my own oil change etc. Maybe stop bringing it in to dealership and letting them do weird nonsense things to it.
I might have to...
Somethings not right there Gary, your battery age is showing 2 days. They have just reset it and not done the full battery service DBCAM (Drive Battery Capacity Automatic Measurement) You should have a yellow card in PHEV Watchdog... Good Luck!!
How to update the battery? What is mean?
I wish I could get an electric car. I hope some day they are less expensive. I love my e-bike so I know I would love it.
No yellow card from
Phevwatchdog?
Or they just did a reset and no dbcam?
no dbcam...smoothing and reset...I've already had a dbcam....and japan says that is not good for the battery.
@@GaryReedUnfrequentedWorld thanks for the info planning to go to dealer soon
Think I will stick to my old car 🤣
I asked Mitsubishi Ireland about a reset , they said it is madness & detrimental to the battery telling the car “here’s a new battery” then treating the old battery (at say 75%) as if it was new & charging it pass its ability! It will wear it out far far quicker!! (Kinda like bending a spoon back and forth , the further u bend it / or higher you charge it , the weaker it gets.. they only recommend recalls & updates. a cell smoothie is ok they say but not often. It has minimal results anyways (unless you want a wallet cleanse)
BYD make great batteries!
I would truly like a green vehicle, but I would not like having such
issues.
Yep...its a pain in the tucass...
👍🏼
500 they said for dbcam/reset
What is a dBCam?
Well, if they are not treating you right,kinda attacking you when you walk in the door,...they are probably ripping you off,or trying to. Looks like they ssik the dog on you, stick to your guns!!!
Yup..I feel attacked when I walk in and the first thing they say is..you may have voided your warranty...not hello...good day....great to see you this morning Mr. Reed....
Did you know that it takes it takes 500 barrels Of oil To make one car battery electric car battery
Fake news...lets keep it real...
did you know 500 barrels of oil results in only 100barrels worth of actual vehicle motion??