I like to think that Elrond's greatest joy was passing into the west, stepping off the dock and seeing Celebrían once more. It's a beautiful picture in my mind.
Yes, this is something that I'd imagined as part of a hypothetical fanfic of what happens after the ringbearers get to Valinor. But then, mixing sorrow into the joyful moment, Celebrían will learn that she will never see her daughter again..
Your message about cherishing loved ones really hits home. My grandpa just died and I can't tell you how much I regret not doing more for him in his last days
@@MenoftheWest Thank you so much! It's channels like yours helping me get by. I can always guarantee a bit of a smile when I stop by Men of the West. If I can think of anything I'll let you know, but just knowing you care lightens my heart.
@@MenoftheWest Actually there is one thing you can do for me, I've kinda been telling everyone the same thing, give your mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, anyone you love a big hug for me, let em know you love em, cuz trust me regretting not saying that often enough is a pain you want to avoid.
"If I leave him now, i will regret it forever" It's sad; part of me wishes she would have stayed. Things might have turned out slightly different if she met the Fellowship or at least saw her daughter get married. Still a strong women of middle earth tho ❤
I think celebrian leaving explains why elrond was so protective of his daughter. He didnt want to lose another loved one. This is why aragorn had to become king first before he could marry arwen.
I seemed to spend more time with Middle Earth than anywhere else these days, whether it is on You Tube, writing fanfic or simply watching the movies. It sure beats the alternative!
Great video! Please do a video on Prince Imrahil! Such a unique character, he does A LOT in such a little time during the final battles in the War of the Ring. Plus his ancestors were half elven (not to mention numenorian) keep it up yoystan these videos help us through tough times!
Sadly her torment of mind could not be healed. Since orcs breed, I hate to imagine what their torment of her was. Her sons as it says in the books is that they never forgot their mother's torment and it burned in their hearts as I know it would mine.
I first read Lotr about 55 years ago. Even then, as a young teenager, I immediately thought of rape by Orcs. I don't know whether to be ashamed of this reaction, but there it is. I now understand from personal connection with three rape victims that it's the spirit that rape really destroys. Hence its long use as a weapon of war. 😥😥
I almost didn't play this one, so heavily this tale may weigh upon my heart sometimes. To see a loved one so aggrieved that the world has lost all its allure -- even all the wonders and beauties of nature and the arts -- is a helpless sensation, an empathy turned upon its head almost to madness. There is a special helplessness here, where she is lost but remains alive, just trapped, distant inside, still breathing yet already as one dead. To the evil that creates this horror, there will be no end to the vengeance against it. Of such sorrow is born the wrath of the twins she bore.
What an amazing video! It shows how J. R. R. Tolkien was thoroughly thoughtful and a master storyteller in his construction of the world of Middle Earth, AND how thoroughly you, Yosten, have looked into and unearthed the finer points of that history. Well done!
Thanks again for the video Yoystan, excellent as always! Celebrían sounds like a remarkable woman, not to mention her sons are pretty badass. It’s understandable why they were cut from the films, but I wish we could’ve seen something of them on the big screen. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who didn’t know their story or that they were part of the story to begin with, which is a shame because they deserve to be remembered.
Elladan and Elrohir appear in the indie movie "Born of Hope" and their roles are played by the twin actors Sam and Matt Kennard. They look like one could imagine Elladan and Elrohir would look like. The movie is on RUclips.
Fantastic video of a very interesting character and lots of other great info. I had no idea Galadriel and Celeborn had lived in the south of Middle Earth for a time in the Elf haven near Dol Amroth. I video about Elven colonies, towns or havens outside of the well known places like Lindon, Lorien, Greenwood, Rivendell etc.. would be very interesting. It makes sense their would be Elven towns elsewhere in Middle Earth the Elves have lived in Middle Earth before other Kingdoms rose but you don't hear about many of them, would be cool to know more.
I appreciate having a cleaner knowledge concerning Celebrian. I do not recall her mentioned in the Silmarilion or Unfinished tales. both included in my favorite reads
I can only imagine how I'd feel were my wife to sail into the west without me. Elrond is a very strong person. 😥 It's is truly amazing just how much grief the foul folk are responsible for. Curse them! 😡
It is quite lovely how Elrond would see many people after sailing west. Not only he would be reunited with his wife, but he would finally get to meet his own parents, Eärendil and Elwing, or even possibly his grandparents Tuor and Idril.
Nice, been waiting to learn more about this one. She must have been extremely powerful considering her lineage. My hope is the Amazon series comes to play, isn't is based on the second age? So many interesting characters.
Hi Yoystan! I have been watching your channel for nearly a year now and your videos are amazing! I have always loved Tolkien’s works and I have been watching the movies for many years. You also inspired me to start reading the books, and I have only just finished the first and second Lord of the Rings book, and they give so much more information and If I’m ever confused about it or I want to watch so good Lore videos then I come here! Thank you for making such amazing content! Have a great day wherever you are in Middle Earth! :)
Yoystan! I really enjoyed this video. I have written some fan fiction about Elrond and Celebrian but I learned some things about her that I didn't know or hadn't realised! Thanks I really enjoyed that!
@@brandonluker3660 Perhaps, you could ask the great eagles to help you find the orcs and aid you in your pipes recovery? One needs a pipe and plenty of pipe weed when travelling in Middle Earth.
I'd bet Elrond's return home to Valinor was a bittersweet day. He was reunited with his beloved wife but at the same time their family would still never be fully reunited with Arwen remaining in Middle Earth as Aragorn's wife and Queen.
I've been waiting for this for like forever thank you ❤ I would love to know more about there daughter Arwen and one part that I don't understand is that why she didn't leave middle earth after the death of aragorn and join her mother and father I mean legolas and gimli did why she didn't !!
Thank you! That is a great question, as it seems she could have stayed with Aragorn during his life and then gone. My guess is that she could not stay and also choose mortality, for she would have faded as an Elf, but I am unsure, I'll have to do more research on this question!
@@MenoftheWest She could no longer sail into the West. She had made her choice out of love for Aragorn, became human and was thereby bound to The Doom of Men. After Aragorn's death, instead of a sad, poignant dwindling in Middle Earth, she made the only choice she realistically could and gave up her spirit in Lorien. The saddest part for her and her family is that they were fated not to see each other again in Arda, as after the Third Age, the fates of Men and Elves were sundered while the world lasts.
I think in the appendages, if I remember right, Aragorn says to Arwen that he wished that she would take ship from the Havens to the West. She replies that that choice had been taken from her. There would be no ship that would take her.
I always love your take away when you end your videos. I look forward to them as much as the depth of the stories you publish. Until next time, fare well good friend!
I can't thank you enough for a wonderful video delving into the Middle-Earth lore. I hope you and your family and friends are well during this time of the virus.
I've got nothing to add about the history itself, but I do have a note about the illustration that pops up at 5:18 with Elrond, Celebrían and their children. It is a sweet image, but with an age difference of over 100 years, Elrohir and Elladan would have grown into young adults by the time that Arwen was born. And I wonder why the artist gave Elrond such light hair?
I thought it was Elrond and Celebrian at first, but if you look again, it looks more like Galadrial and Celeborn. Which is a nice thought of the grandparents hanging out with their grandkids, but yeah, Elrohir and Elladan were adults before Arwen was born.
Another banger keep up the great work man u really keep me not bored at the moment You are a hero for you slay the boredom May peace be upon you in these dark quarantine times
Great job I really enjoyed this. Could you do a video of what happend to places like rivendell lothlorien kazad dum ect ect after the fading of the ring plz
Mae govannen mellon Celebrían's tale has always sounded so dark and uncanny to me, even though I know it is implied not to be rape, it seems like that was the original story and Tolkien decided it would be too tragic (the poisoned wound is a bit random for me). Whatever the cause of her suffering, I feel really sorry for her and her family, even if we know so little. On a more positive note, Happy Easter! I wonder if there is an equivalent holiday in the Legendarium, maybe related to Vána of Yavánna. I would like to ask a question: I am considering, with the help of a group of friends, to do a rewriting of the Silmarillion keeping the story but adapting it to be more friendly to the major public (basically, being more of a prose than a history book). I am divide, though, on one side I see Tolkien's opinion on this kind of work and also consider that the Silmarillion is indeed beautiful and unique the way it is; on the other hand, this would be a work born of love for the Legendarium and not intended to substitute the Silmarillion or change it's essence in any way (maybe I think of myself like Aulë did with the dwarves), and there are so many interesting characters that would be amazing to see explored deeply on a more personal storytelling level, I don't know what to decide. Any opinions on the subject? Amazing work as always, I shouldn't forget to say P.s.: of course these writings wouldn't be for profit, they would be free for every reader to find and become interested in the world of Tolkien, and all my considerations as well as the position of the work as basically fanfiction would be clearly stated.
I think it's a fantastic idea! I love your intent is not to fundamentally change his works, but to bring interest to them. And as we live in different times than Tolkien, so must our approaches change. I think any publicity to his works is a good thing. Good luck! I'll be looking for your works in the future.
A very late answer, but it was because she was born in the Middle Earth and had never been in Valinor. Only elves who came to Middle Earth from the immortal lands had magical powers.
Reading the Return of the Shadow (a collection of Tolkien's drafts for Fellowship) crazy to think that the book could have been about a Hobbit named Bingo. Thanks for continuing to post these videos even while we struggle with this virus
Elladan and Elrohir did not go west with their mother, but stayed and played an active role during the time of Aragorn from when he was young up to his coronation.
Just bought the Silmarillion online. 🙏🙏🙏 Figured I'd brush up on my Tolkien lore and the Noldor. Elrond and Galadriel are my Favorite Elves but its amazing how many more Great Elves there are besides the ines we see in the Mainstream movies. I look forward to reading all of these books!
I mostly forgotten, Celebrían when reading the appendix, because she didn't have a lot of information!!! *Compared to Elrond!!!* Thanks for this video mellon, hoped you had a good birthday...Until a close Friendship Video...Marion Baggins Voting... *Again!!!*
6:11 I think I remember reading somewhere in the appendix of the LOTR's that Elladan and Elrohir chose to stay and be men. If anyone can find the information please post it. Thank you for the video.
nah, not sure where you got that from. Their eventual fate is never discussed. What is most likely though is that they end up in Valinor with their parents. Though perhaps they came along with Thranduil and Celeborn rather than with Galadriel, Cirdan and Elrond.
Happy Easter everyone and good video yoystan! And I have a question for everyone do you think arwens fate and maybe even the fellowships fate might have been different if she stayed in middle earth till the end of the war? And again Happy Easter everyone stay safe namarie!
I love all the stories and tales you guys make. One thing I've always wondered is what happen to Riverdale and the other elven cities after the elves left middle-earth? Did the cities disappear or did men move into them? Probably no one else wonders this LoL.
@Men of the West, The twin sons were in Rivendell when the fellowship arrived. Aragorn rides with the twins when riders are sent out to look for news or traces of the Nazgul. Likely they stayed in Middle Earth for revenge on the orcs for what they did to their mother, which is mentioned in the Fellowship of the Ring. I am paraphrasing the last bit, but I'm fairly sure it's accurate because there is mention that they hate orcs with a passion as their act of revenge.
On a different note.... I've always wondered what would have happened if the one ring was tossed into the door of night into the timeless void? I hope they do a theory video on that.
Can you do a future video on why Giladriel is so powerful, or who is the most powrful elf in Middle Earth during the third age? I just came from a History of Middle Earth Glorfindel video ;)
@@wyvernfallgaming but doesnt thst just amply her power? I know rings of power can directly have power, like Gandalf's ring giving courage to the Gondorians at Minas Tirith, but still, wouldnt that mean Giladriel had significantly more power than other elves?
You sure about the fates of Elladan and Elrohir? All the literature I've read says that they elected to remain in Middle-Earth with the Dunedain and become of mortal kind. Therefore, when Elrond reached Aman, he was reunited with his wife, but sundered at the last from his sons, and his beloved daughter Arwen. :'(
this was, again, delightful! thank you for Validating the WRITING of Tolkien, and the incredible world he gave us to explore! It's a shame how much Jackson diminished the various Powerful Characters for GOOD (like eliminating Elrohir and Elodan) while he pumped up the evil ones, far extending their screen time.
I like to think that Elrond's greatest joy was passing into the west, stepping off the dock and seeing Celebrían once more. It's a beautiful picture in my mind.
A Lovely image! Thank you!
That's okay. I didn't need to not cry today anyways. 😔❤
Yes, this is something that I'd imagined as part of a hypothetical fanfic of what happens after the ringbearers get to Valinor. But then, mixing sorrow into the joyful moment, Celebrían will learn that she will never see her daughter again..
But he would be leaving Arwen at the same time permanently. Maybe the twins too, but I feel they sailed to West.
Being in quarantine sucks, I haven’t had nothing but maggoty bread for three stinking days
Nip Nip never gets old 😂
LOL
BornAgain5M what about my legs, I don’t need those do I? Because they’re starting to look tasty
Hahaha. Thank you I need it a good laugh
Why didn't I think of that🤣
Your message about cherishing loved ones really hits home. My grandpa just died and I can't tell you how much I regret not doing more for him in his last days
Unlucky man I hope your grief becomes less and you remember when he was better.
I'm sorry to hear that, my friend. My heart goes out to you in these troubled times. Please let me know if there is anything I can do for you!
@@fabricatorgeneralchadius1114 Thank you. Yeah we're all trying to remember the good times. He was a special old guy.
@@MenoftheWest Thank you so much! It's channels like yours helping me get by. I can always guarantee a bit of a smile when I stop by Men of the West. If I can think of anything I'll let you know, but just knowing you care lightens my heart.
@@MenoftheWest Actually there is one thing you can do for me, I've kinda been telling everyone the same thing, give your mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, anyone you love a big hug for me, let em know you love em, cuz trust me regretting not saying that often enough is a pain you want to avoid.
Ah one of the characters with such little known about her, a truly mysterious character.
Thanks Yoystan for shedding light on these characters.
Elrond has had a pretty sad life :( Thank you for the video! I have always been very fascinated by Celebrian❤️
I wonder if her pain was similar to Frodo's pain from the morgul blade. Only the western lands could ease the pain.
"If I leave him now, i will regret it forever"
It's sad; part of me wishes she would have stayed. Things might have turned out slightly different if she met the Fellowship or at least saw her daughter get married.
Still a strong women of middle earth tho ❤
I think celebrian leaving explains why elrond was so protective of his daughter. He didnt want to lose another loved one. This is why aragorn had to become king first before he could marry arwen.
Who else is on a middle earth marathon(books,movies,videos) to pass the time
Yup, me too :)
Been reading the series all week and just binged all the movies last night (extended editions of course)
Think I'll pick up my books and movies and join the marathon!🧝♀️
I seemed to spend more time with Middle Earth than anywhere else these days, whether it is on You Tube, writing fanfic or simply watching the movies. It sure beats the alternative!
thats just normal life for me lol
I want a movie thats just 2 hours of Elladan and Elrohir wrecking Orcs.
Right
@@Jesse_andrew seen the raid or mad max fury road?
@@glennross85 no are they good then?
@@Jesse_andrew yes
So in other words: the Fall of Arnor? yes, yes please. It’s one of the most underappreciated parts of the Legendarium.
Great video! Please do a video on Prince Imrahil! Such a unique character, he does A LOT in such a little time during the final battles in the War of the Ring. Plus his ancestors were half elven (not to mention numenorian) keep it up yoystan these videos help us through tough times!
Thank you! Oh for sure, I love the Prince! Thank you, my friend, I'm glad I can help! Take care!
Ah, a nice way to kill quarantine time, keep staying strong fellow LoTR lovers
You too :)
No i Melain na le
May the Valar be with you.
You too. We can get through this!!
You as well, my friend!
Sadly her torment of mind could not be healed. Since orcs breed, I hate to imagine what their torment of her was. Her sons as it says in the books is that they never forgot their mother's torment and it burned in their hearts as I know it would mine.
Most likely torture, elves cannot be forced, they'll die first.
@@jeangardyhector71 How did you know that?
I first read Lotr about 55 years ago. Even then, as a young teenager, I immediately thought of rape by Orcs. I don't know whether to be ashamed of this reaction, but there it is. I now understand from personal connection with three rape victims that it's the spirit that rape really destroys. Hence its long use as a weapon of war. 😥😥
I almost didn't play this one, so heavily this tale may weigh upon my heart sometimes. To see a loved one so aggrieved that the world has lost all its allure -- even all the wonders and beauties of nature and the arts -- is a helpless sensation, an empathy turned upon its head almost to madness. There is a special helplessness here, where she is lost but remains alive, just trapped, distant inside, still breathing yet already as one dead. To the evil that creates this horror, there will be no end to the vengeance against it. Of such sorrow is born the wrath of the twins she bore.
Guess even Elrond has fine taste in women.
@StarkMMO Elleths
So do orcs 😭
What an amazing video! It shows how J. R. R. Tolkien was thoroughly thoughtful and a master storyteller in his construction of the world of Middle Earth, AND how thoroughly you, Yosten, have looked into and unearthed the finer points of that history. Well done!
Thanks again for the video Yoystan, excellent as always!
Celebrían sounds like a remarkable woman, not to mention her sons are pretty badass.
It’s understandable why they were cut from the films, but I wish we could’ve seen something of them on the big screen.
I can’t imagine I’m the only one who didn’t know their story or that they were part of the story to begin with, which is a shame because they deserve to be remembered.
Elladan and Elrohir appear in the indie movie "Born of Hope" and their roles are played by the twin actors Sam and Matt Kennard. They look like one could imagine Elladan and Elrohir would look like. The movie is on RUclips.
Wonderful to see you :) Take care, and thanks for being here with us in this difficult time
Have you done a study on Elrond's twin son? Would like to see more on them, I recall them popping up every now and then in the books being heroic!
Although the thumbnail was quite provocative, all the more provocative was your voice. Rich and deep, just like the forests of Mirkwood
I always wondered exactly who elrond's wife was. Thanks again for a great video.
Fantastic video of a very interesting character and lots of other great info. I had no idea Galadriel and Celeborn had lived in the south of Middle Earth for a time in the Elf haven near Dol Amroth. I video about Elven colonies, towns or havens outside of the well known places like Lindon, Lorien, Greenwood, Rivendell etc.. would be very interesting. It makes sense their would be Elven towns elsewhere in Middle Earth the Elves have lived in Middle Earth before other Kingdoms rose but you don't hear about many of them, would be cool to know more.
I appreciate having a cleaner knowledge concerning Celebrian. I do not recall her mentioned in the Silmarilion or Unfinished tales. both included in my favorite reads
I can only imagine how I'd feel were my wife to sail into the west without me. Elrond is a very strong person. 😥
It's is truly amazing just how much grief the foul folk are responsible for. Curse them! 😡
Elrond lost his twin brother, his parents, wife and eventually his children. A very strong individual
If they ever understood the cost ERU would inflict upon them...! But, then, they think they're doing it for free.
@@carolrondou6161 I think he can still see his father in the sky, as a star.
@@carolrondou6161 his adoptiv parents/kidnappers and whatever gilgalad was to him too
Elrond got to see his wife and mom again after sailing West.
What a sad ending for her. Some wounds can not be healed. Thanks for the video Yoystan
The moral of the story you give gets me every time. Thank you this retelling and all of your hard work.
Last time I was this early, the Song of the Ainur hadn't been sung yet.
It is quite lovely how Elrond would see many people after sailing west. Not only he would be reunited with his wife, but he would finally get to meet his own parents, Eärendil and Elwing, or even possibly his grandparents Tuor and Idril.
Nice, been waiting to learn more about this one. She must have been extremely powerful considering her lineage. My hope is the Amazon series comes to play, isn't is based on the second age? So many interesting characters.
Hi Yoystan! I have been watching your channel for nearly a year now and your videos are amazing! I have always loved Tolkien’s works and I have been watching the movies for many years. You also inspired me to start reading the books, and I have only just finished the first and second Lord of the Rings book, and they give so much more information and If I’m ever confused about it or I want to watch so good Lore videos then I come here! Thank you for making such amazing content! Have a great day wherever you are in Middle Earth! :)
Yoystan! I really enjoyed this video. I have written some fan fiction about Elrond and Celebrian but I learned some things about her that I didn't know or hadn't realised! Thanks I really enjoyed that!
This Channel is too awesome for this world❤️
I love that Elrond could get the chance to see her again when he saied west to Valinor. They seemed so happy
Sad story that reminds us all to enjoy spending time with our loved ones as much as possible. Thank you. Cheers.
Has anyone seen my bag of Longbottom leaf? I seem to have misplaced it, maybe, I left it by the party tree?
Ah yes Old Toby, the finest weed in the Southfarthing!
@@brandonluker3660 Oh, dear! Now I seem to have lost my pipe!
@@CharlesMarlow1898 At least yours was lost, mine was taken by a nasty orc
@@brandonluker3660About 20 years ago I had some orcs break into my garage and take 5 Longbottom leaf plants I'd been growing all summer. 😡😡
@@brandonluker3660 Perhaps, you could ask the great eagles to help you find the orcs and aid you in your pipes recovery? One needs a pipe and plenty of pipe weed when travelling in Middle Earth.
I'd bet Elrond's return home to Valinor was a bittersweet day. He was reunited with his beloved wife but at the same time their family would still never be fully reunited with Arwen remaining in Middle Earth as Aragorn's wife and Queen.
I've been waiting for this for like forever thank you ❤ I would love to know more about there daughter Arwen and one part that I don't understand is that why she didn't leave middle earth after the death of aragorn and join her mother and father I mean legolas and gimli did why she didn't !!
Thank you! That is a great question, as it seems she could have stayed with Aragorn during his life and then gone. My guess is that she could not stay and also choose mortality, for she would have faded as an Elf, but I am unsure, I'll have to do more research on this question!
@@MenoftheWest thank youu ! if you find the answer please let us know ❤
@@MenoftheWest She could no longer sail into the West. She had made her choice out of love for Aragorn, became human and was thereby bound to The Doom of Men. After Aragorn's death, instead of a sad, poignant dwindling in Middle Earth, she made the only choice she realistically could and gave up her spirit in Lorien. The saddest part for her and her family is that they were fated not to see each other again in Arda, as after the Third Age, the fates of Men and Elves were sundered while the world lasts.
@@MenoftheWest Mortality indeed.
I think in the appendages, if I remember right, Aragorn says to Arwen that he wished that she would take ship from the Havens to the West. She replies that that choice had been taken from her. There would be no ship that would take her.
I always love your take away when you end your videos. I look forward to them as much as the depth of the stories you publish. Until next time, fare well good friend!
Nicely done, always enjoy character histories that get lesser lime-light in the books.
Yoisten, I will hound you to the ends of Arda until we get our our Samwise vs Farmer Maggot video. Baruk-farmrumm! farmrumm ai-menu!
Happy Easter everyone, and you especially mate!
Always been curious about the wife of Elrond 🧝♂️ looking forward to this!
Did not disappoint. Wonderful lesson!
@@brianmessemer2973 Thank you, I'm glad to hear it!
@@MenoftheWest did you dislike my comment?😔
@@loganmeyers2078 Sorry I think it was held for review automatically. Should be there now!
@@MenoftheWest I was just curious about what you thought of my opinion. ❤
Happy Easter Yoysten! Always a pleasure to end my Sundays watching one of your videos.
im glad that Elrond's sons were able to save their mother before she turned into an orc or a Ura kai
I have read these books seance 68 and you bring them to life thanks.
I can't thank you enough for a wonderful video delving into the Middle-Earth lore. I hope you and your family and friends are well during this time of the virus.
I love Celebrian and Elrond. Thanks for doing this one!
Great video and interesting topic (as always).
i appreciate all the effort and reearch that goes into these videos. one could only ever hope to have as much knowledge as you
I've got nothing to add about the history itself, but I do have a note about the illustration that pops up at 5:18 with Elrond, Celebrían and their children. It is a sweet image, but with an age difference of over 100 years, Elrohir and Elladan would have grown into young adults by the time that Arwen was born. And I wonder why the artist gave Elrond such light hair?
I thought it was Elrond and Celebrian at first, but if you look again, it looks more like Galadrial and Celeborn. Which is a nice thought of the grandparents hanging out with their grandkids, but yeah, Elrohir and Elladan were adults before Arwen was born.
Happy Easter Yoystan, I hope you're safe and healthy out there too. 🐣
To hear the elves history and story eases my soul during my isolation. Thank you
Finally some background history on Arwen’s mother.
@Men of the West what art is that from at 8:04?
A really interesting video! I have always been interested in this character.
Mae govannen Yoystan. Happy Easter!
Another banger keep up the great work man u really keep me not bored at the moment
You are a hero for you slay the boredom May peace be upon you in these dark quarantine times
Thank you! Always look foreward to your telling of these wonderful stories!
Awesome video! Hi Yoystan, Can you do a character history on Tharanduil's wife...history from the hobbit states she died in Angmar...?
Whenever I see maps of Middle Earth, I have an urge to explore all the unknown locations.
Probably best to stay clear of Minas Morgul.
Thanks for another great video.
Great job I really enjoyed this. Could you do a video of what happend to places like rivendell lothlorien kazad dum ect ect after the fading of the ring plz
Mae govannen mellon
Celebrían's tale has always sounded so dark and uncanny to me, even though I know it is implied not to be rape, it seems like that was the original story and Tolkien decided it would be too tragic (the poisoned wound is a bit random for me). Whatever the cause of her suffering, I feel really sorry for her and her family, even if we know so little.
On a more positive note, Happy Easter! I wonder if there is an equivalent holiday in the Legendarium, maybe related to Vána of Yavánna.
I would like to ask a question: I am considering, with the help of a group of friends, to do a rewriting of the Silmarillion keeping the story but adapting it to be more friendly to the major public (basically, being more of a prose than a history book). I am divide, though, on one side I see Tolkien's opinion on this kind of work and also consider that the Silmarillion is indeed beautiful and unique the way it is; on the other hand, this would be a work born of love for the Legendarium and not intended to substitute the Silmarillion or change it's essence in any way (maybe I think of myself like Aulë did with the dwarves), and there are so many interesting characters that would be amazing to see explored deeply on a more personal storytelling level, I don't know what to decide. Any opinions on the subject?
Amazing work as always, I shouldn't forget to say
P.s.: of course these writings wouldn't be for profit, they would be free for every reader to find and become interested in the world of Tolkien, and all my considerations as well as the position of the work as basically fanfiction would be clearly stated.
I think it's a fantastic idea! I love your intent is not to fundamentally change his works, but to bring interest to them. And as we live in different times than Tolkien, so must our approaches change. I think any publicity to his works is a good thing. Good luck! I'll be looking for your works in the future.
Such a tragic tale. As the daughter of Galadriel, how did she not have the power to lay waste to all those Orcs?!
A very late answer, but it was because she was born in the Middle Earth and had never been in Valinor. Only elves who came to Middle Earth from the immortal lands had magical powers.
Thank you for this video! It inspired me to reread all of my Tolkien books as watch all of my LOTR and Hobbit trilogies again!!
Her rescue is an epic untold tale...
Reading the Return of the Shadow (a collection of Tolkien's drafts for Fellowship) crazy to think that the book could have been about a Hobbit named Bingo. Thanks for continuing to post these videos even while we struggle with this virus
Love this video❤ Best way to kill boredom during quarantine. Stay home and stay safe everyone!
Elladan and Elrohir did not go west with their mother, but stayed and played an active role during the time of Aragorn from when he was young up to his coronation.
Awesome video thanks :)
Just bought the Silmarillion online. 🙏🙏🙏 Figured I'd brush up on my Tolkien lore and the Noldor. Elrond and Galadriel are my Favorite Elves but its amazing how many more Great Elves there are besides the ines we see in the Mainstream movies. I look forward to reading all of these books!
Your vids are the best medicine for these times!!🙏
Drink game: Take a shot every time he says Celebrrrrrrian.
5 minutes in and I'm already wasted
Can you do a video on the pronunciation of names of peoples and places throughout tolkiens work please
Good story. I don't think i was aware who Celeborn was descended from. Thanks for that tid bit. ✌
I mostly forgotten, Celebrían when reading the appendix, because she didn't have a lot of information!!! *Compared to Elrond!!!*
Thanks for this video mellon, hoped you had a good birthday...Until a close Friendship Video...Marion Baggins Voting... *Again!!!*
Hoppy Easter, Tinuviel. Stay safe Mellon.
@@gobigblue6782 Thanks, you too!!!
Happy Easter, Mellon!
Yoysten. Do an epic character history on Elronds twins
I'd forgotten the names of Arwen's brothers.
6:11 I think I remember reading somewhere in the appendix of the LOTR's that Elladan and Elrohir chose to stay and be men. If anyone can find the information please post it. Thank you for the video.
nah, not sure where you got that from. Their eventual fate is never discussed. What is most likely though is that they end up in Valinor with their parents. Though perhaps they came along with Thranduil and Celeborn rather than with Galadriel, Cirdan and Elrond.
@@golwenlothlindel Cool, thank you.
Happy Easter everyone and good video yoystan! And I have a question for everyone do you think arwens fate and maybe even the fellowships fate might have been different if she stayed in middle earth till the end of the war? And again Happy Easter everyone stay safe namarie!
I love all the stories and tales you guys make. One thing I've always wondered is what happen to Riverdale and the other elven cities after the elves left middle-earth? Did the cities disappear or did men move into them? Probably no one else wonders this LoL.
I think it's mentioned that Lothlorien is deserted. And also, it's Rivendell
@@tovunguyentrang07 yeah I didn't catch that spell check changed it LoL
@Men of the West, The twin sons were in Rivendell when the fellowship arrived. Aragorn rides with the twins when riders are sent out to look for news or traces of the Nazgul. Likely they stayed in Middle Earth for revenge on the orcs for what they did to their mother, which is mentioned in the Fellowship of the Ring. I am paraphrasing the last bit, but I'm fairly sure it's accurate because there is mention that they hate orcs with a passion as their act of revenge.
On a different note.... I've always wondered what would have happened if the one ring was tossed into the door of night into the timeless void? I hope they do a theory video on that.
What could possibly go wrong? I mean, it's not like Morgoth is in the timeless void... Oh wait.
Can you do a future video on why Giladriel is so powerful, or who is the most powrful elf in Middle Earth during the third age? I just came from a History of Middle Earth Glorfindel video ;)
Galadriel has 1 of the elven rings of power that's why
@@wyvernfallgaming but doesnt thst just amply her power? I know rings of power can directly have power, like Gandalf's ring giving courage to the Gondorians at Minas Tirith, but still, wouldnt that mean Giladriel had significantly more power than other elves?
She is the daughter of Finarfin, saw the Two Trees, had Melian as mentor and has an elven ring.
You sure about the fates of Elladan and Elrohir? All the literature I've read says that they elected to remain in Middle-Earth with the Dunedain and become of mortal kind. Therefore, when Elrond reached Aman, he was reunited with his wife, but sundered at the last from his sons, and his beloved daughter Arwen. :'(
What a perfect character to write a story around if you don’t have full access to Tolkien’s estate.
A very extremely second great video as always Men of the West.
this was, again, delightful! thank you for Validating the WRITING of Tolkien, and the incredible world he gave us to explore! It's a shame how much Jackson diminished the various Powerful Characters for GOOD (like eliminating Elrohir and Elodan) while he pumped up the evil ones, far extending their screen time.
Grand video!
Great Video! What if you did an epic character history of Prince Imrahil?
Thank you for another enjoyable tales.
On what server are you playing at LOTRO?
I am so envious how you can trill those Rs!
Could you please turn the subtitle on?
"Whether it is an orc attack, or something else, we never know what may come and change it all"
Prob... probably something else I reckon.
I had no idea Elrond had a wife.
Am I the only one who imagines the fact that Elrond didn’t confess his crush right away as a rom-com?
Could you do a video on who was Dain the first of the iron foot?
Thank you!
Since her name was "Silver Crown" I assume she probably had silver hair.