Tesla Powerwall 3 Vs Enphase 5P VS Franklin Battery vs Tesla Powerwall 3 VS 2 Powerwall Alternative

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  • @solarbygreengreg
    @solarbygreengreg  9 месяцев назад +1

    Greg Can Be Reached at :
    solarbygreengreg@gmail.com
    727-219-9785 text or call
    For Product Sponsorships , Solar Consulting and quote , etc
    I’m located in Tampa , Florida Area but I do have contacts with solar companies across U.S.A.
    Quick update: 1) PW 3 recent update allows AC Coupling
    2) Video was done pre-release PW 3 Specs have been updated-see tesla spec sheet.

    • @mariloubannon5874
      @mariloubannon5874 3 месяца назад

      I don’t understand why convert from dc to ac and then back to dc. Why can’t you wire each panel, dc to dc and have an inverter when selling to PGE?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  2 месяца назад

      @@mariloubannon5874 Yes you can do solar panel DC to battery DC .. then export dc-ac or import ac to dc -to charge battery .. Solar edge (Home Hub or Storedge models ) and string inverters work this way .. less conversions and more efficiency ... However, many homeowners adding batteries onto existing solar that does not have battery ready inverter... in this case an AC coupled is better solution.. Also, many times with a DC couipled like Solar edge you don't have many options .. in case of Solar edge either Solaredge battery or LG battery only .

  • @ColbyWest-jh7bx
    @ColbyWest-jh7bx 6 месяцев назад +6

    Great video!
    Tesla PW3 does have PCS as well with their backup switch (BUS)

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  6 месяцев назад

      Yes they do Noted .. thanks for watching...

  • @solarbygreengreg
    @solarbygreengreg  4 месяца назад +4

    Quick update: 1) PW 3 recent Tesla update allows AC Coupling as of May 2024
    2) Video was done pre-release PW 3 Specs have been updated-see tesla spec sheet.

  • @davidfrancis8899
    @davidfrancis8899 6 месяцев назад +6

    Thanks for this detailed review and your comments .. i think enphase has the best product .. lets face it you are going to be living with your choice for a long time .. enphase is the best to live with .. in terms of longest warranty . One app does it all , and biggest versatility …

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  5 месяцев назад

      I agree … right now enphase is best … not cheapest …but you get what you pay for .. thanks for watching

  • @tusharsuthar3666
    @tusharsuthar3666 7 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Greg, I am debating between Franklin and Tesla Powerwall 3 for my 8.6kWh system. Based on your video and other research, I feel Franklin gives more flexibility and better warranty, compared to Tesla 3. What would be your recommendation?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад +1

      I suggest having a local solarv company quote you both... and evaluate your needs .. both are great units but Powerwall 3 is for new solar you would need Powerwall 2 if going Tesla ..and yes FRanklkin better working with other brands inverters , ev chargers etc ...

  • @bdtang
    @bdtang 7 месяцев назад +5

    Have a Tesla power 3 that will be installed with our new solar. Integration to existing app like the Tesla app since already have a Tesla model Y as well as potential to participate in Tesla Energy VPP was why we went with the Powerwall 3.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад

      That makes sense .. This is why I always say every customer has different priorities and circumstances .. no one size fits all ...
      Power wall 3 is a great unit. Congratulations on your purchase!

    • @mattzothner
      @mattzothner 4 месяца назад

      what are your VPP earnings looking like?

  • @tdsil
    @tdsil 7 месяцев назад +1

    I’m considering a number of proposals for a solar system on my house. This is exactly what I needed! Easy to understand comparison. I think enphase due to the modularity, make up (LFP- safer), and resiliency. A couple of emphases batteries with micro inverters costs a little more but there are no single points of failure. I wish emphases could stack on each other for maximizing space but oh well. I was looking at generac batteries due to DC coupled and modularity but I haven’t seen anything new from them in a while and I am concerned they will be exiting the market.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад +1

      In my opinion Enphase is best option right now. Great instalerc and homeowner support. Best product. Generac Powercell I tried a few years ago lots of problems .. I don't know if it's changed but I'm not selling them. Thanks for watching!

  • @stevepessy
    @stevepessy 2 месяца назад

    I have a company wanting to use micro inverters from Enphase but Tesla 3 batteries for there capacity. Would you recommend this? Would it be just a waste of cost paying for micros since the batteries has this function. I don't get some shade where they will be placed but not allot.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  2 месяца назад +1

      Good Question....I have seen this Enphase/Tesla PW combo before... Enphase micros ... besides optimizing for shade .. you get redundency.. if a micro goes out ..rest of solar panels keep working.. , homeowner can verify all solar panels working w/individual panel monitoring and 25 yrs warranty ... I haven't seen your roof so don't know how much shade is issue If a little shade only winter months and only certain times of day--really early morning / really late afternoon .. probably can just use a PW3 .. PW3 has several inputs so if one roof or string has more sun vs another it can optimize ....but if PW3 fails you have no solar and no battery... I'm wondering why not spend a little more and get a Full Enphase IQ8 and Enphase 5P batteries? By having all Enphase everything in 1 app and the have a great whole home energy management system ... Also Enphase 5p 15 yrs warranty vs Tesla 10 yrs ... However .. Enphase will cost more and take up more wall space (or you can get a pedestal) There could be other factors that I don't know about .... just my thoughts ... everything has pro and cons depending on the home and customer...

  • @eclipsegsx96
    @eclipsegsx96 8 месяцев назад +1

    I have a 4kw solar only with sunsun but I want to upgrade more panels and battery backup what would you recommend Tesla solar/1-2 batteries or sunrun? Family of 4 plus 1 EV coming this summer in CA.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  8 месяцев назад

      I'm not familiar with batteries Sunrun uses ... but Tesla isa good choice,

  • @LilyLin-jm7he
    @LilyLin-jm7he 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great pre! Since you mentioned that if we buy Tesla Powerwall 3, we don't need to buy microinverter. Do you think this will result in decreasing of Enphase microinverter?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад +1

      Do you mean having powerwall 3 have less electric production vs Enphase ?
      If this what you mean … enphase will be better if have some solar panejs that may get shade certain times of day or certain months

  • @DepacDennz
    @DepacDennz 4 месяца назад +2

    riverside ca thank u sir

  • @dynapl
    @dynapl 6 месяцев назад +4

    The Tesla Powerwall 3 does have load shedding capability.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  6 месяцев назад +1

      Yes note ... but only communicates with Tesla products ... not with non-Tesla products

    • @dynapl
      @dynapl 6 месяцев назад

      @@solarbygreengreg should be clarified in the video

  • @truebengalsfan
    @truebengalsfan 4 месяца назад

    Are these batteries only meant to be backup power or can these be use 24/7 off grid

  • @kathyrichmond5835
    @kathyrichmond5835 9 месяцев назад +2

    Deserves more views. Very helpful and understandable for those startingbon this journey. Greetings from the uk

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  9 месяцев назад

      Really appreciate the complement lots hours work on this one! Cheers !

  • @brentjohnson6654
    @brentjohnson6654 3 месяца назад +1

    As a ham radio operator I do not like Enphase or Solar Edge as they generate so much RFI to make my low frequencies unusable even as far away as a couple of blocks.

    • @DougThompson
      @DougThompson 2 дня назад

      Thanks for pointing that out. By low frequencies do you mean 40 meters and below? Thanks again, might not use the Enphase system.

  • @erictaada6967
    @erictaada6967 7 месяцев назад +2

    Distilled knowledge, curated guidance. Thank you Greg.

  • @garygoodwin3461
    @garygoodwin3461 4 месяца назад

    Are you saiying that I cannot use off the shelf solar panels for a new Powerwall 3 system?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  4 месяца назад

      You can use any solar panejs with powerwall 3
      Thanks fir watching

  • @thomasjacques5286
    @thomasjacques5286 3 месяца назад

    I have heard that Tesla PW3 now has an AC capability. Can you confirm? I have 31 panels mated to 31 Enphase IQ8A Inverters feeding a 4C Combiner box.

    • @alzuu1
      @alzuu1 3 месяца назад

      It does - they added it recently.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  2 месяца назад

      Yes just recently Tesla has update that allows AC coupling ... You might want to consider Enphase 5p ,,,, since you have enphase inverters

  • @tonysid3563
    @tonysid3563 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great presentation, Greg! Thanks for the in-depth information.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching ! I appreciate the compliment .

  • @AlexLepore-xi8qn
    @AlexLepore-xi8qn 5 месяцев назад

    Hi Greg,
    I am the Sales Director of Fortress Power, would you be interested in reviewing and testing our differentiated whole home energy solutions that have built in load shedding and EV charger integration?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  5 месяцев назад

      Hey Alex, Let's talk .. please send e-mail Solarbygreengreg@gmail.com thanks

  • @texasie8015
    @texasie8015 6 месяцев назад +5

    Hey Greg, I have to disagree with you. We have installed FranklinWH and Enphase and I find the Franklin to be superior.
    Currently the cost for the first FranklinWH fully installed is $15,000.
    Every subsequent FranklinWH is $10,000.
    $25,000 gets you 2x FranklinWH at over 27kW of power = $0.95/W
    The first Enphase 5p will cost you $9,000
    The second will cost $6,000, maybe closer to $5,000, but lets stick with $6,000.
    If you install 4x Enphase 5P batteries that will run you $27,000.
    $27,000 for 20kW of power = $1.35/W.
    That's a big gap in $/W.
    The 5P allows for a person to run more off less battery size, but you do not have the storage reservoir to run large appliances like the AC for as long as the FranklinWH.
    Both batteries are awesome and I have no qualm installing either, but when clients ask which is better I don't hesitate to say FranklinWH.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  6 месяцев назад

      I mentioned in video Enphase is most expensive per KWh storage I was very clear on this in conclusion part of video …. I also mentioned that Franklin and Tesla likely lowest although pricing always changing since I published in December powerwall 3 pricing not available yet… Your pricing on Enphass is higher than market … most installers charging $13k for qty 2 enphase 5p. Which is min qty I recommend if they want to run anything big …
      Thanks for watching

  • @f.robertfalbo9800
    @f.robertfalbo9800 7 месяцев назад +3

    I'll take it you haven't looked ar the actual PW3 specs, because they list an LRA of 185A, not 150.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад +2

      My video was prior to PW 3 release date … I used specs on Tesla website at that time … being a new product they may have updated and changed specs

  • @stuffkip
    @stuffkip 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank- you, this was soooo helpful in great layman terms.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  7 месяцев назад

      Great! Glad you found helpful. Thanks for watching.

  • @AshayHumane
    @AshayHumane 6 месяцев назад +3

    "Ethernet" is the same as "Wired" isn't it?

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  6 месяцев назад

      yes

    • @bentoboxer
      @bentoboxer 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@solarbygreengreg Why did you not circle that for Franklin then?

  • @tusharsuthar3666
    @tusharsuthar3666 7 месяцев назад +1

    Great summary! Quite educational.

  • @ddyoder
    @ddyoder 8 месяцев назад +5

    Im a big Enphase fanboy -- and you outline many reasons in this video. It's about the resiliency, optionality, and peace of mind (warranty). Moreover, Enphase is an expanding platform incorporating generators, EVs and bi-directional charging, and ease of use considerations like load shedding. YMMV but I think Enphase is a great way to go

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  8 месяцев назад

      I agree. Thanks for watching.

    • @mattzothner
      @mattzothner 4 месяца назад

      any chance I could ask you a few questions related to your Enphase experience? Trying to understand battery incentives and VPPs. Thanks

  • @Nikky-io6yv
    @Nikky-io6yv 6 месяцев назад

    Here is an option that does not require solar, but can be added and is far more affordable. Bronco Power Boost.

  • @zoomzoom1889
    @zoomzoom1889 9 месяцев назад +2

    Extremely detailed, exactly what I was looking for

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  9 месяцев назад

      Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching.

  • @rpdx3
    @rpdx3 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nice comparison. Thanks!

  • @Dallas-wu6st
    @Dallas-wu6st 7 месяцев назад +8

    I disagree with wanting a smaller battery capacity. Why not get one large battery rather than having to go back and buy and install another battery? Plus the more power you have in reserve the better!

    • @gregm448
      @gregm448 7 месяцев назад +3

      Well it’s nice when homeowners are willing to buy more capacity … but with each battery 13kwh over $10k+ with install buying another 13 kw is not in their budget or willing to pay to get a little more capacity …if someone needs 20 KWh is would be cheaper likely to get 4 enphase 5p vs getting 2 powerwalls etc 😊

    • @Nikky-io6yv
      @Nikky-io6yv 6 месяцев назад +1

      It boils down to cost. Many times getting 2 smaller batteries while doubling the number of circuits that are powered is more affordable. Plus it takes less time to recharge a smaller battery. Most people don't need higher capacity. It all depends on what is essential for your property. See Bronco Power Boost.

    • @sustainability8200
      @sustainability8200 6 месяцев назад +3

      You should rewatch the video and pay close attention to what he said about the advantages of the Enphase system. I looked at all of these and more ESS systems and I chose Enphase and it wasn’t really even close once you fully understand these systems. But most are looking for the cheapest route and are soon disappointed after they start seeing all the limitations and problems come up. This is not an area where you want to guess at. My 20kwh system was less than the Tesla system and a little bit more than the Franklin but far more superior in just about all respects. Hands down Enphase. I do it again.

    • @woohooivan
      @woohooivan 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@gregm448it is usually not cheaper as Tesla has their backup switch which reduces installation cost substantially. Wall space needed for PW vs 5p isn’t even comparable. 5ps take up a ridiculous amount of space.

    • @gregm448
      @gregm448 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@woohooivan As mentionee in conclusion Enphase will be more expensive in most cases except if doing 20kW battery vs 2 Powerwalls ... Yes Enphase takes up more wall space but with higher peak output many homes will need less battery capacity . As I said in video there is no one size fits all .. all depends on situation and budget of homeowner .

  • @freeheeler09
    @freeheeler09 4 месяца назад

    We need a very big, ugly, heavy, safe, long lasting and inexpensive home batteries made of commonly available materials
    . A 50 kWh battery for less than $10,000 would store enough solar power to run the average home throughout the year. I’m in California where I’m paying $0.41 per kWh off peak. In the late afternoon and early evening on “smart event days”, I’m paying several times that. And, the prices we pay will only go up and up in the near future. The Chinese are selling whole cars with four times the energy storage of pitifully small and weak Powerwalls. Someone, please make us a big, ugly, heavy, safe and inexpensive battery! You will get rich and you will disrupt the entire electricity industry

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  4 месяца назад

      I agree … lower cost would motivate more homeowners to buy batteries … I too would buy ugly if lower cost. 😀 thanks for watching!

  • @richarnold1224
    @richarnold1224 9 месяцев назад +2

    sorry ill pass on 2X the cost of Tesla to go with Enphase

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  9 месяцев назад

      That's why I discussed all 4 options .. everyone has a different budget or different features they want .... Tesla Powewrwall 3 is a good value if looking at price only ...
      THanks for watching.

  • @passerau
    @passerau 5 месяцев назад +5

    Stop it 🤣😂😂😅😅😂😂🤣😂 please stop. "Smaller capacity is better"
    This is an enphase commercial not a real comparison.😏

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  5 месяцев назад

      Pleaee listen I did not say smaller is better … simply that having smaller building blocks is more scalable you can right size the system better … for example if you want 20kWH of capacity with other options you would have to buy 2x 13.5kwh = 27 kWh. Vs enphase you can. Get 4@ 5kWH = 20 kWh
      This is not commercial for enphase as I said several times in video there is no one size / one brand for everyone … there are certain reasons why someone may get other brands … and this is why I’m listing comparisons for each option and same in conclusion … really I think all this brands are a good option .. just depends on features , budget , and job site conditions ie kWh usage , net metering etc
      Thanks for watching

    • @passerau
      @passerau 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@solarbygreengreg don't worry I got you 1:59
      Let's be honest. When someone switches to solar energy, having the ability to store that energy with a larger battery is always a good bet.
      Unfortunately, none of these options offer a good return on investment (ROI) in my opinion because they are way too expensive and Enphase is the worst of them.

    • @alzuu1
      @alzuu1 3 месяца назад

      @@passerau In my state, the ROI is better with batteries than without batteries so it's constantly changing. And the proposal I saw had enphase batteries and if you get a powerwall 3 for example, the ROI would be even better. It all depends on the incentives and net metering policies you have in your area.

  • @austondanger420
    @austondanger420 5 месяцев назад

    Not to toot my own horn or anything, but how did you avoid talking about service for all of these manufacturers? Have you tried calling enphase/tesla service lines? Enjoy your 30-60+ minute wait to speak to someone. FranklinWH's average wait time for service is less than 2 minutes (all of 2024 so far, I can share the data with you). I also agree with EVERYTHING said by @texasie8015. There's some other inaccuracies on the FranklinWH product as well. I'll let some of my colleagues chime in here.

    • @austondanger420
      @austondanger420 5 месяцев назад

      Just a few inaccuracies to clarify from FranklinWH side.
      - Franklin does have PCS controls
      - Franklin can be wall mounted and is the preferred method of install

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  5 месяцев назад

      I educate homeowners without click bait or sales talk. No bias towards one particular brand .... depending on the home, net metering, kWh usage, budget, etc The best option is different for different homeowners.
      You can't say Tesla/Enphase ... these are different independent companies that are not affiliated. My video is about comparing the specs and features ...
      However, I have contacted Enphase and they have been excellent ... Sometimes you can get quicker service if you use the Chat support so try that if long telephone wait .. or you can use the call back feature ... Only have had a few problems with Enphase ie a failed micro inverter and they have been quick to replace ..about 1 week ...
      Tesla I heard from homeowners about non-responsive service from Tesla ... so I suggest getting Powerwalls through a local solar company instead of Tesla direct.
      Franklin is a good company as well which is why I included then in this video comparision ...
      Thanks for watching.

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  5 месяцев назад

      After I did the video it seams other companies added PCS ... Noted that Franlklin can be wall mount .. however it's 400lbs this is HEAVY for a wall mount... Ok if have masonary wall .. but not something I would mount to drywall that is in most garages.. Thanks

  • @truebengalsfan
    @truebengalsfan 4 месяца назад

    Are these batteries only meant to be backup power or can these be use 24/7 off grid

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  4 месяца назад

      You can use these off grid but mainly designed for a modern home … but there maybe Better ones for off grid … off grid is usually a lot lower electric use … for example a small cabin Not using hvac would be lot lower electric use … could use a smaller battery and inverter

    • @truebengalsfan
      @truebengalsfan 4 месяца назад

      @@solarbygreengreg thanks a piece of land I was looking at buying electricity is kinda far and curious because this maybe a cheaper option and I would want this even if I had power from the grid

    • @solarbygreengreg
      @solarbygreengreg  4 месяца назад

      @@truebengalsfan thanks for watching!