For my 2024 Solar Battery installation I went with a brand not listed, and way cheaper for given performance, 4x EG4-LifePower4 Lithium Battery racks at 4x 30.72kWh per rack totaling 122.88kWh with 25kw solar panels and two Sol-Ark 15k inverters. My installer had quoted Enphase and SolarEdge for similar total kWh systems and Sol-Ark/EG4 was way cheaper than any of the competition. Installation was a breeze, I now have my dream solar system and am glad I chose Sol-Ark/EG4. If you think any of the 5 competitor battery systems described here would have been a more cost effective choice, please, let me know your thoughts.
You should test a Generac PWRcell device with a PWRcell Inverter and PWRcell battery pack. I have a maxed battery pack 18 kWh and two sets of solar panels to do what is called a 'clean backup' everyday to charge and store solar power everyday. At 3pm everyday I go on 'Self Supply' mode and use Solar+strored' power when the TOU rates go up dramatically. Since my system was installed, I have basically stopped buying electricity from the grid. Generac has been in the power business for decades
While I am late to the party, the EP Cube does have a DIY option where you can go through a training to set it up yourself like a contractor would. Though the EP cube does have a range, which is 10 KW to 20KW and ranges from 3 battery modules and 6 per stack. The battery units top is the PV and battery inverter. You can have multiple stacks to increase PV power, battery capacity, and power output.
Looking good buddy I swear it’s been a while since I’ve watched your videos and you look all grown up now. I don’t know how old you were in those other videos on the other account but good for you and I appreciate these videos. They are very informative.
My HV battery cost me 262 euro /kwh in Belgium. Pylontech H2, very happy with this system. It’s smart controlled through an energy management system, it’s selling the stored energy in the morning or evening as you get far higher injection rates then.
My basement, DIY 16 Eve 304AH cells for 48 volt backup battery coupled with Victron system. 15.5 Kwh for $1600...these 5 listed prices are outrageous! And before you say it's not for everyone I never built a solar battery before. RUclips and trial and error...
I agree, the listed systems are expensive, but there is quite a lot that does in the whole home solutions. The battery, the looks, the software, lifespan and warranties around the batteries, RDN for the systems, etc... I got a fully installed Franklin locally in Australia for $7,000 AU after rebates ($4,660 US) or about $344 (US) per kw/h storage cost. You may say, that is still to expensive, but I get the 12 years warranty, it looks good and is fully self contained, LFP chemistry, and importantly the software behind it all - which allows things like scheduling. This is important, as we have free electricity from 11:00am to 2:00pm on my electricity plan, so I set the system to only charge after 11:00am from the grid during this time, and from solar after if I happen to use the battery before sundown. This maximise my feed in tariff from solar in the morning too. There is the advantage of the battery automatically taking over in a blackout, and i can switch off circuits to save power through the software too. If the system goes completely flat it will still start itself in the morning to charge due to the design of the system. Ultimately my system cost about $3,000 more than yours, but the functionality and warranties play an important role. I end up on average saving about $5 per night, so the payback time is pretty quick (a bit under 4 years). I likely save a little more, as i get the 13.6 kw of feed in tariff from solar which didn't need to go into the battery during the day. This used to be about $1.50 per day, but the feed in tariff keeps falling as Australia has so much roof top solar, so it's only about 50c per day now. The other consideration is cost is relative to where you live. The same battery in the US may cost anything upto $15,000 US installed because that is the price of doing business in the US. I have a 13.2kw solar system, which cost $8,000 fully installed after rebates (about $5,330 US). there is no way in the US that size system is being installed for on $5,330 US; its going to be at least triple the price. To be fair to you, the price with all electrical work done (we are not allowed to do our own electrical work in Australia) is amazing. You could probably charge a couple of $1,0000 and make a killing installing your own custom systems.
That is a high number if it is for one Franklin battery. If you would like a quote for an enphase system in NY, you can book a call with us at www.solarprosteam.com/ and we can send something over to you.
I don't, because they vary so drastically in use case and compatibilities... it would be hard to compare them head to head. I recommend the YT channel Solar Surge for content on Ecoflow.
Where is Bluetti? EP900+B500 batteries. Is anyone installing these? They are more DIY. I've been looking for ATS install instructions if I need more than the 1 tower 19kWhrs.
I’ve talked to two installers who say the Enphase micro inverters can be retrofitted and are selling installations as such. Are they not being 100% truthful?
@@patsycards Gotcha. At the moment, Tesla Powerwall 3's are DC coupled and to be paired with the Tesla inverter, however in the summer there will be an AC coupled version that can be paired with Enphase Microinverters.
This video was more so to rank wall-mounted AC/DC coupled batteries to be connected to a home solar system, as opposed to portable power stations such as those two you mentioned.
@@jackthesolarguy the Anker Solix X1 is a wall mounted system - I'd been leaning toward the Franklin until I saw this system. I would really appreciate your opinions once you have a chance to look at it.
Don’t understand why it would be more difficult to add a Tesla PW3 to my existing solar panels , and regarding price if the total price with installation is 9,5K it must be the clear Best Buy ? Your Tesla PW3 video is in contrast to this video?
35-45% of all residential systems are AC on the roof (use microinverters). This is a DC coupled battery, so it will need to be paired with string inverter systems to work as efficient as intended.
@@jackthesolarguy ok I didn’t consider micro inverters, in Sweden micro inverters are not so common maybe only 10% of the market. Thank you for clarifying from your point of view.
No EG4 batteries? $3200 for 15kw. Just wait till the sodium ion deliveries start CATL has ramped production and currently world wide about 65 battery manufacturing plants are being built. buckle up.
you list New Mexico on your site , schedule zoom meeting , (twice) then say you can't service New Mexico please do not waste my time or anyone else for that matter ,,
These are only "batteries" in that they store energy. They are not batteries. They are individually and specifically designed battery packs. If you want real batteries, don't buy it if it isn't listed as a battery. Never buy a "system" for batteries. You don't buy a battery system for your car, your phone, your big rig, your you hauler, but he wants you to buy a battery system for your home. Battery "systems" are overtly expensive, intended only for rich people, and incapable of proving their warranty viability in 10 years, as promised. If you want to buy batteries for your home, buy batteries not systems. LiFePO4 batteries are dirt cheap (average price is about $100/kW for new batteries). If you're paying 10k for batteries, you're part of the wealthy elite, and you're not wanted in America anymore.
This guy has no idea. Please talk to a SolarEdge tech and get your facts correct before posting this rubbish. SolarEdge Home Battery is standalone offgrid capable. SolarEdge uses power optimizers, not string inverters!
For my 2024 Solar Battery installation I went with a brand not listed, and way cheaper for given performance, 4x EG4-LifePower4 Lithium Battery racks at 4x 30.72kWh per rack totaling 122.88kWh with 25kw solar panels and two Sol-Ark 15k inverters. My installer had quoted Enphase and SolarEdge for similar total kWh systems and Sol-Ark/EG4 was way cheaper than any of the competition. Installation was a breeze, I now have my dream solar system and am glad I chose Sol-Ark/EG4. If you think any of the 5 competitor battery systems described here would have been a more cost effective choice, please, let me know your thoughts.
Yes, EG4 and a few others are way cheaper. Boggling that these aren't mentioned
I reckon ur on a winner as I hear positive stuff on EG4 and very low cost.
I purchased the EG4 batteries as well along with the EG4 18kpv hybrid inverter - best value on the internet offered by Signature Solar.
@@dongemus because this is just some dude making videos reading from spec sheets.
How do you protect against battery fire?
i realize DIY isnt for most people but over $1k per kwh is a crime in 2024
Agree it cost at least >20k just for solar panels now just to have a backup battery another >15K. This is a crime with the environment
I am shocked how much these battery systems are overpriced! DIY batteries are much more budget friendly but lack these "ecosystem" features
So which LFP battery are folks finding best value?
@@Green-Hatterthe EG4 14.3kw for 3300 is the current hotness.
Yes, it is absolutely criminal that people work really hard and try to make a living. Shame on them.
You should test a Generac PWRcell device with a PWRcell Inverter and PWRcell battery pack. I have a maxed battery pack 18 kWh and two sets of solar panels to do what is called a 'clean backup' everyday to charge and store solar power everyday. At 3pm everyday I go on 'Self Supply' mode and use Solar+strored' power when the TOU rates go up dramatically. Since my system was installed, I have basically stopped buying electricity from the grid. Generac has been in the power business for decades
While I am late to the party, the EP Cube does have a DIY option where you can go through a training to set it up yourself like a contractor would. Though the EP cube does have a range, which is 10 KW to 20KW and ranges from 3 battery modules and 6 per stack. The battery units top is the PV and battery inverter. You can have multiple stacks to increase PV power, battery capacity, and power output.
Looking good buddy I swear it’s been a while since I’ve watched your videos and you look all grown up now. I don’t know how old you were in those other videos on the other account but good for you and I appreciate these videos. They are very informative.
My HV battery cost me 262 euro /kwh in Belgium. Pylontech H2, very happy with this system. It’s smart controlled through an energy management system, it’s selling the stored energy in the morning or evening as you get far higher injection rates then.
Would have been great to compare EG4 batteries too. Paired with new gridboss that they showcased at RE+
My basement, DIY 16 Eve 304AH cells for 48 volt backup battery coupled with Victron system. 15.5 Kwh for $1600...these 5 listed prices are outrageous! And before you say it's not for everyone I never built a solar battery before. RUclips and trial and error...
I agree, the listed systems are expensive, but there is quite a lot that does in the whole home solutions. The battery, the looks, the software, lifespan and warranties around the batteries, RDN for the systems, etc... I got a fully installed Franklin locally in Australia for $7,000 AU after rebates ($4,660 US) or about $344 (US) per kw/h storage cost. You may say, that is still to expensive, but I get the 12 years warranty, it looks good and is fully self contained, LFP chemistry, and importantly the software behind it all - which allows things like scheduling. This is important, as we have free electricity from 11:00am to 2:00pm on my electricity plan, so I set the system to only charge after 11:00am from the grid during this time, and from solar after if I happen to use the battery before sundown. This maximise my feed in tariff from solar in the morning too. There is the advantage of the battery automatically taking over in a blackout, and i can switch off circuits to save power through the software too. If the system goes completely flat it will still start itself in the morning to charge due to the design of the system. Ultimately my system cost about $3,000 more than yours, but the functionality and warranties play an important role. I end up on average saving about $5 per night, so the payback time is pretty quick (a bit under 4 years). I likely save a little more, as i get the 13.6 kw of feed in tariff from solar which didn't need to go into the battery during the day. This used to be about $1.50 per day, but the feed in tariff keeps falling as Australia has so much roof top solar, so it's only about 50c per day now.
The other consideration is cost is relative to where you live. The same battery in the US may cost anything upto $15,000 US installed because that is the price of doing business in the US. I have a 13.2kw solar system, which cost $8,000 fully installed after rebates (about $5,330 US). there is no way in the US that size system is being installed for on $5,330 US; its going to be at least triple the price.
To be fair to you, the price with all electrical work done (we are not allowed to do our own electrical work in Australia) is amazing. You could probably charge a couple of $1,0000 and make a killing installing your own custom systems.
I wish you had included the Anker Solarix X1
Well done. Very understandable explanation. Thanks.
Can you gave us a check list of what is important or must have, when we look for a new solar with and w/o battery backup? Thank you.
Do a video comparing Ethos To Tesla Powerwall 3.
Great info, thank you.
Any thoughts on Anker SOLIX X1?
Pw3 is ac coupled now.
Tesla PW3 should be the way to go, It's no-brainer and wins from every angle, particularly, from an energy output storage point of view.
Powerwall 3 is a great battery, but there can be arguments made for other batteries on a project to project basis depending upon the homeowners goals.
Not really
I looked into the Franklin and was quoted 25K before they even looked at anything. Need a good installer in NY for enphase.
That is a high number if it is for one Franklin battery. If you would like a quote for an enphase system in NY, you can book a call with us at www.solarprosteam.com/ and we can send something over to you.
How come you didn’t add Anker solix X1? They warrant mention
Good video. Do you have an opinion on the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra and Smart Home panel vs a grid tied system?
I don't, because they vary so drastically in use case and compatibilities... it would be hard to compare them head to head. I recommend the YT channel Solar Surge for content on Ecoflow.
Can you make a video that also includes your assessment of the Anker Solix X1 and the ecoflow delta pro ultra as alternatives?
Where is Bluetti? EP900+B500 batteries. Is anyone installing these? They are more DIY. I've been looking for ATS install instructions if I need more than the 1 tower 19kWhrs.
Where is the price in "criteria for ranking"?
I’ve talked to two installers who say the Enphase micro inverters can be retrofitted and are selling installations as such. Are they not being 100% truthful?
Did you mean to say Enphase batteries are being sold retrofitted?
@@jackthesolarguy sorry no I meant enphase micros + Tesla power wall 3s. As of now, are those not compatible?
@@patsycards Gotcha. At the moment, Tesla Powerwall 3's are DC coupled and to be paired with the Tesla inverter, however in the summer there will be an AC coupled version that can be paired with Enphase Microinverters.
Powerwall 3 is able to be AC and DC coupled. And this has been known for some time now.
it was designed as a DC coupled battery.
Signature Solar has EG4 Powerpro battery at US $252/kwh; cannot find a better value anywhere on the internet.
What about the Anker Solix and Ecoflow Delta? Any comments on these two?
This video was more so to rank wall-mounted AC/DC coupled batteries to be connected to a home solar system, as opposed to portable power stations such as those two you mentioned.
@@jackthesolarguy the Anker Solix X1 is a wall mounted system - I'd been leaning toward the Franklin until I saw this system. I would really appreciate your opinions once you have a chance to look at it.
I'd like to add sigenergy system which should also be already available
Don’t understand why it would be more difficult to add a Tesla PW3 to my existing solar panels , and regarding price if the total price with installation is 9,5K it must be the clear Best Buy ? Your Tesla PW3 video is in contrast to this video?
35-45% of all residential systems are AC on the roof (use microinverters). This is a DC coupled battery, so it will need to be paired with string inverter systems to work as efficient as intended.
@@jackthesolarguy What if you are willing to eat that 3-5% loss. Would the cost saving be worth it ?
@@jackthesolarguy ok I didn’t consider micro inverters, in Sweden micro inverters are not so common maybe only 10% of the market. Thank you for clarifying from your point of view.
No EG4 batteries? $3200 for 15kw. Just wait till the sodium ion deliveries start CATL has ramped production and currently world wide about 65 battery manufacturing plants are being built. buckle up.
Jk 5 to 1 blinks,see blinks haahaThanks for info man.
Grady Trace
What do you mean "Solar" batteries ? Can't they just be batteries ?
you list New Mexico on your site , schedule zoom meeting , (twice) then say you can't service New Mexico please do not waste my time or anyone else for that matter ,,
These are only "batteries" in that they store energy. They are not batteries. They are individually and specifically designed battery packs.
If you want real batteries, don't buy it if it isn't listed as a battery. Never buy a "system" for batteries. You don't buy a battery system for your car, your phone, your big rig, your you hauler, but he wants you to buy a battery system for your home.
Battery "systems" are overtly expensive, intended only for rich people, and incapable of proving their warranty viability in 10 years, as promised. If you want to buy batteries for your home, buy batteries not systems. LiFePO4 batteries are dirt cheap (average price is about $100/kW for new batteries).
If you're paying 10k for batteries, you're part of the wealthy elite, and you're not wanted in America anymore.
Jack by not responding to questions on your video regarding of their validity doesn’t reflect well on credibility of your intentions.
Your edits make the video really jerky to watch !
This guy has no idea. Please talk to a SolarEdge tech and get your facts correct before posting this rubbish. SolarEdge Home Battery is standalone offgrid capable. SolarEdge uses power optimizers, not string inverters!