Warframe | Melee Just Got A Lot Stronger (TENNOKAI) | BUT WHY ?
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Really enjoying this new video series/format you’ve been doing. You seem to enjoy it much more than what you did before.
I love this new series you're on, "But, Why?" It has addressed a vast majority of my game that have made Warframe so much more fun. Plus, you seem to be enjoying yourself making these videos again. Please more bloopers!!
Mc, you are by far the most easily to understand and straight tp the point WF content creator, the ButWhy? series and your WF weapon encyclopedia have been insumountably useful to not only new and returning players, but even people like me who's got more than 1k hours in game. You have been a creator where that i just automatically go to whenever WF has an update, new weapons, mechanics, anything, and i do really wish you get more views and subs from now on. Please keep up what youre doing, but dont burn yourself out.
This is a kullervo buff in disguise and it’s an absolute win
I dont care how good it is (which it is) I just care how interactive it is compared to base melee
Base Melee was Already Interactive... Infact it was too Interactive... Which is why some people Hate it so much....
This Update Doesn't address that issue. 😐
@@lookalike4805what about spamming melee is interactive?
You're just like me I loved pause combos as a DMC player and they just gutted them and it hold on button down and profit
@sonicmastor6994
You just Answered your own Question. 👀
@@lookalike4805do you even know what interactive means ._.
Lavos just slowly becoming a fockin alchemic god
I’ve been loving this on gunblades and pseudo-gunblades like the Quassus and Syam.
I’d just like to see another pass on light attacks so there’s a reason to mix up your combos and use each specific move.
I just wish I could get people to stick around to rotation C for Alchemy. Everyone dips after the first round and unlike all the other endless modes, 2 people going to extraction pulls everyone out.
Go Solo....
It is the problem of public team. You should team up before it
@@lookalike4805 This is what I've ended up doing. Turns out Voruna + Praedos just causes entire swaths to just evaporate
As someone who dips after the first round becuase I have work tomorrow morning and I need to do my daily rep grind and that happens to be on the highest bounty rotation at the moment
Yell at DE to either
A. Allow you to re-run the bounty by continuing rotations on the endless bounties
B. Allow solo extract for these becuase there's no reason why it shouldn't have solo extract already
the title is very strong and informative on what the video is about. I'm already a tennokai enjoyer but I gotta show some love for saving my time
Eh. Not impressed, since it seems to just make the original "mash one button over and over, become blender" system become "chance to occasionally do big move, then return to blender." The melee combat needs depth, not one (1) extra button to press in a race to break your melee key/button.
If this is a _step_ towards more depth, then fair enough, baby steps. If not, then it just seems like people getting excited over the shallow pool going one centimeter deeper.
I think that was the Idea... And that's why I don't like it.
My brother in christ this is Warframe not Chivalry or For Honor
Tennokai gave me the rush of dopamine that I needed for a long time.
Great video, gives me some crazy ideas for some possible builds. Been so gun focused lately, really looking forward to using melee again.
im loving tennokai but my one gripe with it still has to be that if you heavy attack for tennokai but are sliding or in the air it just acts like a normal heavy attack eating your combo.
I haven’t had that issue, TBH. When I Tennokai in the air, it just does a super-fast heavy slam and doesn’t eat my combo (can’t say anything for the sliding bug, since I rarely slide except for right before a bullet jump).
@@Epicmonk117 since i posted this they included slam attacks but sliding in my experience still eats combo.
I have to say, I love those outtakes, the laughter in your voice through nearly all of them is kind of infectious :)
Super enjoy the new system idea, it's nice they are giving some stuff to melee! Also this new series you've been doing is super helpful! Thanks for the helpful video MC!
I haven't tested it yet because I'm laser focused on the grind for materials and stuff, but good to know there's already a breakdown around :)
Something you didn't mention is that Tennokai can also be applied to your Exalted weapons too, incentivizing you to make use of their powerful heavy attacks! Valkyr and Baruuk's are especially good since they both hit in a very wide radius all around you.
We can't put any arcanes on them, but that's fine, it's not like I wanted to anyways....
You can see this in the video already.
wot. Imma have to play around with this, thanks for sharing!
I'm happy to see you knocking out the content. This is helpful.
Innodem with influence using argonak is a aoe armor strip room wipe, run viral and electric. Blood rush, weeping wounds, and use 60/60s. Depends for the electric your choice
To lazy to edit, melee incarnon weapons benefit ALOT from tenoki, saving you from wasting combo to get incarnon form 👍
Great information, really changed my outlook on this update.
Syam with Tennokai stuff is so much fun! I've been running it on my Kullervo, and I'm looking into farming for Dreamer's Wrath for it. Weapons with special Heavy Attack mechanics felt kind of difficult to hybrid light/heavy attack build them, but this fixes all of my problems with it.
This really fixes some of the heavy hitters with bad combos
(I still think Wise Razor and Butcher's Revelry should be replaced by newer stances)
It actually doesn't...
The Bad Combos are Still Bad... Nothing has Changed In that Department.
Well,Now I think it's a good time to test my light attack build with Bullet Dance on Stropha
I feel like this is a missed opportunity, but Kullervo's Wrathful Advance does not trigger Tennokai.
Because iirc his skill count as heavy attack. What should i care is baruuk and excal thing..
He doesn’t need it, his abilities carry your combo counter
slapped it on sun & moon on my wisp. now i'm just a warframe beyblade.
i know the whole "but why?" is just a gimmick for this series but it makes sense why, ranged gameplay has been 100% the go to option for the meta, meele frames are meant to be a breath of fresh air for meele in general. personally? i think this is a good direction, having frames that specialize in abilites, primaries, secondaries, or meele adds a bunch of ways to play the game, but at the end of the day warframe is a FPS, meele needs big damage in order to be viable.
Idk what game you're playing but WF is a 3ps
Jokes aside tho you have good points
This system really gives Melee a lot of extra power, and Tennokai works on exalted melees too. I can See my Baruuk heavy attack build already making great work of Tennokai mods
That's Great but unless you're willing to Slap on *Killing Blow* on your build Somewhere I feel most players aren't going to Bother. 😐
@@lookalike4805 A large population of players who uses heavy attack will always slot one heavy attack mod anyway, even before Tennokai. Exalted Melees using Tennokai is just an extension to that.
@Twilight053
Not on Exhalted Melees they won't.
And baruuk has the problem of build up combo
Tennokai is fun just because they brought back the channelling energy phase-out effect that I missed :)
Now I just have to figure out how to get the old miasma effect back
Presumably, this means a complete re-assessment of melee weapons with unusual heavy attacks - like the Duviri weapons - because you no longer have to build for light or heavy attacks.
Thanks! Was looking for a breakdown of the system! Wiki is not up to date yet.
Region Chat Mocked me for my Combo Built Prisma Obex Riven. Now who's laughing? Everyone. Because I don't Gatekeep builds.
Im trying it out on Corufell. I think it's gonna be even more busted, which is good
Completely forgot about this Melee since DE Nerfed it.👀
Underrated aspect; THE ENEMY DISINTEGRATION EFFECT FROM OLD MELEE CHANNELING IS BACK ON TENNOKAI HEAVY ATTACK KILLS.
I'm pretty sure that's just Enemies Dying From Radiation/Magnetic Damage. 🤔
Heads up you can probably just transmute tenno kai mods will probably check later.
So far no luck
I fucking love the pennant. It can kill anything
This will help my kullervo Build because after a few nice finishers i can basically have a constant x12 on my 600% crit chance heavy attack, yay
This new system is going to be a lot of fun with certain builds, can't wait till my friend and I break these.
please ,more of this mister internet man
loving tennokai, especially with my anku incarnon
I look forward to Master's Edge being another double-dipper.
Thanks to Energy Nexus, I can replace my Primed Flow mod on frames with a strong Nourish buff and be comfortable switching from Zenurik to Naramon to take advantage of the combo saving trait in the school to have absolutely more fun with Tennokai at 12x combo.
Considering how tough Netracells are I can see why they buffed melee
For me glaives dont work properly amymore since the update. When equipped with a secondary you need to Press heavy Attack Button 2x to explode. When having exclusively the glaive or the primary equipped you only need to Press once...
Wondering how this is going to affect my Karyst Prime, you remember that Riven.
Great clip, and I just fell in love with the Pennant - previously it was just MR fodder for me. You also made me rethink my Inaros a little bit, I ran Rage instead of Primed Continuity, but then switched them both out for both Eternal War and Negation Swarm, which meant I didn't need Primed Sure Footed. Eternal War just seemed re-castable if Eternal War runs down, as I don't use Inaros' 3, barely ever use his 1, and the 4 expends life which means the subsume is the only thing I really cast using energy. Loved your video, others could learn from it! :)
man, I might finally use heavy attacks XD I usually just prefer light attack setups, enjoy messing with the combo's, and hate using Heavy attacks because they drain my Combo counter, I have one Weapon I use heavy attacks on, and it's the Arca Titron Hammer, because you can make a huge boom with the special passive using a 12 count multiplier and a heavy slam, I have 90% HA efficiency (capped my mods actually do more than that by a little) so I only lose a little of my combo counter, but it's basically built around slam damage so it's a really weird build all around (just shits and giggles tbh). I honestly didn't really care anything about Tennokai, but this video is making me reconsider, at least on some weapons, like the increased range one on my hate, which I have a light attack build that hits red crits and does between 500k to a mil or so damage, to periodically throw a heavy attack in there and watch a room explode could be fun, especially if it doesn't cost me anything XD
Do a video on the new archon shards next a make a broken build! People will love that
This looks fun. I'll pu5 them on the MIGHTY SEER
Any chance these will apply to exalted melee in the future?
You mean tennokai on exalted weapons? It already can.
Show me that orthos build or imma be sad
Hi, how did you get ur damage numbers to look like that?
I wonder if the Redeemer would have a different fun interaction with these new changes ; )
well for some reason stropha bullets cant proc tennokai but every other gunblade bullet can
I don't remember pennant being so cool
Does melee vortex apply to exalted weapons im running a Toxin, Radiation, Magnetic umbra exalted blade.
The toxin does semi convert to corrosive from Archon Continuity .
im really annoyed glaives are bugged right now, you can't heavy attack with them when you dual it with a pistol
Mine works as normal on all nodes apart from the new ones.
Apparently you can if you Double Tap the Button. 👀
How well would melee animosity work with glaives?
I wonder would Tennokai attacks apply on glaive throws (heavy explosions) or Vastilok 🤔
Yes but you shouldnt do it. It is a wasted of slot mod( and 20 pla for exilus slot open)
@@nguyenhuyduc9151literally wrong
Does putting gladiator mods on Helios' Deconstructor still work for the set bonus?
nope
Try It. 👀
I feel disappointed because i dont get the tenno kai mod because the hotfix update bugged the game and prevent inbox reward that give mod after finishing the quest 😭😭😭
I have actually gotten more value out of it for exalted weapons than anything else. It is just ridiculous for a Valkyr-hysteria build. Now, if only she had a stance with a better moveset
can you use tennokai with glaives?
I dont understand, how do I know tennokai is active?
there is a sign that appear in the middle on your crosshair, when it appear you can do the heavy attack
What about gunblades
I have switched back to 100% melee now. My Nezha and a good zaw + riven > 98.7% of all the content. Plus you can do the old school melee aim glide and deflect in mid-air as it used to be before melee 2.0. I miss swinging through objects like doors.
Question is, does the "melee crits hit twice" apply to heavy attacks? Asking for my glaive prime 😂
Same here
It work on normal hit
How does tennokai work with glaives?
No, it need to normal hit( not hold e. Iirc it happen when you hold w and e
I dont melee, and i only use a secondary to break crates, so its all useless for me....
At least the hour long quest was neat... ish....
With tennokai being so easy to proc they should really let us go beyond 90% heavy attack efficiency. Cause atm its a completely pointless stat.
Tennokai is basically as constant as you could possibly need and takes 1 mod. 90% efficiency needs either 2 mods or a specific warframe and still ends up being worse.
What determines C rotation for alchemy mission? Is it when you have done 3 element mixing in a row?
4, AABC iirc. Or ABBC can't remember.
Can confirm melee duplicate is absolutely broken strong at rank 5
And i think it will.take alot.alot of pla to do it. Imagine arcane energy before but x 10
@nguyenhuyduc9151 no I was buying em rank 0 for 30p, have a rank 5 already wasn't that bad its really strong tho, seems almost like you don't want to stack too high with bloodrush cause it only works on yellow crits
Twnnokai is my new love 😂 melee just got so much more fun, but the arcanes are not worth it way to specific in one thing
I think all the Melee Arcanes *WITHOUT* durations are Good. Even if they are focused on one thing.... Since they Occupy the Arcane Slot you can just Slap on the ones you think you might use without any Negative Impact to your Build at all....
Can't Say the Same about Exilus Mods especially since there's no Universal Exilus Polarity 😐
Warframe is Amazing...
But Why?🤔
Too bad heavy attacks alone arent anything special. This system mostly benefits blood rush builds or weapons with a unique ability on heavy attacks, things like exalted blade are wasted.
Isn't blood rush a staple on most builds except Glaives and Gunblades? I see it as a way of boosting heavy attack builds or, at the very least, making the heavy attack mechanic less penalizing. Which is good, I guess?
@amonggus1
Very few people use Heavy Attack Builds.... That's exactly why Tennokai was Created in the First Place....
The *Rauta* was their First Attempt to getting players to try them but that Obviously didn't Work....
Let's see if Tennokai will be Different. 👀
@@amonggus1 True, Ive been playing too much exalted blade and on that weapon, Tennokai doesnt help much (mostly because Heavy Attack of Exalted Blade doesnt even send a wave).
@@lookalike4805 "Very few people use Heavy Attack Builds"
Yeah that's just not true, ceramic dagger, innodem, corrufel, gunblades, glaives, etc... were already the most meta melees when built for heavy attacks.
Having very basic knowledge of the game should be enough to understand how incredibly fucking busted this new Tennokai system is.
@FunkyyCat_
You literally just named the Exceptions. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also I couldn't Careless how Busted it is... I just wanted Melee to Feel Better and Nothing Added in this Update Achieves that. 😐
FIRST
damn
@@MCGamerCZ just got lucky.
Love your content MC!
He is
congratulations you won a washing machine for your tenno
@@qraid is the dryer included, or do I have do go buy it?
The question is "why" indeed... But not that "why". The why for "what for ?". WHat's the purpose of all these "powercreeping tools" .... ? Streamer should start to ask this question. ANd maybe DE will answer by a efficient end game mod. Otherwise, all this new "toys" are just useless. Always new arcanes, new mods,etc. For what ? We already destroy everything... SO what the point ? WF is the only farm game I know without efficient end game. This is non sens...
I disagree.... Sorry. 👀
And if you hate melee and only use gun blades and only when necessary? basically there's nothing new. Just a bunch of new lipstick on a pig missions that are the exact same thing we've been playing And as always the only reward worth getting is locked behind a - 99.1 percent chance of getting one, good luck getting 21! Grimoire such a piece of garbage you couldn't break an overcooked pasta noodle with it, much less get a kill for the new mod buffs. Mandonel Archgun is garbage no automatic fire rate and no Auto reload on pause. Basically a Corvas with Ayanga bullets.
Who hurt you lmao
Then.. play a different game?
If you hate melee, you ignore melee. If you hate grimoire, you ignore grimoire. If you don't like the expansion's focus on power leveling and quality of life arcane recycling, just get the new warframe and ggs. And if you don't like the new warframe, well, don't get it. And if you don't like the new archon shards, ignore them. 😂 Now, if you don't like the game not getting insane levels of powercreep every expansion, maybe play something else.
@@amonggus1I'd argue power creep itself isn't really the biggest problem..the big pp damage is a huge part of the "we fought literal gods and won" power fantasy of the tenno as a whole. The problem, imo, is that the content really isn't keeping up with the power creep, as well as DE's "bandaid on a bullet wound" style fixes (i.e. damage attenuation)
The best grimoire mods dont even need kills anyway, so the damage it does is irrelevant.
I love the tennokai. Just wish they'd just make it base without needing to put a weapon exilus on. Granted, not all weapons are worth using heavy attacks (i.e dual blades, daggers (not Innodem tho), polearms)