My take is that Destiny is not half as smart and not nearly as 'objective' or 'rational' as he thinks he is. He's not a powerhouse on economics or history by any means, yet accuses lefties of being ignorant.
it feels like he has beccome scuffed ben shapiro he had his "destroyed the opponen with facts and logic" phase debating mentally retarded people on minority issues as soon as he leaves this niche he looks like a dumbass just like ben shapiro
Sksksk I mean rents are often determined by local markets, but off course most landlords will charge as high as the market allows (Very few will charge as low as the market allows). Bosses will pay employees wages which are similar to rest of the market too, but there's a few more factors involved. Prior experience/negotiation skills, whether the job market is saturated with quality candidates or lacking + personal bias.
@@elenapopovic6261 That's what Investor's Rights agreements like NAFTA and GAT are for, keep wages/growth low and investors profits high. Labor market "flexibility" makes it easier to control the labor force and keep them from unionizing or pushing for better pay/conditions. ruclips.net/video/fTDwCCagqGM/видео.html
Yes, but it's not like there is just one CEO of everything or one Landlord of everything. They can't overdo it if they want to keep making profits unless they have a monopoly
Hassan: not all landlords are bad people, there are obviously some good landlords Destiny: commie reeeeee you just LITTRALLY said all landlords are bad
Hassan literally used the same argument he very much makes fun of when people say "I'm not racist. I have a black friend". He said something along the lines of "I dont hate land lords. I have land lord friends"
@@sethkoffler2571 Is not about landlord vs racist. The point is that Hassan makes fun of that type of argument as if it was a falacy. The pattern that makes the argument can be applied to anything. The pattern is "I don't hate x because I have x". Some examples: - I dont abuse cats because I have one. - I dont hate women because my mom is a woman. - I dont hate cars because I have one. So again, Hassan is very much using the pattern he makes fun of as an argument. Is not about racist vs landlord. Is about the pattern of his argument
@@Alcani3ca yes, but Hasan isn't arguing he doesn't dislike landlords as a concept and using "I have _________ friends" to justify that, hes clarifying that he doesn't dislike any random individual landlord personally just based on the fact that they're landlords, rather he dislikes the economic system that allowslandlords to exist. Hes basically saying I dont hate the players, i hate the game. With a racist argument, there is no game to be hated, if your a racist, you believe every individual black people (or whatever color) are inferior based on the color of their skin, and saying that you have black friends would be a way of denying that your racist, which is not analogous to why hasan said "I have landlord friends"
Destiny: lefties don't actually know leftist theory because I haven't personally talked to an academic leftist Richard wolf: ya I'd go on destiny's stream Destiny: LEFTIES DONT KNOW LEFTIST THEORY
@@stannisthemannis6994 more or less ya. He's kinda down for anything really though. He's very savvy when it comes to the internet left considering his age.
I still like listening to Destiny every once in a while when I'm playing a generally repetitive game or want to listen to him debate alt-right/light people, but yeah starting to part ways with him on this and other issues. I'll always be appreciative of Destiny helping me get out of falling into the alt-right rabbit hole, but might be time for me to discover even better and greater things.
@Guiuu Shurt Or maybe the people who troll chapo forums are the same people who troll the donald and arent really either lefties OR right wingers, but woke fence sitting centrists like Destiny? Edit: There's a milliion plausible explanation here, all of which start by NOT cobbling together your self-image from reddit shit posting teenage kids.
This is the problem in a nutshell right here. Cult of personality. People don't seem to learn how to think for themselves. They just go from one icon to the next. Brainless.
@@Somniostatic "Don't think for themselves" says the bootlicker that from birth on has been indoctrinated by capitalist propaganda, never read any theory and after years still defends the capitalist class.
@@Somniostatic I've been reading leftist theory since 2011. Tbh Hasan can be a bit dense sometimes but at least he understands these issues better than Destiny who although is a skilled rhetorican and knows Modern Monetary Theory pretty decently has a huge blindspot when it comes to socialist theory. So yeah I'm a bigger Hasan fan now. If you think that impacts my intelligence I welcome you to challenge me with any point of substance.
@@zeroclout6306 I think it is exactly what the problem is on the internet, as I said. Destiny seems to be nothing but an ego-streamer. I don't follow any of this shit. But what immediately jumped out at me is that most people on the internet would repeat your comment, and they would then parrot the next icon. It's not really about how much you've read or how much you know. It's the brainlessness of following one icon after the other. Like I said, I think your comment encapsulates perfectly the mentality of the internet, and it scares me that this is still where we're at. People don't learn to think for themselves, because they don't have the foundation for it, because our education system has completely failed them. I'm sure a ton of people could make your point as well, and prove me wrong on an individual case; but the larger, social argument I'm making holds true. It's just cult of personality, ad infinitum.
No he isnt? he's only ever criticising extremist rhetoric that hurts the arguments for the values he holds. How do you highlight the harmful rhetoric without referencing it?
Conservatives REACT solely off of emotion. This one just learned enough words to dance around it a little longer than others. Destiny "isn't interested in appeals to emotion" tho so he's above it all, that's why he tells people he's debating their positions FOR THEM instead of listening and attempting to comprehend...
Logan Meyer The CEO of McDonalds actually makes over $1 billion a year from the company’s profits and McDonalds suppresses wages by over $15/hr on average. Destiny is completely wrong. Let me explain. Destiny actually thinks that CEOs paid salary as a business expense is their share of the profits? He is extremely ignorant. Profits are distributed to share holders. The McDonalds CEO owns 320,000+ shares out of 8.4 million, roughly 3.8% The value of which increases by just over $1 billion when the profits ($28 billion) of McDonalds of just one year are distributed to those shareholders. Destiny should know that McDonalds made $28 BILLION in profits and if distributed to all of their 1.4 million U.S. employees, it would amount to over $20,000 a year per worker. And they work roughly 25 hours a week. So it’s about a $15/hr profit they are making on average from their employees. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, like Microsoft and others. This is hard for some people to grasp. McDonalds worker’s labor is the labor of one of the wealthiest corporations in the world. There is no reason they are not a high wage employer other than exploitation.
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 are you stupid? The prices wouldn't have to change a cent if hypothetically the profit was going to the workers. You're basically saying when you get overcharged for a hamburger and the money goes to a billionaire its fine but when you get overcharged the same amount and the money goes to a worker, suddenly the price increases?
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 What's the point of this comment? If workers get replaced, prices will drop immensely due to saving costs. What part of any of this makes you think prices would go up this much?
How did the "democratic" countries vote their rights away? Hmm, maybe it has to do with the fact that there is no real democracy if there is no economic equality. The rich would not be able to build a powerful propaganda machine and control politicians to the extent they do if there would not be a huge accumulation of capital to begin with. Destiny somehow misses that whole idea.
@@charbel2921 no. Now he is. Its the old siwtcheroo. The protagonists was destiny and hasan and then destiny went to the dark side and Voosh the Stampede came to become the new protagonist along with hasan.
KAGE Spider The CEO of McDonalds actually makes over $1 billion a year from the company’s profits and McDonalds suppresses wages by over $15/hr on average. Destiny is completely wrong. Let me explain. Destiny actually thinks that CEOs paid salary as a business expense is their share of the profits? He is extremely ignorant. Profits are distributed to share holders. The McDonalds CEO owns 320,000+ shares out of 8.4 million, roughly 3.8% The value of which increases by just over $1 billion when the profits ($28 billion) of McDonalds of just one year are distributed to those shareholders. Destiny should know that McDonalds made $28 BILLION in profits and if distributed to all of their 1.4 million U.S. employees, it would amount to over $20,000 a year per worker. And they work roughly 25 hours a week. So it’s about a $15/hr profit they are making on average from their employees. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, like Microsoft and others. This is hard for some people to grasp. McDonalds worker’s labor is the labor of one of the wealthiest corporations in the world. There is no reason they are not a high wage employer other than exploitation.
@ThisIsMyRealName I feel for you man nobody should have to experience that. There should be some sort of shelter even if it's minimal. People shouldn't be exposed like that safety is a serious thing. I'm fortunate not to have to experience that. Stories like yours pisses me off. People don't give a crap about other people's misfortune as long as themselves are doing well. Destiny seems real cold and self centered using 1 meme to over generalize an entire issue. If he actually went out and witnessed some of the problems that society faces I'd respect him until then he can play more War of Warcraft and remain oblivious to these issues he claims to be an expert at. Keep the Faith and Keep your head up. Peace be with you.
Destiny compared the kill all landlords reddit trolls to the honker meme guys as if the people who want to exterminate other races are comparable to the people who are tired of being exploited and abused by landlords. YIKES. Now that is a spicy take. A real fireball.
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 It was about the optics, not the threat. They agreed one the death threats were ironic and the "honking" was sincere, but for someone uninformed, it's death threats vs some harmless honking. Can't you see that he's actually trying to offer a better path forward?
boohooing about how it's hard to defend leftist ironic memery like "eat the rich" without contextualizing the jokes (wealth hording has caused a great deal of suffering to the working class). Like, does he think we actually want to eat Elon Musk Salad?
it hits hard when he said ealer that there are rightwing friends who are being driven away, thus he mush pruge the hard left in order to have his balanced space and preserve..something he needs.
His whole rant is literally an unhinged childish emotional meltdown. His midlife crisis regressed him to the age of 5. I've heard more mature and intelligent takes from Charlie Kirk.
Ikr. He seems to be really fucking triggered by the fact that some lefties on some thread on an outside subreddit shat on him. He never seems to care much about that kind of stuff when it is anybody else. It is almost as though those lefties on the chapo subreddit were not all just outraged, uninformed commie larpers but instead had some valid, in-depth points against his rhetoric.
@@vantahawk2834 i read and posted in that thread, most of it was just goofing on his twitter meltdown. Not sure how he thought the left would respond when you say workers are stupid. Btw his arguments about ceo pay only take into account salary - no one becomes a billionaire off a salary lol, these guys take there money invest it and make even more money without having to produce anything and make money off other assets and shares in the company.
@@Jekiterio I think what the OP is saying, is that for Richard Spencer, people who are ethnic minorities are not people to him, just intellectual abstractions. Destiny's success seems to have alienated him from working class people, and now he can't empathize with them on any meaningful level. Being poor in America is something that Destiny can't comprehend, and now he just sounds like Ben Shapiro
Reactionary: A person who desires a return to the status quo. A person or group that is against social/political change or reform.......... I'm just gonna leave this here for whoever may find it useful. Not pickin sides, not naming names.
I tried to listen to Destiny explain his position but he couldn't sum up his position in a couple of tweets so I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
DommY CS LOL who did you think he was? Did you think he genuinely cared about minorities and disadvantaged people? He doesn’t give a fuck. He’s literally said this multiple times. He doesn’t believe in moral values. He only does what will ultimately benefit himself. I’m not even saying this to smear him. I fucking love Destiny but he’s a moral nihilist my dude.
@@1999_reborn To be fair, he has tried time and time again to frame himself as a reasonable progressive a la counterpoints, not a capitalist beta in sheep's clothing.
And gets crushes in the end about being informed and they only agreed on dump people!! Besides the points Hassan was makin.. were “he couldn’t necessarily disagree with ”...
the only good thing he does is talking about minority issues and exposing that to people that probably wouldnt be exposed to that otherwise he has boomer right wing elitist takes from 1960 about capitalism and is completely blind about what is going on
@@franklinrichards1033Unions have though. Unionization brings a median 10% increase in wages and quality of living AT LEAST, and it gives workers a democratic counter force against the capitalist economic force that is incentivized to exploit them.
"... in the real world, markets should set the wages". The fact that that the market "should" do this, and yet doesn't should be plenty of indictation that relying on the "market" for any sort of mediation of corporate tyranny is ludicrous. Hasan's right: class antagonism is literally baked into Capitalism. If the ultimate goal of a boss is to maximize profit (which is theft from the workers' production value to begin with), then if the worker makes more, then the boss makes less profit. Ergo, the boss has a natural incentive to pay his/her workers less in order to maximize profits. And as Capitalism also stressed endless growth, even if the market cannot sustain this growth, then it is inevitable that bosses will engage in further and further degradation of their workers to achieve this growth. This, of course, means that Capitalism inevitably leads to corporate tyranny and a regression back into quasi-feudalism (where workers are tied to their jobs by desperation than to the land that is owned by the feudal lord).
@@hallo-mt5tx even shapiro makes more sense, and he doesn’t scream at people he disagrees with, and he certainly doesn’t vilify and go out of his way to trigger people ON HIS FUCKING SIDE
Broadstreet Flyers95 I love destiny, but he seems to be going really hard on issues that aren’t super important lately, maybe a lack of content or something.
@@tylerhughes9155 Well he just lied about Hasan going to a brothel that was raided for child sex trafficking (they were raided for tax evasion 5 years after Hasan went)
Yeah that was a real face-desk libertarian moment for me, ouch. "Like you know, ummmmm, once the workers bust out the pitch forks and torches, and millions have died in the streets, the markets will have no choice but to make a correction. What is so wrong with that? ?"
Destiny thinks communists are idealists. This is the big thing hindering his thought process in the beginning in the video. Maybe there are some idealists but then i feel they are easy to throw away because you HAVE to be a materialist to be a marxist.
As if the "free market" isn't an impossible ideal. Every day I find people trying to argue that "true" capitalist economy has never existed, and if it did it would fix everything. The problem isn't capitalism, it's "cronyism", whatever the hell that means.
@ThisIsMyRealName Twitch is owned by Amazon RUclips and Google is owned by Alphabet, Inc These sources of information are slowly becoming as bad as mainstream news organizations. Also I have had problems getting Bernie Sanders RUclips Channel to play videos not sure what's happening could be a glitch. I have nothing against artists making a living but when they use their own platform to knowingly misinform the public to protect a system rigged against the very people who support them that's guilt by association.
skeletonmf Human nature’s interference with the communist system. It would never, ever work (at least not NEARLY as well as a regulated capitalist economy with a focus on social programs).
panda121602 Lmao you’ve gotta be fucking joking. Communism is human nature. People aren’t greedy pieces of shit by nature. Communal organization has existed as long as humans have.
Slowly becoming diluted trying to throw counter point after counter point until he doesn't care about anything anymore it gets mind numbing then complains about other people that criticize him. Let's talk about the issues but first lets talk about myself for 15 minutes. He is losing the ability to be constructive. Oh well I guess critics need a lane to.
@ThisIsMyRealName Gypsies are just that, gypsy, not a slur for anything the way I am using it. The gypsy I dated was Iranian, but they can be white or any ethnicity I'm sure.
@Cegesh Yeah I was just drawing a comparison between the girl in the background and the gypsy I dated after college. She had rich hedge-funder parents, fancied herself a failed artist, didnt want to get a job or pay a mortgage, had a brand new prius, and we banged for about year until I realized she was kind of an ugly person.
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Destiny has served his purpose, now he's just embarrassing.
@@meankronen8217Might not be adressing me, but the answer is cannabis, exclusively. Otherwise, what does your perception of Hasan not doing a great job in this talk have to do with Destiny being cringy and embarassing in general? He has done some debates with extremists and helped some people not fall into far right politics, but his own politics are stunted and myopic, he is super self centered and doesn't seem to have a coherent explanation of why all the problems he lists have arisen. Therefore, purposed served, but now embarassing.
There are immediately some huge blind spots. Like wondering why people think billionaires shouldn't exist in a democracy. It's kind of bizarre that he can't see the relevance of comparing CEO pay to average worker pay as a ratio changing over time. His example of picking on a random rich person in a sportscar, which would be random and distracting, makes no sense. The CEO's and average workers are paid from the same revenue, the relevance is self-apparent. He seems to have no grasp of the economic history of financialization, privatization, union-busting, neo-colonialism, outsourcing, etc. as a context for the left economic agenda. But the annoying thing is the blind reverence for the status quo. It doesn't occur to him that managers are more competent at schmoozing their bosses and controlling the workers more than actual work. He doesn't question where money comes from or how it gets allocated in the first place, he basically just buys into the cartoonish Freidmanite mythos. That and the blatant mischaracterization. Hasan said landlords garner a similar resentment to cops and he calls that a "commie take". That's an odd blind spot, he doesn't understand the idea that managers and banks and landlords and police all enforce the capitalist system of control.
Also really frustrating that Hasan came on to talk about why people saying wages should be higher makes this guy so mad, and his response is to lump that idea together with other ideas that he saw in memes that actually are unserious and bad.
Near the end, it's frustrating to see someone be so condescending and uninformed simultaneously. Also so lazy and petty. He's ready to succumb to horseshoe theory because many walks of life don't like him personally. It's a little narcissistic and belies the logical truthteller persona. There are answers to these rhetorical questions he poses, he didn't care to look before stating them authoritatively. He claims people are too dumb and just vote against their interests, but there is a well-funded propaganda infrastructure set up to distract and confuse people. Candidates are not elected per se, but selected by a party process largely based on elite/donor backing. With some critical thinking, you can deduce that people who feel they are being served by the prevailing system are more likely to vote and participate generally to maintain their stake, while disenfranchised people who don't think the system serves them are more likely to be struggling just to survive, not logically assessing their interests and actualizing them or pushing policy priorities. If every eligible person voted we'd likely have better policies. Unfortunately, people are there at every turn to blame any new improvements for the suffering the system already generated.
It's like he's never heard of the Overton window, state capture, manufacturing consent, the entirety of labor history, etc. Either workers are smart enough to pass good policies over the wishes of the literal ruling class that upend the system designed over hundreds of years of legal development to serve them specifically, or they don't deserve a living wage.
@@b.6.7.f.h. Sad to see your comments haven’t received any engagement. You’re absolutely right. Destiny’s entire “principles first” mentally renders him incapable of engaging with material conditions. He outright condemns people who have a coherent ideology. Fundamentally incapable of engaging with people who genuinely have a dialectical framework to explain and defend an analysis of material conditions. Why? Because he takes the worst, loudest, most “woke” aesthetic meme people from bloody Twitter. Great justification to angrily dismiss anyone who is _actually_ ideological. Hasan today would’ve handled this a lot better. Mostly because Destiny, despite railing against emotional Twitter and reddit posters, has nothing to provide to this discussion but openly angry, irrational responses to _them_ .
YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE And it makes so much sense I cant argue against it any other way :-P
Really well done Hasan! You kept your cool when needed and then flipped when alpha memes were were getting hurled at you. I have always liked you and now I admire you. Again, great job buddy.
destiny uses anecdotal evidence to make general arguments about the competency distinction of workers and management destiny does not think using anecdotal evidence as it relates to general wage statistics is a valuable argumentative tool conclusion:
His best argument was "REEEEE you're walking such a fine line" LOL, yeah it's called nuance Destiny, it's kind of a requirement when your entire civilization and society is constructed with capitalist rhetoric.
"In the real world markets would dictate wages that aren't so horrible" Well what world are we living in now? Cos markets ain't making my bills less oppressive and I'm p sure this isnt make believe
You cant get people behind a political party based on hyper-individualism- a party requires sacrifice- If Destiny wants to understand how American workers got to where we are today- he should watch the Adam Curtis doc Hypernormalisation
Our society is a capitalist propaganda machine telling us how poor people are lazy & stupid, day and night. But Destiny gets triggered by Ro Khana complaining about executive pay! Does anyone know the perfect time in American history when everyone had great education, healthcare and people weren't poor that Destiny was referring to?
My favorite strawman was when he said talking about CEO pay disparity is like calling someone an asshole for driving a lamborghini and then saying "why are we attacking lamborghini's?
An actual Fact back up by data: Ceo's get paid more than they create and produce Destiny: what are these appeals to emotion Also Destiny: all workers are dumb because they aren't mangers or twitch streamers 🤔
Wished Hasan pressed harder on Destiny's position of "workers shouldn't not have more of a say in the workplace or can't become managers because they are dumb". Firstly, a democratic workplace doesn't even mean most workers will suddenly have to take on a managerial position. And secondly. . . this workforce is the MOST educated in history possessing more bachelors/masters degrees for the smallest return in investment.
I feel the same. Destiny makes up for his economic takes with most of his other views in debates. However, his complete and willful ignorance on display here, is just astounding to me.
Destiny is like the guys in class talking about how easy the subject is, never paying attention because they think they have nothing to learn and then getting below average marks in exams.
I feel like Destiny is doing the same format of straw man / motte and bailey argument that right wingers do. Like, he’ll say something like “Workers are stupid” (motte) Then when you press him on it, he’ll retreat to a much more defensible position: “What, are you trying to say that any worker could do a better job than your average manager?” (Bailey) He also wraps the entire argument up in a straw man, acting like the position of leftists is that managers are completely worthless and any worker could do their job just as well or better.
I think a lot of the reason he gets so readily made fun of by both sides is that he is a polemic and deliberately inflammatory dude who comes off as condescending. Also he comes off as uncritically dismissive when doing things like making a direct comparison between the alt-right and leftists without actually educating himself on contemporary leftist policy or theory, especially when he would agree with like 99% of contemporary leftist politics as they exist.
It's pretty hard to vote in your best interest when neither party has your best interest in mind. It doesn't help when our media does everything it can to keep you from identifying as a worker. Then you have very little time and energy left to focus on philosophy and current events because you've spent all day working yourself half to death for a wage that doesn't even make ends meet.
Impressive to see a man feeding off his own emotions to such a heavy degree be so opposed to the emotions of others and preach objectivity when he is clearly not driven by that. I feel sorry for that girl behind him, that can't be fun to have sex with
This take from destiny makes more sense than the 'capitalist arc' one. More about hating on the revolution crowd than, "worker dumb." Actually wonder if this was what he was trying to say initially. Well I hope so.
How the fuck is he gonna say he doesn’t like the “emotional” take about ceos having money, when the literal issue of stagnant working wages while management wages are growing was literally just presented to him.
Corporations will ALLWAYS have more power than a worker, that's it, you can make all the arguments you want to try to dodge the topic but its true and you answered yourself the question on how to solve the problem, destiny
Destiny doesn't like simple easy answers he likes to over complicate everything. Like trying to put a puzzle together but he can't resist dumping more and more puzzles on top of it. 🤦♂️
What about CEO's in Japan who are limited to salaries 40x more than their lowest paid employee's to ease White Collar-Blue Collar relations and promote internal company loyalty? America can't adopt that model?
Marx thought the proletariat would rise up and eat the landlords. Marx was also worried that the petit bourgeoisie would be a bunch of gnarly bastards and co opt the revolution in order to become more solidly bourgeoisie.
“I’ve lost right leaning voices because of my lefty fanbase” I think you saying that political violence against conservatives can be justified lost a chunk of those people Destiny
BJA Anderson I think he likes having people with different opinions from him in his community so he can debate them. But still, he shouldn’t be shocked if he loses conservatives who followed him with his political violence take.
@@BRobMint " I think he likes having people with different opinions from him in his community so he can debate them." thats bs. he honestly hates having debates with socialists, he even said that he wanted to purge leftwingers from his community. he hates leftwingers more than actual white nationalists.
Hasan, I know you and Vaush had a falling out but I believe that you and he are the shining lights of the Left and if you 2 combine your efforts you could make a significant change.
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My take is that Destiny is not half as smart and not nearly as 'objective' or 'rational' as he thinks he is. He's not a powerhouse on economics or history by any means, yet accuses lefties of being ignorant.
it feels like he has beccome scuffed ben shapiro
he had his "destroyed the opponen with facts and logic" phase debating mentally retarded people on minority issues
as soon as he leaves this niche he looks like a dumbass just like ben shapiro
he's shapiro with even less intelligence.
His response to thought slime's video critique is him just losing a debate to a prerecorded video.
He reads 0 book
Destiny: I hate that the left makes emotional based arguments.
Also Destiny: *Screams angrily & loudly over people that challenge him*
I'm sure he also does it to his gfs. Which is why he moved away.
he will also ban you on his subreddit for disagreeing with him
@@JoeDirtisawsome aaaaand, thats fascism. GG destiny.
@@robertstewart4953 Censorship by itself is not facism. Its authoritarian if anything
Also Destiny : WHY ARE TWO GAY TWINS THAT FUCK BAD??
What is he talking about? Ceos directly control your pay. Landlords directly control your rent.
Siuz lmaoo
@Siuz 🤣
Sksksk I mean rents are often determined by local markets, but off course most landlords will charge as high as the market allows (Very few will charge as low as the market allows).
Bosses will pay employees wages which are similar to rest of the market too, but there's a few more factors involved. Prior experience/negotiation skills, whether the job market is saturated with quality candidates or lacking + personal bias.
@@elenapopovic6261 That's what Investor's Rights agreements like NAFTA and GAT are for, keep wages/growth low and investors profits high. Labor market "flexibility" makes it easier to control the labor force and keep them from unionizing or pushing for better pay/conditions. ruclips.net/video/fTDwCCagqGM/видео.html
Yes, but it's not like there is just one CEO of everything or one Landlord of everything. They can't overdo it if they want to keep making profits unless they have a monopoly
Hassan: not all landlords are bad people, there are obviously some good landlords
Destiny: commie reeeeee you just LITTRALLY said all landlords are bad
Destiny: "The Chapos that don't like me on reddit are representative of the entire left. I am very smart."
Hassan literally used the same argument he very much makes fun of when people say "I'm not racist. I have a black friend". He said something along the lines of "I dont hate land lords. I have land lord friends"
@@Alcani3ca do you actually not realize the difference between being against landlords as a concept and being rascist?
@@sethkoffler2571 Is not about landlord vs racist. The point is that Hassan makes fun of that type of argument as if it was a falacy. The pattern that makes the argument can be applied to anything. The pattern is "I don't hate x because I have x". Some examples:
- I dont abuse cats because I have one.
- I dont hate women because my mom is a woman.
- I dont hate cars because I have one.
So again, Hassan is very much using the pattern he makes fun of as an argument. Is not about racist vs landlord. Is about the pattern of his argument
@@Alcani3ca yes, but Hasan isn't arguing he doesn't dislike landlords as a concept and using "I have _________ friends" to justify that, hes clarifying that he doesn't dislike any random individual landlord personally just based on the fact that they're landlords, rather he dislikes the economic system that allowslandlords to exist. Hes basically saying I dont hate the players, i hate the game. With a racist argument, there is no game to be hated, if your a racist, you believe every individual black people (or whatever color) are inferior based on the color of their skin, and saying that you have black friends would be a way of denying that your racist, which is not analogous to why hasan said "I have landlord friends"
Destiny: lefties don't actually know leftist theory because I haven't personally talked to an academic leftist
Richard wolf: ya I'd go on destiny's stream
Destiny: LEFTIES DONT KNOW LEFTIST THEORY
Did Richard Wolff actually say that? He's my bread daddy
@@stannisthemannis6994 more or less ya. He's kinda down for anything really though. He's very savvy when it comes to the internet left considering his age.
Where did Wolff say this?
Destiny cobbles together his world-view of leftists from chapo sub reddits. Put the twitter and the reddit down Destiny, you're drunk go home.
So he's pulling a Jordan Peterson
Destiny is the ultimate Liberal. the moment it comes to actual economic equality he is out as long as he can gain some minority virtue points.
I still like listening to Destiny every once in a while when I'm playing a generally repetitive game or want to listen to him debate alt-right/light people, but yeah starting to part ways with him on this and other issues. I'll always be appreciative of Destiny helping me get out of falling into the alt-right rabbit hole, but might be time for me to discover even better and greater things.
Exactly what I was thinking. It just oozes out of him.
Out of touch liberal that is good with racial issues, bravoo thats a hard thing to achieve.
Yep, he's a self-described wealthy capitalist but apparently cant even afford air conditioning LOL
Man, I find you in the weirdest of places.
@@ASymbolicSymbol You and me both.
Destiny's a hopeless mess on labour and capitalism. Completely out of his depth.
Precisely why the chapo sub reddit shits on him.
almost like once you start rolling in that twitch cash you stop caring about people have an actual labor job
@@Sticky1254 yup. Money is rotting his brain.
He broke frame so quick
ure an inferior female simp
Cenk's nephew's friend got DESTROYED by cenk's nephew in this debate
>Cenk's nephew's friend got destroyed by Cenk's nephew's friend's friend
FTFY
Can't believe how that guy from the young turks rekt that other guy whos a friend of that guy from the young turks
12 LMAO
Incestiny is going to have a heart attack from getting destroyed by Cenk’s nephews logic.
Tpav incestiny, I’m done 😂 I just got done hearing him debate incest
Destiny spends too much time reading reddit threads about himself
@Guiuu Shurt Maybe if he is pissing off everyone, maybe the problem isnt everyone?
@Guiuu Shurt Or maybe the people who troll chapo forums are the same people who troll the donald and arent really either lefties OR right wingers, but woke fence sitting centrists like Destiny? Edit: There's a milliion plausible explanation here, all of which start by NOT cobbling together your self-image from reddit shit posting teenage kids.
Destiny: Let's stick to the issues 🙄
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 woke fence-sitter is an oxymoron
Guiuu Shurt is the
Friendship with destiny over.
Now Hasan is my best friend.
Check out Vaush. He's everything Destiny should be.
This is the problem in a nutshell right here. Cult of personality. People don't seem to learn how to think for themselves. They just go from one icon to the next. Brainless.
@@Somniostatic "Don't think for themselves" says the bootlicker that from birth on has been indoctrinated by capitalist propaganda, never read any theory and after years still defends the capitalist class.
@@Somniostatic I've been reading leftist theory since 2011. Tbh Hasan can be a bit dense sometimes but at least he understands these issues better than Destiny who although is a skilled rhetorican and knows Modern Monetary Theory pretty decently has a huge blindspot when it comes to socialist theory. So yeah I'm a bigger Hasan fan now. If you think that impacts my intelligence I welcome you to challenge me with any point of substance.
@@zeroclout6306 I think it is exactly what the problem is on the internet, as I said. Destiny seems to be nothing but an ego-streamer. I don't follow any of this shit.
But what immediately jumped out at me is that most people on the internet would repeat your comment, and they would then parrot the next icon. It's not really about how much you've read or how much you know. It's the brainlessness of following one icon after the other.
Like I said, I think your comment encapsulates perfectly the mentality of the internet, and it scares me that this is still where we're at. People don't learn to think for themselves, because they don't have the foundation for it, because our education system has completely failed them.
I'm sure a ton of people could make your point as well, and prove me wrong on an individual case; but the larger, social argument I'm making holds true. It's just cult of personality, ad infinitum.
Is Destiny losing his temper over memes?
He's secretly a 70 year old man.
Yes
We used to call billionaires robber barons for a legitimate reason.
@@eterlinblue99 mostly no different today...
destiny is working entirely on anecdotal emotional memes here it's kind of sad
He needs to be congratulated for playing himself.
Reminder to send spoilers when I get home.
@Joe B We can only wonder...
@Joe B because he's being a whiney little bitch
No he isnt? he's only ever criticising extremist rhetoric that hurts the arguments for the values he holds. How do you highlight the harmful rhetoric without referencing it?
Destiny got lots of feelings in this debate
I didn't expect that from destiny. Slowly becoming Ben Shapiro here....
Conservatives are attracted by pathos appeals, there is a whole academic study on how Sarah Palin got popular.
Yes, he was incredibly aggressive in his diction, it was off puttin man
Conservatives REACT solely off of emotion. This one just learned enough words to dance around it a little longer than others. Destiny "isn't interested in appeals to emotion" tho so he's above it all, that's why he tells people he's debating their positions FOR THEM instead of listening and attempting to comprehend...
Privilege + narcissism/elitism = that take.
It's sad since he should know what being poor feels like, yet the stream money has got to his head
Logan Meyer The CEO of McDonalds actually makes over $1 billion a year from the company’s profits and McDonalds suppresses wages by over $15/hr on average. Destiny is completely wrong. Let me explain.
Destiny actually thinks that CEOs paid salary as a business expense is their share of the profits? He is extremely ignorant. Profits are distributed to share holders. The McDonalds CEO owns 320,000+ shares out of 8.4 million, roughly 3.8% The value of which increases by just over $1 billion when the profits ($28 billion) of McDonalds of just one year are distributed to those shareholders.
Destiny should know that McDonalds made $28 BILLION in profits and if distributed to all of their 1.4 million U.S. employees, it would amount to over $20,000 a year per worker. And they work roughly 25 hours a week. So it’s about a $15/hr profit they are making on average from their employees. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, like Microsoft and others. This is hard for some people to grasp. McDonalds worker’s labor is the labor of one of the wealthiest corporations in the world. There is no reason they are not a high wage employer other than exploitation.
@@yellowbrand But then there would be no customers to afford their business. You fail at life son.
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 are you stupid? The prices wouldn't have to change a cent if hypothetically the profit was going to the workers. You're basically saying when you get overcharged for a hamburger and the money goes to a billionaire its fine but when you get overcharged the same amount and the money goes to a worker, suddenly the price increases?
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 What's the point of this comment? If workers get replaced, prices will drop immensely due to saving costs. What part of any of this makes you think prices would go up this much?
Destiny couldn't see why Lamborghinis are a sign of wealth disparity in a country with a stagnant median income...
....in this debate.
Lol yeah. DISAPPOINTED!
Also, it was a total straw man
He basically described Thorstein Veblen's idea of conspicuous consumption, and he can't see how that's a sign of inequality.
What the fuck...
How did the "democratic" countries vote their rights away? Hmm, maybe it has to do with the fact that there is no real democracy if there is no economic equality. The rich would not be able to build a powerful propaganda machine and control politicians to the extent they do if there would not be a huge accumulation of capital to begin with. Destiny somehow misses that whole idea.
The working class has indeed been stagnant! ruclips.net/video/0-QfU8mOA7E/видео.html
Really like the protaganist switch this arc.
the twitch scripts are getting better every day
Was Destiny the antagonist before?
TheSoneky Bro I found you, you want those docs about China still?
TheSoneky docs.google.com/document/d/16iw83noTdWvDiECaITX83rGhP_lros8QdBTrNnCoe6c/edit?usp=drivesdk
@@charbel2921 no. Now he is. Its the old siwtcheroo. The protagonists was destiny and hasan and then destiny went to the dark side and Voosh the Stampede came to become the new protagonist along with hasan.
Destiny: I Hate Poor People & Don't Believe in a Living wage
CHADSAN: i'm about to end this man's whole career
KAGE Spider The CEO of McDonalds actually makes over $1 billion a year from the company’s profits and McDonalds suppresses wages by over $15/hr on average. Destiny is completely wrong. Let me explain.
Destiny actually thinks that CEOs paid salary as a business expense is their share of the profits? He is extremely ignorant. Profits are distributed to share holders. The McDonalds CEO owns 320,000+ shares out of 8.4 million, roughly 3.8% The value of which increases by just over $1 billion when the profits ($28 billion) of McDonalds of just one year are distributed to those shareholders.
Destiny should know that McDonalds made $28 BILLION in profits and if distributed to all of their 1.4 million U.S. employees, it would amount to over $20,000 a year per worker. And they work roughly 25 hours a week. So it’s about a $15/hr profit they are making on average from their employees. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar company, like Microsoft and others. This is hard for some people to grasp. McDonalds worker’s labor is the labor of one of the wealthiest corporations in the world. There is no reason they are not a high wage employer other than exploitation.
virginstiny
Destiny: If you don't like your landlord why are you living in a tent...
Literally No one: Rent prices are too low.
@ThisIsMyRealName I feel for you man nobody should have to experience that. There should be some sort of shelter even if it's minimal. People shouldn't be exposed like that safety is a serious thing. I'm fortunate not to have to experience that. Stories like yours pisses me off. People don't give a crap about other people's misfortune as long as themselves are doing well. Destiny seems real cold and self centered using 1 meme to over generalize an entire issue. If he actually went out and witnessed some of the problems that society faces I'd respect him until then he can play more War of Warcraft and remain oblivious to these issues he claims to be an expert at. Keep the Faith and Keep your head up.
Peace be with you.
✌🤪
I'm glad Naruto calmed Sasuke down.
Political talknojitsu
Good meme
Destiny compared the kill all landlords reddit trolls to the honker meme guys as if the people who want to exterminate other races are comparable to the people who are tired of being exploited and abused by landlords. YIKES. Now that is a spicy take. A real fireball.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 It was about the optics, not the threat. They agreed one the death threats were ironic and the "honking" was sincere, but for someone uninformed, it's death threats vs some harmless honking. Can't you see that he's actually trying to offer a better path forward?
Oh, cry me a river Destiny, like your community isn't toxic as well. He is being a massive baby rn
boohooing about how it's hard to defend leftist ironic memery like "eat the rich" without contextualizing the jokes (wealth hording has caused a great deal of suffering to the working class). Like, does he think we actually want to eat Elon Musk Salad?
it hits hard when he said ealer that there are rightwing friends who are being driven away, thus he mush pruge the hard left in order to have his balanced space and preserve..something he needs.
Liberals always the centrists. XD
Destiny has always been a massive baby, but in the past he was my massive baby
);
His whole rant is literally an unhinged childish emotional meltdown. His midlife crisis regressed him to the age of 5. I've heard more mature and intelligent takes from Charlie Kirk.
holy shit how many times is he gonna mention the chapo subreddit calm down dude
Ikr. He seems to be really fucking triggered by the fact that some lefties on some thread on an outside subreddit shat on him. He never seems to care much about that kind of stuff when it is anybody else. It is almost as though those lefties on the chapo subreddit were not all just outraged, uninformed commie larpers but instead had some valid, in-depth points against his rhetoric.
At least he is trying to punch up at chapo. Maybe he'll get Pod Save appearance with enough of that.
poptarps he’s just mad that Hasan got invited to Chapo and not him
@@vantahawk2834 i read and posted in that thread, most of it was just goofing on his twitter meltdown. Not sure how he thought the left would respond when you say workers are stupid. Btw his arguments about ceo pay only take into account salary - no one becomes a billionaire off a salary lol, these guys take there money invest it and make even more money without having to produce anything and make money off other assets and shares in the company.
he feels personally victimized
Destiny talks about workers like Richard Spencer talks about minorities
I got really triggered for a second, but then i realized you said "Spencer" and not "Wolff" lololol
@@crappozappo yea i thought he was talking about Richard Carrier for a second
Exactly! He got his group he feels ok to bash
nah, richard spencer can atleast argue his points and come to a reasonable conclusion. What specific you mean about minorities?
@@Jekiterio I think what the OP is saying, is that for Richard Spencer, people who are ethnic minorities are not people to him, just intellectual abstractions. Destiny's success seems to have alienated him from working class people, and now he can't empathize with them on any meaningful level. Being poor in America is something that Destiny can't comprehend, and now he just sounds like Ben Shapiro
i'm so glad Hasan is getting tired of Destiny's reactionary garbage.
reactionary? lol
Lordie Yes...do you... not know what reactionary means? Lmao
Be honest at this point he is acting like a reactionary
Same strawmen arguments as them
Reactionary: A person who desires a return to the status quo. A person or group that is against social/political change or reform.......... I'm just gonna leave this here for whoever may find it useful. Not pickin sides, not naming names.
I tried to listen to Destiny explain his position but he couldn't sum up his position in a couple of tweets so I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
ON this "debate" he was even stupider and worse than Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk.
winning comment
If he can't sum it up in a couple of tweets then there's no way he can sum it up in a 24 minute video
This debate has moved from what is a proper living wage to a complete denial of the existence of a problem in wage inequality.
Wage inequality!! HAHAHA
@@justinguerrero8941 What? Wage inequality is power inequality. When you have more money than 10% of the population, that's a massive problem.
DommY CS LOL who did you think he was? Did you think he genuinely cared about minorities and disadvantaged people? He doesn’t give a fuck. He’s literally said this multiple times. He doesn’t believe in moral values. He only does what will ultimately benefit himself. I’m not even saying this to smear him. I fucking love Destiny but he’s a moral nihilist my dude.
@@1999_reborn To be fair, he has tried time and time again to frame himself as a reasonable progressive a la counterpoints, not a capitalist beta in sheep's clothing.
XavierMacX But he’s always called himself a capitalist
Destiny's centrism is hella strong in this one
And gets crushes in the end about being informed and they only agreed on dump people!! Besides the points Hassan was makin.. were “he couldn’t necessarily disagree with ”...
He even said he appreciates the right wing voices in his chat lmao
@Soy Boy do you think liberals are left?
He goes hard right when pussy gets involved for him to whiteknight lol
@Soy Boy look at any political map, liberals are centrists. Lefty logic == grass is green
Destiny fell into the same bad argument trap as the right wing.
Liberalism is right-wing, so why do you expect any different when Destiny is the quintessential liberal?
the only good thing he does is talking about minority issues and exposing that to people that probably wouldnt be exposed to that otherwise
he has boomer right wing elitist takes from 1960 about capitalism and is completely blind about what is going on
Communism has never been successful. Soak that in.
@@franklinrichards1033Unions have though. Unionization brings a median 10% increase in wages and quality of living AT LEAST, and it gives workers a democratic counter force against the capitalist economic force that is incentivized to exploit them.
"... in the real world, markets should set the wages". The fact that that the market "should" do this, and yet doesn't should be plenty of indictation that relying on the "market" for any sort of mediation of corporate tyranny is ludicrous. Hasan's right: class antagonism is literally baked into Capitalism. If the ultimate goal of a boss is to maximize profit (which is theft from the workers' production value to begin with), then if the worker makes more, then the boss makes less profit. Ergo, the boss has a natural incentive to pay his/her workers less in order to maximize profits. And as Capitalism also stressed endless growth, even if the market cannot sustain this growth, then it is inevitable that bosses will engage in further and further degradation of their workers to achieve this growth. This, of course, means that Capitalism inevitably leads to corporate tyranny and a regression back into quasi-feudalism (where workers are tied to their jobs by desperation than to the land that is owned by the feudal lord).
Was trying to think of how to word this to other people and this was very succinct, thank you
ure an inferior female simp
Destiny said "facts dont care about your feelings" but unironically lol
he has slowly become scuffed ben shapiro
I know, its insane
@@hallo-mt5tx even shapiro makes more sense, and he doesn’t scream at people he disagrees with, and he certainly doesn’t vilify and go out of his way to trigger people ON HIS FUCKING SIDE
thatguygabe Yes he does
@@cbkm0 lol ikr
Destiny really irritates me with his neoclassical perspective on economics.
And what's more annoying about him is hes unwilling to Change his position at all.
@Johnny Guillotine
Destiny is many things, friend. A bad faith actor is not one.
He may be a fucking moron in this sense, but he's genuinely just an idiot- he's had this take as long as I can remember.
If it's not broke... Oh wait...
Debate him!
He fell for the regressive left-meme, someone please tak away his computer
NAILED IT
Change meme with reality.
Your comparison of cops to landlords is far better than destiny comparison of people having a problem with billionaires and Lamborghinis.
Broadstreet Flyers95 I love destiny, but he seems to be going really hard on issues that aren’t super important lately, maybe a lack of content or something.
@@tylerhughes9155 you love destiny? Do you still hold that view?
@@shaheenshad5012 I’ve stopped watching his content, has he done something?
@@tylerhughes9155 Well he just lied about Hasan going to a brothel that was raided for child sex trafficking (they were raided for tax evasion 5 years after Hasan went)
Destiny alienated workers and his community in this debate
Oh No! 😫 Destiny just did the "markets will rearrange to create a fair relationship b/t workers and capitalists meme" no, we lost Destiny 😔
He fell into the same right wing bad argument hole. Also he thinks markets only exist under capitalism.
Yeah that was a real face-desk libertarian moment for me, ouch. "Like you know, ummmmm, once the workers bust out the pitch forks and torches, and millions have died in the streets, the markets will have no choice but to make a correction. What is so wrong with that? ?"
Always had
Destiny thinks communists are idealists. This is the big thing hindering his thought process in the beginning in the video. Maybe there are some idealists but then i feel they are easy to throw away because you HAVE to be a materialist to be a marxist.
^
As if the "free market" isn't an impossible ideal. Every day I find people trying to argue that "true" capitalist economy has never existed, and if it did it would fix everything. The problem isn't capitalism, it's "cronyism", whatever the hell that means.
@@LimeyLassen It's all the same.
@@Psychedlia98 long live the Naxalite rebellion
Erik Larsson Hell yeah comrade
Destiny was abusing hassans labor in this debate
I really wish Hassan sent him a cashapp request for emotional labour.
Lost a lot of respect for Destiny honestly, really disrespectful to working class people like my family and very elitist
@ThisIsMyRealName Twitch is owned by Amazon
RUclips and Google is owned by Alphabet, Inc
These sources of information are slowly becoming
as bad as mainstream news organizations. Also
I have had problems getting Bernie Sanders
RUclips Channel to play videos not sure what's happening
could be a glitch. I have nothing against artists
making a living but when they use their
own platform to knowingly misinform
the public to protect a system rigged against the very
people who support them that's guilt by association.
@Broadstreet Flyers95 why are so so unbelievably triggered
@Broadstreet Flyers95 Why should the dems take advice from you? You don't want them to win
"we are still a representative democracy"
Tell that to the Stanford study that shows we function as an Oligarchy.
Destiny is a literal man-child. Wow.
I mean, all these streamers are. Still good shit though.
Destiny has convinced me that Mao had some good ideas.
Destiny has convinced me the great purge didn't go far enough.
Destiny has convinced me that gulags should be a thing in 2019 America.
Destiny convinced me to embrace the dark side of the force.
Like killing millions?
@@franklinrichards1033 that's the entire joke
"You're literally giving me a commie take..."
Yeah, Destiny. And?
skeletonmf Communism is fucking retarded.
@@puppy8125 😢😢😢
skeletonmf Human nature’s interference with the communist system. It would never, ever work (at least not NEARLY as well as a regulated capitalist economy with a focus on social programs).
panda121602
Lmao you’ve gotta be fucking joking. Communism is human nature. People aren’t greedy pieces of shit by nature. Communal organization has existed as long as humans have.
@@kingofthebis1068 don't give this abelist reactionary who refuses to use his ears any sort of attention comrade
Destiny actually got destroyed in this debate.
All jokes aside I'd never thought I'd see the day
ure an inferior female simp
"I don't believe in living wage because it's too hard for capitalism to provide you a living wage"
(c) greatest leftist in history - destiny
"What's happening?"
Destiny is having an aneurysm.
Funny to watch destiny cry about leftists with his gypsy commie artist room mate drawing in the background
Slowly becoming diluted trying to throw counter point after counter point until he doesn't care about anything anymore it gets mind numbing then complains about other people that criticize him. Let's talk about the issues but first lets talk about myself for 15 minutes. He is losing the ability to be constructive. Oh well I guess critics need a lane to.
@ThisIsMyRealName Gypsies are just that, gypsy, not a slur for anything the way I am using it. The gypsy I dated was Iranian, but they can be white or any ethnicity I'm sure.
@Cegesh Yeah I was just drawing a comparison between the girl in the background and the gypsy I dated after college. She had rich hedge-funder parents, fancied herself a failed artist, didnt want to get a job or pay a mortgage, had a brand new prius, and we banged for about year until I realized she was kind of an ugly person.
Destiny has served his purpose, now he's just embarrassing.
The most on point comment on this video.
The only good point Hasan made was about people making memes about him too, what drugs are you on.
@@meankronen8217Might not be adressing me, but the answer is cannabis, exclusively.
Otherwise, what does your perception of Hasan not doing a great job in this talk have to do with Destiny being cringy and embarassing in general? He has done some debates with extremists and helped some people not fall into far right politics, but his own politics are stunted and myopic, he is super self centered and doesn't seem to have a coherent explanation of why all the problems he lists have arisen. Therefore, purposed served, but now embarassing.
So this whole frothing rant was because the Chapo subreddit said a mean thing?
lol
Ah, but you see, Destiny has seen hundreds of videos. So therefore his takes on leftism are clearly correct.
Uphold Destiny-Dankula Thought!
Destiny is literally trying to fast talk his way through a debate like an 80's commercial explaining why you're gonna get cancer from their product.
Literally a centrist Ben Shapiro
Destiny is Centrist Ben Shapiro.
Destiny’s girl on her phone scrolling thru Hasan’s feed 😔☝️
I cannot for the life of me understand what's Destiny's problem with eating all landlords.
is Destiny dating Bob Ross?
He is dating Rob Boss. A real commie.
There are immediately some huge blind spots. Like wondering why people think billionaires shouldn't exist in a democracy. It's kind of bizarre that he can't see the relevance of comparing CEO pay to average worker pay as a ratio changing over time. His example of picking on a random rich person in a sportscar, which would be random and distracting, makes no sense. The CEO's and average workers are paid from the same revenue, the relevance is self-apparent. He seems to have no grasp of the economic history of financialization, privatization, union-busting, neo-colonialism, outsourcing, etc. as a context for the left economic agenda.
But the annoying thing is the blind reverence for the status quo. It doesn't occur to him that managers are more competent at schmoozing their bosses and controlling the workers more than actual work. He doesn't question where money comes from or how it gets allocated in the first place, he basically just buys into the cartoonish Freidmanite mythos. That and the blatant mischaracterization. Hasan said landlords garner a similar resentment to cops and he calls that a "commie take". That's an odd blind spot, he doesn't understand the idea that managers and banks and landlords and police all enforce the capitalist system of control.
Also really frustrating that Hasan came on to talk about why people saying wages should be higher makes this guy so mad, and his response is to lump that idea together with other ideas that he saw in memes that actually are unserious and bad.
Near the end, it's frustrating to see someone be so condescending and uninformed simultaneously. Also so lazy and petty. He's ready to succumb to horseshoe theory because many walks of life don't like him personally. It's a little narcissistic and belies the logical truthteller persona.
There are answers to these rhetorical questions he poses, he didn't care to look before stating them authoritatively. He claims people are too dumb and just vote against their interests, but there is a well-funded propaganda infrastructure set up to distract and confuse people. Candidates are not elected per se, but selected by a party process largely based on elite/donor backing. With some critical thinking, you can deduce that people who feel they are being served by the prevailing system are more likely to vote and participate generally to maintain their stake, while disenfranchised people who don't think the system serves them are more likely to be struggling just to survive, not logically assessing their interests and actualizing them or pushing policy priorities. If every eligible person voted we'd likely have better policies. Unfortunately, people are there at every turn to blame any new improvements for the suffering the system already generated.
It's like he's never heard of the Overton window, state capture, manufacturing consent, the entirety of labor history, etc. Either workers are smart enough to pass good policies over the wishes of the literal ruling class that upend the system designed over hundreds of years of legal development to serve them specifically, or they don't deserve a living wage.
@@b.6.7.f.h. Sad to see your comments haven’t received any engagement.
You’re absolutely right. Destiny’s entire “principles first” mentally renders him incapable of engaging with material conditions. He outright condemns people who have a coherent ideology.
Fundamentally incapable of engaging with people who genuinely have a dialectical framework to explain and defend an analysis of material conditions. Why? Because he takes the worst, loudest, most “woke” aesthetic meme people from bloody Twitter. Great justification to angrily dismiss anyone who is _actually_ ideological. Hasan today would’ve handled this a lot better. Mostly because Destiny, despite railing against emotional Twitter and reddit posters, has nothing to provide to this discussion but openly angry, irrational responses to _them_ .
@@wafflepoet5437Yeah he literally shits on leftists while his Community consists of people with absolutely no concrete political standpoint.
You're giving me a commie take
You're giving me a commie take
YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE
And that Commie take makes sense.
Destiny keeps giving us liberal takes
We learned a lesson today: libs cant meme
YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE
YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE
YOU'RE GIVING ME A COMMIE TAKE
And it makes so much sense I cant argue against it any other way :-P
Really well done Hasan! You kept your cool when needed and then flipped when alpha memes were were getting hurled at you. I have always liked you and now I admire you. Again, great job buddy.
destiny uses anecdotal evidence to make general arguments about the competency distinction of workers and management
destiny does not think using anecdotal evidence as it relates to general wage statistics is a valuable argumentative tool
conclusion:
but but but reeee muh logix!
Destiny is just mad, that why he is unreasonable this time.
its ok to be mad; Mr Roger style, he needs to sing or be creative about it tough instead of throwing a fit.
His best argument was "REEEEE you're walking such a fine line" LOL, yeah it's called nuance Destiny, it's kind of a requirement when your entire civilization and society is constructed with capitalist rhetoric.
"In the real world markets would dictate wages that aren't so horrible"
Well what world are we living in now? Cos markets ain't making my bills less oppressive and I'm p sure this isnt make believe
Wages are certainly not tied to the productivity of workers.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 red herring
@@arthurporter131 How so?
I love hearing people that dont work or have never really worked and are doing well tell us that workers are paid well for what they do.
Destiny literally trying to make data out of a bunch of anecdotes.
The plural of anecdote is data :)
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 evidently, she really got through to him 😑
You cant get people behind a political party based on hyper-individualism- a party requires sacrifice- If Destiny wants to understand how American workers got to where we are today- he should watch the Adam Curtis doc Hypernormalisation
Destiny needs to watch 1(ONE) chomsky vid. Radicalisation shall be complete
🤦♂️
Our society is a capitalist propaganda machine telling us how poor people are lazy & stupid, day and night. But Destiny gets triggered by Ro Khana complaining about executive pay!
Does anyone know the perfect time in American history when everyone had great education, healthcare and people weren't poor that Destiny was referring to?
Destiny CREATED stawmans in this debate
My favorite strawman was when he said talking about CEO pay disparity is like calling someone an asshole for driving a lamborghini and then saying "why are we attacking lamborghini's?
Wait why is Destiny acting like having billionaires shouldn't concern anybody?
It shouldn’t
@@edenbeats You think that massive accumulation of wealth through nothing but the ownership of capital is not at all concerning.
‘Cliched talking points on trade are too complicated for most to understand.’
-destiny
I take it that Destiny's not a big Dead Kennedys fan "Lets lynch the landlord, lets lynch the landlord man!"
Also does Destiny think Chapo is like the constitution of the left or something lol.
Or even that all the people in Chapo thinks the same way? ChapoTrapHouse2 and LeftWithoutEdge fight on cth all the time
he probably thinks that the Chapo sub is the only leftist sub lol
An actual Fact back up by data: Ceo's get paid more than they create and produce
Destiny: what are these appeals to emotion
Also Destiny: all workers are dumb because they aren't mangers or twitch streamers 🤔
Wished Hasan pressed harder on Destiny's position of "workers shouldn't not have more of a say in the workplace or can't become managers because they are dumb". Firstly, a democratic workplace doesn't even mean most workers will suddenly have to take on a managerial position. And secondly. . . this workforce is the MOST educated in history possessing more bachelors/masters degrees for the smallest return in investment.
Destiny metaphorically covers his ears with this hands whenever he talks to somebody remotely leftist. It's really embarrassing
I like Destiny and I don't want him to end up in Gulag, but damn he might will.
I feel the same. Destiny makes up for his economic takes with most of his other views in debates. However, his complete and willful ignorance on display here, is just astounding to me.
21:54 Destiny would really benefit from reading Manufacturing Consent but I guess that's longer than a few tweets.
Everyone would. 👍
Destiny deserves to be cancelled by the left. They're half his fan base. He's nothing without his lefty fans.
plus his reactionary fans from when he was one.
Classic Chad vs Virgin meme
"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed." - Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations - Book I
Hasan is getting better at debating and maturing with time and destiny seems to be doing the complete opposite 😬😕
Yeah. He really impressed me here in a way he hadn't before. Made Destiny look a total chump.
Destiny got destroyed in this debate.
Seriously, not meming, he actually did.
Destiny is like the guys in class talking about how easy the subject is, never paying attention because they think they have nothing to learn and then getting below average marks in exams.
I feel like Destiny is doing the same format of straw man / motte and bailey argument that right wingers do.
Like, he’ll say something like
“Workers are stupid” (motte)
Then when you press him on it, he’ll retreat to a much more defensible position:
“What, are you trying to say that any worker could do a better job than your average manager?” (Bailey)
He also wraps the entire argument up in a straw man, acting like the position of leftists is that managers are completely worthless and any worker could do their job just as well or better.
Motte and Bailey? What is that
grimreaperX1000 google motte and bailey fallacy
@@LewdNoodz it's the logical fallacy that gets used so often that once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Unnecessary nitpick that is unrelated to the point:
The motte was the more defensible position in a motte and Bailey castle.
I think a lot of the reason he gets so readily made fun of by both sides is that he is a polemic and deliberately inflammatory dude who comes off as condescending.
Also he comes off as uncritically dismissive when doing things like making a direct comparison between the alt-right and leftists without actually educating himself on contemporary leftist policy or theory, especially when he would agree with like 99% of contemporary leftist politics as they exist.
It's pretty hard to vote in your best interest when neither party has your best interest in mind. It doesn't help when our media does everything it can to keep you from identifying as a worker. Then you have very little time and energy left to focus on philosophy and current events because you've spent all day working yourself half to death for a wage that doesn't even make ends meet.
how can you have any pudding if you haven't eaten the rich?
Translation: “...get all emotional about it...”
Destiny loves the rich.
Hates the poor.
His right wing is showing.
Destiny is Ben Shapiro for liberals
I'm in no way a fan of destiny, but he's far from ben shapiro.
pretty accurate
Impressive to see a man feeding off his own emotions to such a heavy degree be so opposed to the emotions of others and preach objectivity when he is clearly not driven by that. I feel sorry for that girl behind him, that can't be fun to have sex with
This take from destiny makes more sense than the 'capitalist arc' one. More about hating on the revolution crowd than, "worker dumb."
Actually wonder if this was what he was trying to say initially. Well I hope so.
Destiny's workforce revolted in this debate.
How the fuck is he gonna say he doesn’t like the “emotional” take about ceos having money, when the literal issue of stagnant working wages while management wages are growing was literally just presented to him.
Corporations will ALLWAYS have more power than a worker, that's it, you can make all the arguments you want to try to dodge the topic but its true and you answered yourself the question on how to solve the problem, destiny
Destiny doesn't like simple easy answers he likes to over complicate everything. Like trying to put a puzzle together but he can't resist dumping more and more puzzles on top of it. 🤦♂️
I love how Destiny owns himself by re-inventing Marxism by accident
What about CEO's in Japan who are limited to salaries 40x more than their lowest paid employee's to ease White Collar-Blue Collar relations and promote internal company loyalty? America can't adopt that model?
When the choices for voting are ultra capitalist and capitalist, then it's not on the stupidity of the public, it's the lack of choices...
Destiny got socialized in this debate
Marx thought the proletariat would rise up and eat the landlords. Marx was also worried that the petit bourgeoisie would be a bunch of gnarly bastards and co opt the revolution in order to become more solidly bourgeoisie.
“I’ve lost right leaning voices because of my lefty fanbase” I think you saying that political violence against conservatives can be justified lost a chunk of those people Destiny
This confused me as well. As much as he shits on conservatives, I have no idea why he would care at all.
BJA Anderson I think he likes having people with different opinions from him in his community so he can debate them. But still, he shouldn’t be shocked if he loses conservatives who followed him with his political violence take.
@@BRobMint " I think he likes having people with different opinions from him in his community so he can debate them." thats bs. he honestly hates having debates with socialists, he even said that he wanted to purge leftwingers from his community. he hates leftwingers more than actual white nationalists.
Destiny, please go on dave rubin and whine some more, we need that
13:16
Steven "Don't thread on me" Bonell II
Hasan, I know you and Vaush had a falling out but I believe that you and he are the shining lights of the Left and if you 2 combine your efforts you could make a significant change.
Why did they have a falling out?
Hasan > Vaush
@@STKHub it doesn't matter.