How Lilium Aims to Reshape Regional Air Services With Longer-range eVTOL Aircraft - FutureFlight
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With a fixed-wing and 30 ducted fan electric motors, the seven-seat Lilium Jet is expected to operate scheduled flights connecting cities up to around 155 miles apart in markets such as Florida, Europe and Brazil. The German start-up’s business vice president explained this plan to FutureFlight and also how the performance could support other business models, such as private aviation with partners such as fractional ownership and charter group NetJets.
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I have said this before, and it bears repeating: It is not which EVTOL aircraft makes it first to market that is so important. Rather, it is which one is fully embraced by the public. There were various iterations of electric vehicles that came before Tesla, but only that company made a vehicle that fit all of the public's criteria for acceptance. Personally, I am betting that Lilium will, beyond its competitors, be that EVTOL company which the public embraces.
I definitely agree that being first to market will not determine long-term success in this sector of air transport. Good point as to which aircraft the public will embrace. I get the impression that most of these companies have done little or no real market research. Most members of the public I speak with have absolutely no idea that this mode of transport is heading their way.
Personally betting they won’t… but who am I to say… I only know how to design fixed wings and rotorcrafts 😂
I do wonder so hard feel vertical has good chance but feel be more profit in city to city cargo like for dhl etc fedx etc. but this will take off on social media people will oay just to go to different city form new travel (look at me selfie selfie selfie) then it be the normal. Think there is landing port in UK already (ready) Blade has got some very good ideas for this type of vtol
Last I checked, their stock was trading at $1.62 a share. Assuming that they can deliver what they propose, which is a very big assumption. I think that the stock is a steal at its current valuation.
Why? The design seems very expensive and high-maintenance
The VTOL vendors need to be pragmatic like Honda, and give up this battery-only dogma. Put a small turbine on board with a generator, and the range and duty cycle will make it economically viable. Stick to batteries, and it's just a parlor trick.
Odys Aviation have a hybrid platform that looks promising.
Maybe an automatic APU like larger jets would do the trick to increase range and recover from power loss. Or, maybe a full-time APU with a small battery pack would be reasonable. Just my $.02 on the subject.
@@fredericklyon2006 Ideally, a battery just large enough for a safe landing in the event of power losss. It could take off on batttery power, and start the engine at 1k feet so that you have minimal noise at ground level.
Ahhh... But what an interesting "Parlor!" 😂
This looks safer than anything else ive seen on the market.
can it glide?
if it loses power for whatever reason, what happens? does it just fall like a rock?
Even a helicopter can save itself from total power loss, this thing looks like those engines will destroy any chance this has at gliding down to safety.
The aircraft is quite amazing, the laminar flow wings are impressive and its performance, from what I've seen, looks great. I doubt this will catch on.
Build a plane for all those people who dread flying, and you'll have great success. Build a weird looking UFO that cannot possible save itself in event of emergency and i think we wont see you around in 10 years XD
It's a Plane within 45 Seconds of lift off, however! And would possibly have a Better "Glide Ratio" of a Cessna 150 - a Plane most Pilots know, will only glide about 5-7 Miles forward, per Mile Above the Ground Level. Plus, "It" (the Cessna 150) only has One Ancient Designed Engine! This (the Lilium) has 30 Modern Electric Motors, and a Canard Adds Lift, whereas a conventional Horizontal Stabilizer, adds Load, or Down Force, to stabilize the Twisting Effect of the Air flowing off the Trailing Edge of the Main Wing! As such, this already is more "Efficient" in Glide, due to the Higher Lift to Drag Ratio!
Good to see them pushing forward. These small companies fail often but they become disruptors and others then carry the baton forward as the tech advances and becomes more refined.
Con un turbohélice en la cola, impulsado con combustible quedaría perfecto, un hibrido ideal en todo!!!
Wonder how its gonna do in icing, heavy precip, small hail, birds, lightning strikes…
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You forgot about Saudi
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Sadly insurance is likely to be very expensive becase all these designs are extremely dangerous and are likely to have industry restructured fatalities. The faa needs to reqire all props to be inclosed so they can run into another bird or evtol. Rapid bolistic parachute should be required on all evtols in the event of full power failure. And I think designs realy should land flat to ground so wheelchair can roll on from parking spot on street on inclement weather.
Land "Flat to Ground?" On what? A "Skid?" That Wears out after 10 Uses? And is impractical, or even worse, to "Taxi In" after " Landing" if a Rolling Landing! (Not "ALL" destinations, will have "Heliports" or "Vertiports!")
It's a better helicopter? That's cool, but unless flights can also be radically cheaper I can't see how it will transform anything.
Really? Do you see how many people have a "Box" or "Glassed in Viewing Area" to go see"The Game?" That's "Enough" people to make these ideas start!
If $70 Million Global 7500's can sell like Hotcakes, faster than we can build them, stop thinking "Everyone" is at your level, Financially!
@@robertweekley5926 How do you think that's a response to anything I said? How would the world be transformed by sports stadiums having slightly better luxury boxes?
And again: How is the world transformed by rich people that can afford helicopters switching to a new brand of helicopters? That's not a transformation in any reasonable sense at all.
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Another "Business Model" could be "STOL" Flights, totally eliminate the "Vertical" part of the Flight Use Case, and instead use a Fully Horizontal Take-Off, but with a "Twist!"
Accelerate to 60% of Wing Supported Takeoff Speed, then Swing the Thrust Vectoring Surfaces Down 45°, for a "STOL" Departure! 600-1,000 Foot Long Runways should Suffice! Maybe even Half those Lengths!
Such departure mode, could help to extend the "Flight Range" by 5% to 25% in optimal conditions!
Apparently reviewed by Professor Volker Gollnick in August 2022. It was fairly scathing, especially with regard to the required battery technology for this type of design.
Let "Professors" - "Profess!"
These folks are Designing, Testing, Proving, Refining!
These "Professors" probably are still saying, "You can't Land a Rocket and Reuse it!" Also!! 🤨🥴🙄
But we all know that the battery technology simply doesn't exist to make this viable. That's why every other start-up is using a more conventional approach based on proven battery technology that exists today. This outfit are relying on outside technology beyond their control, yet to be brought to market.
Lilium Jet review here: ruclips.net/video/Hk6kF2eOxOQ/видео.html
Rich mans taxi!
Ich denke, dass dieses Konzept eine tolle Spielerei ist die auch nicht fertig entwickelt ist. Denn zu viel Energie wird benötigt, damit das Ding schwebt. Also viel Energie heißt auch: Wenig effizient. Das Ding würde pro Flugminute oder Stunde zu viel Energie benötigen. Ebenfalls ist die Akkutechnologie im allgemeinen nicht ausgereift und ebenfalls nicht effizient genug, bzw. auch viel zu teuer und ökologisch schädlich. Also wird das Konzept scheitern. Gesammelte Investmentgelder werden wohl weg sein.
hay look at the date is 2023, battery tech is now here doe this. 😅
Fear Not! Concord also had its "Efficiency" challenges, but still operated for about 20+ Years!
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I think this is gonna be very successful, this opens up so many possibilities.
What possibility does it open that helicopters can't do?
A flying Aptera!
Semoga sukses selalu tim Li
Technology to facilitate physical movement or technology to negate the need for physical movement... That is the question.
Two years on from this there have been lots of management changes. But where is the aircraft? Apparently i was burnt accidentally. The Eviation electric aircraft was also set back by an accidental fire. Hope the fire problem is fixed before these things appear in our skies. They have not yet quite fixed the problem of Tesla fires yet.
still the coolest vtol ive ever seen
I love the Lillium jet but there is quite a lot of hot air in this video "we strongly believe that business aviation is an early adopter" "seeing it is believing it" "10^-9 in safety" - What exactly is that?! Sounds a bit like the "unsinkable" Titanic.
you are so right Simon .... is that a good number ... I do not like to use the word " assume " .... hope they read these comments and comment back about that .... Lilium has been doing good , stocks are up and down , just like the others . Archer and Joby doing the same . Lilium is Germanys" Wrights brothers . Gong in the right direction .
@@Ilikeit616 I too hope that Lillium make it as their technology seems good, their plans seem to make sense. I just worry when they start to emulate the Joby and Archer hot air. Lillium will work based on a) their technology b) their organisation and thoroughness. I suspect a) is good (certainly seems so) and given their German heritage I fully expect b) to also be true. But they don't need to bhsit us. The facts will speak for themselves.
It’s the probability of failure calculated by factoring chances of every redundant system, a requirement for EASA.
This is why the designer isn't the one you assume is laying down all cards, that is just who your dealing with, it's the spectators that offer more overlook field of insight to gain from.
10^-9 or 1 in a billion failure rate per flight hour is the standard for commercial airliners in EASA. Lilium isn't claiming 10^-9 in safety to exaggerate their safety rating. Its the minimum requirement outlined by EASA.
It's not a jet as used in aviation. A jet engine has a compression section, a combustion section, and a turbine section. This has an electric motor with a ducted fan. Great technology, but please stop calling it a jet.
A jet is a jet is a jet.
omg, it can be called what ever, am pw jet mechanic , i dont gwt ofended. Is time to live the jet in the past.
@@valienterfIf we leave jets in the past, aviation will come to a halt.
LOL. Zero evidence of payload capacity.
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I like the eVTOL !!! So much. The size / use case of each vehicle is important, not just one type is needed, short, and long and heavy lift, I want to build houses in the mountains and coasts where there are no roads and no way to build and commute from , eVtol makes this new lifestyle possible, as presently if there is no road your out of luck. helicopters are too expensive, and polluting and loud, these are the answer to vast new ways of getting out of the crowded, obsolete and polluted cities.
a helicopter?
How will you get there, in the first place? On foot? By Horse? Use a Dirt Bike? And how will you clear the "Leveled Landing Space" of Trees, Rocks, Stumps, Bears, etc? 🤔🤨
@@robertweekley5926probably by flying carpet. Nobody has an operational flying carpet at this time, but I am sure it will exist in the future.
Charging time ?!
I'm assuming 12 days, since they didn't mention it at all.
More practically, make a version with swappable batteries. Call it "refueling" or whatever, but don't make me wait while the thing charges up.
Ehung is making great progress
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Naah. No safety. Death trap.
As "New Technologies" these will start out "Expensive!" Then gradually get less so, in time!
Maybe not as fast as TV's, but, I still recall a "Flat Screen Plasma TV" that was sold by Sony, with a Price of $25,000!
Today, a Larger 4K LED TV can be bought for under $1,000!
And an 8K OLED TV, for under $2,500!
And that is just in 23 Years Time! Oh, and, "Smart Phones" were barely a "Thing" 23 Years ago!!
Kodak invented the Digital Camera, but failed to develop it, trapped by their own "Film Developing Business Mentality!"
These things are likely to shake out more than a few Players, but the idea will persist, and some winners will survive!
Lilium is nonsense. This thing will never be usable for commercial transportation. It doesn't fly. The flight time is max. 5min with max. 5 miles range. No security: no thrust = no lift, it will fall like stone. It can't be used for passenger or cargo transport.
No efficiency with EDFs, ( 36 ??!!!) no data of amp draw and voltage are available. The concept doesn't work: 440 kg empty with 1050 kg take off weight and the battery for 10min flight is 600 kg- no cargo , no passengers possible. What stupidity is going on here? It's not a technical concept, it's an advertising concept. This gimmick is a total failure.
could you cite your source? I've been curious how their range compares to the competition.
Lilium web site and Wikipedia. Lilium now announced to cancel the 5 seater and try a seven seater. Same problem: no load possible. Empty 1400 kg, max take off weight 3200kg and the battery with 300kwh is 1700 kg. Lilum does not supply info to battery weight or kwh/ kg. Actually the battery doesnt exist and shall be presented in 2025...with 350 kwh. Approx. 50 % of what is needed for more then 15min flight. At take off over 500 kw of power needed, in horizontal flight ( if achieveable) aprox. 200 kw....That means with 2 lift offs flight time is aprox. 10 min. Range aprox. 15 miles. If all goes well. So far the transition to horizontal flight doesn't work.
Just talk me through how you drain a battery in 5 mins without it setting on fire.
not True, the test go to 200 mil plus. are you in the old aviation induatry by any chance. Ex jet mechanic and i love this new tech.
Actual jet pilot here (retired). Maybe someday, but this thing is years, probably decades away from being certified airworthy to carry paying passengers. I have many systems redundancy questions, e,g., how is the power pack divided so a failure won’t cause catastrophic failure and loss of all power. What is the glide ratio? Etc. I can see this thing going into Humpty Dumpty mode pretty easily.
It's SHED-yul, not SKED-yul.
this tech is better than is being portrait here, independetly i hav etested this with scale down midels and it is fantastic, ibwas surpice why it had not been developed by someone, well here it is amd here i find imbesiles trashing something i child of today can do in a garage. come on people atop the 1980s bad rapi g of tech is juat getting old.
No idea what u r talking about. If any child can do this in the garage, why do the lilium folks need billions and years to develop it? Tell us, smartie...
“Imbesiles”. Check your spelling. “Midels, hav, surpice, “.
“The tech is better than is being portrait (portrayed)”.
Do you ever take the time to read what you wrote?
y'all remember when VTOL was complicated?
me too lol
Still is. Especially electrical. Payload and range is poor.
Certification could be a nightmare.
@@julesdomes6064 this is done by a start up though, this used to be lockheed type projects.
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The basic concept is unviable -- an aborted landing ('go around') or unexpected headwind let alone sudden weather deterioration could well result in 'controlled crash' (forced landing ) or uncontrolled crash as loss of power also equals loss of control and no second chances . For any round trip FOUR ground (taxi/uber) legs will cost in the hundreds of dollars at typical prices even before flight cost and the vehicle changeover time and hassle -also out in bad weather, will destroy any 'customer experience' . The calculated range was at 10 000 feet which is totally ridiculous for even most intercity trips -- the immunity to power available loss with height from electric power is illusionary except in theory -- the disc loading is far too high for any safety and during transition this thing is like a glider with divebrake 90 degree flaps , incredibly ill matched combination of 'features' . New magic batteries will not change the basics .
I don't expect Lilium to be successful, nor am I an enthousiast of their tech, but I think you largely miss the point here. This vehicle is highly redundant, there will be no need for "go-arounds" as with conventional aircraft that have to meet numerous requirements. It won't be sensitive to lateral winds, their engineers will manage to handle that problem. Just put in two computers, job done.
The crucial point is electric powering, i.e. the weight-to-capacity ratio and max output for take-off and landing with respect to the payload. That's the real challenge. As I see it, the focus in battery tech development is on the price, not on the two issues mentioned above. Lilium has only released a five minute test flight video in march 2023 that still leaves a lot to be desired and answered. They vocally announced they develop six-seater craft, but still hover around in five-minute-videos with the same old drone...
@@frankyboy1131 Perhaps read my post more closely -- loss of power should not result in loss of control (vectoring thrust only works if you have thrust to vector ....) with power off the 'turbines' are basically flat plate area or worse - gigantic airbrakes and with no control is not a good combination . You can get caught above or in cloud and need to divert or just survive and need time to sort things out --running out of battery power in this and lots of other scenarios is probable, even certain in a fleet or such things in short time --the headlines will do the rest. fail dangerous not fail safe . "Glide" like a greased brick - going sideways. The 'seaminess' (opposite of 'seamless'?) of the whole two taxis four ubers and their operators just to get to and from - work? - every time..... Notice the extensive areas of separated flow in their videos --but no effect on 'flight' meaning it is all done with brute force --somewhere someone has to burn the coal equivalent of over a thousand horsepower to feed this thing --measure the emissions THERE and breath the air also.
@@rossnolan7283 Okay, I see the point now that you are making here. Sorry for the inconvenience, it took me some time to understand. You are right, their demo vids shows how hard it is for this vehicle to take off in the first place, so a sudden change of environmental conditions or a power loss offers no margins to cope with that. Did I get that right?
However, basically there are ballistic parachute rescue systems available to prevent a deadly crash, but given the cost and construction /weight of such a vehicle, the company would probably have to write off all the "drop-outs" at their first emergencies immediately.
By the way, I have no idea how the Opener 'BlackFly" (four wings, open rotors) behaves in a power-loss incident, nor how redundancy (to prevent or mitigate that) is achieved, but the whole concept seems more reasonable to me.
@@frankyboy1131 parachutes have to fillout and then arrest the neccesary descent rate --only possible from some hundreds of feet altitude , otherwise they, and blackfly just plummet - like most objects in a gravitational field . Retro rockets are the only feasible way to avoid 'splattering' --there is a british firm already offering such hardware and making the case for low level vulnerability when you have no forward velocity - whether dieing in the resultant bushfire is better than a quick death on impact is something you will have o.o1 seconds to decide if you happen to be in most of Australia in summer for example or any other flammable location. There are many cases of sailplanes and some lightplanes landing in trees without loss of life or even, remarkably significant damage - a tree of the 'spreading' kind is almost what you would design to give a soft survivable cover over the unyielding earth - this of course requires a considerable wingspan to intercept enough of the fine branches and foliage rather than plunging through it as more compact or wingless evtols will (and rotors will just shred of course ) The public fear of 'falling out of the air' will be stoked by the first taxi service 'accidents'.and the PanAm helicopter crash footage will get aired yet again.....
What about hackers?
It’s piloted
what about rhe curent crappy aviation industry, ex ac mechanic, is time to change.
can't autorotate, can't glide, better pray the battery doesn't fail
Or burst into flames
More aviation vaporware.
The company made extravagant looking crafts, they shouldn't worked on making private and multi passanger airlines, possibly the first VTOL airliner. instead they were into the research of quieter crafts, which then resulted in slower cruise mode crafts, the early crafts had a more empromise, but it evolve to a compromise.
Such nonsense
It doesn’t really
My curiosity 💌
What is the lands Your entire ownership given rights🌾🌾 ✅ 🌾🌾called🌾
The lands we adhere to have formulae like $99 coast to coastal gold $1342.56/OZ
My curiosity 💌
What is the lands Your entire ownership given rights🌾🌾 ✅ 🌾🌾called🌾
The lands we adhere to have formulae like $99 coast to coastal gold $1342.56/OZ