What’s up Freethink fam! I’m Mike Wood, the director and host of this video. Thanks so much for watching. We know a lot of you are interested in stories about sustainable rail and mass transit. And we are too! Please stay tuned as we actually have some in the works. We’re fully aware that electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles can provide an alternative to more polluting forms of urban transportation but, alone, certainly will not solve climate change or the transportation issues cities face. We totally get it. Please be on the lookout for some upcoming videos and articles that cover some interesting sustainable mass transit solutions. See you on the next one!
We couldn't agree more with you, Mike. We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion and sustainable transportation. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them. We can't wait to see the projects you're working on next and we appreciate the Freethink community's thoughtful dialogue and healthy skepticism here - both of which are important ingredients for safe, reliable progress in the transportation sector.
@@o-o_pingu We certainly have more in the works, but if you'd like to watch some of the ones we've already done-- We’re using our streets all wrong: ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity: ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City? ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
Hi Mike! What relationship does Freethink media share with ArcherAviation? Were Freethink paid to make this video, do the two companies share investors, or another professional relationship?
Here's a free revolutionary idea for you : More bus and trams less cars. It's free. (Don't get me wrong it does look fun and futuristic but... You know >_> )
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Ifind it funny that Americans prefer these complex types of transportation to solve their problem when a much simpler solution is just having better public transportation. Seriously a bus is not only cheaper and alot more reliable than a FLYING CAR.
eVTOLS might look futuristic and nice, but they have many problems that cant be solved that easily. 1) inefficient, 2) very low capacity, 3) low frequency of pick-up, because of take-off and landing, 4) they need vertiports, 5) what if a passenger throws up, 6) safety / terrorism - Its easy to bring them down, crashing. And if you want to solve that with airport security, then they loose their point of being fast-pace, comfortable use, citizen-near transportation. If you want to solve this with designated sky-roads that dont have important infrastructure underneath, than you loose your 3rd dimension in a way, and also, now you have "roads" again, which directly imply traffic jams, at least at the landing zones. Why wouldn't a city just invest in biking, bus, tram, underground, train, ... infrastructure? That would be cheaper and benefit every social class. Please comment if you have constructive ideas to solving these issues. Would appreciate it.
1) Efficiency is not only a measure of energy, it's a measure of value. So if you can save someone 80% of the time their trip would take through traditional transit, for a reasonable cost, and with that extra time they are able to be more productive ... then that is also efficiency. 2) Do you mean low capacity as in only 4 passengers or 1000lb payload? Again, if it can do a 10 mile trip out of the city in what would take an hour by car, then it can do that trip maybe 3-4 times in that hour. Still not the capacity of a bus, but certainly better than an uber, and if renewable energy is used for the batteries, then also less environmentally damaging. 3) This is certainly an issue, but could actually be solved in areas that have a little more space. Lets say that there's a vertiport on top of a building. Yes, only one eVTOL at a time could land there for pickup/drop off, but in an area with slightly more room, lets say an airport, or an area slightly less dense than the center of Manhattan, you could have a landing area, and the eVTOL could taxi forward to a pickup area to offload/load and then take off from the front of that queue. A small airport if you will, but you don't need actual runway space. 4) Vertiports. Yes. No way around that until we have eVTOL cars that don't suck. 5) There needs to be a representative in any loading/offloading area for safety, maybe someone to clean up the yak also. 6) This isn't as concerning to me. 4 people is a small target. Why not just go after taxis instead. Thanks for putting the questions forward. This was a fun exercise in thought, and I just played devil's advocate. You certainly make some good points.
@@vistasuprema To make any measureable reduction in traffic congestion will require thousands of access places (V ports or whatever) and non dependence on either runways or uber pick up and delivery for each flight (that is six vehicles for each 'commute' -return journey ) --the 'mini airline' hub and spoke 'network' with seperate taxi/uber connections is inherently clumsy and has the same drawbacks as the existing airline system --this is not the long sought personal flying vehicle . VTOL is stuck with the need to come to a stop in mid air before touching down and starting from a stationary hover on take off - this is inherently slow and a high skill/high risk phase and adds to the total delay caused by having to arrange for uber pick up from the origin (your house,business etc ) and drop off at ground level at the 'neraby' vertiport, unloading baggage, taking an escalator to the rooftop pad, reloading and slowly rising and converting to level flight - reversing all that at the other end. This is hardly 'seamless' as sometimes described -- such an operation IS possible using roadable vehicles and ATOL (Assisted take off and landing) using NO onboard power --like launching a kite or a glider winch -silent also ; the most noise is produced by requiring brute force vertical take off and carrying the oversize batteries and propellers that VTOL needs . The aborted Uber Elevate 'summits' exposed the hidden costs of eVTOL quite well including the immense cost of the demanded infrastructure --worth revisting . The unsatisfied appetite for faster urban/suburban /wherever mobility will not be solved by such expensive and too limited devices as eVTOLS -of any kind but by reviving the 'want' they may assist in introducing an economical/ecological alternative in ATOL.
@@vistasuprema Hats off for the constructive comment! @o-o we replied to your earlier comment, but just in case anyone didn't see it :) - Public transit, bikes, etc are great and key to the future of cities too. We’ve done a number of videos on awesome people helping cities invest in those solutions (will include links a the end of the comment) and absolutely no shade intended! Will just add to Jason’s responses that there’s probably a difference between a government investing in a technology and simply allowing one that other people have developed. This technology is in its infancy, and time will tell how it evolves: what problems it is able to solve for people, what problems it encounters, and ultimately how it fits into the overall transportation system. Hopefully the more great options we have to address our different transportation needs and problems, the better we can ultimately make transportation run for everyone. Some more of our videos on urban transporation: We’re using our streets all wrong: ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity: ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City? ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Creating new rail lines is expensive. Also, when a train line goes down, that's hundreds or thousands of people that now have to find another way to get from a to b.
@@ArcherAviation thanks for the response. I do think these are very cool. I just worry about shiny object syndrome when we have so many good, existing solutions. Please keep doing what you’re doing, though! I appreciate that you’re working on a solution - even if it isn’t my favourite 😉 😂
sound will probably be horrendous. even on small drones they are horrendously loud. the rotor speed is proportional to lift so I'm curiously what the carrying capacity of the craft will be compared to a traditional helicopter. The only way they will be able to reduce rotor speed is if the craft is extremely light.
@@mikelahood9600 I saw this last year. The "waterfall" sound of their eVTOL can still be heard, but not annoying, probably in cities. Not exactly sure about how their sound will fair over farms and meditation camps.
@@clusterstage Totally. Definitely will be heard from more remote areas but I also think they'll be less popular in those areas as this type of travel is geared towards urban air mobility.
We will operate as an aerial ridesharing service and our aircraft will be flown by professional pilots just like any other commercial airline. In addition to that, we're working closely with the FAA on certification which you can learn more about here if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/yQXLMjbBHU8/видео.html
This isn't urban mobility for everyone... this is urban mobility for oligarghs so they don't have to mix with the everyday "riff raff". With lithium-ion batteries catching fire so often, better on the ground than up in the air. And if this thing falls out of the sky onto some-one's house or school or hospital or community centre, who pays? PROPER urban mobility - affordable efficient & effective public transport, whatever is most suitable - buses, trams, metro trains, underground metro - with dedicated lanes - alternative dedicated mobility infrastructure such as bikes, e-bikes, e-scooters ride-share - walkable cities, especially when the weather is good - compact 15-minute cities so everything we need is close by... we can walk or bike or skate or... - and YES, people CAN still drive if they want to (excellent urban mobility service options is good for drivers too) Freethink - I expected better from you.
A Tesla takes about 10x as much water to be extinguished compared to a normal car + it needs to be submerged into a waterbath for an additional 24h or so, to stop it from reigniting. I just love to imagine how one of these would have to be taken care of...
We love all of those proper urban mobility solutions and have done videos on many of them (as you may have seen)--no shade is intended towards them, they certainly are important parts of the future of cities and hats off to the people who are continuing to develop and expand their implementation around the world. With respect to urban flight: Helicopters already exist, so the oligarchs are probably already taken care of :). On the other hand, there are lots of regular people who take cabs and uber every day, and this is intended to be price competitive with them. So it could potentially benefit a larger group of people who currently use private vehicles while taking cars off the road. Safety questions are of course important to answer and evaluate with every form of transportation, from planes to cars. Hopefully this is examined thoroughly by the FAA before it is approved, and ends up being safe relative to the alternatives; time will tell. It will be interesting to see how cities react to this technology. Time will tell how it evolves: its benefits, the inevitable issues that will arise and how they are able to be addressed, the cost at scale. Hopefully the greater the breadth of solutions available the better our integrated transportation systems will ultimately end up being.
@@freethink it's great that aircraft are going electric - it's an awesome advancement. Hopefully a safer battery, i.e. not lithium-ion, will become available soon reducing the risk of overheating & fire etc. I see this type of tech excellent for getting personnel to destinatiions quickly, for example disaster management, emergency situations, transporting medical teams, police operations etc. But as an "urban mobility solution" in cities that have millions of residents? Cities couldn't handle hundreds of e-scooters; I'm skeptical about hundreds of "hellitaxis"?! Having said that, some cities are making some very dubious urban mobility decisions, pampering to the whims of oligarchs and neglecting the needs of just about everybody else. What would the impact be on urban wildlife, such as migrating birds & insects etc? Two international agreements apply re sustainable urban development, including transport - 2030 Agenga on Sustainable Development -- Habitat III Have you spoken to the FAA about how they plan to regulate & manage hundreds / thousands of "hellitaxis". BTW, how much noise do they make - individually, in groups, in their hundreds (heard of noise-induced hearing loss & other health impacts of noise pollution?). Also, will cities residents have to give up green spaces, parks or space for (affordable) housing to accommodate "hellitaxi ranks"? Would these "hellitaxi ranks" be public or exclusive private spaces for clients only? Developing compact, inclusive, sustainable, integrated, green, safe & climate-ready cities is a complex challenge that will require a myriad of non, low & high tech solutions and will need to accommodate non-human residents & ALL humans ones. I certainly hope cities managers & developers make decisions that benefits ALL citizens, and not merely the privileged few ones... Re e-scooters: great urban mobility options, but streets got overwhelmed & existing road infrastructure could not accommodate them so cities simply banned them. Pity. I think with some innovative planning, appropriate road infrastructure & some safety rules, e-mobility IS a great urban mobility solution option. Re "hellitaxis": hopefully a niche mobility option that will assist cities become safer & assist provide essential services to ALL residents, not just the few "fancy" ones...
@@nonsensicalnonsense1035 I believe emergency services now simply allow the car to burn out safely rather than trying to put the fire out, or is this an urban myth? Hopefully a new type of battery will become available soon - lots of researchers are working on the challenge & there are advancements every day! I recently saw a report on the growing incidence of battery fires, and I'm wondering if climate plays a role here. Lithium-ion may be okay for places with cooler climates, but not suitable for places in hot climates. For example, some cities in India & China have temps around 50 C during heatwaves that can last weeks / months. Its great that aircraft are going electric. Such aircraft will be excellent for medical personnel, emergency & disaster personnel, urban search & rescue, police & security personnel etc. I do object to them being called "urban mobility solutions", especially in cities with millions of residents.
80$ per seat? Man... Ryan air gets you from Frankfurt to London for 15$... this needs to be way more affordable, because i don't know who would spend 1/4 of their flight cost on getting to the airport
A cab/Uber ride from Manhattan to Newark International or JFK can easily be upwards of $100 and take well over an hour to drive. We can fly it in ~10min. There are millions of these kinds of trips that occur every day in the U.S. and beyond which can be replaced by flights in our aircraft to save people time and help take cars off the road.
@@ArcherAviation How many flights would you need per day to transfer all persons who would like to use this tech? Compared to a cab, how much more does it consumes the energy? Or how much the eVTOL vehicle costs (compared to typical cab/uber)? Wouldn't that play on a price? You have around 80k pax going to airport and about the same arriving daily. I would prefer 10min flight over 1 hour in traffic jam. So would most of the people. How you deal with demand? I am not trying to be negative, but these are valid questions that needed to be probably simulated. Can't wait for my first flight.
Great video, excited about the future. One question I have is when it does happen. What's our sky going to look like? will it be flooded with these drone-like planes?
Build a metro line or even high speed rail between where these "vertiports" should be. Boom, problem solved, and you don't have to reinvent public transport to do it
Completely missing from the video: energy consumption. I want to see a comparison of time and total energy consumption (assume electericity generated by oil or gas, because that is currently the case, especially in the US) for a 30 km journey from location X to Y, by plane, subway, and car, per person. Forget energy use in construction to not make it too complicated. Also, assume all modes of transport available at X and Y
This is very cool, but i doubt the community buy in part will happen easily or anytime soon. Most of these places don't even allow new housing in their area. They'll use some of the age old tactics they used to stop high speed rail against you. Also it seems like you start off with tremendous legal exposure, one mishap and y'all could be finito. Nevertheless keep up the great work!
Batteries are not only bad for the environment but it fucks the environment plus we don't even have enough metals to build batteries for the global demand sorry for being realistic.
I'm guessin someone already considered combining vacuum ship concepts to create a lower noise profile, but got stuck because of FAA licensing? I've watched someone from TED Talk create a molecular material that can withstand extreme forces that's also lightweight and cheap -- great material for a helium-less airship.
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
@@ArcherAviation thank you for your answer. For sure I understand your point of view and especially the innovative side of it. Mass transit is pretty much the singular solution since we already how to build it, maintain it, expend it. The concentration of peoples living in urban area is higher and higher and so mass transit is the solution for these areas. Solution like you propose seems to fit less urbanized environment or urbanized environment with the adequate infrastructure. Mass transit solution are sadly not attractive to VC and so individual solution that create great engineering feat you did are done, however I’m still skeptical about the scaling. I’ll watch the growth of such solutions with great interest. Wishing you the best for the future 😊
It's cool but the problem with these are the number of passengers.We are seeing bottlenecks for cars because they're not effective in transporting large number of people: it takes up too much space, and the costs of maintaining highways are very high - Those ports might possibly have cheaper maintaining costs than roads but they still needs a lot of space depending on their target population.I see this as a better way of transportation for medical emergencies, firefighters, some businesses, etc and public transportation like trains, trams and busses for large populations unless they want to increase the max capacity of their machines and basically replace airplanes.
Great video and it’s amazing to see the design and technology come together to change how human beings move around! I’m looking forward to seeing what happens in 2023 as companies prepare for the future.
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Public transportation is great and key to the future of cities too. We’ve done a number of videos on awesome people helping cities invest in those solutions (will include links a the end of the comment) and absolutely no shade intended towards it! It doesn't have to be an either/or. This technology is in its infancy, and time will tell how it evolves: what problems it is able to solve for people, what problems it encounters, and ultimately how it fits into the overall transportation system. Hopefully the more great options we have to address our different transportation needs and problems, the better we can ultimately make transportation run for everyone. Some more of our videos on urban transporation: We’re using our streets all wrong: ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity: ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City? ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
You can learn more about our powertrain development with this detailed presentation our powertrain team leads recently gave on the topic: ruclips.net/video/uCY9tHwYUBs/видео.html
Just because it's electric doesn't make it green, the energy cost per flight i would guess is SO much higher than a train or a bus. I really can't see this being a long term thing, even if they do get to market. It might replace helicopters?
It's just going to get clogged up by traffic just like the roads, the only way to fix this is to replace cars with mass public transport. that and developing underground subways that go straight to popular destinations.
In the big picture the challenge would not be having flying taxis but would be air traffic control for these *taxis* there must be a better alternative
Archer are probably the most realistic in their aircraft specifications in terms of the all important big 3, payload range speed, for the main UAM mission since 1953, airport airshuttles. Their business model is somewhat flawed and nothing new - helicopters have been flying between Manhattan and JFK, then known as Idelwild Airport, since 1953, and Blade do it today for $200 one way in 5 minutes, including the high landing fees, while by subway then airtrain its under $11 while a taxi is $74.25 plus a $5 rush hour surcharge and Uber ranges from $75 to $124. Its is important to note that airtaxis and airshuttles, like trains and buses, are midmile so you still need to factor in taxi or uber fares for the first and last mile. The target market is business travellers not the general public and when Continental Airlines; part of United since 2010, offered $49 and even free Newark Manhattan flights to business class pax between 2006 and 2009, most chose to take a longer limo ride. Given that Airbus produses between a 120 fo 150 H125/H130, the current leading airtaxi/shuttle, per year and leasing GA aircraft maker, Currus produces around 500 composite airrcaft a year, Archer's production targets are BHAGs of note.
So, we can;t fly our small drones (about 500gr) because there is a risk for it to fall on someone and injury them. But you think having dozens or hundreds of these flying above city will be nothing but the mess?
What this is if you look beyond all the tech buzzwords is a company specializing in giving the ultra rich who already use private long and medium distance flight(to terribel enviromental effect) a way to do so in a low distance low altitude manner. Believe it or not, the legal limitations on flight paths were installed for enviromental and safety reasons, not because (as someone said in the comments) "there are too many Karens out there"
All that technology, money, and danger (a crash in a plane is likely to be fatal) to travel 20 miles. What a joke.! I think there are a lot of more worthy things to design and cover
We´ll see. All in all I doubt this will ever be more that rich folks plaything. Something to shed over-earnings in a status-raising way. Truly revolutionary gains in efficiency lie in mass transit, not in a few individuals flying instead of rolling, while wasting a bunch of resources to save them a few minutes.
at this point this is just an oversized drone with some payload and few minutes of flight time. Good luck developing batteries that can acheive hours of flight time, every time and do it again and again ........and then reducing the cost of battery replacement
Better to have large high speed train network....chinese have mastered it...USA could make f22 raptors 30 years back when nobody... can easily make a HSR rail network provided they prioritoze it....
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
@@ArcherAviation I concur that there are multiple approaches to addressing congestion issues, but rail transportation remains the most efficient and cost-effective option for moving large groups of people. The introduction of cars in the past resulted in cities dismantling urban infrastructure to build highways. Therefore, before implementing new technologies such as EVTOLs, it is crucial to work with city planners to ensure that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks and not just benefit investors spending billions but everyone in society.
Bingo.. its already been proven also.. bhy chinese ehang which is now on nasdaq... they lost the argument already and wont reply to me recorrecting as per usual...
What’s up Freethink fam! I’m Mike Wood, the director and host of this video. Thanks so much for watching. We know a lot of you are interested in stories about sustainable rail and mass transit. And we are too! Please stay tuned as we actually have some in the works. We’re fully aware that electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles can provide an alternative to more polluting forms of urban transportation but, alone, certainly will not solve climate change or the transportation issues cities face. We totally get it. Please be on the lookout for some upcoming videos and articles that cover some interesting sustainable mass transit solutions. See you on the next one!
Yes, please cover topics for realistic, sustainable mass transit for all social classes. We need those videos :)
We couldn't agree more with you, Mike. We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion and sustainable transportation. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
We can't wait to see the projects you're working on next and we appreciate the Freethink community's thoughtful dialogue and healthy skepticism here - both of which are important ingredients for safe, reliable progress in the transportation sector.
@@o-o_pingu We certainly have more in the works, but if you'd like to watch some of the ones we've already done--
We’re using our streets all wrong:
ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html
The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity:
ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html
Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City?
ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
@@freethink have watched these, they were great :D
Now I crave new content :3
Hi Mike! What relationship does Freethink media share with ArcherAviation?
Were Freethink paid to make this video, do the two companies share investors, or another professional relationship?
Here's a free revolutionary idea for you : More bus and trams less cars. It's free. (Don't get me wrong it does look fun and futuristic but... You know >_> )
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Elon is right. we need more underground transport tunnels.
Agree to desagree, transportation of the future is mass and fast.... individual solutions will only bring new problems
*disagree
@@cob571 sry im not a native speaker
It is.. i proved it also is a rescue and fire prevention tool...
Well this is America. Im sure china, where solutions are solved by the state instead of individual companies have their own problems.
@@wovasteengova i guess thats one of the reasons why china will surpass usa
Ifind it funny that Americans prefer these complex types of transportation to solve their problem when a much simpler solution is just having better public transportation. Seriously a bus is not only cheaper and alot more reliable than a FLYING CAR.
Buses suck in the US and distance does matter.
Not to mention that public transportation is better for the environment.
ehang is chinese... doing it better
You super naive child... ha
@@Xob_Driesestig Naive.
eVTOLS might look futuristic and nice, but they have many problems that cant be solved that easily. 1) inefficient, 2) very low capacity, 3) low frequency of pick-up, because of take-off and landing, 4) they need vertiports, 5) what if a passenger throws up, 6) safety / terrorism - Its easy to bring them down, crashing. And if you want to solve that with airport security, then they loose their point of being fast-pace, comfortable use, citizen-near transportation. If you want to solve this with designated sky-roads that dont have important infrastructure underneath, than you loose your 3rd dimension in a way, and also, now you have "roads" again, which directly imply traffic jams, at least at the landing zones. Why wouldn't a city just invest in biking, bus, tram, underground, train, ... infrastructure? That would be cheaper and benefit every social class. Please comment if you have constructive ideas to solving these issues. Would appreciate it.
1) Efficiency is not only a measure of energy, it's a measure of value. So if you can save someone 80% of the time their trip would take through traditional transit, for a reasonable cost, and with that extra time they are able to be more productive ... then that is also efficiency. 2) Do you mean low capacity as in only 4 passengers or 1000lb payload? Again, if it can do a 10 mile trip out of the city in what would take an hour by car, then it can do that trip maybe 3-4 times in that hour. Still not the capacity of a bus, but certainly better than an uber, and if renewable energy is used for the batteries, then also less environmentally damaging. 3) This is certainly an issue, but could actually be solved in areas that have a little more space. Lets say that there's a vertiport on top of a building. Yes, only one eVTOL at a time could land there for pickup/drop off, but in an area with slightly more room, lets say an airport, or an area slightly less dense than the center of Manhattan, you could have a landing area, and the eVTOL could taxi forward to a pickup area to offload/load and then take off from the front of that queue. A small airport if you will, but you don't need actual runway space. 4) Vertiports. Yes. No way around that until we have eVTOL cars that don't suck. 5) There needs to be a representative in any loading/offloading area for safety, maybe someone to clean up the yak also. 6) This isn't as concerning to me. 4 people is a small target. Why not just go after taxis instead.
Thanks for putting the questions forward. This was a fun exercise in thought, and I just played devil's advocate. You certainly make some good points.
@@vistasuprema To make any measureable reduction in traffic congestion will require thousands of access places (V ports or whatever) and non dependence on either runways or uber pick up and delivery for each flight (that is six vehicles for each 'commute' -return journey ) --the 'mini airline' hub and spoke 'network' with seperate taxi/uber connections is inherently clumsy and has the same drawbacks as the existing airline system --this is not the long sought personal flying vehicle . VTOL is stuck with the need to come to a stop in mid air before touching down and starting from a stationary hover on take off - this is inherently slow and a high skill/high risk phase and adds to the total delay caused by having to arrange for uber pick up from the origin (your house,business etc ) and drop off at ground level at the 'neraby' vertiport, unloading baggage, taking an escalator to the rooftop pad, reloading and slowly rising and converting to level flight - reversing all that at the other end. This is hardly 'seamless' as sometimes described -- such an operation IS possible using roadable vehicles and ATOL (Assisted take off and landing) using NO onboard power --like launching a kite or a glider winch -silent also ; the most noise is produced by requiring brute force vertical take off and carrying the oversize batteries and propellers that VTOL needs . The aborted Uber Elevate 'summits' exposed the hidden costs of eVTOL quite well including the immense cost of the demanded infrastructure --worth revisting . The unsatisfied appetite for faster urban/suburban /wherever mobility will not be solved by such expensive and too limited devices as eVTOLS -of any kind but by reviving the 'want' they may assist in introducing an economical/ecological alternative in ATOL.
@@vistasuprema Hats off for the constructive comment!
@o-o we replied to your earlier comment, but just in case anyone didn't see it :) - Public transit, bikes, etc are great and key to the future of cities too. We’ve done a number of videos on awesome people helping cities invest in those solutions (will include links a the end of the comment) and absolutely no shade intended!
Will just add to Jason’s responses that there’s probably a difference between a government investing in a technology and simply allowing one that other people have developed. This technology is in its infancy, and time will tell how it evolves: what problems it is able to solve for people, what problems it encounters, and ultimately how it fits into the overall transportation system. Hopefully the more great options we have to address our different transportation needs and problems, the better we can ultimately make transportation run for everyone.
Some more of our videos on urban transporation:
We’re using our streets all wrong:
ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html
The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity:
ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html
Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City?
ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
the 'strike outs' are unintentional - computer glitch, sorry.
Okay… Call me crazy, BUT! trains are the future of urban transportation. I just want trains…
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Creating new rail lines is expensive. Also, when a train line goes down, that's hundreds or thousands of people that now have to find another way to get from a to b.
@@ArcherAviation thanks for the response. I do think these are very cool. I just worry about shiny object syndrome when we have so many good, existing solutions. Please keep doing what you’re doing, though! I appreciate that you’re working on a solution - even if it isn’t my favourite 😉 😂
Nothing paints a picture of the future more than the visual of this aircraft flying... with the Californian forest fire 🔥 in the background.
sound will probably be horrendous. even on small drones they are horrendously loud. the rotor speed is proportional to lift so I'm curiously what the carrying capacity of the craft will be compared to a traditional helicopter. The only way they will be able to reduce rotor speed is if the craft is extremely light.
they should really probably combine this idea with DJI's low-noise propellers that are slightly bent inwards
I saw a video that did some comparisons. Might be helpful! ruclips.net/video/0bTOdASL6J8/видео.html
Here's the Joby compared to the other aircraft: ruclips.net/video/0bTOdASL6J8/видео.html
@@mikelahood9600 I saw this last year. The "waterfall" sound of their eVTOL can still be heard, but not annoying, probably in cities. Not exactly sure about how their sound will fair over farms and meditation camps.
@@clusterstage Totally. Definitely will be heard from more remote areas but I also think they'll be less popular in those areas as this type of travel is geared towards urban air mobility.
I love innovations that are green. We need to look in this direction for all vehicles.
Now imagine the new types of accidents and traffic this could create. So many more air travel laws too.
We will operate as an aerial ridesharing service and our aircraft will be flown by professional pilots just like any other commercial airline. In addition to that, we're working closely with the FAA on certification which you can learn more about here if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/yQXLMjbBHU8/видео.html
I wonder how different weather conditions will affect how rapidly you can take off, and what that might do to your bottom line
This isn't urban mobility for everyone... this is urban mobility for oligarghs so they don't have to mix with the everyday "riff raff". With lithium-ion batteries catching fire so often, better on the ground than up in the air. And if this thing falls out of the sky onto some-one's house or school or hospital or community centre, who pays?
PROPER urban mobility
- affordable efficient & effective public transport, whatever is most suitable - buses, trams, metro trains, underground metro - with dedicated lanes
- alternative dedicated mobility infrastructure such as bikes, e-bikes, e-scooters ride-share
- walkable cities, especially when the weather is good
- compact 15-minute cities so everything we need is close by... we can walk or bike or skate or...
- and YES, people CAN still drive if they want to (excellent urban mobility service options is good for drivers too)
Freethink - I expected better from you.
A Tesla takes about 10x as much water to be extinguished compared to a normal car + it needs to be submerged into a waterbath for an additional 24h or so, to stop it from reigniting. I just love to imagine how one of these would have to be taken care of...
We love all of those proper urban mobility solutions and have done videos on many of them (as you may have seen)--no shade is intended towards them, they certainly are important parts of the future of cities and hats off to the people who are continuing to develop and expand their implementation around the world.
With respect to urban flight: Helicopters already exist, so the oligarchs are probably already taken care of :). On the other hand, there are lots of regular people who take cabs and uber every day, and this is intended to be price competitive with them. So it could potentially benefit a larger group of people who currently use private vehicles while taking cars off the road.
Safety questions are of course important to answer and evaluate with every form of transportation, from planes to cars. Hopefully this is examined thoroughly by the FAA before it is approved, and ends up being safe relative to the alternatives; time will tell.
It will be interesting to see how cities react to this technology. Time will tell how it evolves: its benefits, the inevitable issues that will arise and how they are able to be addressed, the cost at scale. Hopefully the greater the breadth of solutions available the better our integrated transportation systems will ultimately end up being.
@@freethink it's great that aircraft are going electric - it's an awesome advancement. Hopefully a safer battery, i.e. not lithium-ion, will become available soon reducing the risk of overheating & fire etc. I see this type of tech excellent for getting personnel to destinatiions quickly, for example disaster management, emergency situations, transporting medical teams, police operations etc.
But as an "urban mobility solution" in cities that have millions of residents? Cities couldn't handle hundreds of e-scooters; I'm skeptical about hundreds of "hellitaxis"?! Having said that, some cities are making some very dubious urban mobility decisions, pampering to the whims of oligarchs and neglecting the needs of just about everybody else. What would the impact be on urban wildlife, such as migrating birds & insects etc?
Two international agreements apply re sustainable urban development, including transport
- 2030 Agenga on Sustainable Development
-- Habitat III
Have you spoken to the FAA about how they plan to regulate & manage hundreds / thousands of "hellitaxis". BTW, how much noise do they make - individually, in groups, in their hundreds (heard of noise-induced hearing loss & other health impacts of noise pollution?).
Also, will cities residents have to give up green spaces, parks or space for (affordable) housing to accommodate "hellitaxi ranks"? Would these "hellitaxi ranks" be public or exclusive private spaces for clients only?
Developing compact, inclusive, sustainable, integrated, green, safe & climate-ready cities is a complex challenge that will require a myriad of non, low & high tech solutions and will need to accommodate non-human residents & ALL humans ones. I certainly hope cities managers & developers make decisions that benefits ALL citizens, and not merely the privileged few ones...
Re e-scooters: great urban mobility options, but streets got overwhelmed & existing road infrastructure could not accommodate them so cities simply banned them. Pity. I think with some innovative planning, appropriate road infrastructure & some safety rules, e-mobility IS a great urban mobility solution option.
Re "hellitaxis": hopefully a niche mobility option that will assist cities become safer & assist provide essential services to ALL residents, not just the few "fancy" ones...
@@nonsensicalnonsense1035 I believe emergency services now simply allow the car to burn out safely rather than trying to put the fire out, or is this an urban myth? Hopefully a new type of battery will become available soon - lots of researchers are working on the challenge & there are advancements every day! I recently saw a report on the growing incidence of battery fires, and I'm wondering if climate plays a role here. Lithium-ion may be okay for places with cooler climates, but not suitable for places in hot climates. For example, some cities in India & China have temps around 50 C during heatwaves that can last weeks / months.
Its great that aircraft are going electric. Such aircraft will be excellent for medical personnel, emergency & disaster personnel, urban search & rescue, police & security personnel etc. I do object to them being called "urban mobility solutions", especially in cities with millions of residents.
This video is absolutely stunning! Wow. One of the best channels on RUclips, easily.
Thank you so much!
That intro was on point
It's super cool for the 1 day a week the weather is flyable 🥴
80$ per seat? Man... Ryan air gets you from Frankfurt to London for 15$... this needs to be way more affordable, because i don't know who would spend 1/4 of their flight cost on getting to the airport
A cab/Uber ride from Manhattan to Newark International or JFK can easily be upwards of $100 and take well over an hour to drive. We can fly it in ~10min. There are millions of these kinds of trips that occur every day in the U.S. and beyond which can be replaced by flights in our aircraft to save people time and help take cars off the road.
@@ArcherAviation How many flights would you need per day to transfer all persons who would like to use this tech?
Compared to a cab, how much more does it consumes the energy? Or how much the eVTOL vehicle costs (compared to typical cab/uber)?
Wouldn't that play on a price?
You have around 80k pax going to airport and about the same arriving daily. I would prefer 10min flight over 1 hour in traffic jam. So would most of the people. How you deal with demand?
I am not trying to be negative, but these are valid questions that needed to be probably simulated.
Can't wait for my first flight.
Thank you so much for sharing.
"Dont call it a helicopter so we can pretend we are a tech company and get valued 3x higher"
It is not a helicopter.
You do not pay attention do you..
Exactly, it's way worse than a helicopter
Great video, excited about the future. One question I have is when it does happen. What's our sky going to look like? will it be flooded with these drone-like planes?
Build a metro line or even high speed rail between where these "vertiports" should be. Boom, problem solved, and you don't have to reinvent public transport to do it
Basically, this is electric version of helicopter. The helicopter is very used by the rich in the Brazil.
The crucial topic of batteries was quickly glossed over. How long do these things need for a full charge？What's the batteries' lifespan?
Completely missing from the video: energy consumption. I want to see a comparison of time and total energy consumption (assume electericity generated by oil or gas, because that is currently the case, especially in the US) for a 30 km journey from location X to Y, by plane, subway, and car, per person. Forget energy use in construction to not make it too complicated. Also, assume all modes of transport available at X and Y
This is very cool, but i doubt the community buy in part will happen easily or anytime soon. Most of these places don't even allow new housing in their area. They'll use some of the age old tactics they used to stop high speed rail against you. Also it seems like you start off with tremendous legal exposure, one mishap and y'all could be finito. Nevertheless keep up the great work!
We should be looking for ways to use less energy while traveling. Like public transport and bikes.
Batteries are not only bad for the environment but it fucks the environment plus we don't even have enough metals to build batteries for the global demand sorry for being realistic.
How does this only have 30k views? Algorithm, do that thing you do.
Well done. Really enjoyable informative video. Hope I am around to see it happen.
Nice ending of the presentation & the present.
"Prototypes are easy, production is hard"
I'm curious, what altitude will these be flying at?
Our aircraft fly at a cruising altitude of around 2,000 ft.
Can't wait til Adam Something busts this.
I'm guessin someone already considered combining vacuum ship concepts to create a lower noise profile, but got stuck because of FAA licensing? I've watched someone from TED Talk create a molecular material that can withstand extreme forces that's also lightweight and cheap -- great material for a helium-less airship.
Undisclosed location: Proceeds to show all of the background landmarks possible
Better public transportation infrastructure 404
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
@@ArcherAviation thank you for your answer.
For sure I understand your point of view and especially the innovative side of it.
Mass transit is pretty much the singular solution since we already how to build it, maintain it, expend it.
The concentration of peoples living in urban area is higher and higher and so mass transit is the solution for these areas.
Solution like you propose seems to fit less urbanized environment or urbanized environment with the adequate infrastructure.
Mass transit solution are sadly not attractive to VC and so individual solution that create great engineering feat you did are done, however I’m still skeptical about the scaling.
I’ll watch the growth of such solutions with great interest.
Wishing you the best for the future 😊
Great video, very well made
They will need thousands of pilots
"This trip cost the same as a cab fair" LOL.
Batteries will wear down. Is this really even beneficial if it is so intensive on batteries?
It's cool but the problem with these are the number of passengers.We are seeing bottlenecks for cars because they're not effective in transporting large number of people: it takes up too much space, and the costs of maintaining highways are very high - Those ports might possibly have cheaper maintaining costs than roads but they still needs a lot of space depending on their target population.I see this as a better way of transportation for medical emergencies, firefighters, some businesses, etc and public transportation like trains, trams and busses for large populations unless they want to increase the max capacity of their machines and basically replace airplanes.
Great video and it’s amazing to see the design and technology come together to change how human beings move around!
I’m looking forward to seeing what happens in 2023 as companies prepare for the future.
Nice animations
Thanks!
How about.... Regular public transport...fcking hell come on
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
Public transportation is great and key to the future of cities too. We’ve done a number of videos on awesome people helping cities invest in those solutions (will include links a the end of the comment) and absolutely no shade intended towards it!
It doesn't have to be an either/or. This technology is in its infancy, and time will tell how it evolves: what problems it is able to solve for people, what problems it encounters, and ultimately how it fits into the overall transportation system. Hopefully the more great options we have to address our different transportation needs and problems, the better we can ultimately make transportation run for everyone.
Some more of our videos on urban transporation:
We’re using our streets all wrong:
ruclips.net/video/hK7agOPye6M/видео.html
The Future of Cities Starts with Transportation Equity:
ruclips.net/video/soJOTIkSl_U/видео.html
Is Copenhagen the World’s Most Sustainable City?
ruclips.net/video/pUbHGI-kHsU/видео.html
Lithium powered VTOL 💀
It works. Proven
You can learn more about our powertrain development with this detailed presentation our powertrain team leads recently gave on the topic: ruclips.net/video/uCY9tHwYUBs/видео.html
It’d be extremely difficult for drones, VTOL, etc. to be commonly accepted in urban environments, until the noise problem is solved.
Just because it's electric doesn't make it green, the energy cost per flight i would guess is SO much higher than a train or a bus. I really can't see this being a long term thing, even if they do get to market. It might replace helicopters?
Archer’s vehicles are cool but they are way way too pricey to work as is business wise.
Good luck!
It's just going to get clogged up by traffic just like the roads, the only way to fix this is to replace cars with mass public transport. that and developing underground subways that go straight to popular destinations.
Is it possible to move goods not only human using UAM one day ?
In the big picture the challenge would not be having flying taxis but would be air traffic control for these *taxis* there must be a better alternative
Archer are probably the most realistic in their aircraft specifications in terms of the all important big 3, payload range speed, for the main UAM mission since 1953, airport airshuttles.
Their business model is somewhat flawed and nothing new - helicopters have been flying between Manhattan and JFK, then known as Idelwild Airport, since 1953, and Blade do it today for $200 one way in 5 minutes, including the high landing fees, while by subway then airtrain its under $11 while a taxi is $74.25 plus a $5 rush hour surcharge and Uber ranges from $75 to $124. Its is important to note that airtaxis and airshuttles, like trains and buses, are midmile so you still need to factor in taxi or uber fares for the first and last mile. The target market is business travellers not the general public and when Continental Airlines; part of United since 2010, offered $49 and even free Newark Manhattan flights to business class pax between 2006 and 2009, most chose to take a longer limo ride.
Given that Airbus produses between a 120 fo 150 H125/H130, the current leading airtaxi/shuttle, per year and leasing GA aircraft maker, Currus produces around 500 composite airrcaft a year, Archer's production targets are BHAGs of note.
Why fly over when you can dig tunnels under, we have a lot of space underground too, utilize both the sky and the subterranean.
what are things we can do to invest in things such as this like maybe stocks for these battrys anyone know any?
$ACHR
Everybody talks about sustainability. If it comes to implementation, these are the customised solutions?????
So, we can;t fly our small drones (about 500gr) because there is a risk for it to fall on someone and injury them.
But you think having dozens or hundreds of these flying above city will be nothing but the mess?
Flying taxis in cities? Sounds like a disaster.
That’s cool but accidents happens a lot.
What this is if you look beyond all the tech buzzwords is a company specializing in giving the ultra rich who already use private long and medium distance flight(to terribel enviromental effect) a way to do so in a low distance low altitude manner. Believe it or not, the legal limitations on flight paths were installed for enviromental and safety reasons, not because (as someone said in the comments) "there are too many Karens out there"
looks like Vertibird from fallout come to life
Very cool
$80 for 20 miles, I wonder how fast the ride is.
Cheaper than an Uber from Manhattan to JFK. Totally reasonable price for lots of people.
Use a toroidal propeller to make it more efficient!!!!
Look out above!
So cool.
This is also a rescue and fire tool
eHang is farther ahead but Archer has a better team... for sure the future, proven by ehang already.
These kids in the replies do not know tech like I do... for sure
All that technology, money, and danger (a crash in a plane is likely to be fatal) to travel 20 miles. What a joke.! I think there are a lot of more worthy things to design and cover
We´ll see.
All in all I doubt this will ever be more that rich folks plaything.
Something to shed over-earnings in a status-raising way.
Truly revolutionary gains in efficiency lie in mass transit, not in a few individuals flying instead of rolling, while wasting a bunch of resources to save them a few minutes.
at this point this is just an oversized drone with some payload and few minutes of flight time. Good luck developing batteries that can acheive hours of flight time, every time and do it again and again ........and then reducing the cost of battery replacement
It's just a electric helicopter
great.
Undisclosed location which can be easily geolocated lol.
Make a video on quantum generator patent..
Better to have large high speed train network....chinese have mastered it...USA could make f22 raptors 30 years back when nobody... can easily make a HSR rail network provided they prioritoze it....
America will do everything but trains
We’re big fans of mass transit and believe there isn’t a singular solution to the problems cities face around urban congestion. As with most large and complex issues, we believe it will require a collection of many innovative approaches applied together to solve the problem - eVTOL aircraft being one of them.
@@ArcherAviation I concur that there are multiple approaches to addressing congestion issues, but rail transportation remains the most efficient and cost-effective option for moving large groups of people. The introduction of cars in the past resulted in cities dismantling urban infrastructure to build highways. Therefore, before implementing new technologies such as EVTOLs, it is crucial to work with city planners to ensure that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks and not just benefit investors spending billions but everyone in society.
mrt sound more realistic than this video ads
joby win?
Let’s go
Why do you need this? You already get helicopters. Just fuel it with synthetic zero carbon fuel should you concerned about the environment. 😅
work on the landing
nice commercial
Gotta start following Archer now. Great video. By Freethink. Animations at 7:55 etc.💖
And cool
Why not use a helicopter?
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BS
Joby >>>> Archer
Can't wait! .... But as usual the doubters will delay great movements forward
Bingo.. its already been proven also.. bhy chinese ehang which is now on nasdaq... they lost the argument already and wont reply to me recorrecting as per usual...
ehang literally already proved it
Why does this host nod his head like he's not comprehending anything and is just trying to look interested.
Borg
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r/gadetbahn
Very cool technology. But judging by the comments there are too many Karen's running around to make it a reality.
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