I think the community doesn't value availability that highly unless their ability is extremely good, which is why units like Tibarn are A tier. Also, Naesala is so much lower than the other royal Laguz units because of competition. Picking Naesala makes you loose out on using Giffca or Tibarn, making him much worse. Thus, Naesala is an F tier unit because he is worse than Tibarn and picking him means losing out on using Tibarn. I don't fully agree with this reasoning, but it's why I think Naesala was dumped at the bottom of the list.
I personally think that availability is slightly overrated in FE by many FETubers, but even then, being really good halfway through 1 chapter is more reasonably a C tier with an asterisk that he is good while present.
I think the lack of an F-tier really impacted the rankings on the FE6 tier list, especially with Wendy and Sophia being widely infamous F-tier units. So you see units like Ogier or Geese and be like "yeah they suck, but do they deserve to be in the same tier as Sophia and Wendy?" So then they get pity-voted up a tier.
I think the community opinion is often heavily skewed towards lategame performance and last impressions. In lategame Ike becomes a beast with Ragnell and Soren's huge magic makes up for bad tome might, so the community remembers them being really strong. Also, when it comes to FE9's growth units the community seems to value how difficult it is to train someone rather than if it is worth it. It is pretty easy to train Nephenee with a forge and some bexp but that doesn't mean training her is worth it when Oscar and Jill can do the same thing with more move.
I'd argue that even sorens lategame performance is bad. Yes, he has the second highest magic in the cast (right behind Rhys) but his move and bulk are still awful, and his magic only partially makes up for low tome might...he still isnt one rounding anything without a critical hit/adept (due to high enemy bulk) whereas the physical units can one round some classes of enemies. The fact even generals have good res is so sad.
@@chaosflash912 I mean he's the best of three bad units though...does Bors deserve A for being the best fe6 armor? And his CHIN ... Wait never mind he does You're right 💕💕💕
I think his personality in radiant dawn, how he performs there, plus his design definitely bleed over in opinions when it comes to fe9. Imo. Like he's such a cool character it makes me want to place him high.
@@DaniDoyle Bors is bad because he's useless, Tibarn is bad because you only get him for one map. He's pretty useful in that map. I feel like there's a pretty big difference there.
@Xane875 he's around for one enemy (second Phase of the final boss), and only spawns after you already proved you can kill that enemy without him. His stats do not matter, since it is a kill boss map and he does not show up until you have already killed the boss once. I was meaming about the armor nights but bores is unironically better than tibarn by a significant amount.
I have to imagine at least some people transmuted their feelings about FE10 Tibarn to FE9 because I reactively clicked on A before remembering "hang on! this is Path of Radiance" and revising
Tibarn being A tier makes sense, he has no opportunity cost so even if he doesn't do much you don't pay anything for him and that also explains the other placements these three characters aren't ranked comparatively to the rest of the cast because they don't share any ressource (be it xp or weapons) they are ranked against each other because choosing one locks you out of the others. I see it the same way as I'd evaluate a card like warcry+ in slay the spire, a card that draws 2 and then puts 1 on top of your deck for 0 energy. Realistically, barring any synergy you're just shuffling your hand a bit and it slightly helps with consistency but in most games it being in your deck or not has no meaningful impact on the end result of you winning or losing the run. But I'm still going to pick it most time I see it much more than a lot of otherwise more impactful cards because it's pretty much always better than just skipping which is an otherwise rather powerful option. I will never spend ressources on it or favor it over a card I actually want but if I'm offered it and would otherwise not add any card to my deck I'll add it and as a result I see it as a rather powerful card despite it's negligible impact. Analogy might not have made sense if you don't play slay the spire but point is, if I'm offered something for free it has to be at least above average in my opinion. Maybe not A tier, I feel like B tier is more appropriate for "no cost low contribution"
I can only imagine Tibarn got a few early high votes because people like him, and then some people saw a Tibarn poll with high ratings, and just absentmindedly assumed it was an RD list and clicked A. Cabbage is versatile and all, but lately I've realised how much of an underappreciated veggie artichokes are, shit's delicious
@soapsatellite That's an absurdly long question to answer in full. Tht being said, it'd be a list with far more B and A tiers and next to no S tiers imho, veggies are typically the supporting cast and not the main carries. Still, tomato could have a shot at being the king if the texture mishmash of a non-cooked tomato wasn't a senspry nightmare in like three different ways, so maybe potato would be the sole S tier, even if they're kind of a professional playing in the kids league (their real rivals in bread, pasta, noodles and rice are disqualified from the veggie cup). Chili is the candidate with most variance between everyone's personal lists. Spinach is the black horse that gets higher placement than most expect. Avocado F if we're including fruit, Guacamole isn't enough to save your mushy ass. Ok that's enough
@DaniDoyle I think she's lower. C tier and bordering D tier. Her stats are not good, her class is bad, and she needs a lot of levels in order to get out of it. Zelkov has better stats (and probably a higher level). And even if you want to do a Corrin strat, for some reason, the Thief class is not exclusive to Yunaka!! And even *then*, you can do better enemy phase strats that don't involve gambling with low hit% rates. Notably, VanWrath with Leif and Bonded Shield.
I think Hard mode skews her rating significantly. The enemies will actually suicide into her on Hard, so she just snowballs, and even though it's a maddening poll, people will still vote based on what they played.
Actually it’s easier for the royals to get to Ashnard since he starts moving around turn 7 or 8, so he’s likely to be closer than you think… still not enough to really help out unless if Ike is REALLY scared of Ashnard.
I just realized, I don't think that anything regarding Occult Scrolls was really brought up regarding tiers. Granted the only ones really worth it are Aether and Sol (and even then they're inconsistent since they're proc skills) and they probably wouldn't change the tiers much, but I just feel like bringing them up anyway.
26:26 👀 Ok. I'll comment some few things: There are a few enemies with multiple weapons to steal, mainly steel plus 1-2 range but valuable enough. At first I thought the Tiers were ordered and found Elincia fine where she is, and so were most units. I didn't pay enough attention to the FE6 comparison but I'm glad you have it here as I was concerned about the time it took you for this video. Like, without it, you would have done another entire Poll Tier List before the video was out.
There are a few steels/javs to steal late game, but not many, and by the time there are some, You've got more than enough money to purchase them anyway. It's just not useful.
I think next time you gotta put more information on the polls, like how Mythril Zenith does it (puts base stats, growths, etc). I find it's harder to accurately tier a unit without the prerequisite info. Also lmao tibarn in A
@@crenando288 see I think most people don't read the giant block of text anyway so I'm not sure how much that would help... I feel like if someone can't remember the base stats and growth rates, they would just look them up on one of the multiple places they're available. Personally I think adding a giant text box for each character would make it less likely that people vote (or at the very least less likely that they read the criteria which is sometimes relevant like on my engage no DLC tier list). No hate to zenith obviously, He's doing his polls his own way and I'm doing mine my own way, but personally the reason I don't include unit data is to avoid overwhelming people.
@DaniDoyle all I'm saying is that most people are not gonna look up the bases/growths for a RUclips poll (source, I didn't), so with incomplete info it's just vibes. Either way, Soren in B tier is very funny
Yeah just like rating different kind of cabbages, rating FE units involves someone's own taste, their way to use them and some nostalgia. So my theory for the laguz rating is that not everyone used every single laguz. So lots of people used Tibarn (on lower difficulties) and remembered that he was successful in reaching Ashnard and dealing damage to him so they rated him high. Giffca deals damage but doesn't reach Ashnard and only few people used Nesala (because he is EVIL >:() so they just looked up his rating online. And just like seeing only bad rated savoy cabbage recipes they just accept this as truth. I guess the individuell ratings of them (especially Tibarn and Giffca) are biased a lot by their Radiant Dawn appearance. This probably also applies to Ike, Soren and maybe even Makalov (though in a negative way for him, I guess Astrid is spared because people actually use her since she isn't your fifth Cav and isn't a "bad" person).
I think part of the "everyone in C tier" phenomenon is just the law of averages. Enough people voting will pull votes closer to the mean, especially if you assume the average voter is 1 or 2 cabbages short of the stockpile of a Smart (TM) FETuber
I agree with the other comments about tibarn being put in A because he's the best of the royals (as if the characters in the tiers are in a vacuum), but I also remember when the poll was active, people joked how voters for A tier might've been thinking they were voting for radiant dawn tibarn or misremembering his fe9 performance bc of fe10, so I think that could be another important factor
Ike's promotion is a little worse than it seems on paper, due to the way Chapter 17 is structured, making it more like four maps in one. They're relatively smaller than average, sure, but that still means he effectively promotes at the end of Chapter 21, the same point as Roy (albeit without Gaiden Chapters slowing things down and more chapters to use it in, but still.)
I think part of this is straight up Challenge Maps. I don’t know how many people are playing them, I personally don’t. But if you were to add the challenge maps into this, there is defeintly more going on with the royals. Now don’t get me wrong the gap in teirs is still wild but it explains some of the general opinion more I think.
I wonder how much Ike's placement would change if he uniquely had a level 40 cap in his base class that would keep that level upon his promotion event. He'd be able to benefit a lot more from bexp dumps, but aside from not receiving promotion bonuses until then, the problem there would be his Tier 1 stat caps.
The endgame laguz aren’t good to begin with but Tibarn isn’t even the best of the three on hard mode. Beast laguz have more movement than bird laguz and the obstacles in the middle of the map can’t be flown over, so in addition to having better stats, Giffca will actually reach Ashnard faster than Tibarn (except on easy/normal where Ashnard doesn’t move from his starting position). That just makes it more confusing that he made it to A tier.
Alright, so explaining some of the discrepancies as a voter: Tibarn being in A is simple. The opportunity cost for Tibarn is Naesala and Giffca who he outperforms in pretty much every way. For that reason, he's always the best pick in that last chapter and is better at killing the boss than anyone else besudes a well trained Ike or skilled up dragon. Put another way, Tibarn has no downside given his availability. Meanwhile, both Giffca and Naesala have the downside of not being Tibarn and locking you out of Tibarn. Makalov in C is because, while he is certainly going to put in work because horse in FE9, he's the worst if the cavs imo. Sword locked is not great in PoR, and he joins later than most cavs meaning he didn't get the focus that units like Oscar, Titania, Astrid, or even Kieran can get. He's also an unlikeable sleezeball with an unfunny gimmick which, while not relevant for his performance, does make me not want to use him much. 13 is about the standard number of deployment slots, so between the two fliers, the dancer, the lord, the 4 better horse riders, and a healer you've only got 4 left. Am I really going to spend one of those slots on an unlikable character whose role is already fulfilled better by other characters? The next map after he joins is a desert map and therefore one of the few maps where cavs don't fare too well anyways. TLDR, opportunity cost, same reason for the discrepancy between the Laguz Royals. Ike is crazy post Chapter 17 and a liability from like chapters 11-17. He's fine enough early thanks the the royal sword and alright stats but that middle section hurts. I personally put him in C tier but I can see the argument for B since the chapters when he struggles aren't too bad and he, again, has no real opportunity cost. Boyd is better than Ike until Ike gets Ragnell and available for just as long but costs a deployment spot later in the game. However, he contributes a lot early if you're not just Titania soloing (and even if you are on a few maps) and only really has that opportunity cost once Jill joins. I voted for B here. Is Callil really that good? Tbh, never really used her since I always gave Soren way too much favoritism so didn't vote on her. We all underrated Mist 100%, someone else can explain that one. I never use chest keys and so always use Volke to get items. He's B for me purely from utility, I horde my money and use it pretty much only for forges. Bad habit but still Haar is a flier with good stats and therefore only loses out on S (or A on the poll) because of availability and opportunity cost knocking him down. I still voted for him in A. Elincia is a flier with bad stats that joins late and therefore a C tier unit. Mia's a growth unit who grows into a filler unit at a time when viability slots are limited. I wouldn't put her in F, however, as I only put units who serve no purpose there (Lucia who is outclassed by Ike, Naesala and Giffca who aren't Tibarn, Sothe who isn't Volke, Danved, etc). How is Danved in C in both lists btw, what were we cooking? I think that covers most of the discrepancies
You say that you would only put people who are useless in F but then why is tibarn A? Six damage to one enemy that you've already proven you can kill without him is about as useless as you can get.
@DaniDoyle You're right and I should clarify. Tibarn is practically useless in that he contributes *almost* nothing but he also costs nothing. It's basically a really small contribution (6 damage) divided by an infintesimal cost (and this is why we shouldn't divide by 0 kids). The other units I'd place in F do have more use but are useless in the sense that their benefits are less than their costs if that makes sense. For example, Sothe is in F because he never can be deployed without taking away a deployment slot from someone else and he will always be worse than another unit. His only use case is if Volke dies and you really want a thief or you want 2 thieves for some reason. I hope that makes sense!
I also stand by that Ike is at least a B-tier unit in PoR and everybody who says he sucks has just gotten extremely stat screwed with him. Ike is ALWAYS one of my better combat units, especially earlygame. He takes a chapter or two to really get going but eventually he's doing extremely well. He's bulky enough to take a few hits, fast enough that he can dodge some of them, and strong enough that he's at least 2-rounding enemies most of the time. I really do not get why so many people say he's a bad lord.
I like Ike a lot more then his stats deserve, because I like killing the black knight via capping Ike’s stats. As a result, Ike ends up preforming as a B tier unit since I force myself to train him every time I play. As a result I end up rating him way higher than most due to this self restriction.
Also you can kill the Black knight basically 100% of the time with the weight mix in of capped stats, trained mist, the knight ring and Wrath + Adept. You only need one proc to kill the BK without mist dying, 0 skills required if you plan the fight and let mist die.
wrt the concept of not tiering units badly because every unit is "salvageable", I remember reading through an old FE7 gamefaqs guide for fun. And aside from the rankings being horrible (Marcus bad, lords good, etc) the one thing I noticed is that the lowest ranking was like 6/10, or maybe 5.5/10 for all units. Which... makes zero sense to me. Why have a scale that goes to 10 if you're only going to use less than half the available numbers. You might as well just subtract 5 from the score and have a 0-5 scale instead. Someone has to be the worst character and even if the game is easy enough that anyone can contribute effectively that unit should absolutely be in the lowest tier.
Actually, i think "school ranking" makes sense for ranking characters like this. 6/10 is the minimum grade to "pass" so it would signify "not even close to optimal but viable". Every character being at least 6/10 would signify the game is well balanced. What about the lower half? I'd argue there is a large differencw between something loke Amelia, wich is not really viabke whitout grinding but can be salvaged rather easily, and Lyre that would still be disappointing after herculean efforts.
you could reasonably use all 6 paladins in PoR even if mr. pink cabbage hair is only there for filler and rescue-dropping. probably better than me trying to copium with soren when he cant even make it to combat, let alone survive enemy phase. bolted the dragons in endgame though, that’s my one vindication
If I had to guess, I would say that some of the oddities in the FE9 tierings may come down to perceived redundancy and performance within a niche. Sothe is the absolute lowest ranked unit because he is inarguably worse than Volke, even though being a thief is not the worst thing to be. Makalov is the worst cavalier, therefore he must be ranked lower even though cavaliers overall are good. Similarly, Soren is the best mage and therefore must be ranked higher even though mages overall are bad. Under that frame of mind, it could be said that the extreme disparity of rankings between the laguz royals is a reflection of their perceived viability compared to one another, even if they all function at about the same level relative to the rest of the cast as a whole. Tibarn is inarguably the best royal, therefore he must be ranked higher even though the royals overall are terrible.
I can see the logic for tibarn/naesala. you will _never_ pick naesala when playing optimally because he's just worse tibarn, so he is effectively the most useless unit in the game as he will never be recruited.
I can't speak for everyone, but I generally rate lords a bit higher than I would a comparable non-lord - lords at their worst can be worse than the worst non-lord (lords can actively be a liability because they're mandatory and a loss condition), so they get points for minimal competence that I don't give everyone else. Also, because you can't drop the lord and they're guaranteed to be in the late game, I give them extra credit if their growths are decent, which Ike's are.
Man I really cannot wait for the video on Engage. The list has been a massive shitpost so far. Also as a side note my dad really loves cabbage but it doesnt agree with him anymore and thats pretty sad :/
I for sure voted for Tibarn in A tier. It was an impulse vote with bias from his performance in the sequel. I think most of my fellow “tibarn is A tier” voters forgot that he’s only really in the last map.
Regarding Volke and how many chests don't have worthwhile rewards, my understanding is that your argument was "just use chest keys, and only open the chests that matter", which assumes that the player knows which chests have valuable loot and which chests don't. To know that without opening every chest, you have to either have encyclopedic knowledge of the game, or play the game with a guide open - which, at least in my opinion, isn't fun. When I play, I don't know which specific chests are worth opening, so it's easier to just open everything. And using a thief for that instead of exclusively chest keys also makes inventory management less annoying.
Ike is another case of a question I've yet to find an answer to: is playing [Fire Emblem game] easier if you train and invest in [bad force-deployed lord], or is it easier if you refuse to train the lord? In general I feel like skilled players are more inclined to say keeping the lord out of combat is easier, while relatively unskilled players tend to say training the lord is easier. And I'm inclined to agree with the latter, because less skilled players are likely to have a better idea of what makes the game easy or hard than skilled players. It's like that classic tier list disclaimer: "we're ranking units as they perform on the highest difficulty, because anyone can do anything on the lower difficulties; its on the highest difficulty that differences between units become apparent." Being good at the game is like playing at a lower difficulty - you're less in touch with what units are actually helpful for beating the game because you're going to win no matter what. (using a standard like "minimizing Game Overs") (as opposed to beating it efficiently or some such). To circle back to the original question, there's a lot of nuance. Suppose it IS easier to beat the game by training Ike (rather than your BEXP strat) because anyone who can keep an untrained Ike out of danger at all times is likely winning without getting a Game Over no matter what. Hence, training Ike is a good idea for beating the game, because it will protect you and give you a buffer against mistakes if you're inclined to make them, and if you don't make mistakes you can train him just fine. Does that mean Ike is a better unit, because he's expected to be trained and thus have better performance? Or does that make him a worse unit, because this framework forces investment into him, which he should be penalized for? Is Geitz worse than Nino, where Geitz is a stand-in for a trained Ike!? help
Training Ike takes resources (exp) away from other more competent units, who help you to beat the game (not game over) much more easily than Ike does. Im general I hate the " efficiency' mindset because outside of LTC your turn count really doesn't matter... If you beat the map in 30 turns or beat the map in 5 turns, you still unlock the next chapter. So I don't see any advantage to winning in lower turns unless you are LTC (and I don't LTC).
@DaniDoyle But that's the thing. Having competent units is great and all, but not training Ike makes me more susceptible to Game Over (because I struggle keeping weak units alive) than not training, say, an objectively better unit like Kieran. Kieran makes your victories more decisive, but untrained Ikes makes defeats more likely.
That's just not true though. If anything training Ike makes you more likely to game over because you're going to be placing him in combat positions that he's just not suited for in order to train him (a trained Ike is still not particularly good at combat).
@@DaniDoyle I think you might be right. In theory training Ike makes things easier, but FE tends to be more difficult early on anyways. Still, I don't like the idea of leaving him behind to get jumpscared by reinforcements I didn't know were coming. This has absolutely happened to me - move the weak lord with your unit and they're dead if your formation breaks; leave them behind without a guard and they can be picked off by reinforcements; rescue them around and your down one good unit at any given time. But are reinforcements deadlier than an early-game training arc, when the only reason the early-game could Game Over you is if you were trying to train Ike instead of stomping everything with Titania? I guess I don't know whether you're right. If you're right, you're right because training a weak lord in the early game incurs a hefty risk of failure, so it's not worth it. If you're wrong, you're wrong because you're too familiar with the game, and don't get put in bad situations where an untrained lord is endangered. I apologize for being difficult to satisfy. I can't satisfyingly figure this out myself. Maybe I need to get off RUclips and back to Tellius.
I still cannot believe that Naesala is in F and Tibarn is in A. Naesala, Giffca, and Tibarn should all be C (at best) imo. They’re effectively the same. Giffca and Tibarn a stronger, yes, but the difference is not big enough for them to be in different tiers
@@DaniDoyle because they can be really helpful in that fight. He becomes a lot scarier in his 2nd phase, even though I’m pretty sure his stats don’t change. I also include normal difficulty in my calculations (although less than hard mode), because in this tier ranking you didn’t specify not to. And iirc, they come at the beginning on normal, meaning they can help for the whole map. So I say C, at best. I can understand the argument for lower, which is why I include the at best. But I did vote C for all three of them during the polls. It feels a bit high, but I remember my first time playing through the game, Naesala tearing up random enemies and being one of two units (I didn’t deploy Ena) who could actually damage the boss was so cool. So do they deserve C? Maybe. They certainly can’t be higher than that, and that’s where I’d rank them I think
@@Nalucha Ashnard is not scarier in his second phase. he gains 20 hp and no other stats or skills. If you killed him once (which you need to do to have tibarn join) you can kill him again. tibard doesn't even deal 20 damage, he deals 12, so his existance does not change the ability to kill ashnard phase 2.
@@DaniDoyle I did say his stats don’t change. But the extra 20 HP and the fact that he starts moving make him feel scarier, so the backup feels nice. And my point about normal difficulty still stands. The tier wasn’t why I commented though, the fact that they didn’t all end up in the same tier is why I commented. Which we can agree is ridiculous. No way that Tibarn and Naesala belong on opposite ends of the tier list
@@Nalucha what do you mean he "starts moving"? Ashnard moves on both phases, as soon as someone is in his attack range. The 20 HP is literally the only difference.
I love Jill, I think she's a great unit, definitely high-A or S tier. However. I stand by that she makes a HORRIBLE first impression. Her bases are nothing special, and the only reason she can even survive her join map SOMETIMES is because of her Laguzguard. Her speed is unimpressive and she joins with a weapon that weighs her down. If this chapter was trying to showcase how Jill can be a great unit...it's not doing a very good job. She gets much more use out of the next map, being able to fly around the three ships.
@DaniDoyle what??? Gosh Ok i am definitely gonna look further into that cause i had never anything of the sort. But wow, that's insane. He seems like a nice guy Sheesh...
@@DaniDoyle just found a beeeg reddit thread about that and oh my god, I didn't even get to read everything but what I read already feels me enough about him. I'm glad I paid attention to that thumbnail on your video, otherwise I wouldnt question and probably never heard about any of that. Thanks for "unintentionally" bringing that to my attention.
@dyegoeduardosantossilva3659 it's unfortunately a thing a lot of people don't know about (because many large FE people don't want to talk about it since he is popular) so don't feel bad about not knowing... ignorance isn't a crime :)
There being a whole tier between soren and ilyana is ridiculous. Theyre basically the same unit. Soren should have been c 30:00 fair and balanced? Oh you mean wrath and resolve
Disagree on the idea of not using Ike and then BEXP dumping him, because he is force deployed on every map I don't see a huge cost in having him murder some units here or there. I rarely have absolutely nothing for him to do in the early-mid game and I'd rather use bexp immediately than dump it on a unit I have deployed anyway. Oh and Cabbage
My point wasn't to never have him do anything, I too have him get kills when its convenient/helps me, since this saves on bxp. My point was more you don't gave to go out of your way to focus on training him, in the way you might Seliph for example, so he usually ends up behind the curve, as without being focused on as a training project/having kills set up for hom, he's not especially good.
@@DaniDoyle I see, that makes more sense. I thought in the video you were saying don't use him at all and I always try to find use for force deploys in FE even if they suck so I thought I'd say something about it.
I've worked it out Tibarn is so High Because people wanted to push up the Hawk to A tier. Don't believe me? then say the above sentence out loud, pronouncing the A the same way you pronounce the a in above.
15:00 Cries in Poland Ike [Poland Ike: A POR Ike noted for getting more magic than strength by levelling, as well as getting doubled by BK, while dealing (Shit) damage {I do Love my 11 str at level 20, after getting simped an energy drop.}]
Note, here, that I am a believer in Ena > Nasir, solely due to witnessing such Ikes. Nasir is like cake. Sure, it's nice, but you don't *need* it to survive. Ena, on the other hand, is more like Bread [or Cabbages], which is, for some people, their means of survival. I cannot with a good conscience say that I believe Cake to be more in want than Cabbage, and similarly cannot say the same for Nasir than Ena.
Again, winning and losing the BK fight is not dependent on Ike's stats. As I explained in the video, max STR/SPD Ike still needs quite a bit of luck to beat BK. The "you got Ena because you need her" line needs to stop, it has no basis in reality. You get Ena if you're unlucky in a single 5 turn fight.
We can all agree in one thing: RUclips is negative F tier for changing the polls
Is F Minus usually considered like a negative? I thought a negative F would make it the opposite of failing.
@runningoncylinders3829 I'm being hyperbolic y'all
We voted for Tibarn in A tier cause he's Sol Badguy he also gave me a cabbage that one time I got robbed in Atlanta so that was cool
I think the community doesn't value availability that highly unless their ability is extremely good, which is why units like Tibarn are A tier. Also, Naesala is so much lower than the other royal Laguz units because of competition. Picking Naesala makes you loose out on using Giffca or Tibarn, making him much worse. Thus, Naesala is an F tier unit because he is worse than Tibarn and picking him means losing out on using Tibarn. I don't fully agree with this reasoning, but it's why I think Naesala was dumped at the bottom of the list.
I personally think that availability is slightly overrated in FE by many FETubers, but even then, being really good halfway through 1 chapter is more reasonably a C tier with an asterisk that he is good while present.
C-tier moment is just a live discovery of Bell-curve moment, and I think that's beautiful.
I think the lack of an F-tier really impacted the rankings on the FE6 tier list, especially with Wendy and Sophia being widely infamous F-tier units. So you see units like Ogier or Geese and be like "yeah they suck, but do they deserve to be in the same tier as Sophia and Wendy?" So then they get pity-voted up a tier.
I saw Tibarn and the other cabbages in different tiers and thought it would be really funny, so I went with it.
I think the community opinion is often heavily skewed towards lategame performance and last impressions. In lategame Ike becomes a beast with Ragnell and Soren's huge magic makes up for bad tome might, so the community remembers them being really strong. Also, when it comes to FE9's growth units the community seems to value how difficult it is to train someone rather than if it is worth it. It is pretty easy to train Nephenee with a forge and some bexp but that doesn't mean training her is worth it when Oscar and Jill can do the same thing with more move.
I'd argue that even sorens lategame performance is bad. Yes, he has the second highest magic in the cast (right behind Rhys) but his move and bulk are still awful, and his magic only partially makes up for low tome might...he still isnt one rounding anything without a critical hit/adept (due to high enemy bulk) whereas the physical units can one round some classes of enemies. The fact even generals have good res is so sad.
Tibarn I guess was voted A-tier for being seen as the best of the Laguz royals.
And his design.
@@chaosflash912 I mean he's the best of three bad units though...does Bors deserve A for being the best fe6 armor? And his CHIN ... Wait never mind he does You're right 💕💕💕
I think his personality in radiant dawn, how he performs there, plus his design definitely bleed over in opinions when it comes to fe9. Imo. Like he's such a cool character it makes me want to place him high.
@@DaniDoyle Bors is bad because he's useless, Tibarn is bad because you only get him for one map. He's pretty useful in that map. I feel like there's a pretty big difference there.
@Xane875 he's around for one enemy (second Phase of the final boss), and only spawns after you already proved you can kill that enemy without him. His stats do not matter, since it is a kill boss map and he does not show up until you have already killed the boss once. I was meaming about the armor nights but bores is unironically better than tibarn by a significant amount.
He's hot, what can I say
Im glad you made an analysis about this mess
I have to imagine at least some people transmuted their feelings about FE10 Tibarn to FE9 because I reactively clicked on A before remembering "hang on! this is Path of Radiance" and revising
Same with Haar
Tibarn being A tier makes sense, he has no opportunity cost so even if he doesn't do much you don't pay anything for him and that also explains the other placements these three characters aren't ranked comparatively to the rest of the cast because they don't share any ressource (be it xp or weapons) they are ranked against each other because choosing one locks you out of the others.
I see it the same way as I'd evaluate a card like warcry+ in slay the spire, a card that draws 2 and then puts 1 on top of your deck for 0 energy. Realistically, barring any synergy you're just shuffling your hand a bit and it slightly helps with consistency but in most games it being in your deck or not has no meaningful impact on the end result of you winning or losing the run. But I'm still going to pick it most time I see it much more than a lot of otherwise more impactful cards because it's pretty much always better than just skipping which is an otherwise rather powerful option. I will never spend ressources on it or favor it over a card I actually want but if I'm offered it and would otherwise not add any card to my deck I'll add it and as a result I see it as a rather powerful card despite it's negligible impact.
Analogy might not have made sense if you don't play slay the spire but point is, if I'm offered something for free it has to be at least above average in my opinion. Maybe not A tier, I feel like B tier is more appropriate for "no cost low contribution"
I can only imagine Tibarn got a few early high votes because people like him, and then some people saw a Tibarn poll with high ratings, and just absentmindedly assumed it was an RD list and clicked A.
Cabbage is versatile and all, but lately I've realised how much of an underappreciated veggie artichokes are, shit's delicious
@@Sashitoge What's the rest of the veggie tier list looking like?
@soapsatellite That's an absurdly long question to answer in full. Tht being said, it'd be a list with far more B and A tiers and next to no S tiers imho, veggies are typically the supporting cast and not the main carries.
Still, tomato could have a shot at being the king if the texture mishmash of a non-cooked tomato wasn't a senspry nightmare in like three different ways, so maybe potato would be the sole S tier, even if they're kind of a professional playing in the kids league (their real rivals in bread, pasta, noodles and rice are disqualified from the veggie cup). Chili is the candidate with most variance between everyone's personal lists. Spinach is the black horse that gets higher placement than most expect. Avocado F if we're including fruit, Guacamole isn't enough to save your mushy ass.
Ok that's enough
I have Dani in S tier after Best Merchant Wife and just above Nino in most precious fire emblem related characters
Cant wait to see the version of this video for Engage.
Yunaka is NOT B TIER WHAT ARE THEY THINKING--
Do you think she's higher or lower? / SRS
@DaniDoyle I think she's lower. C tier and bordering D tier. Her stats are not good, her class is bad, and she needs a lot of levels in order to get out of it.
Zelkov has better stats (and probably a higher level). And even if you want to do a Corrin strat, for some reason, the Thief class is not exclusive to Yunaka!!
And even *then*, you can do better enemy phase strats that don't involve gambling with low hit% rates. Notably, VanWrath with Leif and Bonded Shield.
I think Hard mode skews her rating significantly. The enemies will actually suicide into her on Hard, so she just snowballs, and even though it's a maddening poll, people will still vote based on what they played.
Actually it’s easier for the royals to get to Ashnard since he starts moving around turn 7 or 8, so he’s likely to be closer than you think… still not enough to really help out unless if Ike is REALLY scared of Ashnard.
Excited for the FE7 hit piece. There truly are not enough people hating on that game.
I'm always it's biggest hater
@@DaniDoyleme about to go on a quest to find a bigger FE7 hater than you (I never will)
I like Sacred Stones better
Tibarn A tier because he is the hottest
I just realized, I don't think that anything regarding Occult Scrolls was really brought up regarding tiers. Granted the only ones really worth it are Aether and Sol (and even then they're inconsistent since they're proc skills) and they probably wouldn't change the tiers much, but I just feel like bringing them up anyway.
26:26 👀
Ok. I'll comment some few things:
There are a few enemies with multiple weapons to steal, mainly steel plus 1-2 range but valuable enough.
At first I thought the Tiers were ordered and found Elincia fine where she is, and so were most units.
I didn't pay enough attention to the FE6 comparison but I'm glad you have it here as I was concerned about the time it took you for this video. Like, without it, you would have done another entire Poll Tier List before the video was out.
There are a few steels/javs to steal late game, but not many, and by the time there are some, You've got more than enough money to purchase them anyway. It's just not useful.
@DaniDoyle
Definitely. Under normal circumstances I would rather deploy a combat unit.
I think next time you gotta put more information on the polls, like how Mythril Zenith does it (puts base stats, growths, etc). I find it's harder to accurately tier a unit without the prerequisite info. Also lmao tibarn in A
@@crenando288 see I think most people don't read the giant block of text anyway so I'm not sure how much that would help... I feel like if someone can't remember the base stats and growth rates, they would just look them up on one of the multiple places they're available. Personally I think adding a giant text box for each character would make it less likely that people vote (or at the very least less likely that they read the criteria which is sometimes relevant like on my engage no DLC tier list). No hate to zenith obviously, He's doing his polls his own way and I'm doing mine my own way, but personally the reason I don't include unit data is to avoid overwhelming people.
@DaniDoyle all I'm saying is that most people are not gonna look up the bases/growths for a RUclips poll (source, I didn't), so with incomplete info it's just vibes. Either way, Soren in B tier is very funny
Yeah just like rating different kind of cabbages, rating FE units involves someone's own taste, their way to use them and some nostalgia.
So my theory for the laguz rating is that not everyone used every single laguz. So lots of people used Tibarn (on lower difficulties) and remembered that he was successful in reaching Ashnard and dealing damage to him so they rated him high. Giffca deals damage but doesn't reach Ashnard and only few people used Nesala (because he is EVIL >:() so they just looked up his rating online. And just like seeing only bad rated savoy cabbage recipes they just accept this as truth.
I guess the individuell ratings of them (especially Tibarn and Giffca) are biased a lot by their Radiant Dawn appearance. This probably also applies to Ike, Soren and maybe even Makalov (though in a negative way for him, I guess Astrid is spared because people actually use her since she isn't your fifth Cav and isn't a "bad" person).
I think part of the "everyone in C tier" phenomenon is just the law of averages. Enough people voting will pull votes closer to the mean, especially if you assume the average voter is 1 or 2 cabbages short of the stockpile of a Smart (TM) FETuber
As a fellow FE9 baby, I can't wait to see Dani react to this 😍
People only put Naesala in F tier because of how much he eats cabbage, that's what F tier stands for. Cabbage.
Ike being in B-tier was pure *_cabbage_*
The community tier list is a nice bell curve that would probably feel better if the tiers were sorted, bar some of the weird outliers
I wonder if Ike would like fine cabbages.
I agree with the other comments about tibarn being put in A because he's the best of the royals (as if the characters in the tiers are in a vacuum), but I also remember when the poll was active, people joked how voters for A tier might've been thinking they were voting for radiant dawn tibarn or misremembering his fe9 performance bc of fe10, so I think that could be another important factor
Ike's promotion is a little worse than it seems on paper, due to the way Chapter 17 is structured, making it more like four maps in one. They're relatively smaller than average, sure, but that still means he effectively promotes at the end of Chapter 21, the same point as Roy (albeit without Gaiden Chapters slowing things down and more chapters to use it in, but still.)
And enemies being weaker and Ike being stronger usually than Roy.
I think part of this is straight up Challenge Maps. I don’t know how many people are playing them, I personally don’t. But if you were to add the challenge maps into this, there is defeintly more going on with the royals. Now don’t get me wrong the gap in teirs is still wild but it explains some of the general opinion more I think.
I wonder how much Ike's placement would change if he uniquely had a level 40 cap in his base class that would keep that level upon his promotion event. He'd be able to benefit a lot more from bexp dumps, but aside from not receiving promotion bonuses until then, the problem there would be his Tier 1 stat caps.
The endgame laguz aren’t good to begin with but Tibarn isn’t even the best of the three on hard mode. Beast laguz have more movement than bird laguz and the obstacles in the middle of the map can’t be flown over, so in addition to having better stats, Giffca will actually reach Ashnard faster than Tibarn (except on easy/normal where Ashnard doesn’t move from his starting position). That just makes it more confusing that he made it to A tier.
The obstacles in the map actually can be flown over.
The list was doomed the moment Mia didn't go to S Tier, people aren't enlightened enough
Preach brother, preach.
true!
Damn I am never this early on any video release!
Alright, so explaining some of the discrepancies as a voter:
Tibarn being in A is simple. The opportunity cost for Tibarn is Naesala and Giffca who he outperforms in pretty much every way. For that reason, he's always the best pick in that last chapter and is better at killing the boss than anyone else besudes a well trained Ike or skilled up dragon. Put another way, Tibarn has no downside given his availability. Meanwhile, both Giffca and Naesala have the downside of not being Tibarn and locking you out of Tibarn.
Makalov in C is because, while he is certainly going to put in work because horse in FE9, he's the worst if the cavs imo. Sword locked is not great in PoR, and he joins later than most cavs meaning he didn't get the focus that units like Oscar, Titania, Astrid, or even Kieran can get. He's also an unlikeable sleezeball with an unfunny gimmick which, while not relevant for his performance, does make me not want to use him much. 13 is about the standard number of deployment slots, so between the two fliers, the dancer, the lord, the 4 better horse riders, and a healer you've only got 4 left. Am I really going to spend one of those slots on an unlikable character whose role is already fulfilled better by other characters? The next map after he joins is a desert map and therefore one of the few maps where cavs don't fare too well anyways. TLDR, opportunity cost, same reason for the discrepancy between the Laguz Royals.
Ike is crazy post Chapter 17 and a liability from like chapters 11-17. He's fine enough early thanks the the royal sword and alright stats but that middle section hurts. I personally put him in C tier but I can see the argument for B since the chapters when he struggles aren't too bad and he, again, has no real opportunity cost.
Boyd is better than Ike until Ike gets Ragnell and available for just as long but costs a deployment spot later in the game. However, he contributes a lot early if you're not just Titania soloing (and even if you are on a few maps) and only really has that opportunity cost once Jill joins. I voted for B here.
Is Callil really that good? Tbh, never really used her since I always gave Soren way too much favoritism so didn't vote on her.
We all underrated Mist 100%, someone else can explain that one.
I never use chest keys and so always use Volke to get items. He's B for me purely from utility, I horde my money and use it pretty much only for forges. Bad habit but still
Haar is a flier with good stats and therefore only loses out on S (or A on the poll) because of availability and opportunity cost knocking him down. I still voted for him in A.
Elincia is a flier with bad stats that joins late and therefore a C tier unit.
Mia's a growth unit who grows into a filler unit at a time when viability slots are limited. I wouldn't put her in F, however, as I only put units who serve no purpose there (Lucia who is outclassed by Ike, Naesala and Giffca who aren't Tibarn, Sothe who isn't Volke, Danved, etc).
How is Danved in C in both lists btw, what were we cooking?
I think that covers most of the discrepancies
You say that you would only put people who are useless in F but then why is tibarn A? Six damage to one enemy that you've already proven you can kill without him is about as useless as you can get.
@DaniDoyle You're right and I should clarify. Tibarn is practically useless in that he contributes *almost* nothing but he also costs nothing. It's basically a really small contribution (6 damage) divided by an infintesimal cost (and this is why we shouldn't divide by 0 kids). The other units I'd place in F do have more use but are useless in the sense that their benefits are less than their costs if that makes sense. For example, Sothe is in F because he never can be deployed without taking away a deployment slot from someone else and he will always be worse than another unit. His only use case is if Volke dies and you really want a thief or you want 2 thieves for some reason. I hope that makes sense!
I also stand by that Ike is at least a B-tier unit in PoR and everybody who says he sucks has just gotten extremely stat screwed with him. Ike is ALWAYS one of my better combat units, especially earlygame. He takes a chapter or two to really get going but eventually he's doing extremely well. He's bulky enough to take a few hits, fast enough that he can dodge some of them, and strong enough that he's at least 2-rounding enemies most of the time. I really do not get why so many people say he's a bad lord.
tibarn got into a because he got aura.
I like Ike a lot more then his stats deserve, because I like killing the black knight via capping Ike’s stats. As a result, Ike ends up preforming as a B tier unit since I force myself to train him every time I play. As a result I end up rating him way higher than most due to this self restriction.
Also you can kill the Black knight basically 100% of the time with the weight mix in of capped stats, trained mist, the knight ring and Wrath + Adept. You only need one proc to kill the BK without mist dying, 0 skills required if you plan the fight and let mist die.
man not the skibidi ohio
They Call Him The Rizzler He's The Panther Dressed In Black
wrt the concept of not tiering units badly because every unit is "salvageable", I remember reading through an old FE7 gamefaqs guide for fun. And aside from the rankings being horrible (Marcus bad, lords good, etc) the one thing I noticed is that the lowest ranking was like 6/10, or maybe 5.5/10 for all units. Which... makes zero sense to me. Why have a scale that goes to 10 if you're only going to use less than half the available numbers. You might as well just subtract 5 from the score and have a 0-5 scale instead. Someone has to be the worst character and even if the game is easy enough that anyone can contribute effectively that unit should absolutely be in the lowest tier.
Lowest Ranking being 6/10... Thats some IGN ass rankings LMAO
Actually, i think "school ranking" makes sense for ranking characters like this. 6/10 is the minimum grade to "pass" so it would signify "not even close to optimal but viable". Every character being at least 6/10 would signify the game is well balanced.
What about the lower half? I'd argue there is a large differencw between something loke Amelia, wich is not really viabke whitout grinding but can be salvaged rather easily, and Lyre that would still be disappointing after herculean efforts.
you could reasonably use all 6 paladins in PoR even if mr. pink cabbage hair is only there for filler and rescue-dropping. probably better than me trying to copium with soren when he cant even make it to combat, let alone survive enemy phase.
bolted the dragons in endgame though, that’s my one vindication
If I had to guess, I would say that some of the oddities in the FE9 tierings may come down to perceived redundancy and performance within a niche. Sothe is the absolute lowest ranked unit because he is inarguably worse than Volke, even though being a thief is not the worst thing to be. Makalov is the worst cavalier, therefore he must be ranked lower even though cavaliers overall are good. Similarly, Soren is the best mage and therefore must be ranked higher even though mages overall are bad. Under that frame of mind, it could be said that the extreme disparity of rankings between the laguz royals is a reflection of their perceived viability compared to one another, even if they all function at about the same level relative to the rest of the cast as a whole. Tibarn is inarguably the best royal, therefore he must be ranked higher even though the royals overall are terrible.
Btw are you gonna make review about shackles power? I love that rom hack but that's the most difficult ROM hack that i ever played.
ive played it but i have no plans to review it as of right now.
@DaniDoyle oh ok good to know.
I can see the logic for tibarn/naesala. you will _never_ pick naesala when playing optimally because he's just worse tibarn, so he is effectively the most useless unit in the game as he will never be recruited.
I can't speak for everyone, but I generally rate lords a bit higher than I would a comparable non-lord - lords at their worst can be worse than the worst non-lord (lords can actively be a liability because they're mandatory and a loss condition), so they get points for minimal competence that I don't give everyone else. Also, because you can't drop the lord and they're guaranteed to be in the late game, I give them extra credit if their growths are decent, which Ike's are.
Man I really cannot wait for the video on Engage. The list has been a massive shitpost so far.
Also as a side note my dad really loves cabbage but it doesnt agree with him anymore and thats pretty sad :/
i dont know how the fe9 and fe6 tierlists were made by the same community
It's simple. A good tier list gets made for a good game and a bad tier list gets made for a bad game.
@@DaniDoyle so true
I for sure voted for Tibarn in A tier. It was an impulse vote with bias from his performance in the sequel. I think most of my fellow “tibarn is A tier” voters forgot that he’s only really in the last map.
It's not even the last map. He's available for a handful of turns.
Rolf is S tier because his hair looks like a cabbage and he’s my Son who gets fed all the BEXP
Regarding Volke and how many chests don't have worthwhile rewards, my understanding is that your argument was "just use chest keys, and only open the chests that matter", which assumes that the player knows which chests have valuable loot and which chests don't. To know that without opening every chest, you have to either have encyclopedic knowledge of the game, or play the game with a guide open - which, at least in my opinion, isn't fun.
When I play, I don't know which specific chests are worth opening, so it's easier to just open everything. And using a thief for that instead of exclusively chest keys also makes inventory management less annoying.
Ike is another case of a question I've yet to find an answer to: is playing [Fire Emblem game] easier if you train and invest in [bad force-deployed lord], or is it easier if you refuse to train the lord?
In general I feel like skilled players are more inclined to say keeping the lord out of combat is easier, while relatively unskilled players tend to say training the lord is easier. And I'm inclined to agree with the latter, because less skilled players are likely to have a better idea of what makes the game easy or hard than skilled players.
It's like that classic tier list disclaimer: "we're ranking units as they perform on the highest difficulty, because anyone can do anything on the lower difficulties; its on the highest difficulty that differences between units become apparent." Being good at the game is like playing at a lower difficulty - you're less in touch with what units are actually helpful for beating the game because you're going to win no matter what. (using a standard like "minimizing Game Overs") (as opposed to beating it efficiently or some such).
To circle back to the original question, there's a lot of nuance. Suppose it IS easier to beat the game by training Ike (rather than your BEXP strat) because anyone who can keep an untrained Ike out of danger at all times is likely winning without getting a Game Over no matter what. Hence, training Ike is a good idea for beating the game, because it will protect you and give you a buffer against mistakes if you're inclined to make them, and if you don't make mistakes you can train him just fine.
Does that mean Ike is a better unit, because he's expected to be trained and thus have better performance? Or does that make him a worse unit, because this framework forces investment into him, which he should be penalized for?
Is Geitz worse than Nino, where Geitz is a stand-in for a trained Ike!? help
Training Ike takes resources (exp) away from other more competent units, who help you to beat the game (not game over) much more easily than Ike does. Im general I hate the " efficiency' mindset because outside of LTC your turn count really doesn't matter... If you beat the map in 30 turns or beat the map in 5 turns, you still unlock the next chapter. So I don't see any advantage to winning in lower turns unless you are LTC (and I don't LTC).
@DaniDoyle But that's the thing. Having competent units is great and all, but not training Ike makes me more susceptible to Game Over (because I struggle keeping weak units alive) than not training, say, an objectively better unit like Kieran.
Kieran makes your victories more decisive, but untrained Ikes makes defeats more likely.
That's just not true though. If anything training Ike makes you more likely to game over because you're going to be placing him in combat positions that he's just not suited for in order to train him (a trained Ike is still not particularly good at combat).
@@DaniDoyle I think you might be right. In theory training Ike makes things easier, but FE tends to be more difficult early on anyways.
Still, I don't like the idea of leaving him behind to get jumpscared by reinforcements I didn't know were coming. This has absolutely happened to me - move the weak lord with your unit and they're dead if your formation breaks; leave them behind without a guard and they can be picked off by reinforcements; rescue them around and your down one good unit at any given time.
But are reinforcements deadlier than an early-game training arc, when the only reason the early-game could Game Over you is if you were trying to train Ike instead of stomping everything with Titania?
I guess I don't know whether you're right. If you're right, you're right because training a weak lord in the early game incurs a hefty risk of failure, so it's not worth it. If you're wrong, you're wrong because you're too familiar with the game, and don't get put in bad situations where an untrained lord is endangered.
I apologize for being difficult to satisfy. I can't satisfyingly figure this out myself. Maybe I need to get off RUclips and back to Tellius.
Can’t wait for the fe6 one
This video is also the fe6 one (I didn't feel like there was enough to make its own video in that list so it just has a segment at the end of this)
@ oh oops I hadn’t finished when making the comment LOL
I can’t wait for the engage one to finish in any case
@@OrigamiAhsoka makes sense I just wanted to make sure you weren't going to avoid watching if you only wanted to see FE6 :)
@ oh dw 🙏
Tibarn sweep lessgoooo
AoM Retold stream when?
Marsha? Marsha??? Is that how that name is pronounced?? I've been calling her Mar-see-uh ever since PoR first came out.
Its actually pronounced "Giuseppe"
Ah, yeah. Now that you mention it, I do see that. Carry on.
AoM background music??? is dani the most tasteful woman alive?
Can someone pls explain the cabbage joke I dint get it
Also 40:04 AAAAA THE COMPRESSION
Edit: 41:00 ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh
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Nah Tibarn is A because of the Trial maps lol
The reason mages suck in path of radiance is because they dislike cabbage, eating cabbage makes you an S tier Fire Emblem unit.
Yummy! 🤤
I still cannot believe that Naesala is in F and Tibarn is in A. Naesala, Giffca, and Tibarn should all be C (at best) imo. They’re effectively the same. Giffca and Tibarn a stronger, yes, but the difference is not big enough for them to be in different tiers
Why C tier? They exist for exactly one enemy, and don't show up until you already killed that enemy once.... That's a pretty awful performance.
@@DaniDoyle because they can be really helpful in that fight. He becomes a lot scarier in his 2nd phase, even though I’m pretty sure his stats don’t change. I also include normal difficulty in my calculations (although less than hard mode), because in this tier ranking you didn’t specify not to. And iirc, they come at the beginning on normal, meaning they can help for the whole map. So I say C, at best. I can understand the argument for lower, which is why I include the at best. But I did vote C for all three of them during the polls. It feels a bit high, but I remember my first time playing through the game, Naesala tearing up random enemies and being one of two units (I didn’t deploy Ena) who could actually damage the boss was so cool. So do they deserve C? Maybe. They certainly can’t be higher than that, and that’s where I’d rank them I think
@@Nalucha Ashnard is not scarier in his second phase. he gains 20 hp and no other stats or skills. If you killed him once (which you need to do to have tibarn join) you can kill him again. tibard doesn't even deal 20 damage, he deals 12, so his existance does not change the ability to kill ashnard phase 2.
@@DaniDoyle I did say his stats don’t change. But the extra 20 HP and the fact that he starts moving make him feel scarier, so the backup feels nice. And my point about normal difficulty still stands. The tier wasn’t why I commented though, the fact that they didn’t all end up in the same tier is why I commented. Which we can agree is ridiculous. No way that Tibarn and Naesala belong on opposite ends of the tier list
@@Nalucha what do you mean he "starts moving"? Ashnard moves on both phases, as soon as someone is in his attack range. The 20 HP is literally the only difference.
Tibarn is a Gigachad, I'd argue he's ranked too low.
I love Jill, I think she's a great unit, definitely high-A or S tier. However. I stand by that she makes a HORRIBLE first impression. Her bases are nothing special, and the only reason she can even survive her join map SOMETIMES is because of her Laguzguard. Her speed is unimpressive and she joins with a weapon that weighs her down. If this chapter was trying to showcase how Jill can be a great unit...it's not doing a very good job. She gets much more use out of the next map, being able to fly around the three ships.
Wait
Why is Andaron Saga on that video in the middle?
Do we think Mangs is a bad person?
What am i missing here?
he's a rapist, a white supremacist, a homophobe, and a sexist.
@DaniDoyle what???
Gosh
Ok i am definitely gonna look further into that cause i had never anything of the sort.
But wow, that's insane. He seems like a nice guy
Sheesh...
@@DaniDoyle just found a beeeg reddit thread about that and oh my god, I didn't even get to read everything but what I read already feels me enough about him.
I'm glad I paid attention to that thumbnail on your video, otherwise I wouldnt question and probably never heard about any of that.
Thanks for "unintentionally" bringing that to my attention.
@dyegoeduardosantossilva3659 it's unfortunately a thing a lot of people don't know about (because many large FE people don't want to talk about it since he is popular) so don't feel bad about not knowing... ignorance isn't a crime :)
@DaniDoyle yeah yeah, I know. I actually got on the community kinda like, last year
So I didn't exist when "it happened"
Shin lost points in the FE6 tier list because nobody likes Sacae. 😂 At least he has cabbage hair. Or is it Kale?
Jill is A Tier at best.
There being a whole tier between soren and ilyana is ridiculous. Theyre basically the same unit. Soren should have been c
30:00 fair and balanced? Oh you mean wrath and resolve
Disagree on the idea of not using Ike and then BEXP dumping him, because he is force deployed on every map I don't see a huge cost in having him murder some units here or there. I rarely have absolutely nothing for him to do in the early-mid game and I'd rather use bexp immediately than dump it on a unit I have deployed anyway. Oh and Cabbage
That said, he is fairly mediocre but I think he should go to C tier rather than D
My point wasn't to never have him do anything, I too have him get kills when its convenient/helps me, since this saves on bxp. My point was more you don't gave to go out of your way to focus on training him, in the way you might Seliph for example, so he usually ends up behind the curve, as without being focused on as a training project/having kills set up for hom, he's not especially good.
@@DaniDoyle I see, that makes more sense. I thought in the video you were saying don't use him at all and I always try to find use for force deploys in FE even if they suck so I thought I'd say something about it.
@Wes-bn2oc no, I meant like don't baby/train him more than he naturally accomplishes. Sorry for that
idk I think Cord is probably the best unit in this game
Oh a PoR channel!
Why is this comment section filled with Cabbages? Was a guy who's Cabbage cart keeps getting crushed having a sale?
Yes
@DaniDoyle neat
hey das me
I've worked it out
Tibarn is so High
Because people wanted to push up the Hawk to A tier.
Don't believe me? then say the above sentence out loud, pronouncing the A the same way you pronounce the a in above.
11:15
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[Very loud Incorrect Buzzer, followed by an image of an ike doing 0 to Ashnard]
15:00
Cries in Poland Ike
[Poland Ike: A POR Ike noted for getting more magic than strength by levelling, as well as getting doubled by BK, while dealing (Shit) damage {I do Love my 11 str at level 20, after getting simped an energy drop.}]
Note, here, that I am a believer in Ena > Nasir, solely due to witnessing such Ikes. Nasir is like cake. Sure, it's nice, but you don't *need* it to survive. Ena, on the other hand, is more like Bread [or Cabbages], which is, for some people, their means of survival. I cannot with a good conscience say that I believe Cake to be more in want than Cabbage, and similarly cannot say the same for Nasir than Ena.
Again, winning and losing the BK fight is not dependent on Ike's stats. As I explained in the video, max STR/SPD Ike still needs quite a bit of luck to beat BK. The "you got Ena because you need her" line needs to stop, it has no basis in reality. You get Ena if you're unlucky in a single 5 turn fight.