Here's another one: Scott saying "I thought we had a deal." I don't know if that's the exact words, but yeah. If we're gonna spend any amount of time pondering over whether or not Scott should accept Kang's deal, it would really help if we didn't already know that Kang was going to betray him.
@@SinkfieldHoops oh, of course. But if we're just waiting for it to happen then we lose the tension. We always know that the hero is gonna win, but if that's shown in the trailer then there isn't tension when we watch the film.
I actually think the "spoilery" nature of the trailer is narratively intentional. The tagline of the film is "Witness the Beginning of a New Dynasty"; we are meant to go into the film knowing that Kang is the next big bad guy and that he can't traditionally "lose" here. It's dramatic irony. The sales pitch isn't "how is Scott getting out of this one," it's "how badly is this going to go for our heroes?"
@@Marabcd315 Infinity War didn’t have Ant-Man as the only main hero in it. Those create very different expectations. You expect the Avengers to be all right in general. You don’t expect Ant-Man to be powerful enough to beat Kang.
@@Marabcd315 tbf that kind of was how comic fans experienced that movie. I remember being surprised that people were shocked that the infinity guantlet adaptation did the most iconic part of that story. That said, spoiling that they actually went through with it, or who would be affected, would have worsened that scene's impact. I think it depends on how you do it.
@@Marabcd315 I mean like originally the moveis were part 1 n 2 when they were shown in their lineup in 2014, we knew infinity war wasn’t going to the end so….I say that logic more applies to endgame and if they had used iron man’s death as marketing tool but they didn’t and since there’s a “part 2” part 1 holds less weight right?
I think they did it on Purpose to let the fans know shit boutta pop off. But we always go the movies to be suprised more than the trailers hyped us up sk they better have more to deliver in the movie if this isn’t the entire plot
As far as I can remember, this has never been a problem for a Marvel Studios movie, so I feel like this movie has a lot more up it’s sleeve than this trailer suggests. Also, producers are saying this movie is as monumental as Civil War, and Ant-Man movies have been some of the less profitable MCU movies, so I feel like they’re really trying to get people out to see this one
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu yeah if you go back into those comments on MoM, majority agree the trailer had than more excited than the more itself. Which likes you says shows that the movie didn’t really give everything ppl thought they were getting and that’s the movies fault not the trailer. Hopefully the same mistake isn’t made with ant man
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu If people couldn’t tell Wanda was the villain from the trailer, then they weren’t paying attention. Plus, it straight-up spoiled the Charles Xavier cameo.
I hope that’s the case cuz if not then this will seem like a Phase 4 movie which is bad. Not for me but this movie should have something more to deliver than us fans pretty much the entire plot. It would really feel like a downer
I liked the trailer a lot personally, but I definitely agree with the criticisms that it showed too much of the plot (especially with the MODOK reveal. What is the point of the mask to reveal the identity in the trailer?). I am trying to stay optimistic that maybe it either lies or there's more that we don't know about that lets them reveal, idk this may just be me being a Marvel junkie but I am trying to stay optimistic despite the weird marketing choice
I feel the same way, honestly, I personally hate the mask design and was hoping we'd get the big goofy face, and we did, but if that was kept until the movie, I'd have been so surprised to see him look so stupid and silly.
I feel like we have that new law to blame for this happening, Marvel and other companies aren't even allowed to mislead and hide things in trailers or else they'll get sued over it, so now they couldn't edit M.O.D.O.K's face out or make scenes like Kang's betrayal look different then what it originally is or else it'll be labeled as "Misleading"
First thing I thought of when I heard the "we both have to lose" line was the trailer for Homecoming where we see Spider-Man trying to hold the split ferry together...and then Iron Man swoops in and solves it. Would've been dope to watch the movie and think "Well how is Scott gonna get out of this?" "we both have to lose" "oh shit...he's NOT getting out of this..."
I've become a bit skeptical of Marvel trailers though--the Hulk running in Wakanda from Infinity War (which of course wasn't actually in the movie) being an example of them using footage that didn't make the final cut/alternate versions to mislead the audience and not give away the whole plot while also drawing you in. Not sure how much I believe everything we saw is actually in the movie or (to your point) how much is WAAAY out of context.
I get where you’re coming from, but I’ve also had a hard time believing that marvel knows better than to spoil things now. After no way home I figured that the Dr. Strange trailer wasn’t showing us everything. But nope, they showed essentially all of the Illuminati except Mr. Fantastic. So I feel like they could’ve spoiled more than they meant to here. Fingers crossed there’s still a whole lot of surprises! :)
Having just come from the movie, and having avoided seeing the trailer he was talking about, holy crap am I glad I managed to avoid it. There was way too much that he just described that would have been ruined if I saw the trailer
I think you're absolutely right, but for me personally, I nearly forget everything I see in trailers as soon as the movie starts, and only when those shots turn up in the movie do I think to myself "Oh yeah, of course this happens, I've seen this before", so my cinema experience isn't hampered by it, just my general enthusiam going in. Which weirdly might actually make me enjoy my time watching more, as my expectations and hopes for the film can sometimes hinder my first watch. MoM was like that for me, wasn't a big fan the first time I saw it, because the tone was different to what I thought the trailer projected, but on a second viewing, I knew what I was in for and have come to really enjoy that entry in the MCU.
The worst is Spider-Man homecomings trailer, that trailer shows the boat being split in half, tony coming to help, tony taking away the suit, then spidey fighting vulture in the homemade suit on the plain. I remembered being pissed when I saw that trailer.
I think a major concern for Marvel Studios is that their trailer get paused and analysed and deconstructed unlike any other. A normal trailer for a mainstream film goes by in 100 seconds and then people move on with their lives, but Marvel have to expect that people will screenshot and zoom and enhance to within an inch of their lives.
So far the plot looks exactly like the plot for Guardians 2. Ant Man is gonna accept the deal, and screw up a few dimensions, then he’s gonna end up having an army of Ant Mans fighting against Kangs army, then they’re all gonna diminish and it’ll end with just Scott and Kang battling it out. It seems like the main characters are going to be in the quantum realm for the entirety of the film, and nearly every single clip of Kang takes place in the SAME EXACT PLACE. Makes me feel like we’re actually not gonna see Kang very much during the movie.
Take this with a grain of salt, but according to some plot leaks Kang is only a secondary villain in the movie. Modok has a lot more interaction with the main characters.
@@flowersinawastelandthe first few plot leaks did say that sure but the most recent one posted on MSS subreddit after the first trailer has kang as the main antagonist and modok as the secondary one. But in case that wasn’t enough guess who’s all over the trailers and marketing? It’s kang. We even see what looks like the final battle of the movie and I don’t see ant-man fighting modok. I see ant-man fighting kang.
I found that the worst one was Multiverse of Madness because the very first trailer gave a very clear House of M meets 'The Oath' vibe with Dr Strange waking up from his nightmare to the wedding and 'being the hero' only to set up the conversation with Wanda. It set the story up as needing him to make a decision between his happy life in Wanda's reality vs the 'real world' of his nightmare. So there was a lot of hype only for the scenes in context to be the dumb dreamwalking idea that was used instead of Wanda's reality warping powers. On the flipside Wakanda Forever did the same thing in setting up the main story - but like the best MCU movies it took a hard left - we knew the fight at the end was coming, but it was the HOW far they went to get there that provided the surprise. However having the 'who is Modak' randomly spoiled via a youtuber really sucked. It would have cost them nothing to sit on that secret for a couple of weeks - instead it now feels cheap
It's funny because you're right. It seems like going to see the movies to learn about the first act and all the setup and why, meanwhile we know the conflict and can guess the resolution
Could not agree more nando, everything was absolutely nailed on the head. People will defend things or explain things away but this is just an objective fact that marvel shows too much in the trailer
If you watched a few of these movies you can really guess the plot even if the trailer doesn't tell you a lot. I guessed the plot of Ragnarok even before the trailer just based on the news around it.
I think the point is to imply to the general audience that Ant Man could die/sacrifice himself. Also I suspect this might be a mid point disguised as a climax (like Black Panther “dying” mid Black Panther).
It may have given away too much, but it’s also the first thing that’s got me hooked into the emotional story potential and make me really eager to see them film, so I don’t mind
This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. There was an Expendables 3 trailer that showed every twist in the movie and pretty much every scene. They really really want a movie to feel 'big' so they show as much as possible. Just like we have "Red Band Trailers" that show the R-Rated Stuff I wish they would make "Blue Band Trailers" or something that don't show anything in a movie that's not in the first x% of its runtime.
A fun little theory that popped into my head while watching this, with no real foundation whatsoever: What if that whole scene of Kang vs. Ant-Man happens at the beginning of the movie? The only thing being that this Ant-Man is a variant and not from Earth-616. This Ant-Man says the line "I don't have to win...we both just have to lose" but in context, he does something to sabotage Kang's plan or whatever and steals a crucial component. That's the thing that Kang needs to retrieve and enlists our universe's Ant-Man to help.
Something I wonder that I just haven't seen anyone bring up. I wonder if this trailer had anything to do with that, Yesterday, lawsuit. Where there is now a precedent that you can be sued for misleading trailers. Because this is the first trailer post the outcome of that verdict and Marvel trailers have been mentioned as ones that intentionally mislead you.
I didn't connect the Wasp saving Scott thing until you mentioned it, for some reason though I have a feeling not that it's a cleverly edited Cassie scene, but rather a scene we don't have the full context for. Like it appears as though he's being sucked in and Wasp comes to save him, but maybe when we watch the movie we'll see that it's like a dream sequence or that Scott's seeing it and thinks it's Wasp coming to his rescue, when in actuality it's someone else (not Cassie) and he's visualizing it as Wasp. As far as the "we just both have to lose" line, that definitely does seem like a 3rd act, final battle thing, though I feel like that's Marvel doing their trailer trickery again, in this case editing together two different unconnected scenes to make it seem connected in the trailer. Like I could see the "did you really think you could win" part being in an Act 2 fight (I'm connecting it to the metal face Modok scene in my head), and the "we just both have to lose" part being from a completely different part of the final movie, but the way the trailer is edited, it comes across as those two scenes being connected. Marvel has shown they know how to get people talking and with things like Wandavision and She-Hulk they've shown they know what people are going to say before the show even comes out. I'm sure this trailer is likely a purposeful misdirect, much like the Captain Marvel trailer misdirected us on the truth about the Skrulls, or the Infinity War trailer with Thanos only having 2 stones during the Battle of Wakanda and Hulk himself being in the trailer instead of the Hulkbuster.
I have a thing, that I don't really do on purpose, where I get so engrossed in the movie that I completely forget about the trailer and any mild spoilers. Obviously major spoilers are a different story, but for example, I watched the Dr Strange trailer multiple times but completely forgot about zombie Strange while watching the movie.
I haven't watched the trailer and I plan to go into Quantumania as blind as possible, but I will come back and watch after I see the movie, as I'm super on the side of how trailers now adays are showing me too much.
Well said. As you said, Marvel films market themselves; I'm certain Spider-Man could just use a still image of the number 4 with Spider-Man imagery right up to the release day and diehard fans will respect it more. I'd like to see trailers like this saved for a week or two after release.
The problem is Ant-Man doesn’t sell. The previous films didn’t make as much as marvels other properties and they want Quantummania to be super successful to launch Kang
Plenty of trailers these days, not just superhero flicks, give away a lot. It’s odd cuz yes it gives film hype but it takes away from the surprise. Miss when we only had like 2 trailers & that’s it : no tv spots, no clips, & no more extra trailers
Questionable as this trailer may be, it doesn't hold a candle to the second Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer. Where the first trailer ended on the exciting cliffhanger of Spider-Man working desperately to hold two pieces of a sinking ferryboat together, the second trailer utterly annihilated any suspense by showing plain as day that Iron Man shows up to save the ferry. What could have been an nail-biter of a setpiece in theaters was ruined by the marketing that inexplicably felt the need to spoil the resolution.
If only there was hint at a character in the movie who lived the same day repeatedly until he had the right outcome. It could be some sort of “Groundhog Day”. 😉 This would mean that we’re witnessing one of a multitude of scenarios that keeps repeating and Ant-man is splitting up to go through all these scenarios to find the outcome where Kang doesn’t win. Kind of like what Dr. Strange did in Infinity War but with time travel. Which means the Capt. America isn’t the only one who can do this all day😅
If we know anything about Marvel it's that they do not spoil their movies. Every single trailer people cry out that "they showed too much" and then the movie comes out and it's completely different than we expect
I mean I feel like we already have a pretty clear idea of what’s gonna happen in this movie, trailer or not. Scott and crew are sucked into the quantum realm, they meet Kang, Kang tries to take over the multiverse, Scott and crew try to stop him, they fail, Scott probably dies, Hank too, Kang establishes his dynasty as seen in Loki, stage is set for KD and SW
I think its a good reason for them to have fake scenes in the trailer to thrown people off like they did in Infinity War. Trailers shouldn't show resolutions and contexts
I'm sure I'm mostly alone in this, but when I saw Iron Man 3 in the theatre and I saw Pepper fall to her "death" I thought it didn't make sense because there was a shot of Pepper in the trailer that hadn't happened yet and then boom she's alive.
Honestly, considering it takes place in the Quantum Realm where time is wonky and Kang is involve which makes dimensions wobbly, I wouldn't be surprised if aome scenes are bait frlm either a different universe or timeline.
The trailer does give away the whole movie. If Marvel had took more chances after Endgame probably the situation would be different but literally this is what’s going to happen: Scott has bad relationship with his daughter ➡️Accident ➡️ Antman and co. met Kang and Modok ➡️ Quirky fast jokes ➡️ Kang proposes faustian deal to Scott ➡️ Scott realizes that Kang’s goal could destroy the world ➡️ Big confrontation teasing Ant-man’s dead ➡️ Probably Pfeiffer or Douglas die as they are the oldest (Marvel never kills the big ones until Avengers) ➡️ Ant-man and family are now happy ➡️ But wait Kang isn’t dead as he has various versions of himself across the multiverse ➡️ Post credit scene featuring Nick Fury ➡️ Pointless post credit scene with quirky jokes.
Fair take Nando, but I will challenge you on the "We both just have to lose" line. Everyone I've talked to said that was the most memorable line in the trailer and it really helped to get me excited about the movie
I feel the same- unless its Verfremdungseffekt or a major part if this movie is going to be time loops... we didn't need to see any of what you've highlighted. It's almost like they've forgotten the power of word of mouth. If the film knocks it out of the park people will rave about it and see it multiple times... If anything the more they show they less good I fear the movie will be
I just hope they don't kill off Scott tbh. I really don't like the trend of "the only resolution to this character's arc is to kill them off" when it really doesn't suit the character. For Iron Man? Sure, it worked well and made sense. But Ant Man? I really don't think it makes sense at all, beyond the fact that he's been in quite a lot of Marvel movies now, and the most recent content has been about introducing new characters.
Happy to see MODOK I guess, wasn’t sure how he’d fit in a live action film but he looks great. I was really afraid of a design similar to the Avengers game but thankfully he looks much more like himself.
If I were a Hollywood hotshot, my contract would give me control of the trailers, and I would insist on excluding anything from the first or last reels. Also, of course, I'd have Nando do script notes before we make one small mistake.
I think the multitude of Ant man is either a torture or a challenge. It seems like a real life possibility tree. Essentially Ant man is running toward something and he sees all versions of himself, everything he could do, every second of existence splits off into a new Ant man
I definitely agree, this was the main feeling I had when I saw the trailer, which disappointed me. I will concede that this could be a bait and switch and it's not as it seems, but I would be very surprised.
*POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT* Okay, so the trailer implies Scott is gonna get fd up and may die. BUT in MOM a variant Dr Strange dies in the first ten minutes, I wouldn't be surprised if a variant Scott dies in the first half hour and we still have zero idea what the rest of the movie is about.
Ooh, like the movie opens with “I thought we had a deal,” and then the Kang vs antman fight. Antman says “we both just have to lose,” and dies, but also destroys something important to Kang. And then Kang asks our Antman to get another for him?
I know you're doing a pitch for it already but just hearing some general thoughts about deadpool 3 on this channel would be cool if that's something you want to talk about.
i couldn't agree more. I had a similar thought that maybe they'll do a switcheroo and most of that turns out to be dream/other dimension/whatever... you never know with kang honestly.
I agree and very much want you to break down bad previews like this in the future. It is a constant frustration for a detail oriented person like myself
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt this way!!! Every line they chose to play of each character basically gives away key moments of the plot, like wtf???
This would not be the first time a trailer spoils such things... I recall in the first Avengers showing in the trailer the exact shot where Hulk saves Iron Man from falling... They showed this in-the-trailer!!! 😔
The wasp thing i agree with you on, although it could be because she's in the title of the film and so they needed at least a certain amount of wasp action in the trailer The ending of the trailer i disagree with you tho. Usually the expectation of a superhero movie is that they win the day at the end and get out absolutely fine. The idea (even if it's a misdirect) that this might be scott's last film and that he might die sacrificing himself to stop kang's plan is a big draw for me and has me more excited for the movie
Have you covered Sony and their marketing before? The series of Spider-Man: Homecoming trailers were atrocious. They not only have away the the plot points, they also gave away individual plot and character beats. The entire ferry sequence and consequences and the beats of the final act. It made watching the movie feel so pointless, like just checking boxes to get to the next scene.
I think marvel is expiramenting with their trailers by showing a bit more to entice more customers. Doctor strange 2 made 950M! I bet if they did not show you the illuminati in the trailer it would have made 700-800M max. I don't like spoilers in trailers but you gotta admit they sell more tickets and that's what matters to the studio in the end.
I have the same opinion of the new Evil Dead trailer. It looks great but some great moments were thrown in the trailer that are now gonna have less impact on first viewing. I used to love trailers but these days I have to avoid them because they are just the spark notes of the movie.
I think the prediction of Scott dying is a misdirection and he'll use magic to deceive Kang. I think the line "I don't have to win" is Hank sacrificing himself to save everyone.
The movie's about 2 and half hours long. These trailers probably add up to less than 10 minutes (including the reused footage between them). We already knew Kang is either going to win or at least set up his return in The Kang Dynasty. Since 'Young Avengers' is in the pipeline, we already know Cassie Lang's going to become Stature (the latest poster basically guaranteed it). All of that information was established MONTHS ago. There's really not much to spoil. To make it work, the film needs some SERIOUS plot twists and an emotional payoff to make up for that.
Here's another one: Scott saying "I thought we had a deal." I don't know if that's the exact words, but yeah. If we're gonna spend any amount of time pondering over whether or not Scott should accept Kang's deal, it would really help if we didn't already know that Kang was going to betray him.
It’s Kang bro…he does that a lot.
@@SinkfieldHoops oh, of course. But if we're just waiting for it to happen then we lose the tension. We always know that the hero is gonna win, but if that's shown in the trailer then there isn't tension when we watch the film.
At least for the normies yeah that’s kinda lame, us nerds know how it’s going to go down already.
@@ronthorn3 💯
@@SinkfieldHoops we know that as fans, but there is a lot of mcu fans that don’t know a character unless it’s on the movies/shows
I actually think the "spoilery" nature of the trailer is narratively intentional. The tagline of the film is "Witness the Beginning of a New Dynasty"; we are meant to go into the film knowing that Kang is the next big bad guy and that he can't traditionally "lose" here. It's dramatic irony. The sales pitch isn't "how is Scott getting out of this one," it's "how badly is this going to go for our heroes?"
ok but imagine if the infinity war trailer had "half of the heroes die in this one" as the sales pitch in order to sell endgame
@@Marabcd315 Infinity War didn’t have Ant-Man as the only main hero in it. Those create very different expectations. You expect the Avengers to be all right in general. You don’t expect Ant-Man to be powerful enough to beat Kang.
@@Marabcd315 tbf that kind of was how comic fans experienced that movie. I remember being surprised that people were shocked that the infinity guantlet adaptation did the most iconic part of that story. That said, spoiling that they actually went through with it, or who would be affected, would have worsened that scene's impact. I think it depends on how you do it.
@@Marabcd315 I mean like originally the moveis were part 1 n 2 when they were shown in their lineup in 2014, we knew infinity war wasn’t going to the end so….I say that logic more applies to endgame and if they had used iron man’s death as marketing tool but they didn’t and since there’s a “part 2” part 1 holds less weight right?
I think they did it on Purpose to let the fans know shit boutta pop off. But we always go the movies to be suprised more than the trailers hyped us up sk they better have more to deliver in the movie if this isn’t the entire plot
As far as I can remember, this has never been a problem for a Marvel Studios movie, so I feel like this movie has a lot more up it’s sleeve than this trailer suggests. Also, producers are saying this movie is as monumental as Civil War, and Ant-Man movies have been some of the less profitable MCU movies, so I feel like they’re really trying to get people out to see this one
This was a problem with the Multiverse of Madness trailer. Kevin Feige himself said he thought the trailer showed too much.
@@jasonschuler2256 too much? Most people didn't think Wanda was going to be te main villain, to me that shows they limited well
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu yeah if you go back into those comments on MoM, majority agree the trailer had than more excited than the more itself. Which likes you says shows that the movie didn’t really give everything ppl thought they were getting and that’s the movies fault not the trailer. Hopefully the same mistake isn’t made with ant man
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu If people couldn’t tell Wanda was the villain from the trailer, then they weren’t paying attention. Plus, it straight-up spoiled the Charles Xavier cameo.
I hope that’s the case cuz if not then this will seem like a Phase 4 movie which is bad. Not for me but this movie should have something more to deliver than us fans pretty much the entire plot. It would really feel like a downer
I agree with the "i only need us both to lose" line, it really just telegraphs the ending
Or does it?
But does it really? What does Scott mean by this? In what situation would both if them lose?
Yes it does telegraph the ending
@@racool911 we don’t know yet, but knowing he says that, everyone is going to figure out what he means 30 minutes into the movie
I liked the trailer a lot personally, but I definitely agree with the criticisms that it showed too much of the plot (especially with the MODOK reveal. What is the point of the mask to reveal the identity in the trailer?). I am trying to stay optimistic that maybe it either lies or there's more that we don't know about that lets them reveal, idk this may just be me being a Marvel junkie but I am trying to stay optimistic despite the weird marketing choice
I feel the same way, honestly, I personally hate the mask design and was hoping we'd get the big goofy face, and we did, but if that was kept until the movie, I'd have been so surprised to see him look so stupid and silly.
People were complaining about the MODOK leak so that is kind of on the people who wanted to see it
I feel like we have that new law to blame for this happening, Marvel and other companies aren't even allowed to mislead and hide things in trailers or else they'll get sued over it, so now they couldn't edit M.O.D.O.K's face out or make scenes like Kang's betrayal look different then what it originally is or else it'll be labeled as "Misleading"
They revealed him in a pointless like one second shot lmao it didn’t need to be in there 🤦♂️
@@AusEditz248 and literally nobody but die hard fans who look up trailer breakdown videos would have noticed it. It's not a big deal.
First thing I thought of when I heard the "we both have to lose" line was the trailer for Homecoming where we see Spider-Man trying to hold the split ferry together...and then Iron Man swoops in and solves it. Would've been dope to watch the movie and think "Well how is Scott gonna get out of this?" "we both have to lose" "oh shit...he's NOT getting out of this..."
The Homecoming example is so much worse, I think. That trailer left no questions unanswered regarding the resolution of the ferry scene.
I've become a bit skeptical of Marvel trailers though--the Hulk running in Wakanda from Infinity War (which of course wasn't actually in the movie) being an example of them using footage that didn't make the final cut/alternate versions to mislead the audience and not give away the whole plot while also drawing you in. Not sure how much I believe everything we saw is actually in the movie or (to your point) how much is WAAAY out of context.
or how Iron Man and Spider-man never actually fought together in Homecoming even though the trailers showed that happening
@@trodgerable-u4i I mean the trailer showed them flying together not fighting
I get where you’re coming from, but I’ve also had a hard time believing that marvel knows better than to spoil things now. After no way home I figured that the Dr. Strange trailer wasn’t showing us everything. But nope, they showed essentially all of the Illuminati except Mr. Fantastic. So I feel like they could’ve spoiled more than they meant to here. Fingers crossed there’s still a whole lot of surprises! :)
@@lightdarksoul2097 that didn't happen either
@@iwatchmovies2much but then the illuminati was leaked
Imagine being Kevin Feige and having every Marvel twist spoiled for you.
It's funny nobody mentioned that the letters "Ant-Man" is literally embedded in the word quANTuMANia
Amazing find!
Or it IS at the beginning and it's a variant Scott Lang and he's the one that loses/dies and sends the call out to alternate Cassie/Scott.
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That would be incredible honestly
I avoided the trailer cause of your tweet, I'll hopefully remember to come back to this video once I see the movie
People went from complaining about the trailers not showing enough to trailers showing too much
Like bro. Come on.
@@ccelite3782 both problems can exist
@@ccelite3782 marvel fan logic
Plot twist: the movie is all about time travel, and the audience being spoiled IS part of the intended experience.
Having just come from the movie, and having avoided seeing the trailer he was talking about, holy crap am I glad I managed to avoid it. There was way too much that he just described that would have been ruined if I saw the trailer
I think you're absolutely right, but for me personally, I nearly forget everything I see in trailers as soon as the movie starts, and only when those shots turn up in the movie do I think to myself "Oh yeah, of course this happens, I've seen this before", so my cinema experience isn't hampered by it, just my general enthusiam going in.
Which weirdly might actually make me enjoy my time watching more, as my expectations and hopes for the film can sometimes hinder my first watch. MoM was like that for me, wasn't a big fan the first time I saw it, because the tone was different to what I thought the trailer projected, but on a second viewing, I knew what I was in for and have come to really enjoy that entry in the MCU.
I didn't even notice the "maskless" MODOK face until I went on Twitter and saw the discourse about it. And I'm pretty plugged into Marvel movies.
Depending on how well this is written, these could be entire misdirects that are consequential in entirely different ways than are thinkable.
That's what I am hoping g
I think the first trailer was way better than this one. Didn't give away too much, music was better and kept Kang shrouded in mystery
The worst is Spider-Man homecomings trailer, that trailer shows the boat being split in half, tony coming to help, tony taking away the suit, then spidey fighting vulture in the homemade suit on the plain. I remembered being pissed when I saw that trailer.
I think a major concern for Marvel Studios is that their trailer get paused and analysed and deconstructed unlike any other. A normal trailer for a mainstream film goes by in 100 seconds and then people move on with their lives, but Marvel have to expect that people will screenshot and zoom and enhance to within an inch of their lives.
The solution to that problem is not putting your whole plot in the trailer.
My thoughts exactly, by the end of the trailer I did feel a lot of the plot points were coming through there
So far the plot looks exactly like the plot for Guardians 2. Ant Man is gonna accept the deal, and screw up a few dimensions, then he’s gonna end up having an army of Ant Mans fighting against Kangs army, then they’re all gonna diminish and it’ll end with just Scott and Kang battling it out.
It seems like the main characters are going to be in the quantum realm for the entirety of the film, and nearly every single clip of Kang takes place in the SAME EXACT PLACE. Makes me feel like we’re actually not gonna see Kang very much during the movie.
Take this with a grain of salt, but according to some plot leaks Kang is only a secondary villain in the movie. Modok has a lot more interaction with the main characters.
@@flowersinawastelandthe first few plot leaks did say that sure but the most recent one posted on MSS subreddit after the first trailer has kang as the main antagonist and modok as the secondary one. But in case that wasn’t enough guess who’s all over the trailers and marketing? It’s kang. We even see what looks like the final battle of the movie and I don’t see ant-man fighting modok. I see ant-man fighting kang.
I found that the worst one was Multiverse of Madness because the very first trailer gave a very clear House of M meets 'The Oath' vibe with Dr Strange waking up from his nightmare to the wedding and 'being the hero' only to set up the conversation with Wanda. It set the story up as needing him to make a decision between his happy life in Wanda's reality vs the 'real world' of his nightmare. So there was a lot of hype only for the scenes in context to be the dumb dreamwalking idea that was used instead of Wanda's reality warping powers. On the flipside Wakanda Forever did the same thing in setting up the main story - but like the best MCU movies it took a hard left - we knew the fight at the end was coming, but it was the HOW far they went to get there that provided the surprise. However having the 'who is Modak' randomly spoiled via a youtuber really sucked. It would have cost them nothing to sit on that secret for a couple of weeks - instead it now feels cheap
It's funny because you're right. It seems like going to see the movies to learn about the first act and all the setup and why, meanwhile we know the conflict and can guess the resolution
Thank you! I said this on Reddit and everyone was clowning on me!
I agree with this video, but the delivery is giving RUclips Apology core
I have literally never seen a movie theater where they play the trailers in the lobby
Could not agree more nando, everything was absolutely nailed on the head. People will defend things or explain things away but this is just an objective fact that marvel shows too much in the trailer
If you watched a few of these movies you can really guess the plot even if the trailer doesn't tell you a lot. I guessed the plot of Ragnarok even before the trailer just based on the news around it.
I'm just hoping the Kang betrayal 'twist' happens early enough in the movie that there's enough left to still surprise
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9:00 it's frustrating how accurately he predicted this, and how easy it was to do
Endgame had the best trailer. It kinda gave us spoilers but least it didn't show us everything and there was a huge guessing to it.
I think the point is to imply to the general audience that Ant Man could die/sacrifice himself. Also I suspect this might be a mid point disguised as a climax (like Black Panther “dying” mid Black Panther).
Didn't you see the tweet from the director saying that everything in the trailer is from the first 15 minutes of the movie?
It may have given away too much, but it’s also the first thing that’s got me hooked into the emotional story potential and make me really eager to see them film, so I don’t mind
I agree 100%, now I know from the trailers that Antman has the attitude in this one to sacrifice himself when I should've have been shocked on this.
This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. There was an Expendables 3 trailer that showed every twist in the movie and pretty much every scene. They really really want a movie to feel 'big' so they show as much as possible. Just like we have "Red Band Trailers" that show the R-Rated Stuff I wish they would make "Blue Band Trailers" or something that don't show anything in a movie that's not in the first x% of its runtime.
“ Real quick video” it’s almost 18 min long
I definitely think it showed us too much, not as much as MoM, but it was a lot
A fun little theory that popped into my head while watching this, with no real foundation whatsoever:
What if that whole scene of Kang vs. Ant-Man happens at the beginning of the movie? The only thing being that this Ant-Man is a variant and not from Earth-616. This Ant-Man says the line "I don't have to win...we both just have to lose" but in context, he does something to sabotage Kang's plan or whatever and steals a crucial component. That's the thing that Kang needs to retrieve and enlists our universe's Ant-Man to help.
ShittyLifeProTip: do a bunch of drugs and alcohol so you dont remember the trailer after you see it
Something I wonder that I just haven't seen anyone bring up. I wonder if this trailer had anything to do with that, Yesterday, lawsuit. Where there is now a precedent that you can be sued for misleading trailers.
Because this is the first trailer post the outcome of that verdict and Marvel trailers have been mentioned as ones that intentionally mislead you.
I didn't connect the Wasp saving Scott thing until you mentioned it, for some reason though I have a feeling not that it's a cleverly edited Cassie scene, but rather a scene we don't have the full context for. Like it appears as though he's being sucked in and Wasp comes to save him, but maybe when we watch the movie we'll see that it's like a dream sequence or that Scott's seeing it and thinks it's Wasp coming to his rescue, when in actuality it's someone else (not Cassie) and he's visualizing it as Wasp.
As far as the "we just both have to lose" line, that definitely does seem like a 3rd act, final battle thing, though I feel like that's Marvel doing their trailer trickery again, in this case editing together two different unconnected scenes to make it seem connected in the trailer. Like I could see the "did you really think you could win" part being in an Act 2 fight (I'm connecting it to the metal face Modok scene in my head), and the "we just both have to lose" part being from a completely different part of the final movie, but the way the trailer is edited, it comes across as those two scenes being connected.
Marvel has shown they know how to get people talking and with things like Wandavision and She-Hulk they've shown they know what people are going to say before the show even comes out. I'm sure this trailer is likely a purposeful misdirect, much like the Captain Marvel trailer misdirected us on the truth about the Skrulls, or the Infinity War trailer with Thanos only having 2 stones during the Battle of Wakanda and Hulk himself being in the trailer instead of the Hulkbuster.
I have a thing, that I don't really do on purpose, where I get so engrossed in the movie that I completely forget about the trailer and any mild spoilers.
Obviously major spoilers are a different story, but for example, I watched the Dr Strange trailer multiple times but completely forgot about zombie Strange while watching the movie.
I haven't watched the trailer and I plan to go into Quantumania as blind as possible, but I will come back and watch after I see the movie, as I'm super on the side of how trailers now adays are showing me too much.
i think the Hope saving him thing will be in the first 45 minutes or so while he's initially searching for the mcguffin for Kang
there will probably be more than what the trailer showed you wouldnt expect. also if you get scared of spoilers than you are just sad.
Well said. As you said, Marvel films market themselves; I'm certain Spider-Man could just use a still image of the number 4 with Spider-Man imagery right up to the release day and diehard fans will respect it more.
I'd like to see trailers like this saved for a week or two after release.
It's gotta be one of the worst trailers for the MCU. Just an aimless, themeless mix of spoilers.
The problem is Ant-Man doesn’t sell. The previous films didn’t make as much as marvels other properties and they want Quantummania to be super successful to launch Kang
I've been saying this for years, trailers these days give out way to much. You can "guess" the whole thing months prior.
"It's Corpsin' Time!" - Dr. Strange, 2022
Plenty of trailers these days, not just superhero flicks, give away a lot. It’s odd cuz yes it gives film hype but it takes away from the surprise. Miss when we only had like 2 trailers & that’s it : no tv spots, no clips, & no more extra trailers
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Questionable as this trailer may be, it doesn't hold a candle to the second Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer. Where the first trailer ended on the exciting cliffhanger of Spider-Man working desperately to hold two pieces of a sinking ferryboat together, the second trailer utterly annihilated any suspense by showing plain as day that Iron Man shows up to save the ferry.
What could have been an nail-biter of a setpiece in theaters was ruined by the marketing that inexplicably felt the need to spoil the resolution.
That got ppl upset!?!? THAT SHIT GOT ME HYPE AF because we know Ant Man ain’t finna beat kang
I feel like they're gonna subvert the whole "we both just gotta lose" scene. They set that up earlier in the trailer
If only there was hint at a character in the movie who lived the same day repeatedly until he had the right outcome. It could be some sort of “Groundhog Day”. 😉
This would mean that we’re witnessing one of a multitude of scenarios that keeps repeating and Ant-man is splitting up to go through all these scenarios to find the outcome where Kang doesn’t win.
Kind of like what Dr. Strange did in Infinity War but with time travel.
Which means the Capt. America isn’t the only one who can do this all day😅
I feel like this is accurate and I’ve been even more spoiled. Good job sir
@@PinaKoalaGaming Don't worry about it. There's a 95% chance that the idea I got while watching the video is wrong 😉
If we know anything about Marvel it's that they do not spoil their movies. Every single trailer people cry out that "they showed too much" and then the movie comes out and it's completely different than we expect
I mean I feel like we already have a pretty clear idea of what’s gonna happen in this movie, trailer or not. Scott and crew are sucked into the quantum realm, they meet Kang, Kang tries to take over the multiverse, Scott and crew try to stop him, they fail, Scott probably dies, Hank too, Kang establishes his dynasty as seen in Loki, stage is set for KD and SW
I think its a good reason for them to have fake scenes in the trailer to thrown people off like they did in Infinity War. Trailers shouldn't show resolutions and contexts
I had this issue with Multiverse of Madness. They showed way too much in the trailers that it took away from the suspense
I'm sure I'm mostly alone in this, but when I saw Iron Man 3 in the theatre and I saw Pepper fall to her "death" I thought it didn't make sense because there was a shot of Pepper in the trailer that hadn't happened yet and then boom she's alive.
The powers that be are scared. Sad to say but that is what I got from the trailer. Great points, can't really argue.
I’d like to believe these things that seem to go together were taken out of context and don’t actually reveal anything
Honestly, considering it takes place in the Quantum Realm where time is wonky and Kang is involve which makes dimensions wobbly, I wouldn't be surprised if aome scenes are bait frlm either a different universe or timeline.
The trailer does give away the whole movie. If Marvel had took more chances after Endgame probably the situation would be different but literally this is what’s going to happen:
Scott has bad relationship with his daughter ➡️Accident ➡️ Antman and co. met Kang and Modok ➡️ Quirky fast jokes ➡️ Kang proposes faustian deal to Scott ➡️ Scott realizes that Kang’s goal could destroy the world ➡️ Big confrontation teasing Ant-man’s dead ➡️ Probably Pfeiffer or Douglas die as they are the oldest (Marvel never kills the big ones until Avengers) ➡️ Ant-man and family are now happy ➡️ But wait Kang isn’t dead as he has various versions of himself across the multiverse ➡️ Post credit scene featuring Nick Fury ➡️ Pointless post credit scene with quirky jokes.
Fair take Nando, but I will challenge you on the "We both just have to lose" line. Everyone I've talked to said that was the most memorable line in the trailer and it really helped to get me excited about the movie
I feel the same- unless its Verfremdungseffekt or a major part if this movie is going to be time loops... we didn't need to see any of what you've highlighted. It's almost like they've forgotten the power of word of mouth. If the film knocks it out of the park people will rave about it and see it multiple times... If anything the more they show they less good I fear the movie will be
That's the problem I have with modern trailers. They just spoil the movie and "disguise" it by feeding you the cut up parts.
I think the main thing is that we don’t really know what Kang wants yet. If that ends up being interesting it could hold up the whole movie.
they did the same thing with multiverse of madness, i feel like with all the tv spots you could kinda piece the whole movie together.
i pieced together an entirely different movie from MoM trailers and i was very disappointed at what it actually was
I just hope they don't kill off Scott tbh. I really don't like the trend of "the only resolution to this character's arc is to kill them off" when it really doesn't suit the character. For Iron Man? Sure, it worked well and made sense. But Ant Man? I really don't think it makes sense at all, beyond the fact that he's been in quite a lot of Marvel movies now, and the most recent content has been about introducing new characters.
In the movie theatre I’m going to yell out “oh no! He’s gonna die” just to please you.
Happy to see MODOK I guess, wasn’t sure how he’d fit in a live action film but he looks great. I was really afraid of a design similar to the Avengers game but thankfully he looks much more like himself.
If I were a Hollywood hotshot, my contract would give me control of the trailers, and I would insist on excluding anything from the first or last reels.
Also, of course, I'd have Nando do script notes before we make one small mistake.
ive read the plot leaks on reddit and it this recent trailer literally shows about 75% of the plot.
I think the multitude of Ant man is either a torture or a challenge. It seems like a real life possibility tree. Essentially Ant man is running toward something and he sees all versions of himself, everything he could do, every second of existence splits off into a new Ant man
I definitely agree, this was the main feeling I had when I saw the trailer, which disappointed me. I will concede that this could be a bait and switch and it's not as it seems, but I would be very surprised.
*POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT*
Okay, so the trailer implies Scott is gonna get fd up and may die. BUT in MOM a variant Dr Strange dies in the first ten minutes, I wouldn't be surprised if a variant Scott dies in the first half hour and we still have zero idea what the rest of the movie is about.
Ooh, like the movie opens with “I thought we had a deal,” and then the Kang vs antman fight. Antman says “we both just have to lose,” and dies, but also destroys something important to Kang. And then Kang asks our Antman to get another for him?
@@oXRaptorzXo Exactly!
I know you're doing a pitch for it already but just hearing some general thoughts about deadpool 3 on this channel would be cool if that's something you want to talk about.
i couldn't agree more. I had a similar thought that maybe they'll do a switcheroo and most of that turns out to be dream/other dimension/whatever... you never know with kang honestly.
Part of me thinks that the movie will end with Scott working for Kang. "We both just have to lose" to a "We can both just win, Scott"
Probably trying not to be sued. Since that’s a thing we do now over movie trailers
I agree and very much want you to break down bad previews like this in the future. It is a constant frustration for a detail oriented person like myself
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt this way!!! Every line they chose to play of each character basically gives away key moments of the plot, like wtf???
I wouldn't put it past them to completely scramble all the scenes before putting the trailer together. They have deceived us before.
This would not be the first time a trailer spoils such things... I recall in the first Avengers showing in the trailer the exact shot where Hulk saves Iron Man from falling... They showed this in-the-trailer!!! 😔
The wasp thing i agree with you on, although it could be because she's in the title of the film and so they needed at least a certain amount of wasp action in the trailer
The ending of the trailer i disagree with you tho. Usually the expectation of a superhero movie is that they win the day at the end and get out absolutely fine. The idea (even if it's a misdirect) that this might be scott's last film and that he might die sacrificing himself to stop kang's plan is a big draw for me and has me more excited for the movie
Now I'm worried people will start complaining if Antman turns out completely fine at the end
Have you covered Sony and their marketing before? The series of Spider-Man: Homecoming trailers were atrocious. They not only have away the the plot points, they also gave away individual plot and character beats. The entire ferry sequence and consequences and the beats of the final act. It made watching the movie feel so pointless, like just checking boxes to get to the next scene.
ive never seen a trailer playing in the lobby of a movie theater?
I think marvel is expiramenting with their trailers by showing a bit more to entice more customers. Doctor strange 2 made 950M! I bet if they did not show you the illuminati in the trailer it would have made 700-800M max. I don't like spoilers in trailers but you gotta admit they sell more tickets and that's what matters to the studio in the end.
My hope is that everything we saw was just from the first 40 minutes.
I have the same opinion of the new Evil Dead trailer. It looks great but some great moments were thrown in the trailer that are now gonna have less impact on first viewing. I used to love trailers but these days I have to avoid them because they are just the spark notes of the movie.
I just can't shake the feeling that Modok is going to look as bad as George Lopez does at the end of Sharkboy and Lava Girl.
What is the best superhero movie trailer in your opinion?
I think the prediction of Scott dying is a misdirection and he'll use magic to deceive Kang. I think the line "I don't have to win" is Hank sacrificing himself to save everyone.
I remember marvel trailers usually only show the first 15,20 minutes of the movie.
I thought it was ok. My worry is it felt like a lot of “noise” so I don’t know if it will appeal to the average movie goer.
The movie's about 2 and half hours long. These trailers probably add up to less than 10 minutes (including the reused footage between them). We already knew Kang is either going to win or at least set up his return in The Kang Dynasty. Since 'Young Avengers' is in the pipeline, we already know Cassie Lang's going to become Stature (the latest poster basically guaranteed it). All of that information was established MONTHS ago. There's really not much to spoil. To make it work, the film needs some SERIOUS plot twists and an emotional payoff to make up for that.
Unless there’s gonna be a bigger spoiler or the big thing could be a Main character death