I operated an A320Neo into LHR yesterday. The conditions were really difficult during the entire approach but were made worse by a sudden shift in wind speed and direction at around 900ft. We received a wind shear warning and performed a go around. The second approach was successful. Maybe those guys had a sudden positive windshear above the ground which gave them too much energy to land. Hard to say, but flying into LHR was rather interesting yesterday 😊
It baffles me how you guys do it. I’ve never got behind the controls of anything bigger than Dimona. My instructor was a 737 pilot(retired) and he reckons the airliners are easier to control than a little Dimona. I’m not so sure, based on the fact you have hundreds of people onboard including women and children. That’s a hell of a responsibility and not something I think a lot of people could get their heads around. All of you airline pilots do incredible jobs under a lot of pressure both corporate and environment. Kudos to you all.
@@MLMaffyou1985 Regarding small vs large planes there are two sides to it. A small GA plane is very sensitive to turbulence and in weather like this would be very difficult to control, whilst an airliner has a lot more weight and inerta to keep it a bit more stable, but at the same time all that mass takes its time when asked to change direction. The engines take a long time to spool up from idle to full power and the plane can feel very sluggish. You need to be ahead of the plane and anticipate. If you fly reactively you will fall behind the curve. This can be challenging especially in gusty conditions. For me this was the biggest challenge when transitioning from the Seneca to the A320. I would say, both GA and large jets have their advantages and disadvantages. At least that is my humble opinion.
I wrote elsewhere:- Was he fast to try and maintain authority of control surfaces in crosswind (possible windshear and/or variable gusts) etc. Sketchy though, I would have thought a go around decision would have by made a little earlier. But hey Im not the pilot and there by the grace of God go I😊🙏💜
I watched it live and have to say my heart was in my mouth, especially when it was blown to the right. Good job getting out of that. Never a dull moment with BJTV 🤣
I worked for BA for fifteen years, most of which flying as cabin crew... I'll tell you what I think of BA pilots: they're fantastic. The best. 100% confidence in them, not a moment's doubt in all the years.
Excellent decision making by the pilots in that situation - they put professionalism (going around) ahead of pride (trying to recover the landing). Having such discipline takes good training - and it is what I would want as a passenger.
That was epic how the pilot tried to get it down first time but then made the choice to go around when he realised he couldn’t get it down. Great skill from the pilot and shows how much effort they put in to Control the aircraft in those conditions
00:24 pilot applies throttle to maintain his V REF so he probably had a sudden air speed drop due to a wind shear 00:31 to 00:33 left wing's aileron and flaperon up so he is hit but a left crosswind 00:32 left rudder to maintain centerline. another confirmation for the left crosswind 00:34 crosswind fades away so with aileron and flaperon still up the plane banks to the left 00:34 right rudder sends the planes nose to the right 00:37 to 00:40 the plane is moving along the runway. the pilot is probably assessing if he/she can somehow manage to align the aircraft with the runway 00:41 plays with horizontal stabilizer to land with left main gear first 00:44 hit by another crosswind 00:45 go around Kudos to the pilot for giving his/her best but the conditions were too bad to land on first shot.
I absolutely love your videos and lives, I remember you reading my messages out about me having my 1st ever flight at the age of 63, and it was all thanks to watching your lives, never stop having fun jerry 💕 you make me laugh 🤣 send hugs to gilly as well 😊😊
Q. 'What do you think happened?' A. ' I've no idea, but let's assert it was "definitely pilot induced" to get some clicks.' There is absolutely no way you can tell what the airspeed was, how it was affected by windshear, etc. etc. Aside from that, great capture and keep up the good work!
Loved the cc subtitles translation of 'pilot enduced' as 'piloting juiced'! The weather was horrible yesterday in all sorts of ways but that wind was gusty, strong and swirly, really unpredictable. It was nasty to walk about in, let alone land an aircraft. Heart in mouth moment to be sure but when it came to it the pilot and the aircraft were on it.
No expert by far, just love the debate, but it looked like classic wind gust on the flare, lost stable approach and got a good dose of crosswind - TOGA. Brilliant coverage as always :D
Another brilliant capture! May I feature this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description as before. Cheers!
Aircraft will always carry more speed in gusty conditions, up to 15-20kts depending on type. Pair that with a slightly high flare and you get a float. Good decision to go around, 300ER is a long beast so tail strike can be a big threat if the go around is too aggressive that low to the ground
I was in the arrivals hall waiting for a friend and overheard a woman telling her friend about the go-around the plane that she was on had gone-around, and explaining why the flight was late. Presumably, this flight!
In stormy gusty conditions, most pilots will add some speed to have reserve airspeed in case of a sudden decrease in headwind (lowering of airspeed). I've not flown anything this size but with the lag of engine spool up and the inertia of the aircraft I'd say the go-around was instigated at about the 36-second mark in the video (at the point you call it as well) but conditions and aforementioned "lag" meant that things didn't go as they "could have". The aircraft went through some fairly intense un-stabilising conditions from 33 sec to 50 seconds. Low and slow not the best way to anticipate longevity. I'm reminded of a question to Albert Einstien |before| he "landed' on his theory of special relativity. asked what does e= Albert and he would have had to answer e="I've got no flippin' idea"....then one day he did, but till then he didn't. :)
How many feet off the ground was this at the point of go around? And even if the wheels touchdown can a go-around still be done, e.g.say if the nose wheel hasn't touched the ground? Incredible piece of footage and piloting skills.
The TOGA switch is inhibited when you’re on the ground but you can still initiate a go-around manually by just applying full thrust and rotating the nose up like a normal take off. There’s a bit more to it than that, but it’s just like a touch and go in a smaller aircraft.
0:22 Never really thought about it before, but the 777 is a BIG plane. This particular model, G-STBG, is a 777-336(ER) At 242 feet, 4 inches, it is longer than a A380 238 feet, 6 inches
I was on an A320 on Sunday morning taking off from LHR going to Lisbon, the takeoff felt like any normal day. Great flight and great result for the mighty Gunners!
I was on a 777 coming in from Chicago early yesterday morning, we had a similar experience (! 🤢)… don’t suppose you managed to capture it did you? BA294 - first attempt just before 7am! I’d love to see what it looked like from the outside!
Check the Think Planes coverage of LHR yesterday. They were filming for quite a long time; in fact, they caught Jerry's flight in from Seattle on Virgin Atlantic (they'd been filming ANC and were flying home).
"seems to be fast" That's an assumption based on nothing Thrust power approach the treashold; so NOT fast but slow. The high flair in ground effect causes the float. What were the winds like.
Thoughts, he flared too soon. He wasn't carrying too much speed, you're already bleeding off +5 knots (or whatever addition is added) on the vref speed over the threshold.
It’s probably a combination of untimely positive shear (gust) and late destabilisation of the approach - the pilot did a momentary check of descent before continuing, but the appeared to do an early flare, after which it was “all over, red rover”. Very entertaining though…😂
Unstable approach, and go around. At no point was there excess speed on approach. Airspeed was around 140-150kts, which, on the heavies is about right, the throttle spool up you hear will have been due to a sudden wind gust.
@@cal7875Believe it or not if you have the slightest bit of knowledge it doesn't take a pilot to know what is and isn't a stable approach. The same can't be said for inventing speed calls etc like the title of this video.
Heavy metal 🎶 These big jets have a lot of thrust. You only need to watch air show footage to see how capable they are when not being flown within restrictive airline load parameters.
Wow the balls on that pilot to take her in has close has he did. Wow Jerry has always great footage. And pilot on the off chance u see n read this wow I thought 4 a second u touched n this is why u get paid the big bucks super aport
Jerry that's me quite a lot o watching back great video has always wow who me does the pilot thtilink he is? Lol he he keeps goin till he can't win to pillows r.. Wow Jerry u catcher this, Jerry Ginney well done
I'm no aviation expert, but I have studied physics. I guess that in turbulent winds a higher speed may be required to prevent a stall; this could explain the speed here.
I cant tell the speed , as I’m not in the flight deck , nor can anyone else . It’s a slight over flare , then the inevitable GA. Incidentally TOGA is the flight director and autothrottle mode , not what we call it it. The call is “ Go around , flap 20 “ .
I operated an A320Neo into LHR yesterday. The conditions were really difficult during the entire approach but were made worse by a sudden shift in wind speed and direction at around 900ft. We received a wind shear warning and performed a go around. The second approach was successful.
Maybe those guys had a sudden positive windshear above the ground which gave them too much energy to land.
Hard to say, but flying into LHR was rather interesting yesterday 😊
👏💪well done all of you!!
It baffles me how you guys do it.
I’ve never got behind the controls of anything bigger than Dimona. My instructor was a 737 pilot(retired) and he reckons the airliners are easier to control than a little Dimona. I’m not so sure, based on the fact you have hundreds of people onboard including women and children. That’s a hell of a responsibility and not something I think a lot of people could get their heads around. All of you airline pilots do incredible jobs under a lot of pressure both corporate and environment. Kudos to you all.
@@MLMaffyou1985 Regarding small vs large planes there are two sides to it. A small GA plane is very sensitive to turbulence and in weather like this would be very difficult to control, whilst an airliner has a lot more weight and inerta to keep it a bit more stable, but at the same time all that mass takes its time when asked to change direction.
The engines take a long time to spool up from idle to full power and the plane can feel very sluggish.
You need to be ahead of the plane and anticipate. If you fly reactively you will fall behind the curve. This can be challenging especially in gusty conditions.
For me this was the biggest challenge when transitioning from the Seneca to the A320.
I would say, both GA and large jets have their advantages and disadvantages. At least that is my humble opinion.
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I wrote elsewhere:-
Was he fast to try and maintain authority of control surfaces in crosswind (possible windshear and/or variable gusts) etc. Sketchy though, I would have thought a go around decision would have by made a little earlier. But hey Im not the pilot and there by the grace of God go I😊🙏💜
It always amazes me how maneuverable these big, heavy jets are. The pilots skills are very impressive too.
I watched it live and have to say my heart was in my mouth, especially when it was blown to the right. Good job getting out of that. Never a dull moment with BJTV 🤣
That was shown on our 6pm news tonight, here in New Zealand :)
I worked for BA for fifteen years, most of which flying as cabin crew... I'll tell you what I think of BA pilots: they're fantastic. The best. 100% confidence in them, not a moment's doubt in all the years.
Excellent decision making by the pilots in that situation - they put professionalism (going around) ahead of pride (trying to recover the landing). Having such discipline takes good training - and it is what I would want as a passenger.
Scary as a passenger😮 The pilot did a good job!
Jerry with the 'Oasis revival' haircut.
The power these engines have to get out of that situation is incredible.
And it wouldn’t even be full thrust either.
That was epic how the pilot tried to get it down first time but then made the choice to go around when he realised he couldn’t get it down. Great skill from the pilot and shows how much effort they put in to Control the aircraft in those conditions
Amazing stamina to jump straight off the Anchorage flight and get out to film yesterday. Well done mate! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
00:24 pilot applies throttle to maintain his V REF so he probably had a sudden air speed drop due to a wind shear
00:31 to 00:33 left wing's aileron and flaperon up so he is hit but a left crosswind
00:32 left rudder to maintain centerline. another confirmation for the left crosswind
00:34 crosswind fades away so with aileron and flaperon still up the plane banks to the left
00:34 right rudder sends the planes nose to the right
00:37 to 00:40 the plane is moving along the runway. the pilot is probably assessing if he/she can somehow manage to align the aircraft with the runway
00:41 plays with horizontal stabilizer to land with left main gear first
00:44 hit by another crosswind
00:45 go around
Kudos to the pilot for giving his/her best but the conditions were too bad to land on first shot.
My heart stopped when I saw this yesterday live! Afterwards, this looks amazing! ✈️🙌
I absolutely love your videos and lives, I remember you reading my messages out about me having my 1st ever flight at the age of 63, and it was all thanks to watching your lives, never stop having fun jerry 💕 you make me laugh 🤣 send hugs to gilly as well 😊😊
I will never tire og watching these amazing, beautiful machines…. ❤
Q. 'What do you think happened?'
A. ' I've no idea, but let's assert it was "definitely pilot induced" to get some clicks.'
There is absolutely no way you can tell what the airspeed was, how it was affected by windshear, etc. etc.
Aside from that, great capture and keep up the good work!
Exactly. This bloke really does chat 💩 As a professional pilot I find him incredibly irritating.
Fair play to you guys for getting out there after your marathon "commute"! Great show as always.
Very impressed by the pilot skills yesterday. Especially the A380 pilots. Amazing.
Pax must have thought they were going to land on the grass 😂
Not as dramatic as one of your previous responses: "Oh, Oh, No, No, Oh, Stop it!!'
@@AndrewLumsden no that was when Gilly was giving Jerry a Chinese burn 🤣
Loved the cc subtitles translation of 'pilot enduced' as 'piloting juiced'! The weather was horrible yesterday in all sorts of ways but that wind was gusty, strong and swirly, really unpredictable. It was nasty to walk about in, let alone land an aircraft. Heart in mouth moment to be sure but when it came to it the pilot and the aircraft were on it.
No expert by far, just love the debate, but it looked like classic wind gust on the flare, lost stable approach and got a good dose of crosswind - TOGA. Brilliant coverage as always :D
Saw this on the livestream and couldn't believe it!!
Fantastic, Super humans doing what they do best, Fly
Oh my goodness that was scary well done to the pilot
pilots
Wow that was crazy 😱
Well done for the pilot
The power those engines have to pull up an aircraft that heavy, at such short notice with that much ease is extraordinary.
Another brilliant capture! May I feature this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description as before. Cheers!
Go ahead!
Holy cow that looked gnarly
Hats of to the pilots for making the right call
Smart man. TOGA. Get up and out of there. All I can say is wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😂😂😂😂
Well done to all pilots in instances like this.
Great camera work Jerry.
Sorry, was Jerry wearing a wig? 😂. Nice video, those pilots have a hard job.
More like just taken a beenie hat off.
@@nigelarmstrong252 or still had it on
Well done to the flight crew! A safe decision by a highly professional crew. Go around actioned before the blue truck blocks the view.
Complementary underwear for all passengers!
😂😂😂
I saw this on the news today Jerry amazing stuff!
one of the best I have ever seen
Incredible skill, I bet there were a few passengers with very white knuckles after that
Your video aired on Channel 7 news in Adelaide, South Australia.
Hope you’re all safe. X
Not a landing I want to take part in. Yikes. Respect to all pilots landing at LHR yesterday
Wellington , NZ on a good day.
Fair play for trying it mate. Love it
Pilots with balls of steel
Jerry was actually quite calm on the commentary by his standards.
😂
Seriously watching all these planes has me scared to go on them lol …but it’s amazing how these pilots handle them …
Saw his mother in law with an invite to Christmas lunch… and thought otherwise 😂😂
lol !
Aircraft will always carry more speed in gusty conditions, up to 15-20kts depending on type. Pair that with a slightly high flare and you get a float. Good decision to go around, 300ER is a long beast so tail strike can be a big threat if the go around is too aggressive that low to the ground
I nearly soiled my kecks watching that one live Jerry 😵💫👍
I was in the arrivals hall waiting for a friend and overheard a woman telling her friend about the go-around the plane that she was on had gone-around, and explaining why the flight was late. Presumably, this flight!
Flippin eck!
Crazy scenes!!
In stormy gusty conditions, most pilots will add some speed to have reserve airspeed in case of a sudden decrease in headwind (lowering of airspeed). I've not flown anything this size but with the lag of engine spool up and the inertia of the aircraft I'd say the go-around was instigated at about the 36-second mark in the video (at the point you call it as well) but conditions and aforementioned "lag" meant that things didn't go as they "could have". The aircraft went through some fairly intense un-stabilising conditions from 33 sec to 50 seconds. Low and slow not the best way to anticipate longevity. I'm reminded of a question to Albert Einstien |before| he "landed' on his theory of special relativity. asked what does e= Albert and he would have had to answer e="I've got no flippin' idea"....then one day he did, but till then he didn't. :)
It doesn’t take that long to initiate a go around. A few seconds and pitching up is all.
As a nervous flyer im so glad I wasnt on that flight 🙈
Straight to the pub after landing guys, eish 😳 🍺
I bet the passengers left their stomachs behind 😅
😮 oh! Glad I wasn't on that flight. Momentarily panic time.😂
How many feet off the ground was this at the point of go around? And even if the wheels touchdown can a go-around still be done, e.g.say if the nose wheel hasn't touched the ground? Incredible piece of footage and piloting skills.
The TOGA switch is inhibited when you’re on the ground but you can still initiate a go-around manually by just applying full thrust and rotating the nose up like a normal take off. There’s a bit more to it than that, but it’s just like a touch and go in a smaller aircraft.
Could have been a blast of positive windshear as she came down that last bit of the approach. Who knows.
Generally, air travel is too tame! Great work Jerry Dyer. 😊
Aaaand that's how we like it...😄😅
0:22 Never really thought about it before, but the 777 is a BIG plane. This particular model, G-STBG, is a 777-336(ER)
At 242 feet, 4 inches, it is longer than a A380 238 feet, 6 inches
Also longer than the 747-400
I was on an A320 on Sunday morning taking off from LHR going to Lisbon, the takeoff felt like any normal day. Great flight and great result for the mighty Gunners!
My first ever flight was on a United Airlines Boeing 777-200 to LHR from IAH. I loved that flight and it definitely solidified my love for planes
All the pilot wanted was a decent coffee ☕️ 😋 😂
I was on a 777 coming in from Chicago early yesterday morning, we had a similar experience (! 🤢)… don’t suppose you managed to capture it did you?
BA294 - first attempt just before 7am! I’d love to see what it looked like from the outside!
Check the Think Planes coverage of LHR yesterday. They were filming for quite a long time; in fact, they caught Jerry's flight in from Seattle on Virgin Atlantic (they'd been filming ANC and were flying home).
@@Scotteamus Thank you! I'm pretty sure mine was the one at 4:42 in his coverage (that he just missed!) 😩
Big float should have taken decision of GA a bit earlier , but who am I to say. Fair play for attempting it ..
U feel for the passengers on that flight 🤢
Passengers underwear was a total loss
Slight increase of airspeed on final helps combat instability but problem last 10 metres is ya problem - unstable
Trust in the skill of the pilot.
Got featured on BBC again Jerry! 🎉
WOW, fair comment to the flight crew, they tried but, had to call it rather that risk it getting really nasty. 👍👍👍👍👍
Holly crap wonder what the passengers were thinking and feeling? I would freak out
Jerry, are you wearing a rug?❤
Classic touch n go Jeremy 😂 diapers issued by cabin crew. 😅😅
"seems to be fast" That's an assumption based on nothing
Thrust power approach the treashold; so NOT fast but slow.
The high flair in ground effect causes the float.
What were the winds like.
If I were a pilot, I would perform go arounds every single time, even when I didnt need to.
Thoughts, he flared too soon. He wasn't carrying too much speed, you're already bleeding off +5 knots (or whatever addition is added) on the vref speed over the threshold.
This time of year, lots of wind sheer in Maine.....
Loves it!!!
That was cool 😎
That’s why we get paid the big bucks!!
Impressive
It’s probably a combination of untimely positive shear (gust) and late destabilisation of the approach - the pilot did a momentary check of descent before continuing, but the appeared to do an early flare, after which it was “all over, red rover”. Very entertaining though…😂
WOW 😮😮😮
How many passengers had dirty undies when exiting the plane? That was crazy...
amazing
I think someone’s haircut needs a go around.
Unstable approach, and go around. At no point was there excess speed on approach. Airspeed was around 140-150kts, which, on the heavies is about right, the throttle spool up you hear will have been due to a sudden wind gust.
Wow…were you the pilot?!! 😂
@@cal7875Believe it or not if you have the slightest bit of knowledge it doesn't take a pilot to know what is and isn't a stable approach. The same can't be said for inventing speed calls etc like the title of this video.
@ oh yeah? You knew the exact energy state of the jet? Damn man… wow! 😂
What was his wind additive for that specific approach?
Oh wow 😮🙈😊
Heavy metal 🎶
These big jets have a lot of thrust.
You only need to watch air show footage to see how capable they are when not being flown within restrictive airline load parameters.
As a pilot I know if the wheels tough the ground in a go around they get charged money but if it does not they do not get charged for an extra landing
Floated it in the flare and/or a gust just at the wrong time, either way a good decision to go around, rather than force a bad situation.
I was on that flight and I pooped my panties.
Bet there was a few touch and goes on that flight from the passengers 😂
Wow the balls on that pilot to take her in has close has he did. Wow Jerry has always great footage. And pilot on the off chance u see n read this wow I thought 4 a second u touched n this is why u get paid the big bucks super aport
Jerry that's me quite a lot o watching back great video has always wow who me does the pilot thtilink he is? Lol he he keeps goin till he can't win to pillows r.. Wow Jerry u catcher this, Jerry Ginney well done
I'm no aviation expert, but I have studied physics. I guess that in turbulent winds a higher speed may be required to prevent a stall; this could explain the speed here.
What higher speed? Who was reading the airspeed indicator? You? The video commentator? lol
I cant tell the speed , as I’m not in the flight deck , nor can anyone else . It’s a slight over flare , then the inevitable GA. Incidentally TOGA is the flight director and autothrottle mode , not what we call it it. The call is “ Go around , flap 20 “ .