I'd love feral to be slower, and not having to spam out globals all the time. I would love to be able to sit on combo points and energy and just maintain my dots. But the problem is I dont trust blizz any more to be able to do that.
I'm positive about how this all looks so far. I like that we're heading into a more methodical, slow but high damage playstyle. I don't mind and it's actually been quite fun to have to think fast between gcds throughout df, but having to think about not becoming energy locked instead of being constantly gcd locked sounds like a nice change of pace. I guess it's just all up to blizz to see if they pull it off with the right tuning of course. Love your content and input psy :]
I like a slow, calculated style of feral that relies on bleeds rather than spamming out globals, so I liked their reasoning for these changes. It just remains to be seen if they can successfully achieve that. Also I'm so glad they are finally making lunar inspiration be affected by mastery.
Not sure if this was covered or not but what is the interaction with taste for blood, apex, and Ravage? If you get an apex proc and a ravage proc, does the apex proc expend ravage? Does taste for blood increase ravage damage?
Thank you for your insights on the Feral changes. Of course I'd love to see more Feral/WoW content from you in the future. You've helped make me a better cat!
Feral depending on bleeds to be buffed ia scary. Not because i dont want most of my.dmg to be from bleeds, no I love dots! But because eversince legion blizz has shown an unwillingness to let bleeds do dmg
The devs want energy to become more of a problem for Ferals - doesn't sound sexy at all. Considering that mana is just a decoration for Warlocks, I think that's pretty cheeky. I almost feel like I'm suffocating because I'm waiting for the energy, which in the end doesn't give me as much dmg as a Demon Hunter who just so easily destroys the whole group with the push of a button. Looks like a char change to me
Slower is better for us in pvp, too. When we are tuned around infinite energy we need high uptime in pvp, which actually goes against what you want as a feral. You want to be kiting out, running in bursting, and then running out. Slower energy means the abilities will have to do more damage when we have energy, if you get my logic (assuming they don't just nerf our overall damage, which is supposedly not the goal).
I recall Ian saying in one interview that, in new expansions, they always work on druids first because they are the hardest class to get right (given the nature of having 4 specs). Once Druids is in a good place, I imagine you'll see a period where nothing is being updated for them.
Switching between melee and ranged this expansion and up ended up settling for feral I don't claim to the best feral in the world but no better feeling than playing a cat right I will be honest I'm not sure if this is good thing for feral I like the quick play style its keeps on you on your toes and being able to react things alot of faster but I'm little concerned for feral though I really hope they havnt slowed it down too much and again this is subject to change so you know I think will wait till warwithin drops and see what the crack is and test it for my self
I used to LOVE feral but now it feels like a huge glass cannon. Also I don't think you should be hard casting spells like Cyclone and others and should be forced to leave your Feral form. I don't know, this spec has potential to be the most fun but geez you just can't compete with these Demon Hunters and others...
from reading through the talent changes it seems to me that they want haste to get a lot more valuable than it has been in DF. also we have more pronounced dps windows since we don't get to permanently have tigers fury running in m+.
Mained Feral and it sounds like we are going back to WotLK times. I’m pretty disappointed as I was hoping they would make Druid a bit dynamic vs continued energy/bleed management.
The TF change is why I will likely be coming back to feral for TWW. I really hated how dependent feral strength in AoE was based on if a mob dies or not, and whether you hit TF before the next mob dies. Also, the changes to make it easier to switch to bear for defensives without losing dps is just 👌
I don’t think slow gameplay is good for mid level m+ and that wouldn’t be a problem except you kinda have to do mid level m+ to get to the levels where things live long enough for bleeds to do damage.
I don't really play high-end content so I'm not really concerned with numbers, but I really like the fantasy of Feral Wildstalker. I know Adaptive Swarm is already a thing, but combining it with these vines makes me feel more...druidy? Like we're not just a cat that claws things, we are still a spellcaster that wields the full breadth of the powers of nature. We just get to keep doing that, while staying in Cat Form all the time. It's giving me the exact fantasy I felt was missing from Feral.
Yup I tried to tweet that to blizzard people a few times but never got any response. Imagine being a Druid of the nightmare and causing nightmare dream induced bleeds and stuns by being close to enemies for too long. Plus all the fear applications they could have made.
the ravage-convoke interraction sounds like intentional and there is a talent that supports it to not hold or de-sync your cd's or any other cringe thing, which guarantees a ravage proc once you enter use your first tigers fury
Absolutely. It's very early alpha. Our damage right now seems really high in all my testing but we're not yet in the number tuning stage. Hopefully it stays up
Bliz for the love of god give us a damn burst build of some kind. I get it’s a bleed based spec, but give us 2 talent choices, primal can be an all in one damage, not bleed, and buff brutal slash a touch to make open world more fun. Tired of setting low damage bleeds to mobs and then not trying to kite into other trash packs
@@Frosty616. in the end it wouldnt matter if they made another talent build. Because more or less every player would pick the one that gave the most output..
Bear weaving on druid of the claw will replace some of those globals where we are low energy. I'm unclear on why you would take starfire and sunfire over rejuv and remove corruption :D
Alternatively, instead of keeping ravage + convoke interaction as it currently is, I would much prefer they add a choice node to the hero talents that just replaces ferocious bites in convoke with ravages baseline. I think depending on where they put it as a choice node that would be great to provide us potentially a more meaningful choice and spice up convoke as an ability. Would also look sick.
LoL....we will be with the low bleed dps....its literally the same as assasin rogues.. lets build our dots but watch a outlaw/ret or bm hunter go right into their crazy aoe burst.😂😂 Should play a shitty class to wait for end game gears to max up with a ret pally/bm hunter/outlaw rogues dps 20 ilvls lower..
Feral was already energy starved (Single Target) in DF and they still nerf the energy gain. It's so true that designers don't actually play the game. the tiger refresh nerf hits really hard and this could be the end of feral in M+ in my opinion. Like when you see mages/locks/priest bursting down mobs with all the buttons and we're just meleeing, doing nothing else and watching our energy at 10 LMAO. I wonder what a big number they are paying us back to make up for this loss
You clearly don't understand what's going on here, and you clearly only focus on % damage or damage itself. If you play with Clarity and Momentum + the new additions of Haste in out tool kit + making us want to get a little more Haste in our stats you will see how your rotation will feel more smoth and less clunky.
@@Arlothar You clearly don't understand what I was saying. And I play more M+ high keys as feral than 99% of WOW players. I don't understand what you're trying to imply here. Do you even realize how much energy we will lose in an entire M+ run because tiger's fury can no longer be refreshed? I trust you can do better, it's the simplest math. Also, you can stack haste at any time, even in DF, and at the price of what? Less other stats (crit, mastery) of course. And what does that mean?
Dh phylosophy for devs infinite mobility and damage with 3 buttons, dev with ferals "go slower", where is the fantasy in this? We are not a komodo dragon who bites and waits the victm to die from bleeds, and I want to see if they will do the same with assa rogue, because they have more energy than feral, I play both on live and I can tell you, assa rogue has energy for ages
Change is trash. It’s so boring honestly and I know blizzard. They don’t know how to tune it to do damage properly. I like how it is now other then tuning numbers I think it was fine and fun. Biting everything and making aoe packs bleed. Honestly they are just going to make feral worse then ever with the slower play and the reduced range with no serviceability increases. We are going to get one shot in melee pretty often and while we are alive we will do no damage.
I'd love feral to be slower, and not having to spam out globals all the time. I would love to be able to sit on combo points and energy and just maintain my dots. But the problem is I dont trust blizz any more to be able to do that.
I'm positive about how this all looks so far. I like that we're heading into a more methodical, slow but high damage playstyle. I don't mind and it's actually been quite fun to have to think fast between gcds throughout df, but having to think about not becoming energy locked instead of being constantly gcd locked sounds like a nice change of pace. I guess it's just all up to blizz to see if they pull it off with the right tuning of course.
Love your content and input psy :]
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The change is awesome! Like being able to play bleed specced again.
I like a slow, calculated style of feral that relies on bleeds rather than spamming out globals, so I liked their reasoning for these changes. It just remains to be seen if they can successfully achieve that. Also I'm so glad they are finally making lunar inspiration be affected by mastery.
Not sure if this was covered or not but what is the interaction with taste for blood, apex, and Ravage? If you get an apex proc and a ravage proc, does the apex proc expend ravage? Does taste for blood increase ravage damage?
Good question. So ravage + apex will combine the two effects. You'll get the benefit of both
I've been waiting for this video for ages, thank you man
Thank you for your insights on the Feral changes. Of course I'd love to see more Feral/WoW content from you in the future. You've helped make me a better cat!
23:17 - Facts! Definitely think the visuals on Ravage should be similar to convoke, you know what's going down when you see convoke going off.
Way I see it, massive attack (I will always call it that) is the replacement for rampant ferocity.
Feral depending on bleeds to be buffed ia scary. Not because i dont want most of my.dmg to be from bleeds, no I love dots!
But because eversince legion blizz has shown an unwillingness to let bleeds do dmg
The devs want energy to become more of a problem for Ferals - doesn't sound sexy at all. Considering that mana is just a decoration for Warlocks, I think that's pretty cheeky. I almost feel like I'm suffocating because I'm waiting for the energy, which in the end doesn't give me as much dmg as a Demon Hunter who just so easily destroys the whole group with the push of a button. Looks like a char change to me
Slower is better for us in pvp, too. When we are tuned around infinite energy we need high uptime in pvp, which actually goes against what you want as a feral. You want to be kiting out, running in bursting, and then running out. Slower energy means the abilities will have to do more damage when we have energy, if you get my logic (assuming they don't just nerf our overall damage, which is supposedly not the goal).
I agree to a point, but in open world, I would like something bursty non bleed so I can kill mobs and not kite into an unexpected pac lol
I recall Ian saying in one interview that, in new expansions, they always work on druids first because they are the hardest class to get right (given the nature of having 4 specs). Once Druids is in a good place, I imagine you'll see a period where nothing is being updated for them.
Switching between melee and ranged this expansion and up ended up settling for feral I don't claim to the best feral in the world but no better feeling than playing a cat right I will be honest I'm not sure if this is good thing for feral I like the quick play style its keeps on you on your toes and being able to react things alot of faster but I'm little concerned for feral though I really hope they havnt slowed it down too much and again this is subject to change so you know I think will wait till warwithin drops and see what the crack is and test it for my self
I used to LOVE feral but now it feels like a huge glass cannon. Also I don't think you should be hard casting spells like Cyclone and others and should be forced to leave your Feral form. I don't know, this spec has potential to be the most fun but geez you just can't compete with these Demon Hunters and others...
from reading through the talent changes it seems to me that they want haste to get a lot more valuable than it has been in DF. also we have more pronounced dps windows since we don't get to permanently have tigers fury running in m+.
They're doing it to every spec that scales bad with haste
Mained Feral and it sounds like we are going back to WotLK times. I’m pretty disappointed as I was hoping they would make Druid a bit dynamic vs continued energy/bleed management.
I’m just waiting till we can go back to the incarn build
The TF change is why I will likely be coming back to feral for TWW.
I really hated how dependent feral strength in AoE was based on if a mob dies or not, and whether you hit TF before the next mob dies.
Also, the changes to make it easier to switch to bear for defensives without losing dps is just 👌
I don’t think slow gameplay is good for mid level m+ and that wouldn’t be a problem except you kinda have to do mid level m+ to get to the levels where things live long enough for bleeds to do damage.
Bleeds need to either tick for more damage or tick faster… something has to change
I don't really play high-end content so I'm not really concerned with numbers, but I really like the fantasy of Feral Wildstalker. I know Adaptive Swarm is already a thing, but combining it with these vines makes me feel more...druidy? Like we're not just a cat that claws things, we are still a spellcaster that wields the full breadth of the powers of nature. We just get to keep doing that, while staying in Cat Form all the time. It's giving me the exact fantasy I felt was missing from Feral.
Every expansion i been waiting for blizz to smash feral but damn legit didn't have fun as feral since MOP honestly
I'm super late to this, but I think Feral in 8.3 in my opinion was peak. I loved sickle of the lion and I'd wish they'd bring that back!
So ursine potential does less damage than shred lol
Druid of the Flame and Druid of the Nightmare would have been awesome Hero talents.
Yup I tried to tweet that to blizzard people a few times but never got any response. Imagine being a Druid of the nightmare and causing nightmare dream induced bleeds and stuns by being close to enemies for too long. Plus all the fear applications they could have made.
the ravage-convoke interraction sounds like intentional and there is a talent that supports it to not hold or de-sync your cd's or any other cringe thing, which guarantees a ravage proc once you enter use your first tigers fury
Yeah hopefully it's intended. Makes it feel a lot stronger and allows convoke to have more aoe application
That's what I loved about the RF convoke build in mythic+. Felt great to press in aoe
A war within made me laugh way harder than it should have 😂
do you think we will see more feral changes/tuning?
Absolutely. It's very early alpha. Our damage right now seems really high in all my testing but we're not yet in the number tuning stage. Hopefully it stays up
I hope Wildstalker will become the meta talent build, so feral could be move away from bite spam gameplay
Bliz for the love of god give us a damn burst build of some kind. I get it’s a bleed based spec, but give us 2 talent choices, primal can be an all in one damage, not bleed, and buff brutal slash a touch to make open world more fun. Tired of setting low damage bleeds to mobs and then not trying to kite into other trash packs
Ye give talent tree in a talent tree.. lol. You picked a bleed class.
@@Riddick608 lol I’m aware, but with all the rebuilds. Maybe feral will get a spec or some love for that
@@Frosty616. in the end it wouldnt matter if they made another talent build. Because more or less every player would pick the one that gave the most output..
Bear weaving on druid of the claw will replace some of those globals where we are low energy. I'm unclear on why you would take starfire and sunfire over rejuv and remove corruption :D
Alternatively, instead of keeping ravage + convoke interaction as it currently is, I would much prefer they add a choice node to the hero talents that just replaces ferocious bites in convoke with ravages baseline. I think depending on where they put it as a choice node that would be great to provide us potentially a more meaningful choice and spice up convoke as an ability. Would also look sick.
LoL....we will be with the low bleed dps....its literally the same as assasin rogues.. lets build our dots but watch a outlaw/ret or bm hunter go right into their crazy aoe burst.😂😂 Should play a shitty class to wait for end game gears to max up with a ret pally/bm hunter/outlaw rogues dps 20 ilvls lower..
Feral was already energy starved (Single Target) in DF and they still nerf the energy gain. It's so true that designers don't actually play the game. the tiger refresh nerf hits really hard and this could be the end of feral in M+ in my opinion. Like when you see mages/locks/priest bursting down mobs with all the buttons and we're just meleeing, doing nothing else and watching our energy at 10 LMAO. I wonder what a big number they are paying us back to make up for this loss
You clearly don't understand what's going on here, and you clearly only focus on % damage or damage itself. If you play with Clarity and Momentum + the new additions of Haste in out tool kit + making us want to get a little more Haste in our stats you will see how your rotation will feel more smoth and less clunky.
@@Arlothar You clearly don't understand what I was saying. And I play more M+ high keys as feral than 99% of WOW players. I don't understand what you're trying to imply here. Do you even realize how much energy we will lose in an entire M+ run because tiger's fury can no longer be refreshed? I trust you can do better, it's the simplest math. Also, you can stack haste at any time, even in DF, and at the price of what? Less other stats (crit, mastery) of course. And what does that mean?
@@godwoken1705go drink another monster
@@Leftside08 buy me one
23:27 wtf that reay shit, what now is is realy cool, Why do you have to exaggerate, the sound is enough?
Dh phylosophy for devs infinite mobility and damage with 3 buttons, dev with ferals "go slower", where is the fantasy in this? We are not a komodo dragon who bites and waits the victm to die from bleeds, and I want to see if they will do the same with assa rogue, because they have more energy than feral, I play both on live and I can tell you, assa rogue has energy for ages
Really wish this video was more organized
Everyone else that's watched seemed to manage just fine.
@@Psybear_tv Sure. Still wish it was more organized.
@@stargaze8336 oh nice categories got added
The druid designer/balancer must be fired... bad class in 3 expansions... Who play feral now?
Our hero talent is basically the removed RF talent but with an energy proc #AINTNOWAY
Change is trash. It’s so boring honestly and I know blizzard. They don’t know how to tune it to do damage properly. I like how it is now other then tuning numbers I think it was fine and fun. Biting everything and making aoe packs bleed. Honestly they are just going to make feral worse then ever with the slower play and the reduced range with no serviceability increases. We are going to get one shot in melee pretty often and while we are alive we will do no damage.
2024 and they think feral should play like classic? If I wanted to play a slow class I would play classic, I am so so Sad, realy mad.
Thats the way feral played for most of the time
Agree. Slow just feels bad
4 min of waffling on about nothing. Make a script lol.
I'll make a 60 sec TikTok with temple run in the background for you next time. Lmao
@@Psybear_tv XDDDDDDDDDDD