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Do the Top Gun Maverick mission!!!
Lightning vs Lightning II
A-4 vs F-18/F-35. Modern day Top Gun
Can you do a P-38 vs Mosquito??
Aermacchi MB-339 in a dog fight or trying to take-out ground targets.
The A-4's at Top Gun were also modified and really stripped down while the F-14's were going into those training scenarios with a payload comparable of what they would bring into combat. They were basically a poor man's F-16 at that point.
the Top Gun A-4s were the Mongoose and SuperFox.. they had more powerfull engines, striped avionics, welded shut the front slats and some stuff.. there is plenty info arrond.. pilots said that despite being subsonic they were rockets as they had a high thrust to weight ratio.. much better than standard Skyhawks
So they were basically hot rod A-4s
And the mongoose was only meant to simulate the mig 17 and mig 19 or jets of the like
They were very much a problem for a f-14A and still in the fight with a B or D model Tomcat. Saying they were out classed in every way is unfortunately just not true in just about everyway. A lot of the instructors that flew the A-4 mongoose consider it to be there favorite plane period.
@@stevenaskew2897 the DCS version is an earlier variant of the A-4 with a less powerful engine and heavier weight due to the avionics and equipment. Hence why it doesn't share the same advantages the Top Gun A-4s enjoyed. The A-4 in DCS is an E model rated at about 38kN of thrust, compared to the 50kN rated engines of the upgraded F models used by the Top Gun program
“These fighters are smaller, faster and more manoeuvrable, just like the enemy MiGs. The clock is ticking and as of now we are keeping score.” Jester (Michael Ironside)
I read that in his voice, too. Nice!
Get your asses above the Hard deck and return to base immediately
Goose bumps
He did Sam Fisher's voice in the Splinter Cell series... didn't know he was Jester!!
Hollywood. you're looking good...I want Viper
"Good morning gentlemen! The temperature is 110 degrees!"
Holy shit it's Viper!
He's probably saying "Holly shit it's Maverick and Goose"
@@supercomp65yeah, I'm sure he's saying that...
A good friend once told me that he could, using the stripped down A-4's and F-5's of the Navy Aggressor squadron, defeat ANY aircraft in a phonebooth fight. He included the Rafale, Typhoon, and various Hornets and Tomcats in that. Never mentioned F-22 and b4 the F-35, but yeah, the A-4. Cool!
The A-4 is one of the best aircraft the Navy ever employed. Very solid and versatile bird at relatively low costs. Not to mention arguably the best plane the blue angels ever flew.
Goose: Holy sh*t, it's Viper!
Mav: He's probably saying, "Holy sh*t, it's Maverick and Goose!"
Goose: Yeah, I'm sure he's saying that.
A reminder of the size difference between the two aircraft: the wing of the A-4 is virtually the same size as the horizontal stab of the F-14. The fact that a beast like the F-14 can successfully dogfight a scooter like the A-4 is a testament to the F-14's design.
Well ok....except that A4 was never designed as a dogfighter either, although yes it’s had a great roll rate but was always pretty underpowered and the F14 is like a generation & 1/2 more modern (& far, far more powerful )......so not really seeing the f14 as the underdog here😉
@@pizzagogo6151no one said the F-14 is the underdog
I've heard on several occasions that the Top Gun F-4s were stripped down, gutted, and loaded light for those training exercises.
That would be accurate. I’ve even heard they had upgraded engines but I can’t confirm that
Really cool video. I think an A-4 vs. F-4 dogfight might be very interesting.
As long as the F4 is the the version with guns.
Yeah if its the c it should have a gunpod if its the e it has a nose mount
Cant wait for the gs videos with the heatblur f4 lol
Give them both Blue Angel livery
f4s faired better against T-A4's better than f14a's did
Great video. I would have been curious to hear the F-14's side of the story on that second round just to understand how badly damaged was his aircraft. Please consider an A-4 Skyhaw vs T-45 Goshawk match. A 1960's front-line aircraft vs a current advanced jet trainer just to get a sense of how far training aircraft have come.
It looks like they got whacked initially. Then the plane kept flying? i saw the impacts.
@@adey88splace Do you mean crew killed and the F-14 was more or less flying itself? Just morbid curiosity since the flight pattern after the hit was so unusual.
I don't know. It was a good video nonetheless. @@brucegraner5901
@@brucegraner5901 seems like it, in DCS you can hit the pilot without destroying the jet.
@@DerDrecksack87 That's probably it. It was such an odd flight path I just was curious to hear what GS's gaming opponent might have said about those few moments.
"Holy shit, we're head-to-head, I can't believe we're doing this..."
I think it would be super interesting for one video to see your throttle percentages and movement on the stick while fighting. Not sure how possible that is but as a viewer it sounds super interesting!
^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!
I wouldn't necessarily want it in every fight but it would have been interesting in this one.
Yeah, idk if there’s a way to do it but doing one where it shows control inputs the whole time would be cool.
Would defo love a hand cam 👌
DCS does have an input mapper you can display on the screen, and iirc it can be put in the track replay so he doesn't have to actually fight with it blocking his view.
Viper vs Maverick and goose. Im loving it
Goose isn't going home
Super curious what happeend at the end of Round 2. Was it a dead pilot? F-14 seemed more or less incapacitated after the cockpit hits. Maybe phugoid cycle was only thing keeping it in the air?
honestly i think so, one of those rounds looked like it nailed the rio so maybe the splash got them both. the aircraft was just floating like a paper airplane.
Thanks, I learned about the "phugoid cycle."
Give yourself a pat on the back if you too were enough of an aviation nerd to know what "phugoid cycle" means. Lol
@@rmp5s I def didnt know it. Had to look it up. But I was pretty close by describing it like a paper airplane. Because it seems like it happens in them too.
@@ferretforrent1144 Yup! That's exactly what it is.
Lol come on man please fly The F-4 Phantom VS A-4 Skyhawk🙏
You made that look easy 😁 Like a hummingbird attacking a seagull.
One I think would be cool to see is a4 vs f18. The rnzaf brought the ex Australia airforce a4s. We then used to fight the Aussies in the f18 and apparently we won quite alot.
Round 1 was intense! Round 2 really showed the size of the Tomcat when you moved in for the kill. The Tomcat is a big jet. Would be interesting to see the same fight with GS driving the Big Cat...
I really want to see the A-4 against the F-16 now.
Great Fight, you both pushed your aircraft to the absolute limits, it was very entertaining to watch.
I love it when you do these fights too. Maybe consider an A-4 vs F-5 fight?
"Hollywood is doing fine, im going after Viper," smirk ❤
"God damn you, Maverick!"
Imagine what GS could do in a Top Gun version of the A-4
Neither Mav nor Goose ejected that first time, but I'm glad to see the canopy fully cleared the second and they both made it. Also, nobody flat spun going out to sea. A marked improvement. :P
Would love to see you do a ground attack video with the Su-25. CAS, strike mission, anything. I've only ever seen you use the Frogfoot for dogfights and would love to see it used in its intended role. Thanks for all the amazing content!
These vids are awesome, not sure if you get enough thanks from the community but thanks for what you do. You provide a detailed understanding of aircraft capabilities and your 1 hell of a pilot.
The A4 and F5 were America's most nimble jets back in the day. Both aircraft attempted to buck the trend towards larger, more sophisticated, and more expensive fighters. I enjoyed your demonstration of the little Skyhawk's agility. You probably could buy 3 Skyhawks for the price of a Tomcat. Rock on Professor Sidewinder.
"Growlrrwrlowrlrowrl"
The downside is that the Tomcat with more powerful radar and radar guided BVR Phoenix missiles would have been able to take down those 3 Skyhawks 30 miles before they merged.
@@flipadavis Up to 6 of them, some as far as 85 miles, with sidewinders and guns to spare.
The jets got so close your could really see the size difference. It was cool. I know that the F-16 is also smaller than the usual fighter jet, but you can't really see that in a fast, usually 2 circle fight.
Yo GS, very nice! Hate to see the Cat defeated but, underdog fights rock. Thanks again. Have a pleasant day. Cheers
Thank you for watching. Much love.
Love the ‘gush’ sound at 6:09. I assume bullets entering the body cavity..?! Lol
I could watch this fight all day, every day. My two favorite planes, from seeing the Blue Angels fly the A-4 in an airshow when I was 10 or so, and then seeing Top Gun a few years later. Thanks for the video.
Love the A-4 Skyhawk (Scooter) , my favourite jet.
Soon as I saw the VF1 livery I hit play. Such a great paint scheme!
Love your vids man I’ve learned so much from you and can not express how grateful I am for your content.
Id be curious to see a bracketed playoff situation using jets that have been employed as aggressors in these training programs. An A-4 vs an F-5 comes to mind instantly.
I read somewhere that the Skyhawk's roll rate is 720 degrees per second. You'd have to work up your neck muscles to use all of that.
I think he was flying "not so well" because he had a 20mm shell interrupt his brain function...😁
Lold, ya a 20mm can deff make you lose your train of thought.
How beautiful these F-14 A liveries are. Even if I would be as good in the A4 to stay so close for so long (and I am not), I would miss to pull the Trigger just because I would admire this beautiful Bird all the time. Imagine the Dogfights with the umpcoming F-4 which has also some really beautiful liveries. This will be like dancing Parrots
The A4s canopy setup is very reminiscent of WWII prop planes from what it looks like
Nice video! I love naval aviation, and these dogfights are awesome.
The F14 casually turning into a helicopter in the second round
Really nice video. They all are, but the Top Gun setting was cool. What are they using as trainers now? T-45 Goshawk? Would be awesome to see the current trainer vs an F/A-18 or F-35.
I was on plane trader last night...
They had a couple really nice A4s for 900k- to about 3mil depending on age and spares.
A fella can dream...
That second fight...where there's no kill like overkill.
I would like to see you continue up the food chain with the A-4. Best out of 3 and if you get at least 1 kill against the opponent you continue up the food chain until you can't get a W. Do that with every plane/jet honestly. Let's see how far you can push each platform...
First fight got so slow it became a floating scissors... could have won by deploying landing parachute and balloons!
Hi also nice to see you in a A4 also can we see you doing a strike mission in the A4
Love the Scooter! Awesome little bird.
It needs the VMF-214 Blacksheep markings!
Methinks an F14 is a great fighter in the hands of a great pilot, you have to understand its nuances to get the best out of it. If G/S was flying the cat the poor little A4 would have been dead everytime.
The A4's free, might be a bit easier to fly than the F16 as I'm struggling due to lack of controls.
How about a F8 crusader against a F14, gunfight only.
Everyday is a good day when GS uploads
Always wondered how that came to be...the A-4 was strictly designed for ground attack, no? Obviously it had some decent fighter qualities I guess for a lightweight subsonic ground attack aircraft.
Yes, and the F4, and F8 flew escort for the A4’s, in Vietnam.
I think they wanted a dissimilar jet to go against the Tomcats and Phantoms in TOPGUN mimicking the lighter, smaller and more agile migs of the time
Nice to see this Top Gun Setup. Sad to see a Tomcat flying against all lessons this Setup teaches. -.-
Round 1: "Jester's dead! Yeehaw!"
Round 2 & 3: "Bingo, Maverick's dead. You're out of there, kid."
I burst into an uncontrollable nervous laugh every time you get nailed mid sentence 🤗
GS - "The only thing I can do here is bring him in closer"
Merlin - " YOU'RE GONNA DO WHAT?!?!"
Judging by the time I spent at Top Gun (my glory days to say the least)- the movie, not the air combat school (wasn't that glorious)- pretty sure you were under the hard deck in round 2. 😁
Hey GS, why not do this fight, but like Hop 31 in the original Top Gun movie: 3 A-4 vs 2 F-14. Maybe even start the fight the same way with the 2 F-14's approaching the rear of the A-4s, and they split 3 different directions.
The Skyhawks slats have been nicely modelled
9:08 he took away the F14s wing permission 😂
Jester/Viper vs MiG-28 pilot (A4 vs F-5). We never saw it, but it should be fun.
"Bingo, Mavericks dead." 😅
Day 6 of asking gs to recreate stroke 3 evading 6 sams
Comes down to never underestimating your opponent.
Day 21 of asking for Viper vs Jeff BVR
Love watching your videos. Keep up the great work.
I was at the Tillamook Air Museum yesterday and there is an F-14 and A-4 parked across from each other. My 6 year old actually seemed to fill up the A-4 cockpit!
A-4 vs F-5 seems like it would be a neat battle for the Scooter.
Would love to see the A4 fight the mig 15 and the sabre, as they should be similar in performance
When I watched A4 Blue Angels, it was so comical seeing them inverted, tiny landing gear pointing to the sky. They looked like mosquitos--and we know what they can do.
How about F-14 vs F-86? Or F-14 vs MiG-15?
PS: Tried F-14/A-4 in Fighters Anthology, won in straight sets with both planes--but I have to admit I found the A-4 slightly more difficult to beat than the F-14. That little thing has some scary maneuverability.
Do a Skyhawk vs. unknown bandit. My Dad was a Naval Aviator and instructor in Meridian Miss. from 1978 to 1980. He flew the A7 from late 1968 to 1978. Over 2000 carrier landings in the A7 alone. Some A7 and other attack aircraft stuff would be nice. Keep up the good work I really enjoy it.
11:33 the skyhawk vs the felon, please.
id love to know what happened to the f-14 in round 2 like what did you knock out to leave him barely able to fly
The crew would be my guess.
Amazing how much the skills of the pilot do to the outcome! Didnt expect this!!!
I love the Skyhawk its a very agile aircraft, even if possible for a SUPER SKYHAWK in future, "GO HAWK"
Feels like the first fight would've gone differently but the a4s guns weren't up to par to tear the wing clean off
Where'd he go?! Where'd who go?!!
Now I'm wondering if the Skyhawk had afterburner engine, would it be possible the hawk can get the kill then?.
Love the A-4! Keep it coming!
PLEASE DO A HIGH ALTITUDE 1 CIRCLE FIGHT BETWEEN F15 VS SU27 like at 30k feet
You mentioned that this was based more on the real Top Gun than the movie, but the movie also had A-4s, so I think this is like both real life and the movie... I know you were an F-5 against an F-14 before, but I'd be interested in seeing another one of those in the future if you're so inclined.
A-4 has only one way to win the fight against the F-14 Tomcat. Drag the flight slow and get into a slow speed rolling scissors where that small size and 720 degree roll rate comes in handy. The F-14A Tomcat had much higher thrust with afterburners and low wing loading because of the big wings so in a two-circle fight or in a vertical, all the F-14 Pilot had to do was bleed the A-4 down and let it run out of energy and there was nothing left after that.
TOP GUN!!
Day 24: Ukrainian F-35 vs Russian units like your Ukranian F-16 video, an unlikely "what if" they get the F-35 instead of the planned F-16.
Idea from Binkov's Battlegrounds.
I wonder if the Top Gun A-4's were stripped down of all unnecessary equipment in order to save weight and had their engines tweaked a bit for a little extra thrust to give them maximum performance?
What a great video GS! Your super awesome dogfighting and energy management skills won your two victories in rounds 2 and 3 there! Nicely done!
Prior TA-4J observer back in PR. Witness A-4’s put the hurt on F-14’s, Tornadoes, 18’s and a few others from 2nd Fleet and Allied forces when parameters limited newer jets to A-4 parameters. Never take an old airframe in the hands of a skilled pilot lightly.
LOL! Got a soft spot in my heart for the A-4, though. I wonder how that basic airframe would do with a boosted engine and bigger intakes.
Along with some modern avionics and systems!
The new zealand airforce did that with the Skyhawk. Frequently scored kills against much later aircraft in exercises
Day 248, 303rd time asking for a reenactment of Sam City in the A6 Intruder from Flight of the Intruder, movie version. Talk to HeatBlur about their A6E.
"The jets you are flying against are smaller, faster, and more maneuverable..."
Try again, Jester.
Jester has entered the chat.
A-4 Skyhawk. My hands down favorite DCS Aircraft..... and i have almost all.
I think an AV-8 Harrier versus an A-4 Skyhawk... or an AV-8 Harrier versus an A-6 Intruder would both be a good matches to see. I'm curious who might come out on top in each. Just think about it is all I ask.
Jester be like: "I got yer tower flyby, Mac..." Seriously, tho, you are giving a masterclass on fighter tactics on every video. Bravo Zulu, dude!
Al your videos are excellent, but... I way more prefer the BVR ones. Do much more interesting to watch. Please do more BVR 🙏
A4 was a sports car compared to the F4s Cadilac. Also the smallest US bird capable of delivering a nuke to Moscow. One of my fav birds.
I would really love to see the A-4 guys upgrade the Skyhawk with the P408 engine or, heaven forbid, the F404 that the Singapore A-4s were running...
The thought of a Skyhawk with 50%+ more thrust would make it a very formidable fighter...
Gentlemen... You had a hell of a first day. The hard deck for this hop was 10,000 feet. You knew it, you broke it. You followed Commander Heatherly below after he lost sight of you and called no joy. Why?
The Skyhawk I flew in DCS is not what I'd call nimble, fast, or maneuverable. Has the aerodynamics of a cardboard box and it shakes like an AMF-era Harley.
Neat dogfight. I don't know a whole lot about the A-4. I'm sure it has fox 2's, everything does. But I was wondering if it had radar guided missile capabilities too... cool little plane.
Is anyone else hearing night time ambiance in the A4's cockpit??? Swear I'm here crickets LoL. Great fight GS. Thanks for the extra round