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Yes, and it is seen that many people are taking this issue to heart by having to fill the gap of Hard times, and it hurts me since I have heard more complete and tuned versions like the one from PC Collection and some remixes are heard very well: (, I know it's not the same but you don't have to throw hate before time :(
If they replace ice cap zone with anything even similar to this crap, I ain't buying. The ice cap zone song on genesis is one of the most memorable level tracks from my childhood
In my opinion, this should've played for ice cap zone act 2. The original theme sounds fitting for being underground in snow, with crushing pillars and icy spikes and this prototype feels cheerful, and fun as you escape the cave and run around snow piles, trampolines, loops and more. It's literally a transition from Hard Times to Easy Times
Hard times combines with act 1, with a more calm and ceremonious rhythm, like trying to stay calm being trapped in an elated cave, and the prototype theme combines with the feeling of freedom of act 2 already in the open air 😄
The theme fits, based on evidence this is based on act 2's theme, stage sketch and design doc for it. based on what little we can see of the sheet through flying battery's, "Water, Mountain Tunnels, Avalanche, Wild Edge, Crystal Pillars". With each of these the song kinds of fits, having a more wilderness/wild feel with heavy echo (Underground Tunnels) and a melody similar to crystal egg.
Most likely because the Origins version of the prototype tracks are the earliest version of these tracks. What you hear in the Nov 3 1993 prototype are the updated version of these proto tracks. There are strong evidences of that.
@@GoosyGooseMX I would believe that if we're just going by the Origins version of Carnival Night. There are large amounts of evidences that goes against that idea. Origins version of IceCap sounds identical to the 1103 prototype version except Act 2's bass is used in both Acts, Origins version of Competition menu theme and Sonic 3 End Credits theme also sounds identical to 1103 prototype theme. So they must have taken the Origins version of the tracks from a prototype they found, earlier than the one that's leaked online(1103). I also heard the PC S & K Collection version of the prototype tracks has theoretically came from the earliest prototype version of these tracks as a source, but put in MIDI. So it does come all together.
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I feel like due to the isolating nature of the underground caves of Ice Cap Act 1, the prototype music fits its setting by feeling empty. Maybe Act 1 should be changed in the direction of feeling isolated while Act 2 goes in the opposite direction and is full of unconstrained energy. IDK, just my thoughts.
@@Trimint123 I mean, the PC version used the prototype music. Even though the MIDI sounded awful, they kept the instrumentation of the prototype intact in regard to how the track sounded.
Luckily it will not be like that, this incomplete thing will not be in origins, but a remix that will sound much better. It won't be the same experience, but it will be better than listening to a clearly incomplete theme song.
I'm not sure why, but this track reminds me of the Ice Stage in Sonic Advance... It's nowhere near as slow or relaxing, but it sounds like it would fit that level... It definitely sounds like an Ice Level song.
I appreciate the slightly more complex drums, they're the thing that sound kinda unfinished in the original song. I also appreciate that you didn't make the drums the same as in the act 2 version, the PC version of the song did that and the cost of that is that act 1 and 2 don't really have a distinct identity from each other, they sound almost the same. I think the less upbeat drums in act 1 fit the freedom of snowboarding down a big mountain well.
ngl, I was about to say everything was lost for Sonic Origins but... this tune kinda fits better with the ice theme than the one that ended up in the game.
Now that the Sonic origins music for Sonic 3 has released, I’m happy and sad at the same time. Sega made it sound like “sorry we’re gonna have to remake the whole soundtrack” but the music is nearly the exact same, but technically different which avoids copyright, but then for CN, IC, and LB, I know they couldn’t use the final music even if it was still different, but WHY DIDN’T THEY JUST USE THE BETA MUSIC??? IT’S RIGHT THERE. Instead of just using the beta but slightly changing it, they changed everything, but that’s not the problem, the problem is that it just sounds to close to the Sonic & Knuckles collection music which sounded like garbage. I know their different, but still it kind of angers me. I know I just sound like a whiny Sonic fan complaining about the music being slightly different, but especially carnival night sounds awful, when I actually preferred the beta song over the final song. All though I think Ice cap uses a similar song to the beta which is ok, but then why didn’t they just use slightly modified beta songs for the rest of them? K, rant over. This isn’t the end of the world, and Sonic origins still looks awesome and I’m still gonna buy it cause their still the definitive version of the game and the amount of heart and soul this game has is still great and I’m so exited to see the Mobile versions ported onto consoles, including Sonic 3 which hasn’t seen a rerelease in a decade. And also, they did an excellent job emulating the Sonic 3 soundtrack. So yeah Christian whitehead is still the best, so yeah.
They... never said they were remaking the entire soundtrack? None of the songs were even changed except for the *obvious* songs with copyright issues, what are you even ranting about at the beginning?
I get the sentiment but this comment says a lot for nothing. The reason the S&K Collection sounded bad for most people was because they didn't have a proper MIDI sound card, so the game just relied on whatever their PC could produce on its own. A proper MIDI sound card or a good soundfont nowadays can produce some great results.
I grew up playing the Sonic and Knuckles Collection on PC, where this was the default track for Ice Cap Zone. It was jarring when I played the game again on Xbox Arcade in college and they had different music for this, Carnival Night and Launch Base. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I prefer the prototype tracks more.
its not nostalgia, the prototype songs actually fit better with the zones they're from. ice cap when using the hard times rendition sounded harsh and unfriendly, when about half of it is outside and you START BY SNOWBOARDING. I first played sonic 3 and knuckles genesis version and the prototypes even to this day are the better songs
@@dalaxdercrisper957 In IceCap's case, it did not turn out bad at all. Origin s version of IceCap sounds nearly identical to the one in this video(1103 version). The only difference is that in Origins, Act 1 borrows the high bass main instrumentation of Act 2, but other than that, they're identical. Though, I still prefer the 1103 prototype version of IceCap since I do prefer the unique main instrumentation of Act 1 that 1103 uses over the one Act 2 uses. But the Origins version of IceCap music is still really great though. Carnival Night and Launch Base Act 2 are the ones in Origins that are really different from the 1103 prototype versions.
Sega not being able to use the tracks made by Michael Jackson and his crew is sad, but understandable, using them may be too expensive, and copyright is a mess that you often can't clear by just throwing money at it. But Sega making bad remixes of the tracks they can use, when they sounded better in the prototype, the prototype that has the tracks they were going to use if Michael Jackson never came to help, this has no excuse, it's all Sega's fault.
@@harrybest2041 That's why I mentioned his crew. There are still claims that Michael Jackson himself made at least 1 track for Sonic 3, and it's probably Carnival Night Zone.
Same. As much as it’s hard to let go of Hard Times from the Jetzons, these tracks DO have potential, I admit. I’m hoping Jun Senoue can make these tracks shine like never before!
@@trevinodude I played Sonic 3 A.I.R. with the Prototype music a few days ago, and they fit absolutely well. The only thing they need, as others have mentioned already, is polish. These versions sound very unfinished, and I'm glad we're getting "finished" versions of them for Origins.
I think it changes the feel of ice cap so much, like with the mj version it feels like a more mysterious and secluded place which fits especially in the caves but this one seems too upbeat and positive for the area it's set in which I personally do not like but I can see why others would prefer a more upbeat tone for it
@@mokspeed1856 The reason why people feel Ice Cap final theme fits with the level while at the same time they are baffled with Ice Cap prototype theme, is because they're too used to Ice Cap final theme associate with the level for so many years. If you look around the aesthetic of the level, Ice Cap prototype theme fits, but in a different way that go appropiately well with the level. Ice Cap prototype theme seem to fit more with the positive aspect of this location that lot of people seem to not notice. If you look closely at the cave aspect of the level, there seem to be lot of beauty welcoming feel of the cave with lot of flashing colors going on with the background and there are decorative color crystals going on that gives a more positive mood around the cave. The music is supposed to emphasize that Sonic appreciates the beautiful environment around the level, giving a more positive light of Ice Cap. Not to mention that Ice Cap prototype theme also goes really well with the parts outside the cave. Since this track is created before Hard Times Ice Cap, it's no doubt that the developers and composer intended Ice Cap to be this way. But because Hard Times Ice Cap theme is associated with this level so hard for so many years, it's stuck to people's heads that Ice Cap is supposed to be a much more serious theme. I recently played Sonic Origins playing 3& Knuckles so far. And every time I play through Ice Cap with of course the prototype theme chosen for this stage, it never felt out of place. It felt right for the stage and never got second thoughts of it. I feel people would feel the same if they're introduced with Ice Cap prototype theme back in 1994.
That snare makes for a more finished sound, still needs a a bit more support as far as instrumentation, but this still sounds like it was still just a work in progress.
Well in IceCap's case, both versions are identical. The only difference between the Origins version and 1103 prototype in IceCap is Act 1 shares the same instrumentation chorus from Act 2 in Origins. While in the 1103 prototype, Act 1 has its own main bass instrumentation for the chorus.
I honestly prefer these prototype themes. They feel more like Sonic songs. That and I hate Carnival Night and Launch Base zone's themes in the original.
Look it's mr I hate mj for literally no reason other than to be a dipshit and not realize that mj didn't even make the final Icecap but instead Brad Buxer
Me too. This is nice but too cheery. Considering that time is of the essence in Ice Cap because the Death Egg is preparing to launch in the morning, you have to get to Launch Base urgently! The finalized Ice Cap gets it across pretty well.
@@AstroTom This is how I see it. Ice Cap prototype theme fits more with the environment outside in the snow. While Ice Cap final fits more with the situation around the story. Ice Cap prototype fits with the beautiful scenery and environment Sonic appreciates around him, while Ice Cap final fits with Sonic feeling cold and at the same time hurrying up to catch up to Robotnik. They both fit in different ways.
I get that original icecap is great but this song is pretty good. Ironically, all prototype songs fit their zones pretty well. in Sonic 3 air I have the prototypes for act 2 and originals for act 1
I disagree, but I do like it. It just doesn't come near Icecap to me; Icecap always felt kind of calm and slow, which is something I said to a lot of replies, but that's the best I can explain it.
REALLY! It bothers me a lot that people say that the Ice Cap theme is SHIT without so if I want to think about the obvious, this theme is INCOMPLETE!!! And it won't sound that bad in the final version 😠. This theme can work, and there are remixes on youtube that prove it, and I don't doubt that the Origins remix will be remarkable (And maybe with some reference to Hard Times)
@@the-NightStar Was this really necessary? I really don't get why people always try to make a "correct opinion", it's annoying, along with all of your other comments about other people's opinions.
The Sonic 3 remake from the Sonic Origins compilation was rushed because it is lacking: 1. The prototype Super/Hyper tune. 2. The prototype Knuckles tune. 3. A remixed version of Lava Reef, Part 1's background music, which was never used for Lava Reef, Part 2. Instead, Lava Reef, Part 2's background music is the Hidden Palace background music looped. In other words, Lava Reef, Part 1's background music and the Hidden Palace background music sound nothing alike. And 4. The prototype level order.
I hope they use for another game, even if it'd be the third game it'd show up in. MJ's Ice Cap fits the zone better admittedly, but this song is pretty good.
This has serious mega man battle network vibes. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that someone on the sega sound team who contributed to this song went on to score/compose for capcom.
I disagree, that isn't to say I dislike this at all, it just feels unfitting for the setting of act 1 since it takes place inside of a frozen mountain/cave. I would prefer it took place outside like Act 2 but is just me. So in conclusion, the final fits better when inside caves while the beta fits better when outside (basically Act 2). Quite a compromise.
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They are perfect for remixing or just appreciating the intricate details of the original compositions. I hope you like them :)
Yes, and it is seen that many people are taking this issue to heart by having to fill the gap of Hard times, and it hurts me since I have heard more complete and tuned versions like the one from PC Collection and some remixes are heard very well: (, I know it's not the same but you don't have to throw hate before time :(
I honestly prefer the proto tracks to the MJ tracks
@@Pyro03333 yeah, the MJ tracks are impressive, and are on the same level as the proto tracks.
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If they replace ice cap zone with anything even similar to this crap, I ain't buying. The ice cap zone song on genesis is one of the most memorable level tracks from my childhood
I remember in the stream chat, someone said this: "Flintstones - Easy Times" And I can stop thinking about that.
Ah yes, the rival song to "Jetzons - Hard Times".
lmao
Lol I get him
Easy Spaces
And it was remade into Marble Garden.
There are no hard times here now
Only ice caps.
:(
Lol
I liked it better when there were.
It becomes nice times :)
I'm surprised no one else seems to realize this is a reworking of the Crystal Egg Zone music from Sonic 2 SMS/GG.
h u h
WAIT A MINUTE
HOLY SHIT YOU’RE RIGHT!!!
Nice catch. Can't believe I didn't notice, used to play this game to death.
I noticed :)
In my opinion, this should've played for ice cap zone act 2. The original theme sounds fitting for being underground in snow, with crushing pillars and icy spikes and this prototype feels cheerful, and fun as you escape the cave and run around snow piles, trampolines, loops and more. It's literally a transition from Hard Times to Easy Times
Hard times combines with act 1, with a more calm and ceremonious rhythm, like trying to stay calm being trapped in an elated cave, and the prototype theme combines with the feeling of freedom of act 2 already in the open air 😄
Easy Spaces*
Nunca me lo había planteado así, suena hermoso y hasta artístico, apoyo la idea
Did you know that they can't and couldn't add that because of HARDWARE LIMITATIONS
The theme fits, based on evidence this is based on act 2's theme, stage sketch and design doc for it. based on what little we can see of the sheet through flying battery's, "Water, Mountain Tunnels, Avalanche, Wild Edge, Crystal Pillars". With each of these the song kinds of fits, having a more wilderness/wild feel with heavy echo (Underground Tunnels) and a melody similar to crystal egg.
This prototype was dropped during some hard times, and when it did, our spirits rose like balloons in a park, or a carnival in the dead of night
Thumbs up for the effort.
On a Flying Fortress.
And also chilling in a marble garden.
buuuuuuuu
@@revolution4122or at a high hydrocity
Impressive composition. Sounds like soft times.
I would say Happy Times, but I guess so xD
There are no hard times here though.
Easy Spaces
@@JulianR2JGFlinstones - Easy Spaces
@@CypherNeoMetalFlintztones*
POV: You're all here because you like this song better than what we got in Sonic Origins.
Again just curious. Actually I'm looking for Lava Reef Act 3 to send a friend and this popped up.
@@JayboCorp.2014 There is no act 3
Yes, you're right.
@@JayboCorp.2014 Do you mean The Hidden Palace Zone?
If so, it's just Lava Reef Zone 2 repeated.
@@JeremiahEcks777 act 3 is actually just the sonic and tails lava reef boss
It’s funny how the prototype music is better then Origins
Most likely because the Origins version of the prototype tracks are the earliest version of these tracks. What you hear in the Nov 3 1993 prototype are the updated version of these proto tracks. There are strong evidences of that.
@@GoosyGooseMX I would believe that if we're just going by the Origins version of Carnival Night. There are large amounts of evidences that goes against that idea. Origins version of IceCap sounds identical to the 1103 prototype version except Act 2's bass is used in both Acts, Origins version of Competition menu theme and Sonic 3 End Credits theme also sounds identical to 1103 prototype theme. So they must have taken the Origins version of the tracks from a prototype they found, earlier than the one that's leaked online(1103). I also heard the PC S & K Collection version of the prototype tracks has theoretically came from the earliest prototype version of these tracks as a source, but put in MIDI. So it does come all together.
because it’s not muffled like someone put a bluetooth speaker under a pillow.
I knew that a better percussion would improve the song!
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@@MattFan-gk6xp Ok
@@MattFan-gk6xp Fortnite
But it doesn't. Honestly, this song kind of sucks.
@@the-NightStar it slaps. what u talking about
This sounds like something you'd hear in the Advance series.
Discovering this was the HAPPIEST DAYS OF MY LIFE
Hard times gone byeeeeeeee
Wish your remasters were what we got in origins. Someone clearly forgot to show Jun the prototype tracks :(
It's the same but different like nothing change with this song •-•
we can already forget about those jun tracks... wtf where those
@@Akaza_Of_the_uppermoons the sound font used is all wrong in the origins version, strips the song of its emotion.
@@ferreroman2913those weren't even made by jun, the super music was
@@robokill387the genesis doesn't use soundfonts
I feel like due to the isolating nature of the underground caves of Ice Cap Act 1, the prototype music fits its setting by feeling empty. Maybe Act 1 should be changed in the direction of feeling isolated while Act 2 goes in the opposite direction and is full of unconstrained energy. IDK, just my thoughts.
I mean, the prototype were incomplete yet, so the music is somewhat unfinish.
@@Trimint123 I mean, the PC version used the prototype music. Even though the MIDI sounded awful, they kept the instrumentation of the prototype intact in regard to how the track sounded.
@@Medachod it wasn't even the midi that was awful though, whoever did the transcriptions did a 5/10 job.
I could do a better job by ear lmao
imo: a bit too fast paced to feel isolating and empty.
imagine loading ice cap thinking about hearing a sick track while snowboarding down a icy mountain only to hear this:
Luckily it will not be like that, this incomplete thing will not be in origins, but a remix that will sound much better.
It won't be the same experience, but it will be better than listening to a clearly incomplete theme song.
We know this is the composition Jun will use but we don't know how it'll sound. Sky Sanctuary sounded very rough in the proto too.
I would be happy because I prefer Ice Cap prototype theme over Hard Times Ice Cap theme.
@@EfraArt_Mixthe one in origins sounds like trash
I love how the intro of this song perfectly syncs up to the intro to Ice Cap where Sonic jumps onto the snowboard.
I'm not sure why, but this track reminds me of the Ice Stage in Sonic Advance...
It's nowhere near as slow or relaxing, but it sounds like it would fit that level...
It definitely sounds like an Ice Level song.
It’s Crystal Egg
I appreciate the slightly more complex drums, they're the thing that sound kinda unfinished in the original song. I also appreciate that you didn't make the drums the same as in the act 2 version, the PC version of the song did that and the cost of that is that act 1 and 2 don't really have a distinct identity from each other, they sound almost the same. I think the less upbeat drums in act 1 fit the freedom of snowboarding down a big mountain well.
If you for some reason want to hear the dumbed-down version, check The Cutting Room Floor's page on the Sonic 3 prototype.
I absolutely agree. Act one needs it’s unique identity with very straight forward drums on the beat.
"Why is my sister called Rose?"
"Because your mother loves roses."
"Thanks, dad."
"No problem, IceCap Zone Act 1 - Sonic 3 (Prototype) Remastered."
ngl, I was about to say everything was lost for Sonic Origins but... this tune kinda fits better with the ice theme than the one that ended up in the game.
Well... putting aside the fact that they didn't remake the tracks well, this stage fits "snow" better than ice.
@@gianni50725 I mean.... the first thing you see in Ice Cap Zone is snow, not ice, lol.
@@sergiomonty How Ironic.
Confirmed to return for Sonic Origins, it looks like Jun Senoue will be responsible for its restoration and arrangement.
And I couldn't be happier. This theme really deserves some spotlight
'tis be a real groove! Especially with the (properly) added drums. I can't wait to hear the finished product!
Annnddd that was a bad desicion.
He did a horrible job lmao
He did sonic 4 and the classic sonic stages in forces
You think we'd learn by now
Kinda excited to play the game and just here how these were reworked by Jun.
I believe this is the version that Jun is reworking on in Sonic Origins
Now that the Sonic origins music for Sonic 3 has released, I’m happy and sad at the same time. Sega made it sound like “sorry we’re gonna have to remake the whole soundtrack” but the music is nearly the exact same, but technically different which avoids copyright, but then for CN, IC, and LB, I know they couldn’t use the final music even if it was still different, but WHY DIDN’T THEY JUST USE THE BETA MUSIC??? IT’S RIGHT THERE. Instead of just using the beta but slightly changing it, they changed everything, but that’s not the problem, the problem is that it just sounds to close to the Sonic & Knuckles collection music which sounded like garbage. I know their different, but still it kind of angers me. I know I just sound like a whiny Sonic fan complaining about the music being slightly different, but especially carnival night sounds awful, when I actually preferred the beta song over the final song. All though I think Ice cap uses a similar song to the beta which is ok, but then why didn’t they just use slightly modified beta songs for the rest of them? K, rant over. This isn’t the end of the world, and Sonic origins still looks awesome and I’m still gonna buy it cause their still the definitive version of the game and the amount of heart and soul this game has is still great and I’m so exited to see the Mobile versions ported onto consoles, including Sonic 3 which hasn’t seen a rerelease in a decade. And also, they did an excellent job emulating the Sonic 3 soundtrack. So yeah Christian whitehead is still the best, so yeah.
My gosh I wrote a whole lecture on this lmao 🔵💨
You got a link for the beta music cause I'll love to hear it with the final version
They... never said they were remaking the entire soundtrack? None of the songs were even changed except for the *obvious* songs with copyright issues, what are you even ranting about at the beginning?
I get the sentiment but this comment says a lot for nothing.
The reason the S&K Collection sounded bad for most people was because they didn't have a proper MIDI sound card, so the game just relied on whatever their PC could produce on its own. A proper MIDI sound card or a good soundfont nowadays can produce some great results.
All of the songs which weren't replaced were already remixes of their prototype versions.
I grew up playing the Sonic and Knuckles Collection on PC, where this was the default track for Ice Cap Zone. It was jarring when I played the game again on Xbox Arcade in college and they had different music for this, Carnival Night and Launch Base. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I prefer the prototype tracks more.
Yeah, the XBLA port has the "Genesis" music that most people remember. The PC port used the prototype music, but MIDI.
its not nostalgia, the prototype songs actually fit better with the zones they're from. ice cap when using the hard times rendition sounded harsh and unfriendly, when about half of it is outside and you START BY SNOWBOARDING. I first played sonic 3 and knuckles genesis version and the prototypes even to this day are the better songs
@@stanzacosmi I don't know, Carnival Night Zone did sound very circus like even with the "Jam" version.
@@stanzacosmi This song isn’t fitting at all for Ice Cap
@@S.T.E.E.Z.Y it is u idiot ur just jealous
The superior IceCap theme
no, adventure music and the final ice cap music are better
Yes
The Jun Senoue tracks for this game really sound like what he would do in Sonic 3D Blast
This isn't by Jun Senoue though. He will remix them for Origins.
@@MasteredRealm which turn out really bad. Jun Senoue is a music composer, not a sound programmer
@@dalaxdercrisper957 In IceCap's case, it did not turn out bad at all. Origin s version of IceCap sounds nearly identical to the one in this video(1103 version). The only difference is that in Origins, Act 1 borrows the high bass main instrumentation of Act 2, but other than that, they're identical. Though, I still prefer the 1103 prototype version of IceCap since I do prefer the unique main instrumentation of Act 1 that 1103 uses over the one Act 2 uses. But the Origins version of IceCap music is still really great though. Carnival Night and Launch Base Act 2 are the ones in Origins that are really different from the 1103 prototype versions.
Sega not being able to use the tracks made by Michael Jackson and his crew is sad, but understandable, using them may be too expensive, and copyright is a mess that you often can't clear by just throwing money at it.
But Sega making bad remixes of the tracks they can use, when they sounded better in the prototype, the prototype that has the tracks they were going to use if Michael Jackson never came to help, this has no excuse, it's all Sega's fault.
Michael Jackson actually had no involvement with the music for IceCap Zone, it was actually his keyboardist (if I remember correctly), Brad Buxer.
@@harrybest2041 That's why I mentioned his crew.
There are still claims that Michael Jackson himself made at least 1 track for Sonic 3, and it's probably Carnival Night Zone.
Common Sega L, as much as I hate to say it
@@silverdamascus2023 or knuckles theme (s3 alone obv)
It still baffles that Sega didn't include a clause or something that allowed them to own whatever Jackson and his crew composed
Jun Senoue is our last hope in redeeming this version of Ice Cap. I'm really hoping for the best with his reworkings!
Same. As much as it’s hard to let go of Hard Times from the Jetzons, these tracks DO have potential, I admit. I’m hoping Jun Senoue can make these tracks shine like never before!
@@trevinodude *Jun
@@l.j.nguyen2586 Autocorrect failed me again. 😂😂
@@trevinodude I played Sonic 3 A.I.R. with the Prototype music a few days ago, and they fit absolutely well.
The only thing they need, as others have mentioned already, is polish. These versions sound very unfinished, and I'm glad we're getting "finished" versions of them for Origins.
ITS FUCKING BULLSHIT THEY ANNOUNCE THIS AFTER I PREORDER
GREAT TRACK, everyone hating on this track is deaf by the nostalgia.
Yes, and they do not take into account that this version is very unfinished
It's a bit of both. ICz1 is unfinished and Hard Times fans are very attached to it lol
I think it changes the feel of ice cap so much, like with the mj version it feels like a more mysterious and secluded place which fits especially in the caves but this one seems too upbeat and positive for the area it's set in which I personally do not like but I can see why others would prefer a more upbeat tone for it
@@mokspeed1856 The reason why people feel Ice Cap final theme fits with the level while at the same time they are baffled with Ice Cap prototype theme, is because they're too used to Ice Cap final theme associate with the level for so many years. If you look around the aesthetic of the level, Ice Cap prototype theme fits, but in a different way that go appropiately well with the level. Ice Cap prototype theme seem to fit more with the positive aspect of this location that lot of people seem to not notice. If you look closely at the cave aspect of the level, there seem to be lot of beauty welcoming feel of the cave with lot of flashing colors going on with the background and there are decorative color crystals going on that gives a more positive mood around the cave. The music is supposed to emphasize that Sonic appreciates the beautiful environment around the level, giving a more positive light of Ice Cap. Not to mention that Ice Cap prototype theme also goes really well with the parts outside the cave. Since this track is created before Hard Times Ice Cap, it's no doubt that the developers and composer intended Ice Cap to be this way. But because Hard Times Ice Cap theme is associated with this level so hard for so many years, it's stuck to people's heads that Ice Cap is supposed to be a much more serious theme. I recently played Sonic Origins playing 3& Knuckles so far. And every time I play through Ice Cap with of course the prototype theme chosen for this stage, it never felt out of place. It felt right for the stage and never got second thoughts of it. I feel people would feel the same if they're introduced with Ice Cap prototype theme back in 1994.
That snare makes for a more finished sound, still needs a a bit more support as far as instrumentation, but this still sounds like it was still just a work in progress.
Honestly the proto themes sound much better than the remixes from Origins...
Well in IceCap's case, both versions are identical. The only difference between the Origins version and 1103 prototype in IceCap is Act 1 shares the same instrumentation chorus from Act 2 in Origins. While in the 1103 prototype, Act 1 has its own main bass instrumentation for the chorus.
I honestly prefer these prototype themes. They feel more like Sonic songs.
That and I hate Carnival Night and Launch Base zone's themes in the original.
I can see your opinion there.
@@inkywright thanks I appreciate it
It sounds like Crystal Egg from Game Gear Sonic 2
I’m Jamming this music
Wow, they couldn't even add the drum part in Origins smh
This track would have been respected way more if the MJ version never existed.
I don’t care what anyone says, it’s better than the final ver
this is going to be on sonic origins
Not exactly. A rearrangement of it will be.
*Flintztones - Easy Times*
Much more appropriate for what is technically not even midway through S3&K.
Look it's mr I hate mj for literally no reason other than to be a dipshit and not realize that mj didn't even make the final Icecap but instead Brad Buxer
I can say This is a really funky festive monkey Friday!
lmao *sad skeleton noises*
The official remix of Crystal Egg Zone
Now it actually sounds like a fitting song for the zone.
Yeah. Sounds cold if that makes sense....?
I do not agree with you.
@@JavaCake the final one did imo
The final fit more. It was a cold and icy cave, this sounds like a winter wonderland. Icecap isn't.
Sounds like something you will hear at a slushie store if they had a radio to attract kids.
I think the final version of Icecap Zone music was better than this.
WAY better.
Better for the zone, but they’re both good pieces of music
Me too. This is nice but too cheery. Considering that time is of the essence in Ice Cap because the Death Egg is preparing to launch in the morning, you have to get to Launch Base urgently! The finalized Ice Cap gets it across pretty well.
I prefer this one, but they're both good
@@AstroTom This is how I see it. Ice Cap prototype theme fits more with the environment outside in the snow. While Ice Cap final fits more with the situation around the story. Ice Cap prototype fits with the beautiful scenery and environment Sonic appreciates around him, while Ice Cap final fits with Sonic feeling cold and at the same time hurrying up to catch up to Robotnik. They both fit in different ways.
this sounds like one of those relaxing music videos
and i love it
So this was actually the original version of the ice cap zone. So that’s why it’s different from sonic origin’s
I get that original icecap is great but this song is pretty good. Ironically, all prototype songs fit their zones pretty well.
in Sonic 3 air I have the prototypes for act 2 and originals for act 1
I absolutely love the prototype of ice cap zone thene
FINALLY SONIC 3 GET THE RECOGNITION IT DESERVES IN THE MOVIE
The only example of the final track sounding better than the prototype IMO.
Nope.
@@lucianajoaofelipe IMO = In My Opinion
Mushroom hill too
launch base as well
Dewdropp the final game’s version of Launch Base Zone is a fucking jam, one of the best tracks in the game. The prototype version is boring as fuck
It sounds like bonus stage music
I swear it does 😂
I was thinking the same thing
This is better than the final version.
Absolutely disagree. This version SUCKS.
I disagree, but I do like it. It just doesn't come near Icecap to me; Icecap always felt kind of calm and slow, which is something I said to a lot of replies, but that's the best I can explain it.
@@the-NightStar No u
Thelxinoe you're right, it's freaking amazing
I agree. IceCap prototype theme is much better than IceCap final theme.
this song needs loads more respect.
No it doesn't. It's pretty much garbage.
@@the-NightStar took you long enough
@@riftontherun6430 in this corner, we have American Sonic. And in the opposite corner, we have Japanese Sonic. 3. 2. 1. FIGHT!
@@Exoternos8145No, it isn't a normal fight, it's a Pokemon type of fight!
@@noahbillyproductions880 *Y E S*
actually why is this way better than the final version
No final version is way better but this gives happy vibes
A simple snare drum can change a song so much
banging music, so much better than whatever the fuck happened with the 20 second loop we got in the final.
Super Sonic is the horrendous 20 second loop. Ice Cap is Brad the localizer inserting his own pop music
@@LethalBubbles Ice Cap is just the same two tiny loops repeating over and over again with zero variation, and It doesn't even fit the level..
The final has better rhytm, and it's in the final game, as for origins, it uses this souless theme but its even worse
better than jun senoue’s version. idk how he botched it. smmmh
This is literally Crystal Egg Zone
@@michaelg4981 well no shit it’s 8 bit vs a 16 prototype
@@michaelg4981 of course you’re not, you’re supposed to HEAR music
Because the same composer for that music actually made the proto ice cap act 1 theme.
@@Turbulation1 obviously
@@michaelg4981 Tonomori Sawada
Sing it with me everyone
HARD TIM- oh wrong song
Bass is very similar to Crystal Egg zone
...we got robbed
The Flintstonez - Soft Times
Easy*
@@nerymuniz6427 it could go either way lol, hard as in hardness just sounded funnier to me
coming to sonic 3 origins :) pretty fire although it isn’t like the original
Technically this is the original, but understanding what you mean xD
@@EfraArt_Mix u aint have to ratio me bro 😭 ur right tho
@@lance9738 I disagree. IceCap prototype/Origins theme is much better than IceCap final/Genesis retail theme in my opinion.
jun didn't murder this track
he did just hurt it
I like this one a lot. Has more of a jolly Christmas feel to it compared to the MJ Ice Cap. Act 2 takes that even further with the higher pitch.
I kinda dig it
The original beta Ice Cap Act 1 felt incomplete, but it does now that it’s remastered.
is it bad that I wish
ice cap and carnival night had their proto music
Yes.
okay 😔
It’s not bad, in my opinion the prototype music is way better
Hell no those are bangers
@@ChaoticVibes4444 they're good but
i dunno the prototype versions have a lot more personality to them i can't explain it lol
REALLY! It bothers me a lot that people say that the Ice Cap theme is SHIT without so if I want to think about the obvious, this theme is INCOMPLETE!!! And it won't sound that bad in the final version 😠.
This theme can work, and there are remixes on youtube that prove it, and I don't doubt that the Origins remix will be remarkable (And maybe with some reference to Hard Times)
nah, gotta say origins really dropped the ball on this one and given it was sega I feel like they weren't just lucky assuming it would be shit
@@wyn9693 Can you blame me? I wrote that before the disastrous result of the remixes was revealed, ironically Ice Cap was the least affected.
@@EfraArt_Mix yeah, you're right. I just don't get how people can have so much faith when this kind of let down is the norm
"No copyright law in the universe will stop me!"
- Sonic The Hedgehog, possibly after Sonic 3&K
Better than the final one
No, it’s not but it is fine, it fits the zone
@@ForgottenC2890yes it is
@@chris1229sonic no
Sorry if I say this but I prefer the final version over the prototype version for both Ice Cap Zone acts.
Don't be sorry. Your opinion is the correct one.
@@the-NightStar Was this really necessary? I really don't get why people always try to make a "correct opinion", it's annoying, along with all of your other comments about other people's opinions.
@@kodadacod because it's just their opinion. Everyone knows that the prototype versions being better is a fact.
@@kodadacod they're just letting you know they're an asshole
Same
Na the MJ one is better in my opinion
Well, this is unfinished too xD
i like this more than final version
sounds like diamond dust zone
I'm happy that Ayuwoki came and helped them
The Sonic 3 remake from the Sonic Origins compilation was rushed because it is lacking:
1. The prototype Super/Hyper tune.
2. The prototype Knuckles tune.
3. A remixed version of Lava Reef, Part 1's background music, which was never used for Lava Reef, Part 2. Instead, Lava Reef, Part 2's background music is the Hidden Palace background music looped. In other words, Lava Reef, Part 1's background music and the Hidden Palace background music sound nothing alike.
And 4. The prototype level order.
hidden palace is a remix of LR act 1, the main melody is just harder to hear in the hidden palace theme
The song for Hidden Palace Zone was made for Lava Reef Zone 2, it shares a slight similarity with Lava Reef Zone 1. So it is remixed, just heavily.
damn, really good remaster
At the beginning of the song you can kind of hear some of the parts used in the Sonic and Knuckles opening title song.
Holy shit this one wasn’t changed much for the final release for origins interesting
I hope they use for another game, even if it'd be the third game it'd show up in.
MJ's Ice Cap fits the zone better admittedly, but this song is pretty good.
Thank you so much for this! It's an absolute improvement
I'm not sure how I feel about ice cap being replaced with this
Won't be exactly this either. A remix can change everything :p
@@MasteredRealm welp this didn't age well lol
@@skydub7844 It feels a lot better. IceCap prototype theme is much better than IceCap final theme.
this better would be in sonic origins
No
...@@Switchwall
This has serious mega man battle network vibes. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that someone on the sega sound team who contributed to this song went on to score/compose for capcom.
That square wave tho
if only they got you to provide the music lol
This sounds similar to crysta; egg from Sonic 2 abit and also angel island from Sonic Advance 1
Interesting
Because Ice Cap prototype theme is a remix of Crystal Egg theme from Sonic 2 8 bit.
Woah.
I could’ve sworn they used this in the Roblox game.
I think this is better.
I think it really sucks.
Well thats your Opinion.
I disagree, that isn't to say I dislike this at all, it just feels unfitting for the setting of act 1 since it takes place inside of a frozen mountain/cave. I would prefer it took place outside like Act 2 but is just me.
So in conclusion, the final fits better when inside caves while the beta fits better when outside (basically Act 2). Quite a compromise.
@@chris6471 Yeah you're right actually
It’s a HARD TIME to get over this
I loved this track in sonic3 complete now hearing the actual one is so great no offense to the final one.
Sonic origins but better
This gives me SRB2 vibes for some reason
better than final
Ehh no, origins had to fuck this up
they should have just made the prototype versions the one used in origins
these are way better
the prototype ice cap music has the sonic origin's music
Much better! See? The proto / PC melody for Icecap isn't that bad. Gonna say I still prefer Act 2 tho'.