And even with the much lower tuning fq port than the speaker.I think if we can match the tuning of the port and the tuning of the speaker somehow,we could possibly get higher spl rating.And the control of the box over the speaker is too low so we cant push the speaker harder because there is no backpressure.I know he didnt build the box for the max spl rate,ım just mindstorming.Keep up the good work!
@@brianb4501 I understand he did this build because his viewers asked to see this, and this box type requires tons of air space, and to be honest, it is impressive for a single 6.5 inch subwoofer. It sounded great in my headphones. Im used to putting 6.5's in the doors lol. If I'm giving up 5.5 cubes of trunk space, I'd have to have an 15 to 18 inch sub because cone area is king in my book. Still very impressive to have a 6.5 inch sub hitting nice and low with good bandwidth. Good job building that crazy box. I haven't had a system in my car since I had a horrible, horrific 2021 and I got hit by a guy who blew a stop sign, and separately had a Pulmonary Embolism that nearly killed me, but I'm making a comeback and I'll have another truck with maybe a pair of the JP23v2's strapped and a JP 234 on the mids and highs for the front stage and eventually another JP 234 to power my 4x 6.5" enclosure for mids and highs in the back of the truck.
Dude you are by far the best production value in all of car audio, thank you so much for setting such a high standard. The video was great, the shot of the interior rearview area said it all, and the choice to do a horn is flipin sweet. Ps can you give us a close up of the AMM1 during testing and playing so I can gage the enclosure rise and watts thx!
You are very intelligent. I don't know how you learned everything that you know til this point, but I've been watching your content for a while now. Continue your journey sir, you're doing an amazing job. 💪🏿
That's arguably not a FH, more of a TL. Not saying it doesn't work, just different parameters. The lack of initial throat is really the crux, but the length of path, the undersized mouth, and the bends in the path effectively change it enough to not be a true horn. Fun hint: creating a small throat connected to the rear of a specific volume induces similar resonances as a port and improves the drivers ability to maintain control of the cone movement. Changing your flare rate to take advantage of the size of the box and increase the mouth size will also help cone control. Smoothing the bends will help frequency response, too. Still a fun project, have fun learning!
I like the digital "trophy room" of all your designs. It really shows off the difference in size and shape, as well as quickly getting a good look inside different enclosures.
Subscribed 9 mins into the video questioning why I didn't do it earlier. Top notch detail and explanations. I look forward to watching your other videos!
Good day Budget Bass Head. This has to be one of the best car audio sub enclosure videos that I've seen, and I live on RUclips Car Audio vids. If I didn't see that 6.5" Meso myself, make 37hz and turn 133db I would not have believed it. Please keep up the superbly grand job, your are extremely and meticulously informative with loads od detail.
Sir, you are one the the sharpest audio gods on here! Also my favorite due to all the detailed explanation you fit in on your videos. Awesome video! I never watch any of your videos without learning a ton of great stuff. I thank you once again!
I’d try sizing the mouth down to about half that size and scaling down the rest of the enclosure to match. I think closer to 1-1 cone to mouth is about ideal for that woofer and for most 6 1/2 and 8” woofers in my opinion. I’m pretty sure you’d get a surprisingly impressive response and output and save yourself a bit more space. Just my opinion, excellent video though. I wish more people would build horn enclosures for car audio.
Great lay-mans terms explanation / video. I figured you'd be blown away. I've build a few horn designs (by others), one using a fairly low end 10" sub for a car. Using the factory car amp, bypassing the existing built in 10 blew us away.
There are some interesting enclosure designs that can do wonders for bass. My local guy built me a transmission line box for an American bass 12” I had years ago and that box was awesome. It had great range and could get low.
i just had a argument with a friend over this ...that a unported 12 box is the best way to go he said ....lol......then i showed him this ...lol....amazing ...simply amazing ....
CT Sounds should definitely get more love than they do. I currently have a Meso-12 and it's a very high quality sub. I recommend them to everyone. I really enjoyed your video. It was very informative.
Sir. Words cannot reflect the appreciation of your important contribution of your scientific and layman explanations and demonstrations of enclosures, speakers and amp experiments. You are on point I thank you.
I wouldn't mind seeing two on a tapped horn enclosure loaded off the trunk . 🤯🤯🤯 by the way I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for sharing. keep up the amazing work
After watching your video I had to build one put 2 ct tropos 6.5 in it with a 350 watt mono amp dropped to 1 ohm sounds amazing I listen to all kinds of music I tell people the drummer is in the trunk lol.
Once again, delivering practical install designs ....got a weatlth of knoledge and break it down to us laymen as well as practical install. I dont got a vehicle thats going to shows not sponsered by a speaker shop. The other half and kids love the stereo, i dont love having to haul my heavy ass box out and pull the fuse every time we go to grociery store, or on a trip anywhere..and the enclosure ideas u bring make her happy me happy and much appreaciated. I watch soundman , he an entertaing goof, but if want the how to and proper advise this is the guy im telling u . !
Thanks! I would never use something that takes up this much space, but great video. You know your stuff and put it together into a video better than I've seen other people do.
Years ago I proposed the design of an sql woofer on the sundown forum. My post was deleted and years later I start seeing these things first in the x series sundown , then everywhere. I'm not sure what happened there , but I remember the comments that were said . One thing for sure , the dual spider big motor long throw 6 and 8" drivers offer maximum power density and can deliver clean linear spl in the right box.
Yes, I've suggested an RTA for him also. I'd go one step further, though. If you use a xlr microphone to xlr/USB cable you can swap the microphone for an rca cable and see the electrical frequency response. This is super handy for seeing crossovers (active and passive) work as well as verifying signals going into an amp. Calibrated Dayton Audio mic, cable and xlr adapter is under $125 also. These frequency response charts would add a lot of good info to the videos.
@@JasonWW2000 Agreed. Cool tip on the XLR/USB cable... haven't tried for my purposes but nice to have for sure. Little bit more pricey to put together but the UMIK-1 seems to be the easiest defacto all-in-one standard where you don't need phantom power and mics are already calibrated nicely and work well with REW. As far as his testing goes, with the the effort he goes through to show simulations, the cost of a RTA is insignificant and it would be a no-brainer to include. He already has a AMM-1, wouldn't be much more of an effort to take multiple SPL/Power measurements (can be low power from an RTA or at high power wit the SPLLab) from 30-50Hz and put together a complete graph. At the end of the day, point SPL measurements are totally useless as the real story is told by SPL/Hz/power/power factor.
I love coming across someone who knows what they are talking about! There is so much garbage out there on sound systems. I’ve always wanted to do a T line enclosure.
This was super interesting thank you for the information. Not sure if you were aware at the time but the lc2i actually has roll off below 33hz so you might have lost numbers below that.
Rear loaded horn, folded horn, Bose called it waveguide and trademarked it. These are all exemples of a transmission line enclosure. They've been around since the 1950's.
Qtr wave T-Lines and folded horns are my fave. You’re exactly correct about true horns and T-Lines. A true T or H can actually play an octave lower at volume before db rolloff….. when designed and executed properly.
Currently on a journey of making a custom box for my single 12 setup. Got a steal on Facebook marketplace and have been tinkering with it to get some decent performance. Finally got a solid 1500RMS sent to it and it clips the amp before any distortion so going to give it a good 2000RMS soon and upgrade to a manufacturer spec box. Currently have it in a 1.75 cu ft and it’s suffocating only giving me 118dB. In the process of making it a 2.6 cu ft box tuned at 33hz. 💪🏼
Well done ! I've been involved in the car audio scene since the early '90s and I learned something new today! Thanks ! You got a new subscriber here! I never really ventured into the realm of folded horns and transmission line cabinets. I will be watching many more of your videos. Keep up the great content!
Sounded like on that sweep that you had output all the way down to 25hz! Fun project, though the only thing I wonder is how big of a box would be needed for a heftier sub. Maybe for small spaces the passive radiator setup is more practical?
I must say, making a 6 in sub perform like that is impressive. I'm thinking about it myself. the only thing i would like to know is what if it was down firing? would the performance change.
This is very cool. As someone who used to like SPL AND SQ+, I ALWAYS looked for something with balance. I've been looking at good 8s or a 10, because I cannot have muddiness with my house music.
Long time subscriber here. Love the horn designs. Salute to 25HZ to Life for shouting you out. HexiBase did one as well on his page. You know, now you have to do a full wavelength T-Line to compare against the horn..............(hint)...
Most folded horn enclosures are actually working like a transmission line; they are a quarter wave enclosure with some amount of damping. True horn loaded enclosures need a huge amount of mouth area. Even a Tapped Horn is not a true horn enclosure; it is only good over about one octave, with the quarter wave tuning setting the low corner, and the half wave tuning (necessarily one octave above the quarter wave tuning) setting the high corner; above that, they become too phasey to be high fidelity. They are very efficient, but only over that octave.
Very interesting. Does the line have to be in one direction? I mean, could you make the box taller, but less wide if you not only turned the opening side to side, but also up and down? I'm not sure how to explain it 😄
just built a t-line for my wifes car for 1 dark audio nko 8inch sub looks alot like your box only smaller gets down to 20hz up to around 90 loud and punchy very musical
I run this same Meso, mounted in reverse, due to the back on the woofer taking up so much enclosure volume. Unless, you're looking at it, you would think I'm running a 10 or 12 inch sub. It isn't a budget thing in my case, more about keeping the weight low, and occupy a relatively small amount of space.
I have a 5th gen Camaro. Small trunk opening. Boxes are a struggle getting néeded volume that can actually fit in trunk.2 12s on only 1.7 cu feet per sub. Optimal 2.0 or more. Make up for it with 2k watt rms subs and 5k amp. Pouring on power makes it work nicely.
Amazing devotion and amazing box! Gave me the notion to build this with a twist / My curiosity of 2 x 8" in isobaric throat using a single fold horn. It's going to be big! I always appreciate your scientific depth of these builds sir - thank you!
I love your videos and they have helped many like myself so thank you. One note that I belive I'm correct on but could be wrong is that horn enclosures don't need loading surfaces like bass reflex boxes do or so I've been told being that if you have a bass reflex box in your trunk it'll sound loud until you open the trunk (the box loses its loading pressures) where as the horn doesn't lose much output from opening the trunk. I bet you would pick up a few db from loading the horn off a wall that's 1.0-1.5x the size of the port.
Congratulations! You have earned yourself a new subscriber. I’ve been looking for a solution installing a sub in a single cab pick up truck. I’m using a Punch 10” P3s, with a skar 350 watt amp. It’s okay, but it doesn’t hit anywhere near it would if I gad a cubic ft.
Men you really need to make and test the DECWARE deathbox for 10", it looks like a very interesting project that promises to dupicate the power of the bass
Man you remind me of what nolte and I were going through in our early days, back in the late '90s and early 2000s - when we were playing around with labyrinths and he came up with the snail shell and then the Double Shot, and it's almost sad that computers today take away like 75% of the discovery factor that was so much the fun part of it all, then putting it into practice at some local DB drag racing shows, just to see what it would do on the meter. We did get a 3 inch woofer to hit 135 DB in Greg Perchall's CRX, using a nolte Snail Shell, a little tiny one - lol Using a pair of 6.5" in a double shot, John was getting frequencies down into the upper 20Hz region @ 140+ dB running like a 600 watt amp, but the bandwidth - well it's like anything, when you gain here you lose there - and the snail shell and double shot and labyrinth depending on how they're designed, tend to give you a more narrow band but much higher output. I dig it that you're trying to come up with something more broadbanded, but I wonder what would happen if you were to turn it sideways or face it to the rear with just enough loading area behind it - you might see that 135dB that you're after 👊😏👍
This enclosure performed so well that I actually still have it. I usually trash these builds as soon as I'm done with them, but this one left an impression.
Excellent video. I have seen 2x12 subs with same power doing same results. Incredible how good is that little sub and efficiency you get from that cabinet. For a long time horn enclosures were go to solutions for PA applications. You would see them on everything from tweeters to subs. Their efficiency is huge and relates to the size of the opening if the horn. One you built looks like linear horn. It has way more challenges than necessary. More effective are exponential horns. They open up faster at the end of the horn. This provides big opening and high efficiency and fights reflections bit better. Thise also load the back of the driver more so they are safer too. They are harder to build though because they require bent tunnel. Think of the trumpet, thats firm of such horn. Regarding horns, biggest I remember was in a discotheque in Germany. Paramount Oark. Their subs were under the dance floor in practicality two rooms. One room was a closed box and other was used to build the horn. Then horn took 180 true the floor and ended up in huge vertical opening. It was as wide as the lowest part of the dance floor and went like to the chest hight. There were huge speaker's hanging everywhere playing full range. Talked with sound man he said they have measured 150 dB for the program and up to 170 peak bumps for making people go home. I believed him. It was brutal.
Im thinking of one of the more known audiophiles in Sweden, the late Bo Hansson, he built a new house where he made a bass horn with the outlet from the cellar up through the floor under the couch. I dont remember the exact specs but it was something like linear bass down to 18 hz and immense decibels with one watt.
First off awesome videos and amazing builds you might could help me with a wow factor build I am looking for but I am not tech savvy enough to get the details on the box from the programs that you are using I’m a new subscriber to your videos and I am trying to design a 6th -8th order box for one 6.5 to see what it can do in terms of multiple frequency peaks like 32hz/50hz/70hz (good deep bass with the ability to deliver the pop bass known from 10” subs )
What tips would you give for someone looking to make a box for the first time. I have two 1" tweeters, 2 5 1/4" certain Vegas woofers and 2 2.5" Dayton audio dynamic drivers. I want to use the 5 1/4" driver's in the doors but want to design a box for the rear seats using the other parts. What would be the best idea, in your opinion, for an enclosure for the daytons and the tweeters. I have two 5" passive radiators and two possible crossovers as well. I almost forgot to mention them. Any ideas you could give me would be great
I remember watching a video a long time ago where a guy used the same sub and amp In a ported box and then a horn, the horn got way louder and played just as low but he spent a lot more money on the wood and material and the box was too big, he ended up realizing the cost is more efficient if he just bought another sub and used a smaller ported box to gain the same decibel level. Obviously this doesn’t work with small woofers but with medium to big builds it matters
BLHs basically perfectly couple with each other, stacking 4 of these in a van with enough power can technically get over 145dB without difficulty. Horn efficiency is insane!
First off, thank you very much for making this video it is a masterpiece itself… now plz let me know the name of the 2 “fav songs” of yours with those dynamic bass drops you were talking about ??
I believe in that little sub I've got a 5 1/2 massive audio sub that I built a small 4th order enclosure for put it on a Rockford fosgate amp and that little thing shakes the doors door windows windshield using the right speaker speaker enclosure having the right power😊
I prefer the similar T style box. I built one years ago for under my rear truck seat. Box housed an eight inch woofer powered by about 550 watts at about 1.75 cu.ft. Most people thought I had two tens. Now I have two tens in a sealed box with aboth 1500 watts. It's a little tighter bass and prefer it.
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One 6.5" sub and 133db is the definition of budget bass head.
And even with the much lower tuning fq port than the speaker.I think if we can match the tuning of the port and the tuning of the speaker somehow,we could possibly get higher spl rating.And the control of the box over the speaker is too low so we cant push the speaker harder because there is no backpressure.I know he didnt build the box for the max spl rate,ım just mindstorming.Keep up the good work!
@@umiturgutaswwsa To tune higher he could simply reduce the length of the 1/4 wave resonator.
That sub cost more then I have in my entire build. Plus he’s using an $500+ amplifier.🤣😊
@@Thumper68 and the box takes up half of the damn trunk
@@brianb4501 I understand he did this build because his viewers asked to see this, and this box type requires tons of air space, and to be honest, it is impressive for a single 6.5 inch subwoofer. It sounded great in my headphones. Im used to putting 6.5's in the doors lol. If I'm giving up 5.5 cubes of trunk space, I'd have to have an 15 to 18 inch sub because cone area is king in my book. Still very impressive to have a 6.5 inch sub hitting nice and low with good bandwidth. Good job building that crazy box. I haven't had a system in my car since I had a horrible, horrific 2021 and I got hit by a guy who blew a stop sign, and separately had a Pulmonary Embolism that nearly killed me, but I'm making a comeback and I'll have another truck with maybe a pair of the JP23v2's strapped and a JP 234 on the mids and highs for the front stage and eventually another JP 234 to power my 4x 6.5" enclosure for mids and highs in the back of the truck.
Dude you are by far the best production value in all of car audio, thank you so much for setting such a high standard. The video was great, the shot of the interior rearview area said it all, and the choice to do a horn is flipin sweet. Ps can you give us a close up of the AMM1 during testing and playing so I can gage the enclosure rise and watts thx!
Thanks for the suggestion. I will keep that in mind during the next video.
@@BudgetBassHead where can I buy a box man
@@BudgetBassHead great video! Have you addressed the spam comments pretending to be you?
Watch Steve mead or bobby gately
@@BudgetBassHead чв он же t-line лучше звучит когда повернут на 180 градусов, порт и динамик должны смотреть не в сидение а в крышку багажника ...
Definitely impressive for a single 6.5 sub! People say its all in the box and this video proves it.
Every word this man says is so deliberate and educational. Never have I seen a video or had a professor so crisply direct in delivering knowledge.
Long-time subscriber... he's come so far and it only gets better! Sorry I fell off for a while with the likes and views, dawg.
@@notsure7404 not a problem Thanks for the support
Except rear-firing.
It's not.
Really capable piece! Shows if you concentrate on smart design instead of flashy gear you can get a lot out of it. Thank you for sharing this. 🙂
Totally agree!
You are very intelligent. I don't know how you learned everything that you know til this point, but I've been watching your content for a while now. Continue your journey sir, you're doing an amazing job. 💪🏿
Glad to help. And thanks for supporting the channel.
That's arguably not a FH, more of a TL. Not saying it doesn't work, just different parameters. The lack of initial throat is really the crux, but the length of path, the undersized mouth, and the bends in the path effectively change it enough to not be a true horn. Fun hint: creating a small throat connected to the rear of a specific volume induces similar resonances as a port and improves the drivers ability to maintain control of the cone movement. Changing your flare rate to take advantage of the size of the box and increase the mouth size will also help cone control. Smoothing the bends will help frequency response, too. Still a fun project, have fun learning!
Can you give an example?
I like the digital "trophy room" of all your designs. It really shows off the difference in size and shape, as well as quickly getting a good look inside different enclosures.
Man, your videos are getting better and better, keep on that grind
Appreciate it
Subscribed 9 mins into the video questioning why I didn't do it earlier. Top notch detail and explanations. I look forward to watching your other videos!
Awesome, thank you!
Good day Budget Bass Head. This has to be one of the best car audio sub enclosure videos that I've seen, and I live on RUclips Car Audio vids. If I didn't see that 6.5" Meso myself, make 37hz and turn 133db I would not have believed it. Please keep up the superbly grand job, your are extremely and meticulously informative with loads od detail.
Thank you so much for taking the time to create this video and to educate on how intelligent design can save you tons of money without losing quality.
Sir, you are one the the sharpest audio gods on here! Also my favorite due to all the detailed explanation you fit in on your videos. Awesome video! I never watch any of your videos without learning a ton of great stuff. I thank you once again!
I’d try sizing the mouth down to about half that size and scaling down the rest of the enclosure to match. I think closer to 1-1 cone to mouth is about ideal for that woofer and for most 6 1/2 and 8” woofers in my opinion. I’m pretty sure you’d get a surprisingly impressive response and output and save yourself a bit more space. Just my opinion, excellent video though. I wish more people would build horn enclosures for car audio.
Great lay-mans terms explanation / video. I figured you'd be blown away. I've build a few horn designs (by others), one using a fairly low end 10" sub for a car. Using the factory car amp, bypassing the existing built in 10 blew us away.
Just got done building a folded horn housing 2 8" subs for my 4 runner. Probably making a video soon on it once I get it sanded and painted.
There are some interesting enclosure designs that can do wonders for bass. My local guy built me a transmission line box for an American bass 12” I had years ago and that box was awesome. It had great range and could get low.
Dude, the 3d models really help! I appreciate your thoroughness
Impressive workmanship to say the least. Thanks for everything
i just had a argument with a friend over this ...that a unported 12 box is the best way to go he said ....lol......then i showed him this ...lol....amazing ...simply amazing ....
CT Sounds should definitely get more love than they do. I currently have a Meso-12 and it's a very high quality sub. I recommend them to everyone. I really enjoyed your video. It was very informative.
Totally agree!
Sir. Words cannot reflect the appreciation of your important contribution of your scientific and layman explanations and demonstrations of enclosures, speakers and amp experiments. You are on point I thank you.
You're more than welcome.
I wouldn't mind seeing two on a tapped horn enclosure loaded off the trunk .
🤯🤯🤯 by the way I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for sharing. keep up the amazing work
I was gifted a nice HP 5 or 6 inch sub. Now I know what I can do with it in my wife’s 2011 Sienna! Thank you!!
I love everything about this video.
One day I'm gonna get an single 8" or 10" in a horn in the back of my passat wagon
love these vids
convinced me to do passive radiator on my next box
2:03 I think he meant “one note wonder”. One hit wonder is the band “Hey Violet”.
Man, your videos are getting better and better, keep on that grind. One 6.5" sub and 133db is the definition of budget bass head..
After watching your video I had to build one put 2 ct tropos 6.5 in it with a 350 watt mono amp dropped to 1 ohm sounds amazing I listen to all kinds of music I tell people the drummer is in the trunk lol.
Once again, delivering practical install designs ....got a weatlth of knoledge and break it down to us laymen as well as practical install. I dont got a vehicle thats going to shows not sponsered by a speaker shop. The other half and kids love the stereo, i dont love having to haul my heavy ass box out and pull the fuse every time we go to grociery store, or on a trip anywhere..and the enclosure ideas u bring make her happy me happy and much appreaciated. I watch soundman , he an entertaing goof, but if want the how to and proper advise this is the guy im telling u . !
lol u got 2300 views and says video is four hours old..not trying patronize to much but im not only one whom noticed ur channel ....
Thanks! I would never use something that takes up this much space, but great video. You know your stuff and put it together into a video better than I've seen other people do.
This type of build is best utilized for like a venue setting due to how much room it requires. You can rock a club with few watts with this setup.
Dude! That’s a kick ass little 6.5” subwoofer, that enclosure definitely makes it. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🖤
So glad you are back now brother, you are my favorite car audio channel by far!
Years ago I proposed the design of an sql woofer on the sundown forum. My post was deleted and years later I start seeing these things first in the x series sundown , then everywhere. I'm not sure what happened there , but I remember the comments that were said . One thing for sure , the dual spider big motor long throw 6 and 8" drivers offer maximum power density and can deliver clean linear spl in the right box.
First video of yours I have seen and this is the car audio channel I always wanted to make but never had the time to do! Subscribed and liked.
One suggestion would be to invest in an RTA like a UMIK-1 (
Yes, I've suggested an RTA for him also. I'd go one step further, though. If you use a xlr microphone to xlr/USB cable you can swap the microphone for an rca cable and see the electrical frequency response. This is super handy for seeing crossovers (active and passive) work as well as verifying signals going into an amp. Calibrated Dayton Audio mic, cable and xlr adapter is under $125 also. These frequency response charts would add a lot of good info to the videos.
@@JasonWW2000 Agreed. Cool tip on the XLR/USB cable... haven't tried for my purposes but nice to have for sure. Little bit more pricey to put together but the UMIK-1 seems to be the easiest defacto all-in-one standard where you don't need phantom power and mics are already calibrated nicely and work well with REW.
As far as his testing goes, with the the effort he goes through to show simulations, the cost of a RTA is insignificant and it would be a no-brainer to include. He already has a AMM-1, wouldn't be much more of an effort to take multiple SPL/Power measurements (can be low power from an RTA or at high power wit the SPLLab) from 30-50Hz and put together a complete graph.
At the end of the day, point SPL measurements are totally useless as the real story is told by SPL/Hz/power/power factor.
Gotta love those low frequencies that hit the soul as you listen 👊🏾
I love seeing what truly can be done with such small drivers. Nice vid.
I love coming across someone who knows what they are talking about! There is so much garbage out there on sound systems. I’ve always wanted to do a T line enclosure.
I deff wanna see the score loading off the trunk! Great video and editing as always bro!👏👏👏
I have skar evl 6.5s in my truck and they are so impressive. I love the design I think I might try it with three of my six little subs
Very clean sounding, especially after adding the acoustic dampening material.
This was super interesting thank you for the information. Not sure if you were aware at the time but the lc2i actually has roll off below 33hz so you might have lost numbers below that.
Rear loaded horn, folded horn, Bose called it waveguide and trademarked it. These are all exemples of a transmission line enclosure. They've been around since the 1950's.
Qtr wave T-Lines and folded horns are my fave. You’re exactly correct about true horns and T-Lines.
A true T or H can actually play an octave lower at volume before db rolloff….. when designed and executed properly.
Currently on a journey of making a custom box for my single 12 setup. Got a steal on Facebook marketplace and have been tinkering with it to get some decent performance. Finally got a solid 1500RMS sent to it and it clips the amp before any distortion so going to give it a good 2000RMS soon and upgrade to a manufacturer spec box. Currently have it in a 1.75 cu ft and it’s suffocating only giving me 118dB. In the process of making it a 2.6 cu ft box tuned at 33hz. 💪🏼
Well done ! I've been involved in the car audio scene since the early '90s and I learned something new today! Thanks ! You got a new subscriber here! I never really ventured into the realm of folded horns and transmission line cabinets. I will be watching many more of your videos. Keep up the great content!
Best video from him that ive watched. This is some great stuff.
Sounded like on that sweep that you had output all the way down to 25hz! Fun project, though the only thing I wonder is how big of a box would be needed for a heftier sub. Maybe for small spaces the passive radiator setup is more practical?
@BudgetBassHead is this a scam above me? Looks like one.
You prolly hit 136 to 138 loaded of the trunk. Nice build bro. I've always been amazed with different horn builds the bass maze is king.
I must say, making a 6 in sub perform like that is impressive. I'm thinking about it myself. the only thing i would like to know is what if it was down firing? would the performance change.
This is very cool. As someone who used to like SPL AND SQ+, I ALWAYS looked for something with balance. I've been looking at good 8s or a 10, because I cannot have muddiness with my house music.
Long time subscriber here. Love the horn designs. Salute to 25HZ to Life for shouting you out. HexiBase did one as well on his page. You know, now you have to do a full wavelength T-Line to compare against the horn..............(hint)...
That little guy is putting in some work!!!!
Absolute killa vid bro!!!!
Welcome to the world of t-line enclosures
Most folded horn enclosures are actually working like a transmission line; they are a quarter wave enclosure with some amount of damping. True horn loaded enclosures need a huge amount of mouth area. Even a Tapped Horn is not a true horn enclosure; it is only good over about one octave, with the quarter wave tuning setting the low corner, and the half wave tuning (necessarily one octave above the quarter wave tuning) setting the high corner; above that, they become too phasey to be high fidelity. They are very efficient, but only over that octave.
Very interesting. Does the line have to be in one direction? I mean, could you make the box taller, but less wide if you not only turned the opening side to side, but also up and down? I'm not sure how to explain it 😄
just built a t-line for my wifes car for 1 dark audio nko 8inch sub looks alot like your box only smaller gets down to 20hz up to around 90 loud and punchy very musical
High quality video, really good explanation of the enclosure and Definitely a cool project. Amazing you got 133 out of it!
I’m very impressed! Makes me wonder what my 18 inch could do with a proper horn enclosure.
I hope you have an incredibly large vehicle to put that enclosure in :D
I run this same Meso, mounted in reverse, due to the back on the woofer taking up so much enclosure volume. Unless, you're looking at it, you would think I'm running a 10 or 12 inch sub. It isn't a budget thing in my case, more about keeping the weight low, and occupy a relatively small amount of space.
glad ur back to makin videos.. good job
More to come!
I have a 5th gen Camaro. Small trunk opening. Boxes are a struggle getting néeded volume that can actually fit in trunk.2 12s on only 1.7 cu feet per sub. Optimal 2.0 or more. Make up for it with 2k watt rms subs and 5k amp. Pouring on power makes it work nicely.
This is what it's about. Outstanding informative video bro
Damn!!!! 133db! Out of a 6.5” great video very detailed. Excellence job 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Amazing devotion and amazing box! Gave me the notion to build this with a twist / My curiosity of 2 x 8" in isobaric throat using a single fold horn. It's going to be big! I always appreciate your scientific depth of these builds sir - thank you!
You gunna capture and upload that?
I'll sub up rn bro
I love your videos and they have helped many like myself so thank you.
One note that I belive I'm correct on but could be wrong is that horn enclosures don't need loading surfaces like bass reflex boxes do or so I've been told being that if you have a bass reflex box in your trunk it'll sound loud until you open the trunk (the box loses its loading pressures) where as the horn doesn't lose much output from opening the trunk. I bet you would pick up a few db from loading the horn off a wall that's 1.0-1.5x the size of the port.
Great video. Makes you want to grab a couple 15's and a Sprinter van lol
Congratulations! You have earned yourself a new subscriber. I’ve been looking for a solution installing a sub in a single cab pick up truck. I’m using a Punch 10” P3s, with a skar 350 watt amp. It’s okay, but it doesn’t hit anywhere near it would if I gad a cubic ft.
curving the internal corners of the horn helps flatten the response and keep the output higher vs using acoustic stuffing.
Men you really need to make and test the DECWARE deathbox for 10", it looks like a very interesting project that promises to dupicate the power of the bass
Great video bro! Helpful, knowledgeable, style is on point 👌🏻
Cool thing is you have the room to add another or even triples in that box . Nice build
Man you remind me of what nolte and I were going through in our early days, back in the late '90s and early 2000s - when we were playing around with labyrinths and he came up with the snail shell and then the Double Shot, and it's almost sad that computers today take away like 75% of the discovery factor that was so much the fun part of it all, then putting it into practice at some local DB drag racing shows, just to see what it would do on the meter.
We did get a 3 inch woofer to hit 135 DB in Greg Perchall's CRX, using a nolte Snail Shell, a little tiny one - lol
Using a pair of 6.5" in a double shot, John was getting frequencies down into the upper 20Hz region @ 140+ dB
running like a 600 watt amp, but the bandwidth - well it's like anything, when you gain here you lose there - and the snail shell and double shot and labyrinth depending on how they're designed, tend to give you a more narrow band but much higher output.
I dig it that you're trying to come up with something more broadbanded, but I wonder what would happen if you were to turn it sideways or face it to the rear with just enough loading area behind it - you might see that 135dB that you're after
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This enclosure performed so well that I actually still have it. I usually trash these builds as soon as I'm done with them, but this one left an impression.
Love the quirky box tests
Excellent video. I have seen 2x12 subs with same power doing same results. Incredible how good is that little sub and efficiency you get from that cabinet. For a long time horn enclosures were go to solutions for PA applications. You would see them on everything from tweeters to subs. Their efficiency is huge and relates to the size of the opening if the horn. One you built looks like linear horn. It has way more challenges than necessary. More effective are exponential horns. They open up faster at the end of the horn. This provides big opening and high efficiency and fights reflections bit better. Thise also load the back of the driver more so they are safer too. They are harder to build though because they require bent tunnel. Think of the trumpet, thats firm of such horn. Regarding horns, biggest I remember was in a discotheque in Germany. Paramount Oark. Their subs were under the dance floor in practicality two rooms. One room was a closed box and other was used to build the horn. Then horn took 180 true the floor and ended up in huge vertical opening. It was as wide as the lowest part of the dance floor and went like to the chest hight. There were huge speaker's hanging everywhere playing full range. Talked with sound man he said they have measured 150 dB for the program and up to 170 peak bumps for making people go home. I believed him. It was brutal.
Im thinking of one of the more known audiophiles in Sweden, the late Bo Hansson, he built a new house where he made a bass horn with the outlet from the cellar up through the floor under the couch. I dont remember the exact specs but it was something like linear bass down to 18 hz and immense decibels with one watt.
What song was that @25:39? That goes hard.
Wonder if it would gain with the box turned around, with decent space between the horn mouth and trunk
Exceptional video now I the inner workings of a horn enclosure.
Thats pretty good. I always thought it would be fun to try a 1 or 2 18" horn setup. If I ever have the time and space I may try it.
Just buy a PA sub and put it on your roof rack, with the port over the sun roof.
First off awesome videos and amazing builds you might could help me with a wow factor build I am looking for but I am not tech savvy enough to get the details on the box from the programs that you are using I’m a new subscriber to your videos and I am trying to design a 6th -8th order box for one 6.5 to see what it can do in terms of multiple frequency peaks like 32hz/50hz/70hz (good deep bass with the ability to deliver the pop bass known from 10” subs )
What tips would you give for someone looking to make a box for the first time. I have two 1" tweeters, 2 5 1/4" certain Vegas woofers and 2 2.5" Dayton audio dynamic drivers. I want to use the 5 1/4" driver's in the doors but want to design a box for the rear seats using the other parts. What would be the best idea, in your opinion, for an enclosure for the daytons and the tweeters. I have two 5" passive radiators and two possible crossovers as well. I almost forgot to mention them. Any ideas you could give me would be great
Sweet! I’m waiting for my 4 meso 6.5s to show up. Tossing them in my crew cab Silverado on 1500rms. They seem top notch!
Good choice!
@@BudgetBassHead tossed them in, on a smart 3 instead.. not bad, but gonna swap them for two 10;s instead haha
My dude, this is a cool build and very intrigued with this.
I learn and discover techniques.. very impressive dude thanks for sharing your knowledge big toms up
I have a 18” solo x, I want to build a box with 30 to 33hz in my excursion. I appreciate your help.
Awesome video. That’s super impressive for a 6.5 single sub
Thanks!
@@BudgetBassHead absolutely.
Wow wow wow, that's sick. Amazing video,clear explanations,nice demo.👌👍🙏.keep it up.
I remember watching a video a long time ago where a guy used the same sub and amp In a ported box and then a horn, the horn got way louder and played just as low but he spent a lot more money on the wood and material and the box was too big, he ended up realizing the cost is more efficient if he just bought another sub and used a smaller ported box to gain the same decibel level. Obviously this doesn’t work with small woofers but with medium to big builds it matters
BLHs basically perfectly couple with each other, stacking 4 of these in a van with enough power can technically get over 145dB without difficulty. Horn efficiency is insane!
You’d get the same score from 2 12s on minimal power with smaller enclosures, saving money on wood and material and weight essentially.
It definitley rumbles in that backloaded horn enclosure! Would it rumble as much or more in a properly built ported enclosure for it?
First off, thank you very much for making this video it is a masterpiece itself… now plz let me know the name of the 2 “fav songs” of yours with those dynamic bass drops you were talking about ??
I believe in that little sub I've got a 5 1/2 massive audio sub that I built a small 4th order enclosure for put it on a Rockford fosgate amp and that little thing shakes the doors door windows windshield using the right speaker speaker enclosure having the right power😊
I wanna see a crazy 20+ 6th order build with these lil guys
Very very impressive 👌 you're a mad scientist ✌️
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Thanks man.
Can't wait to hear back from you.
This was good. I have a ‘16 Jeep Cherokee. Could this type of build work with 1/15’ Skar?
New subscriber, great video.
Question if your trunk was bigger would you still be able to use the same box asking cause I have a 2008 Yukon and was curious if I could do that box
I prefer the similar T style box. I built one years ago for under my rear truck seat. Box housed an eight inch woofer powered by about 550 watts at about 1.75 cu.ft. Most people thought I had two tens.
Now I have two tens in a sealed box with aboth 1500 watts. It's a little tighter bass and prefer it.