Thank you for making this video! This is probably the most informative video I’ve found on pilot pay and career earnings. I just crossed 100 hours on the long journey to the airlines. It’s a second career for me and best case scenario I’ll have 30 years at a legacy. This video really helped me think through what those different scenarios would mean. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much for the feedback!! I have some good ideas for the future so be sure to stay tuned and I’ll be sure to keep the updates coming and cover different topics along the way. Good luck with your journey, and congratulations on your success so far! I always tell people, the hardest part of any challenge (and especially in aviation) is starting and you are well on your way!
Using a 40 year career is the ultimate pointer you are young. Over the last 40 years the average legacy career has been 30 years. People getting hired at 25 is definitely an anomaly.
My now 24 year old went to the same airline at 23. I am still amazed at his accomplishments considering his attitude at 15 years old. My apologies for bragging a bit, but sometimes I can’t help myself. 😊
@@robertmontgomery7868 Also, If your referencing Alex, We are friends and I have been a part of his journey since when he applied to PSA! He's a very accomplished and great guy and I enjoy his friendship!
@@PilotPulseChannel I told him about this video after I had commented. He said he knew you and also said you are friends. He also explained your history going back to the PSA recruiting event.
Amazing video brother! We all greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to crunch those numbers. Great information there! Especially for us older student pilots.
Will put together. You did a great favor to aspiring pilots by showing the importance of seniority and opportunity cost. It is diffícult to understand from the outside.
@@PilotPulseChannelI am a retired 777 guy so I had a resonable idea about seniority. Your extensive work is particularly helpful to those deciding to become pilots and why it is important to just get it done. Great to see the growth at United.
Excellent day at crunch g Aaron! Appreciate the rays of hope as I progress thru flight training. Looking forward to flying with you in the friendly skies. Manny
What a fantastic video. I’m always asking my son (he started at your airline about a year ago) many questions that this video answers. He’s based at IAD.
Taxes brother… we end up paying almost 55%. ALPA gets their dues, Health Insurance costs, and state taxes. Don’t forget NJ gets a pound of flesh come April and that’s a fraction of what my buddy pays to NYC as a 737 captain, even though he lives in Florida. Also remember that life gets in the way.. especially after you upgrade. Being a captain isn’t easy and not everyone can do it. When I was a junior captain at my airline, it was tough. Glad I married the gal I did. Training a captain is exponentially more difficult and demands way more time from you. Sure the pay was alright once you get there but for years I couldn’t bid for a schedule I could control. These numbers assume you take the very first upgrade in any base. If you have kids in SFO but your upgrade is in IAH… that commute/schedule will ruin a family and your QoL. What happens if we hit a downturn and you are commuting to reserve or get knocked back to the right seat. These factors usually cause pilots to delay an upgrade for 1-3 years after they can hold the jet in the base they want. True right now the airlines seem to be growing at a rate that is almost double the attrition. The numbers presented here are well explained and look to be accurate but there is no caution in this tale. In 2001/2008/2019 nobody saw what those years had in coming. All I’m saying is don’t make the decision to jump into this career based on a presumption you’ll make 777 captain in 25 years from the day you start flight training. You could do all the work in flight school and not get the job when offered the interview. When I went through the process… it took years and thousands of hours to get looked at. Networking, volunteering, a 4 year college degree and job fairs were all required. I’m not bitter because of my path and I’m happy for anyone to escape what I went through. Just remember the airlines can flip a switch and bring it all back tomorrow. Don’t be fooled by the money. Taxes and life get in the way.
@jamesdean9957 Your absolutely correct, but life getting in the way is exactly that, its life. You will face challenges weather you're a cab driver, airline pilot or CEO so those things didn't really factor in for me. Taxes will always be taken as well, such is life. If you're making money, your paying taxes and I agree, I hate paying 55-60% taxes but its a fact of life, and I dont think that anyone with a social security would be surprised about being taxed alot for making good money. Not going to disagree either that hiring minimums have dropped significantly in the past couple decades but theres much momentum currently for someone to be able to start flight training and pursue this profession and should (in theory) be able to find themself at a Legacy with much less resistance than your personal example, but now I'll quote myself from this video "the Titanic was unsinkable". The only point I hoped to convey is that the risk to reward ratio is much much lower than the 2000's and with that, theres no reward with no risk. Thanks for the comment! I enjoyed reading your perspective and I don't disagree with anything you said. It actually gave me an idea for a future video too... "How much money will you pay in taxes during an airline career". But personally, I'm not sure I'm ready to know the answer! Haha!
@@PilotPulseChannel I appreciate the research you do when putting the videos together. It is keeping an old dog’s ear to the rail. Tell em to avoid the forums. That is a dark and dirty place.
@@TSG-td3jr No, the absolute maximum total one could pay in taxes is 40%. The federal tax rate in the US for someone earning this level ($250-400K) is 32%, which equates to an average of 27% federal tax on total wages. In addition to federal income tax, there is state income tax, which ranges from 0% in some states to 9% in New York, 10.75% in New Jersey, or 13.3% in California. Add Social Security tax of 7.65% (but only on the first $168,000) and medicare tax of 1.45%. So for someone making $250,000-400,000, there is no way total taxes could be more than 37% (40.5% in California). Union dues charged by pilot unions are not a tax. But they do take 1.85% of pilot pay.
Have you seen any evidence to show that United’s growth plans are realistic? Where will the demand come from to increase capacity as much as they are planning? Growth plans are good for attracting investors, but it seems like they are a bit far fetched.
Ever heard the saying “to aim high and miss is better than aiming low and hitting the target”? I think that’s the intent. Throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. You wouldn’t expect everything to stick. In times of change, I believe it’s important to branch out and try new things and be creative. The same ole same ole will never last forever therefore I’m excited to see what happens and how close we come to achieving the goal. It’s Kirby’s intent to saturate the market and push out the weaker players to be able to control pricing power. So far it has worked spectacularly. I’m no accountant so I can’t even begin to explain the inner workings but when we’re doing what nobody else has done and it’s actually working in our favor, I don’t think now is the time to pull back. My two cents…
Mind sharing the spreadsheets so I can imput the numbers for Delta? Also AA and SW just stagnated for the rest of the year and have some major problems ahead. I figure at least two more big downturns in next 20-30 years so I would lean towards the worst case scenario you mapped out. Thanks for all the hard work to let me know my career change and investment is going to most likely work out!
I’m glad this helped you map things out! I would say being a “glass half full person” if I were advising my family member, I would say plan on average, middle of the road in my “nominal” progression. I don’t foresee furloughs a long way out but certainly, planning for worst case scenario is always the safest and anything more than that is just a free-bee.
Awesome video! I began flying in 2020 before I had any idea what all this seniority stuff meant. I’m currently at a ULCC flying an A320 and have my app out at UA. Ultimately the reason for UA for me is QoL, base (west coast) presence, and growth. I am currently not competitive (first airline) but hoping to be competitive for a position within a few years. My own “numbers games” with UA growth look surprisingly similar to yours! Hoping to be a 737 LAX typed FO come 2026 for UA. Chasing those tailwinds as you say. Awesome video :) Side note - it seems competitive is about 1000 hours turbine / 2500-3000 total time. PIC preferred? How do you see these competitive numbers evolving as their growth plans take hold? Does it hurt, help, or neither that I’m applying from a ULCC as opposed to an aviate regional?
Congrats on all your successes! Might be seeing you in the 737 soon 👀. Competitive is +1000 turbine PIC, with around 5,000 TT as an average from what I’m seeing but that does vary up and down circumstantially so anything is possible. I’m. It quite sure how the plans will develop but just assuming supply/demand, as we need more and more pilots with concurrence of the deliveries, it seems possible that those minimums can drop, but if nobody else in the industry is hiring, it could continue going up. It’s a very economics based answer and I’m certainly not an economist, haha. I would say, you won’t know if you made the right decision or not until you find yourself at the dream job. I would say as of now it makes no difference. The only thing that concerns me is how long it may take you to get 1000 Turbine PIC in the long run where you could (in most cases) get turbine PIC much faster traditionally at a regional, or Aviate partner. However, your deck cards are pretty much set in stone at this point so I wouldn’t waste your time looking back. Just make the best of your current situation and do everything you can to continue growing and building upon your career. Hope to see you across the deck one day! Best of luck!
@@PilotPulseChannel luckily junior upgrade is 1 year and 4 months and with 42 aircraft to be delivered next year, I think it’ll continue to drop. Thanks for the response.
@@PilotPulseChannel United hires plenty of pilots with no turbine PIC time. In my new-hire class (2023), almost half the pilots came from the right seat at a regional/ULCC. I generally suggest people put their apps in when they get 1000 SIC.
I dont know if you would know the answer to this but. I cant get into the airline industry because of my age intil 2029 ish. What i have good sucess or would i need to wait?
During 2022-2023 it was possible due to the shortage of qualified pilots, however I believe most of the 135 hiring has dried up. 121 time will always be the gold standard.
Hey, I'm highly interested in United AVIATE and I'm looking into options to get in because I'm almost done with commercial. UNITED AVIATE is not hiring outside CFI's currently and all the pathway airlines are not hiring either. Any advice? Thanks in advance!
It sounds to me like you are competitive as it sits. Competitive right now looks like (on an average basis) 1000+ total turbine pic time or 2000 turbine time. Most important thing since you are retired is that your currency is decent. Like 100 hours in the last 12 months.
Hi! Another Aviate question. My friend is wondering if she gets accepted for Aviate through the professional training entry point, but will be taking her commercial through a Part 61 school will that disqualify her from Aviate?
It is my understanding that training (once accepted) should be completed by only aviate affiliate school. I could be wrong but thats my understanding and I feel very confident in that. I would suggest extreme caution when walking on the bounds of the rules, because a candidate wont find themselves going through the final review board until all requirements are met with 2200+ hours at an affiliate regional and waiting to get a class date at UAL. Only then would it be discovered that said person has been ineligible since they took their commercial, thus preventing them from being accepting to UAL.
Thank You very much for this video . I am currently a wannabe pilot 34 years young living In New York City . Do you think I have a chance to become a captain for United even though I am just starting out ??? I have minimal money and I planning on joining an airline In another role to try and get Into a flight school yea I know a whole lot what do you think overall ??? Thank You again
Yes I absolutely believe you have all the chances in the world of becoming a United pilot and Captain if that’s your goal especially in the current environment. It’s very possible with hard work, dedication and loads of commitment and self motivation . I strongly encourage you to pursue it if it’s truly a dream. Just don’t do it for the money or you will never make It, only to find yourself giving up and much poorer following training.
Great vid!! Any chance to get your quick take on DL & AA to see if comparable career progression can be made at the other legacies, or would UA offer much greater gains? With that do you think United Next will overshadow DL/AA growth plan pilot group wise? Again well done 👌🏼
Currently as it stands, UAL has faster progression by retirements after 2027 and a much larger order book than AA, the next closest. DL isn’t showing much signs of growth in the future. UAL is definitely the best place to be by career progression and and growth to offer the fastest career progression as it currently stands. That’s not me being biased, it’s based on data.
I had to rewind and listen again when you gave the date of 1/21/27. I’m 52 years old and just getting started with 8.6 hours so far in my logbook, but lessons are scheduled four days a week and are three hour blocks. I’d do more if I could, but 2027 is about the time frame I might reach ATP hours or sooner. I’m starting late but trying to catch up. I live 90 minutes away from IAH so United would be a wonderful legacy carrier to work at while still staying in my native Texas.
You have done the hardest part now, which is starting! Congrats to you and keep pushing forward. I’ve hired people that are 63 so you have so much career left! Good luck!!
Very informative. I start the academy in Goodyear, AZ this September at the ripe age of 48. If I progressed fairly well towards my minimums with Aviate, would I be looking at 2028 as my hiring year?
I would say that by starting at Goodyear in September, making it to UAL by 2028 isn't impossible but it may be challenging to pull off by then. You're assuming it will take 1.5 years to complete the program then 2.5 years to get your 1500 hours and then give 2700 hours to a partner regional. I like to say, "Aim high and miss but never aim low and hit the target". Also, go in with reasonable expectations. I say, 1.5 years to get the program completion, 1.5 years to get 1500 hours (assuming 100 hours per month of time building), then about 4-5 years to complete 2700 hours at a partner regional. Use that number then do everything in your power to beat yourself at your own race. Good luck with your journey!! -Aaron
Imagine you’re sitting down for your last check ride. That is the level of knowledge that we expect you to have. Also, be ready to answer some tell me about a time questions.
Thank you for making this video! This is probably the most informative video I’ve found on pilot pay and career earnings. I just crossed 100 hours on the long journey to the airlines. It’s a second career for me and best case scenario I’ll have 30 years at a legacy. This video really helped me think through what those different scenarios would mean. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much for the feedback!! I have some good ideas for the future so be sure to stay tuned and I’ll be sure to keep the updates coming and cover different topics along the way. Good luck with your journey, and congratulations on your success so far! I always tell people, the hardest part of any challenge (and especially in aviation) is starting and you are well on your way!
Air Force pilot headed to RTAG this weekend…this video was phenomenal!
I’m glad it helped and hope you had a blast at RTAG!!!
Using a 40 year career is the ultimate pointer you are young. Over the last 40 years the average legacy career has been 30 years. People getting hired at 25 is definitely an anomaly.
5 to 40 years is an all encompassing age range designed to inform people of all ages.
My now 24 year old went to the same airline at 23. I am still amazed at his accomplishments considering his attitude at 15 years old. My apologies for bragging a bit, but sometimes I can’t help myself. 😊
@@robertmontgomery7868 Also, If your referencing Alex, We are friends and I have been a part of his journey since when he applied to PSA! He's a very accomplished and great guy and I enjoy his friendship!
@@PilotPulseChannel I told him about this video after I had commented. He said he knew you and also said you are friends. He also explained your history going back to the PSA recruiting event.
Very good video and display with the graphics. Great to see the differences in career earnings at a shrinking airline vs stagnation vs growth!!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Incredible man! Crazy research to come up with all this and break it down.
Ben
Thanks Ben!
Amazing video brother! We all greatly appreciate the time and effort it took to crunch those numbers. Great information there! Especially for us older student pilots.
Thank you!! I’m glad it was helpful!!
Will put together. You did a great favor to aspiring pilots by showing the importance of seniority and opportunity cost. It is diffícult to understand from the outside.
I’m glad this was helpful for you! Stay tuned for more like it in the future!
@@PilotPulseChannelI am a retired 777 guy so I had a resonable idea about seniority. Your extensive work is particularly helpful to those deciding to become pilots and why it is important to just get it done.
Great to see the growth at United.
Excellent day at crunch g Aaron! Appreciate the rays of hope as I progress thru flight training. Looking forward to flying with you in the friendly skies. Manny
Congrats on all of your success!! Keep plugging away!
This video is amazing. Thank you Aaron.
You’re very welcomed! Thanks for the comment!
What a fantastic video. I’m always asking my son (he started at your airline about a year ago) many questions that this video answers. He’s based at IAD.
So am I! I’m so glad this helped you understand our world. It’s so “alien” to most people that it can be so overwhelming to try to comprehend.
Taxes brother… we end up paying almost 55%. ALPA gets their dues, Health Insurance costs, and state taxes. Don’t forget NJ gets a pound of flesh come April and that’s a fraction of what my buddy pays to NYC as a 737 captain, even though he lives in Florida.
Also remember that life gets in the way.. especially after you upgrade. Being a captain isn’t easy and not everyone can do it. When I was a junior captain at my airline, it was tough. Glad I married the gal I did. Training a captain is exponentially more difficult and demands way more time from you. Sure the pay was alright once you get there but for years I couldn’t bid for a schedule I could control.
These numbers assume you take the very first upgrade in any base. If you have kids in SFO but your upgrade is in IAH… that commute/schedule will ruin a family and your QoL. What happens if we hit a downturn and you are commuting to reserve or get knocked back to the right seat. These factors usually cause pilots to delay an upgrade for 1-3 years after they can hold the jet in the base they want.
True right now the airlines seem to be growing at a rate that is almost double the attrition. The numbers presented here are well explained and look to be accurate but there is no caution in this tale. In 2001/2008/2019 nobody saw what those years had in coming. All I’m saying is don’t make the decision to jump into this career based on a presumption you’ll make 777 captain in 25 years from the day you start flight training.
You could do all the work in flight school and not get the job when offered the interview. When I went through the process… it took years and thousands of hours to get looked at. Networking, volunteering, a 4 year college degree and job fairs were all required. I’m not bitter because of my path and I’m happy for anyone to escape what I went through.
Just remember the airlines can flip a switch and bring it all back tomorrow. Don’t be fooled by the money. Taxes and life get in the way.
@jamesdean9957 Your absolutely correct, but life getting in the way is exactly that, its life. You will face challenges weather you're a cab driver, airline pilot or CEO so those things didn't really factor in for me. Taxes will always be taken as well, such is life. If you're making money, your paying taxes and I agree, I hate paying 55-60% taxes but its a fact of life, and I dont think that anyone with a social security would be surprised about being taxed alot for making good money. Not going to disagree either that hiring minimums have dropped significantly in the past couple decades but theres much momentum currently for someone to be able to start flight training and pursue this profession and should (in theory) be able to find themself at a Legacy with much less resistance than your personal example, but now I'll quote myself from this video "the Titanic was unsinkable". The only point I hoped to convey is that the risk to reward ratio is much much lower than the 2000's and with that, theres no reward with no risk.
Thanks for the comment! I enjoyed reading your perspective and I don't disagree with anything you said. It actually gave me an idea for a future video too... "How much money will you pay in taxes during an airline career". But personally, I'm not sure I'm ready to know the answer! Haha!
@@PilotPulseChannel I appreciate the research you do when putting the videos together. It is keeping an old dog’s ear to the rail. Tell em to avoid the forums. That is a dark and dirty place.
@@jamesdean9957 ironically, this video ended up there 🤣
@@PilotPulseChannelpilots pay 55-60% taxes in the US?
@@TSG-td3jr No, the absolute maximum total one could pay in taxes is 40%.
The federal tax rate in the US for someone earning this level ($250-400K) is 32%, which equates to an average of 27% federal tax on total wages.
In addition to federal income tax, there is state income tax, which ranges from 0% in some states to 9% in New York, 10.75% in New Jersey, or 13.3% in California.
Add Social Security tax of 7.65% (but only on the first $168,000) and medicare tax of 1.45%.
So for someone making $250,000-400,000, there is no way total taxes could be more than 37% (40.5% in California).
Union dues charged by pilot unions are not a tax. But they do take 1.85% of pilot pay.
Well done! Was so informative. Thank you for all the work...
Thank you so much!! I appreciate the kind words. I’m doing my best to increase my upload tempo.
Have you seen any evidence to show that United’s growth plans are realistic? Where will the demand come from to increase capacity as much as they are planning? Growth plans are good for attracting investors, but it seems like they are a bit far fetched.
Ever heard the saying “to aim high and miss is better than aiming low and hitting the target”? I think that’s the intent. Throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. You wouldn’t expect everything to stick. In times of change, I believe it’s important to branch out and try new things and be creative. The same ole same ole will never last forever therefore I’m excited to see what happens and how close we come to achieving the goal. It’s Kirby’s intent to saturate the market and push out the weaker players to be able to control pricing power. So far it has worked spectacularly.
I’m no accountant so I can’t even begin to explain the inner workings but when we’re doing what nobody else has done and it’s actually working in our favor, I don’t think now is the time to pull back. My two cents…
this is amazing man, awesome work!
Thanks a ton! I really appreciate the feedback!
Mind sharing the spreadsheets so I can imput the numbers for Delta? Also AA and SW just stagnated for the rest of the year and have some major problems ahead. I figure at least two more big downturns in next 20-30 years so I would lean towards the worst case scenario you mapped out. Thanks for all the hard work to let me know my career change and investment is going to most likely work out!
I’m glad this helped you map things out! I would say being a “glass half full person” if I were advising my family member, I would say plan on average, middle of the road in my “nominal” progression. I don’t foresee furloughs a long way out but certainly, planning for worst case scenario is always the safest and anything more than that is just a free-bee.
Awesome video! I began flying in 2020 before I had any idea what all this seniority stuff meant. I’m currently at a ULCC flying an A320 and have my app out at UA. Ultimately the reason for UA for me is QoL, base (west coast) presence, and growth. I am currently not competitive (first airline) but hoping to be competitive for a position within a few years. My own “numbers games” with UA growth look surprisingly similar to yours! Hoping to be a 737 LAX typed FO come 2026 for UA. Chasing those tailwinds as you say.
Awesome video :)
Side note - it seems competitive is about 1000 hours turbine / 2500-3000 total time. PIC preferred? How do you see these competitive numbers evolving as their growth plans take hold? Does it hurt, help, or neither that I’m applying from a ULCC as opposed to an aviate regional?
Congrats on all your successes! Might be seeing you in the 737 soon 👀. Competitive is +1000 turbine PIC, with around 5,000 TT as an average from what I’m seeing but that does vary up and down circumstantially so anything is possible. I’m. It quite sure how the plans will develop but just assuming supply/demand, as we need more and more pilots with concurrence of the deliveries, it seems possible that those minimums can drop, but if nobody else in the industry is hiring, it could continue going up. It’s a very economics based answer and I’m certainly not an economist, haha. I would say, you won’t know if you made the right decision or not until you find yourself at the dream job. I would say as of now it makes no difference. The only thing that concerns me is how long it may take you to get 1000 Turbine PIC in the long run where you could (in most cases) get turbine PIC much faster traditionally at a regional, or Aviate partner. However, your deck cards are pretty much set in stone at this point so I wouldn’t waste your time looking back. Just make the best of your current situation and do everything you can to continue growing and building upon your career. Hope to see you across the deck one day! Best of luck!
@@PilotPulseChannel luckily junior upgrade is 1 year and 4 months and with 42 aircraft to be delivered next year, I think it’ll continue to drop. Thanks for the response.
@@PilotPulseChannel United hires plenty of pilots with no turbine PIC time. In my new-hire class (2023), almost half the pilots came from the right seat at a regional/ULCC. I generally suggest people put their apps in when they get 1000 SIC.
Can't forget compounding interest to the 401K as well!
Very true, however due to it being so speculative, I just decided to omit that and just use the base case scenario.
I had heard that the regionals have paused hiring for FO. Please do a video on if it is now hard to find a FO position at 1500 hours
Not true. There are several regionals still hiring. Apply to them all!
I dont know if you would know the answer to this but. I cant get into the airline industry because of my age intil 2029 ish. What i have good sucess or would i need to wait?
Answer this simple questions: Do you really love aviation? There is your answer.
Awesome video. Very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Is it possible to get hired with 135 PIC time or do they prefer 121?
During 2022-2023 it was possible due to the shortage of qualified pilots, however I believe most of the 135 hiring has dried up. 121 time will always be the gold standard.
Hey, I'm highly interested in United AVIATE and I'm looking into options to get in because I'm almost done with commercial. UNITED AVIATE is not hiring outside CFI's currently and all the pathway airlines are not hiring either. Any advice? Thanks in advance!
Where did you get your ratings from?
Heyyyy you made the video haha great one!
Sure did!
Erin, great video. What are competitive mins for retired mil with heavy fixed wing time and some part 121 737 time?
It sounds to me like you are competitive as it sits. Competitive right now looks like (on an average basis) 1000+ total turbine pic time or 2000 turbine time. Most important thing since you are retired is that your currency is decent. Like 100 hours in the last 12 months.
@PilotPulseChannel Many thanks. I'm at ~1125 mil hours (turbine multi) now and ~425 B737 121 time... but only ~275 hours of KC135 (B707) PIC.
Hi! Another Aviate question. My friend is wondering if she gets accepted for Aviate through the professional training entry point, but will be taking her commercial through a Part 61 school will that disqualify her from Aviate?
It is my understanding that training (once accepted) should be completed by only aviate affiliate school. I could be wrong but thats my understanding and I feel very confident in that. I would suggest extreme caution when walking on the bounds of the rules, because a candidate wont find themselves going through the final review board until all requirements are met with 2200+ hours at an affiliate regional and waiting to get a class date at UAL. Only then would it be discovered that said person has been ineligible since they took their commercial, thus preventing them from being accepting to UAL.
@@PilotPulseChannel Thank you! Will let her know!
Incredible keep it up with good content sad to see bro is underrated
Thank you!!! Starting small and growing responsibly!
Thank You very much for this video . I am currently a wannabe pilot 34 years young living In New York City . Do you think I have a chance to become a captain for United even though I am just starting out ???
I have minimal money and I planning on joining an airline In another role to try and get Into a flight school yea I know a whole lot what do you think overall ???
Thank You again
Yes I absolutely believe you have all the chances in the world of becoming a United pilot and Captain if that’s your goal especially in the current environment. It’s very possible with hard work, dedication and loads of commitment and self motivation . I strongly encourage you to pursue it if it’s truly a dream. Just don’t do it for the money or you will never make
It, only to find yourself giving up and much poorer following training.
Great vid!! Any chance to get your quick take on DL & AA to see if comparable career progression can be made at the other legacies, or would UA offer much greater gains? With that do you think United Next will overshadow DL/AA growth plan pilot group wise? Again well done 👌🏼
Currently as it stands, UAL has faster progression by retirements after 2027 and a much larger order book than AA, the next closest. DL isn’t showing much signs of growth in the future. UAL is definitely the best place to be by career progression and and growth to offer the fastest career progression as it currently stands. That’s not me being biased, it’s based on data.
Can you add a link to share the spreadsheets?
No link, but please feel free to screen-shot whatever you like from the video.
Phenomenal!
Thanks Jacob! See you in the friendly skies!
Fantastic
Thanks Alex!
I had to rewind and listen again when you gave the date of 1/21/27. I’m 52 years old and just getting started with 8.6 hours so far in my logbook, but lessons are scheduled four days a week and are three hour blocks. I’d do more if I could, but 2027 is about the time frame I might reach ATP hours or sooner. I’m starting late but trying to catch up. I live 90 minutes away from IAH so United would be a wonderful legacy carrier to work at while still staying in my native Texas.
You have done the hardest part now, which is starting! Congrats to you and keep pushing forward. I’ve hired people that are 63 so you have so much career left! Good luck!!
Very informative. I start the academy in Goodyear, AZ this September at the ripe age of 48. If I progressed fairly well towards my minimums with Aviate, would I be looking at 2028 as my hiring year?
I would say that by starting at Goodyear in September, making it to UAL by 2028 isn't impossible but it may be challenging to pull off by then. You're assuming it will take 1.5 years to complete the program then 2.5 years to get your 1500 hours and then give 2700 hours to a partner regional. I like to say, "Aim high and miss but never aim low and hit the target". Also, go in with reasonable expectations. I say, 1.5 years to get the program completion, 1.5 years to get 1500 hours (assuming 100 hours per month of time building), then about 4-5 years to complete 2700 hours at a partner regional. Use that number then do everything in your power to beat yourself at your own race. Good luck with your journey!!
-Aaron
Hi! How can I prepare for my United Aviate interview?
Imagine you’re sitting down for your last check ride. That is the level of knowledge that we expect you to have. Also, be ready to answer some tell me about a time questions.
@@PilotPulseChannel thank you!