Babylon 5 Reboot New UPDATE From Series Creator J. Michael Straczynski
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In a surprising and intriguing move Joseph Michael Straczynski the creator and showrunner for the 90s science fiction series Babylon 5 is now rebooting his original creation which is set to air on the CW network. However there have been some significant changes at the network itself that have impacted production. In this video I’d like to discuss the latest changes at the CW and how this has affected the planned reboot.
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JMS's biggest challenge: Finding worthy candidates to fill the shoes of Mira Furlan and Andreas Katsulas who were monumental as Dellene and G'kar.
Don't be surprised if those two characters don't exist at all in the new story.
@@sethzwicker3631 Londo could still be Emperor, and Peter Jurasik is still alive.
Biggest challenge would be to stand up to all the diversity meddling that would be forced on him by an already woke studio. Also the budget needed for a proper reboot isn't something i see an already failing warner doing if the matrix "reboot" was anything to go by.
It's creating the character that JMS excels. I see the biggest challenge to be finding a studio and decision makers who will let him retain total creative control. Actors can be found - creative control cannot (be forfeited).
@@m4nt1c0r3s is this a joke reply? Forced diversity? You are aware of the whole ethos of the Babylon Project, aren't you?
One of the best sci-fi series, I just wish it got the carte-blanche budget and support it deserves. If they give JMS the money Paramount gives Star Trek, who knows what we could end up seeing. Here’s hoping we see Mr. Morden, just so we can wave to him.
That's so true, even their shitstorm of a show Discovery, hated by almost all trekkies and with the lowest ratings of any Star Trek series before it and yet it still gets funded for more seasons. Unbelievable
@@marcozolo3536 the best aspect of Discovery for me is that the series has finally moved farther into the future and not backwards. i was hoping for a couple hundred years and they've jumped almost 1000yrs. to me that's awesome. but for some reason people don't like that or even the technology that goes into 32 century ship designs. that alone gives the show solid points. but it's still not good enough. i don't get it.
@@Perurikun it's not good enough because the writers could give a shit about the tech or good coherent storytelling. Yeh sure they can say abracadabra we're in the 50th century and throw in a ship that looks abit different, whoopdidoo doesn't have the same impact as yesteryears Trek that went into detail as to why it was a future ship or using different technologies. Or from a whole other species or empire. That's why the care factor for these cookie cutter Sci fi's just don't gel for me.
More power to you if it's your thing. But the writers never picked up a single book or DVD of the past Trek. It's offensive to be honest. Decades of lore thrown down the toilet for Emo Spock or some SJW bs. Did you know that Enterprise and Voyager and even The Next Generation had episodes about future time travellers. I bet Discovery could give a toss because Kurtzman isn't interested in revisiting those characters or episodes, he ain't a true fan. Anyways to each their own
@@marcozolo3536 "some SJW bs" Ah. There it is. The admission that invalidates everything you're saying. The ugly truth behind your hatred.
Wish I could embed a gif of Vir waving...
I worry mostly due to how good the original series was. It is no exaggeration to say they captured lightning in a bottle with the actors. Londo and G'Kar. Delen and Sheridan. And of course that moon faced assassin of joy, Stephen Furst. The list goes on Lyta Alexander, Jerry Doyle... honestly we could be here all day. I just can't see anyone coming remotely close to what they had.
4 of those actors are dead. another sad thing about b5 and trying to recapture its magic.
Thats what i am saying. I kinda worried that these new actors wil "take libraties" with their charaters.
No doubt it will be a younger, 'edgier' cast of complete unknowns.
@@kirishima638 Cast on looks, and carrying a surprising lack of gravitas... :)
the cast was really great, even supporting characters were amazing, lyta, marcus, garibaldi, zack, dr. franklin, the monks, vir, technomages, the unspeakable mr. morden, lenier, the wives of londo, and the "guest villains"
There are a lot of things to unpack here. On the one hand, it's great that JMS himself is heading it up, so it'll still be his vision of it. There's a solid fan base, so the support is there. But, that original cast is legendary; that's a lot of chemistry that, at best, will be damn hard to replicate, and the fact that so many of them have passed on means there's no chance of seeing their involvement in it. And... It's the CW. That's a really big coin toss on the quality of the show. I think I'm just gonna hold off until there's something more concrete to go on before I form an opinion of it
For what its worth, it looks like a lot more deliberate than just a quick cashgrab.
@@SpielkindFR JMS's involvement, plus the fact that one of the top dogs at the CW is huge fan, is a very good sign. I hope that can carry through to a quality finished product; I'd like to see B5 done justice. My worry is the CW itself. They've had some really good shows, and they've had some... really not good ones, especially lately. And that buyout raises a big red flag. I mean, it could open up a better way forward for B5; but I'm still over here feeling the hope fade for Amazon to breathe some new life into Stargate, so I may be a bit more pessimistic than usual.
The fact that most of the original actors have died is troubling on its own, but again for the reboot. I'd like to see a cameo or two from survivors, like Apollo did in the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
CW has had some successes. The original Charmed, Supernatural, and the current Stargirl lead me to believe there's some hope. Most of their shows are crap though, and we all know it.
@@protorhinocerator142 yeah, it's that "most of their shows" part that worries me. But I agree, if it gets off the ground, I'd say we'll see a cameo or two in there.
Sidenote: I was so glad to see how they worked Richard Hatch into the reimagined BSG. Not just a cameo, but they turned him into a pretty solid and compelling character of his own
@@protorhinocerator142 Bruce Boxleitner as Ambassador Kosh.
The only thing dated about B5 is the technology at the time of filming. I still think the masterfully told storyline is among the best stories that space based sci fi has to offer. If that level of storytelling (and the financial backing to support it) can be brought to the reboot, it will be worth the wait.
i doubt anything that comes from the CW is going to be quality
Exactly I don't see how u could improve it beyond the set design. They better give evil chekoff a cameo lol
It's not the show technology but the graphics, I hope. Because the show tech is spot on accurate. The graphics are the best they could get at the time given their budget. I myself am not keen on a reboot but JMS is an excellent writer and I'm sure he will get something good going given the chance.
The set design was very 90s and always looked insubstantial
@@sambira I wish they would do a remaster where they replaced all the 90s CG with modern CG.
ONLY Peter Jurasik can be Londo Mollari. As the only Surviving cast member who's been in the entire original series and all the movies, he needs to be on the reboot
I hope they bring back Pat and Claudia. How Claudia left has always tainted the last season for me, I have read a lot about it, and it comes down to more studio interference, kind of what's going on now.
I love the actor,but would he even want to come back dude is 71. I think for practical reasons they may have to go with new actors for most of the cast.
@@kramer00999
I think she is the only one it would make sense to have come back and play the same character. Start the show with her being a full commander and the main person being a captain. Hope it happens,but they will most likely go with a new actor.
I fully agree with you that her leaving really hurt the last season imo.
Ivanova is still alive as well as the actress herself. But Londo died.. Peter is still alive. B5 unfortunately lost many of the main actors to death.
as long as JMS can maintain creative control, without executive meddling by the studios, i am sure the new reboot would be good.
On the CW?
Got here faster than N’Grath getting pushed out of an airlock.
I had doubts about this reboot until I heard JMS was writing it. I've been a fan of B5 since it originally aired and I look forward to what this new show will bring us!
Watching the OS of B5 while doing a 5 year stint of nightshift while simultaneously going through a relationship breakup and losing my house quite literally helped me stay sane and also possibly saved my life….
For me, the problem is Babylon 5 is as close to perfection as I've ever seen. As with any re-boot, "rose-tinted spectacles " syndrome will mean that any new version will have to be twice as good to be thought half as impressive as the original! But my main worry about the reboot can be summed up in 3 words...
Delenn, Londo and G'kar
It wouldn't be B5 without these 3 iconic characters but Mira Furlan, Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas gave such wonderful performances (Andreas in particular!) how could anyone else step into the roles?
If it were up to me I would simply remaster the original series, re-do all the special effects shots to bring them up to modern standards but leave the actors and story as-is. And then reboot Crusade which never got a chance to shine
the only way this could fly somehow would move the timescale way forward into another era with all new characters...like with Star Trek > Star Trek Next Generation or Star Trek Voyager. Impossible ? No! Difficult to do the original justice ? Yes!
I totally agree that Crusade never had a chance. It could have been wonderful. But because it was so short-lived the Crusade characters never had a chance to tap into the very invested affection we fans had for the B5 characters. JMS could more easily rebuild that story arc than try to replace the beloved B5 characters. No one is EVER going to be able to replace the original cast of B5.
you are very right, even in moments of silence between them they managed to convey emotionality, like the looks of delen and sheridan, the end of the arc of marcus and ivanova or when gkar says to londo "my people can never forgive your people, but I can forgive you"....only high level actors can do that.
The show does not have to be twice as good bro. Fans of the orginal are going to watch it as long as its not total trash. Also there is a good chance of picking up new fans.
The main problem imo is not the original caste members not returning. The main issues is the show going woke. Remember that episode where the doctor operates on the child against the parents wishes and they kill the child at the end because of their religion. Will dude have the balls to do stories like that?
Will London and Gkar secretly really hate each other because they were dating and Gkar dumped him. Are we going to have a transsexual shape shifter?
@@captainmartin1219 Totally agree with you. If it goes woke then it will be rubbish, imo.
If a reboot is to be worth watching, it's got to have JMS at the helm. Even with the CGI looking dated on the original B5, I haven't grown tired of watching it from time to time - it's a seamless blend of Shakespeare and Greek tragedy all set in outer space!
In the memory of G'kar, I hope it'll be good...
It can't
I think it would be poetic if Bruce Boxleitner played the role of Lorien, the First One.
Cool idea!
Pure awesome sauce!
Something like that, yes. I always thought he was miscast. He and Scoggins were too pretty for their roles, making B5 feel like a soap opera.
The best Sci-fi series of all time! Hopefully it continues.
I absolutely LOVE B5! After all, I did spend almost 4 figures on a signed trading card way back in '99...
Even so I feel that the chances of the reboot going ahead are hanging on a thread.
with the way they make shows in the current day, it might be better being in limbo for a few years! we don't want another star trek discovery or the prickard apology tour! the latter has ruined watching TNG for me now!
I had a signed Mr Morden :P
One of the current executives at Warner Brothers was a huge B5 fan back in the day. That always helps. But I honestly feel like JMS should either move into the future or the past. B5 wasn't perfect but you aren't going to improve on it. A B7 or B9 series could help to show parity with B5 and how some things just repeat like the universe has a pulse or cycle. As in evil rises up to be defeated and then rises anew. That guarding against the darkness is a constant struggle for every generation. I believe it was hinted that Valen becomes like the Vorlons, a being of light and energy. So you could have his influence around.
@@Ingethel- Nice! Mine is one of the numbered JMS creator cards.
And I also got a Claudia Christian signature on an Ivanova 5*7 picture card when she visited the UK on some tour, I can't remember what she was promoting.
@@StarCadet That all sounds good! As long as Doug Netter doesn't screw things up from beyond the grave anything will be good.
I'm optimistic and hopeful about B5 returning. Also, Claudia Christian (pretty sure) had kept quiet that JMS has been in touch with all of the surviving B5 cast members to let them know, and to try and get them on board the new production. I am looking forward to this, especially to see how JMS has grown as a writer in 25 years, not to mention The special effects today. I'm not worried about it being teen angst on the CW. They have given him a lot of leeway to write the pilot he wants.
Still, I'll be convinced when I'm sitting back and watching the opening, whenever that is. Great video - keep 'em coming!
I don't know whether to be excited or mortified by this reboot.
Mortified, It is on the CW.
Go with mortified
Mortified...
I just wana remastered B5 with modern graphics for the space battles.
@@boratb258 Yeah, that won't happen. Would be nice, but if they touch it, they'll ruin it...
I'm worried with the CWs recent track record but hopeful that JMS will be able to maintain control and make it good. B5 is my 2nd favorite sci Fi series of all time behind Star Trek TOS. Please just let it be good!
Just as long as the CW has no input into the creation...or we will wind up with Batwymyn 5 or other such woke shite.
That clipboard socialism they have infecting them will factor and probably fail the series
I've worked on several CW pilots that have gotten lost in the hell of perpetual reshoots, such as the Lost Boys reboot/remake. They have been working on the Lost Boys pilot for 3 years now. CW just doesn't have the budget for this show right now. It is used to making shows on a shoestring budget. Even The 100 still had a rather bare budget. According to CW they have never been profitable and make all their money through redistribution to other networks. The best hope for Babylon is to try and sell it to Amazon or Netflix. Otherwise it is dead.
I'm calling it now Wayne. You are going to watch your "beloved" series get destroyed. (An original B5 fan who watched it back on UK TV's channel 4)
JMS is now working in this 2020s environment.......and it's the CW!
All i can say is....The shadows are laughing!
@@mephistoxarses8585 CW is for sale. As I said CW won't ever and can't ever make it. it is either dead, or it has to now find a new home somewhere else. (you didn't read the article did you?)
reboots are always a difficult thing, but with JMS at the helm it has a better chance then other shows (CHOFF V )
Long live Mr Bester!
Don't get your hopes too high. The involvement of the original creator is not always a good thing. It didn't save Prometheus/Covenant from sucking.
He was directly responsible for Legend of the Rangers and Lost Tales and they sucked hard.
the track record is not on the side of your argument, Cameron was involved with latest terminator, that sucked hard, Wachowski was involved with the matrix reboot, that didnt work, Carter was involved with the X-Files reboot, that also was lackluster. I'm sure there are evidence to the contrary, like the recent Ghostbusters, but that came after 2016s attempt. so yeah nah, just stop touching stuff that was already perfect just to bank on nostalgia without a shred of will to actually make something good.
Babylon 5 remains one of my favourite series of all time. What made it was it's cast and writing. The calibre of acting as representatives of entire civilisations going head to head with their own personal conflicts remains unparalleled.
It had characters that had seen wars, strife and victory. You could see it on their faces.
I'll admit I was very sceptical of the BSG reboot but it ended up being another favourite. It's just hope a 'youthful cast' doesn't detract from what should be great storytelling.
If they updated B5 with modern CGI, I'd buy the boxset in a heartbeat.
I love B5. I introduced my wife to it and she really enjoyed it. One day I'll introduce my children to it. I just don't have much faith in reboots and adaptations these days. They inevitably turn to ash. I hope I'm wrong but I'll be surprised if I am
I also don't see how they could top the performance of characters like Gkar and Delenn. Some of the best moments in any TV show came from Gkar. And I still get misty eyed from the final scene with Delenn and Sheridan. How do you reboot that?
Unfortunately it will probably be a mess. They can't help trying though.
@@kevinscott3781 Agreed that it will probably be a mess. But they could have left it alone, JMS didn't have to try and tell the same story in a different way. He could have created something new. But I guess we'll see...
JMS needs to maintain total control over it. Even then, I really, really...I don't know. I don't think you can do a B5 anything without a Londo, a G'Kar, a Delenn, a Morden, an Ivanova, and I ... cannot ... picture anyone else in those roles. I get that this is a chance to maybe explore some "what would happened if this person hadn't had to leave the show?". But I battle optimism and loathing at the idea of a reboot. I'm trying real hard to just stick with "In JMS I trust", but that worming doubt keeps finding ways to pop up and has to be stuffed back into it's cell each time I think about it.
And I can't suppress a fear that certain aspects / characters I truly loved will be considered "not the meat of it" and chopped up and lost in that blender he talked about. So I'm just focusing on that Lorien quote. _""Your patience is also a weapon, when used properly. We will arrive when we arrive and we will have the weapons we have. You can not win this war through force, you must .. understand your way out of this. Sheridan knows. What remains to be seen is whether he knows that he knows."_
I hear you. I still don't know how it will work either. It can be done though, Roddenberry rebooted with Star Trek: The Next Generation. Both this and the original were awesome. If this video's sources are to be believed, then the script and series will be similar, but not the same. Interesting.
How have I not heard of this before!!?? I adore the original B5, with Delenn and Ivanova being childhood heroes of mine I still look up to. I've always wanted either a reboot or a continuation of the story but was informed that WB was stonewalling the project hard. That this may have changed is incredibly encouraging! That the reboot is still being made by Straczynski is a god send for my dreams. I will be looking forward eagerly for more information as time goes on!
Considering the production hell that the original show had to go through, this current hiccup with the CW shouldn't be too much of a problem.
The reboot will need a stroke of casting genius to have a chance to succeed … it will be no easy task to assemble a new cast with merely 25% of the chemistry of the original cast …
My hope? There's a saying among Buffsters and Browncoats, "In Joss we trust." Likewise, JMS has earned that respect. Barring the network jacking around the original it would have been a shining gem. (As it was, it was a slightly flawed gem.) So long as he has time to plan and execute, I am confident that the result will be worth watching.
@richtea78 Forget what you think you know about Whedon. Watch his work as a show-runner and listen to his dialogue. It's tough to compare story arcs because Joss' 5 year arc (Firefly) was cut off at the knees.
@richtea78 Fair enough. I hadn't intended to compare them but to say that as I trust that Joss will do a good job, so I trust JMS. I think we can agree on that.
Bringing this back now is exactly what the world needs. I hope it's relevant to our times. I don't want to see any of the original cast but I'm sure JMS will do what best for the story he wants to tell. I hope the story is relevant to our time. I will always check out what Joe is doing. I wish they'd bring back the idea of one show runner, one creative vision. Only Joe could have revitalized Star Trek.
I'm always a bit unnerved by reboots. I hope it works well. They'd have to do something different with some of the roles, as nobody could be Delenn, G'Kar or Londo
It won't. You can reboot a mediocre show that had potential (like Battlestar Galactica, I was a fan of both series, but would have been the first to admit that the original was very mediocre). You cannot reboot successfully a great show, particularly with the performances we had for G'Kar, Londo and Ivanova. Why couldn't they just make a spinoff in the same universe? It certainly is big enough to allow for that. Rebooting is courting certain failure, and continuous unflattering comparisons with the original.
Star Trek TNG was successful in no small part because it did not attempt to "erase" the original series, which is what a reboot does. It's starting with the wrong foot. A bad decision all around.
@@theguyfromsaturn yes, I tend to feel that way too. It might become its own beast, but God knows how it'll work in the end. So many of the actors couldn't be replaced, and even those that perhaps could be played by someone else were originally performed with such charm that it would still feel awkward to see other people in those roles.
If it does come back, I for one would love to see more Earthforce ships. Still not sure the network it's going to be on is the right fit but optimistic as the shows original creator is behind the wheel and it's reassuring IMO that the president of the network is a fan. Wish it hadn't been pushed back.
Due to budget constraints we never got to see the full firepower of the omega class destroyers. All those missile tubes on the side plus other tricks up its sleeve. The same goes for the Centauri and other races ship classes. There was intended to be so much more than directed energy beams and plasma pulses. Hopefully this time we will finally be able to see that on screen.
@@ItsCoreyLynxxYall I personally never had any issue with primarily energy weapons. But definitely interested to see what else they had in mind. I just hope we get to see some more of the fleet & hopefully see them in action. Maybe even some warlock class ships but I doubt it.
As Zathras would say, “That was the one that was. This is the one that will be.”
I have to be optimistic, but cautiously optimistic given the concerns stated here and in other forums.
There will be more than one Babylon 5. One is Babylon 5, and the other is Babylon 5 - slight difference.
No one ever listens to Zathras.
The only justification I can see why this series needs rebooting is not technology-related. The Story and the Dialogue were so good, the acting and chemistry was perfect and the ambition still came across. These aspects easily outweigh the dated effects and kinda cheap looking sets for me (compared even to other series of the time).
Rather it has to do with Michael O'Hare having to leave the show after the first season, forcing JMS to rewrite the Story. Also, as far as I know, they were unsure about whether or not they'd get a fifth season, so they crammed everything they needed to tell into Season 4 (both conclusions of the Wars against the Shadows and against Clarke), making the eventually greenlit Season 5 an extended epilogue that only exists to tie up some loose ends.
Overall, JMS telling the story he originally wanted to tell with more time to breathe in later Seasons sounds like a good idea. Yet, considering how other recent shows have turned out, I remain very wary...
Remaking B5 with modern technologies and new directorial methods would be great. I support the remake/reimaginning if it similar to what have been done with BSG, as long as the CW don't tray to inject or push their politics into it.
To me B-5 was the best scifi series I've seen in my 66 years. This is coming from a big Star Trek fan. If Michael Strazinski is doing the reboot, I'm on board. When I first heard rumors about it, I wondered if it could be as good as the original. Strazinski being behind it is good enough for me. I hope the cast is good as the first.
I want to believe.
I hope beyond hope that this will not only happen, but have the spirit and optimism of the original, but I also fear for it...
The CW has a track record of both failure and ideological tampering, I can only hope that MJS truly has the freedom to make the show like it was in quality without stooping to cheap ideological inserts. The original B5 was ideologically progressive, very much so for its time, but it did not make the show revolve around it like so many have done recently. If both the show and audience are treated with respect than this could be the new series we all need right now. If not, then one more of the greats falls from grace in our collective memory...
Fuck... CW, are you kidding me?
I don't want a "re-telling" of Babylon 5. B5 doesn't need a reboot, it's perfect as it is. Will Straczynski keep the show pure and free from outside influence? Which of course the answer is no. He'll just be kept around to give the series legitimacy, but the idiots at CW that have consistently chosen to produce horrible series that are woke dumpster-fires, will take control of the reboot and push more garbage. We've already seen this with Star Wars and Star Trek. Add another franchise to the pyre.
They only need to update the graphics and the special effect. And not alter anything else.
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, JMS is doing it, and who could be better to understand the spirit of the original and to explore it further and make it interesting?... But the danger of doing damage to what is already an excellent series gives me pause. I wish they would just place more ideas in the same universe, as they were doing with Crusade before it got canned...
B5 was groundbreaking at the time - going against the previous model in America of finding a good thing & running it in to the ground. JMS set out to tell a story and once it was told was perfectly content to pack his bags & move on. The fact that is was such a terrific story only added to his class, in the end, not being a classic good vs evil story but being much more nuanced about self determination. I don't think that I'm going to far afield by comparing it to Nabokov's "Lolita" as a morality tale regarding the error of imposing a "reality" on another as being evil regardless of the apparent moral stature of the one doing the imposition (see Azar Nafisi's brilliant book & analysis "Reading Lolita in Tehran").
now I'm glad they are still working on this project and I am looking forward to it, but I have always been slightly leary about it being on the CW with their recent (at least the last 10 years) new shows either being flops that didn't fully flop or things that bring in a new audience that kills their longer running shows even though in my area the channels that aired B5 originally had become the CW. I am also very sure that if the show runner really wants to make this new vision no matter what that after giving them their chance he will go to another option like one of the streaming sites like Hulu, Netflix or something like that to get it done. It has honestly been a long time since a good SCI-fi space opera has been on the air, and B5 has the most potential to reinvigorate this area what with the lack luster returns of Paramount over saturating with their Star Trek franchise and losing some site of what had made that franchise shine.
Been a long time ? Mate you need to check out The Expanse, as good a sci fi series as you'll ever see
@@tharr67 I liked the Expanse, but I was talking Network not streaming there, plus it's over anyway with this season on Amazon
@@georgeharris572 Fair enough, hopefully Amazon will pick up the last 3 books at some point in the future
So, potentially what could see is a far darker version of Babylon 5, right? All that shadow storyline.. All those telepaths.. A new Nestor.. Still, It's going to be hard to follow or replicate the chemistry between characters like Londo and G'kar (played by Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas brilliantly). Just imagine what a Vorlon ship might look like in a reboot.. this has me exited.
If they can recapture lightning in a bottle like they did with Battlestar Galactica , I would LOVE to see a reboot of my beloved B5.
The secret to success would be successfully paying homage to the original without trying to replace or copy it.
The original cast is a collection of legends that would be near impossible to recapture in quality.
My biggest concern is that it is to be hosted on The CW Network, which has a history of destroying historic franchises.
If they can keep the modern socio-political nonsense and woke narratives that killed other promising shows out of the mix, it will go a long way toward aiding in making the show a success.
@Ram Rod Agreed
Love those two, actor and actress and it very saddened my heart to learn of her passing. I was hoping that one day I could have met both but never came to fruition.
Which actors are you talking about?
@@rogerbeck39 the actress who played Delemn, and actor who played G-kar.
I freakin love B5 and I’m so glad they’re working on a reboot. It will be difficult to accept some of the characters like a new Sheridan.
I have no clue about who could play Sheridan but I'd like very much to see Cara Gee (Drummer) as Ivanova
@@henrymach omg yes. Cara Gee would be perfect
Bring it on-!!! Wanna see how this gets done. Loved the original series
Loved the original B5 and would love to see it reworked in spite of my overall objections to reworking past storylines. B5 is a major exception and I look forward to its success!!!
Some things in the original series needs some rework
@@rommdan2716 Yeah the problem is that current day rework means something entirely different, cant wait for the Michael Burnham version of Sheridan, and all the trash that comes with it. I would take just a remaster of the old series than a reboot in current climate any day of the millennium.
I'm all for a reboot under two conditions...#1 JMS creates it and gets the last word on everything #2 It does the memory of B5 justice. If #1 is accomplished then we should get a fantastic and intricate story with deeply layered characters. #2 the challenge here will be to finding a cast that can pull off such a story as well as the original B5 did. Will this show suck you in, make you feel one episode and think the next? Will this show fear controversial topics and long awesome speeches? Will the focus be on personal drama vs the more used and worn out social drama? Can it keep the same less bright atmosphere? Will it be good enough to watch on repeat every couple of years? I sure hope so.
My son and I, I guess he was 11 at the time, watch the series religiously every week. As soon as we found the DVDs on sale in a local bookstore we bought them all in one big bite. Periodically we watch episodes now. He is ripe old age of 39! 😂
I absolutely think the show can be remade. It's premise is fundamentally classic, and Straczynski has repeatedly proven his ability to weave a novel story. My issue has always been with the level of financial support afforded it (well, that and corporate thievery/sabotage). There's being sensible with the cost of a show, and there's being cheap and putting the onus on everyone else to somehow still make it awesome. Case in point: A comparison made at the time of the original show's airing, Babylon 5 was operating on less than 30% of the same per-episode budget as Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. But, especially, with the advent of streaming media, I really think a TV network showing would be less than ideal ─ particularly as demonstrated by Marvel's run of work on Disney+. Hooowever, it might be the genius wild card move to keep it on a broadcast network ─ but well funded! ─ as there isn't much for it to directly compete with; I still think it should live someplace more Internet friendly like Hulu, but opinions are not inherently great.
Brutus.....you're living in the 2020's now...............and it's the CW!
@@mephistoxarses8585 Mephisto..... You're not stating anything new, captivating, or helpful............... And he still made it work on UPN with a crap budget the first time. I'd ask what your point is, but nobody needs more dots and some typing like that.
B5 deserved better then. It deserves better now. And that should be obvious. But, I'll give it a go either way.
@@artisan002 CW is UPN. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
A largely forgotten show that influenced so much. I am a big fan.
B5, alongside Farscape, was my favorite show when I was a kid. It had all the things to make a young guy passionate about the genre. Great story, awesome characters, sic visuals at least by the time. I am a sci-fi fan for life because of it, and hearing about its possible resurrection made me beyond excited! BUT! These days everything is being turned into woke clown parade, and honestly... I'd rather not see a reboot at all than watch, as my childhood being demolished, just to be appealing to a couple of loud clowns.
Your comment seemed reasonable until the end when you went down the rabbithole of right wing anti-intellectualism. Why does it threaten you so much to see actors who are anything but white, heterosexual and christian? FYI Ivanova's character was originally intended to be a lesbian and in a romantic relationship with another woman but they decided to keep that under wraps because that was still very taboo in the 90s and would have hurt ratings.
@@ItsCoreyLynxxYall Where did I wrote that it's threatens me if someone non christian, white, and hetero? If you could just copy-paste the part I would be gratefully, and delete it immediately!
Call someone a rightist based on one comment is pretty steep in my opinion but ppl tend to do this these days, instead of start talking to each other, but let me explain myself.
The role should be the key question when the actors being casted. "who is the best actor to play that role?" And if the best one who fits the best in the skin of the character happens to be black, asian, white whatever, just cast it! Story over!
When somebody being casted because the person's preferred skin color and not because they are good actors it's just sad and wrong.
Plus we are talking about a hard sci-fi setting with many different races and cultures. If I would have any problem with the representation of the non white gay etc etc I simply won't watch the genre, furthermore I won't have this conversation.
The problem starts when this is being forced just because we need representation! Yes, make a character gay or choose the actor from a different ethnic group, IF that is serves a purpose. Forced diversity just as bad as when someone purposefully leaves out an other person from a project just because the actor/actress has different skin color or religion etc.
We seen this many many times already. They did it in the Witcher, and its become a meme. The forced diversity tanked the Altered Carbon one of my favourite present day series. And they gonna do it with the new Lord of the Rings series too. Mark my word! That too gonna be a flopp and the fans gonna be called racist, bigott etc.
Huh... this is already too long so i hope I explained myself a little bit
@@chesterrory Your response is masterful, but what a shame you had to make it at all. Such is the hard-line leftist wokeism prevalent in todays world that so many who dare to voice an opinion which does not meet the party line has to either explain themselves in length (as you did) or apologise for an imaginary slight. Freedom of opinion only goes one way these days....be a leftwing woke SJW or shut up. Even accidentally unclear thoughts are used to beat people into shutting up.
@ItsCoreyLinxxYall. You can rest easy.....you have met today's quota for pushing a perfectly reasonable person into a corner for having the audacity to voice a comment which does not meet your party line of acceptability. Bravo!
@@ItsCoreyLynxxYall I agree, it's too bad that Talia Winters got killed off. As much as I loved Lyta, I really wish we'd gotten to see how her story played out. Also, it was very clear that Ivanova was open to a relationship with another woman, due to her past trauma, specifically her broken relationship with her father, and the brutal loss of her mother. It seemed obvious that Ivonova's relationship with Talia would unpack and explore her deep emotional issue, both in relation to her sexuality as well as her being a telepath. Probably good for JMS that it never happened though, as it almost certainly would not conform to the "born that way" narrative we have today, and would have been far, FAR too nuanced and honest for modern society.
Lesbian relationships were the taboo in the 90s, but the taboo now is the fact that the LGBT movement was wrong, the data is in, and lesbians are created, not born. We went from a 5% lgbt population, to 30% of millennials and 40% of gen Z being lgbt, and as Willy Wonka said in the tunnel, "AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS THAT THEY ARE SLOWWING! AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"
I don't know if society is ready to talk about the obvious fact that lgbt+ are a mental disorder epidemic that we as a society have created and even promoted and conditioned kids to embrace...
@@ItsCoreyLynxxYall
Do not forget that Delenn was originally going to transition from male to female in the chrysalis.
Bless all of the cast that has gone beyond the rim.
This could really be great if it is given the love and support it needs. Babylon 5 is one of my favorite Sci-Fi series (up there with Star Trek NG and DS9). Such a good storyline and lore surrounding it. Now just imagine modern special effects to add to that. CW's involvement does give me pause though. Given its connection to Warner Bros. why doesn't HBO just take over the project? They did a great job with Westworld. B5 could give them some competitive new content vs. Paramount.
ey Star Trek Voyager up there also, ehh!
Just recently started re-watching B5 again after a twenty-year hiatus. Really enjoying it and hope they do produce a re-boot just to see what they can do with it. Good luck!
There's a huge difference between a one season Battlestar Galactica being "re-imagined" into the masterpiece scifi drama it became, and Babylon 5, a five season masterpiece in it's own right.
Having seen the writing, production , & CGI available to the CW- I am not hopeful of this reboot.
JMS himself is doing the scripts so how can you be worried about the writing ????
I didn't think that much of the Battlestar Galactica reboot either.
@@alanhilder1883 GINO should have been a totally different IP altogether and not a so-called 'reimagining'👎 of the One and Only Battlestar Galactica! So hopefully B5 won't follow that particular path - here's hoping! 🤞🙏😇
@@alexhenderson1312 Does a reboot harm the original? No.
I hope Tracey Scoggins is involved. She got on the show because of her high regard for Neil Gaiman as a writer, and I think she didn't get enough time to develop her character. Who was along with Janeway one of the most credible female military leader figures ever in SciFi.
I think she did a good job of a developing her character in that one season and the subsequent made for TV movie. There were times when being a tough gal and a man's job so to speak conflicted with her being more feminine. I think her interactions with the telepaths or her best moments in that series.
The CW is for sale due to going fully woke. Supergirl/batgirl as examples. The network is burning through money. Putting diversity and SJW propaganda over story. Look at batgirl, they put a black person as the lead then hoped that would bring in the ratings just because she is black, while completely skipping good writing and storylines.
Recent reboots have not gone well from star wars under jar jar abrams and ryan johnson to sexually transmitted discovery and dr karen(who)…..
I was a B5 fanatic from the first episode I caught. My wife & I have watched the original series straight through together three times. You bet we're gonna be looking forward to new B5 content.
Please anybody but CW!
I've been a hugh B5 fan from day one. Back when i had to chase the series from network to network, channel to channel. Very frustrating, but I stayed the course. This announcement of a B5 reboot had me very sceptic. I will not get my hopes up like i did with the original series. But i am hopeful. Yes, Boxleitner would be a very welcome addition to the new series. Its very sad knowing most of the main characters of the original series are no longer with us. What a show B5 was. I just watched the whole series i've had in DVD form for many years. I never get tired of seeing this show. So i will watch with anticipation of a new series with the B5 stories. Lets hope it makes the air. A HUGH Fan, Ron Jarvis
The original series was fantastic and a reboot can only go one direction: DOWN! 😭
I really, really don't care about this reboot and continue watching the original which have been revamped and look great. 👏👏😍
I am super excited about this. I loved B5 and was in bits when it ended! Really looking forward to this !
I really would like to see some Expanse cast in the new B5. Imagine Cara Gee as Susan Ivanova for instance
She could definitly work as a new Susan Ivanova... she is bad ass character in Expanse.
Then again .. Claudia Christian is still great looking and young looking to atleast play like the Captain's role even ... (great looking is not nessesary tough, just wanted to state out that).
Hey, anything is possible with this series. Remember, the original managed the standard 5 season run in spite of it's "Perils Of Pauline" life. I just hope Strazynsky can pull off the same actor & character chemistry that made us all fall in love with & stick with the original show through all it's struggles to stay on the air.
It was a series with a very solid and amazing script, incredible effects, very real themes and characters with their own epic, dimension and depth, luxurious moments, unforgettable sinclair/valen, sheridan, delenn, londo and gkar, I think the new Actors have a very high bar to play them, I'm just afraid they'll do the stupid things of woke culture, deforming the characters to fit them into a decontextualized ideological mold, but this JMS in charge is important.
What if Straczynski uses a couple of his original plots that studio executives refused to allow? Would Delenn transitioning from male to female or Susan and Talia being in a lesbian relationship be too woke for you?
Katsulas as G'kar was one of most valiant, heroic characterizations I have ever scene. If it had been a movie, he would have deserved best supporting actor.
I need to see Gina Carano portraying Commander Susan Ivanova in this re-boot. She would be ideal for this role!
One of my all time favorite series. I hope it gets the re boot it should. When it was airing originally on TV I waited for next week’s show and the next season’s run knowing that it was going to be great.
Hmmmm… the CW. A failing network being sold because most of its shows (except Superman and Lois) are crap with terrible ratings. Why? Well, I won’t use the word woke, but….
With J Michael Straczynski at the helm, I am somewhat optimistic that this can be great; however, this is still in the early stages. JMS needs to be in complete control of the writing as the recent works to come out of Disney, Paramount, and Amazon, have been mostly lack luster to completely unacceptable. He needs to be in complete control without interference from the network; which I very much doubt will happen. The entertainment environment is totally different than it was in the early 2000s but if the series is developed, I will hold judgement until it comes out.
Still the best sci-fi series of all time, so it is going to be really hard to measure up to the original in terms of story and especially the casting. Frankly, I think they would be smart to bring in some new characters than try to recast characters like Londo and G'Kar, who were just flawless from start to finish, but you never know they could find some new people for the role that do the characters justice. Like everything these days I will have to wait and see how the show turns out, but the problem is everyone is so quick to judge, whine and criticize shows right out of the gate instead of letting them develop. The first season of B5 was a slow burn, but when you go back and re-watch it after the series was over, you realize just how good it was at setting up all of the stuff to come in the later seasons. No matter what I hear, I am still looking forward to checking this one out when/if it finally airs.
Close with Farscape
B5 is among the most relevant SciFi series ever produced. Among other gems I recall the cultural exchange episode that ends after the other cultures' relatively uniform spiritual beliefs were a focus of the story. But the Earth beliefs are simply represented by a line of many diverse clergy of all modern faiths ...like, yes, there's Jews In Space. And Zoroastrians. And Hindus. And ...everyone.
Babylon 5 is still my favorite Sci-Fi. Michael O'Hare made the series and his leaving the series damaged it heavily. O'Hare had this quiet confidence that created a unique character who was more Picard than Kirk. Boxleitner was horrible in my opinion. Sheridan was a loud, action-oriented person. Had O'Hare stayed with the show and we saw his character arch play out with marrying Deleen and traveling back in time to become Valen, then there just never would be a chance for any other show to come close. Even in his absence, the show was still in the upper echelon of Sci-Fi. A reboot will NEVER do it justice. JMS needs to take the story and move it to Babylon 7, a station set 100 years after the decommission of Babylon 5. Unless JMS can figure out how to reunite the original Season 1 cast and play the show out as it was intended, then a Babylon 5 reboot is just sacrilegious.
Absolutely spot on mate. After seeing strong and sensible characters such as (the original) Kirk and Spock act like brawling children in the Abrams universe I'd hate to see the modern take that (so called) modern writers would bring to B5 in these days of over the top political correctness and wokefulness just to ensure the series got aired. B5 was ahead of its time with strong male, female and ethnic characters who performed with energy and were crucial to the arc and not just there a token to satisfy. B7 yes, B5R no, not in these silly times.
@@Stephens8x6Workshop You are exactly right. B5 was a thinking person's show. There was some action where appropriate but it was always cerebral. As you point out, the female and ethnic characters were far ahead of their time. Talia and Susan having an almost romantic relationship were far ahead of any modern wokeness and it wasn't played for equality. It was a touching story of Susan who had grown not to trust anyone, finally letting someone in, and having that person betray her. The characters just happened to be female.
I recall being introduced to this show by a friend who at the time was working on aPhD in Astrophysics....he was right, the show was awesome.
Boxleitner made me come back to B5 after i had given up on it after a few episodes of season one. Michael o Hare was great, but his leaving did not damage the show.
@@Stephens8x6Workshop Babylon 5 touched on very sensitive issues considering the time, but unlike the woke ones, they did it intelligently, without damaging the character or ruining the story, for example delen and Ivanova were female characters with a powerful charge of feminism, see delen a pacifist and priestess appear in the white star to save babylon as the cavalry and send that speech "only a human captain has survived a battle with a nimbari fleet, he is behind me, you are in front, if you value your lives, go elsewhere"
I just hope they don't put the woke up
its ideological merry sue, its meaningless topics, forcing arguments to sneak in
progressive sermons, ruining the saga as they have done with everything they have touched.
Cautiously optimistic. B5 was a big chunk of my childhood.
One thing I wish they would do to B5 is re-do the CGI ship ship scenes, for the most part I liked the series.
HI!! Good morning, I hope you and all my fellow nerds are wicked awesome today? Thank you for sharing. I tend to ramble a little when it comes to reboots and how I may disagree with certain new content that maybe added to a particular show. But I won't. All that I will say is about this new B5 reboot is that I have strong reservations about this new series. Since I am a fan of the original classic, I certainly will keep a cautious open mind about this series once it debuts. But yet again, you cannot mess with perfection which was classic B5. Love the channel and all the content that is presented. Have a very safe and Nerdy day. Peace!! 😁🤓🤓✌🖖👽👽👽👽
I refuse to have hope, for hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. That said, I would be utterly surprised, not to mention greatly pleased, to see this one succeed and not turn into a giant trainwreck.
Nerd cookies you are growing in subs. I think you were in the 30s when I subbed. Your narration and voice are great and your style is very professional. Keep going, keep growing.
All in all, I would like to see what they come up with, and I would be happy to watch it and see if it turns out to be Worthy of the Spirit of the name, "Babylon 5".
Well... At least this gives me time to rewatch the old series.
I'm a little worried about having it under the CW. And the delay. And CW being sold.
But if JMS is still running it, it will be worth watching.
Babylon 5 is and has never been PC or Woke. B5 reflected society in the raw. It was a truly great series.
If the show was done by the original Creator it has a good chance of becoming a popular hit as long as that creator is not trying to insert modern-day politics and sensibilities which most people are tired of being preached to and will not watch. Great storytelling is the key.
I'm so glad I found your channel...
I myself would like to see B5 as a Reboot w/the Magic People leaving the night.
They have to nail the casting for the reboot. No matter how different the story is, if they have the same characters everyone is going to be compared to the original cast.
Just found the B5 reboot update. WOW! It sounds great, can't wait to see it. Hoping to see Gariboldi.
What a wonderful show B5 still is. I can't wait to see it in new form!
Thanks for the update!
the same Warner bros that just strip-mined the matrix.. thank Christ JMS is on board. Happy to hear its about Sheridan though. I always had a soft spot for him
was he after sinclair? to be honest i liked him, and his intro reading.
I am going to hold out hope to see this come to fruition.
Can't wait, was an endearing fan and do hope Michael gets his own way because last time he created a universe of difference to others creations of that time, you go n get ur own way Mikey n it'll be a gud n - I bet anybody 😁👍
I am not getting my hopes up. B5 is one of my all-time favorites. Recently I've seen too many reboots that didn't grab me like the original. Though given that this one is at least made by Stracynski again is a good sign. It would be great to watch B5 again.
Im super excited for it. Since its the original creator/writer I'm fairly confident in the story and writing. I just hope it isnt given a pilot only or just 1 season only. Im worried people won't give it the opportunity to reach its full potential like Crusades.
IF JMS reaches out to the fans then what miracles could the fan base achieve that could not be achieved by only working with The CW, props, set, characters, costumes extras. There is so much the fans can help out that couldn't be done back then.
I love B5, i am looking forward to this if it happens at all, but the CW? I think it would make a better position being on HBO/MAX.
as long as Great Maker is at the helm, I am sure it will be a quality production. I do see the original cast being involved but in different capacities. Perhaps tributes to the fallen as well.
The original B5 was dark gritty and lived up to the hype in the end. I feel, even though the script writing of the reboot maybe fine, the visual content will be newer and more flashy. Thus destroying the original gritty feel of the franchise environment.
This shows original has more relevance to today than any show ever has...
I think it will be worth watching. I agree with many of the comments that it will be difficult to match the calibre of acting seen in the original. I have concerns about the CW's involvement, but maybe the buyout will shift the creative direction of the company as a whole. I am so glad JMS is going to be on the project. I think that is the reason so many reboots do not live up to the original; the creative forces behind the original are often absent.
I Just want this Reboot done Well!
Can't be worse than what Star Trek brings to the Screen atm can IT!??
Having recently rewatched B5, one of the many things that made it great was little moments of humor in many episodes. Great SF has dark moments and humor.
I think the key will be to build characters instead of focusing on special effects. The draw to B5 for me was the way the characters changed and grew, building on one another. The focus was the story, not the effects that so many shows have today. If they can stay focused on character development and not so much on effects, I think it will do well.