It makes me so happy to hear “ I know which one is my baby” because I feel the exact same way about my 135! Wherever I get a chance to use it, it just brings light to my day. No 70-200 could ever replace it.
I recently shot with the RF 28-70 *and* the RF 50mm f/1.2 and you can definitely tell the difference. Those RF primes are just in a league of their own, and that's saying a lot against the RF 28-70, which is a beast in its own right. I've shot with the RF 85mm f/1.2 as well but that focal length is a little too close for most of my situations. The 50mm is more ideal for me, but yeah, those lenses are like cheat codes for a photographer. In a time where pro photos are becoming increasingly indistinguishable from iPhone photos, those RF primes really make the case for pro cameras.
50mm -vs- 85mm decided the subject to background proportions relative to subject. This one of the reasons why a 50mm lens is considered a "normal" lens for 35mm or full frame digital as it delivers subject to background proportions similar to human vision. Longer than normal focal lengths like the 85mm tends to bring the background "into" the subject by creating the perception of being larger than would be perceived with normal human vision. Longer the focal length, stronger this effect.
It was very easy to see the difference - but I actually liked the look of the backgrounds with the 28-70mm at 70mm - there was plenty of separation but with a little better sense of the background - I don't see that as a negative at all
Definitely personal preference! You could always increase your aperture on the 85mm if you want a less blurry background but still get the extra compression!
For the staged shots 85 is the choice. However the ceremony is key for many. You will get more shots with the 28-70. You won’t have to move your feet as much. Most clients couldn’t tell the difference. The look of the 28-70 will far exceed what most photographers are using (24-70) IMHO. I used to carry a lot of lenses. Now two bodies w/28-70 and 135f2
I definitely like the compression for the 85 and how well the prime blows out the background. But I honestly think I liked the background of the 70 better.
Curious what you think about the Canon RF 85mm F2 Macro is STM? How different is it as f/2 versus the 85mm f/1.2 lens at f/2? Obviously the second lens if way more expensive but still curious what you think about the cheaper 85.
Here's my take on it. As a wedding photographer, of course I like the 85 vs the 70. But I think, as the video pointed out towards the end, clients who receive the 28-70's 70mm portrait will be thrilled. I only shoot primes, even for ceremonies, but I'll be the first to say that if a photographer uses a 28-70, and the client isn't happy with the photos, it really has little to do with the gear itself.
On the video, were they shot on the 70mm? I took a 70mm shot on my 28-70 f2 and looks a lot better than on the 28mm. I'm thinking of getting the 85mm at well since it's on sale today. Thinking so hard about this.
I love seeing the comparison between the two. I think the background looks better with the 85 but I think your subject looks better with the 28-70. Both are great!
I sold my rf85 1.2, keeping the 28-70. I just happened upon this video and I want to tell you I like the backgrounds better with the 28-70 mainly because the color is richer and not as washed-out. I also understand it's a very subjective thing and all of the images were good. : )
Yes. In my mind, a bride pucks a venue for it's appeal and wants to see pictures in the setting she chose to a degree. I think a portrait where 1 person is the focus is better for 85mm. I think there is use for both.
Again, very informative for an amateur toying with bigger photographic dreams. While I shoot with a Nikon DSLR, it's reassuring to know that I can still get quality shots with my current gear while planning for what to purchase first if I do decide to go mirrorless. And, like so many of the comments below, most people (clients) will still be thrilled with the results. Thanks for continuing to put together such engaging and helpful material. It's obvious you love what you do!
Yes! after watching your videos, decided to take a leap of faith and Went from Nikon d810 (24-70, 70-200, 2.8 zoom lenses) to Canon r6 with rf's 35 1.8 macro and 85 1.2 and I could never go back again, I mean 85 it's just magical! I still I want the 28-70 for the versatility because it takes time getting used to primes after using zooms for so long , but it's totally worth it!
Not a great comparison though. I'm shooting with the Nikon 105mm f/1.4 and it's just as fantastic as the 85mm f/1.2 - they both make much nicer images than the 70-200.
9:27 Question: Did I hear you correctly that the 85 shots were ALSO at f/2.0, and not at f/1.4? Because the DoF looks way shallower on the 85 shots… I’d expect the background elements to appear bigger from the added compression the 85 gives, but I’m amazed that the bokeh is so much creamier at the same f/2.0 aperture. 😮
I love my 85mm EF lens it is beautiful and just tried it out with my new R6. I started watching your videos and your info is a game changer for me. I learned about all the settings and the drag and focus. Took shots of my cat in the window with the 85mm lens love love love.
Great comparison! At 70mm, the 28-70 still looks great but the 85mm just looks even better. I don’t know if most clients could tell, but as an artist, I’d also want the 85mm. And with the R5/R6, you can shoot at even lower apertures with more reliable AF accuracy. Coming from the 5D3, my EF lenses feel new and are tack sharp and I’m not worried about it as much anymore.
I found an EF II 85 1.2 up for about $1100 used (LIKE NEW) and I'm still heavily debating if I'll need that or not. University starts in a month, and I'm thinking so hard about it. With the return of people, you can shoot their images and give them something that stands out Currently all I got is a Sigma 18-35 + Canon 90D
At some point I had to sell all my photo equipment. After a year or so, passing in front of the shop, I saw a second-hand EF 85mm 1.2L... I just had to have it! It was what brought me back to photography. I even had to buy a body for it since I didn't have any anymore... :D
Great comparison. I was surprised that I could see the difference and I've not ever used an 85mm. Would you do a comparison between the 85mm and 135mm?
The way you described the 85 at the start- it’s like taking a special scene and deciding to give it the full shebang - the 85 just makes it even better!
So very helpful Katelyn, I’ve been debating between the 85mm 1.2 and the 28-70 mm 2.0. Ideally I would love to have both, but that’s a ton of cash, so I’ve ordered the 28-70mm. I think it’s going to be ideal for what I shoot most (events) BUT, my next lens is the 85mm for sure (my dream lens) thanks again for this video.
I have exact the same main lenses... RF 28-70 2.0L and the RF85mm 1.2L for 95% of a wedding day and I love them both. They 're extremely sharp monster lenses!
Compression @ 85mm also helps the photo over the 70mm shot. If the subject were the same size in the photo, might you get similar bokeh with the 85mm @ f1.2 and the 135mm @ f2.0 ? I just can't bring myself to buy the 85mm lens. Enjoyed your video, though.
Such a fun video! I LOVE my 85mm too 😍🔥 Katelyn could you please do a video on tips and posing ideas for family sessions? Your photos always capture such beautiful genuine looking emotions. I’d love to improve in this area!
I'm a little late on getting into the R system and RF glass, but this was super helpful as I've been stuck for DAYS on whether or not to get a versatile zoom that's GREAT or the AMAZING 85. Tried both in a store and my brain tells me to get the 28-70 for versatility but my heart tells me the 85 because even in test shots in a random store it was incredible. Canon may have some weird quirks about them but WOW do they make good glass.
The background of the 85mm is neural and non-distracting. The subject stands out so much better, your clients would be happy with both but would be amazed with the 85mm. Thank you for doing this comparison. I would love to see more, 135 vs another lens and I would love to see a comparison if one cannot afford the 105 macro what they could use and what the comparison would look like. Thank you so much for all you do for the photography community and helping me feel empowered!
Soooo interesting! I loved seeing the comparisons side by side. 😲 I’m curious though, what if the 70-200mm was shot at an 85mm focal length. 🤔 Great video!
Fantastic video! I am wanting an 85mm lens for portraits, and have the r6. The price for the rf 85 is considerably higher than the ef 85mm. I am not at pro level as yet, so should I spend out lots for the rf, or get the more affordable ef? Many thanks in advance, Pete
My favorite lens that I take out when time permits is the 105 mm Sigma 1.4. It's just like you say, the customer doesn't see the difference but you notice it. Bad that you are always driven here by even more awesome lenses the 85 1.2 RF but also makes mega cool pictures. Here would be a comparison between the two lenses Canon 85 1.2 and the Sigma 105 1.4 very interesting because by the focal length the bokeh is softer again. Mind you, at half the price.
I LOVE my Sigma 105 1.4. It's definitely a hog, but its images are magical. My dream combo would be the 28-70 and the Sigma 105. Just gotta save up the cash to make it happen.
This could not have been more helpful Katelyn, thank you!!! I currently have the EF 24-70, EF 100mm macro and EF 70-200, and can’t wait to upgrade to the R6 and R 85mm 1.2! Those smooth crisp backgrounds got me sold 😍 I’m actually having an identity crisis myself haha as I’ve always been a 70-200 girl, until now!
Ok so I just ordered the EOS R6 canon camera, so excited!!! But confused on the adapter - which one to get? Canon EF-EOS R Mount Adapter - Compatible with EOS RP, EOS R, EOS R6, and EOS R5 Cameras = $99.00 Canon Mount Adapter EF - EOS R, Compatible with EOS RP, EOS R, EOS R6, EOS R5 = $199.00 What is the difference please? Both are listed on one of your youtube videos so I am a little confused. I apologize for the confusion on my end and thank you for the clarification. Nice day! :-)
It really comes down to budget... we like the one with the control ring ($199). It allows you the set the ring to control different settings... I have mine set to adjust Kelvin. Hope that helps
I have a similar setup for Sony APSC (used to shoot w/ a Canon 5DmkII) but I have the Sigma 18-50mm 2.8 and the Sigma 56mm 1.4. Although there is less bokeh with APSC, I’m loving the portability. In full frame focal lengths, it’s 28-75, and 85mm
It's not just the bokeh that changes in these comparisons. The way the light on the face is captured is different, almost glows from within. It could be some exposure differences.. but the 85/1.2 images are magical. (not just yours, but all I've seen reviewed with this lens) I love shooting portraits but am a hobbyist/artist... and am looking at the 85mm/f2 as a cheaper alternative. It also does macro (or at least macro enough to do good ring detail). I think the perfect combo for me shooting a wedding and portraits is the 24-105/f4 and the 85/f2. Light and cost effective. If I had an assistant (i.e. making good money at photography), and I was shooting regularly, then the 85/1.2 would definitely be in my bag. I can see how it's your favorite. I also like my 15-30 for creative portraits and other various scenes... small/light too. Being on your own shooting when you can is a different type of photography than paid gigs, though. Also... I have the 100/2.8 and I think it's much more suited to macro vs. portraits) Ever compare your 100 to your 85 set to 2.8? The 100 will look very 'technical' whereas the 85 will have 'the love'. :) Just thought I'd offer a perspective for new photographers... from an old one that's done it, lived it, gotten out of it, and returned at a lighter level. :)
I would love to see you use the ef 85 1.8 and see if u can tell the difference. Between the 28-70 at f2. I was surprised you had it at f2 on both. I just bought a rf85 1.2 and will be getting the 28-70f2 next month.
I subscribed, I'm no longer in the 65%! Also my favorite focal length is 85mm and I recently bought and used the RF 85mm 1.2 for a wedding and even I who shot the photos was surprised when I got to editing them.
Hmm recently I did a family shoot and started with the 28-70, but after I got a few wider shots switched to the 85 and it stayed on for the rest of the shoot! Definitely fun when you have the time and the space to use it! The RF 1.2s are also amazing at focusing regardless of distance - I feel like my EF would sometimes miss at distance so mainly used it for portrait style shots
Hi Katelyn, I hope you see this message 😅 I’m since today are the owner of a 28-70f2 (it was so long out of stock here) I’m so curious if you have a UV filter on it for protection??
You had me worried there for a minute. I felt nervous for you. I suspected the fixed lens would win, but it won so easily, much to my relief and clearly yours too judging by your smile. Canon's own brand L-series fixed lenses are out of my budget. However, you have inspired me to try some chinese'y fast fixed lenses for the bokeh seperation. 🙂
I don’t have the RF 28-70 f/2, but I do have the RF 85 1.2, and hands down that lens is one that I will never let go of. I primarily shoot portraits and it is by far my go to lens. I use the RF 70-200 for headshots, and at 200mm that lens is very formidable as well.
Please answer which depth of field is better for portrait 1.2 or 1.4 or 1.8 (sweet spot)? So that face (nose eyes and ears) are sharp and still maintaining creamy background. Thank you in advance ❤
I really love your content. You make things very simple in a way that I can understand. I'm just your normal hobbyist photographer, but with your help I did purchase a R5 with the 85 1.2 and I am really enjoying this setup. Your channel is truly an inspiration. You Rock
I have only recently found you and I must say, I LOVE YOU! You speak in a language I actually understand. You have also convinced me to go for the EOS. Your images look GREAT!
Thank you! Thank you! This was a mind-blowing distinction. The part which was really interesting is that you use f/2.0 for the 85mm also. Since both are among Canon's "best foot forward" lenses, this comparison is somewhat a prime vs zoom evaluation, because the difference seems more than 70 vs 85, especially the full-body images. Which raises the question of doing the same comparison with the 50mm and 35mm, and perhaps including images of those wide open as well? I need more prime lens validation! :-D
I’m shooting another wedding tomorrow. I’m a Nikon d810 dual shooter and I’ll bring a 24-70, 35, 50, 85. 105 macro, 70-200. The 35 and 70-200 will see very little use. I might shoot the ceremony with the 24-70 and 85. Formals with 35 and 85. Reception with 35, 50, 85. The 105 macro is for rings, flowers and all close up details. Maybe I just ain’t right but ……….🤷🏻♂️
I have majority of the RF L line except the 28-70. I decided to pick up the the 24-105 as a temporary substitute until I'm ready to pick up the 28-70. I find the kit lens to be be great in a pinch at weddings with smaller venues where my 85 is harder to work with. In the past I would typically default with the 50m which I'm not crazy about but it gets the job done as well. I think my two favorites still are my 85 and 70-200
I’m a Nikon gal! 🙋🏻♀️My favorite lens is the 85mm 1.4! I absolutely love it, and I use it any chance I have! Loved seeing your comparison photos! Thank you! And I love your sweater again in this video! 🤗
Great comparison! It was easy to tell the 85mm. I do prefer how the 28-70 photos were edited, they seem to have more contrast and pop! I do prefer the 85mm with that shallow DOF and separation. I don't own the 85mm, it's one lens I would love to have at some point. My favorite lens is the 135mm. I would love to see a comparison between the 85 at 1.2 vs the 135 at 2.0.
Hmm, I don't know if it's in the lens or the edit but the 28-70 is easily nicer in every image. The greater blur in the background doesn't make up for the lack of contrast and what looks to me like not quite as nice highlight roll off. Personally I also find extremem bokeh can start to look like you're shooting someone on a greeen screen which I'm not a fan of. That's just tme though. The third comparison may be an exception because the effect you're going for benefits from the greater compression but I still find the colour and contrast nicer on the 28-70. Really interesting. Nice comparison.
Sorry, not agreed. 28/70 bokeh looks a bit busy here, not good enough. The excessive background obliteration you mention tends to come in at focal lenghts from 100 up, 85 is still ok (though it depends by your distance from the subject also). Note: I am not an 85mm lover. As for the author of the video: these pics are not enough to judge.
I appreciate the comparison, but if you don't mind me asking, why are all your shots slightly overexposed in the highlights? I also noticed the same in another video comparison you made.
It's great to hear the perspective from a wedding photographer. I'm on the opposite spectrum as a architectural/real estate photographer so my line up is different for my R6 and EOS R. My must have and use every single day lens is the 15-35 RF, then the 24-70 RF. Your video has brought up questions though on my next RF. I was leaning towards the 70-200 F4 RF for tighter shots ( I don't need super shallow depth), but now I see the 85mm I wonder if I could put that to use. BTW...subscribed to your channel a while back. Keep up the good work!
Excellent review as always !!, Even if ur not making money and like photography as hobby. Investing in good glass is always better than buying lenses with cheap optics.. remember lenses will hold value and serve you for looooong time.. get a body like R6 or m2.. and invest in pro glass
I was just having the same thoughts today. I have the 85 mm 1.2 and have a real hunger for the 28-70, so I got to thinking…85 goes for the 28-70 and my 100mm macro and 70-200 step in. But, like you, I have a real soft spot for the 85mm 1.2. I used to shoot Nikon and loved the 85 1.4 and missed that lens so much. So yes, agree with you, the 85 is a keeper! Great work, cheers!
Hello Katelyn. I love your content and have benefited a great deal from watching it. I do have a question. I just bought my first Canon r6 mirriorless camera. I own a 28-70mm ef 4.0. L series and a 85mm ef (non "L" series). Would you recommend I upgrade to the 28-70mm rf or 85 rf? Your imput is of great value to me. Thanks!
Awesome video as you helped aid my understanding of both lenses. Your delivery of the content is wonderful and very engaging for the viewer. New subscriber!!!
I am soon getting my first mirrorless (Nikon Z9). I am discovering that the new lenses built for mirrorless communicate with the camera in ways the old lenses do not. I know the sensor image stabilization works much better with the new lenses (5 stops versus 2.5 stops). I suspect the autofocus is also better. On the other hand some of the old lenses plus the adaptor will work better on the mirrorless than they did on my DSLR.
Yes all my old EF lenses are much better on the mirrorless system with an adapter! The RF ones are slightly faster/sharper but I was super impressed with the performance of the adapter too!
I want the 85mm and I have the 28-70. I saw it went on sale today for $2599 and I feel like its a sign. I've just invested so much on myself that I'm excited but nervous. Nervous because I feel I can do more with the money and excited because I'm seeing my quality of work improving. Sometimes a mentor would be nice to have
I often use my 28-70mm f/2.8 as a backup for my following prime lenses: 28mm f/2 35mm f/1.4 50mm f/1.4 85mm f/1.4 I could never sell my primes in order to use only the zoom.
Having owned and used the Canon FD (manual focus) 85mm f1.2 since the late 1980's, there is no reasonable replacement for what this lens does at f1.2. That same manual focus FD lens is easily adapted to being used on the Canon R with a very low cost adapter. While 70mm at f2.0 is very useful and all, the 85mm at f1.2 offers a unique and rather special look to the images it can produce. Key to this is lighting, lens/camera to subject distance combined with distance between subject to background/foreground. The Canon 85mm f1.2 IS one of the very best lenses of this type ever made. It is part of the legendary Canon K35 series introduced to 35mm cinema, used by Stanley Kubrick and a long list of others (including the film Alien) that created remarkable cinema using them.
Well I don't know about 50k but I subscribe to help You get to 100K. I have the 15-35mm, 24-105mm f/2.8's and have the 1.8 primes and wondering if I really need to get the 85mm f/1.2 and the 28-70mm f/2. Cheers!
Hi! Can I ask you how often do you switch from the 28-70 to your 85 during a wedding day? And also, when do you switch to the 85? Which parts of a wedding day :) I just bought the 28-70 and hopefully I will like it, never shot with a zoom lens bedore
Great content, Katelyn! I love the idea of not wearing two camera bodies on a wedding day since the 28-70 can replace some of the primes I alternate at 2.0. I totally agree with the 85 too. She'll be a round for a while.
Dang! Thank you for this video!!! I was going to buy one or the other. I really want the 85 but I feel the 28-70 would have more use. Now seeing that I can’t not buy the 85mm
Ah Katelyn, what a darling you are. I love your videos. You explain so wonderfully every detail. Thank you. I am a beginner in photography and am about to purchase my first mirrorless camera. I wanted the R5 but after I watched your R6 review i decided to get the r6 with rf 28-70mm f2L. But after this video I am not sure which lens to get first? I would very much appreciate your advise. What would you recommend? Thanks you x x
Of course there is a huge difference in the separation of subject and background in your samples. You mentioned all images were shot as 2.0. And did you walk further away from your subject shooting the 85 to match the effective mm of the 70mm? Comparing both images side-by-side(6:55), look at the trees on either side of your subject. They appear further apart, so it looks like you didn't walk further back to equal the focal lengths. It is pure geometry. If you take 2 lenses, a $100. lens and a $1,000. lens, true 70mm and 2.0, would equal the same effect. Period! But the sample images from the 85 are too bright. Keep in mind, as a wedding photographer, you are shooting images for your customers. How many of them could tell a difference?
If you want the perspective provided by the 85mm at the increased distance you shoot the 85mm, my recommendation would be to select the ideal distance first, and then adjust the zoom to accommodate the distance. If the distance is too great for the lens to fill the frame at 70mm zoom (eg. the distance you use for the 85mm), simply shoot loosely framed and crop into the the imsage to create the desired framing in post. If your final image is at least 12MP, you will not run into any issues even if a client wants a 4' x 6' wall print. For portraits, high resolution is not necessary unless you are shooting images for dermatological study. In order to accentiuate the bokeh and enhance the subject separation (and obtain the bokeh characteristic of faster and longer focal length lenses), in post simply mask the subject and add blur and a touch of grain to the backround and you will have more control over your background than you ever had using the 85/1.2. So feel free to dump the 85/1.2 One of the biggest issues with prime lenses is that photographers often feel compelled to select a subject-lens distance that will fill the frame with a given lens. Instead, in order to flatter the subject, the subject-lens distance should be choosen to be ideal for your subject's proportions and face shape, and then the appropriate focal length (magnification factor) is chosen. With a 28-70 f/2 you will find that in mopst casses you will be able to accommodate the ideal subject-lens distance. And again, in cases when this zoom runs out of focal length, crop in post.
Ok, ok, I am not a professional photographer. I'm a professional Grandpa who photographs his family. So in no way am I comparing my work to yours and probably most if not all your subscribers. However, I have a point of view to share. I love dreamy creamy bokeh. The EF 135 2.0 is the dreamiest, ooh, ooh. But with that big heavy rascal you have to shoot from the next county to frame some shots. I exaggerate, a little. I have always preferred primes in order to get the desired separation effect. Then I stretched the budget when I found the RF 24-70mm 2.8 at $500 off. It is so sharp! It focuses so fast! It's heavy. It only goes to 70mm...Unless you shoot at 1.6 crop. I know in your professional circles that's probably verboten but not for me...at all. And even on my Canon RP the circles of confusion are manageable. My point is, when comparing an 85mm to a 70mm the change in difference to the subject should be considered in light of compression and DOF. My conjecture is that if you shot at 70mm at the distance required for the 85mm to similarly frame the subject you would find similarly pleasing bokeh when you afterwards enlarge the image to mimic the 85mm framing. I bet that the quality would be acceptable on a 45MP sensor. I predict bokeh based on hyperfocal distance. I use an app to calculate it. For instance on an RP, an 85mm at 1.4 delivers a hyperfocal distance of 588 feet, the distance beyond which everything is in focus. A 70mm at 1.6 crop is an angle of view similar to a 112mm lens. A 112mm lens on the RP's 26MP delivers a hyperfocal distance of 510 feet, in the ballpark of the 85's 588 feet. When enlarged, the very small circles of confusion remain in tolerable size to appear as focused but the bokeh balls from the larger circles of confusion render exponentially, bigger, softer, dreamier backgrounds...hobbyists are the only people who have time to prove me wrong, LOL!
Thank you! I needed this. I need to spend some money at the end of the year so I've rented the 24-70 twice but just did not love it either time. Sticking with my prime babies EF 35 and EF 85mm.
Images from the 28-70 2.0 are amazing! But i have my old 24-70 2.8, and I feel like I can't do without the 24mm end of my lens. And there's the price issue to consider, too. But I have been thinking about purchasing the 28-70R lens, because it is an R lens (no more adapter) and because of the images it renders.
I currently have a 24-70 RF 2.8, I am debating on trading it in for this lens. I am an event photographer, and occassionally shoot large groups as well. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for that KJ! I am a strict prime shooter (like you used to be lol) but (1) Sony doesn't offer a 2.0 zoom and (2) I'm sorry but a 24-70 f2.8 (or f2 for that matter) can render like my 24mm f1.4, 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.4 or 135 f1.8 Sony G Master primes. Also the Sony gives the ability to switch between full frame and aps-c modes by repurposing the focus hold button on the lens.
That’s cool! I almost always shoot my primes between 1.8 and 2.5 so the 28-70 works great for me! But if you love shooting wide open, you can’t beat primes!
It wasn't until over halfway through the video (9:26) that I realized both lenses were shot at f/2.0 for the test shots. At first I thought the 85mm images were shot at f/1.2. I just picked up the RF 85mm f/1.2L and love it. Still love the RF50mm f/1.2L, even though I have the RF 28-70mm f/2L. I use extension tubes if I need macro.
I would get RF 24-70 with IS. and spend the extra with Rf 85 f1.8 or save the money to get 70-200 even f2.8 or f4. To me 28-70 focal lenght is a kind of weird.
if budget is restricted for now would it work a RF 50 1.8 + RF 85 2.0 macro IS + RF 35 1.8 IS? Due to not that high glass quality the 1.8s would be used at 2.0. The 85 would be used at 2.0 since it's a macro, macro lenses tend to be just a tad more sharp, but also a bit slower to focus. Used to use the 24-70 2.8 and the 70-200 2.8 but they were too heavy to carry for a 18 hours wedding day
It makes me so happy to hear “ I know which one is my baby” because I feel the exact same way about my 135! Wherever I get a chance to use it, it just brings light to my day. No 70-200 could ever replace it.
I recently shot with the RF 28-70 *and* the RF 50mm f/1.2 and you can definitely tell the difference. Those RF primes are just in a league of their own, and that's saying a lot against the RF 28-70, which is a beast in its own right. I've shot with the RF 85mm f/1.2 as well but that focal length is a little too close for most of my situations. The 50mm is more ideal for me, but yeah, those lenses are like cheat codes for a photographer. In a time where pro photos are becoming increasingly indistinguishable from iPhone photos, those RF primes really make the case for pro cameras.
Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing!
50mm -vs- 85mm decided the subject to background proportions relative to subject. This one of the reasons why a 50mm lens is considered a "normal" lens for 35mm or full frame digital as it delivers subject to background proportions similar to human vision. Longer than normal focal lengths like the 85mm tends to bring the background "into" the subject by creating the perception of being larger than would be perceived with normal human vision. Longer the focal length, stronger this effect.
It's worth noting that the depth of field at 70mm f/2 is actually shallower ("more bokeh", I guess) than the 50mm f/1.2 for the same subject distance.
It was very easy to see the difference - but I actually liked the look of the backgrounds with the 28-70mm at 70mm - there was plenty of separation but with a little better sense of the background - I don't see that as a negative at all
Definitely personal preference! You could always increase your aperture on the 85mm if you want a less blurry background but still get the extra compression!
@@KatelynJames very true - thank you for responding
For the staged shots 85 is the choice. However the ceremony is key for many. You will get more shots with the 28-70. You won’t have to move your feet as much. Most clients couldn’t tell the difference. The look of the 28-70 will far exceed what most photographers are using (24-70) IMHO. I used to carry a lot of lenses. Now two bodies w/28-70 and 135f2
Washed out photos. Useless comparison.
@@milanhugh Washed out angry commenter who owns neither of these lenses and is salty & trolls online for fun in his free time :) lol
I definitely like the compression for the 85 and how well the prime blows out the background. But I honestly think I liked the background of the 70 better.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for watching!
@@KatelynJames thank you for the excellent comparison video
Curious what you think about the Canon RF 85mm F2 Macro is STM? How different is it as f/2 versus the 85mm f/1.2 lens at f/2? Obviously the second lens if way more expensive but still curious what you think about the cheaper 85.
Here's my take on it. As a wedding photographer, of course I like the 85 vs the 70. But I think, as the video pointed out towards the end, clients who receive the 28-70's 70mm portrait will be thrilled.
I only shoot primes, even for ceremonies, but I'll be the first to say that if a photographer uses a 28-70, and the client isn't happy with the photos, it really has little to do with the gear itself.
Great points! The 70mm shot still looks great, especially considering the versatility of the lens!
On the video, were they shot on the 70mm? I took a 70mm shot on my 28-70 f2 and looks a lot better than on the 28mm. I'm thinking of getting the 85mm at well since it's on sale today. Thinking so hard about this.
I love seeing the comparison between the two. I think the background looks better with the 85 but I think your subject looks better with the 28-70. Both are great!
Thanks for watching!
I sold my rf85 1.2, keeping the 28-70. I just happened upon this video and I want to tell you I like the backgrounds better with the 28-70 mainly because the color is richer and not as washed-out. I also understand it's a very subjective thing and all of the images were good. : )
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Yes. In my mind, a bride pucks a venue for it's appeal and wants to see pictures in the setting she chose to a degree. I think a portrait where 1 person is the focus is better for 85mm. I think there is use for both.
Again, very informative for an amateur toying with bigger photographic dreams. While I shoot with a Nikon DSLR, it's reassuring to know that I can still get quality shots with my current gear while planning for what to purchase first if I do decide to go mirrorless. And, like so many of the comments below, most people (clients) will still be thrilled with the results. Thanks for continuing to put together such engaging and helpful material. It's obvious you love what you do!
Thanks so much Aaron!!
Yes! after watching your videos, decided to take a leap of faith and Went from Nikon d810 (24-70, 70-200, 2.8 zoom lenses) to Canon r6 with rf's 35 1.8 macro and 85 1.2 and I could never go back again, I mean 85 it's just magical! I still I want the 28-70 for the versatility because it takes time getting used to primes after using zooms for so long , but it's totally worth it!
Glad to hear your transition from Nikon has gone well! Thanks for watching!!
Not a great comparison though. I'm shooting with the Nikon 105mm f/1.4 and it's just as fantastic as the 85mm f/1.2 - they both make much nicer images than the 70-200.
9:27 Question: Did I hear you correctly that the 85 shots were ALSO at f/2.0, and not at f/1.4?
Because the DoF looks way shallower on the 85 shots…
I’d expect the background elements to appear bigger from the added compression the 85 gives, but I’m amazed that the bokeh is so much creamier at the same f/2.0 aperture. 😮
I love my 85mm EF lens it is beautiful and just tried it out with my new R6. I started watching your videos and your info is a game changer for me. I learned about all the settings and the drag and focus. Took shots of my cat in the window with the 85mm lens love love love.
Love it!
I've been thinking of buying the EF model.
Great comparison! At 70mm, the 28-70 still looks great but the 85mm just looks even better. I don’t know if most clients could tell, but as an artist, I’d also want the 85mm. And with the R5/R6, you can shoot at even lower apertures with more reliable AF accuracy. Coming from the 5D3, my EF lenses feel new and are tack sharp and I’m not worried about it as much anymore.
Yes!! It’s crazy how much better the AF is on the mirrorless cameras!
I always use the Canon EF 85/1.2 at 1.2. I use one-shot, never mis focuse.
Mike Smith sometimes I take a 200/2.0. I like to have a schematics of the venue I'm shooting at. I don't want to under lens a shoot.
I found an EF II 85 1.2 up for about $1100 used (LIKE NEW) and I'm still heavily debating if I'll need that or not. University starts in a month, and I'm thinking so hard about it. With the return of people, you can shoot their images and give them something that stands out
Currently all I got is a Sigma 18-35 + Canon 90D
@@bahaatamer1245 i would much prefer the sigma 85 before the Canon glas. But that's me
At some point I had to sell all my photo equipment. After a year or so, passing in front of the shop, I saw a second-hand EF 85mm 1.2L... I just had to have it! It was what brought me back to photography. I even had to buy a body for it since I didn't have any anymore... :D
Love all your classes, love it all … plz keep it coming , never quit . I watch your classes EVERY DAY !! So upbeat !!!!!
Thank you so much!
Great comparison. I was surprised that I could see the difference and I've not ever used an 85mm. Would you do a comparison between the 85mm and 135mm?
The way you described the 85 at the start- it’s like taking a special scene and deciding to give it the full shebang - the 85 just makes it even better!
Haha, yes!
So very helpful Katelyn, I’ve been debating between the 85mm 1.2 and the 28-70 mm 2.0. Ideally I would love to have both, but that’s a ton of cash, so I’ve ordered the 28-70mm. I think it’s going to be ideal for what I shoot most (events) BUT, my next lens is the 85mm for sure (my dream lens) thanks again for this video.
That is a great way to go!
Ditto.
I have watched this video any times and You have convinced me what I need. Thank You! Cheers!
I have exact the same main lenses... RF 28-70 2.0L and the RF85mm 1.2L for 95% of a wedding day and I love them both. They 're extremely sharp monster lenses!
The differences shocked me! I could not believe how different they were. Also, I love when your education is also a comedy skit :)
Thanks so much Sadie!!
I would love to see the 85 vs the 70-200 ! Totally agree the 28-70 would be a great first purchase but wondering for my second !
Coming soon!
Compression @ 85mm also helps the photo over the 70mm shot. If the subject were the same size in the photo, might you get similar bokeh with the 85mm @ f1.2 and the 135mm @ f2.0 ? I just can't bring myself to buy the 85mm lens. Enjoyed your video, though.
Maybe! The 135 is a little too much compression for my style personally. But it is definitely an amazing lens!
Probably one of most underrated RUclips photographers out there. Now I want that 28-70 😂
That is very kind!! Thanks for watching!
Such a fun video! I LOVE my 85mm too 😍🔥 Katelyn could you please do a video on tips and posing ideas for family sessions? Your photos always capture such beautiful genuine looking emotions. I’d love to improve in this area!
That is not my speciality, but we have some ideas about this for the future!
I'm a little late on getting into the R system and RF glass, but this was super helpful as I've been stuck for DAYS on whether or not to get a versatile zoom that's GREAT or the AMAZING 85. Tried both in a store and my brain tells me to get the 28-70 for versatility but my heart tells me the 85 because even in test shots in a random store it was incredible. Canon may have some weird quirks about them but WOW do they make good glass.
The background of the 85mm is neural and non-distracting. The subject stands out so much better, your clients would be happy with both but would be amazed with the 85mm. Thank you for doing this comparison. I would love to see more, 135 vs another lens and I would love to see a comparison if one cannot afford the 105 macro what they could use and what the comparison would look like. Thank you so much for all you do for the photography community and helping me feel empowered!
Thanks for sharing!
Soooo interesting! I loved seeing the comparisons side by side. 😲 I’m curious though, what if the 70-200mm was shot at an 85mm focal length. 🤔 Great video!
That would be interesting to look at!
Yes, I totally agree 🤩
That's more than two stop slower on the zoom. You'll definitely be able to tell the difference.
Fantastic video! I am wanting an 85mm lens for portraits, and have the r6. The price for the rf 85 is considerably higher than the ef 85mm. I am not at pro level as yet, so should I spend out lots for the rf, or get the more affordable ef? Many thanks in advance, Pete
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My favorite lens that I take out when time permits is the 105 mm Sigma 1.4. It's just like you say, the customer doesn't see the difference but you notice it. Bad that you are always driven here by even more awesome lenses the 85 1.2 RF but also makes mega cool pictures. Here would be a comparison between the two lenses Canon 85 1.2 and the Sigma 105 1.4 very interesting because by the focal length the bokeh is softer again. Mind you, at half the price.
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I LOVE my Sigma 105 1.4. It's definitely a hog, but its images are magical. My dream combo would be the 28-70 and the Sigma 105. Just gotta save up the cash to make it happen.
This could not have been more helpful Katelyn, thank you!!! I currently have the EF 24-70, EF 100mm macro and EF 70-200, and can’t wait to upgrade to the R6 and R 85mm 1.2! Those smooth crisp backgrounds got me sold 😍 I’m actually having an identity crisis myself haha as I’ve always been a 70-200 girl, until now!
Haha all this technology giving everyone an identity crisis!
I feel like the 70-200 can get even better results and separation if you shoot at 200mm wide open.
Ok so I just ordered the EOS R6 canon camera, so excited!!! But confused on the adapter - which one to get?
Canon EF-EOS R Mount Adapter - Compatible with EOS RP, EOS R, EOS R6, and EOS R5 Cameras = $99.00
Canon Mount Adapter EF - EOS R, Compatible with EOS RP, EOS R, EOS R6, EOS R5 = $199.00
What is the difference please? Both are listed on one of your youtube videos so I am a little confused. I apologize for the confusion on my end and thank you for the clarification.
Nice day! :-)
It really comes down to budget... we like the one with the control ring ($199). It allows you the set the ring to control different settings... I have mine set to adjust Kelvin. Hope that helps
The 85mm 1.2 is my GO TO lens for portrait work! Nothing beats that lens as of now.
NOTHING!!
In this last month you've been hands down my favorite RUclips channel , keep up the good work 🔥
Well thank you! That’s so nice!
I have a similar setup for Sony APSC (used to shoot w/ a Canon 5DmkII) but I have the Sigma 18-50mm 2.8 and the Sigma 56mm 1.4. Although there is less bokeh with APSC, I’m loving the portability. In full frame focal lengths, it’s 28-75, and 85mm
Thanks for watching Jon!
It's not just the bokeh that changes in these comparisons. The way the light on the face is captured is different, almost glows from within. It could be some exposure differences.. but the 85/1.2 images are magical. (not just yours, but all I've seen reviewed with this lens) I love shooting portraits but am a hobbyist/artist... and am looking at the 85mm/f2 as a cheaper alternative. It also does macro (or at least macro enough to do good ring detail). I think the perfect combo for me shooting a wedding and portraits is the 24-105/f4 and the 85/f2. Light and cost effective. If I had an assistant (i.e. making good money at photography), and I was shooting regularly, then the 85/1.2 would definitely be in my bag. I can see how it's your favorite. I also like my 15-30 for creative portraits and other various scenes... small/light too. Being on your own shooting when you can is a different type of photography than paid gigs, though.
Also... I have the 100/2.8 and I think it's much more suited to macro vs. portraits) Ever compare your 100 to your 85 set to 2.8? The 100 will look very 'technical' whereas the 85 will have 'the love'. :)
Just thought I'd offer a perspective for new photographers... from an old one that's done it, lived it, gotten out of it, and returned at a lighter level. :)
Amazing video, quick question, what filters did you have on the lenses at 6:05? And what do they do for your shoots?
They are just clear filters for protection. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1668977-REG/b_w_66_1101525_67mm_mrc_nano_master_clear.html
I would love to see you use the ef 85 1.8 and see if u can tell the difference. Between the 28-70 at f2. I was surprised you had it at f2 on both. I just bought a rf85 1.2 and will be getting the 28-70f2 next month.
Subscribed. Thank you so much for conducting this test. I am in the midst of this very lens buying decision and your results reaffirmed my choice.
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I subscribed, I'm no longer in the 65%! Also my favorite focal length is 85mm and I recently bought and used the RF 85mm 1.2 for a wedding and even I who shot the photos was surprised when I got to editing them.
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Hmm recently I did a family shoot and started with the 28-70, but after I got a few wider shots switched to the 85 and it stayed on for the rest of the shoot! Definitely fun when you have the time and the space to use it! The RF 1.2s are also amazing at focusing regardless of distance - I feel like my EF would sometimes miss at distance so mainly used it for portrait style shots
Love this!!
Hi Katelyn,
I hope you see this message 😅
I’m since today are the owner of a 28-70f2 (it was so long out of stock here)
I’m so curious if you have a UV filter on it for protection??
We just have a clear filter on for protection!
You had me worried there for a minute. I felt nervous for you. I suspected the fixed lens would win, but it won so easily, much to my relief and clearly yours too judging by your smile.
Canon's own brand L-series fixed lenses are out of my budget. However, you have inspired me to try some chinese'y fast fixed lenses for the bokeh seperation. 🙂
hi, you may want to compare the RF 85 F 1.2 vs RF 85 F 1.2 DS. I think it will be great to hear your thoughts between these two lenses 😀
We have had a few others request this!
I don’t have the RF 28-70 f/2, but I do have the RF 85 1.2, and hands down that lens is one that I will never let go of. I primarily shoot portraits and it is by far my go to lens. I use the RF 70-200 for headshots, and at 200mm that lens is very formidable as well.
the 85 is my true love!! haha
Please answer which depth of field is better for portrait 1.2 or 1.4 or 1.8 (sweet spot)? So that face (nose eyes and ears) are sharp and still maintaining creamy background.
Thank you in advance ❤
I really love your content. You make things very simple in a way that I can understand. I'm just your normal hobbyist photographer, but with your help I did purchase a R5 with the 85 1.2 and I am really enjoying this setup. Your channel is truly an inspiration. You Rock
Thanks Earl, that’s our goal! Glad the videos have been helpful!
Thank you for this review. Lots to consider. Side note, my wife loves your sweater and insisted I ask where it’s from.
It is from Walmart!! I love it!
You are great - informative, engaging and just flat cool😂😂. Still deciding between the 24-70 and the 28-70
We think the 28-70 is totally worth it!!
Awesome video! Loved seeing the comparison!
Glad you enjoyed!
You are such a kind and positive person. Subscribed!
Thanks for watching!
If you had a 24-70 2.8 how much of an upgrade would the 28-70 2.0 be? Does that .8 f stop make that much of a difference? Is it sharper?
We think it is a huge difference!
Good to know! Thank you!!!!!
Hello, this comparison is great! Thank you.
Do you think the 85mm f/1.2 lens would be working well for landscapes? What about closeups? Thanks.
I have not used it for landscapes... but love it for close up portraits!
I have only recently found you and I must say, I LOVE YOU! You speak in a language I actually understand. You have also convinced me to go for the EOS. Your images look GREAT!
Haha aww well thank you!!!
Thank you! Thank you!
This was a mind-blowing distinction. The part which was really interesting is that you use f/2.0 for the 85mm also. Since both are among Canon's "best foot forward" lenses, this comparison is somewhat a prime vs zoom evaluation, because the difference seems more than 70 vs 85, especially the full-body images. Which raises the question of doing the same comparison with the 50mm and 35mm, and perhaps including images of those wide open as well? I need more prime lens validation! :-D
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, this helped me decide which lens I wanted to purchase. Wish you’d had an affiliate link up.
I’m shooting another wedding tomorrow. I’m a Nikon d810 dual shooter and I’ll bring a 24-70, 35, 50, 85. 105 macro, 70-200. The 35 and 70-200 will see very little use. I might shoot the ceremony with the 24-70 and 85. Formals with 35 and 85. Reception with 35, 50, 85. The 105 macro is for rings, flowers and all close up details. Maybe I just ain’t right but ……….🤷🏻♂️
Makes sense! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this! I’ve been debating an 85mm prime for my Nikon Z and now I’m prioritizing this as my next lens! Love your videos! Keep it up! :)
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
That 85mm f1.2 is stunning. A specialist lens with unique magic. The 28-70 is the excellent allround workhorse.
Totally agree!!
Great , what you recomand , i am thinking to buy 15-35 2.8 , 50 1.2 , or 135 1.8 , or 28-70 and 135 ? :D , Thank you !
I have majority of the RF L line except the 28-70. I decided to pick up the the 24-105 as a temporary substitute until I'm ready to pick up the 28-70. I find the kit lens to be be great in a pinch at weddings with smaller venues where my 85 is harder to work with. In the past I would typically default with the 50m which I'm not crazy about but it gets the job done as well. I think my two favorites still are my 85 and 70-200
Great review :-) Actually, why not using the 100mm for tight portraits? :-) So the setup is 28-70mm & 100mm.
I’m a Nikon gal! 🙋🏻♀️My favorite lens is the 85mm 1.4! I absolutely love it, and I use it any chance I have! Loved seeing your comparison photos! Thank you! And I love your sweater again in this video! 🤗
Thanks for sharing!! and Thanks for watching!
Great comparison! It was easy to tell the 85mm. I do prefer how the 28-70 photos were edited, they seem to have more contrast and pop! I do prefer the 85mm with that shallow DOF and separation. I don't own the 85mm, it's one lens I would love to have at some point. My favorite lens is the 135mm. I would love to see a comparison between the 85 at 1.2 vs the 135 at 2.0.
The edits were pretty quick and rough so don’t take that into consideration when judging the lenses!
Hmm, I don't know if it's in the lens or the edit but the 28-70 is easily nicer in every image. The greater blur in the background doesn't make up for the lack of contrast and what looks to me like not quite as nice highlight roll off. Personally I also find extremem bokeh can start to look like you're shooting someone on a greeen screen which I'm not a fan of. That's just tme though. The third comparison may be an exception because the effect you're going for benefits from the greater compression but I still find the colour and contrast nicer on the 28-70. Really interesting. Nice comparison.
These were quick edits so it’s hard to say exactly but all valid points! It’s definitely a personal preference! The 28-70 does look great!
Sorry, not agreed. 28/70 bokeh looks a bit busy here, not good enough. The excessive background obliteration you mention tends to come in at focal lenghts from 100 up, 85 is still ok (though it depends by your distance from the subject also). Note: I am not an 85mm lover. As for the author of the video: these pics are not enough to judge.
I’m
So happy I already have a 24-70. A 100mm macro. And a 70-200. Also have a 85 1.5 and a 105 1.4. Stil getting the 35 1.4 and 50 1.4
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Omg. Didn’t realize the canon RF 28-70 is 2.0. How cool is that
I appreciate the comparison, but if you don't mind me asking, why are all your shots slightly overexposed in the highlights? I also noticed the same in another video comparison you made.
I love the 85 for outdoor portraits. Definitely a big difference.
Yes! I’m honestly surprised how different it was!
I love my 85mm also. It's my absolute favorite lens. Magical results.
Haha magical seems like the only appropriate word!!
It's great to hear the perspective from a wedding photographer. I'm on the opposite spectrum as a architectural/real estate photographer so my line up is different for my R6 and EOS R. My must have and use every single day lens is the 15-35 RF, then the 24-70 RF. Your video has brought up questions though on my next RF. I was leaning towards the 70-200 F4 RF for tighter shots ( I don't need super shallow depth), but now I see the 85mm I wonder if I could put that to use. BTW...subscribed to your channel a while back. Keep up the good work!
Makes total sense! Thanks for subscribing!!
Excellent review as always !!, Even if ur not making money and like photography as hobby. Investing in good glass is always better than buying lenses with cheap optics.. remember lenses will hold value and serve you for looooong time.. get a body like R6 or m2.. and invest in pro glass
I was just having the same thoughts today. I have the 85 mm 1.2 and have a real hunger for the 28-70, so I got to thinking…85 goes for the 28-70 and my 100mm macro and 70-200 step in. But, like you, I have a real soft spot for the 85mm 1.2. I used to shoot Nikon and loved the 85 1.4 and missed that lens so much. So yes, agree with you, the 85 is a keeper! Great work, cheers!
Glad we agree David!
@@KatelynJames They say great minds think alike! Liked and subscribed!
Hello Katelyn. I love your content and have benefited a great deal from watching it. I do have a question. I just bought my first Canon r6 mirriorless camera. I own a 28-70mm ef 4.0. L series and a 85mm ef (non "L" series). Would you recommend I upgrade to the 28-70mm rf or 85 rf? Your imput is of great value to me. Thanks!
Awesome video as you helped aid my understanding of both lenses. Your delivery of the content is wonderful and very engaging for the viewer. New subscriber!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! loved it!!!! what filter do you use for the 28-70mm 95mm filter thread? THANK YOU!!!
I am soon getting my first mirrorless (Nikon Z9). I am discovering that the new lenses built for mirrorless communicate with the camera in ways the old lenses do not. I know the sensor image stabilization works much better with the new lenses (5 stops versus 2.5 stops). I suspect the autofocus is also better. On the other hand some of the old lenses plus the adaptor will work better on the mirrorless than they did on my DSLR.
Yes all my old EF lenses are much better on the mirrorless system with an adapter! The RF ones are slightly faster/sharper but I was super impressed with the performance of the adapter too!
I want the 85mm and I have the 28-70. I saw it went on sale today for $2599 and I feel like its a sign. I've just invested so much on myself that I'm excited but nervous. Nervous because I feel I can do more with the money and excited because I'm seeing my quality of work improving. Sometimes a mentor would be nice to have
Curious to know what canon camera were you shooting with? I have a R6 Mark II
R6
I have the Nikon 105mm F2DC; and it remains one of my favorite portrait lenses... prime short tele's give great portraits.
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I often use my 28-70mm f/2.8 as a backup for my following prime lenses:
28mm f/2
35mm f/1.4
50mm f/1.4
85mm f/1.4
I could never sell my primes in order to use only the zoom.
Having owned and used the Canon FD (manual focus) 85mm f1.2 since the late 1980's, there is no reasonable replacement for what this lens does at f1.2. That same manual focus FD lens is easily adapted to being used on the Canon R with a very low cost adapter. While 70mm at f2.0 is very useful and all, the 85mm at f1.2 offers a unique and rather special look to the images it can produce. Key to this is lighting, lens/camera to subject distance combined with distance between subject to background/foreground. The Canon 85mm f1.2 IS one of the very best lenses of this type ever made. It is part of the legendary Canon K35 series introduced to 35mm cinema, used by Stanley Kubrick and a long list of others (including the film Alien) that created remarkable cinema using them.
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Thanks for the review. What do you think about the DS version vs. the regular RF 85 1.2L. What is your opinion? Thanhs!
I held off getting the 85mm for a while. Now it is my favorite. Glad you did this!! Long live the 85mm!!
Haha yes! I’m so relieved I can still say the 85mm is my favorite 😆
Well I don't know about 50k but I subscribe to help You get to 100K. I have the 15-35mm, 24-105mm f/2.8's and have the 1.8 primes and wondering if I really need to get the 85mm f/1.2 and the 28-70mm f/2. Cheers!
Very Helpful! These are the 2 I'm deciding between and this video definitely gave me clarity.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!!
Great to see the comparisons, I was hoping the 28-70 was a Prime replacement... seems not!!
Hi! Can I ask you how often do you switch from the 28-70 to your 85 during a wedding day? And also, when do you switch to the 85? Which parts of a wedding day :) I just bought the 28-70 and hopefully I will like it, never shot with a zoom lens bedore
I have shot a full wedding with the 28-70! I pull our the 85 mainly during portraits.
Great content, Katelyn! I love the idea of not wearing two camera bodies on a wedding day since the 28-70 can replace some of the primes I alternate at 2.0. I totally agree with the 85 too. She'll be a round for a while.
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Dang! Thank you for this video!!! I was going to buy one or the other. I really want the 85 but I feel the 28-70 would have more use. Now seeing that I can’t not buy the 85mm
I think he would love to 28-70!
Ah Katelyn, what a darling you are. I love your videos. You explain so wonderfully every detail. Thank you. I am a beginner in photography and am about to purchase my first mirrorless camera. I wanted the R5 but after I watched your R6 review i decided to get the r6 with rf 28-70mm f2L. But after this video I am not sure which lens to get first? I would very much appreciate your advise. What would you recommend? Thanks you x x
Haha well thank you! I’d still get the 28-70 first, hands down! You can’t beat the versatility!
Of course there is a huge difference in the separation of subject and background in your samples. You mentioned all images were shot as 2.0. And did you walk further away from your subject shooting the 85 to match the effective mm of the 70mm? Comparing both images side-by-side(6:55), look at the trees on either side of your subject. They appear further apart, so it looks like you didn't walk further back to equal the focal lengths. It is pure geometry. If you take 2 lenses, a $100. lens and a $1,000. lens, true 70mm and 2.0, would equal the same effect. Period! But the sample images from the 85 are too bright. Keep in mind, as a wedding photographer, you are shooting images for your customers. How many of them could tell a difference?
When you are photographing your family (quick everyday shots for your family yearbook), do you use the 28-70 or the 85?
If you want the perspective provided by the 85mm at the increased distance you shoot the 85mm, my recommendation would be to select the ideal distance first, and then adjust the zoom to accommodate the distance. If the distance is too great for the lens to fill the frame at 70mm zoom (eg. the distance you use for the 85mm), simply shoot loosely framed and crop into the the imsage to create the desired framing in post. If your final image is at least 12MP, you will not run into any issues even if a client wants a 4' x 6' wall print. For portraits, high resolution is not necessary unless you are shooting images for dermatological study.
In order to accentiuate the bokeh and enhance the subject separation (and obtain the bokeh characteristic of faster and longer focal length lenses), in post simply mask the subject and add blur and a touch of grain to the backround and you will have more control over your background than you ever had using the 85/1.2. So feel free to dump the 85/1.2
One of the biggest issues with prime lenses is that photographers often feel compelled to select a subject-lens distance that will fill the frame with a given lens. Instead, in order to flatter the subject, the subject-lens distance should be choosen to be ideal for your subject's proportions and face shape, and then the appropriate focal length (magnification factor) is chosen. With a 28-70 f/2 you will find that in mopst casses you will be able to accommodate the ideal subject-lens distance. And again, in cases when this zoom runs out of focal length, crop in post.
Ok, ok, I am not a professional photographer. I'm a professional Grandpa who photographs his family. So in no way am I comparing my work to yours and probably most if not all your subscribers. However, I have a point of view to share. I love dreamy creamy bokeh. The EF 135 2.0 is the dreamiest, ooh, ooh. But with that big heavy rascal you have to shoot from the next county to frame some shots. I exaggerate, a little. I have always preferred primes in order to get the desired separation effect. Then I stretched the budget when I found the RF 24-70mm 2.8 at $500 off. It is so sharp! It focuses so fast! It's heavy. It only goes to 70mm...Unless you shoot at 1.6 crop. I know in your professional circles that's probably verboten but not for me...at all. And even on my Canon RP the circles of confusion are manageable. My point is, when comparing an 85mm to a 70mm the change in difference to the subject should be considered in light of compression and DOF. My conjecture is that if you shot at 70mm at the distance required for the 85mm to similarly frame the subject you would find similarly pleasing bokeh when you afterwards enlarge the image to mimic the 85mm framing. I bet that the quality would be acceptable on a 45MP sensor. I predict bokeh based on hyperfocal distance. I use an app to calculate it. For instance on an RP, an 85mm at 1.4 delivers a hyperfocal distance of 588 feet, the distance beyond which everything is in focus. A 70mm at 1.6 crop is an angle of view similar to a 112mm lens. A 112mm lens on the RP's 26MP delivers a hyperfocal distance of 510 feet, in the ballpark of the 85's 588 feet. When enlarged, the very small circles of confusion remain in tolerable size to appear as focused but the bokeh balls from the larger circles of confusion render exponentially, bigger, softer, dreamier backgrounds...hobbyists are the only people who have time to prove me wrong, LOL!
Thank you! I needed this. I need to spend some money at the end of the year so I've rented the 24-70 twice but just did not love it either time. Sticking with my prime babies EF 35 and EF 85mm.
Those will be great I’m sure!
Images from the 28-70 2.0 are amazing! But i have my old 24-70 2.8, and I feel like I can't do without the 24mm end of my lens. And there's the price issue to consider, too. But I have been thinking about purchasing the 28-70R lens, because it is an R lens (no more adapter) and because of the images it renders.
Makes total sense!
I currently have a 24-70 RF 2.8, I am debating on trading it in for this lens. I am an event photographer, and occassionally shoot large groups as well. Thanks in advance.
Thanks for that KJ! I am a strict prime shooter (like you used to be lol) but (1) Sony doesn't offer a 2.0 zoom and (2) I'm sorry but a 24-70 f2.8 (or f2 for that matter) can render like my 24mm f1.4, 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.4 or 135 f1.8 Sony G Master primes. Also the Sony gives the ability to switch between full frame and aps-c modes by repurposing the focus hold button on the lens.
That’s cool! I almost always shoot my primes between 1.8 and 2.5 so the 28-70 works great for me! But if you love shooting wide open, you can’t beat primes!
Stick with your primes, they will make to a better photographer in the end.
It wasn't until over halfway through the video (9:26) that I realized both lenses were shot at f/2.0 for the test shots. At first I thought the 85mm images were shot at f/1.2.
I just picked up the RF 85mm f/1.2L and love it. Still love the RF50mm f/1.2L, even though I have the RF 28-70mm f/2L. I use extension tubes if I need macro.
I know, it's hard to believe!
I would get RF 24-70 with IS. and spend the extra with Rf 85 f1.8 or save the money to get 70-200 even f2.8 or f4. To me 28-70 focal lenght is a kind of weird.
Thanks for watching!
if budget is restricted for now would it work a RF 50 1.8 + RF 85 2.0 macro IS + RF 35 1.8 IS? Due to not that high glass quality the 1.8s would be used at 2.0. The 85 would be used at 2.0 since it's a macro, macro lenses tend to be just a tad more sharp, but also a bit slower to focus. Used to use the 24-70 2.8 and the 70-200 2.8 but they were too heavy to carry for a 18 hours wedding day